WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE VEGANS?

>>42549496
There are very few people I hate. Hate is mostly a waste of energy.

>>42549503
You are truly dedicated to your bulk!

>>42549539
I love you, buddy.

>>42549496
But I don't.

>>42549555
Yeah u do

Most of them experience cognitive dissonance when vegans are even mentioned so they start getting aggressive as a defense mechanism.

>>42549496
Don't hate.. more like feel sad for them

I mostly just dislike anyone who has a look at me attitude and tries to feel morally superior towards others for subjective reasons.

They (or at least some of them) believe human and animal life is of equal value.

>>42549830
What if it's like a dog that can do really sick skateboard tricks.

>>42549830
A lot of vegans do not make the argument, just because a human life is more valuable than an animal doesn't mean you get to needlessly stab animals to death for your taste pleasure.

Am I still vegan if I tongue punch that lovely ladies brapbox?

>>42550039
no, this is worse than killing animals

>>42549496
Because there wasnt any VeganGeneral threads when I first started coming here, there was a time when they didn't need to advertise

>>42550044
So what do I do lads ?

>>42550074
Eating out women is beta, alphas only fuck women or get BJs

>>42550024
>needlessly
What kind of moronic thing to say is that?
There is obviously a reason as to why one would kill an animal if they want to eat it afterwards.

>>42550099
Real alphas get women to eat them out

>>42549496
Hating them imply I think about them outside of the handful of shit flinging threads that pop up on /fit/.

Nobody would have a problem with vegans if they weren't the Jehovah's Witnesses of the diet world.

>>42550145
The needless part is you don't need to eat the flesh to live a healthy life. Maybe you should think for one second before you throw out terms like "moronic".
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

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>>42549496

Because they claim veganism is a "cure-all" and then look like this while pretending to be healthy. They only tell you the good parts and ignore or brush over all the bad things. It's not a diet to them, it's a religion.

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https://youtu.be/8_CXwa-_5Uk

There is a reason why every vegan you see is so weak, scrawny, and dumb. There is a reason why Alzheimer's rates are increasing, start eating more high-fat high-c meats.

>>42549496
I dont mind vegans, It just annoys me when other people try to impose their beliefs on me.

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>>42550309
Not him, but what about taste? I love eating meat.

>>42550309
yeah cause the federal government is so trustworthy lmao

>>42549503
Same here, brah. Why would I waste my calories on hating when I could spend them all wisely getting massive?

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>>42550373

>doctor that spends his time researching and lecturing doesn't have the body of a lifter

hmm, really makes you think huh?


Enjoy your limp dick, heart attacks and beetus, you fat ass healthlet.

>>42550455
If it is ok to cause suffering and harm for taste, would that justify a rape of someone.
What if someone ass raped you and went before the judge and said "What about pleasure? I love sex"?

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>>42550497
Animals are subservient to man and animal consumption is a part of human development. You are kidding yourself if you think you can live without animal products.

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>>42550484

Why so defensive? Did I push your buttons?

He doesn't just not "have the body of a lifter", he has the body of a sick child, he's malnourished.

>>42549539
KEK

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>>42550543
His body is quite literally cannibalizing itself.

>>42550424
watch the doc, but I'd be warned it goes a tad bit off-course at the end, but from the beginning-to-middle it's very informative.

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>>42549496
>Why

...

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Because they keep making these shitty vegan generals that are nothing but them showing utter contempt for anyone that
doesn't follow their shitty meme diet cult and attempting to try to convince others into following their meme diet by arguing until
they're blue in the face like the autistic troglodytes they are.

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>>42550562
>>42550373
Notice how weak and malnourished they are.

This is Clement Meric, a French ANTIFA member. He was killed by one hit by a skinhead, do you think he ate a lot of healthy and vital fatty meats and the like?

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>>42550583
Regardless of your political beliefs, you KNOW he had an awful diet.

>>42550539
First part is a might makes right argument.
Second part, rape is a part of human development doesn't justify it now.
Third part is just silly, many people live without animal products.

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>>42550619
How so? Do you use the telephone, do you fly in airplanes? Do you take supplements of any kind? I assume you have bad short-term memory (don't lie). Now, it is true that one can live without consuming the flesh of the animals, even though I have no idea why that Is desirable with it's links to cancer and memory loss, but you can not live, in the modern world, without taking advantage of animal products.

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http://roogirl.com/20-everyday-items-that-contain-animal-ingredients/

>>42550619
You don't brush your teeth I hope, or use protection, you'd be raping an animal.

>>42550648
I'm assuming you are referring to birds being killed by planes and towers, do you not understand the difference in intent? This is why there is a distinction between accidents and stabbing someone. It is very clear that we should have laws that charge people with murder when they intentionally run people over with cars, but also accept that some people will die from car accidents. Also please link lack of eating animal flesh with cancer and memory loss studies.
>>42550667
Sure there are animal byproducts used in everyday products we use, but they are not slaughtering the animals so they can use this one small part in condoms, they just use it because it is cheap. Not eating animal food products which is the reason why they breed and slaughter animals will run the demand, and so there will be less byproducts and manufacturers will just use alternatives.

I don't give a fuck about animals but I like the way they taste, and vegans want to take that from me. Fuck it, the vegans want to save the cows, I'll just eat vegans instead

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>>42550619
Go out tonight and take a loved one or friend to a nice, non-vegan, eatery and help yourself too good, nourishing, and filling meats. I would suggest learning how to cook meats yourself, and I would try to low-quality meats.

>>42550716
But we are slaughtering animals for products other than condoms, you are foolish to think a human can live without the use of animal products, taken from an animals death. There are products taken from the death of a cow in Hydraulic fuel used by airplanes.

>>42550738
You clearly misunderstand veganism, it is reducing suffering as much as reasonably possible. You are trying to justify eating something you don't need to eat by saying "BUT MUH ANIMAL BYPRODUCTS IN x". See my supply and demand argument above, those products can easily be replaced if there was less supply and demand for animals being slaughtered, they are not killing the animals for the byproduct in fuel, it could easily be synthesized.

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https://www.treehugger.com/green-food/9-everyday-products-you-didnt-know-had-animal-ingredients.html


http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-13670184


>>42550776
You are wrong, and now you are moving goalposts. I don't really care if I appear right to you I only care that people don't fall into the vegan trap.

>>42550776
Any degree of animal suffering is justified by even the most insignificant of human gains

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>>42550809
No. When a nigger goes out, and beats up random cats in his neighborhood for a primal pleasure, is that justified by his benefits?

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>>42550562
>implying this nigga is not healthy as fuck

>>42550798
How am I moving the goalpost? That was the first time I defined veganism and it's a very common definition.
https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

>>42550821
Yes. The only reason it's not tollerated is because it causes other people to feel bad. I shoot cats when I'm out hunting, because the eat the quail I want to kill, and guess what, nobody gives a fuck because I didn't do it where children could see and get upset

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>>42550838
Then it is a useless frivolity, it's akin to a rapist saying he won't rape any girl from a family with a single-parent household because that'd be "too" cruel. Just remember, despite media lies you are much more likely to get cancer, memory loss, low test.

>>42550848
Do you eat the cats? I've eaten cat before, wasn't a fan of it.

Stop avatarfagging

>>42549496
I like them. I just don't like the ones that try to force their lifestyle onto you. Like how people don't like religious people telling them how to live.

>>42550864
Again, you are using animal byproducts that are used because otherwise they would have gone to waste and are cheap and have no effect on the supply of animals to justify eating meat which is the reason animals are bred and slaughtered.
Again you have medical claims with no evidence.

>>42550864
No. I eat deer, turkey, and quail, but hogs, cats, and coons go to the gut pit, and I hang the coyote corpses from the trees.

>>42550900
lmao no enjoy cancer and Alzheimer's vegan faggot I hope not crying every time you see a burger is worth forgetting how to eat your greens

>>42550912
Know any good recipes for coon? Where to buy it?

>>42550923
Do you have any links to back up your alzheimers and cancer claims or have you forgot to post them after being repeatedly asked, you may wanna get that short term memory checked out bro.

>>42550923
I don't eat coon, I meant a literal pit in the ground where I put the corpses along with deer guts/skin

How do you know that someone is a vegan?
>They'll tell you about it within the first 5 seconds of meeting.

>>42550964
That's funny because I have noticed that meat eaters can't stop talking about eating meat and making jokes about vegans.

>>42549496
It goes against evolution, science, and common sense. Cooked meat is what spurred our cognitive evolution, it's nutrients are literally essential and the only reason were the species we are today. Plus even plants have been found to be sentient, the "morality" but isn't actually moral at all

>>42551030
>Plus even plants have been found to be sentient
>plants have been found to be sentient
>plants
>sentient

>>42550562
God his skin looks fucking horrible wtf

>>42551048
She a biological female,I am vegan, but injecting yourself with testosterone doesn't not make you a man.

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>>42550039
>Am I still vegan if I tongue punch that lovely ladies brapbox?

How DARE assume xers gender!!

>>42550543

>64 year old

gee i wonder why he's not a 10/10

Nice try, fatty.

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sister couldn´t get pregnant or miscarriages on her vegan diet for 2 year
goes vegetarian
suddenly becomes pregnant

vegan is just for hardcore autist that count their protein and mineral supply

>>42551177
MUH ANTIDOTE

>>42549539
jej

>>42550309
>The needless part is you don't need to eat the flesh to live a healthy life.
>needless
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?zx=d5dda1729c623110
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>>42550373
>It's not a diet to them, it's a religion.
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
>>42550484
>Enjoy your limp dick, heart attacks and beetus, you fat ass healthlet.
Enjoy your memes.
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285

>>42551177
That is a ftm, new fag

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>>42551284

Here he is, the autist with the blog spam.


They're not any more credible than they were the last 50 times you posted them. Scoot on outta here.

If I had the opportunity to attack a vegan in some of these protest/rally situations - I would gladly sign up.

Politics are bullshit. I would never march in some protest for some dumb statue or politician.

I will only march for my right to eat a sentient beeeeeiiinnnggg.

Beating a vegan would bring me too much joy. If there were pictures of me beating up vegans I would make posters and put them on my wall like I hit a home run or an awesome slam dunk.

>>42551284
Here is a quote from the first link
"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
Maybe you should read your links,
Next two links are not academic so you I am not going to read what any idiot with a blog has to say.
The third link makes no conclusions about vegans or vegetarians and and says in the discussion that they found no positive links between animal fat and hormones, and fiber increased testosterone and increased protein intake helped elder men with testosterone.
Though I enjoy reading I am going to stop here, because it is clear you did not read any of them evident by the fact you linked a pro-vegan link in your first article.

>>42551284
Makes fun of vegans for bad memory, then posts article about how vegans have health benefits against chronic disease in your first article.
Are you fucking serious mate? Just stop posting you look like a clown.

bbbbrrpt

>>42551383
>Here he is, the autist with the blog spam.
Here he is, the idiot that doesn't read
>They're not any more credible than they were the last 50 times you posted them.
You refusing to read them doesn't make then not credible
>Scoot on outta here.
Keep shitposting and stay mad

>>42551474
Your first link is promoting veganism at being beatifically and healthy at every stage of life, and most of the links are the blogs. Just admit you are wrong, because you look like a fucking idiot.
Googling "VEGANISM UNHEALTHY" and posting the first 20 links without reading them isn't discrediting vegans, it's discrediting you for things like my first point.

>>42551408
>Maybe you should read your links
>so you I am not going to read what any idiot with a blog has to say.
>I am going to stop here,because it is clear you did not read any of them evident by the fact you linked a pro-vegan link in your first article.
>>42551418
>then posts article about how vegans have health benefits against chronic disease in your first article.
>Are you fucking serious mate? Just stop posting you look like a clown.
>>42551506
>Your first link is promoting veganism at being beatifically and healthy at every stage of life
>Your
>Just admit you are wrong, because you look like a fucking idiot.
>Googling "VEGANISM UNHEALTHY" and posting the first 20 links without reading them isn't discrediting vegans, it's discrediting you for things like my first point.

>Anons that don't read this much lecturing others about reading.
And how are you retards posting here yet can't figure out what responding to a post is
>>42550309
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
>>42551284
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

>>42551048
Communism does that to you

>>42549496
whats the best vegan protein I can get on prozis?

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>>42549496
how can you even HOPE to satisfy this without at least an 8x6? you might think that you came prepared but them buttcheeks gonna test you, b r e h s

>>42550024
Go home richard/that other dude who always says 'stab to death' like a fucking autist

>>42549496
I'm mostly apathetic to vegans. Super preachy social media vegans who pretend eating meat is on par with killing people and constantly virtue signal about their diets, or those who act like "What the Health" was anything other than trash need to be gassed though.

>>42550305
I was about to suggest a new term for non-dogmatic vegans, then curiously googled the term's origin and found this

>"I invited my early readers to suggest a more concise word to replace "non-dairy vegetarian." Some bizarre suggestions were made like "dairyban, vitan, benevore, sanivore, beaumangeur", et cetera. I settled for my own word, "vegan", containing the first three and last two letters of "vegetarian"—"the beginning and end of vegetarian." The word was accepted by the Oxford English Dictionary and no one has tried to improve it."

IF IT COMES FROM VEGETARIAN, WHY IS IT PRONOUNCE WITH A HARD G AND E?
IT'S GIF ALL OVER AGAIN

>>42550735
ew, they'd be so stringy

>>42549496
I don't. In fact, I don't think about them at all until one of these retarded threads come up or until they start to talk about how being vegan is the greatest thing since fighting Communists. I don't care if you ate literal shit, just don't tell me about it. Also, don't try to tell me that vegans can exist without supplements or that vegans get just as much protein as regular people. Just stop.

>>42550964

And they don't even need to because they've all got the scrawny, weird vegan look.

I plan on going vegan at some point

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>>42551938
>And they don't even need to because they've all got the scrawny, weird vegan look

>>42551860
Eating meat is morally on a par with torturing animals for fun.

>>42551566
>>42551613
Learn to use greentext you fucking retard, you have the formatting of a monkey throwing a banana repeatedly at a keyboard.

>>42551408
is english your first language wtf?

they look so weak and sickly but say that it's really healthy.

In the past i've looked up whether or not vegans and vegetarians live longer and they don't.

>>42552065
>not torturing animals for fun
never gonna make it

>>42552513
What is wrong with his English?

>>42552540
The vegans I met don't look sickly but they do sport. I think a lot of vegans are just guys that dislike physical excercise which is why they look like that. If they do and it's not just based on cherry picked photos you saw.

>>42550054
But those are troll-threads, though. I'm vegan and I never participate in them because it's such an obvious troll. And the more it triggers /fit/ the funnier it is for the trolls.

>>42550648
>you can not live, in the modern world, without taking advantage of animal products.
True, seeing as they are ubiquitous. No way to eliminate it 100%. But don't use Nirvana fallacy; just because a perfect result is impossible does not mean that it's not worth doing the best possible. For example, we will never get 100% rid of crime, but laws and cops are still good ideas and we still need to try and prevent as much crime as possible.

Also, something being practically unavoidable does not make it ethically right. Products of human slavery, or suffering in general, are allso ubiquitous and pretty much unavoidable. Human suffering is still bad, just unfortunatley not completely avoidable.

>>42551734
>how can you even HOPE to satisfy this without at least an 8x6?
With an 7x6, insatiable hunger for eating ass, and lots and lots of endurance due to cardio and a VEGAN DIET lmao

>>42551861
FUCK ME! It's supposed to be "vejan"????

>>42553549
Yeah I think it's a lifestyle thing. If you're into fitness you usually follow wellknown dietary advice, which means lots of meat for lifters. Meanwhile, people who go vegan are usually hipsters and liberals, completely uninterested in physical excercise. It's just two different lifestyles lived by two different kinds of people, and it rarely overlaps. So there's correlation but not causation basically.

Also veganism is a difficult diet. You can fuck up BADLY if you don't pay attention. Even though I'm vegan myself, and even though it matters to me, I've advised two different vegans friends to give it up and go vegetarian because they just could not be careful and mind their diets and take supplements, and where going sick as a result. I'm completely fine myself after 5+ years but I get yearly bloodwork done and I'm not retarded.

>>42550562
>reverse google to figure out what im looking at
>now im even more confused

My gf is vegan. I wasn't against veganism until she decided to be and I started to learn more about how most vegans practice. this day and age vegan food companies mass produce imitation products of any type of animal based food source imaginable and most vegans rely on these products to satisfy their meat, dairy, and egg based cravings. So instead of embracing the true purpose of the diet and eating clean strictly plant-based foods, (which I'm all for) most vegans subsist on these artificial, factory produced, imitation processed food garbage to get by, and half the time they don't even know what it's made out of. It's usually soy+a dozen obscure chemicals. Kind of defeats the purpose.

>>42556112
While I agree that plant-based is superior to eating mock-meat bullshit, the "true purpose" is actually to avoid killing animals, and for some people that means eating stuff that tastes as if it was an animal but isn't. Freaks me out desu, but to each their own.

>>42552653
>"academic so you I am"

>"clear you did not read any of them evident by"

>What is wrong with his English?

really son?

>>42550145
Having a reason isn't the same as having a need. You could easily survive eating non-meat food, therefore you don't NEED to eat meat.

>>42551640
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>>42550562
>>42550583
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>>42556672
you know what this little faggot sure does look gay but atleast he is trying

>>42556696
"Trying" is a strong word for whatever that is.

>>42556696
Yeah, he's trying to snap his back by using the smith machine

>>42552034
this is definitely what comes to mind when someone mentions a vegan body

>>42556112
So you think it's stupid to eat food that don't require the torture and animal murder to eat just because it is as unhealthy as "the real thing"

Really makes you think

>>42556696
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>>42556777
>he
It was born a woman, got surgery to give itself a penis, and then got surgery again to give itself a vagina. It then got pregnant while being a vagina-man because it never had its womb removed.

Social Justice was a mistake.

I hate vegans because they are political faggots most of the time. I can appreciate the health benefits from less consumption of meat. I was vegetarian in 2012 because of Scooby. And it is pretty good. Ovo-lacto vego is where it's at.

But veganism isn't about health. It's about politics. You know from the way the way we get shilled hard. I never had any political agenda when I stopped eating meat. I just did it, kept my mouth shut and when I was offered meat, I simply said I wasn't hungry. By extension, I'm sure many people on /fit/ have been in a situation where food was offered to them that didn't work with their macros and were able to get out of it without seeming like an autistic vegan.

If vegans can be like I was when I was ovo-lacto then nobody would hate them. But they can't. It's a political diet. Not a health one.

>>42550776
Veganism is retarded bro
-t. Vegetarian

>>42549747
health is objective

This thread is why I hate vegans

>Peanuts from continental U,S
>Quinoa from Peru
>Rice from China
>One specific vegetable from India
>Potatoes from Ireland

>Veganism is totally natural guys

I don't mind vegans but I hate it when they use the "natural way to live" meme

>>42556824
>and then got surgery again to give itself a vagina.
Wtf

>>42552065
>torturing
Maybe if you live in a shit-tier country. Where I'm from they don't feel a thing.

>>42550619
You're damn right Might does make right

ew imagine how much that cow shits

>>42550373
>they claim veganism is a "cure-all" and then look like this while pretending to be healthy
son you need education

>>42551030
literally all of this is false. congrats

>>42551177
>cheese got my sister pregnant
>omnivores, 2017

>>42550821
We said human come on anon

>>42559269
>You need a balanced diet as an omnivore for everything to function properly
>This triggers the vegan

>>42550562
Please keep in mind this is what a ABOVE average vegan looks like

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>>42556112

>>42560295
>"I like how seitan tastes"
>"then eat real meat"
What the fuck? I don't get it.

>>42560295
I don't understand the last sentence, the fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>42556672
Kek, that smug look in the first rep gets me every time. What a dorky little creature, I hope s/he's happy.

>>42560295
idgi

>>42550562
Is the communist icing photoshopped?

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>>42556824
>tfw this is what transmen actually look like but the media would have you think they all look like Buck Angel

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>>42549503

I am therefore I hate. The world is so god damn full of assholes who are fucking cancerous.

>>42560362
It's a medley of autistic Omni rationalizations for eating meat

>>42549496
Vegans aren't people

>>42550562
This is actually a ftm

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>>42552034
>hate on 'healthlets' for not being vegan
>proceed to post a steroid user as an example of good vegan bodies
Up your B12 supplements

>>42560362
It's a <insert random excuse to keep eating meat even though the vegan backed me into a corner> made of the following excuses:
>Yeah even if you are vegan you would still kill animals to survive if you were stranded in a deserted island with only pigs and a knife
>cows have to be milked otherwise they would get mastitis so by drinking milk I'm doing them a favor
>vegans don't get enough protein
>our ancestors ate meat so we should eat meat
>>42560445
It portrays why the
>Vegans eat mock meat and cheese so they are hypocrites and they might as well just eat the real thing
Is a stupid statement to make
>>42560340
What exactly don't you get?

I try not to be a preachy vegan, and that usually winds up with me being a closet vegan for as long as that'll hold out.

It does make me happy that people around me seem to respond anyway. Again, I don't bring it up and I try not to even say the v-word, but I notice people around me do actually change their habits just a little bit and eat more vegetarian-ish just by merit of my silent example. I'm super self-conscious that this even makes me happy and honestly hope I haven't forced people to change by being an imposition, but it really is validating after 7 years to see it. And I don't want to assume that people even give enough of a fuck about what I do to imitate me, but I have noticed a lot of people telling me that they're going vegetarian or mostly vegetarian. It would make me really happy if I actually made that much of a difference.

Lacto-ovo is totally easy mode, though.

>>42550024
Faggot

>>42560685
>What exactly don't you get?
I don't understand the logic in telling someone to eat the real thing considering that seitan doesn't taste like real meat, it's just used as a substitute for meat by vegetarians/vegans
If seitan was some kind of product created specifically to taste and look like meat then I'd see that guy's point in telling the vegan to go eat the real thing, even though he would still be retarded.

>>42560353
What the fuck man. Honestly the fact mentally ill people are encouraged by being allowed to get "sex change" surgery is inhuman. It should be fucking outlawed, but so many people have a "it's his/her body so whatever" mentality, it's horrible.

>>42560930
>If seitan was some kind of product created specifically to taste and look like meat
Like "mock duck" and "tofurkey"?

>>42561055
Never heard of that, are they made to simulate meat? Sorry, in that case I guess the pic makes sense. Only kind of seitan I ever ate was "pure" and the taste is pretty different from actual meat

>>42560340
>>42560362
>>42560445
It's called a strawman argument.
The only thing it's missing is a ridiculously exaggerated expression on the dissenter, and the soul grindingly smug look on the vegan

>>42560353
There is only 1 gender
And its male.
Females are just dumb creatures

>>42560930
Have you ever actually had seitan? It is recommended for vegans as it is high protein (like meat), chewy (not really like meat but closer than peas and tofu) and is almost always prepared with beefless beef bouillon, smoked paprika, hickory bbq sauces etc, specifically to taste like meat.

>>42549503
I'm the opposite, i hate everybody. The fact you had to tell me your a Vegan when I didn't ask or give a fuck is just another reason.

>>42561301
>strawman
That implies that meat eaters don't use the just eat the real thing" argument, which is really fucking retarded to say since it's literally what the comic was replying to if you read >>42556112
>>42561301
>The only thing it's missing is a ridiculously exaggerated expression on the dissenter, and the soul grindingly smug look on the vegan
You see enemies where there are none. Maybe the comic is making a perfectly legitimate point.

>>42550497
It's okay to cause animal "suffering", not human suffering. This really isn't difficult.

>>42549496
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!!!!!!!!!!

>>42561498
Ah, the old "w-well some people do!" Defence, with a dash of persecution complex. Classic vintage to go with a strawman. And yes, it is a strawman, because it had absolutely nothing to do with the post it replied to, which was about the content of the food, not the taste.

>>42561542
>its ok cause they are inferior to us

>>42549496
Because their meme diet would rid the world of dat ass.

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>>42561604
Lol k man
Have another "strawman", I like buttblasted carnie replies

>>42560353

results vary

http://tau.amegroups.com/article/viewFile/3748/4674/49962
http://transitionftmuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/RF_Donor_site.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/28e0d7856437a5172746760a8b49667a/tumblr_inline_mp4ixdPfnT1qz4rgp.jpg

This is the same surgery men get when they've irrevocably lost their dick in accidents/maiming/war by the way

>>42560094
>balanced diet
memest of the memes

>>42556672

If you don't love everything about this person then you are a nazi

>>42560510
I kinda know a transguy (friend of a friend), and he DOES look like that. Nice guy so ain't gonna talk shit, but he does NOT look like a man. Feel bad for him because clearly his doctor is being a pussy with the T doses. A proper dose + maybe some tren and he'd man the fuck up.

>>42561542
Except we draw the line for "human" a bit differently, and sometimes designate other humans as "animals" (blacks, jews, romas, etc.) while our precious pets get designated as "almost human". I'd post a link to a lecture by a black vegan women on this but since this is 4chan, why bother?

>>42560512
calm down
you will grow out of it
you remind me of why i dont miss being 15 and edgy

>>42559261
>literally all of this is false. congrats
What's false is your statement, congrats
>>42551030
>evolution
>it's nutrients are literally essential and the only reason were the species we are today.
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate)
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>science, and common sense.
>>42551284
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/veggie.html

>>42550648
What animal products are involved in using a telephone?

I don’t hate vegans. I don’t believe in pushing a certain lifestyle on other people.

I hunt though. 75% of my red meat consumption is venison. I believe in responsible conservation and wildlife management. I think veganism is an unrealistic and irresponsible ideology for contributing to the balance of wildlife populace.

No vegans seem to want to talk about wildlife habitat or serious conservation efforts based on actual data.

No hate, just don’t push your politics on me, pal.

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>Vegans never post body with timestamp
Let them whinge, they know they are weak.

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>>42550373
he's a late-middle aged jew who only does cardio. what do you expect?
you can meet your macro and calorie needs on a vegan diet too.

>>42560512
lol, reflect more. youre probably your only problem

I don't hate vegans, and I'm happy for anybody that the vegan diet works forever. However, I didn't even go full vegan, but I went vegetarian for 5 years, and all I got out of it was an autoimmune disorder and a bunch of vitamin deficiencies despite doing everything "right." All of these problems were solved promptly when I started eating a moderate amount of meat again. So I do hate a bit of a problem when some vegan tries to preach to me about eating meat and the superiority of a vegan diet.

>>42567414
“Hunters sometimes argue that if they were to stop hunting, the deer population would explode. This is a false argument, because if hunting were to stop, we would also stop the practices that increase the deer population. State wildlife management agencies artificially boost the deer population in order to increase recreational hunting opportunities for hunters. By clearcutting forests, planting deer-preferred plants and requiring tenant farmers to leave a certain amount of their crops unharvested in order to feed the deer, the agencies are creating the edge habitat that is preferred by deer and also feeding the deer. If we stop hunting, we would also stop these tactics that increase the deer population.

If we stopped hunting, we would also stop breeding animals in captivity for hunters. Many nonhunters are unaware of state and private programs that breed quail, partridges and pheasants in captivity, for the purpose of releasing them in the wild, to be hunted.”

“Big “game” animals like white-tailed deer and black bears rarely exceed their biological carrying capacity – the maximum number of individuals the ecosystem will support without threatening other species. If they exceed that number, a lack of food will kill the weakest individuals, and will also cause the pregnant females to resorb embryos and have fewer offspring. The strongest will survive and the population will become healthier.

Unlike nature, hunters select the small and the weak to survive — reverse evolution. Instead of targeting the young, old, or sick individuals, hunters kill the largest, strongest males. Because hunters prefer large males with big horns, bighorn sheep in Alberta, Canada are now smaller, with smaller horns, compared to thirty years ago. And because hunters prefer to kill elephants with tusks, the African and Asian elephants that have a genetic mutation that leaves them tuskless are now dominating those populations.”

>>42568338
>I went vegetarian for 5 years, and all I got out of it was an autoimmune disorder and a bunch of vitamin deficiencies despite doing everything "right." All of these problems were solved promptly when I started eating a moderate amount of meat again
I doubt you did everything right. Post a typical day of eating in cronometer and your before and after results
Also, vegetarian = vegan. Eggs and cow milk are unhealthy.

>>42568338
>before and after results
before and after blood test results*

>>42568435
>you get vitamin deficiency from eggs
Hmmmm

>>42568421
>species self regulate
Are you a meme that whole thing was tinfoil tier retardation

>>42568467
Natural forces naturalistically depopulate the weak ass fuckin' deer so the alphas can dominate that sweet sweet deer puss.

Not the guy you're replying to but it's basic cause and effect you albino nigger.

>>42568435
>>42568443

I did everything right. I have absolutely no interest in going out of my way to prove anything to you. I had no interest in eating meat, but I literally had to since my vegetarian diet was, quite literally, killing me. Now I'm healthier than I've ever been. Like I said: I have no problems with vegans. The people that I have a problem with are people like you.

>>42561498
i don't understand why vegans are so angry all the time if they don't eat meat.

>>42549496
I don't hate vegans at all. I hate preachy people who force their views on me.

>>42549496
i find them to be preachy and close to a religious fanatic, but i don't hate them

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd74nd/we-asked-a-botanist-how-sure-science-is-that-plants-cant-feel-pain-302

>muh vice!
i don't give a fuck, but realize that someday plants will evolve too and you will need to learn how to chew a rock.

>>42556824
Every time a vegan looks like this vegans jump in and swear its a ftm WITHOUT FAIL "hurr durr not a real man, so there, meatlunk, there"

>>42549496
That ass is fake so don't waste your time

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>>42568533
>I ate vitamin XYZ but somehow ended up deficient in vitamin XYZ, so there must be something magical in meat that gives me vitamin XYZ
>>Are you sure? Can I check?
>I don't like you
Grow up
>>42568574
I won't even click the article. Plants have no brain or CNS. They don't feel or perceive anything. "They" barely qualify for the word "they", implying they are individuals. You wouldn't use "they" for rocks
>But they release chemicals when you cut them so there
No, that doesn't count as sentience. Spring traps react by biting your leg when they are stepped on, that's not sentience. Flint reacts to being violently struck by giving off sparks, that's not a warning to other flintkin to start running for their lives.
Jesus
>>42568455
>If I eat literal turds from a nigger with AIDS and herpes, they're healthy asking as they have vitamins
Just because something has vitamins doesn't mean it's healthy
Also, tofu and nutritional yeast (the vegan alternative to scrambled eggs) have more vitamins than actual scrambled eggs (check it in cronometer) so there
>>42568542
Pic related

>>42568622
They dont and yes ,she looks like that because she is vegan

Its a mental illness,

>>42568536
They don't get to release their frustrated chi by indirectly killing animals

>>42568675
>I won't even click the article.
there you go fanatical.
that's why poeple try to avoid vegans.

>>42568691
>I didn't even read your perfectly legitimate post that invalidates anything the article could have possibly thrown at you, you have to waste your time reading it even though other butthurt defensive carnies like me have posted hundreds of similar articles which you did read
Your opinion doesn't count

>>42568723
sure thing mate.
but the good part is that you answered OP's question.
no one likes to be around fanatics, except other fanatics.

>>42568676
Of course that chimera looks like shit thanks to being vegan but everytime I see a scrawny ass faggola with pencil limbs its always the same excuse "anon i was botn a woman pls dont b so meen ;_;".
Without fucking fail.

>>42568733
>Everyone who disagrees with me, no matter how good an argument they present, is a fanatic
Very open-minded.

>>42568808
anyone that refuses to add new info into their system because is afraid to be shown incorrect, is in fact, a fanatic anon.
but it's ok, everyone that is not a vegan, even vegetarians, knows this.
even the vegetarians laugh at you, digest that fag.

>>42568574
>>42568691
>Right, and isn't sensing damage, even without a neural system, essentially pain?
>The idea that damage has to be pain is mistaken. We feel pain because we have specific types of receptors called nociceptors which are programmed to respond to pain, not to touch. People can have genetic malfunctions where they feel pressure but never feel pain because they don't have pain receptors.

>But you said plants are 'aware.' So aren't they cognizant of this damage?
>No. I refuse to use the word cognition. We have no understanding of what cognition is. None whatsoever. Plants are not cognizant. When we cut a leaf, we assume that the plant is suffering. But that's our own anthropomorphism about what's going on.

I thought the article was supposed to show me how plants may feel pain, but it's saying the exact opposite???

>>42550145
And yet so much of it goes to waste yearly

>>42568821
>anyone that refuses to add new info into their system because is afraid to be shown incorrect, is in fact, a fanatic anon.
You played yourself, fool
Vegans are all former meat eaters who added new info into their system because they were not afraid to be shown incorrect. Most meat eaters dismiss vegan info because they are meat fanatics. The rest either convert fully or at least significantly cut down on unhealthy food consumption like beef, eggs and dairy

>>42568467
back to school for you, sonny

>>42568542
what if their views are right and you're wrong?

>>42568821
>new info into their system because is afraid to be shown incorrect, is in fact, a fanatic anon.
Funny you'd be saying that considering most meat eaters sound like they'd rather die than listen to whatever argument a vegetarian/vegan might say
Then again people who eat meat don't have a logical reason behind doing it, they just do it. So usually they don't even bother trying to debate

>>42569216
>>42569700
Post daily diet including macros. Everything you eat in a day. Also post body with timestamp.

>>42569837
I ate a bacon pizza last night. I'm just not against veganism because their arguments are correct.

>>42569837
>implying I will post pics of me on fucking 4chan
Hell no. But I'm a lanky fuck, same as I was when I eat meat.

>>42570089
Post daily vegan diet including macros. Everything you eat in a typical day.

You could easily crop your face out but since you look like shit I didn't expect a pic. Vegans never post body pics. Just your daily diet will do, to help convince the non-believers.

>>42568483
>>42569339
Legit embarrassed for both you right now baka desu

>>42556658
I would prefer to thrive rather than merely "survive". I will therefore eat as much meat as I want to.

>>42570288
that's ok sonny

just look at all the "healthy" vegan youtube missionarys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE6WcVr0SGc

>>42570857
>doing dips in german

>>42570941

kek

wanted to post this

https://youtu.be/EFF30jfTubU

>>42550938
Statistically speaking, if you do not get adequate B12 (you should be checking your levels once a year after becoming vegan, this becomes particularly crucial after the 5 year mark) in your diet through food or supplementation, you are at a much higher risk for development of neurodegenerative diseases.

Being vegan isn't about sitting atop a moral high horse. It's about making sacrifices and being aware of the risks associated with said sacrifices. Don't be one of those dipshit vegan hipsters who don't invest in their health, and would instead prefer to wave their diet around as some sort of misguided political statement.

>>42572104
you realize that nonvegan americans have deficiencies in vitamin d, a, b12 and others, right? because pointing fingers at vegans and ignoring the rest indicates that you are very shallow and closeminded person

>>42573153
So vegan diet is same tier as shart in marts diet. Well that makes me want to become vegan even more.

>>42550497
Flawless arguement rapeman

>>42549496
There is a strong correlation between Suffering from depression and lack of vitamin B12.

Which causes which is unclear. but it is clear that people on restrictive diets(e.g. vegans) are in a high risk group.

>>42550373
and your appearance dictates how healthy you are?
That man is healthier than everyone on this board.
Lifting weights isnt healthy, none of is natural and what your body was meant for. if you think lifting weights and being 200 pounds 8 percent bodyfat is healthy for you, you're a fucking moron. Bodybuilding and powerlifting isnt fitness. The copius amounts of food and stress on your body, dieting down to dangerous levels of bodyfat, and everything else is the exact opposite of fitness. That's just an objective reality.

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>>42574137

>>42560472
Looks like it to me.

>>42550373
Man, poor posture just ruins you, doesn't it?

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>>42570257
My current clean& careful bulk would be something like:
Breakfast: high-protein oats with soymilk, 5g fat, 50g carbs, 25g protein = 345 kcal
Lunch: burritos with beans & soymince + veggies & lots of guac, 40g protein, 100g carbs, 25g fat = 785 kcal
Shake: vegan protein blend and soymilk, 35g protein, 10g carbs, 5g fat = 225kcal
Snack: 50g of nuts, 25g fat, 10g carbs, 10g protein = 305 kcal
Dinner: setain "meatloaf", baked potatoes and roast veggies + salad, 80g carbs, 40g protein, 20g fat = 660 kcal
Snack: pb & banana on high-protein bread, 20g protein, 20g fat, 10g carbs = 300 kcal
TOTAL: 100g fat, 250g carbs, 170g protein = 2615 kcal

I make sure to hit AT LEAST 160g protein a day, though rather 180+g if I can, because it's not as absorbable. I also take BCAAs, creatine, taurine, omega3, b12 and vitamine D (though where I live doctors recomend the latter to everyone due to a lack of sunlight).
Carbs are always around 250g, fat always 100+g. I'm skinnyfat and used to be just plain fat when I ate meat, now I'm trying to put on muscle, currently at 75 kg (bulked up from 70kg).


If I posted my body, people would see that I look like shit and blame veganism. They would not, regardless of what I say, blame my obesity on junk food and meat, or credit the fact that I lost 40lbs to my new vegan diet, or admit that despite still looking like shit I DO look WAY better than when I was non-vegan.

And if I posted a pic a couple of years from now when I'm ripped as fuck? They'd just assume I'm roiding. If I posted bloodwork from a doctor confirming I am drug free, they make some other shit up like the doctor being part of a jewish cucking conspiracy or some other retarded shit. It doesn't matter in the end. If you want to eat meat you'll find your excuse to eat meat. It's what's normal is society so finding excuses is super easy and most people will never question you. Some rando on 4chan posting six-pack abs and crediting veganism ain't gonna change that.

>>42568421

I'm not sure if this is a conversation you're wanting to have or if you're just copy-pasting something you read somewhere.

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>>42576227
>High protein oats
Is that something I can get in Aldi, a special order from Amazon or just oats and protein powder?

>omega3,
What exactly do you take? How often? Does it have DHA and EPA? How much does it cost?

Do you eat out with friends? What do you get when eating out?

How long does cooking take you every day?

>>42557466
subjective reasons being their fefes

>>42576285
Both. Instead of typing a 2000/2000 character post I just googled what I was looking for. You are free to attack the points made, though I don't think you can do so successfully

>>42576340
>oats
idk, I buy it from a regular store just across the street, but this is in Sweden and "high-protein" versions of basically everything is all the rage right now. Seriously a person could get like 300+g of protein a day just eating ordinary food that has been enhanced with extra whey or pea protein.

Personally I just get the high-protein oats, bread and tortillas, but I rarely eat all of em in one day.

>omega3
something derived from algea that's already split into DHA and EPA for more easy absorption. cheap, a 20 euro bottle lasts me 2 months. I'm the only vegan I know who takes these because the rest are FOOLS.

>eating out
Yeah I have vegan friends and my wife is vegan also. Lots of great places in my town. Also in real life people aren't like on the Internet; I can go to any random restaurant and ask politely if they could accomodate a vegan and most of the time they'll be happy to do it.

>time
not much; the wife helps and I meal-prep and also I eat lots of quick-to make food

>>42573153
>you realize that nonvegan americans have deficiencies in vitamin d, a, b12 and others, right?
Yes, that's why I said a lack of B12 statistically speaking will make neurodegenerative disease more likely. I did not say that being vegan would, but a vegan diet lacking supplementation of B12 would be almost entirely lacking in B12. A diet with meat and no supplementation would still have more B12 than a diet without both.

>because pointing fingers at vegans and ignoring the rest indicates that you are very shallow and closeminded person
That's why you immediately saw what I was saying as an affront on your ego and identity, and completely ignored the point of the first paragraph, right?

Also, >>42573198 makes a very good point here. If I had to compare my diet to that of the average person, I would have to rethink what I'm doing.
The average vegan will have a diet that is still just as shitty in comparison to a healthy vegan, as the diet of an average non-vegan compared to a healthy non-vegan. Saying that the average of anything is X so it's okay doesn't make anything okay, it just makes you feel better.

>>42550583
>antifa faggot dead.
Who cares why do you quote this retard?

Question for all meatfags: do you honestly believe that disproving pure veganism means that your diet is correct? Do you not realise that's a false dichotomy? There are other options avaliable here.

If you believe that veganism is unhealthy, how about this: plant-based diet + bivalves (mussels, oysters, cockles, etc.)? These little fellas have no central nervous system and can't feel pain or suffering. Their production, if rope-grown, is VERY environmentally sustainable (better than some veggies), and there is little to no worker exploitation involved (in fact there are loads of economic benefits for the people growing them).

Nutrition wise they are PACKED with goodies, especially stuff that vegans might lack such as B12, omega 3, zink and of course animal protein. Even some vegans have argued that eating them should count as "vegan".

So why not eat like that? Why kill cows and chickens if it's really about health and nutrition? Could it be because those are just shitty excuses and you are just culturally programmed to eat meat, but feel the need to invent a reason when confronted with the errors of your ways?