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Will men ever be men again? The sperm count has dropped, obesity

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Will men ever be men again? The sperm count has dropped, obesity is way too high, artificial foods is fucking up the testosterone levels of guys. It seems like it's just going down hill from here. What does fit/ think when they go out in public and you see beta males, and fatties everywhere.
Also femanons what do you think of guys nowadays, what should they change?
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fuck off retard
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>>42649044
Real edgy nigger? Wanna talk about your anger?
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>>42649044
Just let it out man. Tell me your problems fuck face
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>>42648926
Why they holding sticks? They a bunch of faggots of somethin?
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>>42649133
Um no retard they're obviously working out
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>>42648926
It's in the water that you drink; it's in the food that you eat - hell, it may as well even be in the air that you breathe.
The powers that we don't want a population of high-T men that are willing to fight for what they believe in.
Recall that one study that found that men with high muscle mass tend to have strong socioeconomic views, whether they be from the lower or higher classes in our society.
It's all a perfect scheme, anon. And to be quite honest, there is no hope for change it.
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>>42649164
Cool whatever. Are you gonna stick to the topic?
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>>42649174
>there is no hope for change it.
low T detected.
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>>42649174
I've noticed that most leftists tend to be low T. Also

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2325414/Men-physically-strong-likely-right-wing-political-views.html
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>>42649164
Daily reminder that both sides of the political divide are called "extremes" for a reason, and conservatism and liberalism both have their positives and their negatives

Pursuing a world of "live and let live" so everyone gets a fighting chance to succeed, but no one is coddled, is the right path
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>>42648926
the weak should fear the strong
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Being men has nothing to do with fighting with sticks in the wood.

It's all about taking whatever you want in this world.
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>>42649239
Where is that pic from?
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What baffles me most is that men will incessantly argue about this instead of going out and doing shit that might be considered manly.

Anyway, I'm off to wrestle, improve my Russian and climb two 5000m peaks because it's fun and fuck you that's why.
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>>42649244
Too many guys are shy and weak now. Most girls today don't even get picked up, or hit on
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>>42649260
>I wanna ignore what's going on in society woooooo
It is a fact that sperm count has dropped you faggot.
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>>42649246
it's commonly known as "soviet gym teachers parade 1956"
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>>42649290
Nice. Got any more like that?
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What does sperm count dropping have to do with anything
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>>42649279
Quit eating processed shit, live healthy, be active and don't cook your testicles. Fixed.
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>>42649313
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>>42649239
How do i achieve Soviet gym teacher -mode?
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>>42649323
>>42649323
I already do that. But society as a whole doesnt.
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>>42649313
are you retarded how did you even get to fit
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>>42649133
Kek
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>>42649279
I don't want to think about the smell in that room.
Must smell like wet dog and fresh garbage. With subtle hints of acetone
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>>42649422
I think this was a reddit meetup. I forgot
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>>42648926

hnnnnnng all those qt white chads in one place. literal heaven
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>>42649438
Of course its a reddit meetup
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>>42649343
Genuinely good on you anon. But you can't change society by yourself unless you go out and truly achieve something, simply arguing on the internet won't help.
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>>42648926
i dont know when are you planning to stop acting like a faggot
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>>42649335
>>42649363

What does sperm count have to do with "will men ever be men again"?
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>>42649515
I see where you're coming from but the internet is a great place to get a movement going. And since I live in the U.S. where fat acceptance is big. I doubt some fut movement will grow.
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>>42649517
>low T butthurt fag spotted
Your comment made no sense
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>>42649279
haha holy fuck that picture
>america
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>>42649581
Off all the places to get a movement going online, an anonymous Armenian tick hunting board is arguably one of the worst. Just look at the discussion itt.
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>>42649164
JIDF pls go
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>>42648926
never

we are nearing great filter
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>>42648926
lads im sick of being tired and having no energy all the time, how do i maximize my natty test?
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>>42648926
this is one of the gayest images I have ever seen on the internet
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>>42649197

STOP QUOTING A FUCKING SHITTY NEWSPAPER WITH A CORRELATION THAT DOESNT PROVE ANY CAUSATION YOU RETARDED BRAIN LESS FUCK
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I shot a gun today that was pretty manly
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>>42649341
socialism + anabolic steroids
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>>42650033

That doesn't make it inaccurate you brainlet.
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I love how most american /pol/ tards call everyone a cuck but when they show up to rallies most of them are doughy fat basment dwellers.
If you're fat stay in your cuck-basment and don't embarrass the movement until you look like a respectable human being.
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>>42649164
reminder that births are more important than the prevention of deaths.
europe lost more people because of modern ideology than past wars
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>>42650082

Anyone with absolutely any sense at all would avoid a rally. Those people too oblivious to do so are not the average /pol/tard
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>>42649164
I wonder who could be behind this post
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>>42648926
>>>/pol/139216719
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>>42649999
>a bunch of masculine guys is considered gay
Insecure fat spotted
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>>42650033
The article is still correct you pussy
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>>42650082
Yeah I'm natsoc too. They're embarrassing, fat people In general are. But I also hate skinheads, they're degenerates who make natsoc look bad
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>>42650403
>ut I also hate skinheads, they're degenerates who make natsoc look bad
NS will always look bad
It will never succeed as an ideology since it's been so fucking demonized and there's too many (((goverment))) institutions in the way i.e mass media & education which is why it's important to move away from NS if we wan't a succesful ideology.
Either way, this is /fit/ and not /pol/, if you wanna talk more about this you could make a thread about it on /pol/
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>>42650464
>Kali Yuga
t. esoteric hitlerist
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>>42649197
That study was greatly misrepresented by the media. This is the actual conclusion:
>Among men of lower socioeconomic status (SES), strength predicted increased support for redistribution; among men of higher SES, strength predicted increased opposition to redistribution.
http://journals.sagepub.com/stoken/rbtfl/aQgdXL1bx/R8k/full
Stronger men have more defined political beliefs, but they aren't necessarily more right wing.

Surely can't see why a /pol/ack would post the same bs in every thread though.
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>>42650465
We need a new identity. Same ideas
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>>42650532
>Stalin fag detected
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>>42649188
I meant for society. I would much rather focus on the health of my family and myself than yours, you socialist faggot.
>>42649197
The study didn't correlate to right wing views. It just found that men with increased muscle mass held their views more strongly than those without the muscle mass.
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>>42649279
Due to the rise in obesity. Just don't be fat.
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>>42650552
How am I a socialist you dumb fucking retard
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>>42650546
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>>42650170
> Fag points out that both JIDF and /pol/ fags are idiots
> Lol joos

Holy shit anon are you fucked in the head
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>>42650580
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>>42650475

Are you attempting to make an argument or something? Every well-versed Hindu on the planet thinks this is the Kali Yuga as well.
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>>42650620
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>>42650641
>filename
reddit isnt /pol/
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>>42650650
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>>42650641
So are you gonna talk about the topic or just post random pics cause you got offended by OPs pic?
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>>42650659
wtf I hate antifa now
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>>42650674
That guy isn't even bad looking all he needs to do is workout more
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>>42650674
You liked antifa at one point?
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>>42650699
yes, untill I saw your pic and learned about their true nature
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>>42650656
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>>42650532
I always assumed it along with this and just the cultures those men belong in.
Men who are middle to upper class and are strong go the gym, gym culture in America is right wing.
I would assume it's right wing because of the obsessiveness with masculinity, not trying to judge it as I find some good things in the culture but the idea that "we work hard so we are right" is short-sided as lifting isn't hard work compared to many things both leftists and righties do.

Lower to lower-middle class who are strong aren't really roped into gym culture, in my experience they are mostly laborers and workers who build muscle as a result of their work or workout to survive. They see firsthand how easily a person's life can be shit down on because of a corporation wanting a couple more dollars, middle class don't have to deal with it as much.

I grew up in Appalachia and it's interesting to see the different cultures in America, most white guys around here are mildly racist but are still left because they want people to have more rights than businesses, while minorities are generally really racist against other minorities and can kind of go both ways of the political spectrum.
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>>42650726
o0h shit i spot a man of culture in there
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>>42650726
LOL now I know the type of person who I'm talking to I'm done HAHAHAHAHA
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>>42648926
>Also femanons what do you think of guys nowadays, what should they change?
Men demand virtuous women for marriage, yet thirst after pump and dump sluts on Tinder. Any woman can test the incentives for herself (aside from the case of the terminally ugly or morbidly obese): see what kind of attention you get if you go out dressed pleasantly but modestly, versus if you skank it up a bit. As long as men reward women who dress skimpily with casual sex, women will dress and act like tramps. Stop having casual sex, start noticing the women around you who aren't total Stacies. If all men did this, the paradigm would slowly shift and we'd all be better off.

Hold yourself to a higher standard than desperately chasing tail. Make it clear to the women you date that if they look down on you for not jumping into the sack, they're not worth your time. Demand a virtuous woman, but be a virtuous man.
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>>42650732
Yeah it's interesting, among actual working class americans the political spectrum is really diverse. I'm pretty sure the reason Trump won is because he just tried appealing to these people, IE actually telling them he'll bring jobs back. The race issue is only really a big deal to a vocal minority in a few coastal states I think, everyone else is just concerned about paying rent and putting food on the table.

Also as far as the OP, the lack of test/sperm count in the west is pretty fucking strange. Some people say it's just obesity, but lack of test can cause obesity too. I was reading a breakdown of this issue the other day and people seem to think it's a possible combination of several factors:

>BPAs in everything we eat and drink antagonizing test receptors
>Sedentary lifestyles and lack of exercise
>Shitty synthetic foods, too much sugar

I'm honestly terrified of it. BPAs especially are insidious, they're in everything. You can reduce your intake of them (they flush out pretty quick) but it's practically impossible to reduce it to 0.
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I love how every even remotely political thread devolves into shit-flinging
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>>42650906
Out of all the working class people I know it was pretty much
>I don't trust Hillary because the news says she killed our vets
>Trump says there will be jobs
>Trump says it like it is, he's not a politician
>I'd rather have Bernie than Hillary but universal healthcare is bad so I'm voting Trump

The people against Trump were either in a union or were religious but not in a large-scale church, their argument was "god wouldn't want a liar like Trump to be president". Large scale 1000+ member churches were cult like for him though.

I would say it's a combination of obesity, poor diet/lack of nutrition, sedentary, and POSSIBLY depression.
I'm a chemist not a biologist so I don't know all factors that play into test, I do know however how fragile our biochemistry is and how stress fucks a lot of shit up.
Wouldn't be surprised if obesity and depression weren't the main factors, along with men who don't pursue women or even masturbate anymore due to this depression which probably skews it.

I honestly am not thoroughly convinced BPAs and phytoestrogens and the like would give noticeable differences on an otherwise healthy man who eats well and exercises.
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>>42650572
By the same leap you made to associate my hopelessness for other faggots' destruction to a supposed low-T.
So now you're moving the goalposts, again, focusing on the ad hominem, instead of the content of my argument. So you can go fucked yourself.
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>>>/pol/
>>>/bant/
>>>/lgbt/
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>>42650641
Those fucking skinny jeans are pissing me off
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>>42648926
The saying "when men were men " is super cringeworgthy and reeks of a lack of education. What it means to be a man varies greatly by different societies standards. There is no template for "this is a man", it's all made up in the heads of those who live in society. Most of what people think of as "manly" isn't biologically exclusively male at all.my bf has expressed similar ideas and I said the same to him. People in general are becoming fat lazy bastards, biological sex has nothing to do with it
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>>42649197
>>42649174
Studies have in reality have shown there's a correlation between being Republican and being fat and uneducated
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>>42649244
Any other manlet wants to kill himself after seeing this pic?
Fucking Chads, I swear.
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>>42651237
Sure they do. That's why the studies proving the link between testosterone and nationalism get posted often but you never have a study to back your claim of a link between obesity, uneducation and being right wing.
Not to mention anyone can see that leftists are the most out of shape and most uneducated on average. Truly the lowest plebeian filth.
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>>42651357
>implying he's a Chad
Look at his arms. They're tiny. He looks like that was his first game ever.
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>>42649279
>every single person on that photo
I though it is reversed cheerleader effect but no, every one of them is like that
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>>42651368
Actual nationalists in real countries=high test
Repubs=fat and stupid
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>>42648926

The balkans are the last bastion of manliness. Those countries still got military service enforced.

Rest of Europe is extremely pussified, US and AUS too. Let's not even talk about Canada or Japan.
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>>42651527
So you think Switzerland is manly too? lmao
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>>42650580
Damn it the bastards wearing a Fred Perry.
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>>42651525
True. Republicans are as lowly scum as antifa.
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>>42650659
>proud cucks unite
is this satire?
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>>42652526
*minority
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>>42649164
>Daily reminder that fascism was the direct cause of the deaths of millions of whites
*hitler's nazism
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Don't care. Keep your body right and get a decent education and ensure that your offspring become part of the ruling class once we start farming fatties for energy like the Leviathans on Supernatural.
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>>42649164
This. It's also an excuse to solve the White Problem because Nazis were evil and they can just say anyone trying to have an all-white society are racist nazis. Literally shot themselves in the foot and gave all these kikes and niggers ammunition to kill off all the whites. Hitler was a retard.
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>Be a dude 2017
>nu males everywhere
>Test levels down in men across the board
>You realize this, decide to do something about it
>get /fit/
>clean, healthy, organic/fresh, balanced diet
>no processed foods
>no plastic bottles
>cool testicles / cold showers
>meditation-no depression

>Dont turn into a neonazi/backwards because you're not a hateful mong

>You are now better than 90%+ of male population
>??Profit??
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>>42652817
>>You are now better than 90%+ of male population
Please elaborate on this with statistics and reliable data
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Lifting has raised my test to the point where I want to beat the shit out of numales that I see in public. This shit is not good for my already existent anger issues. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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everyone is a beta male except me reeee
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>>42652849
proud numale detected
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>>42648926
>posts pic with nazi imagery
fuck the fuck off, asshole
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>>42652955
Nice statistics
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>>42650963
>Can't tell if this is irony or not

Jesus Christ what has become of this site
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>>42653273
KEK
U
C
K
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I do my part, I work in a factory and can grow a beard and chop wood and defend myself
Then I go out to a bar and Stacy doesn't want me because I'm not some clean shaved chad in a $150 polo
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>>42649164
Not even true m8
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>>42651237
No they haven't, they're misquoted, taken out of context bullshit just like that study is.
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>>42649174

Stress from lower economic status and immigration raises testosterone. significantly. regardless of chemical input.

As soon as someone gets a smaller paycheck their testosterone rises almost immediately.
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>>42650546
>>42650580
>>42650600
>>42650620
>>42650641
Its almost as if those who need to base their identity on the political extremes aren't well rounded healthy happy people
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>>42649279

oink oink oink
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>>42650726
that level of irony cannot be lost on them surely
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>>42650726
when will /pol/ learn that they are basically just right wing SJWs
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>>42653724
one wants to elevate the working people, the other wants a christian ethnostate ( do they even have a goal lol)
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>>42648926
Of course not. There is no need for men to be swole in CURRENT year. The only reason why your ancestors were more "manly" is because they had no choice.
>technologies
>automation
>less physically demanding jobs
>more office jobs
>cheap and plenty of food
>welfare
Laziness and overeating are inherent evolutionary features all of us have, so the result is majority of population is lazy and fat.
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>>42648926
>Will men ever be men again

When we (myself included) stop wasting so much time on 4chan, netflix, playing vidya, or whatever unproductive thing, and spend it doing something meaningful.
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>>42653838
/pol/ has no goal. It's just sheltered young people with no goal in live congregating in one place and circlejerking about muh degeneracy while they're degenerates themselves. What's going to happen after getting getting rid of all the jews in the US? The rich elite like Trump will keep on exploiting you like they always have. How's your life going to improve? It won't.
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White civilization peaked in the 20th century. It's being brought to run by niggers, women and fags. https://youtu.be/yx9RgTiIKDE
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>>42653893
go home leftypol
you're not convincing anyone, and never will
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>>42649133
clever
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>>42653893
>It's just sheltered young people with no goal in live congregating in one place and circlejerking about muh degeneracy while they're degenerates themselves
Can't speak for everyone but this really isn't true, I found /pol/ when I was 15 and when I started taking the stuff on it seriously I started focusing more on getting good marks then playing vidya and I started going to the gym, all in all, it really matured me.
And it's not like I'm the only one, I've spoken to several people who have had the exact same experience.
Sure there are a lot of losers on /pol/ but every fucking movement has cunts in it.
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>>42649279
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>>42653698
h-h-h-ow did you k-know???
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>>42653964
>but every fucking movement has cunts in it.
The difference is the majority of your "movement" are cunts. You're in the minority by leading a successful life.
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>>42654063
>The difference is the majority of your "movement" are cunts
I'll need some proof on that
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>>42650538

gay naked frog?
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>>42648926
We live in an age of "Anomie" or normlessness. A time where freedom of self expression has prevailed and culture has eroded. There are now a million different ways to live your life, and according to most people, there is no wrong way. This sort of thing happens to societies from time to time. Every generation has its own problems and this is ours. There is a way out though. Make a new culture. Something that promotes rites of passage, a tangible standard of what is acceptable in life, and is easy enough for most people to understand. You've already started this movement. This idea of "you're gonna make it" is a rite of passage that we've produced ourselves, to be used for ourselves. Just keep going down this avenue and things will get better.
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>>42654129
I don't save pictures /pol users so I guess you win. All I have is this.
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>>42653823

The point of being a SJW is that you're now too retarded to see contrary evidence, aka *pilled
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>>42649279

>everyone in that room would be me a nazi because I don't want to send my daughter to a school filled with muslims

My hate knows no limit.
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>>42649279
holy fuck i know some of these people, anyone know where this was?
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>>42654249
>>42649438
>>42649497

I asked and apparently it was a fan meetup for a podcast called "drunken peasants"
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>>42654200
They're not part of my movement, I'm a fascist, looking at how that """man""" blindly supports Trump supporter I'd bet money on him being a fascist
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>>42654398
not being a fascist*
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>>42653598
>defining manliness with an underpaid job and the ability to grow a beard
oh boy
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>>42655006
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>>42653215
What are you trying to say? Nazis were the good guys.
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>>42653838
>one wants to elevate the working people
You talking about Nazis? Because Commies have never tried to do that, only National Socialists have tried and SUCCEEDED.
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>>42651237
Nope
In fact blacks and mexicans are the fattest and dumbest in an absolute landslide
Come again?
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>>42652817
>>Dont turn into a neonazi/backwards because you're not a hateful mong

The only effective way of dealing with the cuck flood is stomping on it until it stops moving. Hate is useful for that.
I hate that fats, womyn and cucks are even allowed to exist. It just makes the siren in my head go off, pitying them wont help me get rid of them. Hate will.
Get a spine nigger, there are things worth hating out there, only a delusional tard can remain serene in times like these.
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>>42655517
I hope you put more effort into working out than you do baiting.
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>>42655733
How was it bait, it's an objective fact. All commies are subhuman filth that need to be purged for their crimes against Europa.
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>>42652817
Being a Nazi is forward not backwards. You are backwards.
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>>42655744
>>42655751
TIME
AND
A
PLACE
YOU
NIGGERS
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>>42648926
>>42649083
>>42649098
Fuck off OP. This has nothing to do with weapons.
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>>42655744
>that reply speed
Thanks for the (you).
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>>42655765
This guy is bait pretending he's not and calling others bait.
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>>42651237
nice meme
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>>42655744
LITTLE FASHY DICKS
BIG NAZBOL COCKS
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>>42653893
>on the internet shitposting about sheltered young people
reddit pls
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>>42655503
>only National Socialists have tried and SUCCEEDED
1000 jähriges Reich
-> After 12 years your Reich gets fucked by Commies
>SUCCESS
Nazis are stupid as fuck
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>>42655814
>baiter ends up giving the (yous)
Keep em coming nazi fag. I've almost got that fifth tally mark.
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>>42648926
fuck off fit isnt a political board
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>>42655888
>>42655841
Apparently it's still you commie cucks who are the most retarded as always, because losing in a war has nothing to do with how successful or not a governmental system was/is.
Commies truly are at the very bottom of the whole intelligence range. Of course a country will get destroyed if dozens of other countries gang up on them by the orders of the Jewry. This has nothing to do with how their system performed, are you really this braindead?

Yes, National Socialism is the only ideal and system in human history that actually gave prosperity and wellbeing to the entire working class of a nation. This fact triggers commie cuck boys to no end, something their ideology was never able to achieve.

Time to post some /leftypol/ memes to reveal how non glowy their brains are.
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>>42650641
>/pol/
>not being too paranoid for photos

I don't believe you
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>>42655949
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>>42655949
>because losing in a war has nothing to do with how successful or not a governmental system was/is.
>Yes I believe in social Darwinism
>No the fact that we received history's biggest ass-whooping does not mean we're inferior.

>Yes, National Socialism is the only ideal and system in human history that actually gave prosperity and wellbeing to the entire working class of a nation.
>mfw
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>>42655983
Jesus commies are fucking retarded.
Explain how in your damaged mind is losing a 1 vs the world war some kind of proof that the National Socialist government does not work, that its economics, education system and all other aspects do not work? Are you fucking stupid? The war had nothing to do with the National Socialist systems any aspects.
It worked perfectly for the entire peace time duration until the ZOG puppets attacked in their jealousy.

There is nothing as unintelligent on this planet as commies.
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>>42655983
One of the biggest issues of communism was that it has always been an instrument that they (the "bolsheviks") were using in order to destroy europe, rather than build it up. The white ethnicities of russia were sent to their death and the asian hordes were coaxed to fill their places.

>mfw ukranian under stalin
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>>42649279
Is that m00t taking the picture?
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>>42649044
fpbp
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>>42649343
>But society as a whole doesnt.

Good, this should be a great Eugenics project then.

You get your shit together, raise a large family of independent, strong and intelligent children with good values

Let the weak and meek die out and get out of your way.
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>>42656929
>Let the weak and meek die out and get out of your way.
Does not work that way. Like a quickly spreading fungus, the inferior always breeds faster than the superior.
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>>42648926
leftypol faggots are literally the barnyfags of anything even slightly related to pol
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>>42657870
i wonder what a hurricane would do to that, maybe it would be like an anthill being flooded
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>>42657904
You mean /pol/ are the barneyfags of every board and every thread.
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GAME OVER
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>>42650771
good point, here's your (you)
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>>42649244
>you will never feel this feel
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>>42650771
The problem is individuals do not have time to virtuously date 100 people hoping for society to change while everyone else has all the fun. Your options were basically to marry your highschool sweetheart, be a virtuous cuck who misses out or enjoy the downfall of society and have casual sex.
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>>42654195
there's a theory something along those lines, personally I think it's a bit simplistic but I guess if you look at trends...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory#Generational_archetypes_and_turnings
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>>42650538
Just be a normal white nationalist dude. Stop asking for race wars and other gay shit unless you are in Europe.
Best chance in America you will get is start a movement dedicated to limiting immigration, removing welfare and establishing white-only and black-only areas.
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>>42650840
You realise there is such thing as a commie white nationalist.
Nazbols and Strasserists, Richard spencer is one of them.
You should change commie to Anarchist
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>>42650117
I mean they could have handled the rally well, instead of screaming shit like Jews will not replace us and wearing Adolf shirts.
If they do not want a statue removed they could of handled it more calmly.
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>>42655763
you're not on /k/
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>>42649044
Spotted the genetic dead-end beta """male""" lol
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>>42655503
>SUCCEEDED.
is that why they lost?
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>be american (anglo)
>try to be national socialist
Socialism is quintessentially Eurasian and will NEVER EVER be applicable to atlantics.
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>>42653256
>soviet gym teachers parade 1956
tiki torches just dont have the right flare LMAO
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>>42650082
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>>42660491
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>>42660499
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>>42660504
Wow..these natsocs are so doughy.
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>>42649197
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>>42660516
>>
Less competition for me kek
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>>42648926
>femanon
PRAISE KEK LMAO xD
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>>42649279
look at this picture and tell me they're not poisoning the water
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>>42649279
This guy could fix himself though.
Tall, ok jaw, nice frame.
He should shave the horrible beard, get a normal haircut and lift. Suddenly chad
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threads like these remind me that being 6' 1", fit and with good face genetics makes me better looking than 90% of the people on this entire website
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>>42649279
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>>42649279
You want to see where all the chads have gone? Look up pics of night clubs, frat parties and gyms. You fags always posy pics of some shit game of thrones bar and wonder why they're all ugly or fat.
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