Vegan General

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>>42504593
I am an omnivore and I will tell you why you SHOULD drink milk, and also eat their flesh. Also sage.

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>>42504609
You are the proof meat eaters are retarded.

>>42504609
Neck yourself polfag.

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>>42504607
I totally believe this image macro.

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>>42504623
still a sage

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>>42504644

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>>42504657

How do I get enough calcium though? 1000mg a day seems impossible without chugging some milk

What are your guys' favorite after workout meals? For me:
>chickpeas, spinach, onion, chopped almonds, dash of brewers yeast
>guac
>all over some kind of grain like quinoa or rice

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>>42504657

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>>42504681
Here's a pic related.

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>>42504695
>>42504700
here is the actual diet that works...for whites.

>>42504669
Neck yourself polfag.

>>42504713
>muh grass fed beefs!!!!
Right because that's totally sustainable

>>42504713
If you truly believe this pic, then you are a fucking idiot.

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>>42504695
Peta? You mean the eco-terrorist group that like to bomb animal clinics and donate $0 to land conservation and management? Quite the reliable source you got there.

You do know that hunters do more to save animals than peta, right?

>cheese is dangerously addictive because it has an opioid effect
As if vegan leftists aren't all drug-friendly anyway
>literally being afraid of a piece of cheese
how little control can someone have over their life if they're afraid of a fucking piece of CHEESE

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Can meat eaters disprove this documentary?

>inb4 wikipedia link

>>42504713
I'm not drinking bone broth like some idiot yuppie mom on a paleo cleanse just because muh cavemen

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>>42504746
It doesn't matter where the facts are from.

Facts are facts.

>>42504754
yea its called jew producers

>>42504746
Stop using peta as a strawman for all vegans and develop an actual argument. I personally have no problem with people hunting for meat anyway.

>>42504761
Can we at least leave the antisemitism when talking about food?

>>42504748
You can be vegan and right wing, sorry your masculinity issues and tastebuds won't allow it

>>42504754
They can't. You'll just hear

>da juice

as >>42504761 has proven.

>>42504748
>As if vegan leftists aren't all drug-friendly anyway
Are they? I've heard they generally smoke and drink less than average

>>42504792
They are drug-friendly for harmless drugs like weed but they won't abuse cancer stuff like cigaretts, alcohol or meat.

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>>42504760
>Cow rape
You realise that a bull doesn't say pretty please before he fucks a cow right.
>Veal
Literally where can you even buy that shit anymore. Who eats it?
>Antibiotics
Jokes on you they can't do that in my country unless under strict veterinarian supervision, in which case they have to stop being milked for a very long period of time.
>Puss blood, blah, blah
Yeah and most of the plants we eat have to be thoroughly washed because all of the shit cancerous pesticides that are used in modern farming.

Implying almonds don't rape the soil and contribute heavily to desertification in the areas where they are produced.

>>42504830
They use artificial insemination. Please do your research.

>>42504788
B-but if they didn't have their conspiracy theory strawman they'd have to use legitimate arguments!

>>42504835
Yeah no shit dumbass. Have you seen how a bull would fuck a cow even if we weren't doing it.

Bulls rape cows anyhow, what we are doing is 100x more gentle.

>>42504842
>using legitimate arguments when talking about something that makes them mildly uncomfortable.
Heresy.

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>>42504844
>natural sex is rape
>artificial insemination is not rape

Meat eaters are truly the masters of mental gymnastics.

>>42504660

And the plant based alternatives 'likely' contain:

>insect shit
>plant pesticides
>toxic compounds from polluted ground/rain water
>cancerous plant cells

>>42504657

Japanese are not 'vegans' culturally and fish is incorporated into their diets. In fact, the longest living peoples found in Japan tended to a diet which was not vegan in the slightest by consuming eggs, fish, and other animal derived products.

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>>42504907
>nonvegans don't eat plants at all!

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>>42504607
>>42504641
>>42504660
>>42504695
>>42504760
>It doesn't matter where the facts are from.
Yes, it absolutely matters where pseudoscience is from
>Facts are facts.
And those aren't facts
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/07/cheese-your-health-cvd-cancer-metabolic.html
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992

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>>42504941

>>42504859
Hypothetically if an alien race was trying to get your semen, would you rather they.

>Get a normal woman to give you a gentle handjob
>Bring in a 300lb black woman to ride you like a jackhammer

I know that will comparison will go right over your head.

A cow would be pregnant in the wild whenever a bull felt like fucking it, so how exactly is the gentle method of artificial insemination doing them any harm?

>>42504941
Good job citing blog spot and a defending the smallest possible point against milk that you possibly could. Shill.

>>42504957
Oh definitely the second one. That's my fetish.

>>42504947
>Not reading
>>42504965
Good job not reading

Just ate a steak for lunch. It was delicious.

On the upside I ate some avocado and a few other veggies. Also tasty, but not nearly as much.

Why would anyone go vegan even tho their health benefits are bullshit and meat is much more tasty?

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>>42504754
Forks Over Knives was an overall better documentary to me. It's actually the one that got me to try being a vegan.

>>42504609
Saved

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YEA BABY.............. SNIFF...........SNIFF ......... YES BABY ILL SUCK YOUR JUICE UP.... HMMMMMMMMMM.... YEA BABY ILL BITE THAT JUICY RED SOFT SKIN..... YESSSSS...... SNIFF SNIFF.... SOO GOODD BABY..... KEEP DOING THAT.... OHHH IT FEELS SOO GOOD..... HMMMM....

>>42504754
That documentary is so shit that VEGANS debunked it.

https://www.vegan.com/posts/vegan-dietitian-review-what-the-health/

>>42504713
>avoid potatos
Irish BTFO

Couple questions for vegan bros.

>is there a source of creatine for vegans
>does fermented soy truly get rid of most phytoestrogens
>is fermented soy as GOAT as it seems
>how is vegan keto possible without relying on coconut

>>42504859
>a cow's consent matters, unless her rapist is another cow

You sure that's the argument you wanna go with?

>>42504593
some anon had a meal plan for hitting all the macros, minerals and vitamins WITHOUT supplements or any shit, just food.

anyone has it?

>>42506110
Ayyy that was me, I'm back home. Gimme 10'

>>42506905
I'm the same guy too kek, hope you had a nice vacation.

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>>42506110
>>42507074
It was not "vacation" per se, Ι was looking for a room. Anyway, here is one, I think this one is 180 g protein 1600 kcal

>>42507556
whoops it was 150 g protein. And apparently I missed choline and vit E. I wasn't paying attention to micros desu, I tossed in whatever high protein to reach the requester's quota of kcal and protons. I'm sure some sunflower seeds and broccoli take care of the 2 missing vitamins.
Anyway this one is identical, just some extra pasta for extra calories (the next request was similar protein but I think 2500 kcal?)

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>>42507591
Fuck me I'm retarded

>>42507556
>>42507591
That's being a bit too autistic about diet.

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>>42507603
>>42506110
>>42507074
This is a next one. This was an actual day of eating for me. This isn't a random assortment of ingredients, you can actually make out the meals. There's a breakfast smoothie with some magic proton dust, some pasta, a tiny kale salad and some tortilla wraps (fucking delicious, holy shit)
As you can see, I missed choline again. I should really start eating broccoli again, but it gets boring after a while. Maybe I'll add it to my smoothies or something. Or look for another source idc.

>>42507640
thanks

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>>42507611
You're right, I don't eat like that every day, >>42507640 is way closer to an actual day.
>>42506110
Bonus round: Why chicken eggs are unnecessary (see title) - isocaloric comparison

By the way, you can also make omelette from gram flour. Eggs in recipes can be substituted with 1 part FRESHLY ground chia/flax and 3 parts water, left in the fridge for 60'

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>>42507655
But wait, there's more
Why cow milk is unnecessary - another isocaloric comparison
(pardon the title, I was t r i g g e r e d when I made these)
I used skim to make the comparison more fair for cow milk (to fit in more protons in less kcal). I literally gave myself a handicap.

>>42507556
>>42507603
>>42507640
>majority of protein from poverty tier sources with pies poor absorption rates
>acting smug
Embarrassing really. Before you ask for source here you go https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://jn.nutrition.org/content/145/9/1981.long&ved=0ahUKEwihsI3g39fVAhVDKVAKHfHXD50QFggqMAE&usg=AFQjCNHAxs74LRNCIi0x3haqCZRuwcff8Q

>casein in cows milk is the most relevent cancer promoter ever discoverd
r-really? I drink a shit load of milk and I also eat 500g of quark everyday, 40g casein

>>42507708
Why the fuck does auto correct hate the term piss poor.

>>42507708
Hm every other study about protein digestability had soy protein with the same overall rating as eggs/whey. Not that I really care much anymore.

>>42507732
>200 calories from soy
>enough protein
It's also less by about 10 percent than eggs and meat Chia and flax seed are garbage omega sources as well.

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>>42507686
>>42507655
Really makes you think:
I made this one for fun. A single ingredient, for an average /fit/izen's TDEE (I assumed that to be 2500).
I am 99.999% sure that legumes (vegan) hit most of the health markers, protein g, vitamins and minerals, fiber, satiety etc. I have yet to find an animal product so disgustingly healthy and cheap.
*Disclaimer: I am not saying you should eat 3 kg peas a day. I'm saying that if you have an allowance of calories one day and there's 1 euro in your pocket, your best option is probably to go to ALDI and buy a can of beans.
>>42507708
>source
too long to read, but the word (((PDCAAS))) caught my eye.
If you know its definition and high school algebra, it's clear why (((PDCAAS))) is a meme and does not even apply to someone eating a varied diet.
Please don't make me type it out, you won't listen anyway.

>>42507758
What's your opinion on fermented soy?
I heard it MIGHT reduce phytoestrogens and it's obvious that it removes carbs.
Thinking of eating natto as one of my main protein sources.

>>42507758
Well then read the study because that's not their conclusion you're legit embarrassing yourself here, doesn't help that you're also posting /pol/ dyels brackets.

>>42504947
I love this. If I drink 10 glasses of milk I'd have a 150% chance of dieing

>>42507782
>fermented soy
Soy in general has literally never been shown to raise serum estrogen. Whenever an anti-v*gan anon posts a source it's always a case study, but never a mechanistic one.
Dunno what natto is, haven't heard it here (yurop), but if it's accessible and cheap where you live go for it. Soy has a fantastic AA profile. >>42507686
Seitan is also an amazing source of protein, just make sure to consume enough legumes for lysine because gluten is low in it.
>>42507787
Just read the intro, some bits in the mid, and the entire conclusion. Nowhere does it say that a varied vegan diet is inherently bad for MPS. It makes a very clear point that what matters is a good AA profile. It doesn't say "eating X leucine, Y isoleucine and Z valine from beef is better than eating the same BCAAs from lentils".
There are no missing EAAs in any of these >>42507686 >>42507662 >>42507640 >>42507603 >>42507556.

If you missed that you can't read studies and shouldn't be citing them. Being dishonest is poor behavior. You may be getting a kick out of your sad trolling, but there are anons here who are legit trying to make it. Please stop posting.

>>42507879
"In this work, the consumption of soy protein was demonstrated to result in lower MPS rates than the ingestion of whey, milk, or beef protein. In addition, the acute skeletal muscle anabolic response was reduced with wheat protein intake when compared with the consumption of egg or whey protein"
Your brain has atrophied alongside your muscles hasn't it ? Shame.

>>42507928
>cherrypicking a single sentence out of context
You should be ashamed of yourself

>>42507879
Your whole aa tirade is them theorizing and saying further research is required.

Not going to bother to read all of your posts, but how much of a cuck do you have to be to impose your 1st world beliefs and instagram trends on lesser creatures. We are at the top of the food chain, we get to decide how animals dance.

>>42507948
>>42507957
There is no out of context you're being dishonest or are simply too stupid like the other anti vaxxers or anti fluoride retards from pol. If anyone doesn't buy what I'm selling read the study yourself and make your own judgment. Fuck if I care that you will take 10 years to hit a 2pl8 bench

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>>42507879
I eat seitan already sometimes, not a vegan or vegetarian just try to limit meat intake.
Unfortunately it's hard to just rely on mechanistic studies since the body is so complicated, from what literature I've read along as you don't eat an insane amount of soy everyday you should be fine as long as you are healthy.
I do know of people with hormonal issues that have intense periods and whatnot on soy so I do believe it can have affect, just like cholesterol having little affect on a young healthy athlete but fucking over fatties.

Pic related, it does have a shit ton of omega 6 which I have heard differing opinions on.

>>42508106
>no out of context
>CLEARLY omitted context
>projecting your bad bench on me
lol

>>42508119
"
Conclusions

To our knowledge, only a few studies have compared the postprandial MPS response to the ingestion of plant- vs. animal-based proteins. To date, the only plant-based protein source that has been extensively studied in an in vivo human model is soy protein. In this work, the consumption of soy protein was demonstrated to result in lower MPS rates than the ingestion of whey, milk, or beef protein. In addition, the acute skeletal muscle anabolic response was reduced with wheat protein intake when compared with the consumption of egg or whey protein in a rodent model. The proposed lower muscle anabolic properties of plant- as opposed to animal-based protein sources may be attributed to differences in protein digestion and AA absorption kinetics, and/or AA composition. Various strategies that may improve the MPS response after the ingestion of plant-based proteins include the fortification of plant proteins with free AAs, the blending of various plant protein sources to create a more complete AA profile, selective breeding of plants to improve AA composition, and/or the consumption of greater amounts of plant proteins. Research is required to compare the anabolic properties of the many different plant-based protein sources and to assess the potential of the various strategies that may augment the postprandial MPS response to the ingestion of plant-based proteins."

Literally nothing against what I said I don't need to project shit you are weak this is a fact.

>>42508151
Man I really can't read you. Are you really not trolling?

>>42508166
Are you? English is your third language is this what it is?

>>42508183
Not that guy but the study even suggests getting a more complete AA profile would probably help (which any smart vegan does) and that getting more protein in general would help against absorption rates (which wouldn't be hard).
Overall more studies need to be done to see if vegans have a marginal disadvantage at protein intake or not if AA is covered.

The talk about crossbreeding is neat though, everyone would like more plants with complete AA profiles.

>>42508183
Okay, you may be a honest disoriented fellow. Tell you what. I really have to sleep. I'm bookmarking the page. If you keep this thread alive for the next 21 hours from now, I'll explain to you how the conclusions of this study are either inconclusive, or irrelevant to my posts since I make sure enough EAAs and total protein are provided.
Good night.

>>42508210
The study theorizes this , however with the current research we have vegan diets are shit for mps which is stupid for anyone that does weight training to then go on one.

>>42505255
>is there a source of creatine for vegans
yes, creatine supplements

>>42508227
Stubborn patronizing mule.

>>42508236
I feel like if a vegan is still able to make good gains he shouldn't worry about it too much, min-maxing for someone who isn't an athlete is imo stupid, however more power to you if you do.
Am excited for further research though.

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>>42508256
Hate the messenger, but be recipient to the message
>>42508210
Basically this. I had a 2000/2000 char post in mind but this is a good enough tldr.
>>42508236
>vegan diets are shit for mps
Pic

>>42508279
Already stopped that guy in his tracks.
>>42508274
You're right you should also place vegetable oil instead of petrol in your car I mean you're not driving a bmw are you?

>>42505138
What the Health was literally a documentary that felt all over the god damn place. I feel like it should have just been about diabetes and cancer awareness but they tried to go Vegan with it because of jew producers, funding sources, and selling to a popular trend.

>>42507556
What app or tool is used here? like the clear UI

>>42508309
Really shitty analogy, if someone finds that they feel better eating vegan, or that the literature says to them that they should be eating vegan, then I don't think they should worry too much about muscle growth as it doesn't seem to have that large of an affect.
Especially since they didn't control for complete AA and more protein.

Any vegans here own cats?

There was a big fight on /an/ this morning because some vegan wanted to feed their cat a vegan only diet. Do any of you do this? How do you feel being a trusted guardian of an obligate carnivor and ruining its diet?

I stopped eating dairy mostly because it just makes me feel sick.

>>42509875
I heard there are good ways to do it but it seems you have to pay for expensive vegan cat food and give your cat supplements.
I feel like it's much safer and kinder to just feed it cat food though.

>>42504607
why didn't they add protein and calcium alongside the pus blood hormonese and antibiotics

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Who else /dangerouslyaddictedtocheese/ here?
>Stealing from my family to pay for my cheese addiction
>Melting brie and shooting up between my toes
>Attend every cheese roll event and it's taking its toll on my physical wellbeing

>>42504695
is this b8 to drive people away from veganism?
>THE MILK INDUSTRY IS DRIVEN BY MONEY
my god, why didn't someone tell me sooner

>>42508461
>it should have just been about diabetes and cancer awareness but they tried to go Vegan with it

No. It's vegan propaganda. It was always vegan propaganda. It's by the Cowspiracy guy. When hysterical lies about greenhouse emissions turned out not to work, he switched to hysterical lies about eggs giving people cancer.

>>42504623
>More than 70 percent of the grain that we grow is fed to farmed animals

Exactly. Soil degradation. That alone is why our governments needs to outlaw animal consumption. It's not about morals. It's pure survival. You don't need the 5 minutes of mouth pleasure meat or dairy gives you. If you want to be a degenerate then find a vice that's less damaging to our soil.

>>42510289
You don't need your computer. Put its rare earth minerals back in the mine and never post again.

>>42510303
Why? What do rare earth minerals being mined have to do with anything in my post? This is about fitness and health. The animal industry leads to soil degradation which leads to none of us being able to get any nutrients.

>>42505091
Taste is definitely subjective and can change over time based on your overall dietary behaviors. If you don't eat meat for long enough, not only does it not taste as good, it will make you ill.

>>42507758
>legumes
>incomplete proteins
he's not gonna make it.

>>42510494
also
>7 pounds of peas
are you retarded?

>>42505265
>>>42504859
>>a cow's consent matters, unless her rapist is another cow
>You sure that's the argument you wanna go with?

I laughed way too hard

>>42508468
cronometer
>>42510494
>>42510522
>ABLOO ABLOO I AM THE HUGEST RETARD IN THE ENTIRE BOARD

>>42510170
Because there are ZERO nutrients in milk.

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This skeleton says that he eats lots of protein, and that Quorn is a good source of it.

I guess it's time to go vegan.

>>42504713

cringe

>>42507556
>>42507603
>>42507640

How do you manage to fail your potassium intake on a vegan diet? Beans, greens, and fruits are full of potassium. I end up getting like 176% of the DV.

>>42504695
>_______ industry is driven by money
wtf i hate ______ now

Let's get all this moral shit aside


Does meat increase your risk for cancer/heart disease/etc?

Does milk increase your risk for cancer/heart disease/etc?


can I get all the nutrients I need from a vegan diet under a reasonable budget

Health and finance are the only things that matter to me when it comes to diet honestly. Is veganism a legit option from those angles?

>>42511771
Processed meat yes, red meat very likely, lean meant/fish not directly.

Yes but it's pretty marginal.

Yes, easily.

Yes but if you don't believe in it you will never stick to a vegan diet. (Which is why I am not anymore)

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any good links to best vegan protein sources? pic is unrelated, my cat

Using your shitty vegan fag thread to roll for push-ups, saged

>>42508461
Jews wants us to be vegan... why?
The Meat industry is the best they can have to Keep the Pharma Industrie going.
Why should jew promote vegan Lifestyle?

Serious question.

>>42510194
>http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/02/23/516779481/doctors-book-presents-the-case-against-dairy-crack
cheese addiction is indeed a real thing

FUCKING MEAT EATERS FUCK OFF

>>42504607
Any affordable alternative to milk for gains? Need something cheap/easy that doesn't cause cancer.

Inb4 soy milk that shits expensive as fuck.

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>>42509875
let the fucking cat hunt mice and birds.
Brainless Idiots.

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>>42504593
Help lads. Do I need to get 1g/kg or 1g/lb of protein/bodyweight. Currently 72-5kg at 187cm, 80g of protein is achievable most days but I'm not sure if I need to be eating more to make better gains.

>>42504641
>Fewer calories

Trying to bulk here, retard. It's also twice the price. Any better suggestions?

>>42504593
I would like to switch to human milk.

How do I do this? They don't sell it in the supermarket?

>>42504947
>from all causes

Better not drink that glass of milk, unless you want to die in a car accident

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>>42504593
>my ancestors literally lived off of cow and buffalo milk for 1000s of years
>ppl now telling me it's bad for me

lactose intolerance is a meme right /fit? do modern dairy processing methods really fuck you that hard?

>>42504760
Then why almond milk costs 3 times as much as regular milk?

>>42513170
I think it's more the modern cow raising methods in the US.

I live in the alps and the cows still mostly free roam and eat whatever grows in the wild.
Plus you can buy milk directly from farmers if you bring a container and visit the stables and so on.

When I was in the US for vacation all the milk tasted strange to me.

>>42513170
your ancestors drank maybe buffalo and cow milk. And even if they drank it, It was only for hundreds of years if...
Before 1000 of years humans lived only off fruits and nuts

and im not even Vegan, comon sense.

>>42513401
>Before 1000 of years humans lived only off fruits and nuts
"Whenever and wherever it was ecologically possible, hunter-gatherers would have consumed high amounts (45–65% of total energy) of animal food. Most (73%) hunter-gatherer societies worldwide derived >50% (≥56–65%) of their subsistence from animal foods, whereas only 13.5% of these societies derived more than half (≥56–65%) of their subsistence from gathered plant foods. In turn, this high reliance on animal-based foods coupled with the relatively low carbohydrate content of wild plant foods produces universally characteristic macronutrient consumption ratios in which protein intakes are greater at the expense of carbohydrate."
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/3/682.full

They didn't live mostly off fruits and nuts, and you could have figured this out easily through common sense, as you put it: there are no nuts and fruits in temperate areas for more than half of the year. So these people ate a lot of small game and plenty of fish. Large game was rarer.
You are very correct to point out that there was no milk in these diets, though.

>>42504607
This is totally right.

>>42504695
>Are you a baby cow
Shit... Guys i just realised that I'm not a baby cow, wtf I'm now a vegan.

>>42504593
Casein is more cancer promoting than gamma rays?

The only cancer here is this image.

>>42511611
KEK
E
K

>>42513064
Protein nut milk from silk. It's a almond cashew blend. 10g of protein per serving.

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>>42513466

You're about ten years too late to believe that bullshit. Here's a Biologist weighing in on "paleo and ancestral diets"

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

Meat eaters really are brainlets, huh?

I honestly wish I could go vegan, but I love chicken and mince so much. I really dont think I could do it. Maybe if I had someone to make all the wonderful meals for me? Goddamn I love chicken and mince.

>>42515167
You are pathetic and weak.

>>42504593
Casein - false, straight up
Growth - I don't have bad skin, doesn't matter
Linked - ok, maybe, but so is literally everything else
Calcium - this isn't a reason not to drink it
Lactose - I'm not an underdeveloped nog, this doesn't happen to me
You're - yeah, humans can modify their environment. Get over it, greenies.
Makes - good, I want to bulk
Packed - again, I need more fat
There - hahahahaha no
Cheese - "dangerously" addicted to cheese...

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Reminder: This qt3.14 was a vegan chef and health counselor and the gf of the idiot who directed Super Size Me.

She dropped him and veganism. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-BM4dm4rX8

https://alexandrajamieson.com/im-not-vegan-anymore/

Maybe I could give her my sausage ;)

>>42515167
Vegan chicken and mince replacements taste almost like the real thing. Other meats are harder but those two have plenty of subs that taste nearly identical

Veganism has no place on a fitness board. Fuck off. Plenty of reddit subs for your fad diet cult.

>>42515306
>the literally best diet for health and environment has no place on a fitness board

Veganism rules. We don't have your clogged arteries, meat cuck.

>>42513401
>>42515165
>You're about ten years too late to believe that bullshit.
It's not bullshit
>Meat eaters really are brainlets, huh?
Both figuratively and literally no.
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate)
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html?m=1&zx=db243702fa8789d8

>>42515382
>time
>livescience

Oh Gee, I am really convinced that these sites provide believeable data. Better ask Jesusissavior.com about atheism.

>>42513170
>lactose intolerance is a meme right /fit?
Unless you legitimately have it, yeah.
>do modern dairy processing methods really fuck you that hard?
No
>>42504941
>>42515320
>We don't have your clogged arteries, meat cuck.
Good thing "meat cucks" don't either.
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

i need to bulk on a vegan diet but i have ibs.
legumes of all kinds give me stomach pain/bloody stool

all im eating so far is potatoes, cheerios, spinach and bananas
anything else i can eat?

>>42515545
nuts
olive oil
vegan protein powder

>>42515568
isn't too much fat bad for you?

>>42515382

Obviously, a couple thousand years of meat eating weights more heavily against 20-40 million years of eating fruits, nuts, and starchy vegetables.

Holy fucking brainlets, Batman.

If you had bothered to read the piece i posted that was written by a biologist, you wouldn't look like such a stupid piece of shit. Go fucking read it you brainless moron. Stop posting your stupid ass blogs written by stupid fucks without a phd in science.

>>42515421
I'm convinced you didn't read them at all and are shitposting about how much you didn't

>>42515761


Link something that was written by someone with a phd in biology or anthropology. Not your bullshit blogs where bros attempt to understand a study or two. That's how this works you fucking retard.

>>42515755 #
>Go fucking read it you brainless moron. >doesn't read
>lectures people about not reading

>Holy fucking brainlets, Batman.
>If you had bothered to read the piece i posted that was written by a biologist, you wouldn't look like such a stupid piece of shit.
>This level of projection

>Stop posting your stupid ass blogs written by stupid fucks without a phd in science.
Even more shitposting about how much you didn't read.
>>42515794
>Link something that was written by someone with a phd in biology or anthropology.
I did.
>That's how this works you fucking retard.
And I did you fucking retard.

>>42510289
>This thing is bad so gubment should outlaw it!!!
Good I hate shits like you.

What if I think that it's good and just for animals to die to feed humanity?

>Almost 160 posts still not a single body pic or lifts video from vegans
>it's a fit diet guys
As bad as ketofags honestly.

>>42515967
At least keto is good for cutting, all veganism is good for is coming out to your parents

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>>42504607
>>42504660
>>42504695
>>42504947
>>42515538

>>42516020
looks good for bulking

>>42508554
Is that why vegans are all dyels? Literature also finds them deficient in b12 calcium and iron but hey you're the only smart vegan all the rest are retards.

>>42516029
Semen, toenails, AND bones?
That's a lot of brotein

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>>42504713
this guy

>>42504737
I beat my diabetes with this diet you fucking inner city starbuks vegan

>>42504695
>milk is for baby cows

what if i identify as a baby cow?

http://sphinxsai.com/2016/ph_vol9_no6/2/(417-423)V9N6PT.pdf

How much can you deadlift vegan friends?
How often can you train? for how long? how much muscle mass are you carrying?

Like Eric said, there is more to milk than just protein and fat.

That all's pseudo science in that pic where is the citations or link's to a relevant study that correlates to the info. My cat drinks milk so does my dog and any other animal that you put it infront of because it's so good. Vegan bs as always.

>>42515577
No?

>>42504669
lmao

>>42513170
That's a poor way of thinking, the body doesn't adapt to foods for healthfulness and longevity, it just adapts to survive.

>>42516037
Not vegan, but the same literature goes on to say that meat eaters are deficient in a number of things as well.
It's far more likely a normie problem than a diet choice problem, normies are bad at tracking their diets, including vegans.
Assuming most are dyels because fitness culture doesn't attract vegans as much, there are some cases of swole vegans though.

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>>42515382

- Jeff Kluger- Times journalist, BA in political science, JD in law, zero science degrees. Zero fucking biology or anthropology.
>Charles Q. Choi from live strong- zero science degrees stated.
>Christopher Wanjek degree in journalism. master's degree in public health

ZERO FUCKING PHDS IN BIOLOGY OR ANTHROPOLOGY YOU SHIT EATING FAGGOT.

You must be eating a lot of meat.

>>42517158
>anthropology
The only anthropology that's real science is forensic

>>42517158
>ZERO FUCKING PHDS IN BIOLOGY OR ANTHROPOLOGY YOU SHIT EATING FAGGOT.
>Even more not reading
>You must be eating a lot of meat.
You must be not reading

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>>42517509

Did read, it's

>not a source.

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>>42516114
>what if i identify as a baby cow?
YOU CAN'T DO THAT KLURMPF, YOU'RE A WIGHT MAIL

>>42504593
the overwhelming majority of vegans go back to eating meat after being a vegan
get this cancer off of /fit/

>>42518549
No you didn't and you're just making up excuses to shit post about how much you didn't

>>42504713
People should learn not to qualify all GMOs in one basket, is like saying all proteins are the same

>>42515538
If there is one thing i fucking hate is people talking what they dont fucking know

1. What the fuck are pus cells? Lymphocites? Neutrophils? If that is a YES i have no problem with having puss cells in my milk, because what causes "pus" is a combination of secretion made by the inmune system in response of a DANGEROUS bacteria, and their rests . So there is no pus in milk, there is some white cells that cant cause damage to a human body.

2. To debunk that fucking image, about 90% of americans drink milk but the prevalence of Crohns diseases is about 0,05, weird, btw Crohns diseases is a type of colitis, it seems the author didnt know what he was talking about.

There is only 1 article about the correlation between cow milk and cancer it is from 1997, that is like 200years in scientific research and there hasnt been any other studies with the same conclussion. Not the ACOG (The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists), nor the UAU (Urologyst Asociaton of America) not even the ASCO recognize the cassein nor the whole milk as a carcinogenic

SO FUCK THE AUTHOR OF THAT IMAGE