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>do 5 mile yesterday morning and then move 900 pounds of flagstones for landscaping, eat a normal keto dinner for OMAD
alright

>do another 5 mile hike today, dick around with smaller housework, but then wolf down two things of nachos you made with cookies and whiskey thrown in on the side

How many days of water fast will I have to do to atone for my sins brothers?

Night out with friends fked my fasting... had lunch with them today also. Will fasting untill tomorrow night be enough to have my sins forgiven??
20:4 window btw... breaking fast close to 7p.m.

>>42737350
if you've kept with it for awhile, don't sweat it. IF is good for total health but what's the point of having an amazing body and great energy if you can't go eat and drink with friends

now if you ate like a fat fuck, I'd say 2 days minimum

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>>42737043
>>DeLauer videos, mainly focus on tips, quick explanations of processeses backed with research, and chadliness
Stop posting these. That guy is a complete hack douche. Hes a """celebrity trainer""". Just post actual doctors like fung not meme lords.

>>42737525
What is memey about him citing research studies and linking them in the descriptions in all of his videos, even for stupid shit like post-fast keto shakes?

>>42737608
Why not just post the studies then? Or post rhonda patricks info on fasting and shakes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKfR6bAXr-c

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Check in lads. Day 2 here.

>>42737903
How you feeling? I was noticing a massive amount of norepinepherine getting dumped by the end of day 2 when I did my 3day, the amount of energy is shocking

>>42737917
I ate pretty late the day before yesterday. So far I am feeling similar to yesterday, nothing like you are describing yet.

will skipping lunch do any good?
Lunch is a faggot meal anyways

fasted till 530 pm today.

had 1250 cals for dinner

77 carb/ 42 fat/ 135 protein

>>42737955
If you skip breakfast and lunch you will enter godmodr

>>42737985
not breakfast, no.

>>42738012
my dear oatmeal will not be sacrificed

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>>42738012
>>42738032
There is no reason to consider fasting or skipping meals if you won't even give up a trite bowl of oatmeal that does nothing but bomb your bloodstream with glucose and sap the nutrients out of your small intestine and colon

>>42737043
Does drinking bulletproof coffee in the morning on keto break fast?

>>42738138
whoa there, someone's on the keto diet.
Fr tho, I do agree that keto burns fat like a motherfucker and that's great but I'd rather do it slower with carbs while having energy to hit it hard in the gym.

Prove to me fasting doesn't fuck your metabolism up.

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>>42738177
It's up in the air, fung says it's fine if you want to reduce total glucose and IGF levels and want to boost HGH and other hormones, however, from my own poking around, fat fasting may break other parts of the fast, like autophagy.

If you are fasting for autophagy and the health benefits not directly related to your metabolism, I'd say no, if you're doing it to lose weight and lower glucose, by all means, go for it.

>>42737903
Day 5, keto breath sucks

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>>42737043
this is the DYEL you guys listen to

so I can't workout in the morning doing IF because i'm going to miss the benefits of consuming protein straight after working out?

>>42738226
hes not fat, which is the point. nice job proving it works
>>42738194
actually read/watch OP info

>>42738243
>hes not fat
but he's skinnyfat, I guarentee you that. Zero muscle. Hungry chink= hungry skelly

>>42738272
You are aware he and his family do keto right? ESPECIALLY after his interactions with Dr. Dominic D'Agostino right? It's common knowledge that carbohydrates are probably the worst thing you can ingest, and without them, there's only fat and protein to intake

>>42738272
He never claimed to lift weights. Stop creating a strawman argument. He never claimed fasting got you jacked either. Again stop creating strawman argument.

>>42738289
Oh shit it's the tools of titans page that turned me onto D'Agostino!

The thing about a short term 3-5 day fast being able to clear you out amazed me. I thought he was fucking bullshit until I found out the navy SEALS hired him to do research on how to modify navy diver metabolism and prevent seizures

>>42738297
how does that disprove my point that he's skinnyfat.
Now we don't just have one hungry chink, we've got a bloodline full of them
>Dominic who? the fuck?

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>>42738311
i really dislike this book because its clear half of the people featured are victims of survivorship bias, but you gotta give tim ferris credit for his self experimentation

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hope these pages were enlightening

>>42738328
There is absolutely no way that happened in 1 month.

>>42738226
He's like master Roshi, he's hiding 10 tons of muscle behind that shirt.

>>42738226
Fung is concerned first and foremost with the reversal of type 2 diabetes and for his patients to achieve metabolic health; Weight loss and any additional effects are just cream.

If you do want to see Fasting/Keto in lifters, I believe D'Agostino has a group of lifters including himself that he does fast/keto tests on

>>42738356
It can be like 20kg difference. He can be manlet

>>42738328
fuck off

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So is this shit for fatasses only? Are all of you faggots fat right now?

>>42740462
hell no , everyone should fast often regardless of weight

I want to do 1 week of alternate day fasting before doing two 3 day fasts the following week
So do I eat maintenance kcal on my non fast days or surplus? Im on keto 16/8 right now and eating maintence is hard already..

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>tfw saved 300 dollars I would've spent on food
What are you spending your fastbux on (other than rent)?

does fish oil break a fast?

>>42740609
0 calorie sips

>>42740609
>saved 300 dollars
Jeezus christ, how much fast food did you normally eat until now?

>>42740736
>$20 on avg spent on food daily
>15 days fasted out of the month
Poorfag pls

>>42737043
How good is IF and keto for someone with prediabetes?
I already got my A1C to safe levels, but so far I've just been eating organic foods and high carb foods and such. I can go into detail if you care.
I do want to mention that I went from 230 lbs (when I was diagnosed earlier this March) to 167 lbs right now.

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Anyone here trying to gain mass while fasting? I've been considering fasting from 8pm Saturday to 6pm Monday, would this cut off some fat?

>>42740484
are you trying to lose weight

>been on a strict 16:8 diet for a litte more than a month now as a skinnyfat
>pants are starting to feel loser
>stomach has gone down a little bit
however
>bitch tits and love handles are still there
>some of my compound lifts have been stalling, haven't been making a whole lot of progress in the last 2 weeks

where do i go from here? should i just keep cutting to auschwitz mode and lift anyway? guessing my bf is about 17%

>>42740825
Yes, I've lost 80 lbs and I'm on my last 20 so I want to try prolonged fasting

>>42740837
*looser

I intermittent fast pretty regularly.

Let's say i want to try fasting for a few whole days. Should i just take my fucking vitamins and keep electrolytes in check or what?

How do I go about breaking a fast if I want to keep to a keto diet afterwards? A lot of what I've read seems to indicate that fruits like watermelon are ideal, but they aren't keto friendly.

Should I start with fibrous green vegetables, blended perhaps?

Really want to try this but a I am so afraid of gainz goblinz..please reassure me /fast/...

working out fastest or no fasted? whats better?

>tfw on hour 64 of water-fast
Crazy how my discipline was shit for calorie counting and intermittent fasts, but I'm all good with eating nothing at all.
Hoping to go for 35-40 days, if all goes well I'll go from 96kg to 74-70kg.

>>42740960
Not fasted obviously

>>42740978
Make sure to take vitamins and drink salt water now and then.

some anon mentioned alternate day fasting while lifting in the previous thread. I'm familiar with alt-day fasting for non-lifters, but curious how well it work for lifters.

Eat on lift days. Fast on rest days. Just wondering how much you sacrifice on gains because protein synthesis lasts for 48 hours, but you only eat for <24 hours.

Lads I'm 6 foot but weigh 67kg, all of it cellulose flab. I've got girl hips, bitch tits, cellulose thighs, legs, flabby soft stomach - worst case scenario skinny fat. Would fasting burn the fat well enough? I ask this because the people who do long term fasting tend to be obese and so the transformation is more visible.

I can't even tell what body type I am - I don't think I have a fast metabolism otherwise all the shit I ate as a kid would've been burnt off. This is where the fat is from - a shitty single mother filling me with carbs and fast food.

>>42741708
Try intermittent fasting, possibly while eating keto. I've been doing OMAD, eating at around 1900 every day. I go for a run in the morning, on an empty stomach and it's been burning fat like crazy. It's kind of hard at first to run without any food, but just after a few weeks I feel amazing and the results are visible. My stubborn lovehandles are shrinking, my ugly leg fat is going away. It requires a good amount of willpower but it's worth it.

>>42741796
by 1900 I mean 7 o clock, not calories

>>42740763
>tfw 5$ on food daily
learn to cook anon. You are old enough for that

>>42741326
what vitaminds do you recommend?I dont want to ruin my fast

I just started intermittent fasting. What should I do post workout? Just some creatine? Bear in mind that I do weight lifting, and some workouts, like today's leave me breathless and shattered. Or should I just keep on fasting until 8 pm?

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redpill me on IF, started doing IF (16-8) from morning to 4pm, where instead of lunch break (1-2:30 pm) i go for bike sprints, take a shower and then eat at 4 usually cottage cheese, some simple carbs and lot of veggies ( around 1kcal meal)

then i go for run 5-10km / 5:30 pace in the evening and hit some chicken or tuna/ veggies /rice dinner

to kill munchies in the evening, i have a proton shake vanilla standart whey

is this good base to loose weigth and improve my stamina?

>>42740609
Better steaks, since I literally just eat steak, eggs, and a heinous amount of leafy greens, I"m saving about 8-10 dollars a day off of breakfast/lunch and it only costs about 2 bucks to move from eating strip steaks to ribeyes in cattle country

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>>42740784
nigger did you even read the OP? Fung is a diabetic nephrologist, his care and fasting protocols first and foremost is for the reversal of type 2 diabetes

>>42741970
>I dont want to ruin my fast
Non of them have calories so you can't break your fast with them. Only vitamin E sometimes comes together with fat or fish oil so the body can take it in.

You need vitamin C, everything else is kind of good to have but optional. Liquid form vitamins are better during a fast because the pills are expected to be taken with food. Most people just take a multivitamin once per day.

Some people just eat one apple per day, one apple doesn't have enough calories to break a fast either, you would still stay in the fasted state.

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>>42742932
>redpill me on IF
I'll get you some glasses first so you can READ THE FUCKING OP

>running and munchies
Keto will boost your VO2 max, heart efficiency, and brain power and overall oxygen use. IF will kill your junk food cravings if you don't smonk weed, 16:8 is good but for additional HGH and other hormones, 18:6 or 20:4 is the way to go

additional info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dan8qtgQRi8

>>42737056
1

How many days a week do you guys fast?

I've been reading different things. Some people do it 3 times a week, some people every day. Is it safe to do 7 days a week?

>>42744429
Read the OP

>>42744339
Wont activating digestion fuck up autophagy?

I accidentally swallowed fly when I was riding my bike.Is my fast ruined?

>>42744429
I do IF 6 days a week with a one day fast on thursdays

>>42744486
No, you can eat as long as you don't leave the fasted state.

>>42744339
>Some people just eat one apple per day, one apple doesn't have enough calories to break a fast either, you would still stay in the fasted state.
this is 100% wrong
>>42744697
wrong wrong

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/sep/04/silicon-valley-ceo-fasting-trend-diet-is-it-safe

If fasting is good enough for Silicon Valley CEO's who earn millions of dollars a year, I think it's good enough for me.

>>42744720
>source: Your Ass

The fasted state is not an on/off switch. Your body will keep using ketone bodies (assuming > 3 days of fasting) as fuel as long as glycogen storages aren't replenished and insulin levels don't get too high.

>>42744773
What you arent understanding is that being in ketosis is not the same as fasting.
You are in ketosis while fasting but fasting itself has many other benefits that are negated when eating.
When you consume calories no matter how few like an apple, your insulin will spike no matter what. Even if its a small amount. Which is a problem because insulin is the enemy of glucagon which is what triggers autophagy. Think about what im saying before responding.

>>42744840
>fasting itself has many other benefits that are negated when eating.
Reduced inflammation in the gut is the only benefit affected by this and you will still get that benefit if you eat one measly apple. I assume you said "many" and then didn't bother listing the 'many' benefits on purpose.

>When you consume calories no matter how few like an apple, your insulin will spike no matter what.
"Spike" is a meaningless term, like I said before it is fine as long as your insulin levels don't get too high. People usually say 50 kcal is safe, but it's probably higher if you have more bodymass.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leangains/comments/lx87d/leangains_fish_oil_tablets/c2wbvcq/

>>42744901
>Reduced inflammation in the gut is the only benefit affected by this and you will still get that benefit if you eat one measly apple. I assume you said "many" and then didn't bother listing the 'many' benefits on purpose.
i believe another benefit is autophagy which is the process by which old cells are recycled and replaced by new cells.

>>42744901
>you said "many" and then didn't bother listing the 'many' benefits on purpose
What i meant was being in a fasted state not just a ketosis state.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/leangains/comments/lx87d/leangains_fish_oil_tablets/c2wbvcq/
I dont care what faggots on reddit say i care what doctors say.
When you eat something contatining amino acids, especially BCAAs like that moron is suggesting, it immediately brings autophagy to a hult.
>>42744921
correct

>>42744926
>>42744921
Autophagy is broken by taking in amino acids (protein). Apples contain basically no such amino acids.

Autophagy starts after 12 hours of fasting, so you would still get autophagy even if you eat too much amino acids once per day. Also too much autophagy isn't necessarily healthy either.

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>>42745016
>Autophagy starts after 12 hours of fasting
this is not true necessarily at all/ It all depends how much glucose and insulin you have circulating in your blood.
> so you would still get autophagy even if you eat too much amino acids once per day
We want to maximize it and extend it. Thats the whole point to multi day fasts with un-interrupted breaks.
> Also too much autophagy isn't necessarily healthy either
Source?
Why are you campainging so hard for this apple? Do you work for "big" apple you shill? All jokes aside most people will agree food cravings and hunger go away when you properly fast around day 3. If you keep re-triggering your digestive system with this apple a day you will never enter this state where hunger and cravings disappear. Eating an apple a day will actually make it harder not easier to fast.

>>42745083
>this is not true necessarily at all/ It all depends how much glucose and insulin you have circulating in your blood.
Yeah it would happen way sooner if you are already basically starved and only ate a small amount (like in the case we are talking about)

>Source?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25771142

>Why are you campainging so hard for this apple?
Because we were talking about one apple a day and you got really angry over it.

>>42745114
>Yeah it would happen way sooner if you are already basically starved and only ate a small amount (like in the case we are talking about)
No thats not necessarily true at all. I AM assuming we are fasting. It takes longer for autophagy to kick in for sure. If you were already in a state of ketosis and avoiding carbs than maybe but most people on fit and in general dont eat keto.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25771142
Ok first off thats an abstract not a study. So basically its a blogpost.
Second off
>dysregulated autophagy is speculated to contribute
>dysergulated
Thats not what we are talking about
>speculated
Great now we are speculating.
This post literally proves nothing at all.
>Because we were talking about one apple a day and you got really angry over it.
Im not really angry at all. All im doing is replying same as you.

Also dont ignore what I said
>All jokes aside most people will agree food cravings and hunger go away when you properly fast around day 3. If you keep re-triggering your digestive system with this apple a day you will never enter this state where hunger and cravings disappear. Eating an apple a day will actually make it harder not easier to fast.
Respond to this dont just gloss over it cause you know you dont have an answer for it.

>>42745164
>No thats not necessarily true at all.
If insulin levels get low enough and protein synthesis stops then autophagy starts. It usually takes a long time for the levels to get low enough for the process to start for a person who ate normally and has full storage of amino acids.

If your amino acids storages are depleted and you only have a small increase of insulin and only taken in a small amount of amino acids for protein synthesis, then it will necessarily take less long to reach the thresholds again.

So it is actually necessarily true.

>Also dont ignore what I said
>All jokes aside most people will agree food cravings and hunger go away when you properly fast around day 3. If you keep re-triggering your digestive system with this apple a day you will never enter this state where hunger and cravings disappear. Eating an apple a day will actually make it harder not easier to fast.
I did it before and it didn't make a noticeable difference.

48 hour fast was easily doable, but after I started eating again I felt weird all weekend. I think I'm going to stick with 23/1 for the foreseeable future.

>>42745267
>It usually takes a long time for the levels to get low enough for the process to start for a person who ate normally and has full storage of amino acids
I know you pleb thats what im talking about.
>then it will necessarily take less long to reach the thresholds again
source? You dont need aminos while fasting for muscle preservation anyway so not sure why youd even want it.
>I did it before and it didn't make a noticeable difference.
Well youre one person and every other person ive seen talking about fasting, and my own experince, shows aboiding all intake beside water and coffee is best for killing your appetite long term on a long fast.

Alright guys, so I think I just fainted? I've been eater fasting for the past two days, and I haven't eaten anything today either. Whenever I stand up, I get fuzzy/light headed, but eventually it goes away after a about a minute or so. I was laying down browsing /sp/ when I stood up to go do something (I don't even remember, maybe homework or something?) and I started to feel dizzy. It wasn't that bad, so I was just looking out the window watching cars go by while waiting for it to pass. All of a sudden, I'm on the floor with a fucking busted lip with my TV knocked over onto the floor. Is it time to break my fast? I really don't know if this might happen again, so I might not risk it. Has this happened to anyone else?

>>42745341
eat some salt dude.

>>42745341
dude break your fast right now, do some fucking reading about fasting and do it properly this time

>>42745321
>source?
If your storage of amino acids is depleted by fasting, then eating a small amount of amino acids CAN'T replenish your storage fully. The protein synthesis will process the amino acids (assuming you took in the full variety of amino acids necessary) and then stop. What part do you not understand?

>You dont need aminos while fasting for muscle preservation anyway so not sure why youd even want it.
That's why I told you to eat an apple, not a protein bar. And I didn't even tell you to eat an apple, I just said some people eat an apple a day. Not ever once did I tell you to eat protein during a fast, I just said it wouldn't matter too much if you ate a small amount.

>Well youre one person
>In my experience bla bla bla
Well you're also only one person, so whatever...

>>42745392
>What part do you not understand?
I understand I want a source. I also understand ingesting any aminos breaks autophagy so thats why you are recommended by actual doctors no idiots blogging to avoid them. What part do you not understand?
>Not ever once did I tell you to eat protein during a fast
You psoting that faggot reddit link where that guy was saying to get 10-15 grams of BCAA a day. Did you not even read what you posted?
>Well you're also only one person, so whatever...
Youre right though I am one person, which is why i listen to actual doctors not idiots on reddit and lsiten to multiple testimonials. And all of them besides you say to avoid any food at all. I think ill go with the majority...
Listen, part of being an adult is admitting when youre wrong and learning from it. You are wrong its plain to see. Just stop coping and admit it dude.

>>42745367
Why?
>>42745387
What do you mean by research? Isn't fasting just not eating for a certain period of time? I feel fine now, no dizziness or anything. Idk if I just went for too long or what.

>>42745341
First fasts are always hard.
You're doing something your body has never done before.
I got a slight fever my first time.
Also toxins in your fat cells can be a problem. Just break your fast if it's too much.
Try again later, maybe go see a doctor if you're worried.

>>42745472
Have you done any research at all you idiot? You got light headed because your BP dropped low because you arent consuming salt.

>>42745436
Why do you want a source if you understand the mechanism? If you put a few drops of water in an empty glass then the water in the glass will necessarily take less long to vaporize fully compared to a full or half-full glass. Do you want a source to 1+1=2 as well?

>You psoting that faggot reddit link
That link was posted regarding calorie thresholds that break a fasted state. Autophagy is a different discussion. Also there are reasons why you would want to to take BCAA during a fast, but we are not discussing that at the moment.

>You are wrong
About what exactly?

>>42745472
>What do you mean by research? Isn't fasting just not eating for a certain period of time? I feel fine now, no dizziness or anything. Idk if I just went for too long or what.
yes but you need to still ensure you are still consuming water. drinking tons of water isn't the only thing because you can still become dehydrated if your body doesn't retain any of that water. therefore you need electrolytes, especially sodium from salt, to ensure your body can hold the water you are putting in.

a multivitamin can help, so can a cup of bone broth if you need salt.

>>42745490
Not always true.
There's many reasons you could faint from fasting.

>>42745504
>If you put a few drops of water in an empty glass then the water in the glass will necessarily take less long to vaporize fully compared to a full or half-full glass
yes but that has nothing at all to do with the way autophagy works. Its not an amount. Its either on or its off. So when you shut it off with any BCAAs youre fucked.
>That link was posted regarding calorie thresholds that break a fasted state. Autophagy is a different discussion. Also there are reasons why you would want to to take BCAA during a fast, but we are not discussing that at the moment
So how exactly was I suppsoed to read you mind and realize you dont even agree with the stuff in the links you post?
>but we are not discussing that at the moment
Yes we are. Wtf do you think we are talking about? Ive been saying for the past 20 posts to avoid aminos to prevent the stoppage of autophagy.
Again eating anything will make it difficult for your appetite ro disappear. Which is why everyone aside from you says to fast properly and not with fucking apples.

>>42745541
9/10 times thats why
>>42745526
thats not fasting at all

Can I do keto and keep up my gains? I did it once before for about 2 weeks and lost a shit ton of fat, but now I'm more worried about my strength and size

>>42745563
keto is an amazing weight loss tool but it will be detrimental to your gains due to reduced explosive strength (your muscles will no longer have glycogen stores to tap into for bursts of energy).

you can continue to lose weight and train and gain some strength but not the gains you would get otherwise.

>>42745590
Would it be more beneficial to switch to keto for like a 8-12 week cut? Because right now ive been adding decent size and strength and losing about 1-2 pounds of fat a week, so more or less lean bulking, but i know i could lose alot more with keto since ive done it once before.

>>42738032
just eat oatmeal for dinner

>>42745627
yes that would be great

>>42738356
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> Anonymous 09/03/17(Sun)19:11:22 No.42738356▶>>42739951
>>>42738328
>There is absolutely no way that happened in 1 month.

It clearly says 28 days. Maybe even 27, depending on how you count them.

>>42745543
>yes but that has nothing at all to do with the way autophagy works. Its not an amount. Its either on or its off. So when you shut it off with any BCAAs youre fucked.
The amount (of amino acids) determines how long it takes until it gets turned on again, get it now? Remember, that's what we were talking about?

Also your on-off analogy is wrong anyway, you still have autophagy going one with active protein synthesis. The protein synthesis (and high insulin levels) just suppress autophagy, it's not an on/off-switch, it's more of a slider bar.

>So how exactly was I suppsoed to read you mind and realize you dont even agree with the stuff in the links you post?
Like I said there are reasons to take BCAA during a fast. Autophagy isn't the be and end all of fasting.

>Yes we are. Wtf do you think we are talking about?
We are discussing if an apple stops autophagy (it doesn't or at least not for long), which then degenerated into whether taking protein during a fast stops autophagy (yes it does, but not for as long as you think) and now we are apparently discussing whether having autophagy is more beneficial than the benefits that you get from taking BCAA during a fast.

See some goal post moving?

Okay let's dicuss the benefits of taking protein and more specifically BCAA during a fast then. BCAA protects the muscles against muscle breakdown during dieting and fasting. That's why you would want to take it.

>>42745627
Couldn't you just reduce your cutting time by a lot if you just fast?
As far as I know you don't lose more muscle from fasting as opposed to caloric restriction.

>>42737043
guys I decided to do a YOLO fast today. but I am chewing gum is that fine?

>>42745685
>determines how long it takes until it gets turned on again, get it now?
source? I dont get it cause you arent providing a soruce. You cant provide one cause youre assuming thats how it works.
>Like I said there are reasons to take BCAA during a fast. Autophagy isn't the be and end all of fasting
Ya youve said it now not when you posted that reddit link.
Youre right but why not take advantage of autophagy?
>Like I said there are reasons to take BCAA during a fast
Liek what though? The spike in HGH is suppsoed to prevent muscle wasting so why would you even bother?
>See some goal post moving?
Its not goal psot moving. Fasting to me means 100% including all the benefits it offers. Theres no reason why you would fast and not want autophagy to be occurring.
>BCAA protects the muscles against muscle breakdown during dieting and fasting
There is ni muscle loss on a proper fast. Surerly you know that? Dr fong has shown that through HGH spikes muscle mass is maintained.
And for like the 4th time why even eat the apple? As again avoiding food all together makes prolonged fasting easier. I just cant figure out why you want someone to eat a damn apple when it has no advantages at all and multiple possible disadvantages.

>>42745729
You mean fasting on the diet im on right now or when i switch to keto?

>>42745769
I mean just fasting.
I don't know how many pounds you're trying to cut, but presumably fasting would shorten that right?
You'll switch into full keto in a fast after 2 days or so anyway.

>>42745756
I can't provide a source because nobody bothered to make a study for the rare chance that two retards have a stupid internet discussion and exactly this question comes up and one of the two retards demands a impossible to provide source to win that argument.

>Ya youve said it now not when you posted that reddit link.
Because it was provided to answer a different question. Should I explain every little unrelated detail of a source I provide?

>There is ni muscle loss on a proper fast. Surerly you know that? Dr fong has shown that through HGH spikes muscle mass is maintained.
It's not a perfect process. You still lose muscle mass, the effect is just diminished because of HGH.

>And for like the 4th time why even eat the apple?
I didn't even tell you to eat an apple, I just told you 100 times you can eat one if you want. I didn't tell you you NEED to eat one and I didn't tell you you SHOULD eat one. I literally just said SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO EAT AN APPLE to get vitamins during a fast. Jesus Christ, stop being retarded.

>>42745800
I fasted to jump start my keto last time i did it but i never thought of doing it right now. The only time i fasted with carbs was when i wrestled in highschool and boxed in college, and it worked well, i just never really thought about doing it right now. Is intermittent better than a 1-2 day at the beginning of the week?

>>42745833
That depends on what you want to do.
I'm still not sure what you're talking about.
What is
>fasted with carbs
Keto isn't really something you should actively pursue to maintain I think.

>>42745824
>I can't provide a source because nobody bothered to make a study for the rare chance that two retards have a stupid internet discussion and exactly this question comes up and one of the two retards demands a impossible to provide source to win that argument.
Ok but reading something ta some point must have led you to that conclussion. Post that instead.
>Because it was provided to answer a different question. Should I explain every little unrelated detail of a source I provide?
Yes, when you post a link most people reading it will assume you support whats in the link. You should have said that you dont support or believe in all of it.
>It's not a perfect process. You still lose muscle mass, the effect is just diminished because of HGH
I agree but when you have the HGH spike theres no reason to bother with BCAAs dude. Especially considering its a double negative as it wills top autophagy.
> Jesus Christ, stop being retarded.
Im not buddy but you sure are. Fasting means fasting, It doesnt mean eating apples.
And for about the 5th time now completely abstaining from food actually makes it easier to fast not harder. That apple is a temporary fix but a long term problem if you plan on extending your fast.

>>42745866
I mean fasting while consuming carbs as opposed to fasting or intermittent fasting while on a keto diet. Thats also what im saying, i would go keto for like 8-12 weeks to cut alot of my remaining fat once ive reached my size and strength goals im reaching for, but as you said, if fasting can help me with the fat loss while on keto, then im all for it, i just need to determine where to start

>>42745902
I have refuted the problem you had with the link. If you have another problem with it bring it up or shut up.

There is no reason why you wouldn't want the additional protection by BCAA. Autophagy is nice to have, but not everyone cares as much about it as you do. Some people care more about protecting their muscles. Some people only fast to lose fat. Some people only fast to reduce inflammation. Your reasons are not the reasons of everyone else.

There are different kinds of fasting not all fasts are water fasts like you seem to think. And I am 100% convinced that you are retarded at this point.

Will multivitamin pill a day during water fast stop autophagy?

>>42745981
Fasting while consuming carbs isn't fasting.
Either go for caloric restriction or keto(will take long, and is tedious), intermittent fasting (either one or two days a week) or one or two long water fasts depending on how many pounds you have to lose.
Read the OP, watch some of the videos.
Whether it's keto, caloric restriction or fasting calories in calories out still applies.

>>42746021
No

>>42745994
>I have refuted the problem you had with the link
no you literally haven't. I cant read your mind moron, if you post a link i assume you support whats in the link.
So I can have 1 benefit from fasting or I can all 3 you listed. Wow what a tough choice.
>And I am 100% convinced that you are retarded at this point.
And I feel liek you are either very very young or you dont even actually lift weights. Anyone looking at our conversation will see that you have almost no idea what youre talking about. Good luck with those apples.

>>42746030
Yea i got you, i meant fasting and then eating a diet including carbs after the fast, as opposed to eating a keto diet after the fast, just to clarify.

>>42746046
>So I can have 1 benefit from fasting or I can all 3 you listed.
Were you trying to demonstrate that you are not good with set theory?

>>42746069
I have no idea what that is desu but I know I can fast and receive 3 benefits or I can fast your way only only receive 1. I choose all 3.

>>42746080
You still get all the benefits except one. And you gain another benefit in form of further protection of your muscles.

Try to pick up a book sometimes.

>>42746063
Fasting doesn't require a diet on non-fasting days unless you're focusing on a particular diet when bulking.
General nutrition still applies, carbs for energy and protein for building muscle. I'm not sure what keto achieves except maybe it would be easier to transition in and out of fasting.
I know I can get a better workout with carbs in my body, but if you can go on keto without losing performance by all means try if you want.

>>42746098
>Try to pick up a book sometimes.
That doesnt relate to Set theory at all.
Ok then I can get 3 or 2. I still choose 3.
>further protection
You dont need any more thatn what the HGH boost provides. Post a source claiming otherwise.

>>42746125
>You dont need any more thatn what the HGH boost provides
Prove that first

>>42746138
>Try to pick up a book sometimes.

https://idmprogram.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/

>>42745590
>>42745627
keto gains can be made, strenght gains are harder. but only the first 3 months. after that u become "fat adapted", and strenght levels will go back to normal.oh and ur never tired on keto, so more reps and setts .

>>42746182
>There is a normal breakdown of muscle which is balanced by new muscle formation.
>This breakdown rate slows roughly 25% during fasting.

Like I said you still lose muscle mass, your point that HGH protects perfectly against muscle loss during fasting is horseshit. Good night.

hey, i cmd+f'd it but I couldn't find anything.

I did a 24 hour water fast yesterday. this morning I had a clif bar and a bottle of pomegranate juice. Then i shit my pants.

Is it because I wasn't ready for the food or am I literally just disabled?? /fit/ please help me

>>42746230
pics of shitty pants or didn't happen

>>42746230
>a bottle of pomegranate juice
Here is your problem.

>>42746225
thats a typo, its slows to 25%
Youd know that if you kept reading
>Normal protein breakdown is on the order of 75 grams/day which falls to about 15 – 20 grams/day during starvation.
I also never said it was perfect. But it slows to 1/5 of what it would normalls be. thats pretty damn good. So I will keep it like that and include the benefits of autophagy.
Good night.

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Anyone have experiences with internal feelings and results from OMAD or extended fasting? Some of the fags on reddit talk about better breathing, sharper visual acuity/less snow, and better organ function from doing them, wanted to know how much of that is real and how much is placebo.
I personally have a small bit of experience with simple 16:8 healing some of my acne scars, but want to know if I can power through a 3-5 day fast and accelerate the process while healing any potential stuff inside me.

>>42746230
If you're just starting out and you're doing OMAD or 24 hour fasts, expect to have instant, explosive diarrhea the moment you finish the fast. It took me about 3 days to adjust but after that I could do something like 16:8, then a 2 day, then back to OMAD, then back to 2 day then OMAD again without any problems.

A popular theory is that in the beginning in omad, that diarrhea is a bunch of toxins, waste products, and spare/junk proteins the body wasn't able to expel earlier, but was able to clean out once you gave it the 24 hours.

The other theory is that your GI tract shuts down, but that's bullshit unless you do 7+ day fasts

>>42746480
Skin does clear out, but feeling like shit half the time is a side-effect as well.
The mental acuity is probably just a meme. You'll feel much better coming off a fast than in the middle of it.

>>42746480

I mentally felt off after breaking a 48 hour fast, but I have only done it once so far. OMAD seems to be the ideal balance for me. I'm losing weight with very little strength loss, I'm not having crazy cravings for food, my mood is pretty chill, etc. But then again I'm not really looking for the benefits that come with longer-term fasts

Can't find the before and after pics from 77 day redditor fast. Can someone help me out?

>>42746883
Its in comments. Close to top.

Should I lift during long water fast or will it fuck up my muscles? Redditor did some training but he also says he advices against it

>>42746883
>>42746935

Literally 4. comment

https://m.imgur.com/a/lNocJ

is a multivitamin, a cup of broth with some salt, and a magnesium citratre tablet enough to cover me each day of a week long fast?

>>42737043
I decided to fast today but I was chewing gum, 15 calories per piece. so that's about 6 calories I chewed. did I ruin my fast? should I just eat?

>>42737043
>no acknowledgement of protein sparing modified fast in the general

Thread discarded.

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>>42747517
Watch the broth if you're doing it for autophagy, for a week long fast, I'd assume that's what you're after

>>42748054
It's a gray area, going form fung and most literature, I'd say you did and oyu probably spiked your insulin, but a lot of resources also say up to 50 cal is okay

just keep fasting for discipline anyway my man

>>42748118
There's no need to, Your body will protect your muscle mass anyway on a full on fast
https://idmprogram.com/fasting-and-muscle-mass-fasting-part-14/

>>42748150
I went over with 60 and it was all sugar. I might as well just do it tomorrow or something.

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Day 3 checking in

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>>42748150

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End of 10 day fast. Day 2 of refeed cycle. 2 more days left to refeed. Refeeding sucks. I can't wait for tomorrow so I can have good fiber and better food. I thought, I'd die drinking so much juice, bone broth, and fruit today.

Remember, never trust a fart!

>near the end of day 3, where shit is supposed to get easier
>Catch a flu and have to abort
>But also have to fight a flu while starting in a starved state
Yeah apparently you need your white blood cells at all times during flu season
I have no poop and I must diarrhea

how many days do i need to fast until my body has shit out all the shit left inside it?

>>42750160
2-3 usually

Approaching 24 hours of fasting for the first time.

When does my stomach stop feeling weird and when do I stop feeling so low energy?

>>42740837

would like to see an answer this this

not him btw

>>42751011
there are two answers - bulk until you have some decent muscle then cut,

or cut to skelly and then bulk

both suck but to look like a stud you gotta look like a pud

>>42748054
under 50 calories and you can still go into ketosis I believe. I lick salt off a cracker so I can drink more water.

>>42751031
im cuttin

went from 219ish to about 215 in 5 weeks. Though I'm not seeing any reduction in fat at the waist really.

>>42751056
you lost 4 pounds in 5 weeks? what the fuck are you doing

>>42751075
what do you mean?

>>42750993
I hope for your sake that you're downing black coffee and water with himalayan salt/electrolyte drops in it

>>42751140

I had black coffee and water. All I got is table salt.

>>42751150
You can find electrolyte tablets on the health aisle of any supermarket. Alternatively, look for a low sodium salt replacement in the seasonings that is half sodium half potassium

So I'm 84 hours into a water fast and I feel nauseous like I want to throw up. Is this a normal feeling?

>>42751472
Have you done anything out of the ordinary, like a massive amount of time or exertion outdoors or smoked or something?

If you're keeping light activity but also getting a proper(heinous) amount of electrolytes, you should be good, if you're already getting them and salt and you feel that bad, google around and consider halting the fast. I would not reccomend eating big right away though

>>42751524
No I have just been laying down in bed and sitting at my desk during work. I get random bouts of nausea every couple of minutes. On top of the nausea I feel weak like I can barely move my body around.

Things that I read online say that it is a side effect of ketosis but im not sure I believe that.

>>42751569
Have you done higher-tier IF before or any shorter 2-3 day fasts? If you just jumped into a 7 day, you could be bombing a lot of your metabolic processes right now.

>>42751114
Not him, but that's nothing for any kind of fast

>>42740472
if you're underweight, you should not be fasting, especially if your goal is to gain muscle mass. Even Dr. Fung says this.

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>>42740609
cryptocurrency, you absolute goober. Anyone who's willingly missing out on the gold rush of the digital age seriously needs to reevaluate their priorities and strongly consider suicide

>>42746252
already washed em, sorry. they were lululemon too, fuck me

>>42740837
are you sure you're actually still fasting during your fasting window? Taking BCAAs, using coffee creamer, drinking diet sodas (includes the retarded SIPS meme), and "just one or two lil nuts won't hurt" snacking IS NOT fasting, and will kick you out of the fasted state

>>42746507
only real answer so thank you.

sounds pretty reasonable. I had been doing 16:8 but I stopped over vacation and just restarted with my 24 hour mistake.

>>42740868
yes. When you're fasting, make sure you're drinking a lot of water (more than what you'd normally drink), and get like a teaspoon on salt every once in a while. It's easy if you just do a shot of salt and chug it down

>>42742228
what's your eating window? I know leangains (which uses IF as well) recommends eating 25% of your calories some time before working out and 75% after working out.

If you're exercising to the point of exhaustion then waiting hours before eating, I'd try to change your eating window or move your workout to later in the day

>>42744339
>Some people just eat one apple per day, one apple doesn't have enough calories to break a fast either, you would still stay in the fasted state.
lmfao dude stop giving people advice. And stop watching kinobody

>>42751620
>>42751620
I have done IF before eating one meal every 24 hours. I have done random 2-3 day fasts. This is the first time I have attempted to go past 3 days. My other fasts I failed because I didn't have the willpower. Im currently trying to go at least 14 days but these constant feelings of nausea and weakness are making me want to quit.

I'm currently 238 pounds 5'10" so I have plenty of fat on my body I'm about 30% body fat. I don't know if I should just power through or just switch to a low calorie diet.

I started my fast 3.9 at midnight and didnt shit yet. Will taking laxatives/psyllium ruin my fast? What else can I do?

i eat one 500 ca ketol meal every 12 hours (7am, and 7pm).

am i getting fasting benefits?

i'm doing this 'cause i'm t2 diabetic and really need to reverse my insulin resistance. does this plan sound good?

Began my first five days fast here, anons, I am already experienced with OMAD but it's the first time I actually do an extended fast like that.

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>>42751056
>im cuttin
>went from 219ish to about 215 in 5 weeks

How do I tell if multivitamins are water soluble

>>42751677
oh I havent been fasting that long. hence I stated this was my first 24 fast

>>42752359
exercise 4 times a week and eat a clean and natty 1500 calories a day

what did i do wrong?

>>42751861
What, coffee doesn't do it for you?

>>42752616
Are you a girl? You shouldve easily lost more weight than that if thats true. Most cuts are easilt 2+lbs a week.

>>42752644
na just a skinnyfat fag with little mass trying to get skeltal mode

>>42752681
>skinnyfat
Nigger youre just fat.
Actually fast and drop lots of weight. Then do a very lean slow bulk from there.

>>42740978
Holy fuck anon eat. We are just memeing

Felt very lethargic and lightheaded earlier. I measured my heart rate around this time and it was 64. Since then I had a liter of water and a couple grams of salt. Just measured my heart rate again and now it is 48.

Anyone noticing increased BO when they fast?

>>42752809
Fasting increases your sensitivity to smells, you're probably just noticing it more than you would otherwise.

>>42737043
>fat fasting

you what

>>42752756
That is way too low. Your body is shutting down. Heart rate should stay around 70-80.

>>42752972
Forgot to add I feel much better now with the lower heart rate

>>42752625
I dont drink coffee

Guys Im dying here >>42751861

I'm 3 days after my water fast. I just had a sandwich. Hope I don't get constipated. I'm still chugging water and fruit.

>>42752756
That's pretty damn low.
My advice: break your fast.
Mind you I was pushing the same resting heartbeat when I was doing a lot of cardio, but if you're worried about it, and especially on a fast where your heart rate should be higher this is no joke.
You do have fat do you? This is /fast/ for fasting not dying faster.

>>42753044
update : I drank espresso. Still nothing

>>42751901
NIGGER DID YOU EVEN FUCKING READ THE OP LINKS

any idea how I can count the calories I burn by doing suicide drills or any type of sprint?

>ctrl-f "lymph"
the lymphatic system is why fasting works in the first place. you fucking idiots need to focus on kidney filtration before fasting.

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B complex and taurine stop autophagy?

>>42751901
http://www.leangains.com/2007/10/my-training-methodology-and-if-for.html?

>>42742228
http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html?
>>42737043
Put that link in your OP post in future. A fasting thread without a single input by Martin Berkhan is a disgrace.

>>42751775
>leangains (which uses IF as well)
Nigga he *invented* intermittent fasting as we know it

>>42754594
Just consider any cardio you do, that is greater than 30 minutes 100 calories burned. Cardio doesn't matter much.

22 hours into my 24h fast
I just finishd an intense hit work out

Should I eat or wait 2 hours to eat?

I have class and Im contemplating not eating until I hit the 24 hour mark

>>42740960
>>42741259
Workout out fasted is better actually

>>42756056
Depends on what you mean by better.
You'll probably get better results when you had your last meal in the past 24 hours.

>>42756024
Wait it out man, the feeling of achievment is gonna be great

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>>42756024
>almost at hour 24 too
>it's my mother's birthday
>she's filipino
>she's cooking tons of filipino food for us to eat
>dad bought tons of cake and desserts
>i've put my mind towards doing a 48 hour fast over the next two days
it smells so good bros

>tfw 70 hours into my fast
>tfw 80 hours since I last took shit
I dont want to die

>>42752498
Put then in water

Just got some pink salt, how much should I put in a glass of water?

>>42756554
I fucking love pansit and lumpya, however you spell it.

>ADF
>lift on feed days
>cardio on fast days
>one rest day a week
Can my body manage this?

>>42740960
http://www.leangains.com/search?q=Fasted+training

>>42756554
Don't make your mother unhappy.

>>42754884
No but taurine maybe

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>>42756098
Thanks bro

Class just finished. I'm 26 hours in now!

I don't even feel hungry and feel I can longer.

But Imma start it off with a Mango and eat a big meal next hour.

>>42756554
Bro my gf is Filipina and she cooked chicken wing adobo and fried rice. Nom nom

on day 4 of 2nd ever fast, how do you manage to add salt to your diet without justmaking watertaste dreadful? Or do i just need to stomach it?

>>42758571
Just add a pinch to a shot-sized dose and down it all at once

>>42758571
Have you tried it with hot water?

>>42758658
I have not, does that make it easier?
>>42758649
will try this tomorrow, thanks!

Fasting is pseudoscience, you're torturing yourselves for nothing.

Fasting only feels good because your body stops starving.

>>42757361
Pls respawnd

>>42758836
>OP provides numerous sources
>anon counters with no sources at all

>>42755563
hi martin

>>42752972
this is horseshit

I've been water fasting since last thursday and have a date this thursday afternoon so I'm gonna break my fast to not weird her out.

How amd when should I do this? Meeting for pizza at 3pm thursday

>>42759469
Eat a small meal today. Eat a slightly larger meal tomorrow. ONLY eat the pizza thursday and nothing more or you're going to puke out your stomach

>>42759469
Youre gonna shit yourelf big time if you dont start eating soon.

>>42759624
what should I eat? keto, bone broth?

>>42759469
my understanding is
diluted fruit juice > fruit/veggie juice > raw fruit > veggies > grains/nuts > dairy > meat/pizza. spaced out over the next ~48 hours you have. chew well

>>42759469
break your fast on her boipussy

>>42752498
If they contain a,e,d, or k, they're not

probably dumb question, but if i fast for, say, a week, can i still play fairly high intensity pickup basketball games for a couple hours twice a week? or will i pass out?

do you still workout when you're on a fast? or just keep activity light?

>>42757361
I'm also trying to do this except I do cardio mwf and lift tues thurs sat and sun. I'm one and a half weeks into it and I feel fine, not sure about long run though.

>>42737903
>>42737917

Day 4, still not God mode. Longest fast I've done was 5.5 days and I still didn't feel it so hopefully around 7 or 8 it'll kick in

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>>42761454
Literally everything you said applies to me, even the longest previous fast length.

>>42761546
How big are you? 245 lbs goal 180 here

My last fast I started feeling pretty good towards the end but my legs cramped up hard because I didn't have enough electrolytes so I stopped it short

Hoping to make it a full month this time thanks to lite salt

About to hit hour 108, think I might break my fast now.
I have uni-break coming up soon so I can try for a 7 or 14 day water fast.
I think I lost 4-5 kgs, although that was mostly water-weight or glycogen or whatever.
Definitely an easier experience than I expected.

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Going into day 8, how long until I see tangible progress on my fat loss?
According to my scale I've lost 5 pounds (not counting water weight), but I can still grab my belly fat like a burger and my thighs like an asscheek.

I'm cutting and restricting cals obv but I want to water fast for the first time cos we all know (unless you're retarded) that it's better. Question though, should I be fine if I have black coffee as well? Or should I literally just have water?

>>42762859
Do these fucking niggers even read the links in the op

Can I drink espresso or will it fuck up my fast?

First time fasting other than accidental OMAD. Now on hour 40 and I feel like a literal GOD.

What food do you usually break your fasts with? I'm hoping to go till Friday and my stomach probably won't be able to process regular meals immediately.

>>42762995
Espresso wouldn't make the fast useless of course, but drip coffee would be a safer option I think since it filters out most of the oils. How long are you planning on fasting for?

>>42763659
Diluted fruit juice then wait awhile to be safe. Are you drinking coffee on your fast?

>>42763700
No coffee, just water and occasionally green tea.
I'll keep your suggestion in mind.

Does drinking Cola Zero stops my fasting? And if so, how do you endure 20+ hours fasting with nothing but a water?

>>42763700
>Espresso wouldn't make the fast useless of course, but drip coffee would be a safer option I think since it filters out most of the oils. How long are you planning on fasting for?

2 weeks at least. I drank espresso without sugar and creme. Bitter as fuck. I never drink coffee but I needed it to take shit

>>42763962
Cola Zero is disgusting thats how. Water taste way better

I have got down to a much lower weight, but still have some fat (Not loose fat, its just hanging around the face and some other places)

Is this good for getting rid of those last stubborn areas?

>>42738238
Need answers

>>42763962
Yes
Stop being a fat fattie fat fat American fattie

>>42763999
>Is this good for getting rid of those last stubborn areas?
No, it only gets rid of non-stubborn fat.
>>42764049
>>42738238
Its a grey area dude. Your eating window could always be in teh morning instead of the evening.

>>42763962
>can't go a day just drinking water
Never going to make it

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>coworker is in disbelief I can go a 12 hour shift without eating
>little does he know I'm on day 6

>Be 83kg 5ft9 after dirty ish bulk
>Down to 79kg atm
>Finally managed a muscle up and then 5 more, something I couldn't do even at 68kg before

DO CALISTHENICS NIGGERS, best shit ever on a diet.

>>42766705
>tfw managed to get to do pullups for the first time in your life at 250lbs while doing IF+keto for /fat/
>tfw snapped your shit and couldn't breathe until you went into a chiro 2 months later

The HGH boost is fucking real but you need to be careful about straining yourself if you're new to lifting or fasting

>>42767243
>The HGH boost is fucking real but you need to be careful about straining yourself if you're new to lifting or fasting

HGH boost sounds like a big fucking meme

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>>42767409
https://idmprogram.com/fasting-and-growth-hormone-physiology-part-3/

sure thing buberoo

>>42767554
what was starting HGH?
Why does it go to shit after day 26?

Also we are talking about IF

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Just here from some Euro-beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4BGSu-lBmU&t=2848s

>>42763962
just remind yourself that Coke Zero tastes disgusting and that water actually benefits you

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>>42763962
black coffee
unsweetened teas

and yes coke zero and other artificially sweetened drinks DO spike insulin and affect the quality of your fast if not outright breaking it
Don't be a fag, drink healthy

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24769862

>coffee does in fact produce measurable increases in autophagy that can last for hours afterwards

this and the fact that I seem to have CYP1a2 AA point to me getting humungous benefits.
Kind of confused though, selfhacked claims that AA gene variant doubles the potency of carcinogens in the blood stream while also increasing detoxifying effects. But Wikipedia article and sources claim that AA has much better 19-HETE stimulation and boosting it with caffeine can make you super human

Anyone know where I can talk to a geneticist?

My roommate fucked my gains, /fit/. I woke up from a nap half an hour ago and filled my mug with coffee, still a bit sleepy, and downed three gulps. I spat the rest when I tasted something off, and discovered that the motherfucker put sugar in my coffee before going on his trip while I was asleep.

Three days of fasting down the drain. Will I still make it?

>>42770204
I would suggest going for some cardio N O W to try to drain your glycogen stores.

What do you guys think of doing a vape fast? Nothing but vape juice for 3 weeks.

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>>42771179

just broke my fast on an apple and some bone broth, both tasted SO GOOD, will this newfound tastebud sensitivity last?

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>4th day of refeeding after 10day fast
>mfw no poops today

S-someone hold my hand. Tomorrow is going to be rough.

>>42772114
No. It will go away pretty soon. The homemade grape juice I had was like a drop kick to my taste buds. Everyone else was like, "Dude, what is your problem?" It tasted like some super grape sour candy. If you can stay away from heavily salted and processed foods, it will last far far longer.

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>>42772114
2 weeks max. Meanwhile, enjoy it.

>>42758926
yes

On day 5 now, I am feeling quite a bit better than days 3 and 4. I don't know if its because I am getting over keto flu or because I held off on drinking my daily Pellegrino.

Can your blood sugar increase while fasting? On hour 100 currently. Two days ago my blood sugar was 72 and today it's 78

>>42772957
gluconeogenisis

I need to break my fast after 4 days. I cant shit out last meal and my gut feels full like its about to explode. Feels bad man. I will get back on it asap

>>42772957
what >>42772987 said OR if you measured glucose in the morning, it was the dawn effect. I believe Fung has an article explaining it, but everybody undergoes it

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>>42773765

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