You don't believe in the lipids hypothesis scam, do you?

my whole life is a lie

>>42698696
Well, they had sugary supplements and junkfood to shill.
Couldn't let the naturenigger hippies get people to eat healthily and natural foods.

>he actually thinks people stopped eating less fats

99% of the junk food normies think are "high carb" in-fact actually high fat with normal amounts of carbs.


For example, a donut has a normie amount of carbs, but a shit load of fat, but normies think it's the carbs the fucks them with donuts, when nope, it's in fact the fat. Take away the fat from the donut and donuts are suddenly 1/3rd the calories.

>inb4 people start argueing about fat vs sugar

heres the real breakdown on how to stay healthy
>eat mostly plants
>avoid hydrogenated oils like palm oil
>a little sugar is fine, should come mostly from fruits
>exercise regularly
>stop eating all day, fit all of your meals into a IF style window
>try to stay away from xenoestrogens like BPA; bottled water, canned foods etc
>start supplementing vit D3, B12 and magnesium. Most people are deficient in these

when they say carbohydrates they mean good carbs that come from 100% whole grains. most people still get too much fat and cholesterol in their diet, but just because saturated fat/cholesterol are bad in high doses doesn't mean you don't need them. saturated fat is key in testosterone production. hit your daily allowance.

>>42698801
You're wrong on so many levels. Read some articles by Rob Wolf.

I'm taking a nutrition class in college right now and half the book it literally "eat less fat because it has more calories per gram, eat more while grains and dairy". W t f. This is the latest edition too.

>>42698922
nutrition is a joke, the fact that the standards change every 10 years should tell you that by now

>>42698801
>>42698810
>>42698815

What did we eat in the wild? Animals, high in fats and protein, along with plants. Why would fat be deadly to a living thing when it is what we would eat most.

Sugar and carbs cause inflammation in your body, which damage your arteries which leads to heart disease.

>>42700020
That's wrong though, the success rate of primitive hunters is not good enough to allow daily meat consumption. We would have eaten a mainly plant based diet with a small amount of meat every few days.

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>>42698936
The standards haven't changed in 50 years. There has been virtually no change.

>>42698696
Americans became fat because the glycemic index was invented

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>>42698696
Nobody ever followed the guidelines. What does this have to do with the lipid hypothesis? What happened was already (skinny)fat people kept overeating and gaining weight. In the 70-80s they managed the hit the arbitrarily defined BMI cutoff for obesity

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/93/7/14-150565.pdf
http://nutsci.org/2014/06/13/no-dietary-guidelines-are-not-making-us-sick/
http://www.in.gov/isdh/files/FoodbytesWinter_2016.pdf#page=10

In fact, many guidelines were released in *response* to all of the (skinny)fat people gaining weight, like the 1968 Scandinavian ones

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1753-4887.1968.tb00943.x/abstract

The USDA ones in particular

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0306919279900824

>The dietary goals recommending decreased consumption of certain foods reflect, in part, increasing concern over the prevalence of obesity stemming from overeating by consumers relative to their energy utilization.

http://journals.lww.com/nutritiontodayonline/Citation/1980/03000/Nutrition_and_Your_Health_Dietary_Guidelines_for.4.aspx

>If you are too fat, your chances of developing some chronic disorders are increased. Obesity is associated with high blood pressure, increased levels of blood fats (triglycerides) and cholesterol, and the most common type of diabetes. All of these, in turn, are associated with increased risks of heart attacks and strokes. Thus, you should try to maintain "ideal" weight.

>To Lose Weight
>Increase physical activity
>Eat less fat and fatty foods
>Eat less sugar and sweets
>Avoid too much alcohol

>>42698801
This, it's the super fuckload of calories people consume.

>>42700267
THIS
SOMEONE FUCKING GETS IT

Know what else people primarily ate after farming became the norm? Grains. Basically the overwhelming majority of humans ate grains all day every day up until about 1900 when factory farming animals became commonplace. Before then meat was a commodity for the rich.

>>42698696
Notice that the image you posted doesn't actually provide any evidence that a low fat high carb diet makes you obese, or that the people who gained weight were eating such a diet, it just lies to you by implying a correlation between the two (even though these are the exact same people who cry about muh correlation does not equal causation when they talk about cholesterol).

>>42700267
https://www.slideshare.net/mikibendor/carnivourus-paleolithic-diet-miki-bendor-ahs13-24907026

>>42700020
Blueberries and sweet potatoes cause inflammation and artery damage?

>>42701511
If you lived in an area where agriculture was possible, sure. A lot of people lived on marginal land where nothing much besides grass could grow. Your only option there is to raise animals that can eat grass, and eat them.

>>42700267
Wouldnt it depend on the climate?

>>42700267
Yep. They sure as shit weren't finding and killing large game every day. Probably mostly trapping smaller game like rabbits, squirrels, maybe birds if they had a decent bow, and finding snakes and what not.

But sneaking up close enough to a deer or something to use your shitty bow made of twine would have been pretty rare.

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>>42698696
i literally and unironically want fat people to die--especially before they rack up healthcare costs that my premiums and tax dollars pay for

>>42698801
>For example, a donut has a normie amount of carbs
nigger you are dumb as fuck

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>>42698696
It isn't any particular nutrient that is causing the obesity epidemic - it's a dramatic increase in the palatability of foods over the last 50 years. Humans can survive, and even thrive, off of a huge variety of shit. Some people eat mostly fruit or coconuts or some shit, some humans eat literally nothing but meat.

Obesity is caused by overeating, which is caused by eating foods that are palatable enough to deactivate the hormonal mechanisms that sate appetite. If you don't eat anything that comes in a bag or a box, you probably won't get fat. But there are as many ways to eat right as there are foods that occur in the wild. They all just share one thing in common: they taste boring as fuck. Oh well. It's boring food, or it's a fat ass and an early grave.

>>42698815
dietary cholesterol has zero correlation with serum cholesterol in healthy individuals

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>>42698696
>>42698768

I think the scientists probably had healthier carbohydrates in mind like fruits, vegetables, whole grain, and beans/legumes, but instead people took it to mean that they could eat a bunch of pop tarts and pretzels.

calories make you fat
calories kill you

americans eat too much, there's no conspiracy

>>42703522
That's not exactly true. The link between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol is contradictory, meaning there's evidence for and against the link.

There's no conclusive link between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol. It's dishonest to say there's zero correlation.

>>42702233
lies and deception. roman welfare was grain carts. it's called bread and circus.

everything that comes out of your mouth is a lie because you're either stupid or evil.

>>42704105
there's no proof for dietary cholesterol having a causal, proportional relationship with serum cholesterol when other factors such as saturated and unsaturated fat intake are taken into account.

>Spoon 200 calories of jam before going for a run
>Perfectly fine

>spoon 200 calories of coconut oil before a run
>Feel like i'm 5 month back in cardiovascular capacity .

>>42704113
dude you gotta get back on your meds

>>42703750
Nah, they were dishonest shills who lied to protect the sugar industry.

Recently read a book called The Salt Fix which goes into detail about this. Science never supported the government's dietary recommendations. They just lied.

>>42698696
dietary recommendations are not responsible for the rise in obesity

the move away from physical labor to office work is the #1 culprit, #2 is the sweetening of american foods and addition of cheese to everything whcih started in the 1980s

other factors are microwavable foods, working mothers, etc etc

>>42705821
Dietary recommendations are exactly why American food is all loaded with sugar.

"Low fat" and "low sodium" mean low flavour. With no limit on added sugar in the guidelines, sweetener became the standard way to make food palatable.

>>42705874
No, naive little anon, it's just that the food industry realized as a whole that people eat more of sweeter foods. Has nothing to do with the recs whatsoever.

>>42705877
You're uneducated.

People like salt and fats. But they were told not to eat those.

Meanwhile they were told sugar is perfectly healthy.

>>42705877
It has everything to do with the US government's dietary recommendations, which recommended low fat, low sodium diets.

>>42701511
>>42703307
>>42704113

Farming has been around for like 6000 years and only in certain populations, bearing in mind we've been around 200,000+ years we predominantly ate animal diets. Plant foraging wouldn't have been consistent enough year round and most tribes migrated following herds since we weren't sedentary animals until farming.

Meat was the most available and best source of energy, provided us with clothes to wear too. You won't survive long in an ice age or dry desert without fats for your body to survive on, scavenging a few plants gear and there won't so fuck all.

Hold on though, I was taught in school we evolved to hunter gatherers using our brains to craft tools to hunt animals, and the new protein and fat rich diet allowed our brains to grow bigger, and our digestive tracts to start to shrink smaller

vegans literally want to turn back evolution

>>42704229
Yeah you're not supposed to just spoon in oil you fucking moron

>>42704229
Oils take longer for the body to process than sugar, you faggot

>inuit populations eat 100% animal diet
>no heart disease

beep

>>42705809
>Recently read a book called The Salt Fix
hahahahhhaa
>>42705874
>With no limit on added sugar in the guidelines
hahahaahha
>>42705885
>Meanwhile they were told sugar is perfectly healthy.
hahahhahah
>>42706039
>bearing in mind we've been around 200,000+ years we predominantly ate animal diets
LOL

>>42706095
It's because they eat a lot of fish and organ meat. That's how they get vitamins and trace nutrients. Muscle meat is kind of the crappiest part of the animal nutritionally, yet it's the only meat most people ever eat.

>>42698810
>start supplementing vit D3, B12 and magnesium. Most people are deficient in these
bitch I eat liver

>>42706118
Wow, great post!

>>42706371
Fag
>Recently read a book called The Salt Fix
The book is bullshit
https://honey-guide.com/2017/08/21/evolving-salt/
Also, James D. is a known fraud and quack

>With no limit on added sugar in the guidelines
Every guideline since the beginning of guidelines told people to minimize intake of refined sugar.
People just don't do what the guidelines say (even if they try). The majority of Americans KNOW they have a shitty diet (~2/3 admit), and they are "trying" to fix it, they just fail. - Look at any of the Gallup and Pew polls regarding nutrition and food (same situation in other countries)

>>Meanwhile they were told sugar is perfectly healthy.
There was never a public perception, not expert opinion, that sugar is healthy. At best, experts considered (and still consider) sugar to be harmless/neutral (without weight gain), whereas the public believes it to be harmful/negative.

>bearing in mind we've been around 200,000+ years we predominantly ate animal diets
The human diet has always been mixed and opportunistic, but starchy carbohydrates were probably a major part of it far before agriculture (http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/682587) - exogenous glucose needed to sustain large brain + optimize muscular power and recovery especially in men. Most wild land animals are lean, so only their brain would provide some fat (70% fat by calories, mostly unsaturated + n-3), and bone marrow (also unsaturated). The diet was potentially higher in protein than contemporary (-> converted to glucose), whereas there is no specific consensus that the diet was very high in fat (above 35%) - estimates ranging from 20-25% fat (i.e. rather low-fat, Eaton/Konner), to 35-40% (Cordain, Wolf) - but always low in saturated fat
There was no predominantly animal diet because the risk-reward is often bad, and animal flesh spoils quickly outside of high latitude Ice Age, nuts and tubers, wild beans and grains can be stored (beans and grains predate agriculture)

>>42703417
The truth

>>42703522
its not the dietary cholesterol that increases serum cholesterol, its the high body fat and genetic risk factors that increase serum cholesterol. A=/=C, but A can =B, which =C
eat whatever you want just dont get fat

So, what the fuck can I eat?!

>>42698696
Implying anyone listened to te guidelines. People have been eating more and more fat from meat as the years went on

>>42700312
correlation =! causation

>>42706610
>I don’t have the time or interest to review a whole book a subsection of Chapter 2 reviewed here

The Salt Fix is an excellent book and this excerpt that is reviewed is irrelevant.

It's not even worth reading this "review" you linked.

Try reading the book itaelf.

>>42707086

meat and vegetables

>>42705821
This. A 1925 study found that Missouri farmers consumed on average 4500 calories per day.

>>42707868
I won't read the book because the author is a known fraud whose entire career revolves around telling uninformed laypeople that experts are wrong about everything, by citing inappropriate sources in a misleading fashion.

>The Salt Fix is an excellent book and this excerpt that is reviewed is irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant when it proves that the author is a fraud.

And if it's irrelevant it shouldn't be in the book to begin with.

>>42707946
There's nothing misleading about The Salt Fix.

The blog you linked is written by a moron. Did you even read it?

>I’m not quite sure what to make of this. Have you ever tried catching fish with a stick

The guy is so dumb he doesn't know about spear fishing.

Try reading The Salt Fix, then read the blog you linked. You will feel embarrassed.

>>42707973
I already know what the book's gonna say because the author is a moron/quack/fraud. It's gonna talk about aldosterone, about wound-healing and inflammation, and how there's a J or U-shaped association between sodium and mortality (citing studies from McMaster U, Yusuf etc.). So exciting. He might also sprinkle in a little of the ol' "saturated fat is good for you" and "sugar is the REAL cause of obesity and cardiovascular disease" because that's all this quack has shit into the scientific literature for the past 5 years. I've known about James D. for years before he published this idiot magnet of a book.

>>42708022
And yet you link to blogs written by functionally retarded people who think "LOL SPEAR FISHING? THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY EXIST!" is a valid argument.

It's an impeccable book and the US government deliberately lied when they demonized salt and gave a free pass to sugar.

>In 1979, a study found that swapping the same number of calories of wheat starch with those of sugar was found to increase fasting insulin and insulin responses to a sugar load.127 Then, in 1981, Reiser and colleagues published another study showing that when wheat starch was replaced with sugar, even when calories were kept the same, more people eventually developed diabetes/prediabetes.128 Yet four years after this data was published, the 1985 Dietary Guidelines for Americans stated that “contrary to widespread belief, too much sugar in your diet does not cause diabetes.” This was a direct contradiction to the scientific literature.

>I’ll be blunt: we were lied to.

It's a great book. You seem very uneducated and illiterate.

>>42698696
Doesn't matter a fuck since the overweight/obese clearly don't follow government dietary guidelines anyway

>>42708086
Food manufacturers definitely take the dietary guidelines into account. That is why stuff is so low sodium and high in sugar.

And that is why "low fat" and "low sodium" foods became popular. All loaded with sweeteners, because fat and salt taste good and when you remove them you must add some other flavour.

>>42708081
>It's an impeccable book and the US government deliberately lied when they demonized salt and gave a free pass to sugar.
I already told you that I know James D. is a money-hungry fraud and thus his book only appeals to foggy-brained retards tho think that "LOL dietary guidelines made us fat and unhealthy xDDD all experts were wrong about everything lollolol" despite the fact you obviously have zero understanding of physiology, biochemistry or anything related to nutrition or its scientific history.

And you would actually have to be completely out of touch with the realm of nutritional pseudoscience to think that Jamesie's book is anything other than the 100th minimally modified ripoff of Gary Taubes. Like, you are actually quoting this shit like it's some novel claim, and not the same beaten to death horse that quacks have been selling to fat idiots for years. "We were lied to", WOW so fucking original and totally not GCBC, Teicholz and Lustig. A fool and his money are soon parted

>>42707139
So? Doo doo != pee pee, doesn't keep your mother from slathering both all over her cotton-pickin' breasts.

>>42706084
>>42706072
I also tried more extreme

>400g of pasta (dry weight) RIGHT before going on the run
>no problem beside stomach feeling full

>around 500 kcals of pb
>Feel like i'm going to pass out

Fat literally thicken your blood to hell and back .

>>42708221
And yet you link to blogs written by functionally retarded people who think "LOL SPEAR FISHING? THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY EXIST!" is a valid argument.

>>42708288
Not the guy you are responding to, but please just stop anon. You are embarrassing yourself.

>>42708221
Don't bother. You're not going to change his mind. Nobody on the internet is interested in figuring out what's actually true. People just want to win the argument.

>>42708378
LOL did you say fartgument? WTF bro?

>>42708375
The only person embarrassing himself here is the guy who linked to a blog written by an illiterate moron.

>>42708378
He can easily change my mind. Just provide evidence for his claims.

I read the blog he linked. It's very bad.

>>42708221
Hold on let me change your mind with some natural cures (((They))) don't want you to know about.

>>42698922
>>42698936

To be fair, for most people I'd say that's pretty decent advice. If you're a fat fuck that never exercises then you need to be eating fewer calories regardless of the macro composition. And lower fat keeps them away from bullshit processed snacks and garbage food that are high fat/high sugar. It's not like if you tell them to eat more fat they'll be grilling up some nice fatty steaks.