Is poverty the reason for the obesity crisis?

>>42652771
>He thinks you can't lose weight eating only burgers
CICO nigg

>>42652771
>implying you get THAT burger for 1 dollar
>implying you need to eat salads to be healthy
>implying you can't buy an onion, tomato, pepper, and half dozen eggs for 4 dollars and feed 3 people a meal

>>42652791
/thread

>>42652771
nothing = $0
t. socialist

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>>42652791
>eggs
Eggs aren't healthy at all though.

>>42652782
This, I eat 1-2 double hamburgers from McDonalds 5 days a week on work break, currently 165(was 220 6 years ago, i don't have good genetics for ez bod).

Just dont eat the fucking fries, sodas and shakes with 900-1200 empty calories

>>42652826
>i don't have good genetics
>I eat 1-2 double hamburgers from McDonalds 5 days a week
>i don't have good genetics

>>42652823
Oh yes, 'because x isn't healthy it can't mean it could be a cheaper and better choice than the even more awful y, therefore i just just eat y and get fat anyways'

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>>42652771
Yes. Getting pic related for a few bucks is way cheaper and easier than planning and preparing healthy food.

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Actually it is.
>be poor baby in poor environment
>on shitty diet as a kid so you become a brainlet
>brainlet gets shitty poor education so he gets a shitty job or becomes a criminal
>shitty jobs are soul crushing and monotone with long hours
>after 10+ hours of shitty job, brainlet only wants to eat and sleep and doesn't want to spend time cooking and managing expenses (nobody taught him this anyways so he probably isn't even aware of this being a possibility)
>one of the very few pleasures he can experience is eating shitty food and maybe smoke weed
>weed makes the brainlet's brain even smaller and more retarded
>brainlet is now 35 with 15+ years of doing the same shit all day every day with a fucked up body and brain
>brainlet spawns 3 children who follow his path apart from the very few who get out of the cycle, leave town and become happier and better

>>42652938
I don't get 4chan's hate on weed. It's way healthier than the advocated alcohol.

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>>42652843
Not him but It's completely possible.

Hell he could eat three a day if his goal was staying under 1200 calories.

>>42652938
Bullshit answer. Good job at avoiding an attempt to answer why salads are so expensive.

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>>42652823

>>42653014
Salads are worth whatever the market is willing to pay for it

>>42653025
>Dietary Guidelines for Americans has made many, many, many contradictions over the past years

but THIS TIME is just has to be correct, right?

>>42653025
>he believes in academia
lol

>>42652791
Maybe in America. In the UK you're looking at double that. I know my parents would rather bulk out 90% of our meals with cheap flour based/frozen foods, white rice, pasta, bread, potatoes etc and give us the tiniest amount of lean protein (growing up I might not even get a whole chicken drumstrick/leg) because meat and perishable fruit beg are expensive. Processed foods are cheap and last forever because they're practically not even food anymore.

>>42653014
Does he really have to 'explain' it to you?
Preference for healthy food goes up with economic status, so healthy options cost more.
No loss of sale to poor people that can't afford it, since they wouldn't want it in the first place, and more gain from the sale to the slightly richer people that buy them.

>>42653054
Being that there are more direct studies on the subject now, I would say they are more correct than in the past.

>>42653092
>more correct

Yay, the probability of them being right went up by 1%! Better start eating all those foods that apparently caused cancer a few years ago!

>>42653025
I love how retards still bring this up even though it was redacted and never made it into the recommendations. There is a strong consensus across all guidelines that dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol, it just happens to be the case that this effect is overall less relevant than the effect of saturated fat, so it is not the most important thing to focus on unless you eat 10 eggs a day.

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>>42653115

>>42653111
You do know how science works right?
Why would you base your idea that "Dietary cholesterol= Bad" off of scientific studies, but then willfully ignore "Dietary cholesterol= Good" from newer more detailed scientific studies?
Is it because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions, or because it doesn't fit your narrative?

>>42653132
What are you doing? And that statement is already retarded to begin with; "does not translate in into high blood cholesterol", no, but it translates into INCREASED LDL cholesterol. Most people consume 300-500 mg C a day, cutting that to 100-300 has a smaller effect for most people than cutting satfat to 6-7%

>>42652823
Fuck off vegan shill eggs are one of the most nutritionaly dense foods on the planet .

>>42652771
Somewhat, because lower class people are disproportionately more obese than those who are middle or upper class.

t. lived next to a poor Indian reservation where everyone's a fucking whale.

>>42653115
>http://suppversity.blogspot.ca/2012/02/eat-whole-eggs-all-day-and-throw-your.html
>If you do yet take a look at the actual effects the natural cholesterol from the egg-containing diets had on the blood lipids of the rodents (cf figure 3), you will notice that those were statistically non-existent. In other words, only the lard + synthetic cholesterol diet had a statistically significant negative impact on the plasma lipids of the rats.
>The 375x higher dietary cholesterol intake in the egg-groups, on the other hand, did not only shut down the endogenous cholesterol synthesis, as evidenced by the reduction in hydroxymethylglutaryl CoA reductase expression (HMG-CoA R, cf. figure 4) and increase its metabolization into bile acid via cholesterol 7a -hydroxylase (CYP71A), it also increased the LDL receptor expression in the liver (lack of LDL-r expression in the brain is associated with increased plaque formation in Alzheimer's, cf. Katsouri. 2011), lowered the formation and storage of cholesterol esterified cholesterol in the tissue by reducing acyl-CoA:cholesterol acyltransferase (ACAT) and increased the maturation of HDL and peripheral tissue cholesterol efflux via increased lecithin cholesterol acyltransferase (LCAT) expression.

>>42652771
I never seen a burger for $1.
Also making your own food is cheaper.

Eggs, Milk, Oats, Chicken, Rice. That shit is not expensive.

>>42652771
Yes.
Poverty leads to low standard of education, and a tendency to seek scapegoats for their situation.
These combined lead to people having no idea how to eat healthy, and blaming their obesity on anything other than themselves.

>>42652771
>poverty
>can literally eat yourself to death

lmfao

>>42653063
fuck off m8y, in UK eggs, milk, chicken breast etc is cheap as fuck, so are a variety of fruits, frozen veg, regular veg (especially onions, potatoes etc)

if you "can't afford a whole chicken drumstick" with your meal, which is 100% possible even on benefits, then your parents are just wasting money on drink, drugs, gambling or other bullshit

Fucking sick of this bullshit argument

>>42653187
could you explain what this means in layman's terms please?

>>42652771
No, it's hundreds of millions of dollars going into advertising fast/unhealthy food each year. Modern adverts don't just inform you a product exists, they're well-honed psychological propaganda campaigns, expertly crafted to bypass your rational decision-making process and sway you into buying their product. Approximately 75% of the US economy is based on consumerism, as opposed to filling a need that existed before PR campaigns. No wonder everybody's so fat.

>>42653115
>>42653187
Incase you're having a hard time understanding
>Eggs decrease chances of developing Alzheimers
>They also reduce your bodies cholesterol stores

>>42653217
This
>>42653225

>>42652823
>eggs
>literally has all the nutrients required to nurture a chicken foetus until it can survive unassisted
>unhealthy

>all those burgers raging at "europoors" are apparently too poor to afford food
mmh sounds about right

>>42653233
>>42653225
Great, thanks a lot! Very interesting result

>>42652771
pretty sure if i make a salad it won't cost anywhere near what a burger costs

fucking excuse making fat cunts

>>42653187
Nice rat study

Too bad dietary cholesterol increases LDL cholesterol in humans, and this is agreed upon by the USDA, EFSA and WHO, as well as various European governments. Although that debate was already over in the 90s, recent meta-analyses still found the same results - 100mg cholesterol = ~+2 mg/dl LDL-C on average, but with high variability, and a greater effect for lower baseline cholesterol

as a euro fag here, can somebody please answer OPs question?

it was already said that you can make cheaper salad yourself (how much for what cost?)
and that you won't get such burger for one $1
(+ nothing = $0)

but i'm still curious about the prices
how bad is the price differences between healthy/junk food in a regular store?
(not discussing fast food, where healthy = different customer profile)

Not so much poverty as a misplaced sense of trust. People are told x is healthy and y is unhealthy by authority figures . They WANT to be healthy and try to do as they're told . The board later gets sacked for corruption/incompetence. Then they are told that y was actually healthy and x was unhealthy . This repeats for a couple generations all the while straying farther and farther from the diet that they ate when they were closer to being "healthy"

We already debunked before that piece of shit picture you posted and I'd be glad you stopped posting it.

It basically boils down to:
1) You're trying to buy a salad IN A FAST FOOD CHAIN. It's just normal the price will be higher.
2) The burger in the picture like hell is gonna be one of these $1 ones. Fake news, it's at least the triple of that.
3) Doing a salad at home is way way cheaper than that, with seven dollars you can make a salad for many days, at cents per ration.
4) YOU DON'T HAVE TO EAT OUT EVERY FUCKING DAY. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EXPENSIVE THAT WAY.

This picture is made by the typical fattie that has never really made any effort to actually look up how much actually healthy food costs.

>>42653014
Fuck off you can buy basic salad ingredients (lettuce, veggies, beans, dressing) for roughly 6 dollars and that'll make you like 4+ salads. If you have chicken laying around in bulk (which you should have anyway), you can add that in as well.

chicken can get pricey, lean cuts of pork would be a cheaper alternative.
Or cut eating meat most days and eat lentils (or generally legumes) instead

>>42653272
edgy

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>>42652771
As a European I Always thought this was bullshit until I visited the states.

I really had a hard time finding healthy food, and often when I did it was more expensive than fast food which was Always close and available in high abundance.

Even though I loved my visit to the states, the thing I missed the most was decent food, the burgers were okay but the rest was just terrible.

I would say unhealthy food being available in much higher abundance and being cheaper is definately part of the problem.

Poor and impulsive people will almost Always choose fast food in such a situation and that's a very large part of the population

>>42653301
yet true.

>>42653262
Chicken is as cheap as crisps in America and potatoes are a dollar a sack . Use that as a baseline .

>>42653311
yeah I genuinely envy americunts for their chicken (breast) prices

>>42653304
Depends heavily on region. Out of curiosity what do you consider a healthy meal when out ?

>>42652771

Lets have a look at this, using cheap stores like aldi and not being a moron who insists on organic premium
>4 quarter pounder beef burgers, £1.99
>4 wholemeal seeded buns. £1.05 - could be half the price if you went with normal baps but hey ho
>single beef tomato for £0.45, can easily do 4 toppings with that
>lettuce £0.50
>pre sliced mature cheddar £1.35
>£5.34, £1.30, 4 meals, not including cooking oil if you so choose, that'd boost it by another £1 or so

I can't see everything in that salad so best guess
>lettuce £0.50
>cucumber £0.50
>20 cherry tomatos £0.71
>3 red onions £0.75
>sweetcorn, tinned, £0.30 for 160g
>assuming you're a fancy cunt and want some rocket, 120g for £1.50
>£4.20, 4 meals £1.05, you can probably get at least half again as many from the same amount of ingredients though this isn't looking at calorific value, only making a bowl like pic related.

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>>42652771
>it's expensive to eat healthy
it really isn't

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>>42653309
1) Name one place where a salad costs a dollar, oh wait you can't.
2)The image is obviously just a stock burger image you autistic fuck, they are not talking about that one specific kind of burger.
3)Doing shit at home almost always will be cheaper, that's not the point tho since we are not talking about the cost of ingredients in bulk but a prepared product. Also, you are not considering the time you spend making it (unless your time is not worth anything), the utensils, etc.
4)>1$-7$ is expensive. Just lol.

This response was made by the typical fresh out of rebblit contrarian who wants to be an edgy special snowflake while at the same time is ignorant of his own retardedness.

>>42652771
1kg of tomatoes 20kr
1kg of onions 10kr
1kg of pasta 10kr
1kg of chicken breast 60kr

100kr/10€ and a big mac with everything is like 8€.

people are just lazy

>>42653259
Great, how about you cite a few actual studies and explain them to show you grasp the information contained.
I'd love to have some real discussion on the subject.
>Too bad dietary cholesterol increases LDL cholesterol in humans
Source? Eggs have shown in increase the LDL receptors in the liver which causes a decrease in the LDL cholesterol deposited into our blood stream.

>Why are you making food so delicious and cheap stop it

>>42653409
>kr
What kind of moon currency is this?

>>42653366
that middle picture would be like $50 in canada if not $75

>>42653025

This is from the dietary report of the Guidelines Advisory Committee. They received a lawsuit because their members had financial connections to the egg industry.

http://www.businessinsider.com/usda-sued-over-new-dietary-guidelines-2016-1

The final dietary guidelines did not include the decision to remove warnings about cholesterol. In fact they got more strict by telling people to not just limit cholesterol to under 300mg/day, but to "eat as little as possible"

https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-answers-your-questions

>>42653396

Seasonal, transportation, storage and subsidization issues. There's billions of dollars in subsidiaries going to corn and soy which directly supports the production of meat and dairy product meanwhile fruit and vegetable farmes get maybe around 1% of that.

Most of the problems with obesity among poor people are more lack of time to eat or do anything. Working 60+ hours a week leaves you with literally zero time to actually make anything. Especially if you have a bunch of niglets to feed already

>>42653262
I find junk food to be way more expensive than healthier food in terms of what you get, at least in California. 10lb sack of potatoes is 3-5 dollars, sack of chicken breast at costco is 25 dollars for 50 servings (20 dollars at supermarket for like 18 servings). Can of oats is only like 6 dollars that last like a solid month. Eggs are very cheap, so most of the expense in my diet goes towards frozen vegetables which are usually 5-8 dollars per pack

Most junk food items have smaller amount of servings for same price or higher often

fatties would still rather buy 7 burgers than a single salad

>>42652771
I don't know about other cities but here being poor isn't an excuse
>Food bank provides quality food
>Farmers markets have discounts for people living on government assistance
>Whole foods store has discount program for poor people and cheap staples
>Local farmers give away produce pretty frequently
>Utility companies give yuge discounts for people on assistance or with low income
>Good nutrition is really not that fucking expensive in general

I've given up trying to figure out what the deal is, I think these people just need mental assistance along with their gubmint bucks.

>>42653366
>less than 6 dollars for a whole chicken
Jesus, food prices are really low in the US.

>>42652823
>eggs
>generally speaking is what keeps embryos alive and nourished if not developing inside womb
>alive
>unhealthy

>>42653396
>1) Name one place where a salad costs a dollar, oh wait you can't.
>2)The image is obviously just a stock burger image you autistic fuck, they are not talking about that one specific kind of burger.

The dollar salad is right there in the pic though , its between the buns. The whole point of lettuce in a sandwich is to have your side salad and entree in one portable format .

>>42653469
how!?

>>42653463
Swedish/Norwegian

>>42652877
I used to work at a Baskin Robins. A large shake costed $7.27 and we made sure to charge for everything else added to it: extra ice cream, whipped cream, extra Oreo pieces. You don't spend just a few bucks at BR.

>>42653180
What does a fat native woman look like?

>>42652823
Fuck off, veggie cuck.

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When I haven't cooked food I buy a whole roasted chicken for like 7 Euros.
I buy prepackaged salads which cost me about 3 Euros and they've got like 3 servings in the bag so for like 10 Euros I can eat lunch 3 days
If you take the skin off, roasted chicken is pretty healthy.

Eating out is a waste of money.

>>42653512
>What does a fat native woman look like?

The same as every other native woman

>>42652771
I can literally get a 100g serving of porridge oats for 7p from my local Morrisons. Also:

>implying the type of food you eat is what makes you fat, not the amount.

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>>42652823

Went shopping yesterday
>pound of dry beans for $1.50
>12oz chopped frozen greens for $1 each
>organic carrots and sweet potatoes $1 a pound
>24oz oats for $2
>dried currants and raisins $2.99 a pound

The most expensive thing I got were walnuts, something like 9 bucks a pound and I got half a pound. If you buy the raw ingredients and cook the food yourself and don't buy "health food" brands with huge price mark-ups, eating healthy is cheap, if not the cheapest option.

>>42653473
>as little
For keeping saturated fat in check.. Maximizing egg consumption to 100% SF is >12 large eggs.

>>42653494

Are you a chicken embryo?

>>42653527
Have you given one the fucc?

>>42653570
No but we are also not Avocados yet consuming their flesh seems to be universally considered healthy

how bad is mc donalds really? is it just not enough that could be even'd out with healthy food mixed over a day or is it plain bad/unhealthy.
im bulking and the option is always there for a quick cheesburger or even bigmac. for the rest of the day i would eat clean and healthy.

>>42653592

Because there's science showing that avocados are good for us. Nobody argues avocados are good because "avocado flesh nourishes the seed." It doesn't work as an argument for eggs being good.

>>42652771
Honestly you gotta have your head in your ass to not be able to put together a meal that is just a cheap as fast food (which isn't even cheap where I am, a fucking meal at mcdonalds is gonna run you 12$) and miles healthier. Things that are dirt cheap and "healthy" in a balanced diet.

>potatoes
>rice
>meat (at least where I am at you can get decent cuts on special for a little over 1$/lb)
>eggs
>corn
>lentils
>most wheat products

Seriously, at least where I'm from it's more expensive to buy processed shite, is it really any different anywhere else? The only reason to ever buy processed junk is to save cooking time, otherwise its cheap to buy and even cheaper to grow your own food if you've got some space to work with.

>>42653564

Dietary cholesterol itself is recommended to limit, which is one of the reasons why even lean meat is restricted to 6oz or less a day. Even when it comes to saturated fat, the goal set by the american heart association is 5% or less of calories. Based on a 2000 calorie diet, that would be about 11g of saturated fat. A large egg contains about 2g of saturated fat. Eating 6 eggs would put you over your saturated fat limit even if for the rest of the day you ate like a strict low-fat vegan.

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>>42653655

https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/resources/2015-2020_Dietary_Guidelines.pdf

>>42653655
>AHA
>takes money from monsanto (soy/grains/vegetableoil crops) and every other big grain producer
>Actually being an authority on anything but funneling money and forming public opinion.

How come in around 50% of heart attack victims their ldl levels are normal to low, and total cholesterol is also normal to low. Can you actually show me somewhere than proves an actual solid correlation to major heart events or all cause mortality and high total cholesterol ?

>>42653703

"As recommended by the IOM,
[24] individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible while consuming a healthy eating pattern."

The IOM says explicitly that dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol and has no known safe intake level.

https://www.nap.edu/read/10490/chapter/11

>>42653742
AHA takes money from lots of different companies, including animal agriculture industry and vegetable oil companies. So that point is kind of retarded, especially considering that the AHA recommendations are largely identical to the recommendations made by similar organizations all around the planet, from Japan to Iceland and Brazil

>>42653613
It`s a red herring , there`s a reason that faggot spurlock won`t release his food diary .

>>42653742

>How come in around 50% of heart attack victims their ldl levels are normal to low, and total cholesterol is also normal to low.

You talking about this?

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/majority-of-hospitalized-heart-75668

Probably because what's accepted as "normal LDL" is 2-3x higher than what would be natural

>We found that less than 2 percent of heart attack patients had both ideal LDL and HDL cholesterol levels

>>42652771
Takeout will always be expensive

I pay 150 kr (19,30 dollars) for all my veggies for a week

>>42652968
>4chan's hate on weed
Nobody here unironically hates weed
>advocating alcohol
Nobody anywhere ever unironically advocates alcohol.

>>42653063
>growing up I might not even get a whole chicken drumstrick/leg
Frozen chicken legs are dirt cheap in the UK, either your parents are retarded or you're lying.

I really like the salads at Mcdonalds, but I really can't justify the price. Good thing a fillet o' fish or a mcchicken has around the same calories and is a third of the price.
But that being said, salads are way overpriced when they shouldn't be, they should cost less to make than the burgers. I'm seriously considering stopping buying the items from Mcdonalds that they make profit off (drinks, fries, etc) just out of spite.
Do any of their items cause losses or barely break even?

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>>42654086
>Do any of their items cause losses or barely break even?
Are you serious right now?

>>42652771
A lot of products from low-grade shops put too much sugar in their stuff.
Most noticeably bread related products. Most Americans and Mexicans don't notice, so they get fat and overall have a higher risk of health issues.

>>42654179
It's cheaper to bake your own bread with yeast packets, flour, olive oil and water

>>42653304

>generalizing food across "the states" when every city, state, and region has totally different food, cuisine and restaurants

Fuck off euronigger

>>42654086
>eating salads at McDonalds
https://youtu.be/OQ2nvkiQczo?t=58s

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>>42653476
>Most of the problems with obesity among poor people are more lack of time to eat or do anything
No, the major problem is poor money management. Watch some of the fatfucks leaving Walmart get into their "leased" brand new vehicles, while texting on their iphone 9s.

Rather than spending money on their health, they'd rather waste money on [things] that make them appear less poor.

Having 4+ children doesn't help them, if they ever want to get out of poverty.

>>42652771
No, the prices are due to the economy that exists due to high demands, which exists due to people overeating. Obesity is the result of over eating, and the obesity epidemic is the cause of low prices of fast "food". I ate a 10 Euro burger today in Europe from a basic local fast food chain. This is because I don't eat that shit often, nor does anyone where I live. It's restaurant prices because that's what it is: a restaurant meal.

If anything Ameritards don't understand that quality > quantity

>>42652771
a burger isnt gonna make you fat.

>>42652771
Blame the hick culture.

>>42652771
Go but the raw materials for those salads. I bet total number of sladas make equals more that same live of toxic fast food chemical burger.

>>42653262
That picture is simply not true

Fuck it's not hard to go onto McDonald's American website then type in salad and burgers. These fat fucks lie with no shame

>>42653469
lol no. It would be a bit more for sure, but everything except the chicken and milk are close to our prices (excluding the currency difference). Whole chicken is like ~$12, milk is $4.5 a gallon. At least in Ontario.

>>42653469
Shut up lying cunt. Our food cost is higher than US sure. But no way a whole chicken cost you more than $15-18. Maybe you go to stupid shit organic store it won't even cost that much

>>42654133
They take a minor loss on some of those dollar menu items. They make up for it tenfold in soda and fries.

>>42653765
Most of the studies within a Google search and NCBI browsing show little effect of dietary cholesterol.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7081119

>>42653469
It's a rotisserie.

>>42652771

Salads can be calorie dense too

Especially if you load that bitch with cheeses and dressing

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>>42652782
>>42652826
Your body needs shit besides raw calories. If you 10mg of zinc and the only food available to you is a 250 cal burger containing 1mg, you're going to eat 2500 cal or you're going to be deficient in zinc.

For you this isn't a big deal because you have the spare time and money to prioritize your personal fitness, but there are other people who are too poor to afford personal transportation to a grocery store to buy a multivitamin, and these people tend to live within walking distance of fast food or a gas station convenience store, and then this grievance becomes a reality: your body tells you to keep eating past your caloric needs because you haven't met your nutritional needs because you're eating trash because trash is all you can get.

And still other people just have more shit on their plate than you literally because they have more shit on their plate than you figuratively. Working 40+ hours in a factory and then coming home and taking care of a disabled kid is a lot harder than staying fit while you're in uni and working part time in food service; some people value the energy from a caloric surplus more than fitness because that's what their lives demand.

So yes, poverty is a part of it, but it has nothing to do with nutrient-rich food being intrinsically more expensive, that's an absolute myth. There's just a higher availability of trash, and nobody affected by it is educated enough to do anything about it, or even recognize the problem in the first place.

>>42654677
>you have the spare time and money to prioritize your personal fitness

Im-fucking-plying

>poverty is a part of i

The real problem is a total ignorance of what is actually healthy. The majority of people could not even tell you how many calories are in a lb, let alone understand the concept of CICO.

>>42654236

He's right though. americana """"cuisine""""" is really unhealthy.

>>42652938
Good answer, it's a vicious cycle. We need proper nutritional education in all schools, but at the end of the day the state can only do so much, it's really up to the parents to make sure their kid isn't a fuck up and if their parenting isn't up to scratch, chances are the kids going to end up obese, criminal, poor or something equally shitty.

>>42653014
Doesn't matter, CICO.

>>42654747
You're posting here. You can afford to post here. You have the spare time and money to post here. Ergo, you have spare time and money.

What am I implying?

Understand that what you're experiencing right now is an ideological shift towards individualism as a result of lifting. It statistically happens to most men who lift, the feeling of accomplishing something individually and the feeling of being physically strong makes you feel empowered and disciplined, and you hold others to the same standard of agency and discipline because "if I can do it, so can they." What you're failing to take into account is the differences in backgrounds and resources that facilitated your lifestyle in the first place, i.e. being far enough up the hierarchy of needs to even consider your fitness a priority, to understand why it should be a priority, to understand how to actualize it, and to have the time and money to pursue it.

Yes, there are absolutely people who are unfit because they're in a position to be fit but they're lazy, either in taking action or in educating themselves. There are also tons of people who are unfit because their lives are harder than yours, and if you don't believe me now you'll figure it out in like three years because that's how long it took me.

>>42652771
>is poverty the reason for obesity?
it may be in america, in many european countries it works otherwise - if you are poorfag you can't afford burgers and pizzas, you just have to eat non-processed food

>>42654955
actually one serving of rice, chicken breasts and some simple vegetable salad will cost you about the 60% of price of frozen pizza for one

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>>42652771
>H-Healthy food is expensive
Let's check that hypothesis. I'm going to purposely use the most expensive supermarket in my country as a baseline.

https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi124189/ah-zilvervlies-rijst-voordeel
1 kg of rice: 1.95

https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi395947/ah-sperziebonen
600g of haricots verts: 2.59

https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi197231/ah-scharrel-kipdijfilet
380g of free range chicken filet: 3.61

Let's ignore the negligible costs of olive oil, salt and spices and we come down to a grand total of: €8.15

A McDonalds meal 'round these here parts is around €5.50. That feeds one person. With the above you spend roughly 3 yuropoorbucks extra and you can feed 3-4 people.

Money is not an excuse to eat unhealthy. Hell, even homemade salads (hell, even ready made meal salads like: https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi132561/ah-maaltijdsalade-kip-caesar) are less expensive than a meal at McDonalds. Buying a salad at some hipster joint is more expensive of course, but why the fuck are you eating outdoors if you're poor when homemade meals are so much easier?

Poor people are stupid. Poor people don't have foresight and are impulsive. Poor people buy tasty, cheap, really unhealthy shit all the time. So they get fat.

Nothing to do with healthy food being expensive, there's plenty of healthy cheap food.

>>42653063
You can be healthy on processed foods. I was a broke college student and rice, beans/lentils, canned vegetables, etc were healthy enough

>>42654086
you know what's an even bigger loss to them than anything on their menu?

not eating there.

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The reasons for the obesity crisis are stupidity, lack of nutritional knowledge/education, laziness to gain said knowledge, and not wanting to make a real effort to live a healthier life. These reasons are exacerbated by food addiction.

Junk food is designed to taste amazing. No (or few) naturally occurring foods taste as delicious as fats and sugars chemically arranged to deliver a manufactured flavor. Misinformation is deliberately perpetuated by lifestyle magazines and charlatans preying on people trying to lose weight fast. Food addiction coupled with bad information leads to people believing they "can't" lose weight because of reasons like their genetics" and "slow metabolism". And, as with any good addict, they will make any excuse to continue eating McDonald's five times a week.

So, while in reality a healthy diet is perfectly affordable so long as you buy the right foods, a person's tendency to fall in to bad habits and retain their addiction to junk food will always ensure that such false rationalizations will exist.

>>42655063
>counting that as processed
damn /fit/

>>42653490
that isn't how much chicken costs in the US

>>42652968
When weed becomes legal I won't care. I'm tired of my dumb fuck friends getting in my car with weed on them in Pennsylvania. "it's decriminalized in Philly bro!" we live 3 hours from Philly.

>>42654915
>You're posting here. You can afford to post here
Lots of poor people can afford to post on 4chan dude, that literally means nothing. You could post on 4chan on any cheap as fuck cellphone, which even poor people have.

>>42652771
The only people who think "real food" is expensive are people who don't know how to cook or shop

I just bought a 4lb pork roast for $1.19/lb. That's going to be bbq pulled pork for a cookout next weekend. 10 frozen chickens @$.79/lb for 4.5lbs a piece. 12lbs of hamburger for@ 2.66/lb. 25lb bag of flour for $6.19 for dat dere home made bread and a shitload of frozen veggies on sale for $.69 per 1lb bag.

>>42655176
Cops generally aren't going to care.

>>42655015
AH isn't most expensive. That title goes to Spar.

>>42652791
You don't NEED to eat a salad, but damn if it isn't a great "filler" food for fatties like me.

Man tho. A whole head of romaine hearts, a tomato, and an ounce or two of a lite dressing for just a little over 100 calories is pretty fuckin nice.

It's helped me in those moments of munchies.

>>42655146
Yes, it is how much chicken costs in the US. $6 is even too much.

You can get the fryer rotisserie whole chickens on sale for $.79/lb on sale, they average $.99-$1.29 normally and weight 4.5-6lbs a piece.

>>42652771
poverty+lack of education => more money for the rich and educated

>>42653163
>>42653236
>>42653494
>>42653513
Not that anon but check out nutrtional value on eggs. One egg has 70% of daily recommended cholesterol. You can eat eggs occasionally, but they can't be a staple in your diet

>>42653014
Because you arent buying the ingredients yourself, you fat fuck how about you stop buying every food already made and try making it from scratch and see how much money it costs?

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>>42653476
If ur working 60 hr weeks and can't afford salad u have a cocaine habit or bigger budget issues

>>42655063
None of those are processed.

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If you're a normal height, normal weight, normal job male you can eat ten 1 dollar burgers a day without even gaining weight. If ten burgers aren't enough for you and you have to add to the ten burgers to not only gain weight but to become an obese sack of lard then the problem sure as fuck isn't the price of salad.

>>42652938
There was a guy where I worked like this. Small machine shop, guy worked as a CNC operator(Trained monkey). He'd say the dumbest fucking shit all the time, was always piss broke and liked to talk about how "underappreciated" he was when he would always fuck shit up and worked slow as fuck. He would eat out literally every day for lunch. In the 7 months I was there until he was fired I never once saw him bring his own lunch. I'm pretty sure he ate out 90% of the time for dinner too because he'd talk about some supermarket deli that would sell you a steak and cook it for you for "like $6, you couldn't do it yourself for that much!" He was also a giant weedhead, he'd toke up with one of those THC oil ecig things every break. All of this and he wondered why he never had any money.

>>42655434
Shut. The fuck. Up. Dietary cholesterol has fuck all to do with arterial cholesterol.

>>42655453
>what is reading comprehension
He didn't say they couldn't afford it, he said you're too tired after a 12 hour shift at a job to spend another 30-60 minutes a night cooking. If you say you've never had at least one week like that then you're obviously some underage B&ed that's never had a real job.

>>42653409
>kr
>not NOK

I don't think you know how to write your currency.

I live in Norway, and I just made shepherd's pie and chili con carne last week because minced lamb was on sale. It was very cheap, and I have some still in my fridge

I'd say the best improvement of life thing I've ever done is learning to cook. Probably second to lifting, but then again I wouldn't be able to lift if I didn't cook properly.

>>42655534
>If you say you've never had at least one week like that then you're obviously some underage B&ed that's never had a real job.
Well the other option is that he lives in the first world.

>>42655544
>europoor thinks he's immune from doing a 50+hour week once in a while
So a child that's never worked a real job, yes.

>>42655146
>that isn't how much chicken costs in the US
You can buy a whole cooked chicken from Walmart for $5.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TRADITIONAL-ROTIS/158913549

>>42653014
you can always buy raw products from agricultural market, carrots, cabbages, potato,etc, and you will have enough supplies to last you a month in salads..you westerners are retarded when it comes to using money.

>>42655583
>60 suddenly becomes 50

But yes first world countries actually have basic rights for workers. Actually even most shitholes do, it's only the specific kinds of shitholes where idiots actually think that slaving away 12 hours a day for Schlomo while still being poor is something normal that happens outside of the said shithole.

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>>42652771
>go to the store
>burger ingredients: ~$15 leafbux for 8 burgers
>salad ingredients: ~$7 leafbux for salad that lasts 4 to 5 meals
>$1.87 per burger
>$1.40 per salad
But I guess people who eat at fast food drive-thrus aren't the type to make their own shit, let alone a salad.

>>42655621
>while still being poor
And again, no one said anything about being poor, the original anon's comment was all about the TIME investment. It doesn't matter if you're making $8/h or $80/h, a 12 hour day is still a 12 hour day and it's exhausting if you have to do it more than one or two days in a row.

>50+ can't equal 60

>lettuce 200kcal/$
>ice cream 700kcal/$

Ice cream is cheaper and tastier than salad.

>>42655593
retarded fatasses =/= westerners
we used to humiliate them until leftists and women whined it was unethical and mean

>>42653543
Is this natty?

>>42652968
i don't hate weed. I hate people who turn it into their entire personality, people who pretend that cigarettes are bad but marijuana smoke is magically okay and good for you, and either pretend that or don't understand that mold in weed is extremely dangerous. Potheads ruined their own hobby for themselves and if I was given the opportunity I'd vote against it. People don't even get arrested for it here, they get arrested because they're paranoid and get lippy with cops who otherwise wouldn't give a shit.

>>42652771
How the fuck is that salad $7? Is it a fast food salad rather than making your own? With $7 you could make 10 salads like that.
Maybe being a lazy Fuck that doesn't make your own food is the reason for the obesity crisis

>>42652771
I buy 1 fucking pound of kale/spinich/carrots mixed up in a container prewashed for $3.80. It lasts me a fucking week. Like, wut?

>>42655956
To me the thought of spending money on greens is absolutely preposterous.

I have a 4'x20' garden bed under a row of trees that my neighbor planted between our properties which has nothing but lettuces, mustards, collards, spinaches, and kales all growing wild and uncontrolled. I haven't planted a single thing in that bed except for the first year 12 years ago and since then it's self-seeding. we could eat salad 6 times a day and not even make a dent in that thing.

In fact once a green has gone to seed I tear it up root and all, and throw it in the compost pile because it gets too bitter at that point. I throw more lettuce into the compost pile in a month than we eat. all year long

>>42656225
Sounds nice if you have a garden. I live in an apartment in the city and have to buy all my food.

My parents live on a farm though. I should really grow some vegetables there. Not so much for saving money as for the sheer pleasure of growing my own food. Also I have a feeling it'd taste better.

>>42656298
Do you have a patio? my friend has an apartment and we've built a pretty intensive garden on his patio. he gets a lot of green off of it.

>Not so much for saving money as for the sheer pleasure of growing my own food. Also I have a feeling it'd taste better
Do it. it's amazing to grow your own food and know exactly where it came from. I started when we found out that a bag of spinach we had bought and eaten had been recalled for some ecoli or some shit

I have 1.5 acres under intensive cultivation, 30 chickens for them egg gains, 40 breeding rabbit does, goats, pigs, and sheep on a rotating paddock basis. We added the sheep this year but I'm gonna slaughter them all and not do them again. I'm putting too much grazing pressure on the land and the paddocks aren't recovering as fast as they should.

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>>42652771
People too financially inept and lazy to prep a salad deserve death.

>>42652771
A burger costs $5 here. Plus its not even the burger that's really unhealthy.

>>42655925
>i don't hate weed. I hate people who turn it into their entire personality
Fucking THIS.
Somehow the social paraiah status being a drunk will get you doesn't transfer laterally to stoners.
I don't drink often and would smoke once in a while if it were legal where I live, but DUDE WEED LMAO faggots are fucking intolerable.
Stop pretending you care about it's magical healing properties/hemp as a resource/better for you than X, and admit you just want to get high.

>>42652826
Enjoy your heart disease/diabetes/cancer from all that ultra-low quality processed meat and saturated fat.

>>42652771
Poor people are either lazy or dumb, and often both. "Smart" poor people don't get fat.

>>42652771
Nah, it's just because they're fat lazy shits. $7 would get me 2 or more salads a day for a week because I'd make it myself and because I shop at the discount grocery store chain.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but some people deserve to be poor and fat. I volunteered at a soup kitchen, and I lost sympathy for a lot of the people who talk like this. It's hard to feel bad for them when they have the newest iPhone and some expensive hype beast sneakers. I'm not saying that all poor people are like this (and I genuinely feel bad for those who are SOL and trying to improve their situation), but there is a good chunk of them that are.

DAT FEEL WHEN U SO POOR THAT YOU CANT NOT EAT FOOD

SHIEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTT

>>42656493

My brother has a poor person mind set. He doesn't have enough money to get a proper car. He and his spouse need to have two cars, and they've got two kids. So they drive around in old cars with expensive repairs. Instead of saving up and buying something decent, they instead always need to have the latest mobile phone, best computer etc. It just grind my gears to no end.

I'm pretty certain that he's smarter than me, but the way he and his spouse use their money is incomprehensible for me.

>>42652826
You'd be surprised how much weight you'd loose eating only mcdicks. The food is so malnourishing youd might as well fast eating there.

>>42652791
thats like 300 cals a person

>>42653366
>>42655015
>>42655646
>compare a meal from a restaurant to ingredients from a supermarket
>wow guys look at that eating healthy is so much cheaper
Are you retarded? Try a fair comparison--like, say, a few boxes of macaroni and cheese--and see if it's still cheaper.

>>42657364
I just realized that >>42655646 priced ingredients from a supermarket for burgers, so my comment doesn't apply to him. That said, using the figure of $1.87 per burger doesn't make sense when you can get fast food burgers for less than $1.50 and frozen, microwavable burgers for $1.00 from the supermarket. Also, there are plenty of not-necessarily-healthy foods that are cheaper than burgers.

>>42652877
>38 g protein

Doesn't sound too bad desu

>>42656346
That's the tops, anon! I want that in, say, 24 years--after I'm done with a career in the military with a fat pension, a loving wife, and endless acres to ourselves and our family.

>>42652771
I did a research report on this subject at college last year. Essentially. Its a combination of mass produced unnatural meat , which supports eating addictions. Another issues are dry zones, neighborhoods with poor citizens who lack transportation and revert to living off fast food/ convenient store food within walking distance in order to provide. Obviously this isn't the only cause in the rise in obesity, but its certainty a decent contributer.

>>42652771
Maybe you shouldn't buy salads in macdonalds.

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Gotta say, I was dirt poor growing up, everything was hand-me-downs and we couldn't afford fast food to feed our family. We had to borrow money pretty consistently to pay for the bills, and the only reason we had a house was because my mother basically lost her arm in a lawsuit and got enough to loan and purchase one.

Frankly, the reason our family still managed to get obese, despite not eating fast food, was because of sheer ignorance. We'd eat a lot of high calorie-dense foods and not understand it. An example are pic related.

These things cost around $3-4 a tin, we'd get it as a treat, one each to ourselves when dad would get paid a bit more (after everything else was payed), they have an extreme amount of calories per tin, over 2000 to be exact. And we'd eat on tin to ourselves each.

I'm almost certain that fast food, while still cheap for some, isn't a reason for obesity. It's laziness, and a severe lack of understanding how to manage a healthy diet.

>>42657700
Would you eat the whole tin in one sitting? Getting a few tins of those still sounds expensive even with the lil extra money. Why wasn't the lil extra money put aside for something more productive?

>not understanding why you're fat
This is astounding to me. Especially when you're poor. I get that it's hard once you're already fat, but how do you manage to let yourself get to that point without realizing somewhere along the way that something is wrong?

P.S. I love those treats too btw, sometimes they're filled with a chocolate type thing

>>42657827
Yeah, a whole tin in one sitting, i mean $12 is a bit for what little we had, but it was an indulgence for us. We didn't have a good handle on money, as my mum had a drug habit (weed).

It honestly was due to being depressed, my dad, me sister, and myself were severely depressed, i was diagnosed at 10 with depression, etc. But honestly we noticed it, we just didn't know how to stop it, we thought eating "pies because meat is healthy" was a good idea, etc. and just couldn't figure it out.

>>42652771

Essentially, yes. People care more about things than their own health. If people spent less money on phones, cars, etc and used that money for better food, obesity would definitely be less of an issue.

>>42657886
If it was an indulgence then it shouldn't have been able to happen frequently enough to make you fat.

I come from a poor family too except that we were good at being poor. Always had our bills paid because lights were rarely used, toilets rarely flushed, etc. So the bills were relatively low. We were incredibly frugal with spending money on other stuff too.

>>42657929
nah, just giving an example of how unknowing we were, we didn't indulge in that specifically often. We just ate shitty high cal food often enough, especially sauces.

Yeah, see that's the household we could have had, but my parents had their flaws, honestly rather sad.

>>42652877
ultimate bulk drink?

>>42654498

Here's a meta-analysis of controlled studies showing that it does, and even providing a formula by which to calculate the change, and explaining how study design influences the observed effect

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf

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>>42653703

>.gov

>>42658106

>meta analysis

>>42652823
this

>>42654915
>their lives are harder than yours
Nice assumption. Sloth and gluttony are not dependent upon economic status.

>>42654677
>Working 40+ hours in a factory
I work 60 hours a week. Granted, I don't take care of a disabled kid, but that's because I never had the spare time or missing brain cells to knock someone up.

Obviously there are broad social factors that result in obese populations, but your examples and suggestion that the averate fit person is a part time uni student rolling in free time and expendable income is fucking retarded, dude.

>>42654915
>Understand that what you're experiencing right now is an ideological shift towards individualism as a result of lifting
Do you really not realise you're taking a top-down population observation and applying it directly to a specific individual? Understand the material before you try and use it against people, you look like a moron.

>>42655015

>white rice, one vegetable, and meat is a healthy meal

Better than a fast food burger but this chicken-and-rice shit needs to stop.

>black beans, steamed carrots with collard greens, savory spiced oats or barley, and a piece of fruit

Cheap, nutritious, health-promoting.

>>42655507
This seems like the life of about 50% of CNC machinists. I worked in a shop for a month before I quit due to the utterly shit conditions, but a lot of guys there didn't know any other life and seemed to be content with the stagnant wages, extreme monotony, and going out to eat for most meals. The guy who trained me even told me "all the good, smart guys quit after about a month". Fuck the trained monkey racket; the advent of CNC was supposed to prevent exactly that but instead it exacerbated the problem of undertrained, unmotivated, and unskilled workers

>>42652771
No, retards who think they're supposed to get 100% of their daily calories from fast food are

>>42655434
Cholesterol is a buzzword.

>>42658491
And no gains
The rice is there to fill the stomach and is bulk prepped.

>>42657700
Laziness = dependency on fast food = obese. Well that and sugary drinks throughout the day.

>>42654677
wtf that third from the bottom middle graph, blacks are only in one part of america? as an Australian I thought they were all over the place

>>42658721
They are all over the place, mostly in big cities. The map shows the percentage of people of a certain race, and a lot of the American south is majority black

>>42658721
There are places in america where you can go your whole life and never see one.

>>42653366
Maybe they should just move to 3rd world countries. 2nd and 3rd picture is really cheap compared to fastfood

>>42653396
you are clearly a fatass

>>42658683

>The rice is there to fill the stomach and is bulk prepped.

Well that sure sells it as a healthy meal

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>buy chicken backs for 0.69/lb
>use 3 backs to make broth
>throw in 5 potatoes
>throw in half of onion, half of carrot
>throw in some macaroni
>make soup
>eat with bread for cheap carbs

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>>42652771
>be hamplanet
>"oh wow a burger costs 1$ and a salad costs 7$, what a scam!"
>proceed to eat seven burgers a day

>>42655434
>cholesterol
>bad

I eat 5 eggs every day when I'm on a cut and my cholesterol is perfect.

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>>42659070
>5 eggs
Are you even trying? You gotta eat large to get barge, CMON.

>>42658701
Correlation, not causation. While laziness may lead to eating fast food, it's not necessarily the driving factor. I would argue that if people understood how many calories they should eat, the intricacies of good health through good diets and how many healthier alternatives there are for relatively decent costs they may see less eating of fast food and obesity.

Overall though, there is definitely some people who probably follow that formula to a T. I would just add that ignorance is also an important factor as well.

>>42652771
McDonald's side salad is 1.29. Buy a 1 dollar McChicken, take out the chicken, slice, and serve on the salad.

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>>42659171

>>42659179
They eliminated the dollar menu last year. Though there's a rumor that they're bringing it back this winter.

>>42652968
lsd is a true patrician drug

fuck fat people and fuck poor people who think they can't be fit.
I can't drive i have no car and I work full time by taking the bus/walking miles every day and still lifting and stretching every day, walk to get my groceries in the hot sun etc fuck these whiny lardboats

>>42652823
>being this misinformed

>>42659215
>eliminated the dollar menu

Man, I bet Jack in the Box loved that decision. What the fuck are they thinking, no one wants to waste 8+ bucks just to eat McDonalds.

>>42655434
>70% of recommended daily cholesterol
>recommended protein is 60g
>recommended calories are 2000
>taking recommendations seriously
are you a sedentary woman?

>>42654133
You never heard of a loss leader?

>>42654677
getting fit and less fat makes your shitty life easier and better. if you can't spend 1-2 hours a week to get groceries or 30 minutes for a workout each day then just sudoku.

anyways, this is just an extreme case, most people won't have these issues

>peasants and commoners all over the world for centuries have been poorer and worked harder
>found ways to make cheap/little food go a long way and taste good
>modern day americans some how have no idea about any of the above despite living in the easiest age for accessing information

really makes me think

>people unironically still buy burgers from some shithole like mcdonald's

Just buy your own bread from the bakery/grocery store, should be about 80 cents for a good quality moist and dense loaf of 800 grams.

Then buy some cheap peanut butter and make sandwiches.

literally cheaper and healthier than a cheeseburger or a big mac

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>>42655434
Consuming food with cholesterol doesn't increase your cholesterol in body. Enjoy your low-T.

>>42659556
>your body makes your own cholesterol
>your body makes your own protein

Guess which one is true.

>>42654236
>>42653304
I visited both the East and West coast.

The only place I was able to get decent food was California, which was Mexican food

>>42659552
>literally cheaper and healthier than a cheeseburger or a big mac
A McDouble is 390 calories with 23 grams of protein.

A peanut butter sandwich would be around 310 and 14 grams of protein if you're only using the 2 tbsp serving size and want to eat a boring sandwich with only peanut butter on it.
It's not that big of a difference in health when cheap peanut butter uses shit tier oils and added sugar anyway.

>>42657532
>I did a research report on this subject at college last year

>>42657458
>Doen't make sense to pay $0.87 more for a healthier burger

>Caring that little about your health

>>42654867
Well said. And it's the bad that parents that have 10 kids with multiple baby dads/moms. Too stupid to use proper protection or find a job so they live off of government assistance. Since we can't force people to wear birth control implants, I think parenting classes as well as nutrition classes should be required in 9th grade. They should also fine people that have more than 3 kids

>>42655863
He's taking 4 dozen eggs a day.
That's not natty

>>42659228
Mushrooms are LSD for normies
Take that instead

>>42652968
Eh. Weed makes people stupid.
I have friends who smoke weed. It makes them less fun to be around, they just look at memes and watch V4C

>>42653014
They aren't expensive, if you make them yourself.
At fast food chains they are a "premium" item, and are willing to fetch a higher price.

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>>42652771

>>42660240
why a wide portion of americans refuse to believe this? even just switching from cola and similar to water would be an outstanding improvement

>>42659036

Well they have to anon. If they don't they'll starve! Isn't that obvious?

>>42660261
>even just switching from cola and similar to water would be an outstanding improvement
This. Anyone who makes the "muh expensive" argument better not be drinking any soda.

>>42660240

But anon, you forgot to account for the price of 7 limes.

>>42652823
>buying into vegan propaganda.
Being retarded surely isn't helping the americans.

>>42652771
sorta it's almost never the 1 thing.
But think for a second what sort of things do you see in the ideal diet vs what would be the reality. For me and I think a lot of others the ideal diet would be 60% fruit and vegetables 20% fish and poultry, 20% healthy fats olives, nuts ect (figures are not exact just a framework). So what would be the first concession we'd probably see? Replacement of some of the veg with a staple grain. Because getting 60% of your daily calories from whole non-starch vegetables and fruit is just too expensive for the average person. The next concession you'd probably see is less healthy fats because these tend to be high cost relative to lb. Another one we'd see is probably the reduction purchase of fish. So yeah it costs more to eat healthy. The healthier you want to go the higher the cost. That being said you can eat pretty healthy on $70 a week.

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>>42652771
>Be American
>Be such an unhealthy piece of shit that you blame obesity on food prices and not your shitty life choices

>>42652771
I dont get it.

a burger is like 400 cal. if you move around even little a day you can literally eat 3 burgers a day + a coke and still lose weight.

cant tell from the pic, but does that salad have avocado and feta in it? its probably just as calory dense as the burger.

>>42652791
This. Salad is just filler food for people who want to lose weight but can't stop stuffing their faces with food.

And if there would be the same market for salads as there is for burgers, then salads would be available as ridiculously cheap mass-produced slob for 1 buck as well. It isn't the fault of the jews, the lizard people, capitalism or the patriarchy. It's the fault of lazy fat cunts like the one who made that image, whining about their lack of self-control being actually the fault of someone else while buying burgers for one buck each.

tutorial on how to eat healthy on a few steps
>cook 1lb of potatoes
>grill 1lb of chicken breast and cut into thin slices
>boil chickpeas
>buy arugula, kale, spinach, tomatoes, onion
>cut all leaves and tomatoes into smaller pieces, cut onions into rings
>on a bowl, add the salad, the baked potatoes and chickpeas and add parmesan cheese
>add chicken on top and throw it on oven for 5 minutes on high temperature
you have now at least 5 meals that you can eat during the day for about $8

>>42660545
the point is that you can grow your own vegetables almost for free, if you have even a little space outside
also since i do a sedentary job i often eat a simple salad as a meal since i dont really need any extra calories but skipping a meal is hard, also vegetables are good for you

>>42660670
fuck me rong thread cunts

>>42660670
Are you posting similar aesthetics like this? If so, what thread?

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>>42660816
EVROPA.

>>42659574
Dietary cholesterol is correlative with T.

>>42658106
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/55/2/400.abstract

>>42660626
>skipping a meal is hard
Not really, I do 24 hour fasts three times per week during my cuts and I feel great. Your need for chewing on stuff three times per day is just psychological.

>also vegetables are good for you
A pretty broad statement. Some vegetables are good for you, in the right amounts. And iceberg salad has the nutritional value of wet paper.

>>42652791
You forgot to consider the costs of the limes

>>42652771
but fast food salads are bad for you

>>42659574
neither, what's your point?

>>42653469
Not a chance in hell, son. Go to Food Basics or No Frills, you boujee fuck.

>>42657364

That is a fair comparison, and your comment highlights the mental dysfunction underlining the problem.

>>42653477
I mean, I'm pretty fit & I'd much rather eat 7 burgers for $7 than pay $7 for a fast food salad, lol.

>>42652968
Why not avoid either of those? It's

>>42652823
I'm a vegetarian and while watching thay movie I was like wtf this is all bs

>>42652771

>too lazy to make a better salad at home for the fraction of the price

Laziness and excuses are why people are fat

>>42653469

You're fucking retarded. Try doing your own fucking shopping for once you NEET faggot. If what you said was true Canadians would spend at least $100 a day to feed a family of four.

Salads require fresh produce, dollar burgers are just frozen meat, cheese, and pickles. That's why the burgers with veggies also cost 7 bucks.

>>42652771

No. Paying someone to prepare food for you will always be more expensive than preparing the same food yourself.

>>42652843
This is bait right?

>>42652771
>fasting
>0$
Checkm8 faggots

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>>42661373

>Supported by grants from the South African egg board

The groups went from eating 373, 389, and 392mg/day to 403, 556, and 800mg/day. Their baseline intake was already high and their LDL levels started between 100mg/dl and 112mg/dl. Although they did see increases in LDL after egg feeding, they were able to say there was no effect because it didn't reach statistic significance due to the small number of people they used.

>>42658967
>buy chicken backs for 0.69/lb
>use 3 backs to make broth
>throw in 5 CARBS
>throw in half of CARB, half of CARB
>throw in some CARB
>make soup


>eat with bread for cheap carbs

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>>42658106
>>42663915
Lull.

>>42663915
>didn't reach statistic significance due to the small number of people they used
THAT'S NOT HOW STATISTICS WORK YOU RETARDED FUCK

>>42663987

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination

>>42663977

If you're going to cherry-pick studies (in a meta-analysis of all things) atleast represent it fairly

https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/abstract/19600402574

>Serum cholesterol increased sharply with estimated daily intakes of cholesterol between 13 and 634 mg. but there were no further significant increases with intakes of 1, 300 to 4, 500 mg. D.E.E.

After some level of intake, your body can't absorb more. It doesn't continually go up with no cap.

>>42664062
>cherry-picking
The correlations on *that graph* are awful.

>but there were no further significant increases with intakes of 1, 300 to 4, 500 mg
Congratulations.

>>42664102

>Congratulations.

Yes, congrats. Dietary cholesterol does increase LDL cholesterol up to a point. Even after that point, dietary cholesterol can still further increase your heart disease risk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618/

>>42655095
Rational post

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>>42664175
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10704618/
>increases plasma and LDL oxidizability

>What are antioxidants?

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>>42664402

>what are antioxidants?

Something you should be eating instead of eggs, not in addition to eggs in order to lessen some of the damage they're doing. You might as well be saying "so what if smoking causes oxidation and DNA damage that can lead to lung cancer, just eat vegetables."

>>42654236
Calling him a euronigger is dumb as fuck though. You are comparing a country ("the states") to a sub- continent. (Europe/eurasia). Which is comprised of a shitload of countries, one with even a more diverse cuisine then the next.

Its like calling someone from mexico an amerinigger. Or someone from peru a true american.

>>42664455
Those studies are inconclusive because of their AO control.

>>42653469
What the fuck province are you living in?

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>>42664492

Oh, shut up

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>>42652771
No, it's the exact opposite. Healthy food tends to be cheap too, rice and noodles are cheap. Less animal products.

Most healthiest foods on the planet most people still live day to day, japs and chinese people. No obesity or diabetus

>>42664529

rice and noodles are carb heavy and a cup of ramen has more calories than some fast food items.

chinamen and japs eat noodles in the same way other cultures eat bread, and they're basically the same (if they aren't bleached). Japs eat a lot more fish and less meat, Chinamen tend to eat less meat as well, and more plants, but in urban areas chinamen are getting fatter than Americans.

India actually has the healthiest people, due to the low meat content of their diet. they get cancer far less than any group on earth.

>>42664781

>India actually has the healthiest people

Any stats on that? Their obesity and diabetes rates are pretty terrible now, and their diets have changed a lot in the last few decades

>>42664781
Not sure what you're trying to say here, but ramen is 32% calories from FAT - which is why it is high calorie.

Anytime you replace carb or protein with fat you end up with higher calorie density

>>42661802
Underrated

>>42656346
this, patio garden is the way to go.

>>42658811
As a Southern White I can tell you I believed white people were minorities until I reached college. I was always the one white kid in my class

>>42655477
This lol

>>42652877
>263g of sugar
Holy fuck

>>42660204
No, your friends are just stupid.

>>42653014
>he didnt take intro to economics in college
>being this much of a brainlet

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>>42652771
>Is poverty the reason for the obesity crisis?
I think a lack of poverty is the reason for the obesity crisis

>>42658491
>white rice
It's Zilvervliesrijst ie. brown rice

>one vegetable
Whatever, replace the haricots verts with this
https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi41069/ah-chinese-wokgroente-tauge-rode-paprika

More vegetables and it's actually cheaper (though it's only 400g rather than 600g).

Don't expect a five star meal on a tight budget, but it's both healthier and cheaper than McDonalds. All you really need are some kitchen tools and a rice cooker that will effectively earn themselves back with what you're saving.

>>42653469
fuck off iglooman

>>42652823
Being this stupid. Eggs are most nutritious food you fool, begone

>>42655621
You've never heard of the working poor? These are people who have to work multiple low end jobs just to make ends meet. Be it because they had drug addiction, poor education, or a disability that prevents them from getting a higher paying single. The end result is that their time is limited and grabbing shit food seems like a good option.

Obesity in this country just comes down to poor knowledge and/or time management. As there tons of cube workers with 40 hour work weeks who are lard asses as well.

>>42655587
Which ironically for this thread, would be nearly as unhealthy as fried chicken thanks to being cooked in its own fat.

However you won't actually know that unless you bother to go compare the two online. Most of the stores I've seen sell those birds only list ingredients, not the calorie break down.

>>42652771
No. Chicken is 2 dollars to the pound along with certain fish and veggies are cheap. No excuse.

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>>42665838
Please tell me you used AA to get to college.

>>42655925
>people who pretend that cigarettes are bad but marijuana smoke is magically okay and good for you

This is 100% true though.

>pretend that or don't understand that mold in weed is extremely dangerous

So don't get water on your weed and don't smoke moldy weed then? How is this even a thing that has come up? No one in their right mind is going to make the argument that mold is good for you outside of the procuration of penicillin. Your friends are the problem not the drugs they use.