STOP FUCKING EATING

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>>42568593
any source?
trying to help you here.

>>42568593
Just lower your calorie intake you fat fuckers. You don't have to become a holocaust victim to lose weight.

>>42568656
STOP eating, cookie cutter.

If you want to lose weight you're fat

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>>42568593
Any source on how to loose weight without loosing muscles?

>>42568593

>Picture of Asian doctor-looking type
>Clickbaity headline
>No source

You expect me to believe you?

>>42568593
Im trying doc

>>42568825
>He doesn't know the legendary Dr Jason Fung
sad.

>>42568825
>Doesn't know the Varg Vikernes meme equivalent of dieting
You are missing out man.

>>42568593
some anon was posting last month about helping his fat fuck friends lose weight with fasting and pointed me to this guy.

hbA1C was 13.7 which is what triggered me looking for info. my doctor wanted to immediately put me on insulin and started telling me to eat a low fat diet.
>"so i have too much sugar in my blood and Im supposed to eat high carbs?"
>"thats why were giving you insulin to help control your blood sugar"
>"why eat carbs and raise my blood sugar in the first place?"

the whole fucking thing didnt make sense and I came across fasting anon talking to another person here. I watched all of Fung's videos. it made sense. I told my doctor what I was going to do and he made it perfectly clear it was suicidal and stupid "That is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard from a patient. You're not going to reverse your diabetes with fasting!"

30 day results:
>A1C: 13.7 -> 7.1
>fasting blood glucose: 350 -> 95-105 average during the day, still spikes above 135 in the morning though.
>fasting insulin: 150 -> 55
>blood pressure: hypertension -> 115/70
>total Cholesterol: 252 -> 187
>HDL 31 -> 54

my doctor ordered the tests redone because he's convinced the lab mixed up the test results.

I am so fucking psyched. Ive watched my aunt deal with diabetes her whole life. I gave her all the videos and shes talking to her docctor about now too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk

>>42569136
And what exactly did you do? You ate nothing at all? Did you lose weight?

>>42569173
Taking a multivitamin and water only. around day 14 I started getting lightheaded when I stood up so I starting taking some chicken broth from the coffee machine at work to get some salt, and that stopped the dizzy spells almost immediately.

>>42569173
>did you lose weight?
i haven't eaten in 30 days, of course I lost weight. im down 44 lbs from my last dr visit which was a week before I started my fast.

>>42569202
Yeah, that's pretty fucking stupid and unhealthy. You obviously know fuck all about human physiology, nutrition or diabetes so next time maybe try listening to your doctor instead of being a smartass. Fat loss is obviously a good thing for overweight people but you shouldn't fucking reenact Treblinka to achieve that unless you're 500 pounds and under doctoral supervision.

>>42569136
Fasting anon here.

Dude those results are fucking spectacular! Where did you start at weight wise? 300-ish?

Just think, with this kind of progress in another 30 days you won't have any clinical signs of diabetes except for elevated insulin levels, where you were sitting youll need about 16 weeks to get that insulin sensitivity back to normal-ish
How much cardio are getting? what workouts are you doing?

How's your energy levels? I remember you kept saying you were afraid youd be exhausted and perma-hungry.

What's your end game here? Whats going to be the point of breaking your fast?

I'm so fucking happy for you man, you're going to make it!

>>42569232
I think Ill listen to a respected nephrologist who is succesfully curing diabetes on a daily basis in his clinic with fasting over a keyboard warrior. lol.

>>42568593
But what about starvation mode? Losing muscle? Skinnyfat here wondering if he can get down to skinny before bulking by fasting. How do you deal with the hunger?

>>42569274
>Dude those results are fucking spectacular! Where did you start at weight wise? 300-ish?
295

>How much cardio are getting? what workouts are you doing?
Im walking around the lake by my house every day, 4 miles. Im doing some shitty calisthenics beginner routine. Im afraid to start lifting weights and figure this is a good compromise.
>How's your energy levels? I remember you kept saying you were afraid youd be exhausted and perma-hungry.
I feel fucking amazing. I almost have trouble falling asleep I feel like I have so much energy. I used to hit the snooze butten four or five times and throw my pillows at the cat to shut her up. Now Im up, showered, and dressed before my alarm even goes off.

The first four days blew donkey balls, but after that it has been a fucking cake walk.

>What's your end game here? Whats going to be the point of breaking your fast?
I've already broken the fast. I took your advice and I'm doing 16:8, Im going to be targeting a 500 deficit and trying out two consecutive fasting days on the weekend. And like you said I'm only shopping the perimeter of the store.

>I'm so fucking happy for you man, you're going to make it!
Thanks dude. You saved my fucking life. I feel better than I have in years, maybe even a decade.

>>42569335
Good on you sounds like you've got a plan thats working. How many days since you broke the fast? I'm curious what your blood sugar is now that you're eating.

>>42569327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk

Starvation mode is a myth

>>42569361
blood sugar levels are averaging 95-105 at night before bed, and Im getting that morning spike in the 130s. Im not too happy with my post prandial levels just yet but Ill see how they improve. I have my bigger meal first and a lighter meal later that way I dont have as long of a spike later.

how do you even fast unless youre a fucking neet
you cant work/study and generally concentrate on shit if youre starving

>inb4 im a nasa engineer and havent eaten for months

>>42569290
He isn't "respected" at all, he is a complete nobody in the scientific world and considered a quack by actual experts, if they even know him. He is only "respected" by clueless obese people on the internet who don't understand anything and have some sort of desire to prove their doctor wrong.

You say nephrologist like that would make somebody particularly qualified to talk about diabetes, weight loss or general human physiology. This may be news to you, but a nephrologist is actually a specialist in kidney disease who has not received any specialized higher education in diabetes or nutrition.

>"so i have too much sugar in my blood and Im supposed to eat high carbs?"
The reason you have too much sugar in your blood is because your liver is releasing too much of it, secondary to hepatic insulin resistance or problems with the pancreas. The reason to eat low-fat is that excess fat is toxic to the liver and pancreas, free fatty acids induce insulin resistance and weight loss causes liberation of free fatty acids that can and should spare dietary fat.

>"why eat carbs and raise my blood sugar in the first place?"
Starvation releases hundreds of grams of free fatty acids into the bloodstream every day, which can contribute to existing lipotoxicity in various organs. Some of them also have to be reesterified in the liver, which requires choline/betaine and methionine to export via VLDL - otherwise fat accumulates and causes fatty liver disease. Choline is not usually part of multivitamins and methionine is an amino acid, so for many reasons the MINIMUM for healthy weight loss is protein and a medical grade multivitamin stack, not over-the-counter shit.

Absence of insulin pulsations exacerbates insulin resistance in various tissues and insulin itself is therapeutic to insulin resistance via transcriptional and epigenetic cellular adaptations.

Carbs have to be consumed because high-fat diets are fantastically unhealthy on many levels.

>>42569388
Those arent bad, whats your indulin hes got you on?

>>42569403
No insulin whatsoever.

>>42569398
not nasa but engineer and i frequently do 4 day fasts. first day sucks but then i get used to it

>>42569400
this. my cousin gave herself diabetes amd thyroid problems doing some retarded high fat diet
theres lots of choline in eggs

>>42569416
Well in that case you're fucking golden dude! youre 90% of the way towards curing your diabetes! And you did it in only 30 days. I am genuinely impressed with those results.

Now that you're feeding again start kicking up the intensity of your workouts. Consider biking for cardio. its going to be a lot easier on your legs since you're still a fat fuck. And definitely get your ass into the gym and start lifting some heavy metal.

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>>42568593
>listening to chinaman doctors

>>42568762
Dumbshit. Say your tdee is 2800 cause obesity, it's a trillion times better to use raw willpower and eat balanced healthy meals totalling 1400 calories a day to lose weight than to STOP. EATING.

>>42569484
This guy fucks

>>42569499
reddit please leave

>>42569601
Not even once. Try again

>>42569604
with such shitty jokes/references, you should go (and stay) reddit

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>>42569618
>hurr durr I dont like a certain show so it is therefore shitty
>hurr muh opinion

>>42569623
please leave

>>42569625
Negative. Im here to stay you fat fuck.

>>42569604
Not the guy you're talking to but just leave anyways

>>42569640
Make me 2 chins

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>>42569649
Really nigga?

>>42569657
Ew nigger

>>42568792
stop (stop) ea ting

>>42569136
>consulting a doctor
Not even once. These people are just salesmen for big pharma and don't have a fucking clue.

>>42569400
t. Asshurt doctor mad that his schooling wasn't worth a fuck

How many diabetic /obese people have you cures, huh Hippocrates?

>>42569484
Except that a 1400 calorie diet will cut that 2800 TDEE in half and you'll plateau before much weight is lost. 1400 is a starvation mode diet, enjoy feeling cold and hungry all the time.

How do you balance fasting with having a social life?

>>42569864
>having a social life
normie detected
>>>/soc/

>>42569747
This is simply retarded. And there's a reason for why eating 2 weeks at maintenance is recommended after a long diet. So you restore your hormonal balance and then go back to dieting again. But this doesn't invalidate that a reduction in calories for a long time makes you lose weight. And yes, obviously, as you lose weight, your TDEE is going to lower, because less fat and less muscle requires less energy to sustain. It's not something "bad" that happens, and that's why you need to adjust according to your new weight at least once a week.
>Except that a 1400 calorie diet will cut that 2800 TDEE in half and you'll plateau before much weight is lost.
This is completely false, hundreds of athletes lose weight by counting calories and knowing their TDEE: it's true that metabolism slows down as you lose weight, but it's not the way Fung make it look like. You can achieve an enormous amount of weight loss just by counting calories.

>>42568656
>calories

You're stuck in 1950's while the rest of us are making MAD NATTY KETO IF GAINS

>>42569864
succ my dicc

>>42569956
>keto

wait people still follow this fad? kek

>>42569630
pls

>>42569691
You have to be 18 to post here

>>42569400
lol this is all broscience
liver? w/e dude

How do I know if I am diabetic or have high blood sugar? I'm a 20 year old skinnyfat that has a bad history of eating sweats.

>>42569400

Fuckin' lol! You act like you know so much about medicine, but you don't even realise that nephrologists are experts in diabetes - because diabetes (and hypertension) are the two biggest causes of End-Stage Kidney Disease.

Fucking moron.

>>42570039
drink a gallon of your pee. if that gives you diabetes, it means you had diabetes.

Tfw you can't fast because of seriously bad acid reflux

>>42570045
Fuckin' lol!
Fuckin' lol!
Fuckin' lol!

>>42569747
You're a fucking mongrel. TDEE is based incredibly heavily on musclemass and heigh, pretty much your overall mass. Do you honestly fucking think a 100 kg 6'5 dude will suddenly require half the fucking calories per day because he ate less.

You fucking dumbshits don't seem to get that simply HAVING muscles requires a set amount of food per day. And by your fucking mongoloid logic, if you actually go ahead and fast, your TDEE will suddenly be 0 calories per day after a few weeks and you will be unable to lose weight and only require water to survive, WITHOUT losing ANY weight.

>>42570165
>heigh
Heigh there! How are you today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0

>>42569950

Exactly. The biggest losers contestants put the weight back on because they eat more and stop exercising, not because they magically gain weight eating 1kcal a day.

>>42569950
>hundreds of athletes lose weight by counting calories
>using athletes as examples of how weight loss can occur for non-atheletes
You know how I know you're fucking retarded?

>>42569991
>Centuries old eating strategy
>fad
You know how I know you're fucking retarded?

lol it's like retarded meatheads love to pretend they're finally smart about something in their life, when obesity is exploding and you have no workable solutions lmao.

>>42570279
>>42570295
staring at the sun during an eclipse is gay

>>42570165
>suddenly require half the fucking calories per day because he ate less.
Fact: His REE will lower to match his consumption.

>>42570312
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>42570320
nod a argumend

>>42569327

>be you
>be skinnyfat
>care about "muscleloss"

kek

>>42569136
lel your doctor is an incompetent twatwaffle. Is he fat?

>>42569449
That's because your retard cousin thought she could have a cheat meal three times a day, teehee! And ate high fat foods on top of her regular daily pizzas and fried snickers bars. Of course the dumb bitch is going to die.

>>42569484
>muh balanced diet

"balanced" is nothing but a meme

>>42569747
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS STARVATION MOOD!

>>42570165
Bitch, if he's overweight he's safe to fast and LCHF until he's a normal weight.

>>42569136
And that's why you should never trust JewPharma.

Doc wanted to put you on insulin because that's $$$, and that's all you are to him.

>>42568656
No, but starving yourself will see quicker results

>>42570295
>literally designed to treat drug resistant epilepsy
>centuries old
Yeah, no. Also, it's not like something old is necessarily good; read a book nigga

>>42569144
He doesn't even care to pretend to be remotely neutral on this thing, no mention of nutrient deficiency.

>>42569747
IMO it is easier to stop eating altogether than to eat half your TDEE, it just makes you hungrier afterwards.

>>42569398
Im the anon who posted his vitals after a 30 day fast. I know its just an anecdote, but after the fourth day my mind went clear. I'm a glorified code monkey and I found everything just flowing so much easier. And I had this hyper intense laser like focus on the task at hand. I found it incredibly easy to focus and did not get distracted as easily.

And before the fast I had gotten roped into reading Game of Thrones. it took me three months to finish two books. I easily finished the other 5 in the set I bought before the fast was over. I could sit down with the book and read nonstop all night long. While before I was lucky to get an hour of reading before I was yawning and ready to fall asleep and strugling to keep interested.

Is alternating days, eating after strength training and fasting on cardio days better than 16/8? Is it easier to manage? I started cutting, targeting about 1500-1700 kcal/day but I get very hungry between meals and before sleeping. Shooting for 30/35/35 distribution of carbs/fat/protein.

>>42568825
This is ancient wisdom dating back to China's Ping Pong dynasty

>>42569691
>Not even once. These people are just salesmen for big pharma and don't have a fucking clue.
I'm starting to get the feeling thats the case. When I told him I was going to use fasting to cure my diabetes he laughed and said diabetes isn't curable and I'll be dependant on exogenous insulin for the rest of my life to control blood sugar. "No one gets rid of their insulin dependace."

When he came in to see me on my 30 day checkup he took my blood pressure again even though the nurse had just done it. "well at least you're not dead." He checked out my heart and lungs, felt around my nodes and commented that there was no inflamation like the last time.

Then he said "well we'll get the blood drawn to see just how bad you're treating your body"

The nurse comes in. She was incredibly supportive, said I was looking much better, and even said my complexion was much better and even pointed out she had written down in my chart that my acne and rosacea was cleared up. I had to look in the mirror because I hadn't even noticed that.

>>42569864
>how do you balance fasting with having a social life
I just ordered water at the bar and still had a good time. When the coworkers went out to wings on Mondays I just had water and enjoyed their company. Sure there was talk about how I was INSANE to not be eating for 30 whole days, but everyone was generally supportive. The first wing night was day 3 and the temptation was so bad I had to excuse myself and leave the restaraunt. After day 4 I wasnt even hungry and had no problems being around food.

As to going forward Ill just plan my fasts around social events. Ive been eating breakfast and lunch. So if its monday Ill just skip breakfast so I can have wings after work. Im planning on fasting on both weekend days but one weekend a month we have dinner at dad's so ill just fast friday and saturday instead.

>>42572542
sheesh are all murrican doctors like that? no wonder your healthcare is so hopeless

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>>42568593
>listened to Lord Fung and reduced portion sizes
>start seeing results after 1 week
This man isn't fucking around.

>>42570039
Ask your pharmacist if they can check your A1C.

When I was picking up my aunts medication I asked the pharmacist about fasting for diabetes. He said hes read good things about. So I told him my situation and that I was on day 13.
>"OOH! Lets test your A1C and see how you're looking."
He pulled me over to consultation area and we tested it, was 11.2

Guys, is taking a isotonic drink enough for the minerals we need while fasting? Does it need to be a 0 kcal one?

>>42569398
you belly goes smaller then you wont feel need to eat more often than usual.

>>42570039
Blood sugar meters are pretty cheap at the drug store.

You want to test your fasting blood glucose, and also try to do an oral glucose tolerance test.

>>42572154
There's only 5 released ASOIAF books and 2 more planned. Did you beat down GRRM's fat ass to get a hand on the unedited versions of Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring?

>>42570039
>eating sweats
gross anon

>>42569398
Another anon who fasts here.

Fasting improves my mood even.

I do 48 or 72 hours fasting, depends on how I feel. Not because of weight loss or anything, but because it actually makes me feel better and think better.
And I study. While fasting I study better, I concentrate better, I read more.

You're probably another modern retard who thinks that not eating every four hours is "starving". "OH MY GOD, I'M STARVING, I DIDN'T EAT FOR 4 HOURS! AAAAH".

Kill yourself.

>>42572542
It doesn't change the fact that starvation is unhealthy, dangerous and unnecessary you gullible, thick-headed numbnuts. No shit losing weight improves diabetes and general health, what a fucking revelation. It takes a real lack of connection to reality to ascribe that to starvation rather than weight loss - we call that fat logic.

>>42569400
>because high-fat diets are fantastically unhealthy on many levels.
Healthier than high-carb diets.

>>42572841
>You're probably another modern retard who thinks that not eating every four hours is "starving".
>I do 48 or 72 hours fasting
Mate it sounds like you starve yourself to me.

>>42572967
fasting is controlled starvation. Starving implies you ate up your body fat due to lack of nutrients and started eating on your lean mass, due to unfortunate circumstances. 48 h isnt enough to starve yourself unless you are a hungry skeleton.

>>42570165
>>42570312
6'6" here, got all the way down to 170 pounds with very few plateaus and my mapped out weight loss had an R^2 value above 0.9.
TDEE only went down with the actual weight loss, like you would expect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhLIsFFsPAA

>>42573201
can you guys answer >>42572743
or tell me what's necessary to consume while fasting?

>>42568593
How long can I fast for? Should I eat once or twice a week? Should I just drink water to sustain myself?

>>42568792
Eat less
Lift the same

>>42573498
i think you're supposed to have potassium, sodium and magnesium while fasting.

>>42570821
brass, balls

>>42573580
>Squat 4pl8
>with no food

HAHAHAHAHAAHA

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>>42569202
>chicken broth from the coffee machine

>>42572814
i got this book set at the used book store.
https://www.amazon.com/Game-Thrones-7-Book-Box-Set-Song-Ice-Fire-George-R-R-Martin/dp/B01B801LOY

>>42573688

Yeah bro all that fat people have is useless, doesn't actually give you energy when it's burned.

Unless you squat 4pl8 every time you stand up, in which case you have nothing to lose.

>retards claim that "there's no money to be made in not eating"
>Jason fung has 4 fucking books

He's literally selling you unconfirmed science and risking your health. The fact that no one else has confirmed his works should tell you something about the credibility

>>42573825
You are really deluded if you think you can lift heavy with absolutely no intake.

>>42572412
hory shit

Fung's science is plain wrong BUT fasting is still one of the best things you can do for health.

I cured my prediabates and my mothers full on diabetes she had for 6 years just by doing 20/4 fasting schedule.
At every point doctors were opposed to it but at the end they were speechless.

Other benefits include getting rid of acne and maintaining a lean body.
Seriously mom can enjoy fucking cake or whatever as long as its once a day. We werent meant to stuff food down our throaths 24/7

You go to the doc if you need surgery or antibiotics. But they dont know shit about human nutrition.

>>42573498
I limit the people Im training to no more than 14 day fasts. The anon who did the 30 day got spectacular blood labs as a result. But there's risks associated with fasts that long like mineral depletion. Im sure that risk was mitigated with vitamins, but its not a good approach IMO.

Every fat fuck I've put on fasting gets to day 12 or 14 and starts talking about going longer but I strongly work to discourage it because the risk of re-feeding syndrome increases beyond 14 days.

I encourage a two week re-feed based on the petimeter of the store, not worrying about calories and eating to satiety in a 16:8 window. I still observe overall weightloss during this period even after the initial gain. Appetite control being regained from that 14 day fast is the biggest contributing factor to this weightloss despite ad-libitum eating IMO.

After a two week refeed I'll allow another fast if they want to do it again. otherwise Ill switch them to two non-consecutive fasting days during the week.

>>42569327
starvation mode occurs when you are on a calorie restricted diet where you are still eating. it basically tricks the brain into thinking more food is coming so insulin spikes and when no food comes it thinks you are starving, ups some hormones and you lose muscle.

fasting doesn't do this.

>>42573870
why is it unconfirmed? fasting isn't a new thing anon

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>>42568593

>>42569136
You went a month? How?

>>42574025
probably by not eating

I'd just like one of you meme fasting guys to post your progress picture, I fucking dare you so we can all laught at you. And I'm not talking about the IF guys, I'm talking about the 1 week+ dumbasses

I love fasting esp doing very long steady state cardio.On every sunday I would go for a hoke at the state park by me and walk for about 8 hours total.I didnt eat before but brought alot of water by doing this I got lean quick but actually felt good

>>42573870
>no one else has confirmed this works
I'm just a piece of shit gym rat who has gotten 31 fatass hamplanets down to healthy weights. all but one were over 280lbs. and ALL of them were diabetics or had metabolic syndrome.

Every single diabetic, whether they had been treating it for years or only found out when I made them get their bloodwork done were off of their diabetic medications permanently after either one or two 2week fasting periods.

even the fatest of them who was still 400lbs after his second fast only had pre-diabetic levels of faating glucose in the morning.


But you're right. it's all just bullshit psuedoscience and they're just statistical outliers who are anomalous.

>>42573870
>Literally buy none of his books and just watch free youtube videos.
>lose 70lbs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
It was so fucking easy tell me how mad you are?

>>42574025
I was only going to do a week and then go on anon's "perimeter diet" and IF. But after that first week I felt so amazing and decided to keep going.

After two weeks I still felt great and that a1c test the pharmacist gave me was encouraging enough to go for a full month.

I figured the results were good enough to keep me off insulin at 30 days so I quit the fast then.

I honestly thought I was going to starve the entire time. but after the fourth day I didn't have a single hunger twinge even once.

I used to think about food nonstop and trying to avoid snacking at work was exhausting. But that fast just made it stop. Even now that im eating again im not thinking about food until its time to eat.

>>42574090
You know feel what your ancestors felt a few thousand years ago

They only eat at night after a hunt, and they spend long days hiking, hunting, wit little to no food.

>>42574043
the ONLY people who should be fasting for 1+ weeks are fatass fastashamplanets and those with metabolic syndrome symptoms.

Lean fitizens who lift and exercise should only intermittent fast, with the ocassional one day fast mixed in to control bodyfat%. anything more than that diminishes muscle building capacity.

And no one is promoting extended fastimg periods to anyone but the fat fucks who need it to reset their shitty appetite control, and insulin.

eat stop eat niggers
2 days of fasting per week really isn't hard

i wanna incorporate IF into my life, but don't know how. do i fast on rest days? my "concern" is that body builds muscle when you're resting, so how the fuck can it build muscle if i'm fasting on rest days

>>42574831
If you set aside a weekend or something where you fast, I would ease up on the lifting a day or two beforehand. It's also not something I would do every week.

>>42574831
if you want to do IF what would your window be? 20/4? then you would eat in the 4 hours before your exercise making sure you are getting sufficient protein and then fast the rest of the day i guess? maybe you want to eat only for 4 hours in the morning and then fast the rest of the day even on rest days

>>42574831
for IF just stick to 16:8 and meet your TDEE.

if you need to lose weight then throw a day of fasting in once a week to start. you can up it two non-consecutive days if you want to lose more weight.

on fasting days do all the cardio you want. If you want to lift then lift light to moderate, no heavy lifts.

>>42573196
>6'6"
>got down to 170

Wtf that's actual Auschwitz mode. What are you doing anon? Eat a goddamn sandwich

>>42569136
Physician here...

The physician you saw only said this because he had to say what wouldn't get him sued. We all recommend a strict low calorie diet to 1000kcal deficit to reverse diabetes. Pure fasting might lead to you passing out and hitting your head and then suing me so I can't tell you that shit. Honestly if you want physicians to tell you the truth about medicine STOP FUCKING SUING US.

What I tell my family and what I tell me patients are VERY different.

>>42575679
This is the honest to god truth. Physicians often can offer you the most effective solution because clients often can't accept any risk.

Well, most can, but enough can't and will fucking sue that it's not worth it to go the extra mile for clients.

>>42575747
*Physicians often can't

I "fast" without planning to. As in I go 10 hours without eating and shit, just let the hunger pass while playing games.
COMPLETELY fucks with my progress at the gym.

>>42575679
>>42575747
Thats fine and dandy. And I accept what you're saying as the gods honest truth because it is the truth.

But that ISN'T what happened to that anon and don't insult our fucking intelligence by insisting it was.

His doctor outright told him that he CANT CURE his diabetes with fasting. An outright demonstrable LIE. It was how the greeks and roman cured 'sweet urine' for centuries and the doctor lied about it.

If his doctor was concerned about the risks then he shpuld have discussed those risks instead of patently lying tp him. Exactly how many of his patients has he told diabetes is incurable and that they'd be on exogenous insulin until the day they die? Dont pretend like this isnt a fucking problem.

>>42573787
The one series that benefits from splitting up the bigger books. Sexy set/10

>>42575863
Are you retarded?
Spoiler: yes

It's exactly what physicianbro said. If OP's doc had said "yes fasting will cure your diabeetus" then OP would have gone full retard and fasted for the rest of his life, died, and then his family would sue because he was just following what the doctor said.

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>>42568593
when cutting i literally eat once a day
1200 kcal and im fine

>>42575584
I don't have body dismorphia so believe me when I tell you I have absolutely no muscle and just fat.
I lived one of the most sedentary lives you could have, might as well lose the fat when there is no muscle there.
Weirdly enough I have better endurance than most, I've been hiking literal mountains and normies get out of breath so easily, so at least I have that.
Going to the gym next week after being here for years.

fasting is for people who literally don't even lift

>>42576078
how much protein a day? Around 150g i guess? Do you still lift heavy?

>>42575863
It is a problem but stop taking it personally like your intelligence is being attacked, doctors are highly educated and know that fasting could work for some but like hell would they suggest it.
This is how it is in many professions, you can't get the person's true educated opinion because of fear of lawsuit.

It sucks but it's how the law works, it's not that the doctor should of sat him down and told him the risks, it's that the environment should allow this but it does not.
If a fatass gets injured he can sue his ass.

If you think this is bad how pissed are you going to get when you know that a lot of deaths in the hospital can be avoided but are not prevented on purpose?
If saving a life would cost too much money, take too much time, or risk a lawsuit they WILL let them die.
My entire family is in the medical field of varying degrees (doctors, nurses) and each of them have been more or less ordered to let people die.

>tfw my brother goes down south when he first became a nurse
>fat guy has heart surgery
>fat guy isn't checked for fluids in or around heart
>fatty shows symptoms indicating there are fluids
>doctor refuses to drain it or lets him die

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>>42570039
Drink your pee. If it's sweet you have beetus. Not memeing

>>42570279
are you fucking stupid? this works for the average guy, you have clearly not counted calories, if you had, then you wouldn't be here talking shit.

The laws of physics apply to everyone you fucking neanderthal not only to athletes.

I have visible abs, shit out perfect form sets of 20 push/pull ups with no effort every day and am currently browsing this thread at 12:00 breaking my IF with a block of chocolate.
Mad, fatties?

>>42568792

>early bulking experiments, wichita falls athletic club, circa 1983 (colorized)

>>42568593
This is a serious question should I even bother with fasting if I drink like 1/4 or 1/2 liters vodka almost everyday?
I am okay with not eating but alcohol is on my mind all the time

>>42573885
Have you ever tried it? Have you ever tried lifting on an empty stomach? The people who make these claims are the ones who have never fucking tried it. I have BTW and I lift the same weights just fine.

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>>42579743
lel

>>42568593
No, fuck you! I've got an FFMI of 18 and a bodyfat of 12%, if there's one thing I should do it's eat!

>>42570673
Considering Lyle Mcdonald wrote an excellent book on keto's application in bodybuilding and generally getting lean before you could even read, I'd say you're the one who needs to read a book.

>>42578819
you will die fast from dehydration i guess

>>42568593
>STOP
>FUCKING
>EATING
>SUGAR

fixed that for you.

>>42570279

You're a mongoloid who can't count calories. It's not hard and it works.

It's absolutely pathetic that you can't put down the fork without extreme, dangerous dieting.