>people will argue this is healthy

>>42611256
post body and your lifts before you encourage your diet

>>42611268
this

>>42611268
One of two things would happen.

1. lol dyel
2. lol steroids

>>42611256
Yes it is reasonable. Why would it not be?

>>42611292
>drinking pus-filled cow secretions

This is reasonable?

>>42611321
It's fucking delicious and healthy. Why are you such a cuck?

>>42611342
>healthy

According to whom?

>>42611353
Everyone? It's packed with vitamins and minerals healthy fats. Then again I am from Sweden so anything we make is automatically better, but still.

>>42611256
jokes on you, I actually drink my wife's milk everynow and then

it doesn't tastes bad, but it's a strong flavour

>>42611371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxnBDDqXSjk

>saturate fat
>healthy

Ketard?

>>42611382
sounds fucking sick, bro, why do you do it?

>>42611429
I really like to play with her breast, sometimes small drops of milk come and I lick them.

>>42611256
Might have something to do with the fact that we drink it after it's been treated and packaged rather than directly from the teats of cattle.

>>42611471
>drinking processed cow secretions full of pus and hormones
>not drinking plant milks

>>42611417
sat fat is one of the most crucial elements to producing testosterone, which is essential for health and performance.

>>42611483
>not drinking both
>being vegan, ever

Idont give a fuck about animals.

>>42611353
>whom
Kill yourself

>>42611498
https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/

>>42611512
>not knowing English
>current year

>>42611514
>Being Shakespeare's bitch
>Current year

I've started putting whip cream on top of my daily glass of chocolate milk. It's good.

>>42611522
Why did I just laugh so hard

>>42611522
>he doesn't have green smoothies consisting of leafy greens, berries, frozen bananas, dates, flax seeds, chia seeds, turmeric, and black pepper

not gonna be optimal

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>>42611522

>>42611268
amazing! no response to this yet immediate reply to >>42611292
op confirmed for full of shit as per usual

>>42611483
>le pus meme

Lmao is this supposed to turn people off it?

>>42611483

Why don't you just drink your boyfriend's semen, you faggot? More protein than your plant "milk".

>>42611483
>plant milks somehow are not processed even though that is the only way to make it into milk.

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>>42611513
>https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/
>nutritionfacts.org

I could not find a guy that is both more less masculine and more jewish than this veggan faggot.

its no secret that animal products are bad for you, the only reason to not go vegan is literally just social norms and laziness which i admit is why im still not vegan

enjoy nogainz milk drinkers

>>42611818
I don't want to drink pus.

>>42611851
not an argument

>>42611854
not even close to being the same

>>42611858
not an argument

Vegans have higher testosterone.

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>>42611256

>>42611869
>Vegans have higher testosterone
So tell me again why most vegan men look like low test trash?

>>42611885
Most vegan men don't life. There are plenty of vegan bodybuilders on YouTube.

Why are most meat eaters fat fucks that'll die in their 60s?

>>42611342
>Calling someone who believes the dairy industries lies a cuck

>>42611869
haha now we see why this guy is so annoying lol
HES A VEGAn

>>42611869
>Vegans have higher testosterone.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/542648-can-a-vegan-diet-lower-testosterone-levels/

>diet literally needs careful nutrition managment to avoid lowering testosterone
>vegans claim it increases testosterone.


No, mong, vegans need to be carefull as fuck about their nutrition, hence average healthy vegan will be better than the average person.
But anybody who puts as much thought into nutrition, but is not a meme-dieter, will have higher testosterone than a vegan.

>>42611513
Just made sure I read the cited sources to make sure you weren't shitting me, and would you look at that, you are shitting me.

Without even reading further into the studies none of the increased testosterone is bioavalible so it's fucking nothing.

And what do you know, decreasing fat consumption decreased meaningful testosterone production.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15741266
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8942407

>>42611905
>careful nutrition management

If eating meat magically gave you perfect nutrition then why do so many people take vitamins?

Meanwhile meat eaters are dying of heart disease left and right.

>>42611342
>healthy
it's not. you can find studies that link it to a higher chance of developing cancer, along with a lot of other digestive issues

>>42611869
>Not even close to being the same

Except you are the retard that implied something is automatically bad if it's "processed." Almost all vegan food is processed. You cannot have your cake and eat it too retard. Either get specific about why a process is bad IE pasteurization or admit that almost all vegan food is bad because it is processed.

>>42611934
I never made that argument.

>>42611920
>Why do so many people take vitamins

Propaganda by the supplement industry.

>>42611939
>drinking processed cow secretions full of pus and hormones

That vegan diet making your memory 10 seconds long champ?

>>42611945
Or maybe because their poorly planned diets don't offer sufficient nutrition.

>>42611955
Soaking and straining nuts

wow

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>>42611893
You mean like Vegan "took 10 years to bench 185" Gains?

>>42611973
>too stupid to do a search on YouTube

/fit/ brainlets...

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>>42611256
>not drinking the perfect gains food
cmon.jpeg

>>42611926
>how I know you aren't a scientist
You can cherry pick scientific studys to say just about anything you want about anything. Im not saying you are wrong but the science just isn't there. nutrition is extremely hard to study, its almost impossible to design good double blinds and giant longitudinal studies are expensive and a pain in the ass. Dont just read a couple articles that confirm your beliefs and take it as gospel. Dont be a sheep.

>>42611956
Or, and this might shock you, most people are actually risking their health by taking these things because like you they don't understand how reality works and assume they are nutritionally deficient for no reason.

https://greatist.com/grow/why-you-dont-need-a-multivitamin

Most people, and it sounds like you are included, don't realize how little vitamins you need a day. It's almost impossible not to get them all even if you have a shit diet eating Burger King all day.

>>42611321
>>42611483
>>42611869

>drinking processed cow secretions full of pus and hormones

No matter how many times you keep parroting that phrase from you favorite vegan blogs, it wont change the fact that cow's milk is incredibly nutritious and has been a staple food in western diets for millennia. Your trendy vegan diet wont change that.

>>42611972
I never implied there was anything wrong with the processing of plant milks just like I'm not a retard who thinks there is anything wrong with pasteurization.

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>>42612006
>drinking cow milk
>2017

>>42611999
>If you eat a diet full of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, there’s a good chance you already reach your suggested daily intake. And even if you eat a less-than-stellar diet, many types of processed foods are fortified with vitamins and minerals.

lul

>>42612007
>pasteurizing cow milk to drink because you were brainwashed to do so before birth

brb drinking a dirty animal's milk as an adult human

>>42612006
>it wont change the fact that cow's milk is incredibly nutritious

source?

>>42612011
Wonder if I can find a cute new mother who wants to make a few extra bucks.

Would have her ride my dick while i suckle on her full tits. Drain my balls in her while I drain her tits...

I think I have something to add to the top of my bucket list.

>>42612021
>pasteurizing cow milk to drink because you were brainwashed to do so before birth

What are you even saying?

You might as well be typing

>Boiling foods because you were brainwashed to do so before birth

brb eating dirty vegetables as an adult human

What are you even implying you fucking idiot.


>Source

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/69/2

If you are not lactose intolerant this is amazing.

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>>42611869
No they don't and greger is a muscle wasted faggot.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

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>ok son time for your milk

>>42611916
>no response

>>42611321
>>42611353
>>42611417
>>42611483
>>42611513
>>42611569
>>42611869
>>42611893
>>42611896
>>42612011
>>42611985
Respond to this>>42611268

Post a cbt with timestamp or shut the fuck up and get the fuck off this website.

>>42611869
>Not an argument
>Ignores my sources here >>42611916

>>42612006
It was a fringe thing in india, and around denmark. It was considered taboo in most other places until denmark merchants started to shill out their farming practices to other people in the west. I would say about 300-400 years or so. Its not an age old tradition. Milk didn't go full on shillforce 1 until science started to break it apart in the 1920s.

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>>42611513
yes goy eat your vegetables to increase testosterone. Also, make sure to use BPA infused cups for your almond milk.

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Reeee! delete this counter shills

>>42612878
>durr hurr calories and fat are bad
did a woman make this?

>>42611256
Out of context, everything can be made to seem unhealthy. Flying in planes?! Staring at screens all day?
>"Our neanderthal ancestors didn't have screens therefore it's unhealthy"

>>42612905
Must be. Anyone who cares about their bloodwork knows that dietary cholesterol is essential in the creation of testosterone.
Your diet can greatly affect your T.
Simple stuff.

>>42612937
>thinking any excess of cholesterol gets turned into test
bro science at work here

>>42612983
>Worrying about eating too much cholesterol
mom science at work here

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>>42611342
>It's fucking delicious
no
>healthy
enjoy your estrogen, cholesterol and trans-fats

>>42613160
Cholesterol isn't bad for you. Don't be a retard.

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>>42612209
No goy, eat lots of meat, eggs and cheese and drink lots of milk instead of eating your fruits and vegetables to get your vitamins. I'm the good guy goyim! Don't fall for the vegan lobbyists, also make sure to buy my multivitamins and statins!

>>42613183
What's with you faggots that it's constantly one or the other?
Eat both.
>hehe I'm such a carnivore
is just as annoying as
>hey guise vegan here!
There is such a thing as consuming meat, eggs, and dairy, while also eating your veg.

>>42611483
>imlying anyone in the world would waste money on hormones (which are expensive) on fucking cow milk
>implying milk isn't sanitized before getting packed
>implying i wouldn't want free hormones with my proteins
>implying i wouldn't want some pus to make my immunologic and digestic system better

>implying meat eaters doesn't eat the exact same thing as vegans but with meat on the side
why millennials ruin everything? can't say offensive jokes anymore, can't eat meat, can't be thin.
fuck you millennial scum

>>42613197
>Eat both.
By consuming animal products you're also increasing your trans-fat intake by a lot, why would you want that?

For example, 100g of skinless chicken breast has 0.09 grams of trans-fats, that's 9 times more than a proper vegan diet will consume in an entire day. Drink a single cup of reduced fat milk on a day and you're already up to 0.207g. Maybe eat an egg for that 164mg of cholesterol that you desperately need. Never mind the fact that animal products don't have a lot of minerals and vitamins in them while being high in calories and fat.

>>42611920
>Meanwhile meat eaters are dying of heart disease left and right.
you meant obese people that also eat meat
people take vitamins because they're stupid, most people that eat couple veggies and fruit or even fruit juice (natural not that american bullshit juice) has all their vitamins on point

>>42613225
>can't eat meat
There's literally no rational reason to eat meat and you don't need to be a pot smoking SJW millennial hippie to realize this.

>>42613237
Even people that appear healthy die from heart disease. Just because you have a low body fat percentage and have some muscle, doesn't mean you're healthy.

>>42613228
Then eat salmon you fucking priss.

>>42613244
>There's literally no rational reason to eat meat and you don't need to be a pot smoking SJW millennial hippie to realize this.
you don't want to see it as rational, but whatever
>more protein per gram
>easy and quick to make while tasting good and having great texture
>cheap

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There is really no reason to not consume dairy, even if you are lactose intolerant.

If you are lactose intolerant, just eat yogurt or cheese. Milk has a lot of traces of different hormones, and they're ALL in tiny barely detectable ammounts, and even in the ammounts that they're found in they do not affect human hormonal levels in any possible metric.

10 liters of processed WHOLE MILK contain less than 1% of the estrogen metabolites TEENAGE BOYS PRODUCE IN A DAY.
And not all of it is bioavailable either, meaning most of it is destroyed by the stomach or liver.
The only way you can orally affect your hormones is by taking pill drugs that are able to go past through your digestive system mostly intact.

IGF-1 found in milk is in such tiny ammounts(yes, even in "processed" regular milk) that it has no effects even in babies, and that is because human milk has the same traces of igf-1 as even the worst possible quality cow fatty milk.

Plus, igf-1 is heavily influenced by protein and amino acid intake, in fact soy protein has been found to spike IGF-1 in humans more than any other type of protein except maybe whey.

In some studies human milk has been shown to have dozens of times more estrogen metabolites than cow milk, but it STILL doesn't change hormonal balance in humans.

>>42613228
Also
>muh natural transfats are the same as introduced transfats
C'mon guy

>>42613244
>There's literally no rational reason to eat meat and you don't need to be a pot smoking SJW millennial hippie to realize this.
and not every meateater is a diabetic obese american sweaty guy. my diet is basically a vegan diet, but with a chicken breast or a steak on the side

>>42613263
Filled with cholesterol and fat soluble toxins like methylmercury, HCBs, PCBs and pesticides, no thanks.

>>42613267
>more protein per gram
More protein with an amino acid profile that will directly feed cancer cells.
>easy and quick to make while tasting good and having great texture
And if you don't thoroughly cook your chicken you will get salmonella.
>cheap
Because you totally want to eat those chickens that are being fed antibiotics, right?

>>42613289
Something being natural doesn't make it healthy. Cannibalism is natural, but I don't see meat eaters going out to kill and eat humans.

>>42613292
That chicken breast and steak on the side will still increase your risk for heart disease thanks to the presence of cholesterol, saturated fats and trans-fats. Not to mention the fact that they're high in methionine and heme-iron.

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>>42611256

I will say that there is less of a reason to eat meat, that there is to eat dairy.

Dairy protein is very high quality, specially the whey/casein blend in cow's/goat's milk, it is superior to any kind of animal meat available, and it can be "skimmed" to become virtually fatless while retaining the exact same ammount of protein and amino acids.

Also, about the "pus" found in milk, it's not actually pus, it's called white cells, which have obvious benefits to human health.

t. vegan

>>42613289
>natural cobra poison is better than man made lethal injections, not like it kills you, right?

>>42613332
What can you tell us about the phyto's in soy milk/soy drink, anon?

>>42613314
>More protein with an amino acid profile that will directly feed cancer cells.
memed
>And if you don't thoroughly cook your chicken you will get salmonella.
yes, you can get but i know how to cook.
>Because you totally want to eat those chickens that are being fed antibiotics, right?
implying the antibiotics are still effective or even on the body after they get killed, their organs are removed and they're cooked. Hormones and any medicine don't work like that, you need to store them carefully or they will become ineffective

>>42613228
Trans-fat is not bad for you as long as it is not excessive.

>>42613314
Cholesterol isn't bad for you double nigger.
>>42613314
>>42613336
Trans fats and artificial trans fatty acids are objectively different. I shouldn't have to walk you through this.
Trans fats naturally occurring in various animal products are not the same as partially hydrogenated frying oil created by an industrial process.

>>42613367
>Trans fats and artificial trans fatty acids are objectively different.
Why?
>I shouldn't have to walk you through this.
I'm not a biology major or something, I'm not expected to know jack
>Trans fats naturally occurring in various animal products are not the same as partially hydrogenated frying oil created by an industrial process.
How? Is the molecule different?
>>42613367
>Cholesterol isn't bad for you double nigger.
Not him, but why? Literally every single doctor says it's the only reason for plaque buildup in the arteries which causes heart disease, stroce, diabetes etc

>>42613352
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16898864
>implying the antibiotics are still effective or even on the body after they get killed, their organs are removed and they're cooked. Hormones and any medicine don't work like that, you need to store them carefully or they will become ineffective
While some of them may be destroyed, not all of them will be destroyed by improper storage.
>what is biomagnification
>>42613364
>Trans-fat is not bad for you as long as it is not excessive.
Proof? All the research says otherwise.

>>42613367
>Cholesterol isn't bad for you double nigger.
Proof?
>Trans fats and artificial trans fatty acids are objectively different.
Different yes, but they are still bad for your health.
>This meta-analysis suggests that CLA supplementation is associated with an increase in plasma CRP concentrations and a reduction in serum adiponectin concentrations, which indicates that CLA supplements have a pro-inflammatory effect.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28556504
>significantly greater vaccenic acid (VA) (+12.5) concentrations, were found in the OFC of SZ patients relative to normal controls
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17236749

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>>42613344

Mammalian estrogen metabolites found in trace ammounts in cow's milk are in such low number that even if they were all bioavailable it would still not affect hormone balance even in human babies.
For god's sake, estrogen metabolites in cow's WHOLE REGULAR MILK are counted in the fucking picograms(thousands of times smaller than nano grams, nano grams are thousands of times smaller than micro grams, micro grams are thousands of times smaller than miligrams).

Plant foods like soy and its derivatives have huge ammounts of estrogen like compounds which are indeed weaker than mammalian estrogens, but they are in such a disproportional ammounts that they have an actual noticeable effect in human hormones if taken in enough ammounts.
Most of it destroyed by the liver and stomach, but some of it does get into your bloodstream, and that is a problem.

Even the most militant vegans will tell you that you shouldn't get most of your protein from soy for health reasons.
There is no such issue when it comes to protein derived from dairy, even from its fattest source(estrogen metabolites seem to be more concentrated in the fat portion of cow secretions).

>>42613417
>While some of them may be destroyed, not all of them will be destroyed by improper storage.
i bet any hormone or antibiotics would survive being cooked though, also its pretty unbelievable that you'd buy antibiotics and hormones to treat a chicken while you'll sell the chicken for lot less than the cost of the antibiotics and hormones you used on them

>>42613401
Not them but I can help.
Transfats in animals are so minute that the benefits of consuming the animal product outweigh any potential negative. On a 2000 kcal diet you can consume up to 2g of transfats, if most are naturally occuring trace fats, then as the University of Berkeley says they should not be a concern because the "amounts are so low that they don't even show up on nutrition labels."
As for whether they are the same or have even the same effect, the verdict is still out. Here's a quote from the AHS: "Small amounts of trans fats occur naturally in some meat and dairy products, including beef, lamb and butterfat. There have not been sufficient studies to determine whether these naturally occurring trans fats have the same bad effects on cholesterol levels as trans fats that have been industrially manufactured."
>Cholesterol isn't bad for you
They're right about that one.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/cholesterol/

>>42613420
>Plant foods like soy and its derivatives have huge ammounts of estrogen like compounds which are indeed weaker than mammalian estrogens,
These compounds may not necessarily be biologically active in humans.
>but they are in such a disproportional ammounts that they have an actual noticeable effect in human hormones if taken in enough ammounts.
Proof?
>Most of it destroyed by the liver and stomach, but some of it does get into your bloodstream, and that is a problem.
Once again, do you have any proof? Research seems to indicate otherwise.

>There is a substantial reduction in breast-cancer risk among women with a high intake (as measured by excretion) of phyto-oestrogens-particularly the isoflavonic phyto-oestrogen equol and the lignan enterolactone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9329514
>At high concentrations, genistein inhibited tumor growth and enhanced the effect of tamoxifen in vitro.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11573864

>There is no such issue when it comes to protein derived from dairy, even from its fattest source(estrogen metabolites seem to be more concentrated in the fat portion of cow secretions).
No, but animal sources of protein have other problems like increased cholesterol, saturated fat and trans-fat content.

>>42611321

Sometimes it's hard to tell if vegans care about animals or are just completely disgusted by them.

>>42613466
>Transfats in animals are so minute that the benefits of consuming the animal product outweigh any potential negative. On a 2000 kcal diet you can consume up to 2g of transfats, if most are naturally occuring trace fats, then as the University of Berkeley says they should not be a concern because the "amounts are so low that they don't even show up on nutrition labels."
Yet cardiovascular disease is the number one killer in western society and your risk for cardiovascular disease goes up as your trans-fat intake goes up.

The whole thing about milk production I don't get, how come the cow has to give birth every year? Is that true?
Because in humans, women can breast feed for YEARS with no problems. Like, off a single pregnancy.

It just seems crazy inefficient to have a cow go through pregnancy and then have a calf to dispose of every single year. Why are we drinking milk off these chumps in the first place?

It's really hard to find answers for this since the only people who talk about this are insane vegans or farmers who obviously have a dog in the fight.

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>>42613491
>These compounds may not necessarily be biologically active in humans.

They are, just not very much, but all it takes is something like 10% of it to bioavailable, for it to cause an effect in real life situations in humans.

8 oz of soy milk has around 30000 nano grams of estrogen like compounds, even if only 10%(which seems to be an accurate number according to the little research done on the topic) of it gets to the blood stream, all it tkaes is around 1 liter of soy milk or equivalent in phytoestrogens for your hormones to be noticeably affected.
The study single studied case of gyno and high estrogen caused by soy intake shows that around 3.3 liters of soy milk or whatever food in its equivalent ammount of phytoestrogens is enough to seriosuly impact human hormonal balance.

Keep in mind, 3 liters of soy milk is little above 100g of soy protein.
Meaning that if you are eating anything more than 100g of soy protein a day, everyday, your estrogen levels will surely skyrocket.

>>42613497
I love my girlfriend, but I wouldn't eat her zits.

>>42613580

Would you let your kid breastfeed?

>>42613594
Yes, obviously.
>Ha! Gotcha! You'd feed your kid pus too, you hypocrite!
Would you breastfeed at your current age if your mom was lactating?

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>>42613491
>No, but animal sources of protein have other problems like increased cholesterol, saturated fat and trans-fat content.

This is just wrong, skimmed milk, low fat yogurt have mere traces of saturated fat and cholesterol, and in most cases exactly nill transfats.

There are more transfats and saturated fats in a table spoon of peanut butter than there are in in a liter of cow skim milk.

And a liter of skim milk has around 15-20mg of cholesterol.

>>42613625
That's still more than you would get if you didn't consume it at all.

And I do not advocate for the consumption of peanut butter.

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>>42611256
plants:
-literally grow on shit and chemical fertilizers (there is a lot of ammonia there! same as urine! YUCK!)
-Its covered in pesticides WHICH IS BAD MKAY

>people will argue this is healthy

See? I can do it as well.

Just Hemmingway urself limp wristed faggot.

>>42611893
Even the Vegans who lift have low test, aside from like Jon Venus and a few more obvious fake nattys

>>42613708

I am vegan but I find it very difficult to get any good ammount of protein on a diet that isn't loaded with too many calories or overdosing ammounts of folate or fiber.
I know that vegan diet is healthier overall, but if you're looking to have a long life and still make gains, you are gonna have to supplement with protein powders as a vegan in order to compete with non vegans. That's a major turn off for me, I just wanna eat and not worry about my fucking micros and macros like I used to before I was vegan.

There's the whole issue of genome mutations preventing people from absorbing certain nutrients from plant food like most legumes and some grains, certain people having chronic diarrhea from eating plant foods, people who simply respond badly to even moderate fiber intakes, and people who literally need to overdose on certain nutrients which are hard to come by on a vegan diet.
A good ammount of people are sensitive to legumes, meaning they have problems digesting and abosrbing nutrients from legumes, which can also impact digestion and absorption of other foods as well.

Worst of all these things are hard to determine or detect or diagnose unless you actively look for them yourself. I went through may up to this month and I seriously am planning on quitting because I have constant everyday diarrhea, weight loss, strength loss, and I can barely afford quality food that isn't fucking processed soy burgers.

It feels bad to admit it, I gave it a honest try from day one, and I still suffer the same issues I did when I started, it does NOT get better.

>>42613620

Does it magically become not pus when I get awkwardly old?

>>42613796
You also miss out on a lot of amino acids only found in meat like L-carnitine and creatine, then we have the fact that most meat is rich in zinc, you can find zinc in plants to mind you but not to the same extent as in meat. You can still make gains and keep your test high as a vegan, but like you said it's gonna be a bitch and really expensive at that due to how many different supplements you have to buy.

>>42613815
You're dodging the question, I answered yours.
Would you breastfeed your 60-year old mother after she just had sex with your dad, just for a quick cup of milk before work, yes or no.

>>42613796
Less rice pasta and potatoes, more legumes
>>42613836
>L-carnitine
Not essential
>creatine
Not essential
Not an amino acid
Eating meat is also inefficient, you need 1 kg beef or 2 kg chicken for the equivalent of a scoop creatine.
>Zinc
200 g lentils and 100 g oats are 100% RDA zinc and only like 1100 kcal. You can cover your nutrient needs in less than 1500 kcal and eat the rest in junk food
>So many supplements
You only need B12 (only if you don't eat any fortified products like soy milk or nutritional yeast), D3 (only in snownigger countries) and DHA/EPA (only if you get less than 6000 mg ALA per day, which can be found in a single tablespoon canola or flax oil, which will result in less than 1000 mg total EPA and DHA converted)
So it's a grand total of 3 supplements, which you'll only need if you don't watch what you eat. But this is /fit/, so I'll assume you do

>>42613843

I would breastfeed the mother of someone else.

>>42613903
>D3 (only in snownigger countries)
As a snownigger I'm offended

>>42613903
Like I said previously, I can't eat legumes, anything more than 100g of peas is enough to cause me diarrhea(100g of peas have 5g of protein).
I used to eat lots of lentils for protein before, it caused me to have diarrhea 3x a day. So I've stopped eating them.
I've substituted them with kidney beans, which cause me less diarrhea, but give me stomach pains and massive gas and bloat.
I've tried soaking them for days before rinsing and cooking, with different types of beans, still have the same issue.
Potatoes cause me little problems, rice and pasta give me 0 problems, but they're nutritionally inadequate for someone looking to maximize performance and isn't willing to get fat. (100g of protein from rice requires at least an intake of 5000 calories).

It's just a fucking mess for me, anything with soy also gives me problems, but I just "deal with it" because I have to eat the rest of what I bought for the month, after I'm done with it I'm just gonna start eating dairy again.

>>42614061
That's not normal, go see a doctor

>>42614090
I did, I wasn't diagnosed with any specific legume intolerance, but any kind of legumes has been shwon to cause a negative gastric effect on me, and as such the only way to treat this is to remove all legumes from my diet without exception.
I don't need to tell you how difficult it is to be vegan without any legumes.

>>42614210
You could bite the bullet and try to cut meat completely to let your gut bacteria adjust (if you don't have an intolerance that's what's probably causing your problems) but your own health comes before the animals so eat meat I guess

>>42613183
>instead of eating your fruits and vegetables to get your vitamins
>instead
Are you fucking stupid? You're implying that meat eaters don't eat vegetables. You know they're not mutually exclusive right?

>>42613561
classic cherrypicking.

Even the study itself said that this case is extremely unusual.

Meanwhile literally millions of Asians consume alot of soy every day and they live longer, have less heartdisease and cancer. Shouldnt the majority of asians have gyno?

So we have billions of humans vs. literally 1 guy.

And you conclude that soy causes hormonal imbalance in humans.

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Okay, after this thread I'm starting to think the vegans on /fit/ are just false flagging for the easy (you)s.

>>42611256
>mfw this wasnt a veganpost but a pro breast feeding post

>>42611371
More like anything you make is automatically more cuck.

>>42615021
mummy I want me milky

>>42614533
Hard to tell when they're mentally challenged from being nutrient deficient. I'm amazed how many people don't realize cooked meat is the only reason your brain has the modern cognitive capacities it does

>Stop drinking milk
>acne clears up in 2 week
>no more bacne
>digestion is better

hmmm

>>42612144
see >>42611278

You faggots can't accept that you can gain just as much muscle on a vegan diet.

>>42615200
b-b-but milk is healthy! My mommy told me so!

>>42611256
Neither are socially acceptable. You might be too young to remember, But that weird Tom green (think that's his name) made a random movie where drinking directly from a cow utter was advertised as being one of the "crazy" things he does. You're an idiot if you thought either of those was okay

>>42613561
an anecdote

LUL

>>42615200
You might be lactose intolerant. Not drinking milk throughout your life makes it worse, your body loses ability to process it. Plenty of people who arent though.

>>42615246
Most of the world is lactose intolerant.

Face it. It's a stupid habit. Humans don't need to be drinking cow milk.

You would probably get nauseous at the thought of drinking rat milk, right?

>>42615246
I could drink milk until my late teens without issue

>>42612119
Goal body right there, sign me up.

>>42615293
Most of the world population is genetically inferior shitskins, yes we know this.

>>42615209
post body then

>>42613903
>6000 mg ALA per day, which can be found in a single tablespoon
There is 1.2g of omega 3 in a tablespoon of canola oil

Why do you faggots insist on lying so much?


Also b12 supplementation increase risk of cancer.
Use of vitamin B6 and B12 from individual supplement sources, but not from multivitamins, was associated with a 30% to 40% increase in lung cancer risk among men. When the 10-year average supplement dose was evaluated, there was an almost two-fold increase in lung cancer risk among men in the highest categories of vitamin B6 (> 20 mg/d; hazard ratio, 1.82; 95% CI, 1.25 to 2.65) and B12 (> 55µg/d; hazard ratio, 1.98; 95% CI, 1.32 to 2.97) compared with nonusers

http://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/JCO.2017.72.7735

Enjoy your lung cancer faggots.

>>42612011
mommy

>>42611999
That's complete horse shit.
Not even vegans get the amount of vitamins in that your body can potentially use.

>>42611256
Bet if you were starving on some shithole you'd eat that fucking cow raw.

>>42611268

WTF..Why people here are so stupid? healthy dosen't mean you have a zyzz body. In fact its the opposite. Eating 5-6 meals a day and lifting heavy weights is pretty unhealthy. Not to mention the steroid abuse that going on in "fitness" industry

>>42611278

At the same time? You must look like a fucking cartoon!

>>42615200
I drink half a liter every day and never had acne, your genes are just shit

>>42613228
9 times nothing is still nothing

>>42611371
>Then again I am from Sweden so anything we make is automatically better, but still.
>SWEDEN
Nice shitpost, ahmed

>>42611256
>Islam is totally reasonable
I disagree.
halal veal is a disgusting concept.

>>42616477
from my point of view, milkis shit

>>42615604
>There is 1.2g of omega 3 in a tablespoon of canola oil
I said "OR FLAX". Flax oil is actually 7g omega 3, not 6g
>Why do you faggots insist on lying so much?
I didn't lie, you can't read
>b12 supplementation
More misdirection and lies. I said "nutritional yeast". Learn to read.

>>42611256
Why is anyone even arguing with this fucking retarded strawman? No one drinks directly out of a cow's udders. There's no reason to engage this.

>>42617244
I grew up on a farm and my sister and I would do this all the time while our dad was milking his cows. It was better than drinking cold milk from the fridge but maybe that's just because we were used to it. Dad would sometimes even put milk on our cereal directly from the cow's udder

>>42611371
Halal food is pretty healthy

>>42615293
I'm disgusted by the thought of eating fried insects, but plenty of people do that and it's totally normal where they live. It's just culture and tradition. If you can eat it and want to, what's the issue? Humans don't explicitly need to eat 90% of what we eat.

>>42617263
Case in point, this guy (unless he's bullshitting). I think it's fucking weird to drink right out of the udder, even though I'm fine with milk from the bottle. But if it's normal to him, whatever.

>>42617283
Whatever you say Muhammad

>>42613843
>You're dodging the question, I answered yours.
But you missed the point.

>>42616312
>lifting heavy weights and eating is unhealthy
LOL

>>42612011
I didn't know I had this fetish

>>42615501
I would post a picture of my body to prove you wrong, but I could be identified based on my scars (used to be involved with a fight club, stabbed multiple times) and my gang affiliated tattoos from when I spent 10 years in one of the toughest prisons in the country (I’m, probably, in the top priority list of the FBI right now).

I know your type, though. You think because you can squat and deadlift heavy that you're a big guy with an impressive physique. I have built plenty of muscle without those autistic lifts. You probably think you're superior because you follow the routines of a fat little redneck man with no real knowledge of building muscular or strength. You don’t know shit about muscles and strength if you have not trained the way I had, I literally learned from the best, and you got no shit on me, you fat autistic neckbeard.

>>42616312
Aaaaand its a DYEL

>>42611268
We can see here that these vegan shills wont show themselves and conclude that this post is gay and the OP is a fag

>>42611916
This. All the studies cited on that website are trash.

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>>42615021
>>42615134
>>42612011
Op here, this was the purpose of the thread. Sadly, degenerate vegans have turned it into a shitfest.

>>42619406

>copypasta is copypasta

If you want see the perfect huuuge uders of swedish, take a look.

Epitome of milky mommy

http://www.xvideos.com/video26694589/breastmilk_is_beautiful_~_40

>>42619603
holy shit where do I sign up

>>42611268
fpbp

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>'nother lisa simpson thread

>>42611864
Post body you little lmao

>>42612878
>300 calories
Is that a glass of heavy cream? Whole milk has like 160 calories per serving

>>42612878
>milk leeches calcium from your bones
If this was true I would have shattered all my bones by now with how much milk I drink.

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>Hey sweetie, you're still doing go mad, right?

>>42612878
>milk takes calcium away from bones
No it doesn't, that is fake science. No sources as usual

>>42611483
>implying plants have titties
That's what's unnatural.

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>>42616622
>I said "nutritional yeast
>yeast

>>42619261
exercising and eating healthy is unhealthy, don't you get it?

(you)

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>>42615293
>Most of the world is lactose intolerant.

Well, most of Native Europeans aren't, so am I.
I can drink milk and eat cheese without any gastric/skin problems, and while excesively eating diary is a burden for your gastric system, keffir and goat cheese is super safe and are a true godsend during cut, if you are lactose tolerant.

>Humans don't need to be drinking cow milk

Humans don't need to be drinking booze.
Humans don't need to be consuming pocessed, simple sugars.
Humans dont need to be drivng cars

What kind of retarded argument is this?

Fuck off vegan commies, I drink a quarter gallon a day. I drink 2%, should I start drinking whole milk instead?

>>42613536
>>42613536
Like humans, cows produce more milk than the calf needs, and dairy cows are bred to produce even more milk than a wild cow. I believe cows actually can produce milk indefinitely if they're on a milking machine, but once they stop lactating they have to have another calf before they start again. A lot of farmers let the cows chill for a few months in the winter, as they just can't get enough grass to support a bunch of lactating cows. Cows gestate for about 9 months and produce milk for about 10 after, so they must have a system for cycling the cows around. They take the calves away within the first few days of birth because leaving them for much longer creates a strong bond, and the mothers can get very stressed if they lose the calf at that point. This would be unnecessarily cruel, and also would cause the cow to produce less milk of lower quality. Seriously, try fresh milk from a local, ethical farmer and compare it to a factory-farmed brand and you can actually taste how the stress/diet/environment affects the flavor.

If the calf is female, the dairy farmer might raise her for milk. Males are usually sold for meat, but the most strapping get to be studs. Once a dairy cow gets too old/stops producing enough milk, they're also usually sold as low-quality meat (not steaks or anything, it's the wrong type of cow).

>>42622978
Well, non of those examples gurantees the suffering and death of a sentient being thats the difference buddy... Also it's pointless since it tastes the same or even worse then plant milks and it is unhealthier

>>42626379
>Well, non of those examples gurantees the suffering and death of a sentient being thats the difference buddy
Your existence does the same thing.

Perhaps you should an hero, and save the animals.

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>>42611256
It is.
>>42611292
Because muh pseudoscience
>>42611321
No because that's not what's in milk at all and is a retarded dietary meme.
>>42611353
Science and the human historical record
>>42611926
>it's not.
Yes it is.
>you can find studies that link it to a higher chance of developing cancer, along with a lot of other digestive issues
That are pseudoscientific garbage.
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/07/cheese-your-health-cvd-cancer-metabolic.html
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992

>>42611417
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxnBDDqXSjk
Nice pseudoscience video.
>saturate fat
>healthy
And it is.
>>42611864
>its no secret that animal products are bad for you
No, thy're not.
>enjoy nogainz milk drinkers
enjoy your dietary memes.
>>42627070
>>42613314
>That chicken breast and steak on the side will still increase your risk for heart disease thanks to the presence of cholesterol, saturated fats
No, They won't.
>>42613417
>Proof?
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>>42615200
Milk causing acne is a meme
>>42616567
And your point of view is unscientific and wrong
>>42627070