Vegan General

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Why eating meat is bad for the environment and your very own health.

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>I need diary and meat for my protein

>>42720889

>I need to go to a health and fitness board to encourage people to malnuorish themselves because of my personal beliefs

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>>42720919
>malnuorish

t. meat loving fatass

pic related is probably how you look like

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>how the average meatcuck reacts to a healthy diet

>>42720862
I had a though like this. If we can try to justify eating animals because they are inferior to us, what then with an alien species that sees us in the universe?
2deep

>>42720996
>2deep

too deep for meat eaters perhaps

You vegans are going to have to try harder than 'it's wrong' or 'muh environment' or 'it's icky' if you want me to stop eating meat. I couldn't give two shits about the animals. Fuck the earth, it's fucked one way or another, may as well have fun doing it. Who cares if it's got a little bit of shit or pus? Doesn't affect me in any noticable way.

>>42721054
I'm literally going to kill you the moment we vegans will finally take over a nation.

>>42721072
I didn't know a group of anemic skelles and women could topple a nation.

>>42721072
Ha!

>>42721083
The average meat eater is a fat, disgusting blob too fat to clean himself.

It'll be easy as our numbers grow.

>>42721137
Post your body

>>42721165
if you think this is anyone other than the turbo virge himself you haven't been here long

>>42721191
I've been here for years but I come and go as I please.

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>>42721165

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>>42720862
lmao your cucking yourself, what you need is a BALANCED diet, anything else is retared

>>42720911

>dude I'm silly lmao

Are these threads just a joke at this point? Everyone goes ape shit everytime

>>42720911
What would a vegan do with all the already breeded and domesticated animals?

>>42721220
If I ever want a chubby yellow ass I guess I'll go vegan.

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>>42720862

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>>42721239
>vegan diet is not balanced

>>42721245
Let them free. We will not rapebreed them so their numbers will go down on their own.

>>42720862
>>42720996
>>42721046
So, what's the point of this?
If you are an alien killing the human race or enslaving it is probably the most intelligent choice for them.

my favorite thing in life is vegan with pet animals

>>42721273
The animals wouldn't be able to survive in the wild if they were domesticated.

>>42721325
So what? They'll be free to do whatever they want. They'll be happier being able to see the sun and eating natural food and not being raped so often.

>>42720862
>putting human lives on the same level as livestock
wew

>>42721350
They'll be predated to extinction in a single generation. You'd be the Hitler of multiple races of animals.

>>42721370
I don't care if a species dies as long as it won't experience the slavery we now know as the meat industry.

>>42720862
The alien has the right idea, stay on top of the food chain.

I might trigger a few people by saying this but animal lives are not of the same worth as human lives
Unnecessary pain isn't good, but the mere fact of eating an animal isn't bad in itself

I eat mostly kangaroos that were hunted in the wild, what now vegans?

>>42721422
If keeping livestock is slavery then what would you call keeping pets? Isn't it just the difference between a house negro and a field negro? In before the only difference between family member and servant is not eating them.

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>>42720874
>eating meat is bad
>and your very own health.
No, it isn't.
>Cholesterol
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>(cont.)

>>42721484
>(cont.)
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/

>>42720862
Who could imagine that a member of a species would be against the use of their species as food?!

No shit the cows don't want to be killed for food. No animal does, whether in the wild or a factory. This is so fucking stupid.

>>42720889
Is this real? You'd end up eating 3000+ calories to get 160g of protein

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>>42720874
>somatic cells = pus
lmfao when will science illiteracy end

>>42721515
Notice the vegan is in the same predicament as the meat eater? His lifetime of moral behavior has curried him few favors it would seem.

>>42721455
Vegans are not allowed to keep pets because they are just enslaving them as well.

>>42721484
>>42721503
I won't read your paid studies.

>>42721534
Nobody needs 160g of protein every day, dumbass.

>>42720951

Nah, I'm in great shape. I'm just tired because my youngest didn't sleep well last night and don't really care about misspelling a word here and there. My point stands and your only argument against it is calling me a fat meat eater. Maybe if you actually cared about the health of the people you preach to you would be taken more seriously, but you don't. You care about the animals we kill to eat. We don't care about them.

>>42721572
Not even paid studies. This just a bunch of blog posts.

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>>42720874
>Drinking milk also means drinking pus
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" in the above article entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/07/cheese-your-health-cvd-cancer-metabolic.html
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992
>>42721572
>I won't read your paid studies.
At least you admit you don't read, like a retard,.

>>42721484
>>42721503
Hi,

in case you aren't a bot. Blogs are no sources. Nobody will believe your shitty reddit forum posts.

>>42720996
The animals we eat are largely incapable of complex strategy to fight back from their captors. They may have instinct to attack back in specific cases, but they do not organize as humans can. Their genetic ancestors might have had a better chance at doing so, but we bred that out of them during the domestication process. Unless aliens have been breeding humans in secret for the past hundred thousand years to use as a food source, it's not an equivalence

>>42721593
>This just a bunch of blog posts.
You would see the studies in them if you read.
>>42721614
>Blogs are no sources.
Just because you refuse to read them doesn't make them not a source.
>Nobody will believe your shitty reddit forum posts.
Intelligent people who don't fall for pseudoscientific dietary memes will.

>>42721653
Blogs are as believable as 4chan.

Even some of your """""studies"""" only have like about 10 participants and you still use them as proof.

Have YOU ever read your own shitty links?

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>>42721484
Okay let's see the very first link
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>Moderate consumption of fats, carbohydrates best for health, international study shows
Hmmm let's see the paper it analyzes...
>http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32253-5/fulltext

>Interpretation
>Higher fruit, vegetable, and legume consumption was associated with a lower risk of non-cardiovascular, and total mortality. Benefits appear to be maximum for both non-cardiovascular mortality and total mortality at three to four servings per day (equivalent to 375–500 g/day).

>nothing about fats in findings and interpretation

>>42721432
Similarly, all human lives are not equal.
I wonder what human flesh tastes like, probably pretty good.

>>42721681
>Have YOU ever read your own shitty links?
Yes, And going by your continued shitposting I see you still haven't.
>>42721683
>nothing about fats in findings and interpretation
>This level of not reading at all.

>>42721740
How about you post some paper that shows fats combating cardiovascular disease and SAYS IT CLEARLY IN THE CONCLUSION SECTION.

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MEAT EATERS NOT ALLOWED !

READ IT AGAIN, FAGGOTS !

TAKE YOUR BLOGPOSTS AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR ASSHOLES.

>>42720978
Who watches this kind of retarded shows?

>>42720996
Gantz has done it already, you can take a look at the possible scenario
>inb4 omg weebs on muh weeb site

>>42721350
>They will be happier
How do you know this?

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>>42721834
Meat eaers. They love these shows because they'll think

>Yeah, I'm a fat disgusting, meat eating blob but at least I don't weight 600 lbs pounds :)
>another hamburger please ^^
>vegans, stop giving me information about a healthy diet :/

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>>42720862
>>42720874
>>42720911
>>42720889
>Give animal free place to live and free food
>Allow them to live an environment with predators or bad conditions
>They are even allowed to reproduce
>B-But it's bad because you kill them despite the fact that they would have been dead any ways

>>42721863
yeah everyone knows animals dont feel pain and pleasure all while being masochists waiting to please their human masters with their own flesh

>>42721422
You cannot morally equate animals to people and be fine with species extinction at the same time unless you have some specific kind of schizophrenia or sociopathy that renders your ability to see contradiction useless.

>>42721915
See >>42721899
You realize being out in nature is no better right?

>>42721872
Guess all those athletes out there are fat disgusting blobs. I never knew! Thanks Mr. Vegan.

>>42721929
It is what they are adapted to live in. If a human gets locked in his room with enough food and not much to do guess what will happen to him?

>>42721899
>It's i-immoral to free the slaves. S-slavery gives them f-food and shelter, they wouldn't be even able to fend to themselves if we f-free them.

>>42721915
>>42721965

>The typical life span of the domestic pig is six to 10 years
>The average of a wild pig is 4-8
BTFO

>>42721786
>How about you post some paper that shows fats combating cardiovascular disease and SAYS IT CLEARLY IN THE CONCLUSION SECTION.
How about you actually read what I posted

>>42721503
>>42721484
>>42721606


spamming blogs every thread like they're real sources of info and not debunked drivel from con artists.

Nice blogs, bro.

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if you can make me a meal plan that realistically meets my calorie surplus of at least 2,500+ and doesn't have estrogen in it like soy i'll strongly consider going vegan. The biggest problem i have with it is that it's inconvenient. Restaurants and fast food joints don't have vegan menu's. Everything i eat i would have to cook myself.

>>42720862
LOL OP do you really think anyone actually believes your bullshit bait threads anymore?

Face the facts: Vegan trolling is even more stale than Last Thursday. It may as well be a million years old now. Everyone knows you're not vegan, you probably are eating McDoubles or bacon ro something even as you posted this thread. Time to move on to something else, OP.

>>42721977
>it lives a little longer thanks to medicine but in shitty conditions
wow good for them

>>42721965
But reverse the situation. If I stranded you on an island where you would either succumb to predation, starvation, or disease within a month, why is it morally invalid if I've prevented your potential rape and/or murder?

>>42721985
You posted some fucking meat-eating blogger who re-interpreted a study to reinforce his bad habits even though it's not the interpretation of original authors of the study.

>>42722022
Don't even try to reason with these people. They're dumb as shit and will never improve.

>>42720862
the last guy is correct.
fucking vegans.

>>42722010
Well, you missed the part where i adapted to live in such conditions by learning to cooperate with my tribe and you know the rest. I would probably prefer to live in better conditions indeed, but not in a small crowded room getting fattened up and waiting for somone to eat me. Why is that somehow an argument for domestication for consumption purposes anyway?

>>42722022
>Even more not reading
>>42722039
>This level of projection

>>42722004
But it's better conditions, unlimited food.
>>42721422
>>42721976
So I guess I should kill my dogs instead of keeping them as pets because it's slavery. No wonder people faggot at you idiots.

>>42720978
>healthy diet
>need suplements
welp

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>>42721350
>not enjoying raping

>>42722058
>So I guess I should kill my niggers instead of keeping them as workers because it's slavery

>>42721350
No they wont. You don't know that at all.

>>42722051
>cooperate with my tribe and you know the rest
I didn't say anything about a tribe. Domesticated animals do not have such communities since we bred what little cooperative traits that might promote them out. But nice attempt to sidestep the actual question.

>Why is that somehow an argument for domestication for consumption purposes anyway
It isn't. It's to point out the flaw of letting these animals out into the wild so that they're no longer "slaves" or whatever bullshit you want to call it.

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>>42721798
>trying to police who can and can't enter a thread and post on an anonymous image board
This isn't tumblr, chum. Seriously, these threads are like watching a bee hating convention set up shop right next to a mega hive of Africanized bees and being surprised that a few fly over to investigate or fuck things up.
Worse still, rather than accept that this is entirely you guy's fault for acting uppity, you desperately try to cling to the moral high ground while continuing to hurl insults at those you deem morally reprehensible. The icing on the cake though is that somehow, somehow you people still expect non vegans with an interest to learn what it's like to come here and not be immediately repulsed and turned away when they see what vapid cunts you guys are and choose to comment on it.

>>42722091
Slavery is better than murder and that is why vegans are retarded.

>>42722058
>billions of animals mass 'produced', packed with hormones and kept in cages to satisfy our evergrowing population
>good conditions
if you look only at the lifespan maybe.

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>>42722109
>slavery is better than the higher chance of having misfortune while being free

OY VEY, WHAT A GOOD GOY!

>>42722132
This. Having pets is evil.

>>42722121
Not all animals are though. Instead of being a cuck why don't you eat meat that treats animals well?

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>>42722142
you will never get married.

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>b-but vegans can't be bi-

>>42722156
Of course vegans can be Bi, they are all faggots.

>>42722156
Then why aren't you big?

>>42722142
dogs arent designed to live without humans, if they do it is more cruel.

yes it is cruel to own snakes or birds and shit, but even then, if proper care is taken, it isn't too bad.

eating meat that isn't factory food isn't too bad either, were simply not at the right point in human life that meat is out of the question.

>>42721054
I feel the same way, but I'm actually vegan. It's just much, much healthier. That's the only reason I do it

>>42722096
have you heard of feral cats? anyway i wasnt the one talking about freeing them all, my point was that keeping domesticating them isnt any sort of solution either and that is what you seem to support. The damage is already done yes, so the best option would be creating suitable environment for them to live in peace until they learn to readapt but we dont have neither sources nor time to afford that. Probably only option is gradual ban of mass breeding of such animals.

>>42721220
pls don't be a dude

>>42722183
Most farm animals aren't designed to live without humans either

>>42722098
I believe it's mostly false-flaggers, I'm going to grad school soon so I probably will have to live off plants more so I come here for food ideas and nutrition, but it's always comprised of 99% idiots.

>>42721239
Don't pretend like your plate doesn't consist of 70% meat and 30% grain. Your diet isn't balanced, and even if it were, a """balanced""" diet that includes meat and dairy is still worse for you than a diet of just plant food.

>>42722148
i talk about the animals that are in such conditions, which is the vast majority of what is sold. There are just way too many people and too many of them dont care about the origins of the meat they eat.

>>42722254
You aren't helping if you don't eat meat. You help by eating the right meat.

>>42722211
>wide shoulders
>flat tit
just say no homo after you are done

>>42721990
>Nice blogs, bro.
Nice not reading bro.

>>42722210
>feral cats
Cats were still bred with predatory traits. That's why they hunt mice and birds and shit, which is why they can succeed with or without a "tribe". Domestic cows, chickens, and pigs are severely lacking in the defensive capabilities their wild counterparts have including communal survival. Again, false equivalence.

>the best option would be creating suitable environment for them to live in peace until they learn to readapt
Why would we do that? Even IF we had the resources for it, that would be better spent on alleviating the myriad of other problems humans face. Rendering the economic value of animals to 0 just to have good feels is not only insane but also inherently unethical from an anthrocentric stance.

>Probably only option is gradual ban of mass breeding of such animals.
Why even make it gradual? If we can't sustain what we have in the packed quarters of the meat industry, where is all the land support to let these animals die off freely by your standard? Why not just genocide them now instead of waiting 20 human lifetimes to get them to maybe possibly survive in a potential wild zone?

Or you know, stop being a trolling nigger

>>42721917
this is such a terrible argument.
letting a species die out on its own is much less morally wrong than continuing to breed them solely to commit acts of violence on them. Extinction might suck, but it's an end. Continuing to breed them continues their suffering.

>>42722323
No more suffering than what most animals face in nature

>>42722223
yeah, well i'm not saying that it is a good thing, factory farming. However lots of people just need an easy way to feel their kids something that will make they grow up tall and strong, and to them, it's an easy solution, especially with fussy kids, i don't think people should be outright condenmed for eating meat, more vegetables the better but even then eating meat a couple of times a week isn't bad in my books.

>>42722266
Yeah but with the population we have it will be hard to get organic meat for everyone so it would just be good on the individual level. It would be "better" if eating meat wasnt as encouraged, which would decrease the production of the non-organic meat. Im just waiting for that lab-created burger to hit the shops mayne

>>42722063
>supplements are bad for some reason

Jesus why are these threads always full of idiots arguing?

anyone watch any /vegan/ channels? been looking at sarah's vegan kitchen recently https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAbKLYEuTR1riockIgAWBiw, seems like she actually has food for people who don't want to eat like rabbits

also: does anyone here have low cholesterol? got my blood test back and my LDL and LDL% levels are too low. doc says this causes depression/suicidal thoughts, not sure how to get more cholesterol though.

>>42722318
>Why would we do that?
i wrote it isnt affordable, just the best possible scenario, if we were ever thinking of wanting to do any good to these animals as opposed to 'nah just keeping breeding my burgers it is too late and they like it anyway'.
>Why even make it gradual?
changes always work in small steps. sudden ban would create a bigger backlash.
>Or you know, stop being a trolling nigger
but y tho

>>42722323
So you're not a conservationist?

>>42722156
>b-but vegans can't be bite my delicious sandwich?

>Animals need to be free!
kek. Vegans are faggots.

>>42722373
sorry I meant HDL*

>>42722373
>got my blood test back and my LDL and LDL% levels are too low
>too low
Not possible to attain
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/optimal-cholesterol-level/

>>42722761
HDL*

>>42722373
>Jesus why are these threads always full of idiots arguing?
Because confronted with veganism, non-vegans are left with two options: Become vegan, which requires changing themselves and no longer engaging in an activity that provides them with sensual gratification, or not become vegan, and continue engaging in an activity that they know is morally wrong and causes innocent beings to suffer and die. People are disinclined to both of these options so they hide from the truth and try to come up with any excuses they can to defend their behavior.

>>42722148
Killing a conscious being without provocation is not treating them well.

>>42722373
>sarah's vegan kitchen
sarah is fat
i become vegan to lose weight while eating as much as i want

>>42722836
I'm vegan but purely for evidence-based health reasons. Nothing to do with animals.

>>42722851
It is when you allow them to live longer than they would have in the wild.If a group of aliens came up to you and offered you a much better life and they would allow you to live both healthier and twice as long as you would have otherwise but the only downside was that after you live to 180 years old they would eat you would you not take them on their offer?

>>42722896
>that after you live to 180 years old and SPEND THE ENTIRE TIME IN PRISON they would eat you
No

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>>42722896
>factory farming
>much better life
factory farming is hell on earth retard
and subhumans like you are the devils
pic related is your doing

>>42722896
>It is when you allow them to live longer than they would have in the wild.
Not true at all.
>If a group of aliens came up to you and offered you a much better life
>much better life
Living in a cage or a fence is not a much better fucking life.
>but muh comfort and ease of living cause they give me free food and water
Why the fuck are you on /fit/ if you have that pathetic of an outlook on life?
And to answer your question, no I fucking wouldn't take them up on their offer because I'd rather live free despite the challenges and risks (not only that, but embrace the challenges and risks and live a fulfilling life because of them) even if I die after a fucking year. I'd rather live a short meaningful life than a long meaningless life.

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>>42722896
>look at all these happy animals :)

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>>42722896
>muh much better life!

>>42721534
This. You can't cut vegan without losing everything. 160g of protein is pretty much baseline average for 1g/1lb lean body mass, unless you're a skelly or really massive.

>>42722995
>160g of protein is pretty much baseline average for 1g/1lb lean body mass
into the trash with your broscience

>>42722945
>Prison
Animals don't give a shit.

>>42722868
>Sarah
>fat
Check your glasses prescription

>>42723055
All conscious beings desire freedom and you fucking know that. Stop making fucking excuses. Either admit that you're complicit in the imprisonment and murder of innocent beings or go vegan. Those are your only options.

>>42722966
>Not true it all
It is faggot.
>>42722945
>Prison
You would rather live in a nice house with food than outside starving
>>42722967
They are dead anon, you are retarded.
>>42722991
>Look at this extreme example!
You are all retarded. Vegans are retarded.

>>42723067
>is shown with actual evidence how horribly animals are treated in the meat industry
>y-you are r-re-retarded

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>no matter how much vegans type up and post on the internet, no matter how valid their facts are, no matter how cruel it is to animals...

>I'm still going to eat animals and so will 90+% of the rest of the world
Top Kek, stop wasting your time OP, go clean your room + sort yourself out.

>>42723067
>It is faggot.
Nope, they are murdered at a fraction their natural lifespans.
>You would rather live in a nice house with food than outside starving
Animals imprisoned on farms are not kept in the equivilent of a 'nice house', and animals in nature are rarely 'starving'.
>They are dead anon, you are retarded.
The one on the end isn't yet, he's being murdered at the time the picture was taken.

>>42723095
>doesn't know how to greentext
Fuck off to [r]eddit.
>>I'm still going to eat animals and so will 90+% of the rest of the world
Nope. The planet can't sustain it much longer, so even if morality is a non-issue, humans will begin eating lab-grown meat and plant-based meat-like stuff.
Human society changes morally too. Once a big shift happens in the way society behaves, it sticks. The trick is making that shift happen. It's happened countless times throughout history and it will happen countless more.

>>42723085
One example doesn't mean every example. You can decide who you buy meat from.
>>42723097
>Fraction of
see >>42721977

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>>42723116
>beta virgin faggot vegan
>tells me to go back to r/eddit
kek. Was in green text because I was going to get a reaction face but Asperger King was much more relevant, in that you're an aspie.

>>42723095
i know people like to think other people are like them including IQ level but it's simply not true
i'm fairly sure 100% vegans in this thread were meat eaters, but they have sufficient IQ and open mindedness to change their lifestyle for something factually true
so maybe not you, but some others may

>>42723149
>aspie
you're so stupid you that's an insult?
also >projecting

>>42723122
>the typical lifespan of a domestic pig is 6 to 10 years
If not murdered, sure. Pigs raised for meat are murdered at a fraction that age. Are you really this fucking retarded?

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>>42723152
>hrr i have such a high IQ I spend my time trying to convince an anonymous group of people that are some of the most dedicated meat-eaters on the planet with high-protein diets and generally lower incomes in order to sway them to join my low-protein high-cost low-calorie cult.

>>42723122
there's literally a law to prevent people secretly recording the condition in factory farming because it's so horrid the company doesn't want public to know
you immoral bastard

>>42723224
>low-protein high-cost low-calorie
Are you retarded or trolling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vqIGTKuQE


How can meat eaters justify this?

>>42723243
I'm really glad /vag/ans are being contained in this thread and can't shit up the rest of the board.

>>42720889
Carbs carbs carbs carbs carbs. This is how skinnyfat was born.

>>42723267
They can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc2oizSsmUs
insistent meat eaters are weak willed subhumans afraid of facing the truth
i ask you corpse munchers to watch this movie in entirety and come back with a reason why we as a highly cultured creature continue to do this barbaric practice?
>inb4 "i don't care"
that means you're immoral subhuman
>>42723300
away with your broscience

>>42723300
This is what people ate before they invented the first spear. We don't have sharp teeth or claws and our sense of smell is shit. You wouldn't hunt anything without tools.

but I don't like vegetables

can I just eat fake tofurky made of turkey and be vegan that way?

>>42723342
>but I don't like vegetables
after around 3 weeks your taste bud will change to like em, scientifically proven
>can I just eat fake tofurky made of turkey and be vegan that way?
yes you can, and you'll save animals that way
but that food will make you fat and we want you to make it instead

>>42720862
who the fuck are making these godawful strawman comics?

>>42723502
>strawman
woah let's debate before claiming something

>>42722063

>supplement industry is fueled almost entirely by people who eat meat

You fuckers take FIBER supplements.

meat is tasty tho

>>42723185
>No source
Kek. Vegans are retarded.

>>42723538
rape is fun too

I see everyone arguing about what we would do with all the domesticated animals if we were to all become vegan. Well what if they just stopped breeding them and slaughtered the rest of what animals were left. I mean realizing that many mass produced animals would ruin ecosystems. I mean they weren't even bred to be real animals just to be pent up and eaten so it's not like if they just stopped existing the world would be that damaged. It would make the most sense anyway. Not that I can see it happening anytime soon but it woul probably be the best option. Also with the left over land can be continued to be farmed after all the destroyed fields are refilled with nutrient rich plants and made to be fertile again. I'm not vegan and I eat meat but to me this would be the best option. Meat seems like it turkey is out dated atleast for a developed country.

Also we can use the excess grain and beans and other vegetables to help support developing nations who have a struggle getting food. I know this will probably never happen but it would be cool.

>>42723581
Outdated not turkey wtf

>>42723558
stop b8ing ok, animals are butchered alive right this second

>>42723651
Yeah, but that is after they lived in a nice safe environment for a while.

>>42720862
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9267548
>Endogenous production of methanol after the consumption of fruit:
>After the consumption of fruit, the concentration of methanol in the human body increases by as much as an order of magnitude. This is due to the degradation of natural pectin (which is esterified with methyl alcohol) in the human colon. In vivo tests performed by means of proton-transfer-reaction mass spectrometry show that consumed pectin in either a pure form (10 to 15 g) or a natural form (in 1 kg of apples) induces a significant increase of methanol in the breath (and by inference in the blood) of humans. The amount generated from pectin (0.4 to 1.4 g) is approximately equivalent to the total daily endogenous production (measured to be 0.3 to 0.6 g/day) or that obtained from 0.3 liters of 80-proof brandy (calculated to be 0.5 g). This dietary pectin may contribute to the development of nonalcoholic cirrhosis of the liver.
Never eating fruit again. Pectin is also found in all vegetables, and is all metabolized into methanol in the digestive tract. Meat and animal products don't contain pectin.

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>>42723581
one can dream anon, one can dream

>>42723694
1 kg of apples is like a box of apples. Not one person is wearing a carton ofapples at a time. Apples weigh 70-100 grams. You'd have to eat ten apples to equal 1 kg and idk a person that does that. What kind of autistic study are you citing that talks about eating ten apples is bad for you. Of course eating a kg of apples isn't good for you. Neither is a kg of meat.

>>42723734
Wow I wish I had that kind of freedom

>>42723694
>Never eating fruit again
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11242471
>The conclusion of these studies is that a diet that adheres to the principles of the traditional Mediterranean one is associated with longer survival. The Greek version of the Mediterranean diet is dominated by the consumption of olive oil and by high consumption of vegetables and fruits. Antioxidants represent a common element in these foods and an antioxidant action provides a plausible explanation for the apparent benefits. Wild edible greens frequently eaten in rural Greece in the form of salads and pies contain very high quantities of flavonoids-- considerably higher than those found in red wine or black tea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942738/
>Meat consumption is consistently associated with diabetes risk.

continue and you'll die a slow painful death

>>42723694
abstract is very misleading. methanol is released slowly if you eat fruit, your body is more than well equipped to handle this load. this is very different from ingesting concentrated sources of methanol

>>42723502
buddy i don't think you understand what strawman means

>>42723766
>Apples weigh 70-100 grams
I used to track calories, and an average medium sized apple weighs out closer to ~130 grams, minus the core.And the apples in the study are just a metric, they also use pure pectin. The fact is, the more pectin you consume, the more methanol you will produce and have in your bloodstream. And the more plant product you consume, the more pectin you consume.
>>42723803
The point is "healthy" is a buzzword, and is "diet". If you were to take every study into account, you'd have to live on pure dihydrogen monoxide to avoid anything "unhealthy". I will continue eating everything and anything, like my old pops who's 70 years old and still can run marathons. Why haven't the eggs killed him, huh?
>>42723828
Except average methanol exhaled content is 4-7ppm, and eating more fruit immediately increases it. That's not misleading - more is worst.

>>42721553
most somatic cells in milk are white blood cells, so it's actually pretty accurate.
>the more you know

>finally find the fb profile of that qt pt from the gym who has been smiling at me and chatting now and then
>find out she's an insane vegan, posts vegan shit (mostly harsh things against meat eaters) almost weekly, gors to vegan protests and shit, etc
>I literally eat 500g of chicken and 6 eggs every day
W-we're all gonna make it r-right guys?
>also discover she's 100% single and plays classic piano
Hnng

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>>42721798

>>42721422
That's pretty fucking retarded my man

>>42723939
>someone makes thread for other vegans to discuss vegan lifestyle, and other vegan things
>curious people come in and tell vegans they are wrong

REEEEEE VEGANS LEAVE!!!!!!! >:(

>>42723916
i give you a study and you give me an anecdote?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/
>Vegetarian diets are associated with lower all-cause mortality and with some reductions in cause-specific mortality. Results appeared to be more robust in males

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
>In summary, vegetarians have consistently shown to have lower risks for cardiometabolic outcomes and some cancers across all three prospective cohorts of Adventists. Beyond meatless diets, further avoidance of eggs and dairy products may offer a mild additional benefit. Compared to lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets, vegan diets seem to provide some added protection against obesity, hypertension, type-2 diabetes; and cardiovascular mortality. In general, the protective effects of vegetarian diets are stronger in men than in women.

>>42723916
>Except average methanol exhaled content is 4-7ppm, and eating more fruit immediately increases it.
.. and eating no fruit or veggies decreases it, almost to zero. The point is that your body is able to handle this typical amounts without issues. Evidence is that fruit consumption actually seems to protect against various liver problems, including cirrhosis. Maybe the methanol is a problem, but this is outweighed by the positive effects

>>42723982
Now post a study on incidents of nonalcoholic cirrhosis of the liver in vegetarians. Also, post a pic of your current body - lets see what your studies have gotten you.

>>42723976
>thread for other vegans to discuss vegan lifestyle
>first 5 posts are directed at people who eat meat

>>42723916
I used to eat a lot of meat but had terrible intestinal problems, So I started eating more greens and fruit and feel 300% better.

>>42724010
Yeah more for people who are thinking about veganism or curious. The rage comic is retarded but the other stuff is just showing reasons to change. I'm not even vegan I'm literally eating chicken soup and I can understand those posts. Don't have get your feelings hurt over them.

>>42724009
>Now post a study on incidents of nonalcoholic cirrhosis of the liver in vegetarians.
wut? lost you there
instead of nitpicking something you don't understand, above studies have proven that in total vegan results is more longevity
>Also, post a pic of your current body - lets see what your studies have gotten you.
why don't you post yours first? why does vegan always have to be the one who prove their body, huh fatty?

>>42724061
I've no issue with people having a discussion about veganism, just the retarded comics like that and useless posts like >>42720978.

>>42722063
>everyone should supplement vitamin d
>nobody has a healthy diet
logic checks out

>>42724108
we have issue you slashing animals throat
this comic is ironically specifically you right now >>42720911

>>42723522
I always kek hard when I think about some cuck buying fiber supplements to at least meet the measly 30 grams daily recommendation. I don't even know how it's possible to eat that little. I get almost 130-140 grams of fiber just eating normally.

>>42724064
>lost you there
The abstract says "This dietary pectin may contribute to the development of nonalcoholic cirrhosis of the liver".
>why does vegan always have to be the one who prove their body
I don't have anything to prove, especially to you. And because you're all rats. How about you describe you level of fitness instead, you vegan rat, if you're too scared to post your body.

>>42724108
it's just fun, mate. no need to get your panties rustled

>>42724108
Yeah the harshness of vegans does turn me away a bit. I've tried changing but being scrutinized by everyone when I just mention not eating meat because I'm like those annoying vegans is pretty agitating. But the same from the vegans is too so I'm just at a loss of trying anymore.

Can someone here please red pill me on wheat gluten?
Yeah, it's lower quality than regular animal meat, but it's ridiculously cheap, 1kg of protein(yes, actual protein, not just total weight) costs around 7-8 dollars, that's really fucking cheap.

1kg of vital wheat gluten flour has 800g of protein in it.
Plain regular wheat flour has around 200-300g of wheat gluten for each 1kg of total flour, which should ammount to around 200g of protein, and 1kg of regular flour is dirt cheap too.

Does anyone here use this in their diets?
I would go vegan but I can't handle eating legumes, not even lentils, without getting massive diarrhea. I can handle grains like wheat and all breads just fine though.

>>42724200
is it really so harsh to say that it's wrong to kill needlessly?

>>42724185
>The abstract says "This dietary pectin may contribute to the development of nonalcoholic cirrhosis of the liver".
you're nitpicking a single compound, there's billions kind of compounds interplaying in human body, but overall vegan diets produce more longevity
>I don't have anything to prove, especially to you.
sure fatty, all the other overweight, obese corpse munchers has helped you
>And because you're all rats.
woah woah easy there
>How about you describe you level of fitness instead, you vegan rat, if you're too scared to post your body.
you're surely fat, go vegan to lose weight

>>42724131
If it makes you feel any better the animals i eat are shot in the head first

>>42724254
>I would go vegan but I can't handle eating legumes, not even lentils, without getting massive diarrhea.
You gotta work upto it, mate. Eat small portions first. When your gut flora adapts most of the farty-poopy problems go away.

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>>42720862
>Meat eaters ITT every time

Oh look, yet ANOTHER thread where vegans get unequivocally BTFO and shit up the board!

Better glycemic control and less need for type 2 diabetes medication through a low carb diet
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2633336/

Studies unable to conclude that red meat increases colorectal cancer:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20663065

Eggs are not bad for you:
>http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/189529
>http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8539

Some vegetarian diets lead to a higher risk of heart disease:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2017-07-18-some-types-of-vegetarian-diet-can-raise-heart-disease-risk/

No difference in long term mortality between health conscious vegans and meat eaters:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8842068

Largest study ever proving that vegans do not live longer than meat eaters:
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743516304479

Vitamin and nutrient deficiencies from a vegan diet
>https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/176565
>http://www.jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf
>http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/17657359
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10584048
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19678968
>https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/influence-of-creatine-supplementation-on-the-cognitive-functioning-of-vegetarians-and-omnivores/E2D37729902DDFA6CFC85767AD0421FC

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

>>42721220
Time stamp pleass

>>42724277
>If it makes you feel any better the animals i eat are shot in the head first
keep deluding yourself that, you're a weak willed subhuman afraid of facing reality, too cowardice to face consequence of own action
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=animals+slaughterhouses

>>42724331
And lastly...

Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/

Reminder that you literally can not disprove any of these.

>>42724257
It's not that. There's a feeling of superiority when it comes to some vegans. Like they look at you and just get mad. Kinda how people look at smokers now a days. If it were me as the vegan I would befriend people and slowly try and show them with kindness and friendship. However some people just think they are the best because they don't eat animals. Like I understand it's terrible but when I get yelled at because I grew up in a meat eating family and old habits die hard it just disgusts me. I once tried to conversate with a vegan because I wanted to know more and what they eat and they thought I was making fun of them but I was generally curious and wanted to know more about being vegan. They got mad after I tried relating and said my dad and step mother are vegetarian and literally said how cool it was for her to be vegan and stick with it unlike me, who has tried and failed many times. Maybe I'm just a retard but I was being sincere and still got bitched at

>>42724343
you're the red one >>42720911

>>42724343
I know there are vegans who are terrible for veganism because the way they try to proselytize is very counterproductive. Maybe you had a bad experience and the vegans you talked to were dicks to you, but you have to realize that the way some people act have nothing to do with the idea behind veganism. Sometimes the dicks are right, despite being dicks

>>42720978
>meat cuck

Arent like vegans usually the dudes getting their girlfriends slopped while they're at work

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>>42720862
>>42721273
>cholesterol
>bad
is this the 00s??
>implying having a high carb diet is healthy
how do you think that people ate before the agricultural revolution? it were impossible to get this much carbs back then
our bodies evolved eating a high protein and fat diet, urbanite

>>42720862
>several generations of rearing and killing livestock in an ethical fashion
>higher species just kills us halal style anyway

>>42720862
>that pic

I don't love all animals. I downright hate some of them. I love dogs and cats.

>>42724314
Might have something to do with vegans coming to the second most meat loving board behind /y/ and trying to make a safe space. Trying to promote discussion is one thing, but these threads literally start with vegans bashing meat eaters and posting straw man comics rather than actually discussing veganism. I came to learn and instead got a frontrow seat to a witch burning and circle jerk.

>>42724422
In general I don't really give a shit about animals (or people) desu, but I'm still vegan. Giving a shit isn't a requirement. I understand it's wrong to kill needlessly, even if I don't care for the individuals being killed.

>>42724433
glad you're here, this comic is about you >>42720911

>>42724383
This is what I mean. I understand meat is terrible and it's a horrid system and I'm making more animal friendly choices some days I don't eat any meat or animal products but for some people it's not as easy to just switch. I honestly feel in comfortable eating meat and knowing what I'm eating is basically just factory slaughtered animals who live terrible lives. Everyday I try my best to not eat meat but constantly being venerated by By both sides is agitating and you're proving my point more. It's hard when you go out with friends and look at the menu to see that it's all meat except for a nice plate of buttered mashed potatoes and green beans cooked in pork or with bacon. Yeah maybe I'm not so strong willed to just stop 100% eating meat but I put the effort in. I eat it less and I'm more conscious about what I'm eating. You reinforce my idea of berating vegans by name calling and comparing me to an autistic comic.

>>42724422
>I don't love all animals.
i'm vegan, neither am i
>I downright hate some of them.
you mean like mosquitoes and bed bugs? i hate them too
meanwhile cows, pigs, chickens, fish have never done any harms to any humans in the history of the universe ever so i don't see why

>I wont even drink milk or eat eggs because that's ANIMAL RAPE
Kek.

>>42724498
Just curious but would you eat predatory animals in that case? As in ones that could/would kill humans

>>42724314
>Thread specifically trying to insult meat eaters with their retarded logic
>Get mad when Vegans get BTFO

>>42724515
milk and egg production is far crueler than meat
>>42724530
only if they try to eat me
i try to kill anyone try to kill me, human or animals

>>42724473
You have to admit, the comic is spot on.

You understand that it's wrong to eat meat, but you feel that people are personally attacking you by telling you that it's wrong.

You're not being attacked at all, you just feel attacked because there's an internal conflict between your beliefs and your actions.

You are unwilling to take next step to veganism only because you think it would be a slight inconvenience in your everyday life.

>>42724547
awnser me you retatd>>42724419

>>42721072
Thanks for the laugh.

>>42724555
Yeah too true I'm just saying the vegans I've talked to in real life have gotten mad when I ask questions about being vegan. Not questions like why don't you eat meat but like what food do you eat and just general curiosity. I always preface with I would like to be vegan and want to know more. All of them get offended and think I'm making fun of them and play some weird victim role. It's also people I've known and have been fine when I talk to them about anything else but the moment I ask what's a good replacement for eggs or something I get bitches at.

>>42724331
>>42724339
Still no refutations despite vegans still posting ITT.

>>42724419
not the guy from those posts but ok
>is this the 00s??
it's 2017, animal products cause atherosclerosis, case close, final, done.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
>how do you think that people ate before the agricultural revolution? it were impossible to get this much carbs back then
our bodies evolved eating a high protein and fat diet, urbanite
fruits
humans are frugivores

>>42724621
idk, maybe they don't like talking about it, despite the meme "haha don't worry they'll tell you"

>>42724634
There is no causal link to animals established in your study
>humans are frugivores
You are so fucking retarded it hurts my brain

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>>42724634
>it's 2017, animal products cause atherosclerosis, case close, final, done.
ok, just ignore hundreds of articles showing me that one

>frugivores
are you actually serious? fruits didnt have the amout of carbs/sugar they have today, the sweest fruit in the old times was sweet as a modern carrot

pic related, how natural watermelon was, its a painting from the 1600

there is no way a large group of humans could survive eating only fruits

>>42724622
you win by pasting truckload of pasta bro
one of rare occurences autism to be useful
but whatever you say, vegan diet is the healthiest one
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
>The use of indexing systems, estimating the overall diet quality based on different aspects of healthful dietary models (be it the US Dietary Guidelines for Americans or the compliance to the Mediterranean Diet) indicated consistently the vegan diet as the most healthy one

>>42724671
you're a pleb, can't even do scientific banter, i suggest to watch the thread and learn, please don't shitpost

>>42721325
So they stop breeding them and slaughter the remaining ones. Are you really that stupid?

>>42724634
>>42724671
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0134116
Since we can gain chemical energy from both plant and animal products, we are omnivores.
You have virtually no idea about how nutrition works. Never post here again.

>>42724690
damn im spelling like a retard

>>42724671
>eat no animal products, get almost no atherosclerosis
>eat animal products, get atherosclerosis very often
>no causal link
hmm...

>>42724701
>Since we can gain chemical energy from both plant and animal products, we are omnivores.
by this definition, almost every animal is an omnivore

>>42724701
the link here >>42724634 says:
>Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.
>>42724690
read above as well

>>42724663
Guess not man

>>42724707
Correlation is not causation

do i really have to teach you scientific logic?

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>>42720874
>peta2

Kill yourself

>>42724734
alright, i'll play, what's your alternative explanation to this mere correlation

>>42724694
>truckload of pasta
*truckload of studies. Getting hit right in the axioms hurts, doesn't it?
Wow, a SINGLE study that claims veganism to be the healthiest diet! Perhaps you'd like to refer to all my other studies which outnumber yours?
>can't even do scientific banter
Please refer to >>42724701
We can literally survive by gaining chemical energy and nutrients from animal and plant products. If we were frugivores, we would simply die due to malnutrition if we ate animal products. Actually kill yourself you retard.
>>42724720
>vegans in charge of reading comprehension
>>42724728
>omnivores have traits of carnivores and herbivores
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES NOW!

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>>42724728
>pic related
really makes me think
>>42724743
doesnt matter. we have no proofs.
do i really have to teach you scientific logic?

>>42724531
Who said I'm mad? You may be projecting there a bit friendo, may want to get that cortisol checked :^)

>>42724734
>Atherosclerosis causes meat eating
Hahaha god damn dude how do you even get dressed in your own? Hahahahahaha

>>42724748
>>42724765
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1849886/
if this doesn't shut you up, i don't know what
>Lowering serum total cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol levels decreases first and repeat atherosclerotic events and decreases plaque size.
>Because humans get atherosclerosis, and atherosclerosis is a disease only of herbivores, humans also must be herbivores.

>>42724734
>eat normal diet
>get atherosclerosis
>change nothing but cut out animals products
>atherosclerosis reversed
CORRELATION IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING

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>Not eating meat

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>>42724433
So hide it you triggered Tumblerina faggot

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>>42724825

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>>42724839
if you really like meat so much you can eat my dick instead and let the cute animals live

>>42724433
>straw man
>>42723886

>>42724852
i heard a rumor that if you eat meat long enough, raw eggwhites come out the end of it

>>42724814
there is hundreds of articles that blames meat on atherosclerosis and hundreds that dont, i dont know what you meant by that
>>42724821
brainlets on my board gtfo

>>42723267
I don't, the best animal produce is gotten from wild game and open air raised animals.
Everyone who pays even a little attention to what they eat knows that.
This is not an argument against eating meat.

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>>42724873
it's vegan egg whites too
offers applied to all meat munchers here

>>42724821
To be fair, cutting animal products means cutting 99% of fast food and junk food and eating fucktons of fruit and veggies to get enough cals

>>42724852
>Doesn't eat meat
>Thinks he will convince us that he has a penis

>>42724883
>there is hundreds of articles that blames meat on atherosclerosis and hundreds that dont, i dont know what you meant by that
please link one, that says this "meat doesn't cause atherosclerosis", complete with causation
have to be from scientific website, don't post from mom and pops nutrition website, we've seen enough of your retardation here

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>>42724935
hnnnnnng.... meat munchers so masculine
i'll offer my cock for the sake of animals

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>>42724991

>>42724991
Ok, so then I guess I will just kill all those animals at farms then so they don't get eaten.

>>42724957
http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/6/e010401.full

journal explainin the same article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/06/12/high-cholesterol-does-not-cause-heart-disease-new-research-finds/


no one, mine or yours, of these articles have a complete causation, otherwise we would have a final opinon on the subject, witch we dont have

>>42722169
>>42722457
couple comedians round here

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>>42724267
>fatty
No, pic related. Now post yours.
>go vegan to lose weight
A caloric restriction is all you need to lose weight, diet is irrelevant. All those studies and yet you still spout complete and utter bullshit.

Baseless fallacies. As expected, you don't even have an argument, and can only spam abstracts. Do you think that just because a study agrees with your mental illness, that it constitutes a valid argument?

>>42725102
>systematic study of existing studies
>only correlates with mortality instead of atherosclerosis
>doesn't exclude patient with life prolonging drugs
try again or kys
>>42725147
>not fatty
>can only show arm instead of abs
pffffffffftttt
>A caloric restriction is all you need to lose weight, diet is irrelevant.
enough of your rural hicks theory, this game is out of your mental level capacity

>vegans still calling people meat-eaters
I'm not the one excluding something from my diet, you are. I'm an omnivore.

>>42725222
no one gives a fuck about atherosclerosis, if its not mortality related then it doesnt matter
stop talking about atherosclerosis in every post

>>42725262
read this to find your identity >>42724814
if you still think you're omnivore, then you're no different than sjw mtf tranny

>>42725102
this is actually interesting, thanks for the link.
afaik low cholesterol increases the risk and severity of some infectious diseases, i think this might explain the results. maybe eating animal products and having low cholesterol is actually a worse combination that eating animal products and having high cholesterol

>>42725305
i forgot to add that the study of course has zero to do with veganism, as there wasn't a vegan group. vegans fare a lot better with infections, vegan with low cholesterol is probably fine, but feel free to link if you ahve a study on this

>>42725222
>enough of your rural hicks theory, this game is out of your mental level capacity
Another baseless fallacy that demonstrates complete ignorance of trivial laws of thermodynamics, not mention ATP cycle and biology. Clearly, you can only namedrop semi-relevant studies - not an argument.
>still no pic
Hello vegan rat. Must be fun larping about how healthy you are while being a rat twig. I bet 100% that you're not even athletic.

>>42725339
>post body!
>post arm instead
keep boasting fatty
>healthy
>fatty arm
i swear to god fucking hicks

>>42725378
Post your arm, faggot. Post anything to prove even a semblance of athleticism.

>>42725339
>>42725378
>name-calling

>>42725299
>equating people eating both meat and fruits/vegetables to being a sjw mtf tranny

>>42725404
That's pretty much the average vegan's argument, as evidenced by this thread.

>>42720862
Animals lives don't matter. All that really matters it that humanity endures. That can be managed without giving up meat. Frankly most human lives don't matter either. Yours for instance.

>>42725734
hard to argue with such a well thought out philosophy

>>42720862
Itt: somehow plants aren't living beings that you kill to eat

>>42725914
im sorry for murdering so many grapes this year :((((

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b-12, get your b-12 here!

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>>42720862
Go to north Korea where almost everyone also eats grass,like you op.

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>>42720862
> PETA

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/whistleblower-peta-employee-allegations_b_6648696.html

>>42722352
Yes because if you have to take them it means your diet is deficient

>>42721976
Except those slaves don't have to work, are kept well-fed, disease-free and have basically nothing to worry about in their lives

>>42726197
>>42724121

what will vegans meme about once single-cell protein and lab-grown meat become readily available and accessible to the public?

>>42726244
if that stops all animal exploitation, nothing

>>42721990
as opposed to fucking infographics from fucking peta, full of "one study shows!" claims with no link to such studies?

>>42726280
>inb4 'stop torturing bacteria!'

>>42721273

>bulking on lentils

Vegan here. It's a bitch.

>>42726284
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
one paper to rule them all

>>42726292
Why is it ok to flush thousands of bacteria down the drain each time you wash your hands?
Why is the value of life completely arbitrary and "muh feels" to deluded vegans?
Why do vegans claim to be helping animals when petty each and every vegan contributes to the decline of nature and its species by participating in a modern society and using up environmentally harmful resources like oil, fuel, and electricity?
Why are vegan contributing to the decline of the planet by buying and using consumerist technology like smartphones, which use non-renewable resources like lithium, and are manufactured by impoverish humans in third world countries who can have worst living conditions than farm animals?
Why are vegans such spewing hypocritical pieces of shit who care more about an ideology than putting their phones down, packing up, and living off the grid in the woods sustainably and actually helping the planet?
That's what veganism is, a feel-good ideology that ultimately helps nothing and no one. You cannot claim to care about animal welfare while simultaneously taking electricity and water off the grid.

>>42726410
>Why is it ok to flush thousands of bacteria down the drain each time you wash your hands?
bacteria are not sentient
>Why is the value of life completely arbitrary and "muh feels" to deluded vegans?
you don't even know what you're arguing against. veganism isn't "valuing life"

>>42726432
>bacteria are not sentient
They are still alive.
>veganism isn't "valuing life"
Animal "cruelty" is literally the main point. More people care about that then health, even vegans.

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I eat meat because it tastes good and I don't care about the suffering of others, why should I stop?

>>42726516
>They are still alive.
yeah, so what?
>Animal "cruelty" is literally the main point. More people care about that then health, even vegans.
Sure, valuing *animal* life. You know, sentient life.

>>42726552
if you don't care about living an ethical life, or your own health, there are no vegan arguments that will convince you

>>42726579
You can't claim to value any form of life if you participate in modern society. Jut shut up, hypocrite.

>>42726600
/comfy/

>>42726614
that's bullshit buddy

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Sounds cool
But meat is so fucking good

Sorry

Really

>>42726793
you like what you eat and you eat what you like. your tastes adjust.

>>42726600
>or your own health, there are no vegan arguments that will convince you
Because dietary meme arguments are shit and meat is healthy.

>>42726834
meat is actually very healthy for you if you're starving

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>>42726821

How could this not objectively taste super fucking good

>>42723300
>carbs are bad

>>42722098

This. I am never not surprised at the level of distain and venom spat at you, or the level of condescension (fuck, the Vegans should take control to the Olympics as a new event), if you so much as ask a question they don't like. If I was a genuine seeker, that would be what scares me off.

>>42726952
>blue steak
fuck off

>>42724634
> animal products cause atherosclerosis, case close, final, done.
That's a myth. The reason why "meat consumption" is correlated with bad cardiovascular health is because of the vegetable oils these meats are fried in like canola, sunflower and other similar oils. Meat prepared in pretty much any other way is not correlated to any heart disease.

It's the fucking vegetable oils (olive and coconut excluded) that are terribly unstable and do a lot of free radical damage to the cardiovascular disease. Your "proof" is nothing but a case of unexplained correlation.

>>42720862
If aliens rounded us up and were eating us, we would rebel, because we're smart and sentient enough to do so. Animals are not, they're not sentient in the sense that we are, they aren't ALIVE in the sense that we are. They don't feel pain in the sense that we feel pain. We can understand our pain, articulate it, recall it, write poetry about it. What does an animal do? BAAAAAHHHHHH MOOOOOO OINK OINK BIX NOOD. Wtf is that retarded shit? Subjugation is their rightful place, so that we may prevail and reach the stars. We are the species this corner of the universe has chosen to colonize other celestial bodies.

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>>42729635
>to the cardiovascular disease.
sht, I meant "to the cardiovascular system"

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>>42729645

Vegans if all humans followed a vegan diet how do you suppose we feed the many millions of cats and dogs that we have as pets? They are carnivores

>>42723341
This is what veganism does to your brain

>>42720862
>vegan is a pussy ass bitch begging for his life
>meat eater is logical and calm
Wow a vegan propoganda comic that's true to real life

>vegan ""people"" need to resort to hypothetical meme images to justify their ways
Oh and btw, if aliens were to come here and eat humans, I think aliens would be BTFO to hell and beyond, by yours truly meat eating non-vegan real men. Ever wonder why we eat cows and other gay ass animals and not lions ? Because they fight back. Watch your back vegans