Finally, it's all coming together now.

Mine is a morgue in a garden

>IS YOUR REFRIGERATOR a COMPOST HEAP or a PASTURE?

i don't event eat meat but this kind of vegan rhetoric sure russels my jiminies

I freeze my meat, is that better?

both

>>42702192
>Finally, it's all coming together now.
VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

So-called 'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies from malnutrition. That's why vegancucks don't make sense, their brains don't work correctly anymore. People I've known who were vegan then gave it up and went back to eating animal products regularly showed positive changes in their personalities and started being able to think more clearly again.

Vegans brains are so addled that they think you can raise an INFANT as vegan and expect it to be healthy and develop properly -- which it will NOT. Any pediatrician will tell you that you should not feed a baby a strict vegetarian diet, it will sicken, fail to develop, fail to thrive, and ultimately DIE. Pediatricians who encounter parents who insist, against all professional medical advice, in feeding their infant a Vegan diet, are reported to the police and to Child Protective Services, because it is legally considered CHILD ABUSE. What does THAT tell you?

Face it, vegancucks: humans are OMNIVORES, even many vegans admit it, and your meme 'lifestyle' is anti-health, anti-HUMAN, and exists as a political statement more than anything else, erroneously placing dumb lower animals above humans, which is pants-on-head stupid.

More evidence that Veganism is a LIE and actually hurts humans in the long run:
Veganism DESTROYS the fitness of pro athletes
https://blog.bulletproof.com/carl-lewis-vegan/

>>42702217
why is that vegan rhetoric and not just no meat rhetoric

>>42702241
where did you get this bait copypasta from

>>42702192
The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this was the rotten cantaloupes in my crisper drawer.

>>42702192
both involve the killing of a living organism

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Doesn't matter if I eat meat or vegetables. In the end it all turns to shit

>>42702192
But both are dead? It doesn't make sense. To be comparable it should be is your fridge a morgue or a compost heap or some shit?

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>>42702466

>>42702466
>KILL EM WENDY

How I eat:
>Monday: Lamb
>Tuesday: Beef
>Wednesday: Pork
>Thursday: Chicken
>Friday: Turkey
>Saturday: Fish
>Sunday: Dinner at Parents
No shame, I like meat.

>>42702206
>This

>>42702241
I'm not usually one to bite the bait, but the irony is truly special in this one. Fossil fuels are primarily from plant materials.

On one last note: veganism is about trying to reasonably avoid harming animals.

>B-b-but museum fossils are m-made out of...

May fall outside of reason.

>>42702466
Finally

>>42702192
The plants are just as dead as the animals though.

>>42702241
Fossil fuels do not come from animals, but mostly from algae biomass

>>42702559
>Eat raw plants

Oh wow I feel great

>Eat raw meat

I have worms and I can't stop puking

Really fires up the neurons.

>>42702466
Wendy, isn't that super harsh?

>>42702652
not an argument

>>42702652
Good job side stepping his point, retard.

I don't care if animals die.
I don't really care if humans die.
Everything dies.
I don't think we should eat humans because I see it as a risk for my own safety.
I don't give a fuck if a chicken suffers and dies.
I want to eat good tasting foods.

>>42702559
i'm eating an apple right now. is the apple dead?

>>42702723
>i choose to base my life around fear and decadence instead of ethics

>>42702747
Not what I said at all. Good job mate.
Are you the arbiter of decadence?
Decadence is eating only plants because you're so pussyfied by "morals".

So called ''vegans'' pretend that them not eating animal products makes up for all the animals they kill when they buy soy, sugar, paper, oil and plastic and any other products that directly kill animals as a result of habitat destruction.

>>42702192
wtf i hate meat now

>>42702246
lets not get bogged down in semantics now you cringing autist

>>42702832
>i have no understanding of ethics

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>>42702507
>Eating pork
ABSOLUTELY HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH

>>42702885
>I don't use animal products because they harm animals, which is unethical
>But eating plants is fine, irrespective of the thousands of deaths caused by harvesting said plants
>And using products that wipe out entire rain forest populations of animals and humans alike is fine
Vegans, everybody. Either killing animals is fine or it isn't. Choose.

>>42702918
i refer you to >>42702885

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>>42702192
my fridge is empty because I eat powdered bullshit since I'm apparently smart enough to count calories but not nutrients, but since I threw in 16:8 intermittent fasting I feel kinda okay, also started drinking coffee and teas because I'm not allowed alcohol.

>>42702937
Why is the life of a plant worth less than the life of an animal?

>>42702909
>Dr,Axe

Nice source

>>42702918
>we can never minimize suffering to the point where it is nonexistent for every single living being to ever exist at any time
>therefore its okay to maximize suffering of whatever creature I like (cows, pigs, chickens)

hmm okay, Satan

>>42702946
whats the point of adding that picture? what does it mean? why did you choose that picture?

>>42702909
gives immunity against muslims

>>42702965
it's picture of hunger devouring me in my first days, you don't like pictures?

>>42702964
>I have no real argument so I type my straw man argument like this

>>42702909
yes, raw pork is very dangerous. luckily humans have found some sort of way to "cook" meat. I think that's the word.

>>42702964
>slitting the throat of an animal
>>>>>>>>>>maximise suffering
It is literally the fastest, most efficient way to kill an animal bar blowing their heads off with a 12 gauge.

>>42702990
thats way too deep to get from a picture.. I like pictures, but if they tasted good and had high nutritional value, i would kill and eat them.

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>>42703003
>suffering = how you die
>one cannot suffer while living for years before dying

>>42702241
tl;dr
You're a faggot
>>42702466
Godspeed Wendy.

>>42702960
I just chose this pic because it's a pic and it's mostly correct.
>>42702968
Eat completely lean pork then, that's a lot safer.
>>42702992
Cooking something rid it of all toxins, if it did it would also get rid of beneficial nutrients.

>>42703041
Cooking something *doesn't rid it of all toxins ...

>>42703021
>Significantly limiting the capabilities of your body because muh animulhs
Name three (3) reasons why I should care

Where do vegans draw the line between life that's okay to eat and not okay to eat.

Plants are a form of life.
Do you only care about life that is similar to your own species?
All animals and plants share the same DNA which is basically a code of only 4 'letters' which code for the same amino acids from which all proteins are made.
The mechanism by which sugars are oxidised to release their energy (respiration) is almost universal.

It seems to me that you have some sort of bias of not eating something that is visually comparable to humans.

>>42703064
>Significantly limiting the capabilities of your body because muh animulhs
>Name three (3) reasons why I should care

>Significantly limiting your enjoyment of sex because muh rape victims
>Name three (3) reasons why I should care

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>>42703064
>Yeah I'm immoral, so what? What's wrong with doing immoral things as long as I personally enjoy it?

>>42702241
This. Sad that all the mentally ill vegan retards are getting butthurt from facts!

>>42703091
Plants are not sentient.

>>42703091
it's about sentience. plants aren't sentient. some animals are probably also not sentient and many vegans would be okay eating those animals

>>42703103
Human beings have rights, animals don't. Therefore rape is immoral, but eating cheese and meat is not.
>>42703108
>according to MY moral standards you are IMMORAL!!!!!!!
Blow it out your ass

>>42703141
>Human beings have rights, animals don't. Therefore rape is immoral, but eating cheese and meat is not.
what do you mean by rights? are you talking about the law?

>>42703131
>>42703124
Animals aren't sentient the way humans are.

So, vegans have a problem with eating things that have nerves that fires electrical impulses to produce chemical reactions?

>>42703160
>Animals aren't sentient the way humans are.

Elaborate.

>>42703147
No, the complex agreements that make up modern society. Your right to free speech is my obligation to allow you to speak your mind freely with minimal interference, and vice-versa. Animals cannot shoulder obligations, therefore they cannot participate in rights.

>>42703178
the severely mentally retarded also cannot shoulder any obligations, is it ok to murder and eat them?

>>42703176
>Elaborate.

Animals aren't able to elaborate on things, like humans are.
In other words, they don't know shit about what's going on.
And if the only requirement is that they also have nerves that fire electrical impulses to produce chemical reactions, then if we were to breed animals that lacked the ability for nerves to fire electrical impulses, would it then be okay to eat those animals?

>>42703160
>Animals aren't sentient the way humans are.
Don't cows seek to avoid pain and suffering?

>>42703192
Which is why we prevent them from entering free society and institutionalise them so as to ensure they don't harm anyone or themselves. We limit their rights i.e. their rights to buy guns, their rights to free movement, liberty, privacy etc. We do the same to children too.
Their rights exist, but are limited and they are treated accordingly to those rights.

>>42703176
Its like how you know porn when you see it but its hard to describe what makes porn, porn. No animal will ever be tried for murder or theft or anything so there is definitely a line somewhere even if its hard to draw out

>>42703216
>You have to be able to speak and explain something using human language to be considered sentient.

Says who? Your made up definition that's convenient for you now? That's not the common understanding of the definition of sentience.

>Would vegans be okay with completely brainless meat grown in a jar

Yes, and it's already a thing.

>>42703221
>Don't cows seek to avoid pain and suffering?
Do anyone really have free will?
Aren't we all just chemical reactions?

>>42703243
I'm not saying animals should have the rights to buy guns, what are you talking about. I'm talking about the right to not be tortured and murdered needlessly.

>>42703253
Why the fuck do you keep making your own points to argue against?
There is a big difference between "meat grown in a jar" and an animal that just can't feel anything.
What if, get this, we were to breed animals, let them run in fields, safely from other predators, let them fuck and enjoy life with all feelings, then put a painless pill in their food which turns off their nerves, then kill and eat them?

>>42703285
>What if, get this, we were to breed animals, let them run in fields, safely from other predators, let them fuck and enjoy life with all feelings, then put a painless pill in their food which turns off their nerves, then kill and eat them?
Would you accept this treatment for yourself to be moral?

>>42703285
I'm not making up points to argue against, your argument is that you must be able to elaborate on an idea to be sentient. That isn't true. That's your made up definition that isn't what the definition of sentient is.

>then put a painless pill in their food which turns off their nerves, then kill and eat them?

Can I do that to you?

>>42703267
You mentioned the mentally disabled not me. They have diminished rights, and we treat them accordingly. Animals have no capacity to shoulder obligations, and as such they have no rights, and they are treated accordingly. They have been selectively bred for centuries to make them the most efficient supplies of milk, eggs and meat. To the point that not milking cows would cause significant pain and eventually death as they produce more milk than their calves can drink. Not consuming animal products would lead to the extinction of at least some animal species.

>>42702909
Fuck off, Mohammed

>>42703293
>Would you accept this treatment for yourself to be moral?
Sure, why not. Give and take. Yin yang.
We ensure the continuation of their species and we get some return for our investment.

>>42703041
Luckily your body can easily deal with those ''very scary'' toxins

>>42703320
>I'm okay with being killed and eaten

Now you're just being intellectually dishonest. Not surprising.

>>42703305
Why does it matter if an animal is sentient?
It's still not our species, they're not human.

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>>42702192
TRICK QUESTION!
Full Organic Permaculture Garden is the way to go!

>>42703319
>mfw am not racist
>mfw don't get offended by dickwads calling me Mohammed
>>42703325
>Not knowing anything about the digestive system

>>42703334
Why does it matter that we're human? Does that tiny difference in dna and a bigger frontal lobe justify going from severe punishments for murder to actually celebrating murder?

>>42703334
Because you can easily apply the same logic and justify owning and murdering anyone based on successively smaller pools of individuals.

You're not my countryman, you're not from the same city as me, you may not be the same race as me, you're not in my immediate family so why should I care about you? It's called empathy. I just do care about you and I don't want you to suffer, I can't imagine being different.

>>42703331
If I were to make a deal with someone, that for instance I get 300 million dollars and after 50 years they could painlessly kill and eat me, then sure.
Animals aren't capable to give any sort of consent because their cognitive ability is not highly developed.
Comparing humans and animals is weird because we're different.

Is the vegan argument only "Animals are sentient"?
Like this means anything?
Why does it matter if they are sentient?
>Humans are sentient and animals are sentient, therefore we shouldn't eat animals!
What?

>>42703356
Does a lion ostracize another lion for eating an zebra?

>>42703395
Are you aspiring to be as smart and as ethical in life as a lion?

>>42702466
I LOVE YOU WENDY

>>42703391
>If I were to make a deal with someone, that for instance I get 300 million dollars and after 50 years they could painlessly kill and eat me, then sure

That's fine, but you get to make that choice. You're just assuming a cow would make the same choice you would.

>Animals aren't capable to give any sort of consent because their cognitive ability is not highly developed.

Is that a justification for killing and eating them? Because babies and mentally disabled people can't 'give consent' either. Therefore fair game? We can kill?

>>42703356
>Why does it matter that we're human?
Because it's our race and our biological purpose is to reproduce and ensure the continuation of our species.
>Does that tiny difference in dna and a bigger frontal lobe justify going from severe punishments for murder to actually celebrating murder?
I haven't seen anyone celebrating murder of animals.
If you watch ancient tribes that hunt down animals, they pray to "gods" and pay respects to the animal before they kill it.
I don't feel that is celebrating murder. Nor do I feel that some bored out of his mind slaughter house worker is celebrating killing animals.

>>42703359
>Because you can easily apply the same logic and justify owning and murdering anyone based on successively smaller pools of individuals.
Really?
So, you're afraid that the government is going to start killing and eating black people?

>>42703359
>You're not my countryman, you're not from the same city as me, you may not be the same race as me, you're not in my immediate family so why should I care about you? It's called empathy. I just do care about you and I don't want you to suffer, I can't imagine being different.
If I died tomorrow, and you somehow found out, you wouldn't give a shit.
Empathy is a trait that has survived evolution because it's beneficial for the survival of your species.

Why don't you go into a lions den with your empathy and see how many children you can father afterwards?
Survival of the fittest.
If your goal is to be the nicest and least intrusive organism on earth, then you're not going to survive.

>>42702964
Your choice to live in this consumeristic society that destroys habitats and pollutes the planet on a massive scale, utilising daily the basic yet destructive products that you spare no real consideration to as regards their creation, far outpaces any "ethical points" you gain from choosing not to consume animal products. You have no impact on the actual suffering of those animals if you haven't killed them yourself, either; whether or not you choose to buy chicken breasts at your local store is irrelevant. Those chickens will be killed regardless, and someone or something else will inevitably consume them. Your decision to use any products that actively pollute the environment is a far greater contributor to animal and human suffering than your decision to buy or not buy dead meat, products like your car and various other machines. If you want to be a vegan for personal health reasons, then fine; any pretensions of doing it for ethical reasons, though, is a short-sighted and hypocritical grasping for moral comfort and standing.

>>42703439
>I haven't seen anyone celebrating murder of animals.
Have you heard of hunting? Thanksgiving dinner? Random /fit/ posters proudly talking about how big a chunk of a corpse they just consumed?

>>42703439
>If I died tomorrow, and you somehow found out, you wouldn't give a shit.

If you died tomorrow and someone told me the very anon I was talking to on 4chan died I would be sad. What do you mean give a shit? Would I donate to your family to help bury you? Probably not. But if I had the power I would surely go back and stop you from dying.

>Survival of the fittest
>If 1 group of individuals has enough power to do whatever they want to another group, it's perfectly justified

ok then

>>42703430
>That's fine, but you get to make that choice. You're just assuming a cow would make the same choice you would.

Considering I am way more cognitive able than a cow, then yes, I can choose what I feel is better for that cow.
I can provide a safe and "happy" life for that cow for many years and ensure the continuation of their species, which is perhaps the most basic point of life.
They wouldn't survive in the wild, eventually.

>>42703430
>Is that a justification for killing and eating them? Because babies and mentally disabled people can't 'give consent' either. Therefore fair game? We can kill?
We know babies will evolve their cognitive abilities eventually, and we need babies for the continuation of our species.
Mentally disabled people.. let's not go there, it would take forever to discuss. I don't think we should kill mentally disabled people, but perhaps screening during pregnancy and abortion is what we need as a society eventually, with consent from the parents, etc.

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>>42702246

>>42703406
I would like to live as a lion

>>42703465
>You are not doing absolutely everything you can to end animal suffering, therefore you should stop doing even the little bit of good you're doing right now and start murdering even more animals needlessly.
Logic checks out

>>42702192
My fridge is mostly vegetables from my garden and eggs from my chickens, plus a bit of milk from a local dairy farm.
There's half an elk and 4 or 5 geese in my chest freezer though.
>Falling for the supermarket Jew when you can just go out and kill an animal yourself
It's a lot more personal, spiritual even. Except for the geese, I kill those because I hate them.

>>42703491
What are you doing on /fit/? Lions don't use the internet.

>>42702241
nice b8

>>42703483
>Considering I am way more cognitive able than a cow, then yes, I can choose what I feel is better for that cow.
>I am smarter than someone/something therefore I get to control it's life / the circumstances of it's death

Well that's clearly wrong.

>I don't think we should kill mentally disabled people

Why not?

>>42703547
>It's a lot more personal, spiritual even. Except for the geese, I kill those because I hate them.
Yeah man, I feel you. I do the same with niggers.

>>42702466

>>42703540
You're not paying attention.You're not doing any "little bit of good." You're not murdering or saving anything, you're just choosing a path where you garner a little bit of backwards moral comfort from choosing not to buy dead meat that will be bought and consumed by somebody else.

>>42702192
The one on the left looks like a freezer. Just get a two in one and you can have left in your freezer and right in your fridge. Problem solved

>>42703571
Ah, so if 10% of the population stops eating meat, the industry will still "produce" that 10% because they love waste and hate money?

>>42703469
>Have you heard of hunting? Thanksgiving dinner? Random /fit/ posters proudly talking about how big a chunk of a corpse they just consumed?

You have an odd perspective of food.
I have heard of hunting yes, i don't really get what's cool about it, but they preferably eat what they shoot.
We don't have thanksgiving dinner where I live, so I don't really know much about it. However, I doubt it's a "celebration of murder of a turkey".
They don't phrase eating lots of protein as being proud of consuming a corpse. Their emphasis is what that piece of protein will do for their gains.
They don't even think of it as a part of an animal.

>>42703473
>If you died tomorrow and someone told me the very anon I was talking to on 4chan died I would be sad. What do you mean give a shit? Would I donate to your family to help bury you? Probably not. But if I had the power I would surely go back and stop you from dying.
Why would you stop me from dying?
Would you stop everyone from dying?
You know there's like 7.5 billion people on earth?
Are you unable to accept that death is a part of life?

>If 1 group of individuals has enough power to do whatever they want to another group, it's perfectly justified
If by "1 group of individuals" is an entire species, and they rely on manipulating another species for their own survival, then yes.

Have you ever heard;
Nobody is a villain in their own story. We're all the heroes of our own stories. -George R.R. Martin

Everything is relative #Einstein

>>42703571
Why change anything ever, why enact social change at all? Why not go back to owning slaves since we can just breed them and there is never any worry about them going extinct?

>>42703564
>Well that's clearly wrong.
Why? I can see several futures for that cow, and in my vision it serves a purpose, it has a place in modern society rather than just roaming around getting sick and dying or killed by some other animal.

I don't think we should kill mentally disabled people
>Why not?
Because we can learn much about human biology because of them.
They should be studied, but eventually prevented from entering the gene pool.
Perhaps we can fix mental disabilities by studying them, making them productive and happy members of society.

There aren't really any way of "fixing a cow", it's not retarded.

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>>42703566
Now you're speaking my language.
Eliminate all Geese, Gooks, and Spooks.

>>42703592
>Why would you stop me from dying?
>Would you stop everyone from dying?

>Why would you prevent a random strangers death?
>What is empathy? I don't understand

>Would you stop everyone from dying?

Of course I would, what a stupid question. I would halt every unwanted death worldwide. Would I give everyone immortality if I could? Of course. Would I prefer you to die happy at an old age, in optimal conditions? Yes, even though you're a totally random stranger.

>>42703641
Why is the only alternative to being factory farmed / killed and eaten 'just roaming around getting sick and dying or killed by some other animal'? Those are the only 2 options for cows?

>They should be studied, but eventually prevented from entering the gene pool.

Jesus christ, you really are a psychopath. How are you going to stop 2 people with down syndrome from banging? Lock them up, kill them? Sterilize them? You don't get to make that decision thankfully.

>>42703646
>Of course I would, what a stupid question. I would halt every unwanted death worldwide. Would I give everyone immortality if I could? Of course. Would I prefer you to die happy at an old age, in optimal conditions? Yes, even though you're a totally random stranger.

So you wouldn't allow people the sweet release of death?
What about future generations?
Isn't it even more selfish to not allow others the experience of life?
We can't multiply forever, we'll run out of resources and/or space.

An eternity of life sounds like a nightmare, like hell.
Eventually our sun will collapse and you'll just float around in space, being immortal, bored out of your mind in a constant state of almost dying.
Sounds horrible.

>>42703684
I literally said 'unwanted' implying anyone who wanted to die at any point could. If you had this power and you didn't give people the option you'd truly be an immoral piece of shit. People wouldn't really need resources if they were immortal huh?

>trying to warp what I said into me trapping people unwillingly in an undying hell

lmao, desperate. All I said was if I could stop you from dying tomorrow I would, and if I could stop little African kids from starving I would, and everyone else. You're saying it's wrong to want that? Seriously ask yourself and answer if I knew you would die tomorrow and I could stop it, and then you looked back after being dead hypothetically, you really wouldn't care that I did nothing? You wouldn't want me to change things so you lived another day?

>>42702466
Arigato, Wendy-chan!

>>42703585
>>42703594
Still not paying attention. There are no ethical gains or losses from abstaining from meat; you will have no impact on an individual basis upon meat-production industries by choosing whether or not to buy dead meat. The act itself is completely irrelevant. If you want to have an ethical/moral impact, then you have to actually strive to enact social change; you can claim no "little bit of good" by doing something as passive as abstaining from meat consumption on a local basis when that will have no actual impact on meat production or "animal suffering." Meat consumption is growing or shrinking not because of your choice to buy or not buy dead animal parts and to engage strangers in moral debates on the Internet, but because some individuals and organisations are arguing and enacting changes on a scale that affects entire communities, policy-making bodies, industries, etc.; scientific and consumer-industry movements that argue how current levels of meat production are environmentally insustainable, how insect protein is far more efficient and far more suitable for consumption, so on and so forth. You might actually have an ethical impact if you started local community outreaches on meat consumption that ultimately change the amount of meat retailers purchase, but again, you are only making pretensions of moral superiority and ethical comfort by electing not to buy meat that you know *will* be bought.

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>>42703738
Stupid argument. Not going to respond.

>>42703725
I love how these debates always get more and more abstract, getting into weird hypotheticals, as meat eaters try to dodge the very simple basic moral truth that harming a living feeling being for no reason is wrong.

>>42703675
>Why is the only alternative to being factory farmed / killed and eaten 'just roaming around getting sick and dying or killed by some other animal'? Those are the only 2 options for cows?
What do you mean?
Option 3: a cow starts his own chain of hotels in California?
Cows eat grass, walk, run, fuck, shit.
I thought you would get that a cow wasn't going to do some extraordinary just because it's not factory farmed.
I do advocate better lives for cows, not being stuck in tight spaces, etc. Sure, give them good lives in grassy fields. And have them serve a greater cause when they die.

They should be studied, but eventually prevented from entering the gene pool.
>Jesus christ, you really are a psychopath. How are you going to stop 2 people with down syndrome from banging?
>Lock them up, kill them? Sterilize them? You don't get to make that decision thankfully.
Hopefully the parents will screen the fetus during pregnancy and either choose an abortion or choose to raise their child.
If they choose to raise the child, we have to research ways of preventing this in future fetuses.
So, if 2 downs-people have kids, hopefully they will choose to take some sort of medicine to prevent their child from having downs, or they choose to raise the child themselves, but they won't be able to raise their child, at which point it becomes property of the state, which then will cure it anyways.

>>42703767
>moral truth that harming a living feeling being for no reason is wrong.
"Moral truth" - there is no such thing.
"Harming" - We can end their lives without any pain or distress.
"for no reason" - They serve as highly nutritious food to us, perpetuating our species into the future.

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>>42703767
>they actually believe the 'reasons' like
>I'm smarter than them therefore I get to kill them!
>I might not be as healthy if I don't get to kill you!
>They die instantly therefore it's okay to kill them!
>None of our logic applies to humans though, because we're humans! And humans have rights, because we're humans!

>>42703738
I understand completely what you're saying, the problem is that what you're saying makes no sense. Even one less customer means less money. Producing a pound of meat costs resources and money. If you overproduce by one measly pound, that's a loss. It's a tiny tiny loss of course, compared to the size of the industry, but it still counts. There are countries now with a double digit percentage of vegans. All those people are individuals who made an individual decision not to eat meat.

>>42703761
Your passivity and abstentionism in engaging someone that isn't even against the banning of meat-production demonstrates exactly why you're a weak-willed, self-deceiving pretender clinging to ineffectual false virtue.

>>42703811
>"Harming" - We can end their lives without any pain or distress.
>"for no reason" - They serve as highly nutritious food to us, perpetuating our species into the future.
Would you accept this treatment for yourself, or your children?

>>42702192
>not having a garden of death

>>42702241
I'm not even vegan but I'm still loling at how whoever made this fell for the "dinosaurs power cars" meme

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>>42703849

>>42703884
It's bait, nobody is that stupid, not even on /fit/

>>42702507
Where is your processed food?

>>42703833
The dent in meat consumption that those vegans represent is an ethical victory that can be claimed only by those that made the arguments that swayed those vegans in the first place. You must proselytise to fertile ground or strive towards some form of reform if you want to attain virtue in the anti-meat ethical system, as that is what will have an actual impact; choosing to abstain from meat in that instance becomes a matter of avoiding hypocrisy, a point in a separate ethical framework that you can embrace or revile based on your ethical stance on hypocrisy.

>>42703767
>no reason
>eating is a reason
>implying plants aren't alive

>>42703830
>I make no moral distinction between humans and animals.
>I expect humans to not eat other animals like carnivores eat other animals
Good logic.

>>42703725
>If you had this power and you didn't give people the option you'd truly be an immoral piece of shit.
What? Explain please.
Is it immoral to not grant people immortality?
Is natural death immoral now?

>People wouldn't really need resources if they were immortal huh?
That's why I included the word "space".
I imagine you would want some comfort in your immortal life?
There is no point living, if you can't feel alive. -James Bond villain

All I said was if I could stop you from dying tomorrow I would, and if I could stop little African kids from starving I would
You didn't say this.
>, and everyone else. You're saying it's wrong to want that?
It can be, yeah. The world isn't as black and white as you'd like it to be.
>Seriously ask yourself and answer if I knew you would die tomorrow and I could stop it, and then you looked back after being dead hypothetically, you really wouldn't care that I did nothing?
Well, if you had some godly knowledge of me going to die and didn't prevent it, and we were friends, then yes. If you had this knowledge and power over every being on earth, you'd be a some sort of god, and you probably had some reason for not allowing me to live.
>You wouldn't want me to change things so you lived another day?
It depends, would I know I was going to die?
Then I would just say goodbye to everyone I cared about and prepare my death to ease the job for the ones i left behind.
It doesn't really matter if you stall my death a single day, I would just live one day extra.
Granting immortality is another thing.
But why the hell are we talking about immortality? It doesn't exist.

>>42702466
THANK YOU, WALKING WENDY OF GAINS

>>42703851
>Would you accept this treatment for yourself, or your children?
Don't we though? Do we blame the shark for eating a person?

>>42703851
>Would you accept this treatment for yourself, or your children?
What?
I am not in the same situation as an animal.
So, no.
I can distinguish that there are differences between my own species and other species.

Do you condone cutting down trees and grinding them up into sawdust to eventually create toiletpaper?
Would you accept this treatment for yourself, or your children?

>>42703932
A shark doesn't understand that killing for no reason is wrong, you do.

A shark has to kill in order to live, they can't subsist, let alone be healthier, on plants. You can avoid killing for meat easily. It's also better for your health.

>>42702206
fpbs

>>42703954

>Do you condone cutting down trees and grinding them up into sawdust to eventually create toiletpaper?
Would you accept this treatment for yourself, or your children?
If in this hypothetical "my children" and "I" are as sentient as a tree, then yes, that's fine, cut us down.

>>42703961
>It's also better for your health.
Vitamin B12?

>>42703961
That was in no way the question.

Quit moving goal posts. You asked would it be an outrage for another species to eat humans.

And the answer is No. So try another gotcha, this one is stale.

>>42703954
Do you understand what a hypothetical situation is?

He asked you if you would accept someone killing you and eating you or your children and you said "I'm not in that situation".

Well, HYPOTHETICALLY, would you accept someone killing you and your children if they said "you're going to be very nutritious, perpetuating our species"?

>>42702192
>keeping tomatoes in the fridge
Was my life a lie or are vegans retarded?

>>42703978
>If in this hypothetical "my children" and "I" are as sentient as a tree, then yes, that's fine, cut us down.
Oh right, this "sentient" thing.
What is being sentient? "able to perceive or feel things."

Feelings are chemical reactions.
If a person loses all feelings, is he no longer sentient? Would you then kill that man?

>>42703981
What do you mean? That's a vitamin, not an argument. Take a supplement, what's the issue?
Do you prefer that they give animals the B12 supplement, kill the animals, so that then when you eat the animal, you get some of that same B12 supplement from their corpse?

>>42704014
>Take a supplement
Enjoy your cancer cuck.

>>42704004
>Oh right, this "sentient" thing.
I know, it's annoying to encounter simple logical consistency.

>>42704021
>I didn't read or understand the actual study, but I feel qualified to lecture others on it

>>42704028
Or its awfully convenient albeit arbitrary and undefined line in the sand you make up so that you don't have to face the fact that your entire premise is a slippery slope eventually leading to eating is immoral.

Who knows.

>>42703995
>Do you understand what a hypothetical situation is?
Hypothetical situations are used to illustrate reality.
This hypothetical is so farfetched that it's not worth discussing.
>He asked you if you would accept someone killing you and eating you or your children and you said "I'm not in that situation".
No, I wouldn't accept that. Naturally you're going to say "See! Why would a cow accept it?! Got'cha!"
Well, I'm not in the same situation as an animals used for food so it doesn't apply to me.
>Well, HYPOTHETICALLY, would you accept someone killing you and your children if they said "you're going to be very nutritious, perpetuating our species"?
No, because from my perspective, it's detrimental to my own continuation of life and perpetuation of my genes.

>>42704034
>Says the guy that makes unqualified claims that being vegan is healthier.

Lets see your bona fides

>>42704043
This.

>>42702466

>>42704056
We were discussing ethics, why are you pussying out? I'm happy to discuss health once we get somewhere with the ethics. Health really isn't a central point from the ethical point of view, the vegan arguments still hold even if the diet is not any healthier.

>>42704004
I don't think any vegan or vegetarian will make an argument to keep vegetablized/braindead people like Terri Schiavo alive. That's different than killing them though. If anyone can decide to kill them it's their legal guardian / next of kin / spouse / the state I suppose.

>>42704049
You draw the line at species', other more ignorant people have drawn the line at race, at country, down to the individual. We're just skipping to the logical extreme.

>>42704120
>I don't think any vegan or vegetarian will make an argument to keep vegetablized/braindead people like Terri Schiavo alive. That's different than killing them though. If anyone can decide to kill them it's their legal guardian / next of kin / spouse / the state I suppose.
Wasn't there a guy that was in an accident where he got a steel rod through his head but survived, and after the accident he had no emotions or feelings but was able to talk and walk around.
He wasn't comatose, yet had no feelings.
>Spoiler: His wife ended up leaving him and he guessed it was "bad" but didn't have any feelings towards it.

>>42704120
>You draw the line at species', other more ignorant people have drawn the line at race, at country, down to the individual. We're just skipping to the logical extreme.
I draw the line at species because that's who you can procreate with, ensuring your genes survive.

>>42704094
>Make absolute statements of health
>Get shit on
>Stop pussying out!

And I am discussing ethics.
Answer >>42704043

>>42704169
You can't procreate with sterile people. Okay to kill?

>>42704043
.. and species is a clear cut and exact line and a perfectly logical way to guide our morals

>>42702192
>>42703359
>>42703406
>>42703833
>>42703961
>>42704014
Ok guys i have to give in, i think im sold on the vegan meme. For realz
My eternal thanks go out to (You)

>>42704209
I would say it is a good starting point. Cannibalism is not practiced in much of the animal kingdom, likely for solid reasons.

Anything after that is probably going to be subjective.

>>42704195
You're missing the point.

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>>42702192
this is like the 4th vegan thread currently up.
why?

>>42704289
the IQ of the general populace is steadily increasing.

>>42702241
skimming your post I found words like FOSSIL FUEL, VEGAN, AMINO ACID, CHILD ABUSE and OMNIVORES.

wtf, man?!

my refrigerator is stocked with the corpses of many plants.

>>42702507
How I eat:
>Monday: Quinoa
>Tuesday: Beans (Garbanzo)
>Wednesday: Potatoes
>Thursday: Beans (Mexican Beans)
>Friday: Sweet potatoes
>Saturday: Lentils
>Sunday: Pasta (with Parmesan and tomato sauce)

No shame, I don't like meat. Oh yeah, I can change my diet every week,, it's good to life in Peru.

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>>42704289

astroturfing, been happening for a few weeks.

>>42704419
a corpse is a dead body of an animal.. plants don't even have bodies

>>42704443

how fucking dare you

PLANT LIVES MATTER #PLANTLIVESMATTER

>>42704442
>normal person
>standing around in a daze wearing leotards, barely moving

>vegan
>doing crazy gymnastics and flying around with jetpacks

checks out

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>>42704475

>>42702466
cool

>>42704483
>vegan
>eating an animal

>normal person
>upset about eating animals

doesn't check out?

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>>42704518

>>42702466
bongos

It's all life man. Life feeds on life.

Seriously though even if you introduce the consciousness part of the convo. It completely ignores complex fungai networks thay allow different root systems to communicate.

>>42704541
>vegan
>long neck like a giraffe's to eat broccoli from the top of trees

>normal person
>ass glued to a chair due to diet low in fiber and phytochemicals

absolutely checkening

>>42704252
welcome to the club, veggie brother

Vegans piss me off. They are like leftists and atheists in so many ways and are completely oblivious to this. I understand the value of veges yet don't want to eat them specifically. Should us /carnis/ just fucking eat vegans?

>>42704635
>leftists
i don't think stopping needless killing is an exclusively leftist idea?
>atheists
not sure how they're similar? do you mean how they don't shut up about the obviously true thing they believe in?

>>42704670
>i don't think stopping needless killing is an exclusively leftist idea?
I don't needlessly kill anything. I just eat anything like our bodies have adapted to. Fuck, I live in Australia and even catch and let go venomous spiders that wander into my house.
>not sure how they're similar? do you mean how they don't shut up about the obviously true thing they believe in?
They ceaselessly flaunt their beliefs and lifestyles in front of peoples faces and despite not believing in a religion, have somehow turned that lack of belief into a "morally superior" religion. Come to think of it, you are like those flamboyant parading faggots too.

I'm just waiting for the vegan rights parades

>>42702466
Pls succ me Wendy

>>42703221
So do plants dipshit. They even grow towards daylight.

>>42703249
There is a very long history on animals being criminally tried you fucking underage gook moron cunt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_trial

>>42702532
>citation needed

The only reason most people eat meat is because it's easily accessible. 95% of people wouldn't be meat eaters if they had to go out and kill the animals themselves.

Be honest with yourself, you know it's true.

>>42702652
>I have worms and I can't stop puking
Just as if you'd eat unwashed plants.

>>42702466
Get them wenders

My refrigerator is a refridgerator, for keeping food cool.
It is not a morgue, as I do not store whole cadavers in it.
It is not a garden, as nothing grows in it.
It is, pure and simple, just a fucking kitchen applianc.

Do vegans actually sit around brainstorming this sort of shit in the hopes that some poor kid thinks it sounds deep and clever and falls for the vegan meme?
I think they're still circle jerking about how smart they are for coming up with the "meat is murder" alliteration all those years ago.

>>42706048
Do you think it's easy to make vegetables or grains?
Is this what happens when the b12 supplements start to not work after 5 years?

>>42702495
I love you doggo

>>42702492
Vegans generally refuse to believe that plants are living beings. Otherwise, their whole narrative would fall apart.

The sad truth is that you have to kill to live. Either you kill cute animals or you kill less cute plants. No way around it.

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>>42702652
>>Eat raw meat
>I have worms and I can't stop puking
Are you living in the 3rd world?

>>42703124
>Plants are not sentient.
They are to a point, though. They are afraid of death, afraid of being eaten, they make friends among each other (pretty mind-blowing if you ask me), they react to talking, music, etc.

Just because they don't have a face, you think killing them is ok.

>>42702192
Half morgue, half compost.

A garden has life plants.

>>42706048
t. city kid

>>42706596
He's just a moron dyel vegan doesn't understand how much of a fucking ordeal it is to grow plants and make wheat into the gayass shit bioavailability seitan he buys from whole foods.

Veganism is a mainly first world country problem where they try to find problems when there are none.

>>42706563
how can they be afraid when they have no brains?
although i can understand your empathy with plants since you have that in common with them

>>42704906
>They even grow towards daylight.
>sentient
read a fucking dictionary

>dead plants is a garden
then mine is an animal sanctuary

>>42702466
༼ つ _ ༽つ WENDY TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ _ ༽つ

>wrapping meat in plastic
>eating weeks-old frozen meat
MAKE IT STOP

>>42702466
Do your thing and in return, I'll go to Wendy's tomorrow.

>>42702466
GET THEM

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>>42706854

>>42702992
vegans don't understand this because muh rawfood

>>42703216
>then if we were to breed animals that lacked the ability for nerves to fire electrical impulses, would it then be okay to eat those animals?

>Animals without nervous systems
Like plants? Yeah those are fine to eat
>No you autist they have to be animals just for the sake of being animals
Oysters or lab grown meat are ok to eat too.

>>42703439
>I haven't seen anyone celebrating murder of animals
Have you ever been invited to a BBQ or a Thanksgiving dinner or something?
>If I died tomorrow, and you somehow found out, you wouldn't give a shit.
>Empathy
The ethical argument for veganism is based on logic, not empathy. It's really simple.
You can eat "X", which causes someone else to die, and "Y", which doesn't. Both X and Y are food items you can get all the necessary nutrients and taste pleasure, if you can cook properly, both can be as cheap and protein dense as you will need. If there is literally no benefit to eating X, why pick it over Y?
Note how not only I didn't use the word "empathy", but didn't even use the concept to tiptoe around it.
>But wait
, the observant non vegan said,
>What you say is only correct if the assumption at the first of the explanation (that animals qualify as SOMEONE) is correct. I don't think animals qualify as "someone". There.
The "if" part is true, however animals DO qualify as someone.
You don't call your dog it, you call them he or she. You give them names and interact with them. You'd get angry at someone kicking them, you want to pet them, comfort them and play fetch. You want to watch gifs of them.
You can do the same with pigs or cows.
If you did the same to a potato, you'd be in the looney bin.
You don't want to eat a pig or a cow, you want to eat bacon and steak because they happen to be juicy, salty and fatty food. You even name them pork and beef because subconsciously it makes you feel bad. There is nothing about the act of killing that makes meat superior, or any quality in meat either.

lmao vegans

>>42702466
Wendy is best girl

>>42702241
Based.

>>42706550
BUTTER FYR DEN BUTTERGOTT

>>42702507
>eating meat on fridays
Absolutely haram.

>>42702394
My roommate shows up with 30 bags of name brand shittier chips, cookies, pizza, sweets, and for some reason like two bags of fresh strawberries, blackberries, baby carrots, and other produce that I never see him bring until I inevitably find them two months later in the vegetable drawer (that I never look in because I have a horrible habit of not cooking vegetables (I eat them but I'd rather spend my time making homemade pizza or chicken/rice
>TFW roommates bring fresh meats but don't know how to cook, so I cook and eat for free but no one buys veggies because they don't eat them

>>42702466
/fit/, is Wendy /ourgirl/?

>>42702466
GJ senpai

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>>42702495
helpful pupperino

>>42702652
>I have worms and I can't stop puking
Remove your weak genes from the gene pool, subhuman

>>42703564
>Well that's clearly wrong.
This is the kind of person who lets their kids decide of their own gender