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first for

REMINDER:
No amout of steroids will fix your BETA-AS-FUCK lack of personality, make you intelligent if you're dumb, make you funny if you have no sense of humor or a shit sense of humor, make you interesting if you're dull, make your face handsome if you're ugly, or make you taller if you're a manlet. They won't make you brave in the face of all the bullies that obviously dominated you, or make you stand up to your (step)father who used to beat you. It won't cure your crippling autism. It won't do ANYTHING other than give you circus-freak muscles that everyone knows are fake, making you more of a target for ridicule, mockery, and bullying.

>>42614510
metabolic syndrome

>>42614410
LGD-4033 generally speaking, LGD-3303 is supposed to be stronger but I havent tried it yet, S23 also supposed to be quite ridiculous, but it causes full shut down like a steroid (LH and FSH included iirc).

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Anyone else get residue like this on the bottom of their tren vials or is this due to bad brew process or just being an older vial?

>>42615017
Slight crashing maybe? Can't say I've seen that happen to a vial though, only liquid suspension "research" chems.

>>42615017
Canadian sources lol

>>42615017
It started to crystalise it can happen for several reasons. Just heat the oil up and it should dissolve.

>>42615017
>that disgusting nail

I've got 2 vials of 250mg test e. I'm planning on running 500 once a week for 10 weeks with arimidex and nolva for pct as my first cycle.
Would it be better to go 400mg 12 weeks or even 350mg 14 weeks? I've already pinned 500mg once this week.

hi i making my first cycle
1000mg test-e
400mg deca
400mg tren
50 dbol
20 week
what training programme do i use?

>>42615091
>test e
>10 weeks
>500mg once a week
>not 250mg twice a week
do your research dumbass

>>42614906
AUTISM

>>42615109
Sheiko, all the cycles, at once

>>42615109
This is reasonable

>>42615124
>>42615125
thanks

>>42615109
>>42615125
>>42615124

i swear on me queer mate, this is b8 100%

Anyone got progress pics of a beginner that decides to take his first cycle early on?

>>42615139
Most likely not. I know you have s habit of calling literally everything you don't agree with bait, and it's probably some weird European tick; but most on 4chan are actually stupid enough to think this is a good idea.

You overestimate your audience.

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>>42615156
You think THIS>>42615109 is retarded and dumb just like i do. so why am i weird.

>you overestimate your audience

what did he mean by this

>>42615153
i can tell you that 2 of my non-lifting friends started taking roids at the same time they started lifting.

Both of them look absolutely awful.

>>42615236
>Both of them look absolutely awful.
Please elaborate, why?
Also, any chance you can post pictures that are cropped and you block the face?

>>42615257
i dont have pictures of them.

Why, because they dont have any muscle maturity. Muscles not only take time to grow in size, but also need alot of time to get a nice and asthetic shape. And my friends muscle groups are shapeless, they just increased in size.

Obviously steroids will speed up the process of muscle maturity, but if you just started lifting and want to get on roids, dont expect much.

Unless you go full retard like this >>42615109

why you shouldnt

I gotta say man, tren looks fucking DIRTY. You can tell just by looking at it that it's some serious shit. That pale yellow rusty nail color...

how big can someone get on just 500mg test-e?

>>42615449
this big

>>42615089
Apparently someone doesn't work any kind of hard labour
>>42615040
One of two that we got.
>>42615038
>>42615046
If I didn't have two injections left on my blast I probably would heat it up but I was just a but curious to what causes this. My last vial did it as well but the other three have been fine.

>>42615371
>yellow rusty nail

Rust tends to be red, friendo.

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>>42615295
>Why, because they dont have any muscle maturity. Muscles not only take time to grow in size, but also need alot of time to get a nice and asthetic shape. And my friends muscle groups are shapeless, they just increased in size.

From a biological standpoint that makes zero sense. Muscle maturity is also not even a properly coined term, and has no proper scientific definition.

Let's assume someone does a pure Test cycle (Like most people do at first)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2917954
>Testosterone increased muscle protein synthesis in all subjects (27% mean increase, P less than 0.05).
>Muscle morphometry showed no significant increase in muscle fiber diameter.

Muscle fibers don't just "Get bigger" when you utilize testosterone.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11255140
>Hormones, especially insulin and testosterone, have important roles as regulators of muscle protein synthesis and muscle hypertrophy

Increased testosterone makes your body spend more on muscle protein synthesis, and it is no different than normal muscle growth.

So overall,
If a Newfriend felt so inclined to begin early on, they just need to eat properly and exercise reasonably. Testosterone just gives them more bang for your buck.

I'd almost say if you start juicing up with anything you can get your hands on at first, then you are opening Pandora's box to having an ugly body.

>>42615464
how???

>>42615510
wew one way to go autistic about something as simple as the shape of your muscles

>Muscle fibers don't just "Get bigger" when you utilize testosterone.
literally what i said

> it is no different than normal muscle growth.
yes, has anyone ever denied that?

My point still stands. A bicep that has been trained for 2 years has a better, more asthetic shape than a biceps that reached the same size with steroids, but has only been trained for 4 months.

And yes, testosterone would only help with "shape". Im just telling this anon that he shouldnt expect much from 16 weeks of test if he just started lifting.

>>42615510
w/r/t protein synthesis, does anyone have an actual SCIENTIFIC ANSWER to whether it means enhanced lifters need more protein or can do more with less protein?

all I have is broscience to go by and I'd like an official answer

>>42615483
Ive worked hard labor and my nails never get like that, its hygeine.

>>42615606
>My point still stands. A bicep that has been trained for 2 years has a better, more asthetic shape than a biceps that reached the same size with steroids, but has only been trained for 4 months.

kek. get out of this thread

>>42615606
this post is so fucking dumb my dude

>>42615659
>>42615655
how can it be so hard to understand this basic concept.

lemme guess, murican?

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>>42615606
>Doing research about injecting stuff into your body without professional help is autistic

>Point disproved
>"M-muh point still stands, let me just conclude something again with 0 reputable sources"

Hows that bro science going for you

>Im just telling this anon that he shouldnt expect much from 16 weeks of test if he just started lifting.
Much =/= More.
Even then, your point does not make sense, wether or not there is a 'better time' to get on gear. If someone lifts natty to get to a point where they can get even more out of, seems silly, since taking test will get them to the point of even more benefit, faster than if they lifted natty.

Secondly,
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101
>Fat-free mass did not change significantly in the group assigned to placebo but no exercise (...)
>The men treated with testosterone but no exercise had an increase of 3.2 kg in fat-free mass
>those in the placebo-plus-exercise group had an increase of 1.9 kg.
>The increase in the testosterone-plus-exercise group was substantially greater (averaging 6.1 kg).
>The percentage of body fat did not change significantly in any group
So let us assume bloat from the Test injected with no exercise
>Natty: 1.9 kg
>Test: 6.1 - 3.2 = 2,9kg
This gives us a rough estimate of ~50% more muscle growth for people who have not yet reached their 'natty limit'.

>>42615627
Disclaimer: I can't find a specific study, but I have a deeper understanding about muscle growth and diet (I used to study it, and I also still keep myself up to date). - I don't see why you would eat less protein in any case. But what a Test injection does is allow your body to grow more muscle fibers during rest, allowing yourself to utilize more protein in your diet (I.e. increased your protein 'cap' for benefits). So I would say just add more to your macros and you'll be good.

>>42615680
because it's not a basic concept, it's something you pulled completely out of your fucking ass

>>42615680
You don't have to answer questions you don't know the answers to.

>>42615767
>If someone lifts natty to get to a point where they can get even more out of, seems silly, since taking test will get them to the point of even more benefit, faster than if they lifted natty.

Yes obviously.
I dont even know what you are arguing about.

>>42615770
that thing i said about 4 months and 2 years.
If you cant understand that it just tells me you are dyel or just started lifting. Anyone who has a few years of lifting under his belt can see it on his own body.

>>42615767
>I don't see why you would eat less protein in any case. But what a Test injection does is allow your body to grow more muscle fibers during rest, allowing yourself to utilize more protein in your diet (I.e. increased your protein 'cap' for benefits).
It's not really about eating less, it's about whether eating more really is beneficial.

basically there's two schools of broscience regarding protein synthesis
1) it means it's more efficient, meaning you can do more with less. increasing protein consumed does nothing
2) your side; you can now use more protein than you could as a natural

I've been looking for studies but I can't find any that would confirm either. the closest I could find were actually more on the side of 1) than 2)

>>42615110
Why not 250mg twice a week? Everything I find says twice a week.

>>42615847
the problem with that is that you assume it's from time and not the size of the muscles. you're confounding the two and assuming that because it takes natties year to get to that point it also would be the same for people on gear regardless of much faster progress.

you're just spouting nonsensical broscience tbH

>>42615830
the only question i reponded to was >>42615153
with first hand experience, the best possible answer there is.

You guys are tiresome, its like talking to toddlers.

>>42615606
>he shouldnt expect much from 16 weeks of test if he just started lifting
>When you first start lifting, that people consider the period with the most rapid gains
>now augment that with test
>dont expect much
fucking retard tripfriends I swear to god

>>42615867
>If someone lifts natty to get to a point where they can get even more out of, seems silly, since taking test will get them to the point of even more benefit, faster than if they lifted natty.

I just told you me and my friends all have the same sized upper arms with the same amount of bodyfat you homongous imbecile.
Dont reply to me again because obviously you are too much of a dumb nigger to properly read.

Jesus fuck, i talked to some ottermode natty cuck about this a few days ago and even he knew what i was talking about.

>>42615870
Then stop posting idk dude

>>42615898
fuk wrong quote.

>the problem with that is that you assume it's from time and not the size of the muscles

>>42615898
retard

>>42615904
I like you bimbo

>>42615898
what the fuck are insertions

motherfucking "muscle maturity"...

>>42615867
also
>assuming that because it takes natties year to get to that point it also would be the same for people on gear regardless of much faster progress.

i literally LITERALLY said the opposite, stating that steroids would speed up this process.

Again, too much of a dumb nigger to properly read. Visit elementary school again i beg you.

>>42615904
make me big guy

>>42615627
If you have higher levels of protein synthesis you need more calories and protein, as repairing damage take energy and the buldibg blocks are proteins.

>>42615888
>Tripfriend got BTFO'd by another tripfriend
kind of funny desu

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>>42614829
bimbo notice me

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>>42615091
why do you insist on asking this when every time we tell you to split it up into two 250 mg injections?

Increasing NPP dose fucks body fat right off
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11255140
>Daily injections of 1 mg/kg of NPP for 10 days caused a significant increase in weight gain which was associated with an increase in body protein (9%) without affecting body fat
>...no change in body weight at 10 mg/kg. However body protein content was still increased (9%) whereas body fat content was significantly reduced (32%)

>Significant fat reduction but no body weight change, also means significant fat free mass increase

Tfw human eqiuvalent dose of 10mg/kg is 1.62mg/kg, which is about a 140mg ED dose of NPP, basically a gram per week of NPP.

>>42615091
I fucking hate you

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>>42615870
>"You guys are tiresome, its like talking to toddlers."
>attentionposts worse than Crusader about muh balding and muh acne and how nobody could possibly have it worse
kek don't start m8

>>42616038
>having discussions about acne and hairloss and how to combat them is the same as whining.
>nobody has it worse than me
>i ever said that

dont make me kek

How much do you guys pay for blood tests, and how often do you do them

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>>42616021
>it's easy to recomp on a gram of gear

>>42616118
No change in diet or activity, just a dosage change which dropped a lot of body fat.

>>42616021
10 days, 32% bf reduction? let me doubt the human parallels

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I just measured my heartbeat and it's pounding like crazy at around 120bpm
An idea crossed my mind
I found an online calculator about heart rate and BMR,when i measured it the result was insane,like 10k calories or what

Note that i have this high heartbeat throughout the whole day since clen's half life is like days

What are your thoughts?

>>42615606
>A bicep that has been trained for 2 years has a better, more asthetic shape than a biceps that reached the same size with steroids, but has only been trained for 4 months.

This is literally completely totally not true.

>>42616159
>an online calculator about heart rate and BMR
this is stupid

>>42616158
>it has to be either 32% or nothing,cant be an inbetween value

>>42616159
RIP Anon 2017

>>42616021
Time to run 1g of NPP a week

>>42616168
Let's say it's shit,even then mistaking 2000 calories for example still leaves a bmr of 8k calories

>>42616229
trying to link bmr to heart rate is stupid.

>>42616260
Why?Faster heartbeat means more caloric burn,this is undeniably true

>>42616021
Was going to run 350 NPP with 500 mast for 6 weeks in October to see how I react to it so I might actually bump it up to a gram a week after reading this

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What's the real honest to god risk if I don't take all that long off between blasts of straight test e at 500 mg / wk? Is it mostly concern about bloods being fucked (cholesterol-wise), BP, and left ventricle hypertrophy? By 'not all that long off' I mean literally hopping back on after 4 weeks at cruise after 16 at blast.

>>42616357
yeah it's lipids mostly. bp should always be under control regardless but it can get worse if you aren't paying attention to it.

lipids and lvh/heart disease in general are closely related.

you're not gonna die overnight, a lot of people just permablast, but you should really consider taking breaks (cruise). you're not gonna die being "off" for 2 months.

4 weeks isn't that short btw, it's very possible you could already have recovered, especially from just test

>>42616270
wait until I tell my 300 pounds friend sitting at a constant 120rhr because of how out of shape he is that he can still eat more food because his bmr (not even tdee!) is at 10000 calories/day. he's gonna be so happy

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>>42616416
Yeah I'm cruising at the moment but I've been having a little trouble dialing in my AI and test dosages at the moment. Tried cruising at 250 mg / wk, my estrogen spiked and my dick was having issues until I added some AI. Then I felt my estrogen crashed from too much AI (likely not, just psychosomatic) so my dick was having issues again (likely due to being worried about having dick issues).
Essentially life was so much better and easier on blast, so I was considering yoloing it and hopping back on blast early. At least my dick would work. Maybe I'll hold off on that for now.

Alright guys, be brutally honest with me. I'm 3 weeks into my first cycle ever (test) and I'm already considering getting some tren Ace to spice things up a bit. Besides typical Reddit tier reasoning, is there any real reason not to do this?

>>42616536
Nah run just tren and worry about side later. Just make sure you are committed to pinning every day

>>42616536
>Besides typical Reddit tier reasoning
what he meant by this

lifted for about 3 years. Stopped because of manual labor job and lack of time. Wanna start again but don't want to wait a year to look decent .any advice?

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>time for pin
>open up the syringe
>there is a noticable amount of fluid already inside

What the FUCK? It came right out of a new box of BD insulin pins.

On week 6 of babby's first cycle. I've gone up in strength but physically I look no different, what's up?

>>42616582
Reddit is almost exclusively bro-science and elitism.
They also love to talk out of their ass and like it's fact.
They also love to brag about mediocre or even non existent results.
Best of all, their advice is usually always shit.
They also have the mindset that Steroids are some kind of secret club, which is weird.

I think it comes from reddits general self-improvement flaw, that is that everyone preaches what other random people say, and claim something works to assure themselves it does because they are currently doing it / are about to do it. So they will just sometimes straight up lie and say something worked for them, despite not even doing it yet.

They are just the level above a youtube comment section.

Reddit is alright for sources though. Got some cheap ones with good rep.

>>42616584
Do your research, only listen to valid studies.
Disregard broscience as evidence, use it to know what you should study on your own.

Steroids are not that complicated if you got a basic understanding of biology.

>>42616637
That's free gear man, inject it! Its like when a hotel leaves a chocolate on your pillow.

>>42616653
>That's free gear man, inject it! Its like when a hotel leaves a chocolate on your pillow.

I was tempted for a second but then I remembered I'm a paranoid motherfucker.

>>42616653
im asking will i be good if i hop on? or should i like a couple months then juice

>>42616582
>roid use is a journey. Be patient. Complete your beginner cycle and include it with your next one
>NO, you're new to steroids and you need to wait longer to see how your body reacts before introducing other compounds
>NO, you're not experienced enough yet for serious compounds like tren. Earn your dues first.

Just retarded liberal reasons man I'm sure you understand

>>42616653
u talkin about r/steroids?

>>42615014
I ordered 4033 and 3303 for 60$ but I see it on the sarms site for like 250$. Did I get scammed?

Also I'm very excited to try it.

Iv had an allergic reaction to dnp, do you think I can meet another reaction to sarms? Just wondering cause it was very scary

what do the diets look like for some of the more experienced /fraud/ers?

>>42616670
why do you think the second one is wrong?

this isn't a meme, in 3 weeks you have no idea how you react to test. it hasn't even hit its peak in your blood yet, you haven't gotten bloods, you sure as shit haven't dialed in your e2 yet and you want to add a compound with prolactin sides amplified by high estradiol

do whatever the fuck you want, I don't care, but if you were going to that the right choice would have been to start on low dose test (like 150ish) for 5-6 weeks, make sure everything is dialed in right then add the tren for about 8-10 weeks. not yolo add tren on top of 500mg test after 3 weeks

but again, you do what you want, I'm not your mom

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>>42616670
I agree with the first two, not with the third.

desu no i dont understand. but you do you

>>42616794
>>42616790
T. Redditors

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>>42616536
> is there any real reason not to do this?
assuming you're using test e / c, you haven't even hit peak blood concentrations of testosterone - so you're just being an impatient fuck. when sides crop up - and they will to some degree - you're going to now be trying to figure out what's causing it which is twice as fun with two different compounds of completely different esters.
I'd stick to test until you figure it out, then build on it but do you bby

>>42616898
No, that makes sense. Thank you for the reasonable answer. I'll wait it out

>>42616836
good arguments bro

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Current dumb suicide stack:

980mg Tren E
250mg Test E
400mg Mast E

To add or not to add 400mg EQ?

>>42617077
"no"

>>42617077
Remove everything but 250 test and it's perfect.

>>42617077
If gonna go retard, go full retard and use a dose of EQ beyond what women's physique locals use

>>42617117
Pls explain

>>42617123
I need to prep and I'm behind

>>42617127
Pls give dosage

>>42617146
You're prepping? Fuck the EQ. You'll be 2 months past the show before it matters.

>>42617146
My prep was half of that still. No reason to run long ester before prep, you'll be cutting all oils two weeks from stage any ways.

Who the fuck is coaching you? Moosey?

>>42617181
>Who the fuck is coaching you? Moosey?
ayyy

bimbo is a savage today

>>42617162
>>42617181
Not prepping for show, prepping for cosplay.

Its in November and I need to get as big as possible at that point.

>>42617194
Oh I do this too. Same shit basically. Regardless it's a dumb stack unless you're already 225 lbs lean at 5'9.

How much better is Dbol-Test than just Test

>>42617212
>81kg, 8-10%bf, 5'6

EQ should help with vascularity from what I've read and I can stay roided during the cosplay.

High dosed Tren because why not, sides seem fine and will have blood next week.

This event could actually land me something good for once.

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>>42617246
Show pic. I can look like this at almost a foot taller on 250 test, so can you at 5'6. And take my word for, cosplay hos aren't worth it.

>>42617264
>take my word for, cosplay hos aren't worth it

Seconded

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>>42617264
How much strength / size did you lose when you switched from blast to cruising on 250 test sempai?

>>42617264
these arguments are the dumbest thing ever

like when people who have been roiding for 5 years pct off temporarily and say "this is what I look like natty," no dude you've been using grams of gear for years to get there

>>42617293
Not much, some fullness. I time my sugar intake for peri and post workout so strength maintains.

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>>42617264
No recent one, will fix one soon.

Left: mid March, 76~kg
Right two: end July, 79kg

I can look like good at 250mg test but I want to go full retard and be as big as I can get shredded.

Not for cosplay sluts, but for my own goals, to impress everyone and land a comfy place at an agency for free cosplay tickets, hotel and flights.

>>42614906
true

>>42617303
That won't happen at a convention. I have been pretty deeply rooted in that community for almost a decade. Only women make those deals and I personally know 4 that made a career of it. You're better off setting up a patreon. Good luck though.

>>42617264
>I can look like this at almost a foot taller on 250 test

>>42617324
I already set up a deal when I impress enough as Gohan.

Its good motivation. Not saying its a full time thing but once or twice a year deal.

>>42617368
Good for you dude! That's cool. Be smart though, use that connection to branch out into a real gig and promote yourself as much as possible? Have you set up your IG and twitter? Make that patreon. If you play games make a twitch. Basically build a brand.

>>42617394
Slowly setting up a Twitch since we'll be moving into our new house soon and kept a setup in mind.
No idea what the fuck to play tho.

As for IG and Twitter, I'll wait and see where this brings me first.

>>42617416
IG is like step #1 man

people will ask for that

>>42617416
Play whatever games attract an audience. Look at popular trends on what big releases have the most attention. Play your OW, Souls shit, Persona, Monster Hunter. Weebs love that shit.

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How the fuck is this considered 'bad' or 'mediocre' progress?

>>42617431
I'll be a manlet turbo dyel in a sea of bigger roidboys on IG.
What would I even post?

I assume you have one, what does one do with IG?

>>42617431
And this, IG is a millenials business card.

>>42617440
>Monster Hunter

I can live with that. Or some hearthstone.

>>42615109
Up the deca to 700 mg, add 50 mg adol. Don't waste your gear man

>>42617264
You look at that on 250mg of test? Bullshit man, don't tease my heart like that

>>42617527
Its not like he got where he is on 250mg test, he's just cruising now.

>>42617527
>>42617295

>>42617445
Because he used steroids to look like someone thats been lifting for 3 months?

>>42617571
That's not 3 months progress and you know it.

>>42617445

didn't he lift at all going from 1 to 2, or is that what's waiting me on my weight loss journey while being natty?

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>>42617293
Bro I feel great after I gave all my stashes of coke away. Made some girls very happy and noticing my energy levels actually improve (although I've been sleeping a fuck-ton, probably my body/brain resetting itself). I think I'm finally appreciating the effects of the blast I've been on for 4 weeks - it's good to feel real bloodflow/pumps.

I didn't really realize how much it was influencing my mental state and emotions (and sometimes lack thereof). I think it's best relegated to a party indulgence. Don't think I ever want to use it more than 2 days in a row, and would definitely want to wait at least a week in between uses. For now though, I have no desire to return to it.

Thanks for taking the time to talk me through it all. It's really easy for me to start rationalizing things but your 1st hand experience and lack of holier-than-thou tone made me a lot more receptive to the right way to proceed.

>>42617303
mirin asthetics.

any sides yet?

>>42617620
I've had some minor panic attacks in which I shoulder charged trough a door.

They're (hopefully) gone now. Some minor acne on right shoulder which is clearing up.
Other then that I feel absolutely amazing, bloods next week in case I'm rotting away on the inside.

>>42617594
He called it heavy cutting, but he did have someone coaching him, if I understand it correctly.

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>>42617592

you want to know how you gauge progress? you do it by how lean they are at a specific bodyweight and height. no one looks big at 160 pounds, except in angled pictures posted on the internet. 160 pounds is an absolutely pathetic bodyweight and most of the "impressive" pictures you see aren't even of men at 160 pounds. you see some reddit tier pic of a ripped dude at 145 pound but you don't realize how small and frail these people are IRL. imagine them with a t-shirt on. it's a joke. there is zero mass, zero density, it's just a weak idiot that doesn't eat

that dude doesn't look a hair over 160-170 in the last pic on the right and that is a pathetic bodyweight to be on your third cycle of roids and after 3 years of lifting (and he isn't even that lean to boot) and at his height, which he looks between 5'7'5'10.

i don't know how tall this dude is, but if this guy weighs at least 180 >>42617264 in this picture then i can already tell you hes going to be decently big in real life. ideally someone on roids that isn't a moron should be aiming for a lean 190 at or under a height of 5'10

>>42617466
>hearthstone
>cosplaying a card

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>>42617610
My pleasure man, I'm glad you took the time to actually think about it instead of blindly smashing lines for years like I did. There's nothing wrong with a once every few months couple of cheeky bumps on a night out with your friends, but some dudes like me can't even handle that much any more.
Glad to help padre, also glad to hear you are both making gains and making broads squeal. Keep doing both.

>>42617762
and to add to that, strength is another great measure of progress. i cringe so hard whenever I see some idiot on here or reddit running 500MG OF TESTOSTERONE with a 90kg bench. its like dude, what the fuck are you even doing. this people know NOTHING about eating or training and this pathetic excuse of a human is what I suspect comprises most of the posters between these two communities

>>42617762
lol the guy you quoted here >>42617264 is 6'4 240-250

post your body big boy

lol enjoy destroying your bodies and sexual function for muscles you'll lose the second you come off junk you idiot monkeys

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>>42617765
>not wanting to cosplay best demon bro

>>42617859
>coming off

Well memed

>>42617858
well there you go, my point exactly. you can't tell by pictures posted on the internet. post the stats and you can deduce from that how impressive they are IRL. that guy is obviously a monster in that case

>>42617762
that guy >>42617445 is 6'3 and over 210 pounds

Should I self medicate with t injections? I think I have low levels but I don't think I can hire a professional to help with blood tests and dosages here in soviet Britain. Also, is there anything that makes you more fertile while taking testosterone?

18, 5"11, 72kg, 18% bf, 6 weeks training

>>42617886
Get the fuck out you fucking retard
>muhhh low test where are my gains I've been lifting for 6 weeks already and I don't look good yet....

>>42617885
and btw it's not after 3 years, between the middle and right pic there's only 12 weeks of test + dbol

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/2szyez/harsh_roidaways_first_cycle_report
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/3p18hl/harsh_uroidaway_1_year_update

>>42617886
ye I'm pretty sure that you still can get your T-levels checked

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>>42617767
I think what really did the trick was your explanation of how your ex started to behave after prolonged use. I noticed that I was already sort of getting involved/attached with people with that sort of mentality/predilection and didn't want to go down that rabbit hole. One of the whole reasons I started using it was to get over an ex who was a former coke addict but still retained those behavior patterns. Was actually very heartbreaking and I decided to start using to try and understand whether it was a symptom of the drug use or just something innate to her personality. Don't know if I found the answer to that question because as I found in myself the two are interconnected.

Somehow your stories/anecdotes and warnings just put the puzzle together and showed me that that whole lifestyle is something I'm not interested in and probably "too old" for at this point in my life (almost 26, no spring chicken).

One thing I was a bit concerned about was pussy drying up but with my dick working even better now that I'm not on it and a sort of air of complacency lifting off me (could be blast libido gains) it's the exact opposite.

Best of luck to you too. Miring your recognition of addictive tendencies within yourself - it's a hard thing to admit. I had come to similar a similar realization when I swore off drinking but for some reason made an exception for coke. No more though.

>tfw get gyno flare ups cruising on 250mg of test
>had puffy nips throughout life and now they are slightly worse, even with 0.5mg of adex EOD
>face is now red
>deployment is now more of a possibility

Either I get off now and go back to my natty low t levels. Or keep pinning, deal with my mild gyno somehow, and run the risk of getting caught for AAS

Today's the day I decide whether or not I quit now while I can, or fully commit to this plunge into the land of gains but not so optimal health.

Fuck. What do you guys think?

>>42618065
get off and get prescription

>>42617874
Thats just warcraft though

>not cosplaying a belf babe

>>42618065
I take 10mg nolva eod for a while alot

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>>42618065
R A L O X
A
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Seems like you're running the risk of getting caught just by being in service and pinning whether or not you have e2 sides. Seems like evaluating the risk of getting caught should be the only consideration about whether or not to stay on. Also maybe try asin instead of adex. Be careful though. You aren't using a lot of test so you shouldn't need much and I find it very easy to crash e2 on asin especially since the pharma pills don't break up very well/evenly.

>>42618104
>not cosplaying a belf babe
>implying I'm cute enough for that

>>42616644
Dosages?

>>42618096
Lol I can't, I'm only 20 years old. There's no way in hell.

>>42618120
I'll look into Ralox. Fortunately I do get a little more leeway, because I'm a corpsman for a marine division. So going out into the field and what not I can carry my pins and everything in my med bag. My worry though is if there was ever a situation where I was in a combat zone, maybe blasting and cruising would not be ideal.

I don't know. Maybe I'll just ride the ralox train and keep doing what I'm doing. Ralox 60mg per day, right?

>>42617651
wew lad, you think that was caused by the roids?
I assume tren.

Pray to god that acne will go away. I was safe for the first 6 months and now im on accutane.

>>42618065
>joining the army in the first place
Have fun getting shot by muslims because some fat old fug in his office told you to invade their lands.

also take ralox for gyno

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What do you guys do in terms of eating and stuff? Particularly the lads here who actually look good. Do you eat clean? IIFYM? Protein every 3 hours? Count calories? What's the best way?

>>42618211
I'd rather use tren rage to kill muslims than to freak the fuck out over my gf possibly cheating on me T B H

>>42617886
6 weeks? Train for 6 years before even considering injecting hormones into your body, kid. If you're really that worried then go to a doctor and request to get them checked.

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>>42618227
i dont track anything and eat whatever i like.
Im also vegan.

>>42618211
Combination of stress and Tren, I have a history of having attacks pre roids.

As for acne, it flares up for a week or two when coming off or going on compounds. They never stick in the long run.

>>42618233
I freaked out over litterally thinking the shadow in the corner of the room killing me.

>>42618243
training > everything else

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>>42618243
god i wanna suck your dick so hard
youre literal perfection

>>42618227
>What's the best way?
Get your vitamins, minerals and fiber. Get "sufficient" amount of protein. Don't gain weight too fast.

>>42618243
>eating whatever you want
>also vegan
Whew

>>42618243
>I'm vegan
Is that why your body is banana yellow?

>>42618258
How much is sufficient?

>>42618243
Lookin good ignore the haters

>>42618285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhVAdRQi_o4
Dr. Mike Israetel is a very smart guy, I recommend that you look him up

>>42618278
Atleast he's not green.

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>>42618192
>situation where I was in a combat zone, maybe blasting and cruising would not be ideal.
I could see this being true. I remember you posting and really your issue is high bf% iirc. Work on cutting that out ASAP and watch your e2 issues also disappear.

Then perma cruise and maybe get some long ester test (a lot more UGLs are carrying it now I've noticed) and you'll be down to 1 pin a week or even 1 every 2 weeks if you're ok with fluctuations for the period of time you're in the combat situation.

Ralox is 60mg/day yes but some guy on reddit swears by 120mg split up am/pm to combat existing gyno and that's what I've been doing. According to chem though ralox doesn't do shit for reversing existing gyno so I'm using it with only the the goal/expectation that it will prevent new gyno.

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Oh the perpetual loop begins once again. Do I take a load of test and deca to bulk up to monster-huge levels and risk becoming like Blaha, or take some tren and get down to shredded skinny mode. Currently 190lbs 17% bodyfat

>>42618369
>17%
>considering a bulk

Wut

>>42618330
Fucking sick man, I'll try that. I'll be in the field for 2 months starting next week, so I'll be having a bitch of a time trying to cut on MREs

120mg sounds like a decent idea. How's that been working for you?

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>>42618256
thank you anon, i would let you suck it.

>>42618278
im pale like a vampire anon

>>42618290
thx bretheren


browsing fraud just reminded me i didnt pin for 4 days aye lmao

>>42618400
Fucking how do I get your body bb?

And besides reading the Reddit page, how would I decide to get on gear?

I'm 20 with a fairly high bf % but currently on a cut. I want to see where I can get naturally but I'm impatient and I want to look like Adonis himself.

>>42618400
A chinese vampire, maybe. And I'm sure it's not blood you want to suck

>>42618425
become vegan, dont do any compound lifts kek

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The internet, and by association this board has a strange manner of compartmentalizing. You guys tend to think in binaries. I see this mostly with the argument of "how to get x body?" "That's achieved through y variable".

The human body is a chemical machine: genetics, diet and training all play fairly equal roles when it comes to what kind of body you can build. Drug use just enhances all of these variables further. None of these processes or events exist in a vacuum and all occur synergistically with one another.

High volume, TUT stressed muscle is going to upregulate mTOR giving a large upstream to compounds like igf, insulin and protein synthesis. Glucose and amino ingestion are going to largely dictate your net nitrogen balance and that nitrogen balance is going to be affected by how hard you train or what drugs you're currently consuming.

To say one factor is largely more responsible than another is short sighted and erroneous. Drugs can be a great equalizer in many respects, including a cascading effect on gene expression and how androgen receptors are activated; however, all variables need to be in place to achieve an admirable body.

>>42618541
You took me >>42618425

way to literally.

Just want to get swole and work on my weak points and proportions. Just hate that progress has stalled and I want to cut but get bigger too. Which ain't Gonna happen but I can dream.

>>42618560
Wasn't directed at you or I'd have @ you my dude.

>>42618541
It's not just the internet. American politics at the moment are more than enough to show that.

3+ values and interactions iz hard.

>>42618382
>How's that been working for you?
Eh, it's ok t bh. Definitely new growth but I feel like the pubertal gyno I have (no it's not lumps it's at this point just fibrous but I strongly feel like it's not "just fat") is not going away anytime soon.

That being said, ralox has other good benefits such as improving bone density and some other stuff and it's pretty cheap so I'm down to take it in perpetuity since I'm going to BnC for life anyways.

Very much worth not having the stress of worrying about checking for gyno all the time. I've noticed high e2 based on mood/acne issues but haven't ever gotten sensitive/itchy nips or anything in the breast area since hopping on ralox.

Also I'm hoping it'll protect me when I decide to go for adrol which I've heard doesn't aromatise but still acts on the estro receptors.

>>42618541
Can you give an example of how to think about nutrient timing in a simple way? I assume that's what you're talking about when you talk about "glucose and amino ingestion" in combination with your earlier post >>42617297 mentioning the timing being important.

I know that causing insulin spikes by consuming sugar can be very useful for your tissues to soak up energy (at the expense of burning fat I think because that's why fasted cardio is said to be better than cardio after you've eaten).

Can you also talk about how protein/amino intake should be timed?

>>42618311
Is 1g per lb true while on steroids as well?

>>42618704
you don't actually use that much protein to build muscle

1g/lb is more than enough

>>42618650
Glucose has a positive impact on your net nitrogen balance. Building tissue is important obviously, but a very overlooked factor is training and its impact on protein degredation. A simple 2 hour training session can throw your net nitrogen balance into the negative extremely quickly if you haven't timed nutrients.

A simple way to counter this is sipping on 60-90g glucose during the workout period. You can go a step further and add a fast acting whey hydrolysate, but many avoid food products during this period.

The best time for food is always post workout. Protein synthesis is way extended as a process when on drugs, but obviously this process is more efficient the closer you time food to your workout period. I like to make sure nitrogen is in the positive. Especially after the training sessions I commit to, it's easy to find nutrition lacking if you don't make a habit of eating consistently to maintain a balance.

Basically just fuel your body.

Should I do 5x5 daily while on Test?

>>42618723
>A simple 2 hour training session can throw your net nitrogen balance into the negative extremely quickly if you haven't timed nutrients.

I never thought about it like that but it makes perfect sense. I will definitely take your advice to sip on some glucose and possibly whey hydrolysate (would BCAAs be an acceptable substitute?) during workout.

As someone who eats 2 huge meals a day and basically snacks on fruit the rest of the time I'm going to try and take your advice to look at it more as a nitrogen balance equation and then make sure there isn't a time when I haven't had protein in over 4 hours or so. This has been happening more than I'd like and could be responsible for some plateauing I've noticed because from about 2pm-8pm I basically don't eat and then at 8pm I work out and usually can't force enough food down afterwards.

But that's backwards I understand now because I should be eating most after workouts. Easiest solution would be to start working out in the morning but if that doesn't happen at least I know how to adjust.

>>42616159
You're about to have a heart attack dude

>>42618790
no

>>42618837
So just keep doing it every other day then?

>>42618809
Don't do BCAAs. They're rarely digested well since aminos are so delicate. You could purchase peptide bonded aminos but at that point I'd say just she'll for a high quality whey hydrolysate; it's actually a food product, and works just as fast.

It really is kinda simple when you break it down in terms of energy expended, and energy maintained. Obviously there's no way to gauge this but a simple chug of sugar water can help prevent a catabolic state easily; more with actual food.

Sidebar: I tend to avoid sugar of all kinds until I lift and post workout when the body most needs nutrients shuttled to affected regions.

>>42618855
sure

>>42618928
What about this?
https://www.steroid.com/anabolic_workouts.php

Recently switched to a high-intensity, moderate frequency (alternating workouts AxBxAxx style), low volume program. It's a lot of fun, and I'm making gains, so that's good.

However, about an hour or two after training (depending on what I trained, it's like clockwork), I'm getting really sleepy/lethargic and a little light-headed. Can anyone tell me what this is and how to make it stop?

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Basic gestalt, Jon Jones tested positive for turnibol on a test the day before competition. He was tested throughout the camp and apparently it did not turn up. Is it a crack pot theory to think he was on some sort of masking agent and fucked it up?

>>42618978
Low blood sugar lol

>>42618978
low blood glucose maybe

>>42618993
>>42619002

Sounds about right, after a google search... I've heard people talk about hypoglycemia on tren, so that's why the symptoms sounded so familiar. I didn't think it would be an issue when not on tren (which I've never tried).

So it's time for more carbs postworkout, I guess. Weird.

Thanks, guys.

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>>42619026
take care

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>>42619039

Thanks, anon. This has never happened to me before, so I was confused. I'm eating crackers now, which should help. I thought a big potato would be enough, but I guess not.

That picture made me laugh, so thanks for that too.

>>42619071
have some fruit or other easily digestible carbs

>>42619071
Invest in powdered dextrose. Gatorade is like 1 each at the grocery for the fat bottles. Don't buy Powerade it's HFCS not dextrose. Don't use fructose it takes forever to digest and you'll get fatty liver.

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>22 years old
>180cm
could hgh help me reach 188-190 cm?

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>>42618864
When it comes to eating protein do you discriminate between different sources of protein? Like do you try to limit the amount that comes from powders vs. animal sources?

Reason I ask is because when looking into the whole nitrogen balance equation I came across this concept of Net Nitrogen Utilization and it seems like whey/milk/vegetable protein sources are not absorbed nearly as well as eggs/meat.

pic related

Reason I ask is because I know you've mentioned in the past that you use casein and whey powders but just wondering the degree to which you rely on them over other sources when you're mentally trying to balance that equation.

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I was thinking of going low carb higher fats when I start my tren/test cycle. I'm 200lbs 18% bodyfat, want to get into single digits. Was thinking
>300g Protein
>25g Fats
>50g Carbs
1625 calories. Seems low but I just wanna get shredded and the anabolics should preserve muscle/strength, surely?

>>42618718
What about to preserve muscle though during cutting?

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>>42619110

I don't really eat much fruit. I love bananas, but they're not often in the house, so I don't even eat those much.

>>42619125

Good idea. I'll probably start bringing my favorite intra/post workout drink to the gym... Protein powder, ovaltine, and milk (1% in this case, for less fats).

I could also make a bunch of rice and add that after workouts. I have like... 20-30 pounds of Nishiki for some reason.

I'm tight on funds right now (just graduated college and haven't gotten a job yet, still living at home), so I kind of have to make do with what's in the house.

>>42619179
powders should never replace real food

theyre convenient on days when you dont have time/resources to eat properly, thats it

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/comments/2szyez/harsh_roidaways_first_cycle_report/

what the fuck?
this guy ate 1700-1800 calories, gained 26 lbs and lost fat?

>>42619295
He's probably like 4ft tall

My arimidex came in 1mg capsules. How do I dose this? Once every 3-4 days?

Test E 500 btw

>>42619355
he's 6'3

>>42619384
Cut them in half mate. Arimidex has a half life of roughly 2 days so every 3-4 days would be pointless. You'd know this if you did proper research.

>>42619355
try read

>>42615110
>>42616001
>>42616022
Not the anon you think I am. I'll pin twice starting next week, but as for length and dosage what are your opinions?

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I also ate chips, and I feel better now.

>>42619295

All of his numbers look fucky, to be honest.

>>42619422
>going to reddit
I'll leave that to you guys

>>42619146
>22 years old
Show's over buddy.

What's worse for you, clen or meth?

>>42618454
Are compound lifts plus isolation okay?

My arms are stupidly shitty so if I stop doing compounds I feel they'll skyrocket but I don't want to just drop them indefinitely.

>>42619557
I feel like if you ignored all the addictive properties of meth and could say, okay, 2 weeks of meth vs 2 weeks of clen, in a vacuum, clen would be worse.

but you most likely can't just do 2 weeks of meth and you'll go down a real shit path

>>42619188
what about it?

>>42619691
just do a regular program m8, it's not fucking rocket surgery

if you want bigger arms, focus a bit more on arms, shit

>>42619747
Is more than 1g of protein per lb required?
My logic is that in a calorie deficit the body might try to use the protein I eat for energy.

>>42619786
you'll be fine on 1g/lb

Are you guys on roids for the rest of your life, or can you get back to normal again?

>>42618400
>browsing fraud just reminded me i didnt pin for 4 days aye lmao

ah for fucks sake.

>>42619808
With proper PCT and stuff during your cycle, you can go back to being normal if you want. Usually thats a way to go if you just want gains faster and know how to maintain.

Most choose to blast and cruise, which is (arguably) a lifelong commitment, since if you finally want to go off B&C for years, you'll likely need medical help. Not really talked about going off when B&C'ing though, since, well, people don't really go off.

>>42619794
Thanks bruddeh

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Bought the wrong size drawing needles.

Lmao look at this shit.

>>42619909
jesus, what the hell is happening with that needle

2 inches?

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FUCK PIP

how much protein do you eat?

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>>42619909

>>42619992
As much as I need to.
I go for my macros but also add a bit.

>>42619992
200g+

>>42619917
2.3 inches to be exact.

60mm.

>>42620034
>60mm.
christ

>>42619808
Yeah it's kinda fucked isn't it. A lot of these guys probably went into it thinking they'll just do a 16 week cycle or something and then ended up staying on indefinitely because fuck it.

It's not a huge deal, honestly. If and when they do decide to come off for whatever reason, and assuming they aren't much older than 30, they will probably be able to restore most of their balls functionality through some hardcore medical intervention (intense drug regiment for a few months followed by a long ass period of waiting)

But yeah, it's kind of a lifelong commitment if you want to be swole 24/7. Even the more responsible dudes just cruise (meaning they run a low dose) which is still suppressive but let's other parts of their body recover

>>42619871
>>42620053
Hm, I was thinking of just going with a low dose if that would be easier to get off of, but I also live in Japan so I imagine it would be almost impossible.

>>42620335
>but I also live in Japan so I imagine it would be almost impossible.
Why? afaik possession and use of sterons is legal and you can import 2 months worth for personal use. Can't import needles though

>girl keeps on using machine next to me
>for 2 hours
>say ok there's no way this is coincidental
>was going to talk to her on the way out
>go into locker room
>come out, shes gone
Just got on a new machine too
No way thats coincidence


And now Im looking up tranny hookers
Lifes funny like that

>>42618723
Damn I came to shitpost but you niggas real

>>42620434
how much are tranny hookers?

>>42620448
160 to 400, average about 240

>>42620453
better off jackin to lolis desu

>>42620453
thats a lot, for 30 seconds

>>42620434
I'm trying to get these assholes big and all they wanna do is vainpost and minmax.

just pinned 100mg of smooth legit dhb feels good mayne.

Im going to pin test in one cheek and eq in the other
Theres no way I messed up eq that bad

>>42620479
Jackin off to lolis doesnt fill your throbbing boipussy though

>>42620483
I cant finish so I get the hour
Plus ive been offered free sessions
But it is expensive

>>42620484
You can lead a horse to eq but you cant make it drink

>>42620484

I appreciate you, bimbo. I'm really glad you're coming around again to drop some knowledge on us.

My PIP is so fucking bad it hurts just sitting there

I'm not even moving

Just existing limp it hurts

>>42620389
Yeah, I think using/having the needles is still quite illegal.

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Is this good shit bros?

>>42620790
That's pretty cool man. What brand? I don't recognize the logo

>>42620797
Its legal and prescription, I just pick it up from the pharmacy every so often so I'm not too sure

>>42620790
seems good m8

>>42620811
Surely it says on the box or label doesn't it? Either way that's cool as fuck and you're lucky as shit that you have access to that. The rest of us are resigned to ordering bath tub brewed bullshit from a colorful Chinese animal hoping we don't get an abscess because Jin Ping ling ting tong bongakong didn't feel like washing his hands one day

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>>42620790
>200mg/ml

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>>42620811
>Its legal and prescription

Nah brah, stuff isn't legit until you buy it from a fat Mexican brewed up fresh in his bathtub.

>>42620843
yeah that may be true, but at least you guys were born with functioning testicles and no gynocomastia for 15 years lel.

Tbh i think its a good trade off

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>>42620790

>USP grade test

>>42620989
>but at least you guys were born with functioning testicles and no gynocomastia for 15 years lel.

not me senpai
>gyno
>.4 points above low T
>doc says get fucked, it's still in the normal range, it's perfectly fine

In hindsight I probably should have gone to a different doc

I really wonder if my eq is eq
This cut I have is really bleeding and my blood is hardly black
I expected chocolate pudding blood

>>42621070
Nah docs are all retards

>>42616685
Fuck, idk where the Hell you found 3303, that shit is the unicorn of sarms.

I'm on LGD-4033, I paid like $50 a pop so that's not wrong. Some sites just overcharge like crazy because they have the shills to spread dis-info and scare people into using them.

>>42616159
why the fuck are you taking this

About to start cycle but i can't seem to find these answers on the internet.

1- I read a lot about how muscle cells get conditioning and get bigger and stronger after using steroids even after stop using them, is this true?
2- Really how smalls can your balls get? any problem with sperm count?
3- How often do you check your liver and other lab tests?

>>42617812
500mg test/w with 90kg bench reporting in.

My body has changed so fucking fast its unreal. Should have went natty but am immature fucking no patience having bitch.

>>42622066
Have you tried looking for longer than 30 seconds? All of those are discussed all the time.

On my first 500mg test cycle and literally all I want to do is eat and lift. Is 6 days lifting in a row too much?

>>42622374
How should we know?

Listen to your body

>>42614906
Despite Jeff Seid's steroid use possible he is right. A man who uses steroids to get bigger is no man at all.

>>42622404
That crazy talk. The man needs a routine which tells him specific exercises, sets, days of off, sleep schedule, dietary plan to gain mass.
You can just go into the gym and challenge your muscle with whatever ever exercise takes your fancy, eat clean food when your hungry and take a day of when your saw or tired.... fucken crazy talk.

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I know this shit gets debated a lot, but I'm trying to plan ahead.

Height: 6'1"

Age: 23

I'm planning to run my first cycle once I hit 190 @ ~11.5% body fat.
I'm thinking 250mg of Test-E E3D for 15 weeks with Aromasin on hand. Then a two week break, followed by 4 weeks of PCT: 40/40/20/20 Nolva.

Diet-wise I plan to eat to gain roughly 1.3 lbs per week eating 1.5g protein/lb LBM, to gain a total of 20 lbs. I've estimated this will get me to ~208 lbs @ ~12.5% bf

Routine will probably be just 5/3/1 w/accessories and cardio on off-days.

I have planned to get Hormone with Lipids blood tests one week prior, during week 10, and one week after PCT.

Is this a good, safe, and efficient cycle?

I have considered suicide for about a half decade and have decided to go through with it next year. Before I go I want to go on a large steroid stack to see what I could look like. Would my life improve if I went on a 500mg test stack? I've only been lifting for about 1 and a half years and am at 1.5/2.5/3/4 for 1x5 currently. (215lbs 6'3")

>>42622404
>>42622529

If I listened to my body I would just eat and lift constantly. I've lifted 5x week for 5 years and was just wondering if people upped their frequency on low doses of juice.

>>42622633
Well if you feel that good up your frequency or either your intensity on the 5 current days. I did two a days for a long time but it was like arms AM then hamstrings PM.
Despite 500 not being a "high" dose you will go a long way with it in terms of the workload you can handle

Anybody get limp dick from high e? How long should it take to feel better with asin? Bumped it up by .5 EOD and at 30mg for the past couple days with no improvement. Wondering if I may be raising it too fast.

>>42622622
Do it.

>been lifting for 6 weeks
>decide to buy gear
>bought test e+dbol stack
>also clen to lean up and lean bulk afterwards
>My body has changed a shit ton in a week

wew lads,steroids are STRONG

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>>42623187
>My body has changed a shit ton in a week

>>42623196
Yeah,my protein intake is on point and i'm fasting mainly to lose weight so the results are dramatic

It's not that i got huge,my body composition just got completely different

>>42623187
>just jump right into using steroids

not gonna ever regret that :^)

CTRL F "rich"

>no results

i wonder why :^)

GOD HATES /fraud/

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FUCKKKKKKKK PAINAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOO!!!

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>>42623187

>clen

Recommend me some stims. Currently taking a yohimbine/dmaa/caffeine stack, but it's effects are diminishing.

>>42623857

ephedrine

>>42623967
Yeah, might have to get on that again, had 3 months of no EC, so it should hit me pretty hard now. I know it's not a stim, but is meldonium any good pwo?

>>42623857
Amphetamine

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>>42624132

>>42623857
on the topic of stims, how is ritalin for studying?

>>42624160
Adderall and ritalin are both supposed to be good for studying. Shame I can't get either over here

>>42622066
>1- I read a lot about how muscle cells get conditioning and get bigger and stronger after using steroids even after stop using them, is this true?
if you stop doing steroids you will keep growing no matter what, you can't stop that once you go fraud

>2- Really how smalls can your balls get? any problem with sperm count?
while on gear your balls are getting smaller each day to the point where they dissapear compeletly

>3- How often do you check your liver and other lab tests?
every day before bed

>>42623187
What if i tell you this is all placebo and delusion? If anything, you only got bloated. Even on steroids it takes a lot of time to build muscle but this is not what newfags want to hear.

>>42624258
This, You didn't build shit in a week, kek

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When will you faggots learn

How many of you need to die before you stop injecting yourself with that shit?

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>>42624347
inject to pay respec

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>>42624376
injected twice

>>42624347
He was use and abusing* more than gear.

*this is the key part here tardo

>>42619455
16 weeks, better yet 20.

250mg twice a week

>>42623624
what happened to him. tell me

>>42624347
I injected 2ml test e 3 hours ago fuck off

nouveau:

>>42625093
>>42625093
>>42625093

I really want Rich Papaya to get well

>>42624347
Didn't he trip on the street and hit the back of his head on the asphalt?