Bogpill me on spam and eggs. Is this the ultimate bulking combination?

>>42536048
You're a poor person aren't you?

Spam is absolutely filthy

>>42536048
yes

basically any food high in protein & fat anyway

>>42536048
>God tier

>>42536048
Eggs are dirt cheap right now. I can get a case of 60 eggs at Walmart for $2.70. Forget the spam, start doing DEADs. (Dozen Eggs A Day)

I like spam but it's loaded with sodium.

>>42536271
Where the fuck do you live?

>>42536277
It's preddy good if you're a keto fag though. We need the added salt. Everyone else yeah, shit'll likely cause a stroke mid-routine.

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>>42536284
Near Cape Canaveral

>>42536294
ayyy
keto4lyfe mane

>>42536048
>2 eggs
why even bother? ive never eaten less than 6 eggs at a time, that's with 200g beans, a bit of bacon for flavor, and maybe some 2-3 slices of toast (+ spinach, bell pepper, mushrooms and some other things obviously). and this is while cutting. an egg is like 60cal, might as well leave it if you do only 2.

I always see people talk about spam as cheap on the internet, its fucking expensive here. or do you guys always refer to the spam with ingredients listed as 'meat' when talking about it, because THATS cheap as hell, but the ones by the same company but which actually lists 'pork' and not just 'meat' as an ingredient is fucking expensive.

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>>42536048
enjoy your heart disease and cancer you povo shitter.

why does nobody else eat masterrace brown rice and lentils with yoghurt. get good cunts.

>mfw nobody cares about micronutrients needed for proper muscle growth and good health

>>42536349
Not mentioning quinoa? dyel bro??

Probably don't eat soy for the natty chest increases either. kys

>>42536271
Same here. Northeast Ohio

>>42536365
>quinoa

pretentious cock-licking food. i suppose you receive anal sexual intercourse whilst consuming your quinoa

>>42536048
Spam is like 80% fat and has incredibly high sodium. Nobody should eat it under any circumstances, you might as well eat some big macs because even those have better macros

>>42536379
"i suppose you receive anal sexual intercourse whilst consuming your quinoa"

Is there another way to consume said hipster grain of the Gods?

>>42536349
REDDIT GTFO MY BOARD

>>42536383
>high fat
>high sodium
So it's perfect for keto.

>>42536419
Maybe, I'm trying to avoid any processed meats though. I've stuck to fresh pork loin or belly jacked up with pan salt for the potassium. Getting enough has been hard even with 3 cups leafy greens every day.

>>42536607
Don't think anyone would encourage eating this canned shmeat all the time. You need to supp-up if you're ketomode. Most meats and veggies today don't have great enough micronutrients anymore.

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>>42536271
>only 1 dozen

>>42536644
Totally agree. Potassium, zinc and magnesium have been hard to get right. Using pan salt for the potassium has helped, taking good vitamins, but need to find a good supp for the others.

Any thoughts on coconut oil? I take a tbsp for energy daily and MFP yells at me every time about sat fat.

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>>42536607
Yeah, potassium is tough one to get.
Besides low sodium salt, you're left with leafy greens, and nuts. Maybe peanut butter, if you can get it without sugar.

Get yourself some black pudding OP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding

It's apparently a superfood

>>42536694
Hadn't had much luck with MCT oil. Shit like a goose with that. Never cared for coconut oil either, taste just doesn't hit me right.

Tree nuts are good if you have gaps to fill. Good for test too.

>>42536695
Nice, I hadn't thought of nuts. Thanks

>>42536721
I'm still at that place where I shit a rabbit turd every 3-4 days but can sympathize

>>42536365

quinoa is the same meme category as chia seeds

>>42536925
Blasphemer! I'll have you know they strip thousands of acres of rain forest to grow this godly crop for hipsters. It's an important grain for skinny-fat sip drinking faggots. /s

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>>42536951
>/s
We don't do that here.

>>42536977

>>42536977
Greetings from r/s

>>42536951
Reddit please leave and never return

>>42536349
Get out of here you underage Reddit faggot. You have no idea what you are doing you shit stain.

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>>42536694
Start the day with oats, cook em plain and add coconut oil when it's in your eating bowl.

Midday try having brown rice, beans, spinach, and salmon oil. Walmart sells a Norwegian brand.

Pic related.

>>42536951
shoo reddit shoo shoo

>>42536349
>heart disease and cancer
Did the OP post sugar and vegetable oil? No? Then you are a fucking retarded piece of shit momscientist who is clueless how those are caused

>>42539785
You know if Y is bad it doesn't means X isn't;

The "sat fat and cho" are good is a fucking meme followed and spouted by a bunch of retard believing in a conspiracy theory about muh ancel key study ( when dozens of other study prove it too without the skew )

>>42540733
t. Triggered grain merchant

>>42536271
Why the fuck is food so cheap in the US?
I'm from Chile, and every time I see US prices I'm like wtf.
12 eggs here are $2.7, sometimes a bit lower, like $2.5. But that's it.

>>42540842
Most of the money made from grain is made from feeding it to cattle you utter retard .

>>42536349
>only eats brown rice, lentils and yoghurt.
>complains that other people aren't eating foods with enough micronutrients?

lol?? enjoy your fuckton of deficiencies after eating only that for a year you absolute mongoloid.

>>42540900
He just means people should stop eating nutritionaly deprived food like meat and eggs when those can be replaced by real with food with both better micro & macro profil .

>>42536048
>heart disease: the meal

ebin

SPAM is shit-tier meat, its actually the kind of meat that is as unhealthy as vegan retards always say. Steak and eggs is a quality combination, or if you can't afford steak then a very lean mince pounded into burgers.

>>42539785
>sugar causes heart disease

lul

It's amazing that ketard bloggers have had this much of an effect.

>>42540925
It's really sad that so many ignorant people still equate meat and eggs with heart disease.

Eggs are great. Spam is carcinogen meat.

>>42540967
it's sad to see that some people now believe that sat fat and cholesterol are healthy because a bunch of retard really wanted to believe that grease was good for you and made a cult of alternative science around it .

>>42540886
That's right good goy buy organic ancient sprouted maize flakes at 10000% markup and be sure to visit Dr. Jewstein to get your meds refilled and surgeries scheduled! Carbs are good for you!

>>42539785

Cringe-worthy denial

>>42536349
>enjoy your heart disease and cancer
Enjoy your memes.
>heart disease
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>cancer
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/

>>42540991
All of the High sat fat guru are supplement / book sellers , the meat industry is the most subsidize by the state and 95% of the junk food is dependent of milk and eggs or meat but the grain is the jew :-DDD .

>>42536048
This is the secret to dying painfully at the ripe age of 35

>>42540991

>appeal to jewish overlords

For real though, what is any evidence that whole grains and other accepted healthy carbs are bad for you? People seem to skip over the scientific evidence, all of which is positive about the health benefits of unprocessed carbs, and argue purely by saying there's a conspiracy or some other fallacious argument like "cavemen had different diets"

What next, vegetables are bad for you? Because "der JEWS want us to eat veggies! that's proof!"

>>42541020
And most of the money made of soy and wheat is made from selling it as feed for animals t on top of that .The "grain jew" would lose way more money if people stopped buying meat since it take like 9 Kcals of plant to produce 1Kcals of meat .

>>42540918
>nutritionally deprived foods like meat and eggs.

that's it, i'm out of this thread. i can't handle the amount of reddit and pseudoscience going on in here.

i bet you guys also think whole milk is bad for you because of the extra fat, eggs raise your cholesterol so should be avoided and carbohydrates make you fat.

just go buy your non fat triple venti half sweet caramel macchiato at your local vegan retreat and go back to browsing /r/fitmeals and /r/nutrition, thanks sweeties.

>>42540997

Select anything from your collection of blogs to discuss.

>>42541038
>He doesn't agree with my alternative science that cholesterol and sat fat are good for you.
>that means he must be a durianrider like sugar junky .

>>42540854
Es la inflación viejo, coma porotitos con rienda para bulk

>>42540733
>The "sat fat and cho" are good is a fucking meme
No, it isn't.
>when dozens of other study prove it too without the skew
No the don't.
>>42540983
>alternative science around it .
>Reserach consistently backed by tons of evidence, biology and the historical record is now "alternative science."
>>42540995
>Implying
>>42540997
>>42541043
Why should I do that when you can just quit being lazy and research yourself?

>>42541038

>reddit and psuedoscience

Let's try to fix that with proper science

>i bet you guys also think whole milk is bad for you because of the extra fat

The extra fat, relative to low fat dairy, does in fact raise cholesterol

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8116537

> eggs raise your cholesterol so should be avoided

In fact they do

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf

>and carbohydrates make you fat.

Certain sources of carbs can make overeating more likely, which may result in a person gaining weight over time

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210834/

>>42541057
nice strawman, daddy never taught you how to formulate arguments huh?

there have been many studies which show that eating eggs doesn't raise the 'bad cholesterol' significantly enough to impact your health. i didn't even mention saturated fat, so why don't you go circlejerk with your reddit buddies like I said?

>>42541020
>All of the low fat veganoids are supplement / book sellers , the grain industry is the most marked up by the state and 95% of the junk food is dependent on carbage but the animal products is the jew :-DDD .
fixed that for you

>>42541081

>Why should I do that when you can just quit being lazy

If you intend to have a conversation, it's helpful to have a starting point. If you read these blogs yourself, you should know the points well enough to at least reiterate one of the strong ones here so we can talk about it.

>research yourself

That's the thing. My own research that doesn't involve sources like "deniseminger.com" "reddit.com" has brought up contradictory results. I'd like to see why, if we could explore your views more closely.

>>42541082
>In fact they do
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=Eggs

>>42541115
you know you don't have to adhere to ANY fucking vegan value to not be a retard and not eat a tons of saturated fat and cho ?

>>42541113

>there have been many studies which show that eating eggs doesn't raise the 'bad cholesterol' significantly enough to impact your health

Some do, some don't. You can easily design a study like that to get the result you want, and coincidentally the studies designed in a way that hides the relationship are nearly always funded by the egg industry, while impartial research shows an increase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuRnT_ojwQU

>>42541129

That's not a proper response to the science paper posted.

>>42541082

reddit back at it again with the cherrypicked studies which don't even support their own arguments.

>The extra fat, relative to low fat dairy, does in fact raise cholesterol

study presumes that cholesterol is bad for you and is automatically biased, doesn't mention good or bad cholesterol.

> In fact they do

link doesn't work and i'm not going to waste my time linking to the thousands of studies which show that your body will automatically reduce your cholesterol levels over time while eating eggs. you're right that suddenly eating 12 eggs and then stopping for the month will raise your cholesterol, but people who consume eggs don't tend to do that.

>Certain sources of carbs can make overeating more likely, which may result in a person gaining weight over time

so you're saying that actually eating carbs doesn't make you fat, it's the fact that people might drink something high in calories and then eat a burger afterwords.

so carbs don't actually make you fat? i didn't even need to argue for that one, you did it for me.

>>42541137
Oh sorry I forgot the euphemism is plant-based now how microaggressive of me!

>>42541180

>study presumes that cholesterol is bad for you and is automatically biased, doesn't mention good or bad cholesterol.

This is the length you have to go to in order to believe saturated fat isn't bad for you. Imagine someone trying to defend soft drinks by saying "high blood sugar isn't bad for you"

Yes, they do mention good/bad cholesterol by saying LDL increased while HDL didn't change.

>link doesn't work and i'm not going to waste my time linking to the thousands of studies which show that your body will automatically reduce your cholesterol levels over time while eating eggs.

For the sake of discussion, please do. I'd love to see controlled feeding trials lasting however long you think it takes to even out cholesterol production, and not weight loss trials that are confounded of course by the weight loss. Here's an alternate link

http://www.ibcmt.com/2009-03-16-EffectsOfDietaryCholesterolOnSerumCholesterol-PaulHopkins.pdf

As for carbs, I was more going for the calories issue. Sugar-sweetened drinks for example may not necessarily make you fat just by drinking them, but they do make it much easier to overconsume calories. Not a point I really care about arguing though, most people would already agree with that.

>>42541128
>it's helpful to have a starting point.
And I do
>If you read these blogs yourself, you should know the points well enough to at least reiterate one of the strong ones here so we can talk about it.
You should be able to more easily read them yourself, just like I did.
>That's the thing. My own research that doesn't involve sources like "deniseminger.com" "reddit.com" has brought up contradictory results.
Then it's debunked bad science that's backed by nothing
>I'd like to see why, if we could explore your views more closely.
And you can easily do all of that by reading.
>>42541154
>That's not a proper response to the science paper posted.
You refusal to read it doesn't make what I posted "not a proper response".

>>42536349
do you know that the difference between brown and white rice is negligible? search about it.

>>42540918
Humans can live on just flesh with no deficiencies except fiber, and all that means is that your shitter gets clogged and eventually you get colon cancer.

>>42541266

>And I do

Great, post your first argument to discuss.

>You should be able to more easily read them yourself, just like I did.

You linked about 2 dozen blogs that I don't believe you've read yourself if you're not able to extract any point to argue from any of them.

So, go ahead. If you have a point to make, let's hear it.

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>>42541032
They are though. Just look at the ((((who))) wants you to eat them and see Shawn Baker and Georgia Edes

>>42541180

>cholesterol isn't bad for you, that's bias
>EGGS DON'T RAISE CHOLESTEROL! I'LL DEFEND THIS WITH MY LIFE! BECAUSE IF EGGS RAISE CHOLESTEROL THEY'D BE RIGHTLY CALLED UNHEALTHY, AND I CAN'T HAVE THAT!
>*sees other food he mentioned indesputably raising cholesterol*
>I mean not that this is a bad thing....

Nothing anyone says could convince you of anything. Whatever the evidence shows, you alter your beliefs to reject it.

>>42541273
>except fiber
https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/1lolqu/end_the_fiber_fantasy_everything_you_dont_want_to/
http://caloriesproper.com/animal-fibre/

>>42541350

Reddit, the greatest source of information on the internet

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>>42541393
All the cool memes come from reddit.

>>42541474

>link 2 dozen blogs vaguely related to the topic being discussed
>DEBUNK EVERYTHING OR I WIN

>>42536048
It's good as a bulking food, but really high in cholesterol and saturated fats. Limit your consumption only on bulking season and you should be fine.

>>42542271
Saturated fat and cholesterol increase testosterone production.

>>42542300

No they don't

>>42542374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVQDIRsyiAw

>>42536977
Wood berry

>>42536349
https://youtu.be/5S6-v37nOtY

>>42536048
processed meats have lower quality protein compared to unprocessed meats and are more carcinogenic

>>42541350
I'm not talking about microbiota shit, I'm talking about insoluble fiber. That reddit post is just straight up wrong, if you don't eat any of it, your bowels will back up with aging shit. Now, there aren't many groups that just don't eat it, but the ones that do, such as inuits, have terrible bowel problems

>>42536271
PA here. A little more expensive but still dirt cheap. Egg your eggs bros, don't listen to jews and grandmas bullshit about how they're bad for you.

>>42542595
The protein is the same and "processed" doesn't mean anything. Nitrate preservatives specifically are carcinogenic.

>>42542615
Nope

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

>>42542672
I'm not talking about constipation, I'm talking about throughput.

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>>42542545
>Fat isn't so bad because it melts in my hand and dissolves in soap

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW LAD

>>42541333
>Nothing anyone says could convince you of anything. Whatever the evidence shows, you alter your beliefs to reject it.
>This level of projection and not reading.
>>42540997
>>42541293
>Great, post your first argument to discuss.
And again I did. It was scientific evidence in response to dietary memes.
>You linked about 2 dozen blogs that I don't believe you've read yourself if you're not able to extract any point to argue from any of them.
I can but again, why should I when you can just as easily if not more so by reading something you should have in the first place? And these demands that I should do your work for you aren't really giving me reason to personally do something you can, again, easily do.
>>42542152
>link 2 dozen blogs vaguely related to the topic being discussed
>vaguely
You mean directly and you'd know that if you actually took a look at them.
>DEBUNK EVERYTHING OR I WIN
There's nothing to debunk since copious scientific, historical and biological evidence has my back, so I do `win.`

>>42536271
Enjoy your cholesterol nigger

>>42542773
Throughput goes down because there's less ingestible garbage polluting the bowels.
"Pure insoluble fiber is the ultimate junk food. It is neither digestible nor absorbable and therefore devoid of nutrition."
Here's a doctor who eats a pure meat diet and is in perfect health.
https://www.instagram.com/shawnbaker1967/

>>42542856
Being undigestible and unabsorbable is the whole point you moron. It's roughage.

>>42542947
useless and unnecessary roughage

>>42542464
>>42542545

Not a valid reference

>>42540854
I spend $4 on a dozen cage free organic eggs because they're larger and the shells feel a lot thicker and healthier. But it's because we're America dipshit.

>>42536365
Quinoa is way more expensive than rice where I live but it's a great bulking food super easy to eat a lot at once.

>>42536048
MAH NIGGA!!! Love me some fried spam and eggs.

>>42536048
enjoy your cancer

>>42536303
meritt island or t ville?

>>42543242
Youtube is the best reference on the internet you fuckin retard

>>42536048
>korean detected

>>42541350
>/r/keto

Fat fucks desperate to defend their unhealthy lifestyle.

>>42543548
>referencing that idiot because he claims to be a doctor

www.youtube.com/nutritionfactsorg

I trust this nerd over that indian faggot any day of the week.

>>42544055
not fat anymore dick head

>>42542851
Enjoy your nogains, egglet

>>42544107
>Michael Greger, M.D.
>Director, Public Health and Animal Agriculture
>Humane Society International
Ok vegan

>>42544155
>literally just reports the latest in nutrition research

If keto were the healthiest diet for humans Greger would be recommending keto.

>>42544190
>shill for animal rights activist groups recommending keto
Good one, I lol'd

>>42544205
Vegan keto is a thing by the way

I wonder why he doesn't recommend that???? Oh wait, it's because the only vegans that suffer from heart disease are the ones that consume a ton of oil.

>>42544213
More likely because he's a sugar fiend and has escalation of commitment after writing a book titled Carbophobia

>>42544246
I get that you just learned about keto recently you think sugar is the devil but when the fuck was the last time you've heard of a traditional Asian high carb diet causing diabetes, obesity, heart disease etc.?

>>42544255
Silly straw person is silly

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>>42544246

>sugar fiend
>warns people against eating refined sugar

Carbophobia is about the dangers of low carb dieting and the avoidance of all foods that contain carbohydrates even if they're good for you. You can read it if you want.

http://www.atkinsfacts.org/atkins-exposed.pdf

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>>42544255

>>42544309
>>42544325
>sumo wrestlers

literally .00000005% of the Asian population.

fucking lol at ketards

>>42544320
Oh that's just not (((natural))) and ((whole)) enough for his strong vegan memes
>carbohydrates even if they're good for you
syntax error

>>42544369
Holy shit, went straight over your head you retard. It's pointing out that the only efficient method of getting really big is to consume lots of carbs, usually in the form of grain.

>>42544325

>starts off with unsourced data
>shows abstract of 1976 study on sumo wrestlers that doesn't mention diet composition
>no full text available

Make up whatever you want and turn it into an infographic and people will think it's true.

>>42536063
you have never bought spam or gone camping have you? spam is actually really fucking expensive.. having said that no idea why op doesn't just eat steak for breakfast.

>>42544255
Correlation=/=causation

Asians smoke like chimneys are still healthy

>>42540854
>why is everything better in America?

gee i wonder

>>42544465
>obvious NHANES
>doesn't know how to pirate journal articles

>>42544481
I mean, not really. Lung cancer is a huge issue in China, for example. And it's not because of the air quality. Dirty ass Chinese cigarettes are like 50 cents a pack.

I had a 60 year old British coworker that's still healthy and has been a chain smoker for 40 years, 15 of those being in China smoking the shitty Chinese fags. You can find anecdotes everywhere.

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>>42544512
Jap cigs are good?

>>42544506

>it's so obvious that I don't even need to provide a source

How convenient

>>42540854
Because Chile is an impoverished third world shithole

>>42540854
places like wal mart survive by making crazy obscene uses of economies of scale and by pricing at thin margins.
60 eggs at $2.70, you'll get what you pay for. Which is pretty shit eggs. But eggs nonetheless.

I feel weird about eating eggs that sell for under $2 / dozen. I'm basically just a dollar away from buying eggs at the Dollar Tree at that point. (..... uh... you know about the Dollar Tree, yeah?)

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>>42546447
>Dollar Tree

One dollar steaks baby! Seriously though don't eat that shit.

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>>42546503
I saw that shit the other day, the workers tell me that they sell out fast but seriously who the fuck would trust a one dollar steak?