Testosterone thread

Are cold showers a meme or not?

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>Contradicting studies on tobacco and T (so stop listening to the tobacco shills here):
http://www.hormones.gr/8449/article/cigarette-smoking-has-a-positive-and%E2%80%A6.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19473474
http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/pdf/62/62_67.pdf
https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/17/12/3275/569627/Smoking-sperm-quality-and-testosterone-level#ref-9
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-06/tes-dtl062212.php
http://www.clinsci.org/content/100/6/661
http://www.bioline.org.br/request?bk08005
http://www.iasj.net/iasj?func=fulltext&aId=5261

>Alcohol lowers T (proportionally to consumption):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6443186
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11912073
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/202/3/676.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/07418329?sdc=1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19450718
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9046385
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17349749
http://www.ijpp.com/IJPP%20archives/2006_50_3/291-296.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1097/01.ALC.0000125356.70824.81/abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23470309
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.1996.tb01676.x/abstract

>More on how to boost T
https://web.archive.org/web/20170714220823/https://www.jackedfactory.com/how-to-boost-testosterone/
https://web.archive.org/web/20170113112620/https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally/

>Interesting Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkxDEDEYOsU&t=2s

>The myth of low IQ and T: the study was done on blacks:
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/high-testosterone-linked-to-lowered-iq/

On Traditional Cardio:
>Traditional cardio refers to a steady state of intensity that is held for the duration of the session
>At its worst, excess traditional cardio "eats" lean muscle and creates a destructive pattern of slow metabolic rate and a yo-yo'ing body weight.
>Excess traditional cardio leads to muscle loss which inhibits natural hormone production. Aerobic workouts also elevate cortisol levels.
>However, traditional cardio (when done on moderation, for around 45 min per session) improves brain metabolism, grey matter and neurogenesis on the hippocampus (STUDY: Effects of aerobic exercise on brain metabolism and grey matter volume in older adults: results of the randomised controlled SMART trial)
>The best kind of cardio to avoid overtraining is brisk walking or rope jumping (if you have the skills)

T-Boosting Workout:
http://www.jmaxfitness.com/blog/methods-to-unleash-testosterone/
>Warm up
https://www.t-nation.com/training/most-intelligent-way-to-warm-up
>Rest time
http://anabolicapex.com/2016/02/02/optimal-testosterone/

ON EJACULATION

>Masturbation itself does nothing, but abstaining for a week does (at day 7 your T is significantly higher, then it returns to baseline)
>Then after 3 weeks of abstaining your T gets somewhat higher
>After that, it's unknown what happens (in people with erectile dysfunction, their T gets lower after 3 months of absence)

Sources:
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2605.1999.00196.x/full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241

>Now sex is a different thing, it always boost your T
Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1529008
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7069152
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11247105

>And porn is always bad. (see yourbrainonporn.com)

>>42607617
Pretty much, except for your balls

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Way ahead of you bro. I'm tired of the Jews putting all this estrogen in my food and water. It's time to take matters into my own hands

Other tips:
>Use a metal flask instead of a plastic bottle
>Use loose boxers

Thanks anon for posting these, you're a saint

>>42607609
I found the best way to improve my T levels was

Eating Eggs
HIIT
Weights
8 Hours sleep
Inject testosterone

>>42607740
kek

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>>42607619
THANK YOU for sharing this!

>>42607617
see pic related matey

jack donovan is my husbando

>>42607648
Recommend me one OP
Nalgene a shit

Do I still read the reddit or new links?

>>42607617

They might be for test boosting.

they do increase circulation, and thus, shortens recovery time.

>>42607609

>Have you noticed how weak and fragile do modern teens look compared to 30 years ago?

I've noticed that idiots like you probably think models and actors from 30 years ago were representative of the average human being of the time. 60% of Ameicans are overweight, and something like 35% of are obese. Obviously that's degenerate and unacceptable, but what about obesity that screams "weak and fragile" to you? Weak, sure, since they're fatties, but fragile? Let me guess, you think a handful of scrawny Portland hipsters are demographically representstive of the average American male.

>In fact, testosterone levels go down 1% each year= 10% in a decade

How many times do we have to disprove this bullshit to you retarded conspiracy nuts? AVERAGE test keeps going down because overall, men are getting fatter and living longer. Fat people and old people produce less test. Therefore, when you average the test of those fatties and old men in with the test of healthy men, the average is lower than it used to be when there weren't as many old and fat men. A healthy man who eats a proper (or even half decent) diet and exercises regularly (or at least somewhat regularly) in this day and age still produces more or less the same amounts of test that his dad and granddads and so forths did during their own youths however many decades ago.

How bout you try actually lifting for once in your life? Oh, but I guess then you wouldn't have time to prattle on about your half baked conspiracies. Guess you should continue to avoid weight rooms at all costs while spending your days sitting your fat ass in front of a computer screen watching Alex Jones screeching redfaced about his incoherent bullshit on Infowars for hours on end.

>>42608196
Not OP, but I just got a Klean kanteen. Bought a sippy top to go with it, its great.

>>42608352
this kid...

What would be the best dietary changes I could make as a vegan to increase test? I already get lots of sleep, hit the gym 3 times a week, and avoid stuff like alcohol and smoking, so diet's really the only thing left to change.

My current plans are to increase saturated fats, so more avocados, coconut oil, and dark chocolate. Also planning on adding in cholesterol via oysters, which will also give me some animal protein as well as Vitamin D and Zinc (among others). Any other suggestions?

>>42607609
>>42608352
Everyone should watch these.

Biohistory 1 - intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4-Od8cq5Gk

Biohistory 2 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4-Od8cq5Gk

Biohistory 3 - the civilization cycle

there's a 4th if anyone's interested.

The videos talk about the part hormones play in all this, it's very interesting, I highly recommend it

>>42608490
immature answer - stop being vegan lol

mature answer - apart from compound lifts, take more suppliments that help including magnesium (obviously stay within healthy limits)

>>42608490
The best chance would be to eat meat.

>>42607609

>be me: teen in the mid-late 90's
>no smartphones, internet was brand spanking new, not user friendly and not widespread.
>lifting, ju-jitsu, cycling, and army cadet shit was all I did except for vidya
>city I live in has fitness stores, outdoor stores out the ass.
>TV and culture about "hey get out of the house and do activities, they're fun", "you're a man, you're awesome, go out and be the most awesome man you can be"
>fast forward 20 years
>those fitness stores and outdoor stores are all coffee shops or clothing stores
>internet and smartfones are cheap, user friendly and available to everyone.
>TV and culture now about "get drunk/high, earn cash, fuck women, play vidya, be a dick to other humans or they'll be dicks to you so fuck them first", "you're also shit compared to these awesome women who are your superiors in every way"
>theyarenot.jpg

I can't totally blame these kids, they're born into a shitty, lazy, false and degenerate culture. I do feel sorry for those young guys whose legs are the same thickness as my arms.

>>42608510

>Everyone should watch these
>"biohistory"
>"the civilization cycle"
>it's very interesting, I highly recommend it

An insistent, zealous tone and made up pseudo-scienctific jargon are the classic marks of a low intellect, compensating conspiracy theorist and wannabe "patrician" intellectual. Tell me, just how poor were your grades in your high school science classes? Have you ever wondered why you did so poorly in those classes? Let me tell you why:

Putting the words "bio" and "history" together doesn't suddenly make your inane, anecdotal, "redpill", neckbeard conspiracy theory scientific or true. Science and truth aren't about the tone or profoundness of a statement, nor are they about how "sciencey" your word choice sounds.

Those videos are not presenting anything even remotely resembling science or truth. They are presenting a pseudo-scientific "theory", but instead of using actual facts or science to attempt to prove this theory, they used aesthetic and tonal arguments; i.e. having a clean shaven presenter in a suit, with dramatic music, dramatic visual cuts, crisp infographics, a very documentarian sounding narrative, etc.

Aesthetics and tone are not science, and have absolutely nothing to do with science. People like you failed your science classes because you think science is about the aesthetics and tone of your arguments and ideas, when really it's about whether or not your arguments and ideas actually hold any physical merit.

"Biohistory" and (most of) your bullshit ramblings about the testosterone levels of present day males are nothing but physically and statistically baseless, aesthetic, tonal, anecdotal pseudo-scientific conspiracies.

>>42608861

>inaccurate head fantasy anecdotes

Damn near everything you said has zero statistical basis and was 100% pulled out of your ass so that you could feel like a patrician intellectual commenting on "muh state of civilization".

>>42608352
>>42608881
>this much projecting
Seriously speaking, why so angry?
You literally sound like an underage

>>42608958

>oh shit he btfo'd me and he's so right that I don't know how to respond
>better just call him underage angry and projecting to try to draw attention away from how btfo'd I got

Nice deflection. What's wrong, can't handle having your bullshit thrown in your face by someone who actually knows what they're talking about? Go ahead, try to refute any of the points I made in either of my posts.

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>>42608352
>>42608881
>>42608907

>>42608995
what the fuck
you didn't BTFO me you projecting and triggered retard
I'm neither of those guys

>>42609002

What do you want

>>42609010

Then what the fuck were you talking about? I'm arguing against pseudo-science with actual science, therefore I'm projecting? Also:

>I acted like a jackass
>haha he's so triggered because he called me a jackass for acting like a jackass XD

>>42608907

>Can't accept he lives in a shit time.
>Is a thirsty beta faggot
>Is a femtard triggered by a man who doesn't think her vagina is magic

Pick 2.

>inaccurate head fantasy anecdotes

The changes in store types in my city are not fantasy. The changes in technology between 90's - 10's are not fantasy. Culture has obviously changed between 90's and 10's

So what are you dribbling on about?

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>>42609051
>internet arguments won:
underage
I called you for being so cringey, and projecting with muh Alex Jones etc
And you countinue projecting

>>42609074

>is making anecdotal claims about the times, past and present, and thinks that because they're his personal anecdotal claims that that means they're the absolute truth
>resorts to ad hominems when he gets called on his prattling, wannabe intellectual bullshit and subsequently gets thoroughly btfo'd

Where are you getting "thirsty beta faggot" and "triggered femtard" from? Do you even know what your "le epic /pol" buzzwords mean? One of those phrases refers to a man, one of them refers to a woman. And what do they even remotely have to do with this thread or any other comment that's been posted in it? You're like a kid drowning at a pool, desperately flailing about and trying to grab onto anything that might save him.

>The changes in store types in my city are not fantasy.

How big is your city? How many total stores used to be in your city and how many are in it now? How many of each speicifc type of store were there then versus now, and how signficantly - if at all - has the overall numerical proportion of each store type changed?

>The changes in technology between 90's - 10's are not fantasy.

No shit Sherlock. I didn't say that technology didn't change. I said your claims about its effects on people were pulled out of your ass, which they are.

>Culture has obviously changed between 90's and 10's

Again, no shit Sherlock. I didn't say that culture hasn't changed. I said your claims about what those changes are were pulled out of your ass, which they are.

>So what are you dribbling on about?

You being one of many irritating idiots who cherry picks and exaggerates anecdotal examples while ignoring the bigger picture in order to make yourself feel like some pompous "intellectual" who's just soooooo much more "aware" of the world and it's "sad state" than the rest of us "sheep".

>>42609120

Again, literally what are you trying to communicate here? So you just jumped into an argument that you didn't otherwise care for, and arbitrarily decided to attack me because....?

What does referencing Alex Jones have to do with projecting under this thread topic? Do you not know what the word "projecting" means?

>internet arguments won:
>underage

What did he mean by this?

>>42608881
haha Christ, someone needs to go for a long walk and a cold shower :^P

Also, maybe you'd like to go to their website where they list all the sources of their research? They consulted many studies before making these claims.

>>42609247
this kid is an idiot
>Why did I do that?
read what I wrote before

>look at what those guys said, they must be Alex Jones fans n sheeit

>internet arguments won:
do you know what sarcasm is?

>underage
you act like one
which means that this thrrad is for you, because, if you know so much about science, you should know how low your T is based on your behaviour. So read what OP wrote and start working inmediatly

>>42609288

>haha Christ, someone needs to go for a long walk and a cold shower :^P

What's wrong, can't provide a retort to any of my claims, so you have to resort to attacking the perceived tone of my argument? Do you know what a "logical fallacy" is? I'm guessing you don't, since you're a pseudo-science loving conspiracy theorist. I dare you try to respond to one of the claims I made, instead of just calling me angry and insisting that you're correct. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>Also, maybe you'd like to go to their website where they list all the sources of their research? They consulted many studies before making these claims.

They consulted many studies in the same way that a middle school kid consults a bunch of Wikipedia pages while writing a history report. "Consulting" the work of real scientists and incorrectly and incompletely sourcing their work during the presentation of your own pseudo-scientific conspiracy theory doesn't mean you're doing science. If that "biohistory" bullshit is so true, then why doesn't it have its OWN studies, and why aren't there actual scientists supporting it? You clearly understand nothing about what science is or how it is conducted.

>>42609311

>Why did I do that?
>read what I wrote before

What you wrote before was incoherent and didn't make any sense.

>look at what those guys said, they must be Alex Jones fans n sheeit

All of this bullshit about present day testosterone levels and tempering with hormone levels in human populations is LITERALLY Alex Jones tier conspiracy bullshit.

Case and point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePLkAm8i2s

>which means that this thrrad is for you, because, if you know so much about science, you should know how low your T is based on your behaviour. So read what OP wrote and start working inmediatly

Lmao there we go. So you ARE a believer in all this bullshit, and you were only responding to me the first time because you were buttblasted that I btfo'd all this bullshit.

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>>42608352

Only reasonable anon in this thread. Keep going brother.

>>42609646
Holy fuck that is cool.

>>42609660

I know right? Dogs are great companions.

>>42609438
what the fuck
this reayrd
>Lmao there we go. So you ARE a believer in all this bullshit...(blah blah)
And you keep projecting

>>42608352
>not taking into account age ranges in these studies

they exclude old men bro. you should try reading them sometime

>>42607950
>that wolf/bunny political analogy
Fucking Kek, this is actually the argument they make

Also I like how it just implies conservatives are virgins and liberals are chad

>>42608352
>>42608510
>>42608861
>>42608881
>>42608958
>>42608995
>>42609074
>>42609216
Niggas stop fighting. We're not here to discuss what made this happen (it's Reaganomics) or if it has happened. Just how to increase testosterone

How do I get tested for test?

>>42610650
No it just implies that niggers have more kids younger, reach sexual maturity younger and care less about their kids (all true)
Such a person will vote for Gibs

Do niggers vote for Gibs?
Oh gosh, wow they do.
Prediction correct.

>>42610586

>this retard
>And you keep projecting

You keep avoiding responding to any of my points, because you know that I'm right, but you're too embarrassed to admit it. So instead you're opting to try to derail any discussion that might have been raised over my points.

>which means that this thrrad is for you, because, if you know so much about science, you should know how low your T is based on your behaviour. So read what OP wrote and start working inmediatly

You explicitly admitted right there that you agreed with the bullshit in the OP, despite claiming earlier that you were attacking me for some other reason. Just give up, you only embarrass yourself more each time you come back with nothing more than "hurrrr retard!11!!1!".

>>42610696

Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly happy to have regular, grounded discussions about test. I'm definitely not happy though when the threads are set up within this framework of some idiotic conspiracy.

On that note; there really isn't that much to discuss when it comes to how to (naturally) increase your test levels. You just have to be generally healthy; i.e. eat right, go outside in the sun enough, exercise enough, etc. Obviously sex, being social, etc probably helps a lot too.

>>42611075
You know the word "conspiracy" does not mean just that cartoon group of bad guys in a room plotting right?

It means "congruent inspiration" which can be malicious or not.

There are many unique actors who either don't care, want, or are just making money by letting all the things that drop test happen.

That's real, it's "conspiracy". It's not just "coincidence" or congruent incidents

>>42611138

I do, but OP presents the issue as though it's a conspiracy. He talks about "contamination of our youth" and "invading hordes". He's one of those "da jooooos are poisoning us" nutcases, and that was the mentality that my original comment was zeroing in on.

Also, test isn't dropping because of any factors that aren't (more or less) 100% controllable by each individual man. And thus, there isn't much, if any, fault on anyone other than men themselves for dropping test levels. Diet, exercise levels, stress levels, etc are what are most important (aside from and along with genetics) for determing a man's test levels. Birth control chemicals in our water supplies don't have any significant effects, nor do any of the other similar conspiracy tier sources that nutjobs always try to blame for their low test levels and overall shit quality of life.

>>42607648
Nalgene has been bpa free for a long time. What are you suggesting?

>>42607609
Please get it through your thick head that estrogens are not the opposite of testosterone. Estrogens (e2) is anabolic as fuck.

So shut the fuck up about soy

>>42607609
>Say no to soy
Say no to ebin broscience

>>42607617
complete meme

>>42608352
this

>>42611075
also this

>>42612294
ESPECIALLY this

been taking zinc + magnesium + vit b12. does that help with test?

>>42612752
If you aren't deficient in zinc, does fuck all (talking strictly testosterone, those all have benefits)

>>42612837
i sweat a lot though so i suspect i'm losing a lot of zinc through my perspiration and am probably deficient.

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They don't want you to reproduce

>>42612862
oh, and before someone says "the doses arent high enough to be detrimental to your health"...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3365860/

>>42607619
The study on blacks does not account for the genetic differences in IQ. Blacks do not have certain genes that Eurasians carry, thus they have lower IQ. Asians for example have the lowest testosterone levels and highest IQ-s, even among somewhat high-test asians.

Testosterone levels are not much related to IQ. What is interesting though is, for example, doctors on average have higher IQ and higher body hair and test (whites). Race should be accounted for in studies like this.

I'll give you some testies if you want. Oral administration.

>>42607632
masturbation lowers T, after that it start to rise back

Sex does not lower T, which is interesting to say the least.

>>42613619
It's all to do with brain chemistry and shit

>>42607950
lol that's not a picture of rippletits

>>42613629
yes

>>42608907
Fuck outta this thread.
or post body.

>>42611075
> I'm perfectly happy to have regular, grounded discussions
But you don't. You start throwing unrelated insults like a teenager, trying to look like an intellectual

>>42609646
>>42612717
obvious samefagging

>>42607950
ωω γραφει το ονομα του σωkρατη στα ελληνιkα. ξερεις οτι μιλα σοβαρα

>>42612294
>>42612717
>say no to say
because the soy almost everyone consumes is processed (http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/adoption-of-genetically-engineered-crops-in-the-us/recent-trends-in-ge-adoption.aspx), and soy itself contains isoflavones, you fucking braindead vegans

> Dr. Kenneth D.R. Setchell from Colorado State University, discovered this small molecule called equol from humans back in 1982. Since then he has been researching the molecule. He has already proven that the compound is formed in the gut when we eat isoflavones, and that men who eat a lot of soy have high amounts of equol present in their blood stream. Back in 2004, Dr. Setchell found out that equol is a strong anti-androgen, which can almost completely shut down the activity of dihydrotestosterone (the most potent androgen)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14728586?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14681200?dopt=Abstract

>One 19 year old man who started consuming hefty amounts of soy in his diet, suddenly the guy lost all interest to sex and suffered from erectile dysfunction. His blood DHEA, testosterone, and DHT levels also plummeted significantly. 1 year after stopping the soy consumption, his erectile health and hormonal profile was fully regained
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

>From 99 infertile men, the men that ate the most soy had the lowest sperm count.
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/11/2584.short

>soy protein increased the number of epithelial cells in the breast tissue by 29% (this is a sign of overblown estrogen).
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/5/10/785.short

>Soy protein decreased testosterone and DHT levels in healthy young men
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098

There are also studies which show no major differences in testosterone levels after soy consumption. However they’re quite often sponsored by SOYJOY or other large soy producers.

DUMB FUCKS

>>42614249
sorry, say no to soy*

>>42608352
>but what about obesity that screams "weak and fragile" to you?
fat "men" have low T you braindead intellectual wannabe teenager. If you're so smart you can are the connection there

>How many times do we have to disprove this bullshit to you retarded conspiracy nuts?
It's not a conspirancy you idiot, and you didn't even disprove it, you just "justified" it, which still won't make the T levels of nu males acceptable

> A healthy man who eats a proper (or even half decent) diet and exercises regularly (or at least somewhat regularly) in this day and age still produces more or less the same amounts of test that his dad and granddads and so forths did during their own youths however many decades ago.
Did someone say the opposite?

>>42607619
Even if tobacco would increase test, it would be dumb as fuck to start smoking.

(1/2) I just woke back up, so let me get back to some of these before I get to work.

>>42610613

Didn't even see your comment last night, but I'll respond to it now. That also does not matter. The trends of lower test levels among men of any given age range have been observed BUT NOT EXPLAINED, with researchers who have noted the trends not being sure of the reason of the change. You are correct that even within age ranges and controlling for obesity levels, test seems to have decreased. HOWEVER, researchers know that whatever the reason for the change is, it's not "muh birth control water" or "muh estrogens". I brought up the effects of obesity and age on the overall average test because retards often cite that average test the same way other retards cite the "average wage" of men versus women in "gender gap" arguments.

>>42614101

Aww, is somebody upset because their jewish control fantasy is being disproven by people who actually know what they're talking about? And so now, like everyone else, you're desperately trying to change the subject and draw attention away from the fact that I btfo'd all your bullshit. How bout you fuck out of this thread instead bitch boy. Or you can go ahead and post your body first. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>42614164

But I am. Starting off a discussion rambling about "contamination" and "invasion of the hordes" and other bullshit like "biohistory" is not a grounded discussion, and I explained very clearly why. The field was then left open for a grounded discussion; i.e. people could've responded (intelligently) to the legitimate points I brought up in my first comment and a legitimate discussion could've unfolded from there.

>You start throwing unrelated insults like a teenager, trying to look like an intellectual

Lmao nice attacking the tone deflection. I'm not trying to look like anything. I was right and people like you were wrong, because I argued with actual science and you argued with pseudo-science.

>>42614249
>soy protein isolate
>not whole soy foods
You are comparing a processed food to ALL soy products. You are a brainlet, kys.

>>42613619
There used to be an old meme that your body doesn't know the difference between sex and masturbation but that's been proven wrong. Apparently even talking to an attractive woman slightly increases testosterone, while fucking a woman compensates for the T loss from ejaculation.

Basically T production is your body's way of rewarding you for doing the right things from an evolutionary perspective.

>>42614950

(2/2)

>>42614249

>correlation versus causation
>ONE 19 year old man
>what are anecdotes

I'm actually very open to the possibility that soy has negative effects on men's health, HOWEVER, the effects it has are tentatively understood, at best, and even if there are effects, they're almost certainly insignificant. Which is why I'm usually annoyed at people overreacting to it and putting so much focus on soy.

Like I said before: eat a good diet, exercise, go out in the sun, lower stress, etc. This is what's important for test (and damn near every other aspect of your health). Acting paranoid and autistic over things like soy is generally a waste of time and not important at all. Also >>42615028

>>42614300

>fat "men" have low T you braindead intellectual wannabe teenager. If you're so smart you can are the connection there

I literally did make the connection there, you braindead intellectual wannabe teenager. Did you not read my entire comment?

>It's not a conspirancy you idiot, and you didn't even disprove it, you just "justified" it
>which still won't make the T levels of nu males acceptable
>the T levels of nu males
>nu males

You and the OP have presented it varyingly as either a "conspiracy" or some kind of societal "epidemic", which it is not. Lordy lordy, you're calling me an intellectual wannabe while I'm speaking actual science, meanwhile you're over there talking about "the T levels of nu males"? The irony is incredible.

>Did someone say the opposite?

They added in all this paranoid bullshit about "chemicals in the water" and the "state of the modern man". I.e. your stupid nu male bullshit again.

>still produces more or less the same amounts of test that his dad and granddads and so forths did during their own youths however many decades ago.

Literally the entire thread topic and every similar paranoid test thread is about how modern men supposedly have less test for any reason other than because of their lifestyles and personal choices.

>>42615052
You see now that I did not know, that even talking to a woman you find attractive changes your test level, even if slightly.

But yeah, it basically is a reward system of sorts. Today it might not be paid much attention to due to porn being easily accessible and people having medical help in overcoming diseases.

As far as I remember, a lowered testosterone comes with increased chance of getting sick, generally.

>>42607609
is bmi a meme?

>>42615132
Depends on your body fat senpai

>>42614167
Βρήkε την ειkόνα στο διαδίkτυο kαι την kοπυπάστωσε στο ινφογραφιkό του δίχως kαν να αντιληφθεί πως είναι γραμμένο στα ελληνιkά.

>>42615565
translatefags ή οντως ελληνες;

>>42607617
The science behind these things is always the same: it may or may not increase, it's inconclusive, more data is needed, one research said yes but the other said no, etc

I do it all. If one person at one point saw a small correlation, and it won't cost me anything or harm me in any way, it's worth trying it.

>>42607617
Yes they are a meme. A study showed that strength training males gain less muscle mass taking cold showers following a strength session, than those that took a hot shower following a strength session. This is likely due to the fact that cold showers reduce inflammation, with inflammation being one of the key primers for hypertrophy both sarcoplasmic and myofibrilar. Also, the cold shower group had lower mean testosterone than the hot shower group. You can interpret this however, but you absolutely cannot say cold showers increase testosterone.

Guys, im extremely concerned, going to a doctor in a few weeks
>go from 210 to 245 in a year (stressful time, no sleep, graduate college)
>noticed 5 weeks ago my dick erect has shrunk from 7 and 1/4 to 6 and 1/4th
>ive cut so far down to 229
>my dick is still at a smaller size

>During that year I also masturbated like 10 times a week even when I got girlfriend just to de-stress

Does this sound like low T? Ive been cutting and doing high intensity muscle workouts but no changes, still emotionally down about it.

Im concerned that it may be high bloodpressure/bad circulation, or even worse, diabetes

>>42616068
I put on weight last winter, and noticed that my libido was shit, and no hard erections, now i m at 18% bf and my dick is getting harder for each day.
Drop some weight and it should be fine

>>42616144
glad for you mate, keep up the good work.
today is a vacation day so I have time to read all the info in the thread. I'm hoping I can drop another 10 in september, its been effecting my relationship

>>42616204
Thanks, I hope it works out for you, the way my weight-loss have effected my relationship is that my gf cant keep up with my libido.
The only things I really changed was
>sleep 7-8h a night.
>No sugar what so ever.
>cut fat
>lifting 4 times a week (5/3/1 bbb)

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>>42608352
T. Labcorp
They keep redefining normal to silence the topic. Youbg people who aren't wearing an aromatase factory are healthy at senior citizen levels of T? Trump is like 450 on his lab as an obese senior that doesn't exercise and eats KFC. And folks with lower test are healthy?

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>>42608352

>>42607950
Ignoring how stupid your picture is (Hurr rabbits have unlimited food) you do realize in terms of evolution rabbits are a far better species than wolves, right? For that matter Ants are better than both by a light year.

>Each ant completely fulfills it's role in society
>Ant always works towards the collective and there is no competition in ant society
>Ants will commit suicide if they are remotely in danger of bringing harm to the colony
>Ants are one of the most fit species in existence and will fight animals over 10 times their size, holding them down by the legs as other ants rip their throats out
>Ants will also sometimes assimilate other colonies into theirs almost completely transitioning power peacefully by murdering a single ant (enemy queen) or doubling down on queens

Ants are literally superior to shitty wolves and rabbits in every way.

>>42616371
Would be interesting to have the same data for teens and young adults, since testosterone doesn´t play the same role in body development after you´re fully grown.

>>42607609
>Have you noticed how weak and fragile do modern teens look compared to 30 years ago?

First thing I noticed starting university last year is that, aside from a handful of exceptions, 90% of all guys there still look like scrawny 15-year-olds.

>>42616268
much thanks, i will look into bbb, havent tried it b4

>>42616315

Oh I see, you're a scientifically and mathematically illiterate nutcase who is insecure about your illiteracy, so you make up conspiracies to make yourself feel like you actually know something. Please go read a middle school math textbook before posting again.

Nobody is "redefining normal". Your pic sounds to me like a medical institution that redefined a medical parameter to make it more medically and mathematically accurate for whatever they were using that parameter for. That's literally what science is: you update it over time as you gain a more accurate understanding of the topic you're researching.

The first interval on the left is based on "lean" men's test levels, the interval on the left includes fatasses with a BMI of up to fucking 30. No shit the minimum and maximum of the ranges dropped with all those fatties in there. What are those intervals being used for? Because it sounds to me like they're just descriptors for the general populations test levels, which would make them accurate.

>Youbg people who aren't wearing an aromatase factory are healthy at senior citizen levels of T?

When did anyone say that a young man with the test levels of an old man was healthy? That is literally not what anyone in this thread has proposed, nor is it what we have been talking about.

>>42616371

Congratulations junior, you downloaded a picture and then later uploaded it to 4chan. Do you think that maybe at some point you should have learned how to actually interpret the picture that you're trying (and failing) to prove a point with?

Total test levels went down with time, yes. Did your tiny little pea brain happen to notice that my comment that you're responding to explains why that happened? Hint: it's not because of a conspiracy or chemicals in the water. It's because of lifestyle changes.

>>42616489

Yes, I'm sure that's so much different than how college campuses looked 30, 40, or 50 years ago. Anecdotal pseudo-science, everyone.

>>42615028
>all studies were only done with soy protein
so yeah vegans are retards
can you """disprove""" the rest, you ebin science """man"""?

>>42617259
The gubbmint is unironically after your T. Shifting the Gaussian curve will permit fewer peoples from being rightfully prescribed TRT, which the left ward tail end of the new interval qualify as.

>>42607609

Is that picture from the avicci music video

>>42607634
I know that label

>poorfag detected

>>42607740
Fucking lost

>>42614950
>>42615086
holy shit you're retarded
it wouldn't surprise me from a teenagers who wants to win internet arguments
You made a huge amounts of false assumptions in every single reply of yours and looked like the idiot you are, and then replied again with more stupidity. If you care about yourself (I doubt you do), stop trying to look like an intellectual, because you're doing the exact opposite.
Also you can't even argue, all you do is to talk two lines abou science, without citations, and then start insulting like an inmature boy, thinking it makes you look smart

>>42617337

The "gubbmint" isn't shifting anything you fucking imbecile. Jargon dropping the word "Gaussian" and simplistically referencing the tail end of a bell curve doesn't make your conspiracy theory right.

The curve has skewed leftwards, no one is arguing that. What is being argued is *why* the curve has skewed, and there are plenty of actual, scientific reasons for why that has happened. "Water supplies" and "estrogen poisoning" are not among those reasons.

>>42608352
>>42608881
>>42608995
>>42609051
>>42609074
>>42609216
>>42609247
>>42609438
>>42611075
>>42611283
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>>42615086
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>>42617460
HOLY SHIT
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SO THIS IS WHAT LOW T DOES

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>>42617259
definition of numale
now pls kill yourself

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>>42617259
This is the result of what they have been doing to us white men. If this is the future of the white race, we have shorter than I anticipated

>>42617427

>holy shit you're retarded
>it wouldn't surprise me from a teenagers who wants to win internet arguments

Not arguments. You're saying I'm a teenager who only wants to win internet arguments, and yet you're the one who keeps replying with only name calling and angry outbursts. Meanwhile, I've provided actual claims that are actually relevant to the discussion at hand. My first comment, in particular.

>You made a huge amounts of false assumptions in every single reply of yours

Please quote the false assumptions you believe I've made. I'm pretty sure you're looking at the FACTS that I've posted, gotten upstet that they didn't agree with your conspiracies and mindless prattlings, and so designated them "false assumptions" because you were too afraid and embarrassed to just admit that you were wrong. I'd be more than happy to address any of these supposed false assumptions if you can clearly point them out and explain what is supposedly false about them.

>in every single reply of yours and looked like the idiot you are, and then replied again with more stupidity
>If you care about yourself (I doubt you do), stop trying to look like an intellectual, because you're doing the exact opposite.
>Also you can't even argue
>start insulting like an inmature boy, thinking it makes you look smart

Once again, not arguments. Also pretty incoherent. Is English not your first language, friend? I'm noticing a lot of capitalization and punctuation errors in your writing, and your sentence structures are pretty lacking.

>all you do is to talk two lines abou science, without citations

I was talking about math in my original comment, which you don't usually give citations for. I mean, I can go on Amazon if you'd like and try to find an elementary school level math textbook to provide as a citation for how numerical averages work.

My few lines about science are all I need to shut down all your bullshit pseudo-science.

>>42617576
holy shit
this is the best thread in the catalog
keep up the good word, you fucking idiot

>>42617597
good work*

>>42617479
>>42617521
>>42617542

Aww, what's wrong crybabies, you upset because you lost the argument and I btfo'd your pseudo-science? :(

Notice that I've been talking in complete sentences, using proper grammar, and making valid points, meanwhile you kiddos have had to resort to meme formatting >>42617479 rage faces >>42617521 and non-statements >>42617542 in piss poor attempts at diversion and deflection.

I understand you're frustrated because you lost, but it's okay for you to leave the thread, go cool off, and then come back once you've accepted that I'm right and you're wrong.

>>42607609
>Say no to soy
Doesn't it have negative effects on T only when you consume too much? I also remember one of the trainers at my gym, a fairly bulky guy, mention drinking soy milk.

>>42608881
>>42608352
>>42608907
>>42608995
>>42609051
>>42609216
>>42609247
>>42609438
>>42609646
>>42611075
>>42611283
>>42612717
>>42614950
>>42615086
>>42616411
>>42617259
>>42617681
>>42617576
>oy vey there's no fertility or testosterone problem in the west you're all conspiracy nuts and all you goyim need to calm down everything is exactly as it should be. Keep drinking unfiltered water too, fluoridation doesn't calcify your pineal gland and the birth control drugs that aren't properly filtered out of your city water have no effect.

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>>42617681
hahahahaha
t.

>>42617688
Yeah, but it's a meme now and it helps with the anti-vegan shit, so most people don't want to concede that soy is fine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224

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>>42617681
>try harding on a Ugandan clay pot makers board

friendly reminder to filter all the posts with more than 3 non-consecutive double newline

>>42617681
lmao what a retarded and pathetic numale
back to antifa

>>42617701
>>42617708
>>42617727
>>42617740

Any time any of you would like to make an actual argument, I'm all ears.

>>42617460
>literally denying EDCs
Its always the I fucking love science types

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>>42617728
like this (non-reddit tier posting is preserved in case of occasional double newlines)

>>42614249
>>42607632
>>42607619
>>42607609
thank you for your efforts

>>42617774
I don't need to make any arguments, there have been plenty in the first half of the thread alone that you ignored. You're willfully ignorant on this topic for whatever reason, and I don't really care what you do, you can take birth control pills every morning for all I care, I just don't want to drink feminizing hormones in my tap water.

>>42617831

>there have been plenty in the first half of the thread alone that you ignored.

What, you mean like Mr.Biohistory here? >>42608510

I'm not willfully ignorant, you're willfully paranoid. And let me say this for about the tenth time in this thread: I have no issue with legitimate discussions about testosterone, its effects on men's health, how it may or may not be effected by environmental and other factors, etc. It's the over exaggerated fear mongering over stuff like soy and "muh contaminated wuter supply" that I can't stand.

>>42607609
>>>What NOT to do:
>https://web.archive.org/web/20160315151635/https://www.anabolicmen.com/how-to-lower-testosterone/

>high protein diets are bad for T
>low fat and low carb diets are bad for T

But what about scooby though.
What am I supposed to do if I want to have high T and get muscle?

So pretty much what everyone is saying here in this hellhole of insults is that there is no real reason our T is lower, and there is no accepted way to raise it substantially?

>>42617793

>more jargon dropping

I don't remember ever denying EDCs in general. I'm denying the "muh feminizing water supply" tier ramblings about EDCs.

>>42611386
absolute god tier:
klean kanteen

>>42617937

As the designated shit stirrer in this thread and one of the only rational people here: sort of. The water supply and other conspiracy tier factors are not feminizing you in any significant way, and certainly not on purpose as part of some jewish ploy.

Test is low for people with shitty lifestyles, and if you already live a pretty healthy life, there's no real way to substantially raise it, aside from just straight up injecting test. Eat right, exercise well, go out in the sun enough, don't be a complete shut in, don't let your brain rot, don't eat your sister's birth control pills, etc and you'll have more or less the same amount of test as your forefathers.

>>42618005
Is there anything wrong with injecting test?

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>>42617887
>This comprehensive meta-regression analysis reports a significant decline in sperm counts (as measured by SC and TSC) between 1973 and 2011, driven by a 50–60% decline among men unselected by fertility from North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. Because of the significant public health implications of these results, research on the causes of this continuing decline is urgently needed.

https://academic.oup.com/humupd/article/doi/10.1093/humupd/dmx022/4035689/Temporal-trends-in-sperm-count-a-systematic-review

As you can see, there has been a massive decrease in male sperm count over the past few decades. Can you explain this happening naturally?

>We observe a substantial age-independent decline in T that does not appear to be attributable to observed changes in explanatory factors, including health and lifestyle characteristics such as smoking and obesity. The estimated population-level declines are greater in magnitude than the cross-sectional declines in T typically associated with age.

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jc.2006-1375

Please explain the significant decline in testosterone levels as shown in this study.

>>42616411
lmao. i can crush a fuckin ant with my tiny finger. TAKE THAT!

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>>42618005
>thinks nurture>nature
>ignores prenatal influences

>>42618005
>rational
No way, you're a fucking low IQ retard

>>42618005
You'd do anything to look smart. Too bad you're actually a dumbfuck

>>42618005
>one of the only rational people here
top fucking kek

>>42616411
Ants are a good example of why fascism works.

>>42618240
You mean Feminism

>>42618340
feminism doesn't work

>>42618385
Ants are a matriarchy.

>>42618469
Does this mean fascists have low T?

>>42607617
Wouldn't say they induce anything chemically but they certainly drag me out of my groggy morning feel at 100mph when I have to be in work for 8:30am

>>42617916
>But what about scooby though.
Scooby roids

>>42607617
They're good for you, but not for test boosting reasons.

>>42618676
>this meme again

>>42618701
which reasons then?

>>42618767
Blood circulation, immune system, brown fat activation, keeping your balls cool is good for test though.

Might be a bit memey but one big element of test boosting is overcoming hardship, so tolerating cold conditions could be a good way to simulate that.

>>42618025

(1/2)

>does not APPEAR to be attributable to observed changes in explanatory factors

What I found, after the abstract:

>In this analysis we observed little evidence of age-independent trends with respect to MOST covariate factors; NOTABLE EXCEPTIONS to this rule, however, were the aforementioned increases in relative weight, as well as population-level changes in the prevalence of smoking and the concurrent use of multiple medications (polypharmacy).
>There were substantial age-specific increases in obesity and polypharmacy over the course of study follow-up, whereas the proportion of subjects who smoked cigarettes declined dramatically in all age groups.
>These trends are potentially important in accounting for an apparent secular decline in TT levels, because weight gain, smoking cessation, and the use of medications have been associated with decreases in serum T (33–37).
>However, although controlling for these and other factors significantly associated with TT concentrations was sufficient to SUBSTANTIALLY DECREASE the estimates of cross-sectional and longitudinal decline in TT, the estimate of the age-matched time trend was only slightly reduced (see Table 4).

Table 4 then shows that even controlling for all factors, that apparent 1%/year remains. So first of all, I admit that I was wrong in my very first comment here >>42608352, where I incorrectly assumed that the "1% decrease per year" came from people who only did broad, uncontrolled averages of the entire male population, since OP quoted that number from the super legit sounding "ourstolenfuture.org". That's on me for not looking into that further. The metaanalysis you links confirms that even after controlling for all covariates, there is in fact an apparent decrease of 1%/year.

However....(cont)

>>42618884
>>42618025

(2/2)

That said, obesity and lifestyle changes are a HUGE cause of the overall decrease in test levels, and they are by far the LARGEST types of causes of decreasing test, as the analysis you link explicitly states. Still, that does leave that unexplained 1%/year decrease that remains even after controlling for the most substantial factors. Which brings us back to your question of me:

>Can you explain this happening naturally?

My answer: I can't, but neither can you nor anyone else explain it happening unnaturally or artificially.

>These findings indicate that the past 20 yr have seen substantial age-independent decreases in male serum T concentrations, decreases that do not appear to be the consequence of the contemporaneous trends in health and lifestyle considered HERE.
>It remains UNCLEAR to what these apparent population-level decreases in T are attributable

We literally do not know where that 1%/year decrease is coming from or why it’s happening. It could be from a lifestyle factor that hasn’t been taken into consideration, or that was incorrectly taken into consideration. It could be a historic trend, which means it could even be an evolutionary decrease that’s potentially been occurring since long before modern times or potentially even long before civilized times. The rest of the discussion section of that analysis talks on and on about what else may or may not be producing that apparent 1%/year drop.

This is my qualm with the OP and most of the other paranoid nutcases in this thread. They all assume that because there isn't YET a fully sufficient, sensible explanation, that the only possible conclusion is that jews are feminizing us through our water supplies. In reality, the only thing that exists is a measly 1%/year drop that we don’t fully understand and can’t explain, a drop that will almost certainly ultimately come to be understood to stem from something that’s not actually that big of a deal at all.

>>42618019

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

>>42618078

Are you another one of those incels who decided to jump right into the thread and pick an arbitrary comment to reply to without reading the rest of the thread? Go read my other comments instead of just my most recent one.

>>42618155
>>42618187
>>42618238

Once again, not arguments. Go ahead and respond with something substantial, I'll wait. Try to follow this guy's example >>42618025. His comment was targeted, made sense, and he provided substantial statements that allowed me to form substantial responses.

>>42618903
I couldn't even be bothered reading you guys entire test fight. All I wanna know is how to improve my own lifestyle.

So... Are zink supplements still a thing?

So turns out my free Test is high at 22.7ng/dL (ref is 5.25-20.7) and my total Test is 598ng/dL (ref is 240-950). Anyone else here with high free Test? How has that affected you?

>>42618926
mate you haven't addressed how biodetermined test levels are due the influence of prenatal testosterone and other hormones, plastic may be less of a hazard to adult male, but to gestating persons, such things are less discussed. take a picture of your hands ringlet, i bet you digit ratio is high and you're coping.

>>42614707
I would do like a vape

>>42619308

Ok, and why would I have "addressed how biodetermined test levels are due the influence of prenatal testosterone and other hormones"? When exactly did that become part of the discussion? This is a fitness board for adult males, why are you acting surprised that I haven't talked about "gestating persons"?

>>42619485
because natural testosterone ceilings are determined in vitro and thus isn't all that malleable by lifestyle as you adhere to? It isn't declining entirely because they are more persons of calories and fewer calories out.

fuck the jew dumbcunt ITT, we just want to know how to increase test you small hat wearing faggot

>>42619527

Yeah CEILINGS (maybe). We weren't talking about that. And earlier in the thread I already made a comment about genetics being part of what determines your test ranges.

And what the fuck are you trying to communicate with

>It isn't declining entirely because they are more persons of calories and fewer calories out.

>>42619556

Found another science incel who can't read and thinks that anything that's not spoonfed to him is jew trickery just because he's too lazy to learn.

>>42607609
>drink bottled water
>drink running water
What's best to have less estrogen contamination?

>>42614707
vape

>>42608881
>classic marks of a low intellect
>Tell me, just how poor were your grades in your high school science classes
Jerk yourself off somewhere else, please.

>>42619746
non-plastic bottles or reverse osmosis filter, charcoal is a step up but not too effective.

Wow. This is a HOT thread!

>>42619655
>Ad hominem shit-talking in almost every single post
>Molyneux "Not an argument" every time somebody shit-talks back

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>>42607609
Just discovered this thread, looks nice. Good goys and vegans eat your soy, pic related, it will make bayer and monsanto very happey.

Honestly dont eat crappy soy. anything else is actually pretty good. for the ones taking vitamins, be sure to use zinc-chelate or -piccolinate, magnesium-citrat with your b-vitamins and dont forget to consume fats. zinc and magn need it to be absorbed properly. good fats are omega3 fishoil caps if you want to supplement.

why is it that nobody talks about ketogenic diets? you guys might consider it a "redpill"

>>42619811

That's not how I actually talk, I was trying to antagonize them because they were acting like asses.

>>42619870

How bout you go read the whole thread champ? My shit talking has been purely in response to other people shit talking. Most of what I've dealt with in this thread has been this:

>>42618187
>>42617831
>>42617740
>>42617708
>>42617701
>Etc

However, if people actually make legitimate arguments or say something substantial, I respond likewise. Example:

>>42618025
>>42618884
>>42618903

>>42619984
>reddit spacing
you have to go back and take your estrogenous IPAs with you

Your boy tested and has very high test, but how the fuck do you get swoler. No matter how hard I try I keep getting stronger, not bigger :c

>>42620186
its the reps, son. reps, nutrition and rest.

I just got my test results, 3.7 ng/mL

Apparently its not high enough that it qualifies me as being below the "healthy male" threshold, although I have issues maintain an erection, keeping focus and takes me twice as other guys in the gym to get the same results. what to do

>>42620272

Oops I meant, I'm not low enough*

>>42607950

the fascists lost over 70 years ago honey, time to move on with your life

>>42620272
impossible to answer since too many factors play a role. every body is individual aswell as everyones perception of certain things. genetic, nutrition, rest, workout, etc. pp. if you're a beginner, stick to basics, learn the movements, eat healthy 90% of the time, "eat, train, sleep, repeat". forget about motivation. its just a feeling. discipline is what matters.

>>42617805
the "." doesn't match with single "\n" so it catches only someone who constanstly uses double \n (at least three times in a row with no single \n in the middle)
it filtered all the reddit and zero content with a single line, wew

>>42620001

Not an argument. Try again. Also please fuck off with this "reddit spacing" meme, some of know how to think and type non-autistically, unlike you.

>>42607617
I always try to get my balls extra cold while in the shower. I turn it as far cold as it will get, and then focus the shower stream directly on my balls for minutes at a time.

>>42617728
>>42617805
because wanting to logically divide your post up is just fucking retarded right?

>>42620552
constantly making new paragraphs rather than a single line is retarded & the trademark of a redditor begging for unwarranted attention, yes.

>>42607609
The god dam reason why people are so weak and skinny ,today, is due to the fact that you dont have to exert yourself in todays society. Of course you gonne have low t and look like a twink if you sit on your ass all day long.

>>42620631
>hormones don't effect behavior, only behavior effects hormones
Thinking intensifies

We could be talking about important things and helping ppl with low T and here you are discussing like retards about paragraphs and spacing. Take your nerd talk elsewhere.

>>42620812
Exercise and activity is the best thing to regulate and balance hormones. And it doesnt affect you much unless youre very deficit or have supernatural levels of hormones.

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How do I go about getting my T checked? Can I just go to my university's health services and tell them that I want some tests to be done?

I'm a recovering fatass and have been dealing with weak erections/failure to get it up during sex and a lethargic mood for the last few years. I'm beginning to think I might have a T issue, and even if I don't, the paranoia is starting to get to me.

>>42620552

Thank you.

>>42620580

Acting like an autistic idiot and flipping out over spacing instead of contributing to the discussion is the trademark of you acting like an autistic idiot and begging for attention.

>>42613495
I bet it has a lot to do with assertiveness and dominance in social situations being beneficial. My dad is built like a gorilla and has always been an ambitious hardworking asshole.

Whereas I am a tiny framed lazy jerk off.

>>42607609
>Say no to soy and embrace your masculinity, since only the strong men will be able to protect their women.

But women say they only feel protected with tall men. Yes, fuck me for having high test close my growth plates when I was a preteen.

>>42620924
Age?

>>42621263
20

>>42620272
Well with lifestyle changes you might get up to like 4.7, but that's still practically low. That may not fix your problems. Otherwise, you could self administer trt, or you could do a roid cycle then get tested half a week afterwards, your test will be way down.

>>42620924
Your university might do it for you, really depends on if the doctor is sympathetic. Alternatively you could pay a clinic to do it. Many universities don't do tests on site, and send you to a specific clinic anyway.

My husband is 2.7ng which seems low. But the doctor said it's normal. I don't believe her?

>>42611386
Avoid the plastic jew goiym

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>>42611386
BPA free != xeno-estrogen free

The substitutes are often worse.

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>>42607740
Nice, didn't see that comming

>>42615114
Actually it's the other way around.
High test suppresses the immune system. The reason why high test is seen as attractive is because only the strongest actually survive having a compromised system. Or something like that

I took a blood test and I'm apparently "medium" test. I was fasted at the time though so I'm assuming in a non-malnourished state and refreshed after a few nights of more sleep (I sleep on average 5 hours a night) I'd move into the high range.

I can't grow a decent beard though and my hair is thin. I'm sure I'm going bald by age 30 and I was also prone to acne before I went on Accutane to get rid of the worst of it.

I'd like to cruise on some testosterone full time but its 1.) expensive, 2. illegal and I'll be treated as a criminal if caught and 3.) I'm very sensitive to androgenic sideeffects.

I'm still at novice tier of strength despite lifting for three years. My appetite is shit and I'm struggling to gain weight as well.

>>42614249
>>From 99 infertile men, the men that ate the most soy had the lowest sperm count.
>http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/11/2584.short
lower sperm concentration not sperm count, retard
sperm concentration lowered because soy eater has more semen, which means more fertile sperm since semen accomodate sperm

>>42615810
Pios einai Ellinas edw!?!

>>42608352
Take spics and niggers out of the equation and the obesity rates change quite a bit friend.

>>42608490
Just eat meat bro. Bonus points if you personally kill the animal.

>>42608881
Get a load of this faggot.

What a fucking shithole of a thread. Just about no info because one or two soyboys wanted to start arguing.

>>42618792
I did not know that, thank you

>>42607609
>In fact, testosterone levels go down 1% each year= 10% in a decade.
No, they dont.

Test levels decrease on average due to increase in the number of obese people dragging the statistic down.

If you're not fat, your T levels are identical to all other years of human existence

>>42617351
Yup

>>42619984
>However, if people actually make legitimate arguments or say something substantial, I respond likewise.
We just want you to shut the fuck up and stop ruining the thread you literal retard. After more than 10 huge ass replies of yours you still haven't rralized it.

>>42623798
>>42622918

ANOTHER WAY TO BOOST T
INB4 TRIGGERED V*GAN BOIS
https://www.google.com/search?q=hunting+and+testosterone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=kQ-gWYLIFajV8AfSsbnADA

>>42607950
Rabbits are brutal m8 they fuck each others shit up, eat their kids and can rek sneks

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>>42607632
>>42613619
>porn
..Increases test.

http://www.testofuel.com/tf/does-porn-increase-testosterone/

>masturbation
..Has "no acute effect on test".

https://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/

>>42607632
>Then after 3 weeks of abstaining your T gets somewhat higher
No, after increasing in such an insignificant amount it might as well never have happened; it stays at baseline then long tern on no fap test tanks
>Now sex is a different thing, it always boost your T
This is at least right.
>>42613619
>masturbation lowers T
No it doesn't.
>>42615052
>compensates for the T loss from ejaculation.
Masturbation doesn't lower testosterone
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html?zx=a5c14e73eab03ffe
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/researchers-say-frequent-ejaculation-could-save-mens-lives/news-story/dedd2ce2cb85c9cf6ff67f24c455dbe5
>http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>http://m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>http://answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation

>>42626651
A shekel for the good goy

>>42615998
Cold showers are amazing for your vascular system. I close the hot water tap completely and I barely get any physical reaction from the cold water nowadays.

>>42623100
Yeah, I wanted to see a nice thread about test boosting, but instead I got some edgy """"""skeptic"""""" shitposting about how smart he is. I hate 4chan.

well it seems the annoying edgy teenager finally left
Bump

>>42628665
Sweet, now everyone watch the videos - feedback, thoughts opinions, etc welcome. see >>42608510

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>>42626854
>Science I'm too lazy to read is Jewery