oh wow thanks /fit/

You're welcome

Stop being a faggot.

Are you over weight?
have a genetic predisposition to it?

if you answered no to both of these questions then type 2 diabeetus is one of the few things you need to worry about.

Let me guess. You just watched that documentary by a hypochondriac vegan?

>>42521004
t. meat industry

>>42520431
emphasis on red meat. There is a reason why chicken/fish are staples of most bodybuilders diets

>>42520431
>more than half a serving
They could literally be talking about 30 servings of it increasing your chance of type 2 diabetes by 48%
technically

>>42521336
Red meat gets lumped in statistically with processed meats, which get lumped in with highly refined carbs. In other words, The find out that people who have diabetes eat lots of pizza, tacos, etc. and therefore it's the meat that did it.

>>42520431
Is there a causational link or just a correlation?

>>42521710
Walter Kempner showed that a diet of pure refined carbs - white rice, fruit juice, and sugar - cures diabetes. Meanwhile meat fat and heme iron cause insulin resistance and beta cell dysfunction.

>>42521710
Type II Diabetes is not as simple as muh carbs

>>42521800
In how many patients? What other factors were changed? Did they stop being gross fats and eat at a calorie limit? Did they suddenly become more active and begin exercising?

>Plants make sugar for their food
>Sugars come from plants
>Processed sugars come from plant sugars
>Processed plant sugars cause diabetes


Veganism is to blame here, is it not?

This vegan infestation is brutal. Was never this bad before.

Sage

>>42522000
Trips of truth

>>42521934
They stopped eating animal products.

>>42521710

Where did you get that idea?

>>42521964
>>Processed plant sugars cause diabetes

Nope. Kempner, Sweeney, Himsworth.

>>42522000
I don't think we can have a single thread about anything to do with diet or fitness without it being thoroughly vegan shilled. Vegans pretty much derail any thread about diet by posting the same 10 shitty memographics.

We need a vegan general and have them fuck off to there.

>>42522095
Animal sourced foods not being good for you doesn't imply veganism.

>>42522136
It does because only vegans seriously believe that.

>>42522211
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"

>>42522095
but anon ive watched what the health twice now, I know everything there is to know about the meat industry and how raysis it is to poor blacks in north carolina

>>42522252
Is this why vegans will literally report posts showing all the dysfunctions associated with veganism?

>>42522282
>report posts
How would you know? Announcing reports is against the rules. Did you get banned for shitting up the board with misinformation?

>>42522252
This would be true if there weren't so many sacred cows and self aggrandizing things in modern science.

>>42521336

>There is a reason why chicken/fish are staples of most bodybuilders diets

Entirely because it's cheaper and leaner

>>42522374
spoken like a true religitard

>>42522531
Post a pic of your physique.

>>42520431
No one told you to eat red meat.

They told you to eat seasonless poached chicken.

>>42522553
Why? So you can pray against it? >>>/x/

>>42522609
What?

>>42522252
Science is not "true". Science is not a claim, you can't just say "it's science" and that makes it so. Most scientific studies regarding nutrition are complete bullshit.

>>42520431
Fake and gay. So study people that eat red meat, happen to eat other really bad shit. So.. must correlate this some shitty causation explanation.

Reminds me of the study that says only fat people drink diet Coke. Prove me wrong /fit/.

>>42522651
Science is about observational facts and logic. If it hurts your feelings and you are too dumb to understand it, then don't talk about it.

>>42522531
Welcome to pop science

>protein and fat increase risk of diabetes

who the fuck comes up with this shit?

>>42522956
Baww is it 2hard4u?

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>>42520431
Oh boy here we go.

>>42522859
Red meat contains really bad shit.

>>42523208
NYC really cleaned their act up.

>>42520431
Vegan propaganda dont fall for their bullshit

>>42523208
>I like it so it must be confounding
meatlets will never learn huh

>>42522947
Some shallow layman understanding of science is still far ahead of infantile denial of reality. I admire your wealth of ignorance.

>>42523254
I admire your hubris.

>>42523302
>projection

>>42520431
>oh wow thanks /fit/
Unless /fit/ was the one that told you about that retarded dietary meme you just posted, there's not need for thanks.
>>42521328
>t. pseudoscientist
>>42521336
>>42522599
It's a meme
>>42521781
There's nothing to complete bullshit
>>42521800
Junk science garbage.
>>42522036
And you stopped using your brain
>>42522136
It implies pseudoscience
>>42522252
Hackneyed quackery isn't science
>>42522924
Then people touting this and other anti meat dietary memes need to shut the fuck up
>>42522956
Complete retards
>>42523169
>>42523211
That statement contains bullshit
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>(cont.)

>>42523365
>(cont.)
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>42523347
Probably not.

>>42523208
Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it doesn't imply not causation and an excuse to ignore the relationship either. Generally you'd want to investigate it further by seeing if it holds in different samples across space and time, account for interfering variables, check for physical/chemical/biological plausibility, identify mechanisms, establish a dose-response, integrate experimental modalities that have differing sources of potential bias, etc

You also need some reasonable standard for causality, else you could deny everything from cancer to special relativity. Red meat definitely looks like an independent risk factor if you look look into some of the mechanistic literature (heme iron, Neu5Gc, saturated fat, cholesterol, AGEs/ALEs), but I'm not sure the magnitude of increased risk has been concretely identified in systematic reviews.

>>42523365
>>42523384
>this level of gish gallop
Thanks for playing, you lost.

>>42523409
>probable denial

>>42523365

Pick anything from any of your links that we could discuss in more detail

>>42523365
>>42523384
Post ONE of your nonsensical counterarugments and I'm gonna show you why it's bullshit. You cannot copypasta a long list of troll sources and expect me to defeat every single one of them.