Clarence doesn't have the stats he does because of superhuman

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>>42790463
>clarence0
>not a genetic freak

how are you enjoying starting strength so far?

>but rather from flexibility and proper form

yeah. the admitted steroid use is probably not a factor at all.

>>42790463
Clarence has great genes and is on gear, you dumb fuck.

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>>42790536
>>42790525
>>42790483

For comparison you can see juji on the left here, has decent lifts but again lacking that lower back mass because of lowbar squats and deadlifting for ego reasons. I'm not saying clarence has bad genes and I'll believe he roids, that still doesn't account for a fucking 750 pull you mongol retards. I could roid and dreamer bulk for 20 years I wouldn't pull 750 as athletically as him. Is /fit/ just a containment board or what? I'm asking some reasonable shit here.

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>>42790717
>genetics and steroids don't account for a 750 pull

yes they do

you deadlift 405, which by my estimation should take the average person anywhere from 6 months to 1 year to accomplish, so let's assume you have approximately 1 year of lifting under your belt

who the fuck are you, with your 1 year of experience, to talk about the role genetics and steroids play in lifting? you're probably a beginner or early intermediate still, so you take your current rate of progression and extrapolate it into the future and speak with authority on shit you really know nothing about

saged

>>42790767

Tbh it just sounds like you blame your shit lifts on your genes and natty status. I am going for 600, that's going to require a lot of assistance and advanced technical understanding. At least I'm trying to better myself. You're mad gay dude.

>>42790717
I see what you are saying. Now im curious. One exercise that jumped to my mind are good mornings. Preferably done like ala sasha nievas?

the fucker was backsquatting 170kg as a kid and snatching 100kg few months after lifting

fuck off
inb4
>lol u dont squat 300kg after 2 weeks ss?

>>42790817

That's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for and wouldn't have thought of.

>>42790839

You're not making a point. Yes he's fucking strong as hell, trying to figure out why.

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>>42790880
because of GENETICS, STEROIDS, and a lifetime of TRAINING, stop looking for the fucking magic bullet to being like clarence0, it's not out there

you were either born with the potential to get those types of lifts, or you weren't, it's that simple

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/genetics-and-strength-training-just-different/

just train hard and eat right and don't worry about shit you can't really control anyway, what will be will be

>>42790463
OLYMPIC MOVEMENTS YOU DUMB PRICK. Overhead squats, cleans and snatches. Stop with the high/low bar excuse. There's only one way a barbell can sit on your back comfortably, and that's the 'shelf' where the traps and rhomboids meet. (Pic related).
I know for a fact you have never attempted to overhead squat a barbell in your life, because you know within the first three reps that it's extremely demanding of your lower back. DYEL, seriously.

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>>42790933
Lu Xiaojun

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>Someone who's trained since they were 15 and is now like 30 can Deadlift a shitload
>Someone who's squatted every day with flawless form can squat a shitload
>Someone who's lifted for over a decade looks amazing and has incredible muscle and strength development
>"Uhh it's genetics. It's steroids. I could totally do all that shit if I had his genetics."
Fit people are worse than fatties. In fact I guess the two are synonymous anyway.
>inb4 "Lol lifting for strength is gay anyway I lift for AESTHETICS" comes along

>>42790983
t. DYEL

>>42791005
Benching 300lbs isn't impressive when you weight twice that, fatty

>>42791027
t. DYEL

>>42790463
You're a fucking idiot Clarence squatted TRIPLE his body weight (270kg) at 18 years old, how retarded do you have to be to claim he's not a genetic freak

>>42791063
270kg squat is fucking easy to hit after 3-4 years training.
Genetics are a fucking meme, dude. Yes they account for some things (face), but unless you have some serious disabilities and train well then most people can hit 270kg within 3-4 years of lifting. ESPECIALLY when you focus on that lift, which Clarence did.

>>42790933
love this post desu

>>42791134
Please be bait
Please be bait
Please be bait

>>42790983
He has ADMITTED to using gear, fucktard.

>>42791183
no he hasn't

>>42790925

In light of this it makes competitions seem like a farce if genetics can skew things so powerfully. What's the value in comparing who happened to born to the better pair of parents?

OP:
>'I sure would like some hypertrophy on my lower back'

/fit/
>YOU'LL NEVER GET THOSE NUMBERS!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wew. Got me thinking none of you even train, rather are just armchair coaches. Where are your heads at? Thanks for the good posts but most of this shit is pathetic, yall.

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>>42791310

>this much disembodied rationality

SORT

Wait a second, how do highbar squats build your lower back better than deadlifts?

I don't care about numbers or how wrong I am. I only want a lower back like Clarence now. Explain to me like a child the best way to accomplish this, and why deadlifts/lowbar squats won't do this but (someone said) good mornings will.

Seems to be a lot of conflicting information here. Help

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>>42790767
>pulling 4pl8 in 6 months

WEIGHTED HYPEREXTENSIONS

>>42790880
People have told you why you fucking retard. Steroids and amazing genetics, it's not difficult for anyone with an iq over 50 to understand.

>>42791438

Well in a traditional good morning your hips go back and it's the glutes that are going to bring you back up to some extent. This girl Sasha Nievas does them sitting down with her legs in a V so only the back gets worked.

>>42791822

post body

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>>42790463

>>42791676
Maybe try harder at next life.

>>42790933
>I know for a fact you have never attempted to overhead squat a barbell in your life
Yeah I'm not some gymcel I lift to stay in shape and fuck hot girls. No need for meme lifts to blow out my back/shoulders

>>42791900
link to video?

Clarence has elite genetics for his sport and has been using gear for a while. You shouldn't take anyone seriously who denies this. Very few people get to that level regardless of their training or diet.

>>42791900
Everything about this guy points to steroids

>>42791676
4pl8 is not at all impressive unless you started from literally auchwitz you fucking dyel faggot

I think the deterministic attitudes of the fitness community is toxic. It's like if anyone makes it they MUST have roided. Maybe you need to stop making excuses.

>>42791134
>after 3-4 years training
lmao weak bitch 270kg squat should take average <1 year good training.

>>42791900
what is this
are they officially camwhoring for wealthy gay viewers now?

>>42791952

You're not OP. I am OP and I've done overhead squats before. What's all this about dude? Stealing my thunder right now. I can't take it.

>>42791134
go to bed frog

>>42791988
>Elite genetics
Not really. Have you SEEN him when he first started out? Fucking stick. I don't know about the roids though.

>>42792095
HE WAS A BABBY
LITERALLY LESS THAN 12LBS
COULDN'T EVEN CHEW FOOD
AND THEN HE STARTED PUTTING ON WEIGHT
EVEN HIS ORGANS GREW GUYS
MUST HAVE BEEN STEROIDS

just drop it at this point. he has a high possibility of being natty

>>42792111
Hows your first year lifting going friend?

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>>42792111
>lifts as much as olympic weightlifters
>natty

>>42792191
olympic weightlifters have to be natty. MOST of the ones who are using banned substances are caught eventually.
inb4 "oh, they just make new drugs they can't test for"
That's just idiotic to think that the olympic community is letting anyone slide, as they have no money to be made off of selling tickets to games

>>42791988

I hear you man, doesn't mean I can't learn something and get somewhere.

>>42791134
>270 kg squat
I don't think you quite understand how heavy that is, and how fucking clean his lift was.

>>42792243
I guess you didn't watch the Icarus documentary. When something is that important, people will find a way to cheat.

>>42791310
In light of this it makes life seem like a farce if genetics can skew things so powerfully. What's the value in living when people who happened to born to the better pair of parents life a much better life?

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>>42791900
>>42790463
wtf clarence looks fucking huge right there

>>42792337
>documentary
Good source of information. Try again friend.

>>42792368

Personal satisfaction. Same with lifting. But competition is strange cause then you start comparing and you have to ask what specifically is it that you are comparing? Its certainly not the competitor's efforts since some will simply get better results for the same effort put in.

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>>42792243
>olympic weightlifters have to be natty.

get a load of this fucking idiot.

>>42792243
>olympic weightlifters have to be natty
just stop posting you utter moron

>>42791900
damn clarence looks fuckin awesome

>>42792111
if you are saying clarence is natty i am not trying to downplay how talented and athletic he is and how much work he has put in, but its quite easy to spot obvious roid use. really big traps and capped delts are a dead give away, as well is the way his skin looks, that natural slight tan hue even on a pasty guy.

for some reason high enough steroid doses of even just testosterone give that look, once you take something like masteron or even EQ its obvious when you get that slight perma tan, i think it is from increased RBC. high DHT compounds do this the most.

>>42792337
>reward
Oh yea, those lucrative olympic contracts. Just kys.
>>42792486
>>42792554
You don't, but they are the least paid and the most tested athletes in the world.

>>42792368

>reigning in hell

shiggy diggy

>>42792592

>muh flouride pallor

>>42792337
the documentary where the main guy takes testosterone oil subq in his leg and gets nasty bumps and bleeds everywhere and nobody really knows what the fuck they are doing and the supposed pro doping guy just gives basic advice about how to time drug dosage so the ester clears out that any novice steroid user figures out early on

just like most netflix normie bullshit, it was a stupid doc made for retarded masses, did nothing to educate people, full of retards

>>42791134
>270kg squat is fucking easy to hit after 3-4 years training
t. someone that can't even put up half that and thinks strength progress is 5-ever linear

>>42792095
>elite genetics mean you're swole like a bodybuilder and not that you're fucking explosive and excel at e.g. sprinting like clarence did
lol

>>42790983
You're retarded if you think a 180kg snatch is achievable by everyone

>>42791063
Kg not pounds

>>42792095
Yes, I have seen him when he first started out, 100kg clean as a teenage stick with awful form

>>42792607
Yeah they certainly never get busted for doping either, which pretty much confirms it, if they were on drugs olympic athletes would get caught

>>42792919
The vast majority of ones who dope get caught.

>>42792931
NO FUCKING SHIT NIGGER IT'S ALMOST LIKE LOADS OF ELITE ATHLETES ARE USING PEDS

>>42792095
>Not really. Have you SEEN him when he first started out?
How is this relevant? Do you realize you've probably walked dyels in the street who have the genetic potential to be elite athletes?

>>42792931
the vast majority of olympic athletes doesn't get caught. Look up retrospective reports, i think few years ago was especially damning on some anonymous basis
you are really bluepilled about competitive sports man

Youtube fitness humour is the worst. All of these Clarence in the US and Canada videos are so cringe. 'lol were acting all faggy but not actually gay LOL'

>>42790812
>deadlift
>advanced technical understanding

Are you retarded or have you just never played an actual sport?

>>42792986
>acting all faggy
honestly if you see a couple of guys doing normal things and you immediately think they are acting faggy then you've probably got some issues with your own sexuality

>>42791893
I fucking love this

>get overwhelmingly destroyed by unanimous replies
>"post body"

>>42790463
>Clarence doesn't have the stats he does because of superhuman freak genetics. >Look at the sheer amount of mass he has on his lower back

His genetics are probably the exact reason his lumbar is so beefy. Even for someone who roids, that's abnormal.

>>42793065
fag

>>42792950
This amount of dissonance. Your arguement is only valid if a subjective number ("LOADS") of Olympic athletes (the scope of this argument) are caught using PEDs (even though my argument was solely concerning steroids.)
But I don't expect you to know this, or anything based on the construction of your reply.

>>42793101
doesn't bug me desu
you seem to be a bit upset about being called a faggot for some reason tho

>>42791676
At least someone is sane. /fit/ is showing how DYEL it really is when they say shit like this

>>42792857
this, just started oly lifting, shit is heavy af

>>42793103
m8 if you actually followed weightlifting then you'd know how many athletes get caught, just look at the recent controversy around retested samples

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Why is there no link to the video yet

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>>42790463
>>42790717
it erectoring

>>42790463
If you want a great lower back:

Rackpulls and/or hyper extensions.

>>42793168

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBxqjF-c7jw

>>42793168
google clarence and juji you fucking normalfaggot

Clarence has the personality of a wet sock.

Also the dude tracks his fucking micros and shit. Considering that Olympic lifting is his life it's not surprising he puts up good numbers.

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>>42793170
who /strivingforturtleshell/ here

>>42793075

... post body

>>42793193
Clarence just wants to lift heavy weight but every time he squats people surround him and say
>omg! you just squatted my dl
>omg! you're so strong!
>OMG IT'S CLARENCE
leave clarence alone

>>42793170
>>42793207
lmao

>>42793193
clarence doesn't mean to entertain people liek some faggy fitness celeb, he just lifts weights and lets people masturbate to the vids he uploads

>>42793226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QcowEyYA8I
tian taos erectors are amazing, dude has a cameltoe on his back

>>42793132
>>42792857
these

>>42790463
I would say high reps
at least in my experience, if I train to failure and high weights, i get the good old peak muscle mass, but training low weight and a massive number of reps is what fills the voids, giving me a massive pump

Clarence is looking more and more jacked but his lifts are more and more static

really makes you think

>>42793884

I think that he has lost some confidence after a few injuries. It may be a mental hurdle to overcome.

>>42791185
Yes he has

>>42793103
Anon what if I told you that the Russian government had a state sponsored doping scheme where they more or less made sure that all of their athletes could dope and not get caught for awhile.
Then what if I told you that the Russians did not in fact dominate, but merely did well and there were people from other countries matching or beating them.
How do you account for that? What factor do you have in mind that allows natty non russian athletes to match juiced russians? Why aren't the russians dominating like the soviets did in the 50s when they legitimately were the only ones juicing (before dbol was invented and the good old USA started another arms race, and long before the parasitic organization which WADA is was created).

>>42793193
what kind of loser what put time and energy into excelling at something they enjoy? hahahaha fucking loser

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>>42793127
To hit 4pl8 in 6mo you either need to be fat or actually have a proper routine and diet to get you there.

For most people they'll waste like 2 years at least doing meme exercises and dieting like shit.

For an actual skelly to pull 4pl8 in 6mo would require them to toss on an average of 12lbs per week since they'd most likely start around lmao1pl8. It's doable but you'd need a good routine, form, diet, and discipline to follow them which are all things new lifters don't usually have.

It's a combination of genes (levers, anthropometry, musculoskeletal/cns advantage) + training experieince and quality (like you mentioned, flawless technique, ROM, control) + some steroids to take his ice the cake and make him that much more potent

>>42793207
what the fuck...

>>42792243
If actual olympic lifters were natty you'd have people on gear competing in non-tested weightlifting beating olympic records constantly.

>>42793207
I need this. Tell me how

>>42792095
>fucking stick

Sure anon. EVERYONE with elite athletic potential harnesses it to it's fullest...

>>42794159
people with an athletic background can pull 2-4pl8 first day

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>>42794265
>people on /fit/
>athletic backgrounds

>>42794074
Hey look everyone, it's Dale Gribble.
What if I told you they eventually got caught? Almost like you were guaranteed to test positive for the entire autism spectrum even though you tried so hard to hide it.

>>42794199
No, you wouldn't. Steroids don't solve everything. Just stop.

>>42790463
Clarence has well developed erectors and the muscle your talking about is the thoraculmbar fascia.

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>>42794265
>fuck learning good form
>lemme just load up double my bodyweight on this bar
>oh dang I'm in the hospital
>my back is broke

>>42791676
I pulled it as a skinny 190lb 6'3" 16 year old, ~6 months into starting strength starting from sedentary - if I had an athletic background of any kind or were more genetically gifted, it would not have been an issue to do it in less (which many people with an athletic or manual labor background, or just great genetics, do regularly)
>>42791909
>>42792040
this, 4pl8 is really not that big of a deal
>>42793127
you're the DYEL if you think 4pl8 deadlift in 6 months is that unbelievable
>>42794159
I just did SS and added 10lbs a session starting from 135x5 and then when I 365x5 I maxed out and hit 405

>>42795232
>Steroids literally allow ANY person to SURPASS what is naturally possible, strength, muscle mass and speed wise. Performance wise regarding any sport.

not true, you could take all the gear in the world and unless you have some unbelievable genetics for response to steroids natty Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman would still smoke you

all the steroids in the world won't close the gap if you're average and the other guy has outlier genetics

>>42795274
I don't think either dorian or ronnie have ever been natty bruh.

And you are litterally not saying he's wrong. You're just saying "Yeah but you're not going to be better then the genetic anomolies so you're wrong".

>>42795320
i'm saying the natural capabilities of someone like Yates or Coleman are beyond what a pencil necked geek like you or >>42795316 can achieve even on gear

>>42795342
>>42795352
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/steroids-for-strength-sports/

you had to learn one day

a guy with apex strength genetics like a John Haack or Ben Pollack would eat your lunch if they were clean and you could take whatever you wanted, that's just the way it is

for further shaming, go to /plg/ and watch a 188lb 18 year old with 3 years training squatting 585 - a weight most of those in /plg/ who have done steroids have not managed to do at much higher bodyweights

>>42794265

This is pretty accurate. When I was 17/18 (188cm, 90kg) I first stepped into the gym with no more experience than a few pullups, carrying shopping bags and a lot of jacking off. I could lock out 140KG/3pl8 1RM non-sumo but with probably horrible form. My first 1RM squat later than day was much lower at 90kg, but I think that was more a technique thing.

If I had better genes, were into sports beforehand and/or weighed another 10-20kg at the time I can see 180KG/4pl8 being absolutely doable from DYEL (but with decent natural muscle mass).

>>42791310
Have u never heard of talent? Hard work will get you along fine, but just because u train as hard as Usain bolt doesn't mean you'll be Usain bolt

>>42795446
But it will put you further then basically everyone else who's not training like usain bolt

>>42795352
genetics are flat out more important, if it werent there would be no ipf lifters setting all time records or ranked in the top 5-10 in the world, but there are

gear wont get you 300/220/320 at 83 unless its already meant to be

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>>42792243

>>42791134
>270kg squat is fucking easy to hit after 3-4 years training.
dumb frogposter

>>42792243
yeah those olympic people are trustworthy and noble
lmao

>>42795474
Yeah totally

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Clarence has a background in gymnastics, specifically tricking.

This isn't uncommon at all with Olympic weightlifters,(pic related). In many competitions/training, you will see many of them doing flips,kicks, kip ups, etc. This kind of mobility is essential for the sport.

Before he even started lifting, he already had a background in gymnastics, (which makes you fucking jacked) of course hes gonna be strong.

Am I saying that he has 'average genetics?' No
Am I saying that hes natural absolutely not.

TLDR: A background in gymnastics will IMMENSELY help with weightlifting
oh, and short limbs

>>42795446

Would be more apt to say just because you train like Yohan Blake doesn't mean you'll be Usain Bolt.

Does Pete Rubish use fake weights? Why is his strength:weight so retarded after such a short time?

>>42797699

lmao 10pl8 at 225lbs seems legit

>>42797710

245lbs* still fishy

>>42797699
>>42797710

He pulled 870 in competition last year so I'd say that his numbers are legit. If you're looking for reasons to tear him down to make yourself feel better I'd suggest bitching about how he's cheating with PEDs.

>>42792561
This..

Everyone in here already said this, but OP is too dumb to comprehend - every single motherfucking olympic weightlifter (olympic in a meaning they actually go to olympic games) has top tier genetics and is/was roiding. To all those dumbfucks, who say that Clarence was a stick when he was younger - look at Szymon Kołecki and Dadash Dadashbayli, they have even better genetics than Clarence. That's the difference, Szymon has olympic gold and silver medals, has won european championships 7 times and still has world record in clean&jerk after setting it 17 years ago in Sofia (WHEN HE WAS FUCKING 18). How delusional you have to be to think you can get on this level without best genes and best roids?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFhQmGfuZpY

>Juji disappears for 10 months.
>goes from ottermode to jacked.
>invites a visit for Olympic lifter who has no qualms about anabolic steroids.
What's the point in asking questions anymore.

>>42798045
Clarence might've got a medal if he had a country that supported him behind him
I'm guessing the Irish not being willing to help him pass test etc is the real reason why he's not competing

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>>42798187
This. Don't understand how this is even debatable.

>>42798207
Maybe, maybe not. I have been watching <94kgs for a long time and I am quite sure Clarence knows that he is past his prime, it is already too late for him to win at the olympics. Unless he is extremely lucky and every top athlete in this category gets banned prior to olympic games (Adrian Zieliński will probably be back before Tokyo2020). I would love to see Clarence go there and win, but I don't think it is ever happening.

>>42798314
Clarence is 22/23?

>>42798362
He was born in 1993 and in one of his videos with (I believe) Omar Isuf, he claimed that he will do oly lifting for like 2 more years, because he is already too old and then he will turn to powerlifting.

>>42798404
but everyone at the olympics is like 26-30. Roids increase longevity a lot

>>42798423
Moradi was 28 when he won gold, Mohammadpour was 19, Ilin was 20 when he won his first gold, Dobrev was 24 (and now he is dead because of roids), Kakiashvili was 23 when he won his first gold. Maybe roids increase longevity, but if you don't reach apex of your performance before you are 25, then you are done, only luck can give Clarence his gold medal. Also - him being Irish won't help as weightlifting had been always dominated (especially in heavy categories) by Eastern Europe and Iran.

>>42798504
hell no ∫being irish hurts bad. I can't think of single notable irish weightlifter. Clarence is possibly the best lifter Ireland ever produced. Ireland also runs it's olympic program mostly clean which is a huge disadvantage for WL especially

>>42794218
BB back extensions for starters

>>42798045
dadash the goat!

>>42790717
>I could roid and dreamer bulk for 20 years I wouldn't pull 750 as athletically as him
that's because you don't have freak genetics

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>42792707
the "supposed pro doping guy" is the one that came up with the method for testing for anavar

>>42798207
then maybe he should move to some shithole that will let him roid for the olympics. happens all the time in oly lifting

>>42801245
Victor Conte?

>>42790463
>what are roids

>>42795251
And how long did it take you to hit 225 on bench? Have you even done that yet? 3 plate squat? 1pl8 OHP?
I've seen scrawnboys pulling over 315 while benching less than 135 and squatting just over 135. It's leverages that matter the most in which lifts you're best at

>>42797791

Aren't all """"""""elite"""""""" lifters on PEDs?

>>42791900
How is clarence so cold compared to the others?
He's fucking irish.

>>42802879
fat keep you warm

>>42802603
We're you watching me?

>>42802879
they do it a lot, clarence never did it before

>>42795339
How the FUCK would you know their natural capabilities? Jesus christ you people are so fucking retarded you do not understand the amount of gear they're on

>>42790933
Look up rhomboids and realise you're a retard that can't into anatomy.

>>42790717
hey this guy makes a good point, take it seriously. Olympic lifters have insane lower backs and turtle backs like in >>42793170
The guy is asking what exercises develop this

>>42802970

He did it the night before in the Q&A and frequently takes cold showers (or used to). His autism may have played a role in how it affected him whilst around other people.

>>42792418
his muscles are trying to save him from the cold.

>>42802941
I may have been bb, you were looking really cute. Good job on 315 too, a strong diddle will be a strong diddle regardless of leverages