/FAST/ FASTING GENERAL 12:12 is for sissies edition

What discussion is even needed for this

>>42700090

We hit the bump limit of the previous thread

>>42700080
How much of fast-posting is memeing and how much is genuine?

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About to hit the halfway point on my 48 hour fast, Feel a bit a laggy but I haven't drank as much coffee today as I did yesterday. Waiting to see how much better I feel since the 40 hour mark is allegedly when shit really kicks in, also wondering what I'm going to break my fast with; I'm thinking steak, eggs, and bourbon.

>>42700222

I completed a 21 day fast went from 245lbs to

215.6 lbs.


You better have an iron will son, but I lost maybe 10lbs per major lift. I'll take the hit for the short and sweet cut.

>>42700235

I'm halfway on mine and I'm still feeling pretty good, but then again I've been doing OMAD for two weeks now.

>>42700253
Thanks for answering my question

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Can medical professional anon from last thread give his take on P.D. Mangan's iron articles? They seem reasonable however I have no medical knowledge and afaik it's just him saying iron is poison. I want to trust him because he works with Fung and D'Agostino but I'm already out on a limb enough with fasting.

Fung makes it seem like jumping from 16:8 to 18:6 or even 20:4 would be really good metabolically and would induce a burst of hgh production, anyone have experience doing this in conjuction with powerlifting?

>>42700080
nice hiss

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>>42700801
>when you realize you're not the only person in the world who appreciates a good Steve MRE video

you know Steve has gone hungry every now and then. he truly will appreciate every meal he's got

Just lost 14lbs in 14 days water fasting, about to switch over to alternate daily fasting (8/16), eating only on lift days.

>>42700222
Checked. Probably some people are bullshitting, but the science and results are absolutely legit.

>>42700782
It's hard to binge eat 3/4000 (clean) calories in 4 hours, your body just can't process it that fast. Nutrient absorption kinda determines how fast you can eat. Different for each individual, give it a try. If I were going to try this I would eat the exact same thing every day so my gut bacteria become specialized in breaking that exact thing down.

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>>>42688908
OP from previous thread here.

Just finished my 3rd day of fasting. It keeps getting easier, my body is adapting to absence of carbs.
Today while at work out of nowhere I had a large boost of energetic/euphoric feeling that lasted for couple hours. Somewhat similar to MDMA high, but not as intense.
Overall I'm feeling great, energy levels are high, sleeping well. No negative effects so far.

One thing to note - fasting brought me a brand new appreciation for food. While I barely feel any hunger, I miss the pleasure of eating and tasting it. I notice food everywhere around me and it's becoming a small obsession of mine. Cooking shows on youtube are better than porn, I can binge them for hours..

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>Dr. fung
Is he that guy who claims that calories have nothing to do with weight?

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>>42701936
The euphoria is amazing, just hit 26 hours and the waves of tingles going up and down my body are fuckin fantastic, I wonder if I should just stop eating and keep this up to help me power through nofap


>>42701981
He believes that metabolic function and food processing are independant of total calories in or out, and that fasting, aside from everything else it can do for your health, drops your metabolic threshold and allows you to more efficiently burn fat

He may say this though mostly because he gets his fat fuck diabetic patients at his clinic to stop cramming their mouths with foods all day with fasting or IF and he personally has probably never seen someone succesfully do CiCo

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remember to break your fast with double GOMAD just like upton sinclair

>>42701936
I did a 5 or 6 day fast a few years back and remember being obsessed with preparing food for future use.

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>>42700080
How do you dare to use Steve in this memefasting thread? Like, what the fuck?

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>>42700812
>>42700801

>>42700080
I started keto two weeks ago and go to weekly checkups on InBody, two days ago I added 16:8 protocol to my regime, eating around 1000 kcal/day. Feels kinda good but is it any good or just a meme? All my Doctors Shekelsteins say that starving and being hungry is always bad.

is 24:0 advisable for a beginner?

>>42702913
I'm the guy who made that pic, and one of these speds went off on me because he said I was a liar for losing weight by eating less. At least I know my OC is being enjoyed.

>>42702028
don't go over 40 hours.
your body starts eating muscle after 40 or is it 48?
if you wanna be safe, don't go past 40.

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I'm on day 5 of my water fast rn and holy fuck this is easy. I have literally no hunger or temptation. I have done about five 3-4 day fasts before, but I kept quitting because I would feel light headed and get headaches. This time I am using magnesium pills, fish oil, and lite-salt, and holy fuck it has made it so easy. Reminder to pop yo pills anons

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Been 20:4 for a few months.
I did lean out and it's more convenient for me to just eat within a 4 hour window.
As far as energy, I do feel I have more, but I'm unsure if it's just a placebo or not. I've always preferred lifting fasted so I had no problems adjusting to that. So far so good. It's really quite easy.
Nice Steves btw everyone.

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Stop eating.

>>42704392
kek

So, i've started keto and I consume all my daily cals within 6 hrs.

Is this considered fasting?

Will it do anything good for me?

>>42704438
If those 6 hours are always the same 6 hours or pretty close then yes.
>Will it do anything good
Yes, read links in the OP

If I want to do a long fast(4 weeks and more)what should I supplement? I found liquid multivitamin and multimineral which would be easy to absorb but it contains some amino acids (L-Glutamin, Bcaa, L-Taurin, L-Carnitin).
Would that fuck up my fast?

>ate a large buttered popcorn on fast day
YOU STUPID FAT FUCK! CHEAT MEAL CANCELLED, YOU'LL DO 1 HOUR OF CARDIO INSTEAD AND LIKE IT!

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>>42704222
motherfucker did you even READ a SINGLE fucking ARTICLE out of the op?

shitty bait

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>when you find out the la croix is fast safe


lot of good it'll do me considering I'm going to break fast/keto tomorrow with walnuts, steak, egges, bacon, some chinese food, and bourbon

speaking of, is the thing D'agostino said about a simple 3 hour hike being good enough to drop you back into keto if you've only had one cheat day and you're already keto adapted true? I don't mind restarting again but I may change things around if I'd lose out on a lot

Broke a 48 hour fast today with a back workout. Didn't lose any strength.

>>42702923
Would let this man marry my daughter.

>>42700080
Good info

op pic should have been MIAMI NICE

Would it be a good idea to fast over my deload week and just go on long walks instead?

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>>42705497
Made just 4u.

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>>42705839
Alternate version

>>42705846
this one is better

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>>42705846

>>42704652
please respond

Me >>42678528 here.

Day 8 of 10. Lost 16lbs so far. Literally nothing to report. All early "rough" days have passed, though it wasn't all that bad. I'm currently meal planning for the refeed and beyond.

>>42707328
It'll be fine for the acids. Just watch out for things like muscle cramps, headaches and such. You'll need electrolytes if that happens.

What do you eat when you do keto? I never thought I'd be able to pull it off but I already eat only chicken breast, ricr, eggs and one piece of toast so cutting out carbs completely may actually be possible at this point.

>>42708432
i'm doing light keto (eating around 70-100 gr of carbs a day, 50 fat and around 200 protein) on a 1500 cal diet. mainly turkey/chicken/fish, cottage cheese, oats on days where i do high intensity cardio, whey protein, berries, flax seeds, broccoli and fruits, different sorts of cheese and vegetables depending on what was available or i was in the mood for. you can cook delicious stuff like chicken parmesan if you weigh your food. a food scale is a must. just google keto meals.

>>42708056
How will you refeed?

>>42708836
Generally this, >>42678962

>>42708886
Thanks

Anyone else experiencing diarrhea? Last 2 days I've done 22:2 and this morning after my coffee it was full fire hose mode

>>42708991
What are you eating? I didn't use to eating steak, veggies, and cheese; but I started doing bacon and eggs before my steak and it's making me spray like a graffiti tagger

>>42708517
People will call you out on your diet not being real keto but keep it like that dude , real keto is meme-ish , your proton intake is way too high to , reduce it to 125-150 and add 50% to each of both other macro .

>>42709052
Yesterday I had a footlong chicken sub and chicken noodle soup. I get the shits anytime I have eggs now so I try to stay away from dairy as much as I can

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>>42709065
What do you find wrong with real (diet and non-medical) keto? Have you never dropped into ketosis?

>>42709099
I did keto for 5 month , even went zerocarb for 2 week , the more carb in keto the better , there is really no reason to go in pure ketosis , there is a reason people reports feeling better when they do high fiber , contrary to popular belief a bit of the fiber is digested as carbs ( always counted as 2kcals per gram of fiber on nutrition label ) , Very low carb only hinder recovery and work capacity on top of reducing your ability to hold electrolytes .

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>>42709135
nigger you didn't do shit and it doesn't hurt your case to lie

Once an individual is keto adapted, training is no problem provided they get the right amount of protein and calories (scooby's "close-to-low-carb") . Keto even boosts most cellular metabolic processes and your body's VO2 max. For water retention, just drink some fucking water, with or without salt depending on how you feel

Fucking hell the nonlifting mouthbreathers on this board need to fucking neck themselves

>>42709188
Anon did you try doing something other than a fucking lifting routine ?
You will be able to lift 3-5 a week but try doing some real cardio everyday on keto , it's not possible , your performance will go to shit because even at very low Vo2maxc your body USE carbs and the small amount of protein your liver can hold won't give you enough subtract for de novo glucogenesis .
You really believe it's optimal to put your body in a state where he can't retain WATER efficiently ?
And no keto doesn't boost Vo2Max kek , find me a single athlete who do keto ( and not the bullshit that is the art of low carbo performance , none of these athlete is low carbs ( unless you consider potatoes and energy gels low carb )) .
Anyone who do serious sports for 1h30+ get way more mitochondrial adaptation for fat using than someone who just do casual lifting and do keto .

>tfw retarded
>don't know enough to form an educated opinion on fasting even with resources provided

How to work out during long term fast? I plan on doing 3x a week fullbody fuckery with dumbells and some calisthenic and walk for an hour on offdays. Otherwise I sit on my ass all day at work

>>42709229
I took about 2ish weeks of online research through general websites and google scholar for actual scientific papers before I even decided I was going to fast. Then about a day to figure out what one was going to be best for me and how to refeed.

>>42709300
Like a water fast? Vitamins and electrolytes.

>>42709322
Yes water fast. Im asking about routine

almost done with my 48. I feel really good, honestly. Like I have a really mild version of what I feel when I pull an all-nighter at work. I could probably go for more but I have already made plans with friends tonight

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>>42709223
>you can do strenous lifting 3-5 times a week but NOT cardio

I'm just going to shift to smugposting mode at this point

>>42709496
a lifting session require way less glycogen than a cardio session .

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One of the biggest things for me with IF and long term fasting so far, is watching my discpline grow. It started with keeping food out of my mouth for at least 16 hours a day, but then within 2 months it was about staying on the damn bike and riding that 20 mile bike workout, in fasted state, to the end.

I'm having a trifling bit of time transfering this over to other things I do, but knowing I can do this is probabaly one of the biggest literal blessings of my life, hope you other brahs are having times just as great as I am.

How should I do fasting if my goal is muscle building and I want that sweet HGH boost?

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>>42710021
depending on what you want, 16:8 or 18:6, maybe even 20:4 if you think you can get everything into the window.

allegedly most of the real shit kicks off at around 15-16 hours, and you'll get a little doing 16:8, but holding out just another 2-4 hours on top of that can really jack up your HGH and epinepherine levels in addition to lowering your insulin response.

I'd personally recc playing around and find what suits you, if you don't care for numbers, just start by skipping breakfast

>>42710021
train fasted and eat a big meal afterwards

>>42710206
>>42710237
Thanks anons. So no whole days of fasting? I thought HGH peaks after 48 hours

1 PM here
7 Hours until my 24 hour fast is complete!

Gonna start it off with an apple,
then a shrimp and spinach broth with rice

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>>42700080
What should I do if I want to lose 20kg at a faster rate?

>>42710522
No need to be afraid of refeeding syndrome after only 24 hours, anon.

>>42700080
I'm a retard can someone give me the basics to this?

I can only drink water?
During those 4 hours I can eat anyting anytime? Will the cravings stop after a few days?
What types are best?

>>42710800
Been doing IF variations of 16;8 and 20:5 depending on schedule. Once a week I do a 24 hour fast

>>42709095
>eggs
>dairy

>>42711303
>20:5
???

4th day on IF
shit getting easier, i eat less calories, and feel more powered up

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>>42711389
>Not getting an extra hour in a day
Confirmed for not making it

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>>42710820
>>42710790
Why dont you fucking retards actually watch the videos in the template

>>42709438
I just drink water nearly constantly, piss every hour or so, and mouth cleanse & take a multivitamin once a day. I get a little salt through a mouth gargle of water and salt that I spit out.

>>42712256
I don't think anyone does that who has two brain cells to rub together. Everyone wants to be spoonfed.

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https://medium.com/the-mission/the-sweet-spot-for-intermittent-fasting-9aae12a2158c

I keep finding more shit on all this by the day, curiously enough, IF and keto seem to intersect with cancer treatment in an odd way, I've been doing a lot of reading into it recently.

If you want to make yourself bulletproof, even if you don't have cancer:
>at least 2mg of both DHA and EPA, both found in fish oil
article over an academic study of a man that came back from stage IV lung cancer using nothing but 15mg of combined DHA and EPA : http://roguehealthandfitness.com/a-case-of-lung-cancer-treated-with-fish-oil/

>walnuts if you don't like fish oil or taking caps, but not as effective as fish oil omegas
>at least one or more cups of broccoli a day, 3 cups leafy greens if you're a fag and hate broccoli
>exercise for at least 30 minutes a day, be it cardio or lifting; extended non-steady state cardio for even longer periods of time is best

if anyone else has run across cool IF/F/keto research, link pls; I'm building a compendium of studies and knowledge

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On day 3, stupidly had a coffee with cream and a bag of chips while out with some friends, 250 calories total. Is it enough to delay ketosis? Will I have to wait another 3 days?

>>42708056

What exactly do you mean by electrolytes? Do you mean eating salt and the such to recover them or to buy one of those brand name electrolyte beverages and drink it?

Sorry I'm just an utter newfag and I want to get into this.

>>42713230
see >>42712256

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>>42705839
>>42705846
I corrected a horrible life ruining error here's the final version I promise.

>>42712979

If you are on day 3, I think you should already be in ketosis.

Even then, ketogenic diets often aim for less than 50g of carbs a day, so unless it was a lot of chips you probably wont break keto.

What you did do is reawaken your digestive system, so expect to feel hunger again like during the first couple days. And try to refeed properly when the time comes, because coffee and chips isnt exactly the recommended way to do it and you can make yourself sick if you do it wrong.

>>42712979
SO, cream is usually safe because it's mostly fat and fat doesn't invoke any insulin response thusly preserving the fasting state.
The chips may have fucked you though, I'm surprised you agreed to eat them my man

Just broke my 48 hour, started with 1/4th cup of walnuts, then dived into my junk food half an hour later.

Had some bbq with fries that were so good I felt as though I could give up women for them

>>42713930
I did this yesterday but with healthier food and fucked myself, praying for you

>>42713714
>>42712979
see
>>42700080 first vid

>>42713984
I only had 3 bouts of diahrrea, probably going to up my broccoli intake and incorporate more cheese to slow everything down during my feeding windows

>day 9 of 10

Dear fucking god, the boredum I have is through the roof. I did some googling and it seems that's a big thing with fasting. It is even worse today since it's been raining all damn day.

>>42713984
>>42713930
>>42714066
Normally, you only start with juice, half and half with water the first day, nothing else. You need to ease into it. The diahrrea can literally kill you otherwise.

>>42714066
ah okay then you are already over it

>>42714080
with 7 day fasts and over, yeah, otherwise, small meal beforehand (did a serving of walnuts), wait half an hour, and go

>>42714080
Didn't think I would need to worry that much about breaking 48 hours. Will do fruit juice then solid fruit an hour later next time.

>>42714080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr-ksT4wqvY

seems as though diarrhea is a pretty normal thing, while I have not personally researched this yet, most of the shit is "toxins" and extra shit that your body cleaned out and is forcing out the moment your digestive system wakes up after a long fast.

Gonna do more research and post results, it would be interesting if this is actually the case.


video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr-ksT4wqvY

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post your best fasting treats

>>42714172
Yeah, a couple of times that is correct. Just monitor stuff really well. Be cautious.

>>42714202
I have my own well. I'm drinking just over a gallon a day and pissing out about half a gallon a day. Not sure where the rest is going. It is cold as shit here and I'm not sweating at all.

>what time is it?
>"time to drink water again!!!"

>>42714234
That's a lot of water; my thirst goes down massively without digestion. Is there a reason you should make yourself drink that much?

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>>42714272
If I don't, my mouth becomes dry, the skin on the back of my hand will start to stand up when I pinch it instead of rebounding quickly/instantly. My piss is pure gold-yellow too instead of clear like it would normally be with this amount of intake. I don't have any headaches or muscle soreness/cramps so I'm getting enough minerals/electrolytes.

I wake up like 4 times at night to piss. If I don't drink anything at night, by morning I feel like some ancient mummy.

>>42714361
You are putting salt and electrolyte mix in your water, right?

If it doesn't feel or taste like broth, you're gonna get dehydrated. Anyone familiar with keto will know this

>>42714412
You only need a 1/4tsp salt in a gallon of water.

>>42714440
in my experience and from talking to people; at least 5g of sodium is usually the wayt to go. I usually do at least 1.5g of himalyan rock salt in my water along with electrolyte drops and trace mineral drops, rest from food

>>42714477
5g is over a teaspoon, fyi. 4.2g is about a teaspoon. Recommendations are 1/4tsp to 1/2tsp salt. I also use PHS.

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>>42708432

>broke my 48 hr fast earlier today
>still doing OMAD
>it happened to be some pizza
>just woke up from a 5 hour nap

goddamn the itis is real

Are there any websites where I can look at pictures of disgusting and awful food failures? I need to lose my appetite.

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>>42715779

>>42715779
>>>/ck/

Anyone have experience with things like chicory or dandelion root tea on a fast?

>>42715790
That...that's the equivalent of transexual midget fisting porn.
I'm sure someone's into it, but all it does for me is make me sad limp and question humanity as a whole.

>>42715859
Wow most of this stuff is actually pretty bad, thnx

>>42714508
>Recommendations are 1/4tsp to 1/2tsp salt
this is wrong

>>42716533
think he meant per 15floz serving

>>42716545
ohh ok i thought he meant the whole day

How long into fasting does it take for hunger to disappear?

>>42716576
for me second day usually; third day for sure

>>42716576
I do OMAD so I usually never get it, if I do, it'll be for about 10 mins around 8am in the morning

>>42708517
Nigga 70-100grams of carbs ain't light keto. Daft cunt.

>>42711389
You do know time is contiguous?

I eat at 6PM, the next meal would be 2PM the next day.

>>42716763
You do realize most people break the day up into 24 not 25 hours right?

>>42716781
Fasting hours:Feeding window


Who said it had to equal 24?

>>42716790
Because thats how a day works? People build their lives around a consistent time frame of a day you idiot dont try to pull some psuedo intellectual bullshit with me.

>>42716763
You dumb nigger. If you're really 20:5 you would eat at 2PM one day then 3PM the next day, 4PM, 5PM ... until you were eating your first meal at 3 in the morning. Quit coping and admit your 20:5 claim is fucking stupid

>>42716811
Can you seriously not grasp the concept of fasting for x hours, and feeding for x hours? Fuck your convention

>>42716820
Right, I did mention that it depends on my schedule. I don't always do 20:5, after 6PM I switch over to 16:8.

>>42700080
how many days should I fast? I want to de-tox too. what can I do to combine fasting, detoxing and cutting? I am 160lbs maybe 12-13% bf but I want to drop lower.

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Lost 40 lbs doing intermittent fasting + water fasting + keto

I'm thinking another 20 oughta do the trick.

>>42716840
Do a one day fast if its your first time

I like lemon water for detox but its not really a specialized detox drink

>>42716838
>Can you seriously not grasp the concept of fasting for x hours, and feeding for x hours?
Yes I can easily grasp it you faggot can you grasp youre trying to re-invent the wheel in the form of a square?
The whole point to a set feeding window is to ensure the same standard of time fasting on a daily basis to maximize IF benefits. If you keep moving the window around you cant get into a set routine.

>>42716868
Can you grasp that I don't give a fuck about your convention?

If you can, you can fuck right off

>>42716877
Im grasping youre borderline retarded and probably on your period.

>>42716862
I can totally fast for more than that lol. I pretty much have no appetite anyway, literally when I stop working out my weight drops down to 145~

>>42714080
Currently in day 4 of my fast, I did a 7 day one last month and hoping to last at least 14 days on this one, maybe if autophagy kicks in i'll last longer to remove some stretch marks.

>>42716841
how long did this take anon?

>>42717114
I started sometime in April. It's been pretty on and off.

>>42716790
>>42716811
>>42716838
>>42716868
48:24

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>>42715859
>>42715863
/ck/ is great

>>42716533
>>42716545
>>42716563
Did you people not even read or watch anything in the OP? Check the first video, the 5th "mistake" of the video.

>>42718110
>celebrity trainer
>no degree of any kind
>clearly on gear
You need more than that.

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Guys where do I get the vitamin supplements to do long fasts?

Is fasting a good option for a NEET recluse aspie that doesn't exercize and leave the house? I'm really skinny-fat, as in, cellulose all over my body as a male (male). Hips, thighs, breast tissue, ass - not a beer belly. Kill me

>>42718217
I find it highly unlikely that you'll develop scurvy over even a 20 day fast.
If you lose weight and don't exercise you'll be just skinny. Vitamins are a meme if you don't eat like a retard.

>>42718244
By long fasts I mean like the redditor who went 77 days n shit - what vitamins/minerals/supplements/whatever the thing is that isn't a placebo scam do I get for that?

I probably should start slow, so if I do 24 hours > 48 hours and build from there, what kind of meal would I eat?

Currently my daily meal is like:
>chicken breast
>spinach
>brown rice

Would that be fine?

>>42718268
He mentioned what he used in thread

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>>42718268
>>42718278

>>42718166
>You need more than that.

That's not true at all.

>>42718217
I dont think you should fast. the best thing for fasting is to distract yourself by going out and doing things. being a neet is too easy to accidentally get up and eat something.

>>42718570
Except it is. Youd get that much normally.
You should increase considering youre fasting.

>>42712256
thanks fags I got what i need from reddit

>>42700080
Today is my first day doing 16:8 and it feels easy as fuck.
I spent 8 of those 16 hours sleeping so I dont have any problem.
If I continue with it and see results I will try the full day fast.
What do you recommend to do while this noob fasting? Light cardio? Hiit? Abs training? I did legs yesterday and I dont have to do nothing else til monday

>>42719434
You need to read the shit in the OP. All of it.

Also, I don't eat much salt at all. I'm a farmer and grow/raise 90% of my food now. The only salt I get is natural salts in the food or PHS that I add myself and I actually rarely use it at all. I don't eat store bought foods anymore. This fast has had me increase my salt intake by a factor of around 5-6.

>>42719729
>You need to read the shit in the OP. All of it.
Ya so do you.
>This fast has had me increase my salt intake by a factor of around 5-6.
Congratulations?

Are slight tweaks in a fast's time schedule going to fuck me up? I usually eat from 12 to 8 but I'm going on a 2hr drive today at 10AM so I need to eat something beforehand. The last food I ate yesterday was at like 4PM. Will it be fine if I have some food around 10AM and just hop back to 12-8 tomorrow?

will drinking spirits break my fast

>>42700080
>>42718268

I tought a person can only last 2-3 weeks without eating food.

How come you guys last 1-2 months?

>>42719893
the longest fast was almost a year long

guy got his nutritional needs from a multivitamin and water. his body used his stored bodyfat for energy.

he was a big guy.

>>42700296
Not him, but you're kind of a dumb faggot

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>>42719893
Longest documented fast was 382 days, he had scientists watching and multivitamins but never fell ill.
You can essentially fast as long as you want to provided you have the fat to burn off. Hence why it's the fastest way to lose weight.
I'm going to try for a 35 day fast either now or tomorrow, to go from 96kg to 74kg. Am on 23rd hour and feeling good.

>>42719886
>drinking spirits

yes. they're both caloric and effect the liver in a bad way.

>Quit coffee
>Hunger comes back with a vengeance

What do, /fit/? I was comfortably eating one meal a day late evening; so 24h between meals. Now I get hungry after I wake up, and I'm a shit ton more prone to binging.

Did I fuck up?

Will fasting fuck your metabolism up?

>>42720602
watch the damn videos
>>42720392
whyd you quit coffee?

>>42720744
Honestly? Some combination of

>I probably shouldn't be dependent on a substance.
>I don't remember what it was like to not have coffee.
>Let's see if I can

And it's been about a month. The results have been pretty meh.

>Sleep sounder
>Have no on demand energy

>>42720782
Thats fine and dandy but there is nothing wrong with enjoying coffee responsibly. If you want to keep it going thats fine but no reason to.

>>42700080
I currently drink two (2) largish cups of brewed coffee a day. How bad is the caffeine withdrawal gonna be if I do a fast?

>>42720392
Drink club soda

>>42720782
I'm doing exactly the same thing right now actually, it's pretty strange how it effects you. Having no on demand energy is fucking hard though, I feel that. If you get shitty sleep you're just done for all day.

>>42720886
Why?

>>42720853
Uh... why would you not drink coffee on a fast?

>>42720928
Yeah, also when there simply is work you don't want to do is a lot more difficult to overcome.

>>42720833
Fair, the winter is cooling, and my biggest problem is that I really just miss having a warm drink.

>>42721141
Club soda helps you feel "full"

Done a short fast before, but I have a question.
Will it improve my learning ability? I fucked up in college.

Will fasting cure my autismo?

>>42721221
Aside from improving your willpower, no I don't think fasting can have that effect.
Unless you're impaired your brain is pretty much capable of running at 100% all the time.
Sugar fuels the brain. To improve learning get a good night's rest.

Is it true that BCAAs break IF? How the fuck am I supposed to work out in the mornings on a 16/8 split without taking BCAAs to minimize muscle loss?

>>42721663
Eat your first meal in the morning?
Are all Americans this stupid? kek

>>42721706
>skip dinner with my girlfriend
no thanks, yuroape

>>42721221
I'm the complete opposite.

I found repeatedly that studying while on keto or fasting during college made it significantly easier to focus and study.

Hell even to this day when I'm on keto I can sit and read a whole book in one sitting and absorb all of it. While on any other diet I can barely force myself to finish 30 or 40 pages in one sitting before having to put it away and do something else.

I'm even at the point when I'm attempting to learn something new, whether reading, or doing, or watching I'll fast to get into a keto state for that learning. I find it sticks with me faster and my uptake and actualization of the information and knowledge seems to stick more and more quickly.

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>>42721790
If you can't solve this equation just kill yourself you obese fuck

>>42721825
>obese
I'm trying to cut from about 16% to 12%, Ahmed.

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>>42721825
>free smells

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>>42721854
>16% to 12%
brain usage? KEK

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daily reminder to not give yuropoors yous

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(^:

>>42721886
he didnt say anything wrong.

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>>42722033
merifat detected

>>42722053
Did an american fuck your gf dude? Seriously whats your problem?

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>>42722062
Calm down billy :^)

>>42722086
>calm down
Youre the one going crazy posting all kind of images and arguing like an autist.

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>>42722165
If you want me to stop just stop being fat, ugly and stupid (^:

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those yuropoor vs burgers posts are all made by aussies

>>42722192
Dude i have no idea why youre so mad but good job i guess

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>>42722212
fattie

>>42722260
when people talk about autism, i finnaly get that this si what they mean

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>>42722306
fattie fat fat

>>42720352
Imagine his loose skin

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>would love to water fast for long term if I could
>can't because it would massively complicate my life due to my job
Does anyone else know these feels? I did a 5 day fast before and it wasn't bad, but I'm kind of stuck to doing IF for a whole range of reasons.

>>42700080
are there any drinks that don't spike your insulin to break your fast or is that just a meme?

>>42722979
>black coffee
>water
>sparkling water

just read the labels of what you want to eat/drink

>>42722979
>>42723015
alright thanks anon

>>42722445

Not a problem. Fasting results in autophagy, aka your body looking for anything it can afford to break down for fuel. Its how your body is supposed to run garbage collection.

Loose skin gets eaten on a fast that long.

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>>42720782
Here's the thing, when it comes to plain health benefits and synergistic effects along with fasting, coffee is literally one of the best thing you can and should have.

coffee really helped boost my autophagy and my acne has been clearing out like a mofo once I started doing 4 cups daily

If you're not going to do coffee, I implore you to at least do green tea

It's been a long while so i can't remember, but can anyone tell me if the munchies when you're high is your stomach actually rumbling, feelings of hunger, etc. or is it a more psychological "oh man I really want food now"?

>>42723667
>I implore you to at least do green tea
there was some article, i think it was by dr rhonda patrick, that talked about how some antioxidants in green tea inhibit autophagy in some fashion. While coffee actually enhances it.

>>42700080
would not fasting for a day and then going 24:0 and continuing that routine still allow me to lose fat?

>>42724060
Thats basically Alternate day fasting. And sure why wouldnt it?

>>42724060
ADF is the best overall fasting method honestly. Weight loss, muscle retention, ease of diet, etc.

http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/alternate-day-fasting-guide

>>42723667
I think I'll just go back to coffee. I absolutely suck at being warm when I fast, and when it gets cold I'll probably just fucking die without warm drinks.

>>42724074
>>42724110
dang didnt know about that, thanks anons

>>42719157
I think video games + no food in house is a winning formula. I should have fasted when botw came out.

>>42724895
>botw
cringe

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https://selfhacked.com/blog/autophagy-benefits-and-how-to-harness/

Another good article on autophagy

>>42717093
Update, I fucked up and ate today so will have to restart my fast. The worst thing is living at home and parents keep on bringing home food to tempt you with. I just need better resolve and well I'm restarting my fast tomorrow.

Beginning a 300h water fast today. Did pretty well on my last one but fucked it up on the refeeding after 10 days of just water and tea. We'll see how it goes this time.

>>42726572
nice I started today too shooting for 7-10 days. How did you mess up refeeding?

>>42726592
I binged instead of eating something light, worst kidney pain of my life afterwards would not recommend I fr thought I would die.
7 days is a good goal I'd say go for that and then keep going up to 10 if you feel capable, aiming too high can drive you insane

does eating boogers count

How do I deal with the mood swings when I'm hungry. I get extremely grouchy and easily triggered when I'm hungry. Caffeine makes me not feel hungry but makes me more aggressive. Am I just not cut out for this?

>>42727453
Just eat some clay

>>42710346
fast 1 day a week or 2-3 days every two weeks

>>42727453
Are you doing extended fast or IF? if you're doing extended without starting with IF, you're a goober, if you're doing heavy IF without starting at 16:8, you're also a goober

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What do you break your fasts with, anon?

>>42727931
A handful of lettuce
Refeeding syndrome is real

On day 4 of extended fast
How the fuck do I sleeeeeep

>>42728021
enjoying the epi?

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best sweeteners for keto?

>>42728098
Stevia allegedly has potent anti-inflammatory and heart protective affects in addition to being a good sugar substitute

How do I tell if multivitamins+iron is water soluble? Also does that mean I put it in my drink or just swallow it?

>>42703416
I've been doing 16:8 for about a month now, but thinking about trying a week, I would suggest not starting out at 24/0 because I got dizzy a couple times at work for the first few days of 16:8

>>42712245
fuck, I didn't even cry at his lady crying. This picture just tore a hole in my heart.

>>42728393
>taking iron
enjoy your cancer

>>42723653
I would like to see some proof of that. We dont have shirtless pic of that guy

>>42712245
Is that Gladiator reference?

>>42716868
do you really think your body is finely tuned to a 24 hour day? your body doesn't care. you would literally get better results from 20:5 than from 18:6.

>>42728444
OMAD is super easy, so is alternate day. I'd suggest doing OMAD first and planning out your meals in advance

Don't forget to get a high salt and electrolyte intake

>>42728598
>alternate day
What is this?

How do you get your macros on OMAD? Probably just daily dose of veggies in one sitting would make me full as fuck

>>42728598
yea, I should probably progress to that first. I've kinda been naturally doing it anyway. my biggest problem is I'm unable to get more than like 90-100g of protein in one meal.

>>42700080
Any of you use electrolyte tablets while fasting? I'm looking at some online, but not sure if they're really necessary.

Well I just finished a 3 day fast.
Took me 3 hours to finish some soup and bread and I almost threw up. It's better now but I got some nasty acid reflux.
Visibly lost weight though.

What is the difference between fasting and low calories?

If I drink a coffee with 100 calories of cream and some creatine I'm technically not fasting but the calories I had were low enough. So then I would still lose weight because I'm still burning more than I am consuming?

>>42728393
Are you American? I'm not European, I just want to comment on how bad our educational system is. Seriously, you should probably re-read your post.

>>42729010
The difference is hormone levels in your body.
Just watch one of the lectures in the OP. Fasting is quite different from caloric restriction.

I need to bulk and gain strength
How should I approach fasting?

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>>42728565
>Is that Gladiator reference?
yep
>>42728532
ya it looks realistic

>>42728591
You are literally wrong. Look up what a circadian rhythm is mouth breather.
This is why stuff gets called a fad diet, cause morons like you come along and try and re-invent the wheel with your own unique retarded spin.

>>42728712
>>42728767
You guys gotta realize 95% of the benefit most people here are looking for is easy weight loss through fasting. The other beenfits are just gravy. So the fact you get full as all fuck on OMAD is a huge benefit. Use OMAD and ADA to quickly drop most of the fat you need then switch it up if you need to for muscle building.
>>42729304
Realistically you dont need to. If youre trying to gain weight itll be hard enough for a skelly.

>on a diet for a week
>eat a jar of nutella and bananas for breakfast

Why is life so difficult?

>>42729372
but i want autophagy and the benefits maaaan fuck

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>>42729670
>eat a jar of nutella

I hope you did spread it on bread and not did this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_a8VXhiSc

Is IF supposed to be done every day? Will it have any benefits if do some light fasting like 16:8 two times per week, say Mondays and Fridays? I'm not trying to lose weight, just reaping any possible health benefits.

>>42729699
>take spoon
>put it on banana
>eat banana
>repeat until out of nutella and bananas

10000000000 ccals confiremd

>>42729670
nutella is fucking disgusting meme food. fuck you and go back to /r/rickandmorty

>>42729713
no

How does long term fasting not fuck your metabolism up?

>>42730002
explain how it does.

>be skinnyfat noob
>only lifting for a little more than 2 months now
>have been on a 16:8 diet for a few weeks now because told to cut to around 15% from my estimated 20% bf
>have been making decent progress weight-wise but all my lifts save for squats/deadlifts have been stalling like crazy
>can't seem to get rid of my bitch tits or stomach

what do?

>>42730028
You're sure you're not underestimating your BF%?
Bitch tits at 15% or even 20 is pretty strange.
Usually stomach is the last bastion for the 15% fat.

>>42730141
>Bitch tits at 15% or even 20 is pretty strange.

I think you misunderstand how the bf% works. That is very normal. The way people at home calculate bf is very wonky and subject to wild error margins.

I'm doing a 10 day water fast while on test, tren and mast and some t3 and clen.

I got a lung infection for 3 weeks a while back and couldn't lift at all and just ate like shit and gained prolly 7lbs, gotta get that face fat and lower back fat out.

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Just Breaking Fast on a 10-day Fast today. I started with juice. 1/1 ratio of juice and water, 8oz total. I have a juicer so I'm able to toss in anything I want to make juice. Here's what I used,

Water
Green-stemmed Swiss Chard (Beta vulgaris)
Lady's Thumb (Persicaria maculosa)
Peppermint (Mentha × piperita)
Hot Banana Pepper (Capsicum annuum)
Yellow Pear Tomato (Lycopersicon lycopersicum var. Yellow Pear)
Purslane (Portulaca oleracea)
American Burnweed (Erechtites hieracifolia)
Basil (Ocimum basilicum)
Nasturtium (Tropaeolum majus)
Ribwort Plantain (Plantago lanceolata)
Concord Grape (Vitis labrusca var. Concord)

I grow all this stuff in my own garden, for general eating purposes. Drinking this stuff is an exercise in mental fortitude. I have similar mixes of green juices a few times a year, so at least I know how to deal with it mentally. Since I needed more carbs, the grape juice really helps get it down a lot easier. Regardless, when drinking a wild green juice like this I always feel a bit nauseous for about 15 mins and it goes away. Nothing difference this time and I feel fine right now.

I have to drink juice 4 times today. I can't wait for the 7th so I can eat something normal.

Started water fast today. Goal is 14 days. How do I enter keto faster? Cardio?

>>42730614
>How do I enter keto faster?
Just wait my dear boy

So, I'm on day 4 of my water last, plan to slowly start reintroducing food by way of juice and broth later today, in the hopes of being able to handle something like real food by Tuesday.

But I've got a serious question, and its not about refeeding.

I have an Omron health monitor scale, the kind that measures your weight but also has a hand device you hold so it can measure your body composition with conductivity. According to the Omron, I've lost more than 6 pounds in the last 4 days. Thats fine. But the Omron shows that my body fat percentage is going UP and my Muscle percentage is going DOWN.

I thought this shit wasn't supposed to happen because I was in ketosis? I have confirmed the presence of ketones in my urine over the last couple days, but the Omron thinks I have lost a significant amount of muscle in just the last 24 hours.

What the actual hell, guys?

>>42730765
You dont need to start slowly with food when you fasted for such a short time.

Your body composition scanner is probably shit (they almost always are) and its getting confused. You lost lot of water weight and it tends to fuck them up

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>>42730614
Go for a 2 hour walk, dominic d'agostino claims that that is enough to drop your blood glucose down to keto levels, but ONLY if you have already become keto adapated and just did a one day refeed.

If you haven't done keto before, you'll need to get in good cardio across an entire week or two while not eating any carbs, you may run out of glycogen first but your brain cells will need time to adapt to oxidizing fat for energy

Should i eat maintenance kcal on alternate fasting or deficit?

How do I sleep while fasting?

>Schedule a 36h fast
>everything going well, get a shitload done
>go to sleep
>wake up after 4-5 hours completly ware like it's 2 PM
I don't want to owe to the sleep jew guys

>>42730436
jesus this autism

>>42728098
Cardio

who is fasting for? I get the feeling fasting is for fat fucks with fat stores. What about a guy who is slightly athletic, but just a little chubby? I'm 5'11" 185lbs. Been lifting for 3 1/2 months. Eating at a 500 calorie deficit and my weightloss has stalled. I've been at 185lbs for three weeks and the scale won't budge. Is fasting recommended for a guy like me? Will I lose strength in my lifts? Will I gain all the weight back really quickly?

>>42731714
Maybe
just maybe
You should actually look at the OP template

>>42700080
what supplements should I take on IF or long fasts? I already have fish oil and a multi

>>42731870
No fish oil for sure

>>42731188
Deficit if you want to lose fat faster.

>>42731647
>growing and eating your own food and needing to know their scientific names is autism

When you eat wild greens you absolutely must know everything about them or you can end up harming yourself. Posting only generic names online, even for some domestic cultivars, doesn't help anyone who may want to try them. Fasting and breaking your fast is no joke and can't be taken lightly. Otherwise, you may end up harming yourself. Keeping very good notes about everything can also help you for historical reasons if you do it again or help medical technicians know what you've been doing to fuck yourself up should it be needed.

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Not a fast but
>whole fuckton of celery and several fistfuls of plain baby spinach - negligible calories
>sausage mcsausage - 520 calories
>slab of bread cheese - 450 calories
>half a gallon of water - priceless
>only lunchtime and i probably wont be able to eat for the rest of the day
>skin healthy as fuck
>dropping waterweight like a maniac and my jawline is looking more iconic by the day

Why didnt anyone tell me keto was so PISS?????? It sick it revolting

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I think most of this thread is pic related.

>>42733344
Idiots will call knowledge autism.

I have to go to a dinner in a few days but I'm still in the middle of a fast, if I eat only keto will it still jeopardize my progress?

>>42733379
How long?
Because you probably won't even be able to eat if it's a 3+ day fast.

>>42733373
Too bad good healthcare will keep them alive long enough to breed.

>>42733396
I'm on day 5 of 14, don't want to be the asshole who orders only a salad but I guess that's what I gotta do right?

>>42729705
If you're at the point where you think doing IF twice a week is good enough and you're already eating more than 8 hours a day daily, You have bigger, much more serious problems

>>42733497
I'm guessing this is your first fast if you don't have the experience of having your stomach being the size of a walnut for the first couple days.
You have two options: skip the dinner or start to refeed 2 days before.
You won't be able to get even the salad down if you try to eat dinner right out of a fast.

First day of my long fast. Last time I did it it was 11 days. This time I aim for 14+.

What vitamins and minerals can I take without fucking over my fast?

I got this at home. Would it fuck me over?

https://www.reflexnutrition.com/nexgen-pro-sports-multivitamin/

>>42733942
The hard truth is you dont need any multi unless the fast is very very long. People telling you you need one are the same people who say dont swim after eating. Youll be perfectly fine. With that being said any time of amino acid and some antioxidants will shut down autophagy. I remember seeing something saying that antioxidants in green tea actually inhibit autophagy but the ones in coffee enhance it.

>>42733985
Shit. So lets say I want to do very very long. What should I supplement?

>>42734051
Dude its up in the air. Some sources say people have gone 30 days with literally nothing but salt. Others say to supplement more than that. I honestly think the real answer is no one knows. Chances are if you used to eat a horrible diet and chances are you dont have high stores of fat soluble vitamins. idk im no expert.

>>42734749
That's because human health and dietary health are so complicated and have so many variables that no one knows 100% what they need or don't need. In this regard, we are all super special snowflakes. Which is why there's so much horseshit in nutrition "entertainment".

>>42734846
I definitely agree.

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How does food and juice taste to you guys who have just finished a long fast (10 days or more)?

>>42735009
That has to be one of the most unfunny images ive ever seen posted here. You should seriously feel bad for posting it dude.

anyone doing eat stop eat?

>>42735089
Is that just ADF?

>>42735135
two 24 hours fasts a week

>>42735040
It is a /tv/ meme.

>>42736891
No it definitely isnt, and even if it was it still sint funny at all

>>42736904
Lurk moar, n00b.

>>42736994
Im on tv every single day. That shit is not posted on there and isnt funny.

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N E W T H R E A D
>>42737043
N E W T H R E A D

>>42735040
>read your comment
>open image
>laugh hysterically
I don't get it

>>42737069
this dude is cute