/sss/ Starting Social Skills

Recently got a job as a cashier. Used ashwaganda the first few days to loosen me up. The store is very serious about customer service. Ever since grand opening ive been talking to roughly 1-200 people a day at least. After a week ive talked to more people in a week than my entire life. I can strike up a conversation with almost anyone that isnt an asshole now. The pay is shit but it really forced me out of my shell.

>>42756211
>Ashwaganda

What is this meme

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Reminder that if you're socially retarded you should read this immediately

>>42756237

Helps with stress and anxiety. I take 25-50mg just to take the edge off of shit and not use it as a crutch. I had used it at 500/750mg for about 8 months and it just felt too good. Lost a job didnt care, car got hit and brushed it off, etc. Felt like it was making me too relaxed I wasnt the same person.

>>42756255

Can confirm this also works. Specificly the part that mentions saying peoples names when you talk to them. First three days i knew everybody's name and it made a big dif especially with my managers. Worth reading 9/10 also an easy read you could finish it in a day.

>>42756330
Does this work for casual conversation, not just a business setting?

>>42756141
Being a normie wageslave for one and a half years again really made this trivial as heck. Even enjoyable you know. I am now feeling this area in which I once looked at those videos of those guys approaching women in public, and first was perplexed what kind of mindset is needed for that. But now I can see the combination of the many mental disciplines on the horizon.

Its unironically mostly of that chart of "successful person vs unsuccessful person" in which those thoughts are fostered.

>>42756255
this book is bullshit, it tells you what you already know, but you just put it in practice because the book told you to

Best things I've found to help with socializing ASIDE FROM the obvious "just do it":
>Sleep hygiene is utmost, a month of good sleep can change your life if you aren't doing it
>Don't overdo the caffeine
>Talk from where feelings are; in other words if you understand how you personally feel about things and prioritize your own feelings without being selfish, you will develop a clearer view of the social dynamic
>Obviously dress well, wear a good scent, etc
>Take care of your life: if you aren't on track to achieve something in your life (not talking about squat PRs here, I'm talking career) you will not meet the right kind of people. Aimlessness destroys your self worth, and self worth is what attracts people to you

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>>42756367
and with that chart I mean this, one needs to subconsciously remember this chart and live by its code. Its what helped me foster more advanced (sorry not starting social) skills. Though it probably works well throughout the social learning process.

Its just that the skill of being able to place yourself into another person is quite important. Emulating other people, their capacities, and their various strengths and weaknesses, thought patterns in your brain and then acting in such a way that your influence is positive on them is a good basis.

The many variables one has to remember are things like "are they in stress?", "how is their sleep", "what are their habits", "what is their fitness level". "what is their race", "what is their estimated IQ range" "what is their cultural view"

Based on these many variables one automatically, in your brain makes a way for you to deal with them. It also helps if you know some statistics and can do crude statistical analysis. And with that I mean on their various disciplines.

There are also psychopaths out there who also make this giant puzzle and then use this insight to act negatively. But if you act positively to neutrally then you will get liked a lot.

>>42756255
>how to become a human doormat

>>42756346
If the relationship can benefit sure. For instance if its someone i dont see often and would appreciate i remember their name ill do it. If its someone i see every other day maybe it depends on how they react. Worst case scenario if you do it and they dont like it you dont do it again. If they dont mind it i do it anyway

>>42756418

Learn to dress yourself seriously. I wear cheaper clothes than most people i work with but get compliments more because my shit fits better. Match your shoulders with the socket of your shirt, matching belt with shoes, etc.

This thread is shilling central.

>>42756292
lol nice meme

>>42756418
>if you aren't on track to achieve something in your life
how do i get something to achieve?

t. accountant that dislikes accounting

>>42758414

Grab a bag of it in bulk for 10 bucks and try it for yourself. If its a meme you lost out on a meal at mcdonalds.

>>42756255
Ive used this, inmediately noticed people like me more.

People that hate are brainlets.

>>42756464
my boss has this in his office and it annoys the fuck out of me that there are several typos
Successful vs succesful, read every day vs read everyday, Give other people credit vs Gives other people credit, takes all of the credit vs Take all the credit.
It's full of typos how the fuck is this circulating MY INNER AUTISM IS TINGLING SO HARD MY TEST IS INCREASING

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>>42756464

What does operating transformationally mean?

Transaction means to always expect stuff back when you put work in, which I understand how thats flawed. What is the good version though

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>>42756141

>>42760830
Seems like a pretty bitter and sociopathic life even if it is filled with sex.

>>42756391
this h

>>42756141
>meet girl on bumble two weeks ago
>date goes pretty well
>meet again on Saturday
>date goes well until we leave the brewery to go to a coffee shop
>I have too much and start to sperg out
>talk a mile a minute about random shit
>reveal personal details I probably shouldn't
>no physical contact on either date apart from a hug
>shows no inclination to kiss at all
>drive home analyzing everything I did wrong
>big party at my parents house this weekend
>extended family and friends are all staying over
>I show up after my date
>my brother's gf brought a friend
>she's hot as fuck
>we are introduced
>I'm venting about my date to my mom who asked about it when the two girls overhear and start giving me advice
To be continued

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>>42756464
Literally all me on the right except for 2 or 3

>>42761140
>we chat for a while
>they tell me to still text her the next day because there's nothing to lose
>not sure I even want to
>brother's gf leaves us
>just me and the hot stranger
>we talk
>we start flirting and drinking
>we continue flirting and drinking
>take shirt off to get in the pool
>brother's gf and girl both say something about me looking "ripped"
>they say I have abs
>I don't, but whatever
>later that night we're making out and grinding in the hot tub
>we go up to my room
More incoming

>>42758215
I love this shit

>>42761197
And then they laughed at you for being a manlet?

>>42758215
no reaction image for this

>>42761197
>I shut the door behind us
>she pulls me close and throws her legs around me while making out
>I pull he bikini top down and start sucking her nips
>there's a knock
>it's my girl cousin who's staying in my room
>she's going to bed
>we go to my brother's room
>lock the door
>I throw her on the bed
>she gives me the look
>I pull her bottoms off
>I eat her pussy for maybe 5 seconds before there's a knock on the door
>brother's gf is going to bed
>this girl is staying with her
>no more sneaking off
>we step outside and get in a couple more kisses
>hand her my phone
>she gives me her number and says to please text her
One more

>>42756418
>>>Talk from where feelings are; in other words if you understand how you personally feel about things and prioritize your own feelings without being selfish, you will develop a clearer view of the social dynamic
What do you mean by this?

>>42760830
So basically to sum it up:
>don't give a fuck what she or others think of you
>be interesting
>be confident
Am I missing anything?

Step 1
Don't look like boogie or in any other way overly undesirable

Step 2
Walk up to person

Step 3
Talk

Wow, look at that, you are socializing.

Dumb niggers who get themselves incarcerated over stealing a sniggers bar once too often have social life's, GFs and get laid. The problem isn't that you "don't know how to" and need to learn something from a book. If anything it is a case of you knowing too much, overthinking the situations with a million and one what-ifs which invariably causes you to just fucking lock up and not even bother with the social interaction to start with.

Too little what ifs lead to poor life choices and eventual snigger stealing. Too many what ifs lead to hesitation and procrastination.

You all already know this though, because your overactive brains already came to that conclusion long before you read anything here. You were simply hoping for a magic trick that would solve it.

Well the only one that I can think of are bigpharma drugs that force you out of your own head if you can't manage to do so on your own. Low dose benzos for instance will make you give so few fucks you'll kiss the girl on the mouth AND walk of the face punch you received from her boyfriend afterwards.

>>42761197
>>we talk
>>we start flirting
How does this transition happen?

>>42761235
>next morning
>we both act cool at breakfast
>brother's gf asks about last night
>I vaguely explain and leave out explicit details
>other girl plays dumb like she was too drunk to remember
>we all hang out all day
>end up cuddling on my bed last night watching netflix
>I ask her about the night before
>she said she remembered everything, but it was a different kind of scenario and that she actually likes me
>asks me if I'll text her
>"why would I do that?"
>I give her a smug grin
>we kiss goodnight and she says "I better see you"
When should I text this girl?

>>42761276
I poked fun at her and occasionally complimented something about her. Also, physical contact. Like when I said "let's go to the pool" and she said "yeah" i grabbed her hand. Little stuff. I'm shit at dating though. I just started dating this month for the first time in 3 years (was fat). I think drinking helped a lot.

>>42761296
A day after lad

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>>42761276
Literally this. Is there a guide I can read somewhere?

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>>42760830
>be confident bro
>fuck sloots and don't care about em
>nah bro I don't even look good im like a 7
>dont be desperate
>have the ability to keep them emotionally on the hook and entertained
>most importantly, just bee yourself

Yeah, this guide will totally work for your run of the mill 4chin autist. I have a friend and while he doesn't browse 4chan (to my knowledge) he's always been a bookworm, very literal guy and has never been assertive. He started reading all sorts of shit on how to be "alpha" with women and other men and it was just cringey watching him excecute it irl. He took some things he read way too literally and he just started acting a prick and embarrassing himself in front of women because his whole modus operandi was to show his "dominance" and be somebody he wasn't at all.

Personally I would say just start with a bit a self confidence and then go talk to people, that's the only way you are ever going to figure it out.

>>42760830

>give her emotional sustenance

what the fuck is this supposed to mean in practice?

>>42761296
Should have texted her immediately there and then. It is playfully stupid and gets rid of the whole "when should I text her" dilemma. Could have texted her something silly and cheesy like "hi (her name), going out to cool place X I know tomorrow and planning on taking this girl I just met with me so all our plans will have to wait". Christ it could be anything really, as long as it isn't autistic shit like >>42758215
She will laugh at the silliness of texting someone in the same room as you, text something silly back and tada you got the ball rolling.

All you niggas overthink this shit, it is no wonder Chad McMeathead and Skelly Tweekerlord pull more than any of you, they simply don't have the intellectual faculties to facilitate any sort of overthinking, so they just simply fucking do whatever it is they feel like is fun.

Take that autistic text I linked to in this post for instance, as idiotically autistic as it is, and as big as a fuck up it is from a dating pov, you still have to be somewhat intelligent to come up with such stupidity from a creative pov and then to word it properly. It is so insanely stupidly creative I barely believe it is real and wouldn't be surprised if it was some ironic shitpost.
Point being, Chad mcfucktits and Skelly methalhead would never fuck up with such colossal stupidity because they couldn't actually come up with such colossal stupidity to start with.

Get
Out
Of
Your
Own
Fucking
Head
!

>>42761276
benzos

>>42761404
Toy with her emotions and pretend you care about her

>>42761296

Sooner than later. Sound interested, just don't write novels about your feelings to her.

>>42761389
Drinking more plastic water bottles for that precious gyno estrogen, Ryan?

>>42756255
Good but use in conjunction with How to Talk to Anyone

>>42756464
>president of the united states
>fits the right side to a tee
i dont know mate this chart is a pretty bullshit indicator for "success"

>>42761314
Thanks man, it's stupid but that sort of stuff helps. What did you compliment her on? Looks, personality?

>>42756255
TERRIBLE ADVICE. Everybody will know you are that one dude that read this book

>>42756141
whats up with pajeet and repeatedly asking or trying to barter after being stonewalled right off the bat? i have seen this irl and on the internet a lot

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to be honest I would rather be a wizard.

>>42761480
Abyssmal social skills caused by being coddled and controlled to shit by their parents their whole life

>>42761410
>>42761257
>>42761413
I agree wholeheartedly, but a way to learn how to get out of your head without drugs or substances would be much better. Much more work probably, but worth it in the end.
It's probably something to do with exposition therapy when socializing.

>>42761480
pajeets just naturally get ignored so they think its normal to repeatedly annoy people until they pay attention

>>42761276
Fuck man where do I even start. Luckily for me this shit just happens and I don't have to think about it but I'll lay it out to the best of my ability.

>body language
Open and confident. Just sit back as if you are relaxed at home. Don't cross legs (you fag) and don't cross your arms, once you feel she is open as well, getting closer or leaning in is important
>teasing/joking
You've got to make her laugh (shell be giggling at things you say if she's interested). Make jokes or slightly tease her for things she says or anything you can gather about her (looks, what shes wearing, whatever she tells you about her) you can mean what you say when you tease her but make sure you do it with a tone of voice that is light, happy, and joking. Don't cross the line into insulting her.

If she wasn't receptive before and still hasn't changed her body language to be more open, or she hasn't already gotten closer/touched you after both of these things it isn't a good sign, but she could just be nervous.

>physical contact
If you've got her giggling/laughing or teasing you back, so far you are probably in and you are pretty much "flirting" at this point. Next you have to break the contact barrier at some point, whether it be by grabbing her hand/arm/shoulder and leading her somewhere, getting close and pointing her towards something you want her to look at or maybe even a playful hit/poke or even a thigh squeeze if she seems like she's being really receptive.

At this point it comes down to finding something to do like the other anon brought her to the pool or trying to close the deal if it's a drinking/gonna take you home tonight scenario. If you can get her to laugh and open up it's not all that much further to seal the deal.

>>42761519
Do all this.

Get friendzoned with the power of a thousand suns. She is more touchy feely with me (and let's me be more touchy feely with her) than the guy she is seemingly/supposedly interested in, that is how fucking comfortable she is with me. I honestly think I went overboard. Now I am trying to reign it in and trying to "fix it" which is stupidly hard considering she doesn't seem to consider it broken.

I've been a very introvert bookworm nerd since I can remember. I compensated my lack of social skills with studying shit that interested me.

Now, it may come as a surprise to most that people in general are not much interested in the history of the left-wing of German social-democracy. For years I was the quiet guy who no one really cared about, maybe a partner for a school essay, but never a partner to parties or after school activities. Never a friend, always the weird acquaintance.

What really helped me:

1) I'm into sports - any of them. This helped me a lot with the other guys. It took a while but in the end, when we got to know each other, we'd talk about football (soccer for you yanks).

Even though I could get along with other guys I have always been a no self-esteem sperglord with women. My mind just goes blank and I go full potato mode, start to overthink simple situations, get all red-faced, a disgrace.

It took me years and countless embarrassing situations to improve. I can even flirt with girls now. Self-confidence and self-awareness are fundamental. I know the "be urself bro" is a meme, but in reality it's true. And by be yourself I do not mean talk about your favourite japanese cartoon or that you spend hours of your life in a Congolese pizza making forum. I mean: be a fucking normie, talk about normie stuff, pop culture, ask people about their life, PEOPLE FUCKING LOVE TALKING ABOUT THEMSELVES and they'll tell you everything as long as you do not look like a basement dweller freak.

It's so wasy to make friends I get so angry at myself for taking so long to realise it. I'm not the life of the party or anything, not even popular, but I can pass as a normie and actually talk to people even if in the inside I'm shaking like a leaf.

tl;dr: it only gets better if you try to make it better. Don't be a weirdo, be normal, don't try too hard. Look good.

>>42761587
Lmao my man you can't get friendzoned if you don't allow yourself to be friendzoned. I can't help it if she doesn't see you as a man and she's a roastie who strings along beta orbiters.

What would you suggest as an alternative? Don't touch her, don't make jokes with her, don't be open and confident? Cold approaches and hey bb wan sum fuk? If you can pull it off more power to you but 95% of guys probably can't.

>>42761379
>>42761410
>>42761423
I'm thinking tomorrow. I wanted to today, but we were pretty much together all day for the last two days. I didn't want to be overbearing (and I need sleep/ to catch up on work).
>>42761453
We (me, her, brother, his gf) were talking about beards. Gf was making fun of my brother for not being able to grow one. I said "yeah but he got the jawline. I'd trade my beard genes for that." They told me my jaw was breddy gud (it's not) and that beards are cool. Brother's gf said something about her jaw, then I suggested that girl had a model tier jaw. Everyone agreed and she gave me the arm touch aw shucks routine. Make sure to make eye contact.

>>42761452
It helps to get a small loan of a million dollars from daddy

>>42761410
>>42761634
I did also drunkenly text her "We're not done here" that first night after we parted ways. That could have been interesting, but she lost her phone. We had a laugh about it yesterday.

>>42761457
If you're the only person who read the book how would they know what it said?

>>42761632
>>42761587
Shit sorry man I misunderstood what you meant by that. If she's being touchy feely with you but tells you she's not interested or that she's after another guy, that's on her and shes stringing you along because she's a little whore. Pack your bags and get the fuck out of there man, I was in a situation exactly like that for my first few years of highschool and it fucking ruined my confidence. That bitch still has the gall to try and contact me to meet up. Trust me nothing good will come from that evil bitch.

>>42761519
>You've got to make her laugh (shell be giggling at things you say if she's interested). Make jokes or slightly tease her for things she says or anything you can gather about her (looks, what shes wearing, whatever she tells you about her) you can mean what you say when you tease her but make sure you do it with a tone of voice that is light, happy, and joking. Don't cross the line into insulting her.
how do i come up with funny things?

>qt at work laughs at everything most other guy's say
>holds onto their arm or puts her arm around their back
>>doesn't do that shit with me because i'm not funny

What do if I'm not socially retarded, but I avoid social interactions out of fear?

I've gotten much better at introducing myself to people and small talk when I want to, but wanting to is the problem.

>>42761777
In my experience giggling/laughing is one of the most accurate gauges of whether or not she is into you/ thinks you are attractive. Scenarios where her laughing a lot might not be a sign she's into you;

>You are genuinely funny (more than likely she's still into you if she's laughing a lot)

You'd have to be comedian level funny to have women laughing 1on1 without the being attracted to you

>You are the butt of the joke or the clown

I saw this a lot when I was younger, guys would act like clowns and be the butt of the joke in order to get laughs. They got the laughs but nobody takes a clown seriously.

>She is a nervous girl who is massively into

Nervous women will sometimes freeze up if they find you really attractive and might not make a peep around you in a group setting, so there is no real way to tell if she's into you or just doesn't like you at all.


If she's behaving that way with the other guys they might not even be funnier than you, she's just not interested, sorry m8.

The key to being attractive to women is to have a "do not give a fuck attitude" and to always be less invested in the interaction/relationship than she is. That really is the simplest way I can explain it.

>>42761740
The thing is, I actually really like her, more than just wanting to have a fling with her. Sometimes I have to watch myself to not turn into a doormat simply to please her. Thing is, she isn't touchy feely with anyone aside from me, she'll go out of her way to sit next to me, she'll lean into me because "she's cold" on a 23C evening, I complain of a sore arm/shoulder and before I can finish the sentence she has already turned me sideways and is massaging it. She'll be doing this in or just outside the bar we frequent, but literally only with me, not any of the other half a dozen men that usually come along as regulars of our little group.
However on the flipside, I'll be driving her home and put up with stories about her not feeling well because of her upcoming period (this actually took me aback so much I didn't really know what to say so I sat there dumbfounded) or talking about some guy she met two years ago who she might be seeing again "soon". Looking back I should have cut her short and told her flat out I am not interested in that shit, but I beta'd out of that because I simply liked her far too much, too late to tell her that now anyway. She doesn't dump these stories on me so often that I feel abused like an emotional tampon, I wouldn't put up with that. But it is often enough to have me confused as fuck as to wether she "likes" me or only likes me.

The only thing I can think of doing is confront her about it, just lay it all out on the table, basically just tell her how I feel about her, go in headfirst. Never played it like that, so I would be lying if I said I wasn't nervous, especially because rejection would by extension cause our regular friendship to become awkward to the point of it just not working out anymore either.

>>42761909
This works for club/collegesloots, but you will encounter women who will simply dismiss you as an asshole when you take this approach.

>>42761842
You need to do a couple of things.

First, you need to change the way you think. You need to stop the intrusive negative thoughts that cause fear, that prey on your fears, and cause you to over analyze situations after they occur. They should be replaced with more rational or helpful thoughts. Try to look at the situation in a different way. Instead of saying "they probably didn't respond because they thought I was an asshole, I'll never be good at this", chose to think something more helpful like "they probably didn't hear me/ maybe they're grumpy and haven't had their coffee yet/ maybe they're socially awkward/ they're an asshole".

Also you need to put yourself in situations where you feel a little uncomfortable. Not to the point of having a panic attack, but enough that you're out of your comfort zone. Try making small talk with people you otherwise wouldn't, or accepting an invitation to an event you feel like avoiding. As you become more comfortable in these situations, you will be able to do things you otherwise would have avoided entirely.

Those are the basics of cognitive behavioral therapy, but there's a lot more reading that can be done on the topic. Not that I've had much success implementing the "leaving the comfort zone" myself.

>>42761924
Shit man, that's pretty heart wrenching. Seriously I know that fucking feel, I've been through something like that a couple of times actually. It's just plain emotional manipulation man, and if it isn't then you do need to lay it out there for her. But you have to promise yourself that if she rejects you after you lay it all out that you will cut the fucking cord and not talk to her again. If she's been acting this way all of this time and she rejects you flat out then this has all been some serious manipulation and emotional abuse and it won't even change. She'll probably try to keep you hooked by making an excuse about why she can't be in a relationship right now or how she doesn't want to ruin "what you have" (I've heard both of those before) but that's a lie, a sham and a manipulation tactic that she's gonna try to keep you trapped with so she can use you as an emotional IV. She'll suck all of the life out of you, so whatever you do FLAT OUT CUT CONTACT IF SHE REJECTS YOU.

>>42761944
The "don't give a fuck" attitude isn't supposed to mean you're an asshole.
It's literally just playing hard to get.
Talking to women like they're just another human instead of bowing down is probably a lot more attractive.

>>42761634

Tomorrow is fine. I just meant don't wait so long that she thinks you aren't interested tomorrow but you thought of her in 3 days because you were about to rub one out but figured you would try for a piece of ass instead.

I have anxiety. I've always had it and I realized that yesterday. No wonder I'm shit at social stuff. I try to better myself and it always creeps up on me. I have to see a doctor or something

>>42761858
how do i become a guy that is funny and makes girls laugh though?

>>42761991
Boy, without getting too melodramatic, this going to be tough. 27 years old now, and not once have I been so at a loss in a relationship, if she rejects my advance but in a way that leaves an opening for the friendship to continue I am going to find it hard as fuck to cut loose. Despite our relationship not being a romantic/physical one, I feel like it has been more meaningful than any I have been in before.

It is so agonizing that in a way I wish we had never met.

>>42761519
>don't cross your legs

Stopped reading right about there. That shit is comfortable. And if she sees you're comfortable next to her, it'll be better, dumbass.

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>>42762099
Come on man you know what I mean, if it's a mad men esque layed back crossed leg then sure, but most guys I see crossing legs aren't doing it that way and don't pull it off at all.

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>finally get a chance to socialize
>get envious of normalfags and autists alike talking about living life
>explode in anger constantly until they get rid of me
How do I stop this?

>>42762079
>>42761991
Since I don't really want to talk about this with anyone I know IRL, what would you give me as advise?

Due to a change in job (we met as colleagues) I won't be seeing her anymore unless we arrange anything. (So if neither of us text each other we will never see each other again). We texted back and forth a bunch yesterday and are planning on probably meeting up again coming weekend. However it will be at that bar, which is busy anyway and some other people will be joining us as well. So me telling her there seems like an insanely stupid idea. I don't really want to drop it all in her via text either. I thought of just asking her out for dinner on Friday/Saturday and telling her then, but the simple act of me asking her out for dinner like that would already basically be the question and her response would be the answer, so it would be like dumping it on her via text in the end anyway.

>>42762176
I was like this when I was an 18 year old autist. I'd just get dejected.

>>42762050
She gave me a "please text me very soon" kind of spiel before she left. I'm just trying not to be too soon. I don't ever wait three days. That's bullshit for teenagers. I don't have time for that shit. Also, I'm too excited to wait. That's the real problem.

>>42756141
For a few months now I've started saying "hi", "have good evening", etc. to people that I interact with at restaurants, at the gym counter and so forth. At first it was more like a shy mumble but now I actually look people in the eye and enunciate clearly. Sometimes I can tell that they weren't gonna say anything because THEY'RE shier than me and I'M the one forcing them to say something. I consider those a win. There once was a time where I was too shy to say anything but now they're the shy ones, now I am becoming a SOCIAL GOD.

>>42762237
>autist manages to say hi to someone without spilling spaghetti
>SOCIAL GOD
I hope this post wasnt serious

A valuable thing I learned from a friend from Ghana was just how you really don't need a reason to talk to a stranger. He'll talk to girls just because he wants to meet them, and that's exactly what he'll say if they ask him why they're talking to them. No skin off his back if they reject him, but he's putting himself out there. I'm still kind of socially awkward and typically won't talk to a stranger unless I can come up with a half-decent reason to start a conversation with them, like a sports cap or whatnot, but sometimes i can suck it up and cold approach someone.

>>42756255
They work, but they're the tricks of a used car salesman who desperately denies that his methods are sociopathic manipulation rather than genuine human socialization.

If you're a reptilian looking for advice on fitting-in within human society, it's a great entry-level book. For reptilians who feel they can advance past the junior studies, I'd recommend The Prince and 48 Laws of Power.

These books are written by reptilians for reptilians and are sure to aid you.

>>42756464
this chart is complete bullshit

>>42760498
It means you change yourself.

Like how a maggot changes itself into a deerfly after feeding on a rotted corpse.

>>42762212
It isn't so much the "how soon after" as much as it is the "how often and for what purpose".
20 separate non related (i.e. they aren't part of a longer back and forth discussion) texts a day is usually a nono for instance.
Telling her about inane stuff happening to you is a nono as well, we (sadly) have Twitter for that sort of bullshit, so no texts telling her about how the milk was sour and you had to go to the shops at 8am to get new.

Make sure she has a reason to reply as well.

Last but not least do not be fucking indecisive, don't text her something like "do you want to eat Chinese or Indian?" Not only is that indecisive, it is fucking boring. "I know this fantastic Chinese restaurant down the road, the food is great and the owner a fucking blast" blabla. You are, in a way, trying to sell yourself and your date to this girl, so fucking sell it right.

what do i talk about with normies? like when we past the general basic info? like if i talk about myself i'll look self centered but idk what to ask the person about

>>42762275
Most times when I look at people in the eyes while walking down the street, they look away first. Sometimes they don't even look at all, but the Social God looks. The Social God looks every time.

>>42762347
Are you sure you aren't eye-raping them?

>>42756255

This is the type of shit people read to feel like they are improving without actually going out and doing it.

You don't need a book to tell you to stop being a shitty person. Practice is the only way to remedy the illness of autism

>>42762347
>they look away first
Yesterday it looked like you were staring right into my soul motherfucker. what did you expect me to do?

>>42761197
let me guess, solid?

>>42762310
That's actually really fucking useful info. Thanks man. I've definitely made that mistake in the past. I was just going to ask her to come over for dinner or something like that.

>>42762402
Huh?

>>42756292
Sounds kinda like kretom, I might try it

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>>42762333
Anything, it is the way you talk about it. I am obsessed with WW2 and know more about it then some people who study it. I will rarely not talk about nazis at some point.

"Ya know, no matter how liberal and good our society becomes, nothing will ever look quite as good as a nazi uniform" -> Discussion is now about cool uniforms, the (few) merits of the nazi warmachine and how cool it would be to pull a prince Harry and have both the swaggest and most evil costume at a party.

"Ever seen Das Boot?" -> Discussion about the hellish life on a sub, the great and suspenseful movie, the apolitical nature of frontline warfare and when in a bar the inevitable drunken chorus of "it's a long way to Tipperary"

"did you know there was a Japanese man who was stranded after the war and didn't believe the war had ended?" -> chance to tell cool trivia story, don't be a sperg and info dump, tell it properly pause at the right moments etc. literally just grab your beer and take a sip the moment everyone wants you to move on to the next bit.

"If you could be one country during WW2, which would it be and why?" -> I have blurted this one out at bars so often, and every time without fail the discussion will last over 30 minutes and is furthermore unpredictable as fuck, tons of fun.

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>>42762469
Fuck off Karl you insufferable wehraboo faggot

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>>42756255
this book is outdated and it also makes you come off as fake

the smart thing to do is skim it and take pieces to apply to your life, definetly not a super book like "role models"

>>42762207
How did you grow out of it?

>>42762404
Obviously don't lie to her, I mean, if you don't actually know a fantastic Chinese restaurant, and do not know the owner or if he is a fucking blast or not, then don't sell it that way. In towns in which I am unfamiliar I will let her decide, but again, not by simply telling "I don't know New York, you decide where we go tonight :)" but something more along the lines of "You are in charge tonight, surprise me. Punishment for those who disappoint me yet to be determined ;)". Personally I like to be a bit cheesy, I want them to groan about the jokes/texts as much as laugh at them. Most important thing is to not be boring.

To put it differently, if the text you just sent your girl to set up a dinner date could also have been sent to your accountant, you are doing it massively wrong.

>>42762532
I didn't, why do you think I'm on /fit/?

But really you just need to keep it to yourself as much as possible and try to enjoy doing what you're doing with the people you're with.

>>42762505
Prove me wrong though. I bet I could pick up a girl and get her to come home with me using nothing but WW2 related points of discussion.

>>42762563
Why haven't you yet?

>>42762572
It had never occurred to me to do it until this discussion right now.

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>>42761257
>Don't look like boogie
The funny thing is that boogie has a GF

>>42762720
His GF actually looks like him though.

My problem is that when talking to a girl I have LITERALLY nothing interesting to say, not that I am too anxious to speak, but whatever I would say would be nothing more than generic small talk.

HOW does this happen, with guys its so easy to shoot the shit and come up with something funny/ interesting.

any advise appreciated

>>42762769
I had this problem until I stopped giving a fuck and just talked about whatever I felt like. Sometimes when I find it really hard to break a silence for whatever reason I just imagine my brother sitting across of me with whom I can talk about the most random and dumb shit or the most serious and sincere topics with for hours on end and it gets the convo going.

Last I was at a bar with a girl and I had this happen to me, so I imagine my brother being there and imagine how we might be talking shit about norks with their missiles and how we should plan our trip there before shit hits the fan for real.
So I turn to her and literally just say "you hear about the norks giving the nips another firework display?". This first led to hilarity as I explained the terms norks and nips, then we semi seriously talked about nork situation, then talked about me wanting to go see it sooner rather than later and from there we got talking about the place she wanted to go see (Vietnam).

Then when I tell my brother about these sort of dates he just shakes his head and says something along the lines of "I swear you are autistic".

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>>42762769
talk about boba fett

>>42756255
Daily reminder that Dale Carnegie might have been good, but he can't cure autism

>>42756211
Publix

>>42756346
>>42756330
Repetition of a name makes you seem like a tryhard sperg.

T. Someone who isn't an autistic failure and is naturally sociable.

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>>42762361
You underestimate the amount of social autismo some people have. Those can make great use out of this book, simply by giving the basic set of skills

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>>42762909
>he does not have a VGAINA

>>42756464
the retard that made this can't spell successful.

>>42762289
As a fellow reptilian I can confirm

>>42761924
>often enough to have me confused as fuck as to wether she "likes" me or only likes me.
two way street anon

jokesss

reaction will give you your answer

>>42763337
I am not sure if I follow. Are you suggesting I dump an occasional "emotional baggage" story on her? How would that net me an answer to anything?

>>42763337
Oh, we're you suggesting that she might be as confused about me as I am about her and that I should crack jokes and see how she reacts to determine her true feelings?

If THAT is the case; she laughs at pretty much the dumbest attempts at humor from me, but that is rather meaningless as my dumb grin and infectious laugh has that effect on nearly everyone.

>>42761237
just be urself bro

>>42763391
how does she behave around other guys? Similarly to you or different?

>have 3 year relationship with gf somehow
>still cant interact well with people

help

>>42763439
Different, although I have yet to see her around certain guys, like her exes or that guy from 2 years ago she talked about. Even then though, I wouldn't be able to tell if she simply wants to be really good friends, or get romantically involved. I mean I myself treat close friends very differently to "just" people who I hang out with.
I am 100% sure she values me more than most people in her life, and vice versa I value her more than most people in my life.
At the moment I am just playing for time as apI decide to either confront and have it all out in the open for better or for worse, or to burry my feelings and enjoy the relationship as is.
I feel like damned if I do, damned if I don't. Whichever I choose, there is a chance it will have been the wrong choice.
I am half considering getting her drunk just to get the info out of her and be able to pretend like it never happened if it is a shitty outcome. That however feels like a very low and underhanded way to do things, especially because she doesn't really drink unless I insist she joins in with me.

>Chick has crush on a close friend, she's an incredibly average looking girl but she's by no means unattractive. She's going to rate between a 3 and 7 solely off your taste in women. I'd put her in at a 6.
>she's also has a past of physical and sexual abuse so she gets triggered by literally everything, so she's pretty fucking psycho as a result
>friend gets egged into trying to pursue her, they fool around together but he tells me he couldn't really get into her (went soft when she tried to blow him)
>he cuts it off with her but she still follows him around like a lost puppy
>she'll eat and hang out with him all the damned time and a few nights ago she even cleaned his apartment and washed his dishes for him

Just thought I'd share it. Gives me another perspective on the whole concept of friend-zoning and beta orbiters since the genders are reversed. Especially since my friend has never fucked a girl or had a gf. But then again, because of her past I don't know if that's something atypical of girls and just her way of coping, or what.

>>42763366
imply through your demeanor, and occasionally your words, that you have options(after all, doesn't she?). no emotional stories
somehow the idea that you're not a sure bet for her has to get in her head, and how she reacts will tell you how much she has invested in you.

it could be as simple as seeing you talk to another girls, and even taking it further with the amount of explicit flirting being proportional to her threshold of jealousy, to not risk out of control drama. lol probably not for you.

as a thought experiment, think of it this way: she brought up another dude because she was genuinely more excited about the possibility of seeing him than than the actuality of actually being with you in the moment. girls follow the emotion of the moment, and you weren't giving her any


i just reread and it seems like there's nothing at all going between you two, despite being 'fun' for her you never put your dick behind anything you were doing. she's been hanging out with you and you've been the one having all these expectations despite never making your intentions clear. i'd move on if were you

>>42763579
>i'd move on if were you

I think he should at least try asking her out before doing so.

>>42763534
>I feel like damned if I do, damned if I don't. Whichever I choose, there is a chance it will have been the wrong choice.
kierkegaard

who also happened to write this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Either/Or#Diary_of_a_Seducer

>>42761628
forrest?

>>42763588
but if and only if he makes it clear he wants to fuck her. hopefully without spergfully blurting it out loud

because right now he exists within the backdrop of the experiences they have had together, a collection of experiences that he wants to work against by all of a sudden having an emotional outburst.
talking to other people, or straight up talking about her as if he was talking about someone else and briefly describing the situation, straight up looking at her body as an object of desire, anything to get the proper frame on the interaction, which he obviously never laid down

unless he gets really clear with what he wants, and acts by it 100% it's pointless to try to change the momentum here.

>>42761296
TEXT HER RIGHT NOW

"pls respond"

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>>42762928
you can actually cure autism if you take enough shrooms though

>>42762532
Meditate

>>42763718
The way I read his posts it seems to me that both are clearly interested in each other and both feel equally worried about "making the move" that might ruin their existing "friendship".

Imo he should just fucking ask the girl out on a DATE and actually use the word DATE because from what I gather from his posts that has yet to happen. They have gone out, and interacted, but an actual 1on1 date is glaringly absent.

If she says no to the 1on1 date then she is clearly not interested, if she says yes she clearly IS. It really is as simple as that.

Although admittedly if he gets to hear "no" then I don't see how their existing friendship could endure, but that's just the bullet he will have to bite if he wants a definitive answer from the girl.

>>42756255
Dale Carnegie pls go

>>42761246
No you are right anon, it is only that betas dont understand those thinks so easy and need examples and storys of how to act...
So if you have a good Alpha Story, please share.

>>42758419
Try to find a hobby that will eventually will pay or invest your money wisely. One of the pharmacists I used to work with went into semi retirement at the age of 45. Shit's crazy I tell ya.

>>42761388
Go to a pick up Forum, place your questions.

>>42756391
But what you just said means it actually works you fucking spastic.

>>42761858
I really hope you're wrong. Most people (including girls) laugh at the shit I say but I'm still a virgin.

>>42756255
Anyone have a pdf?

>>42764061
yes I have a penis

>>42762469
You know about the Muslim Nazis and the Black Nazis, you know that Nazis, Hitler had no Problem with the Color of the Person, but only with Folks that were a threat to his Nation?

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>>42762289

>>42764106
groce

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What's a good reply to this? In her pics she clearly puts make up on her boobs to enhance her cleavage, so I wanna point that out

>>42764273
thats a bad way to start a convo bro
keep it lighthearted and brush the shittest off

>>42761506
>>42761495
Well that explains a lot about me and my permavirgin status.

>>42761480
>barter
part of their way of life. at stores etc this commonly happens

>>42764273
why lol? as cheeky flanter? or because you're autistic?

>>42764273
respond with

>yea im hard to wrap around

that'll show her

>>42764273
Only if you have daddy issues

>>42764273
Why? Do u wanna be my mommy?

>>42764273
>Fuck Off

>>42764273
>As seen from your profile pic, at least the daddy issues are very real
>my mother is dead bitch

>>42761389
I've seen this happen irl too with a friend, RSD is the biggest virgin trap there is.
I hate those fags for praying on desperate men.

>>42762909
Reminder that if a girl ever says "I have a boyfriend" to you, that means she's subconsciously telling you she views you as a "sexual threat" and wants to fuck you without even realising it, and not someone she wants to friendzone. It's a shit test to get you to make a move.

>>42764402
I.e. if she didn't view you as a "sexual threat" and saw you as a "friend", there would be no need to tell you she has a boyfriend

>>42764392
how many qt have you fucked in your life?
wait, let me guess... None.

>>42764419
Hahahah, do you think I'm an autist because I don't like RSD?

I fucked 11 girls and my gf last night.

>>42764273
>No mommy, don't do it again
Don't do it again
I'll be a good boy
I'll be a good boy, I promise
No mommy don't hit me
Why did you have to hit me like that, mommy?
Don't do it, you're hurting me
Why did you have to be such a bitch

Why don't you
Why don't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just leave here and die
Never stick your hand in my face again bitch
Fuck you
I don't need this shit
You stupid sadistic abusive fucking whore
How would you like to see how it feels mommy
Here it comes, get ready to die

>>42764443
Yes i really thought that. Guess i was wrong.
Hope what you say is true.

RSD is a Company and they are mostly right about the thinks they say (mostly).
No Virgin Needs to give Money to learn those thinks.
He can just go to a pick up Forum and ask for advice, there a re plenty of guys that will help an virgin anon out.

>>42764444
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah

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>>42764444
Checkem motherfukkers.
Anon you must send this to her.

>>42764273
I'll fake it if you call me daddy.

>>42756346

Definitely helps in social situations. It helped me and I was already very sociable and well-liked. If it could help polish me up in a few areas, it can definitely be life-changing for people with real social issues. It can help everyone.

>>42763712
yes.

>>42764444
Czech't

This Friday I'm going out with a girl I've known for a couple years and always had friendly smalltalk every now and then but nothing more. I'm a kv, what do to escalate things?

>>42756141
Read 'Models' by Mark Manson, if you wanna her with ladies.

>>42764677
Kiss her and put you peepee in her

>>42762078
have good looking face, tall and wide shoulders

>>42756141
What does this have to do with fitness?

>>42764973
literally read the second line of OP's post you drooling retard.
It's important not to come off as a stereotypical buffoon gym rat (you) once you get muscles.

>>42764465
If you put it like that it's not too bad indeed.

>>42764992
Again, what does this have to do with fitness?

>>42765016
>again look how fucking dumb I am
Don't like the thread then move on your fucking retard

>>42765016
>>42764973
>what is the hide thread button
Easy as that cupcake. Thread has been up since yesterday. No rules being broken here so fuck on off.

>>42756255
I bought the physical edition years ago but never started it. Should I?
Mind you I'm a shutin who hates talking with people. All they talk about is work children and other petty things.

>>42764444
This made me laugh and I'm going through a really bad time. Thank you

>>42765184
I really hope that you get better soon.
hard times will come, we must endure them and will be successful.
Wish you the best.

>>42761237
literally just be yourself
But within reason
If you're an unlikeable cunt then try to play it off, and if you're a complete drag to be around then apply yourself more
Mainly though don't try to "game" girls or whatever or try to project a fake personality

>>42765177
>All they talk about is work children and other petty things.

Then if you find the conversation boring, then exit yourself out of it. Otherwise, stop being full of yourself. Most people who talk to you will find some of the things you like are petty just as much as you find what's important in their lives petty.

Give a little, receive a little.

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Help me bros I'm fucked atm. I've been working up the balls to ask out this girl I've known from work these past few weeks and finally did it a few days ago. She agreed and now I'm terrified because I honestly don't know how I'd get through whole coffee date talking o one person and not fucking up. Any tips and pointers to help a bro out? I've not spoken to anyone but cashiers, a few male coworkers, my best friend and my brother for the past three years and really wasn't too well socialised before that. Any basic tips to not fuck up would be great.

>>42766205
Just ask her questions about herself. Chicks eat that shit up. Then you'll have plenty to talk about. And honestly, just be yourself. That may not seem like a good thing to you, but you don't have to put on a show to impress and if she isn't into you the way you are then that will save a lot of trouble once she figures out it was all a charade.

>talking with a girl
>"people back where i lived were pretty shit, they would always boast. i had a friend that would "fight" by slapping you and then running away"
>"hahaha thats so dumb"
>"yeah, i know. eh, fuck 'em"
>"you do"
>"well i did fight with him once"
>"oh, really? who beat up who?"
>proceed to explain the fight
>"wow you must be pretty strong"
>"nah, i guess i just boast a bit myself from time to time, probably because i lived in a place like that ahah."
>"nah, youre strong. you shouldnt boast tho."
>"yeah, i know, i do it seldom without thinking about it"

did i fuck this up?

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>go on a cycle of trying to find a girl, failing, working on a new goal, achieving it, and trying again
>finish school, get a good job, get in shape, buy my own place
>try online dating
>approx 1/55 messages returned
>whenever conversation comes to meeting they disappear
>actually get one average fob japanese girl to give me her number
>doesn't reply to text anyway

Time to accomplish something else but I'll be 30 by then.

>>42761720
>gottem

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