Serious talk

fuck off dough-boy

who gives a shit.

If you wanna be huge just roid.

If you are happy with just being fit and in shape, then stay natty.


also take off your trip you fucking faggot.

>>42485389
You are neither right nor wrong

We all have different ideals and goals and even if you are lifting for girls you still can't generalize their taste into one body type

>>42485389
What's your point? That we should just give up?
I lift because I like it and "starve" myself because I like the way I look afterwards. No other reason. If you can't understand that then you haven't been lifting for long enough or lack some serious mental gains.

Normies notice gains more than lifters.
I attribute this to severe BDD affecting how we see other gym dudes as "small".

>>42485389
What's your point? That you need to have lots of mass to look big?

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iya

People are telling me I look like I'm in good shape/lift and I'm like 6'1 180 @ 12% with 14 inch guns lol that's without even telling them I lift or anything. I'm nowhere near my final form, it's quite hilarious.

I used to be 150 pounds so maybe that's why.

I agree, this is 100% true.

At 85kg and 5'7 I get a lot of comments saying I'm muscular and shit when I have clothes on. Despite the fact I'm actually like 20% bodyfat and have a gut (that I can hide easily because I have strong core).

I cut down to 73kg and looked DYEL in a shirt, but without a shirt on I looked very muscular.


Losing 12kg of fat made me look like I had gained 12kg of muscle (when shirtless)

>>42485471
Christ... whats his dick look like?

>>42485471
vascularity is cheating

>>42485498
>/fit/

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>>42485494
get lean dude, not having abs sucks, you will never go back

>>42485518
He's 5'6" though, of course he looks big.

>>42485518
this.
abs is more than just having visible abs when you take your shirt off.
abs is a mindset that radiates through your shirt in the form of pure confidence created by having abs.

>inb4 little skinny bitch
I cut down from 95kg fatass powerlifter down to 77kg and I can definitely say the confidence from abs is better than the confidence from strength.

Wear a tighter shirt

>>42485526
the guy that I replied to is 5'7, not that big of a difference

>>42485543
Yeah, shit, I should read more. I agree though, I'm trying to get abs lean because anything else just looks like you aren't even serious about fitness to me.

>>42485389
Trick question. Manlets can't get 17inch arms. Anything above 16" is next to impossible under 6'0.

Inb4 6'0 is manlet

>>42485602
5'10 with 17" here natty

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>>42485602
>Manlets can't get 17inch arms
pic related 5'7 and 20'' arms

I'm sure that there are more manlets with 17+ inch arms

>>42485421

>take off your trip

This guy gets it. We need more people like him

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>>42485624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72iZMrhvoFo

>>42485389
you can be lean and have some size to you despite what autistic powerlifters on /fit/ believe.

Also we live in a time where everyone is DYEL or fat as fuck (NA at least). It is pretty easy to look /fit/

>>42485389
There are way too many factors to this shit. I hate black and white statements like "this is the only way" that is here so often.

If you're a strong dude and don't mind carrying extra chub, go for it. If you feel better lean, then lean down a bit.

You don't need a certain look to be desirable to other people. Everyone is different.

Boardie is my goal body, but I'm gonna need gyno surgery to get rid of my puffy point gyno nips if I want to pull off strong chub mode. That's just me

Do what the fuck you want to do, don't let other people drive your car to success

>>42485389
Thats why, as a natty, you should stay in the 12-14% bf range. Lean but still looking full

>>42485389
Then wear a small/tight shirt, you don't have to buy larger shirts for no good reason.

>>42485389
Try going to festivals and beaches. When I lived by the beach I was shirtless at least 10% of the time

>>42485617
youre fat though

>>42485738
lol no
I weight under 80kg most days

>>42485389
>99% percent of the time you have a short on and look kindda small if you're cut

Agreed. But that 1% of the time shirtless will be enough to body mog people for generations to come of you're properly ripped (<10% bf).

Looking dyel with a shirt on is a good thing. Learn to dress well

>>42485838
Why not dress well AND look fit?

>>42485852
Because you can't. /fit/ and /fa/ here, and aside from summer it's pretty much impossible to do both since the trend for men's clothing is slim fit, tapered etc... This is more of a problem with legs than upper body, but still you will look 100x better ottermode wearing a slim fit linen button down in early fall than you will if you're a roid droid.

That's not to say that you can't look fine wearing a t-shirt and jeans like every big guy does, but you're not gonna be "dressing well" in any real sense of the term. Depends on how much this matters to you. If you just want to be banging sloots you can take your pick and be fine either way, but if you're actually into fashion you're gonna need to lose some weight

It's all about having wide shoulders and well developed traps, plus arms that fill out your shirt, that's it.

If you have shit shoulder and trap genetics, then too bad, you'll always look DYEL unless you roid.

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>>42485889
>but still you will look 100x better ottermode wearing a slim fit linen button down in early fall than you will if you're a roid droid.

>t. DYEL

Looking like you lift is a good thing, it makes you look more masculine. Girls don't want boys, they want men and men have muscle.

>>42485889
Maybe you're right, but to me 'dressing well' is some chinos and a dress shirt, which is fine as long as you're not roidhuge.

>>42485771
Okay post your arm then tubby

>>42485926
Did you read a fucking thing that I said? I didn't say you have to be auschwitz you illiterate gorilla, just that it's difficult to be huge and still be fashionable. You have to find a middle ground where you're in good shape, aesthetic but still have a fairly slim build (which is generally ottermode).

>>42485933
Yea like I said, you can look fine and be better dressed than 95% of dudes on a college campus if you lift. Hell just putting a modicum of effort into your outfit will put you in the top percentile regardless of your body. But if you want to really stand out and have an individual sense of fashion that's still in line with current trends, it's better for men (right now, trends change over time obviously) to be on the slimmer side.

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>>42485951

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>>42485982

>>42485997
thankyou, Anon

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It depends entirely on the shirt you are wearing and which muscle groups are developed.

If you have big traps, and some good arms, people will always see you are jacked even with an xxl shirt.

If you are cut and visually lack the mass, you just need to wear a shirt that fits nicely.

Im 185lbs at 6', so not big at all, but this black shirt im wearing in the picture makes me look huge.

And if i wear something else, its as if i lost 20 lbs of mass.

Being lean gives you face gains which is like the most important thing when it comes to girls

>>42485982
/fraud/
lookin good tho

>>42486019
this so much.
for me, the difference from 15 to 10% was night and day.
It completely changes the contours of your face and jawline.

>>42486033
ok, I did run a half-cycle of sterons a year and a half-ish prior to that photo. Only ran 4 weeks and binned the rest since my kidneys really don't respond well to them. eGFR dropped like fuck for the brief time I was on.

>>42485464
No, lifters just become redpilled. Normies are easily fooled by the slightest bit of muscle mass, but lifters know that the natty limit is actually shit.

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>>42485518
This is my ideal physique. I don't care about abs.

>>42486066
>the natty limit is shit
it really isn't
with the right diet, training, and rest you can get juicy/strong as fuck. It just takes a hell of a lot longer than a steroid user, and the upper limit is obviously different.

Depends where you live imho. If you live in a warm and sunny place you might wanna be leaner. If the climate is not that great it doesn't really matter. Don't go above 15-17% because in most occassions your face will become bloated and you wanna avoid that

Shoulders are a biiig part of it

People with naturally big shoulders have wider chests which also adds to it. I always had big shoulders at like 21''-22'' even before I started lifting and people were always asking me if I lifted or played sports and I didn't

Shirts are gonna fit you much better and look more snug rather than being baggy and down to your knees

>>42486018
how big are your arms?

>>42486068

You know that's still like 10-12% bodyfat, right?

Boa I just look fat in a t-shirt

And out of one ;_;

>>42486190
>love handles and barely visible abs
i'd say more like 15%

>>42485982
Post an unfiltered pic of you flexing your bicep retard, not an old ass picture of you smashing your tricep up against your side to make it look bigger

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If you wanna look fit in clothes you just need t-shirts that are snug around chest and arms and hang loosely around your stomach. Thank me later.

>>42485389
>Being this insecure that someone skinnier than you might bang chicks
Holy insecurity Batman!

1.85m 80kg.
It's not even that hard to look fit you retard. All you need are big enough pecs that are form a noticeable shape through your shirt, that's about it.

>>42485389
>lifting for girls: the poster

Absolutely pathetic

>>42485389
Just wear a shirt that's a couple of sizes too small.
I've barely been natty lifting for a year and you can easily see my pecs when I wear a small shirt.

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>Wears incredibly tight shirt
>Thinks no one else can pull off looking fit with a shirt this tight
Grade A autism.

>>42485389
how the fuck do you find casual button up shirts or dress shirts?

do you have to get everything tailored

just curious because my shoulders aren't even that big yet I have issues with this

>>42486189
16 inches

>>42485624
I think he's talking about natty manlets. A grandma could get 20 inch guns with roids.

>>42485533
I feel you. I cut down last year to single digit body fat. Actually got a little stronger in the process to.
Now I am twenty pounds heavier, stronger, and look good with clothes on, but I miss the way I felt when I was smaller. There is a sort of confidence that comes with it, like you say. There was this in between stage where I was still pretty lean, but the muscles were filled, and abs were bulky. I liked that to and feel the it's pretty sustainable.

>>42486383
you've already been mogged into oblivion, no need to keep posting just take some time away from /fit/ to recuperate

>>42485389
>tripfag makes a stupid post
was it autism?

just wear more fitted shirts, and you'll look like you lift

My gf enjoys licking my abs so thats why I stay lean.

If u are an idiot who lifts for girls heres a red pill.
Womens mind:
>veiny arms and abs
>woah you are so fit

Builtfat in their eyes is just "big", you could be overweight aka dad bod instead.

logan paul has 17.5" arms and is like 6'2" or something? He's pretty lean too.

>>42485389
>wear fitted shirts
>wear tank tops
>talk to girls about lifting and when they ask for proof that you lift, show them your gains
>post gym pics on Instagram

175lbs sub 10 % bodyfat at 6'0 isn't small though.

You'd look muscular in a nice fitting top.

>>42485484
That picture works so much better if you pretend it's Dennis from Always Sunny.

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>>42485670
>Boardie is my goal body

Hope you like needles boi

>>42485421
>trip off
You're new here

>>42486980
Calvin Klein, they fit me perfectly, 18 36-37 fits gr8.

>>42487799
you're an idiot. its tiny.

>>42486207
He's got no ab separation at all, that's at least 17/18%

I lift purely for strength, and not for girls. I started lifting because I saw how miserable my parents were due to their weight, and I told myself I never wanted to be like that. Wasn't interested in aesthetics, so that left me with strength training. Turns out when you don't lift for looks you don't attract girls that want that, so my girl prefers what I've got compared to being the /fit/ standard of shredded. I'm by no means fat, I still have somewhat visible abs but I'd never define myself as lean. I don't know how anons that lift for girls even stay motivated to be honest, only takes a few years to figure out that what they think means next to fucking nothing. Pussy doesn't need to be on so high a pedestal.

>>42487817
Shorts are too long

>>42487197
Whatever you say buddy, I'm not the one that roided to look like garbage

>>42488965
what size shirt do you wear, XL?

>6'0 171 lbs
>started at 133 lbs
>back in the gym for 3 months
>its bench day
>all the benches are taken except for 2 big guys about to do incline DB bench
>ask to work in
>warm up with 30lb DBs
>their faces when
>50lb 75lb 85lb
>you must be warming up to something big huh
>they grab the hundreds and both do a set
>one guy awful farm and struggling
>my turn
>"you sure you got that bro?"
>rep out a solid 5
>their faces when
>rep out another 5 for 2 sets
>they ask me how I bench 100s when small


These guys had arms and chest 3x my size lol.

>>42489195
But how do you bench being so small

are you sauing that the whole
>at a certain point the guys training for strenght will get bigger
is a lie?
why you small, bro?

>>42489219
I've always been a small guy. When I stop lifting I shrink back down to 130lbs. I was on a good role and wanted to hit 200lbs. I was putting on 13lbs or so a month. Would have easily been 200lb by month 6. Making solid progress but then I got sick, lost 10lbs, lost my appetite for weeks and then started a new job and lost motivation again.

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>>42485389
this is very true. if you're a natty, go for ~15 bf% >200lb and build the yoke. that's how you look big.

im 5 11 175 pounds with 16 inchs, and I get mired allthe time, and girls ask me to take my shirt off regularly. So I think you are being poisoned by fake internet standards.


Try those calvin klien body modal shirts I wear them all the time and I get lots of compliments on them and they show off my gainz pretty well. For what its worth though im like maybe 43 inch chest, 31 waist

>>42485389
What is even your point? That it's better to be big? Go ahead, good for you.

>>42488965
>Calvin Klein, they fit me perfectly, 18 36-37 fits gr8.

thanks brother, we have similar sizes albeit my neck is a tiny bit smaller. I'll check it out

>>42489145
XXL

>>42489452
>body modal
Good looking out, what size do you wear? 46"-48" chest here

>>42489716
I have both medium and larges since im like 43 chest, but my waist drop is quite drastic at 31 so I can pull either off. The shirts are stretchy but super comfortable. So one is really tight, one is a little looser. . most comfortable shirts ive ever worn. I would get them on sale though because they are like 35 bucks regularly but with sales you can get them for like 19. Easily can try them on at the store though if you want, just go to a macys and see whats up.

Vitruvian physique looks good

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>>42489869
Shit forgot pic

>>42487077
>his grammy couldn't get 20 inch arms natty

grammy jemima laughs at your fucking sizelet genetics.

>>42489874
Wearing black as a lifter is the worst thing possible, it hides your definition. Better off wearing colours where you can see the shape of the body.

>>42485389
This is literally female tier mental gymnastic coping.

>>42487094
Underrated

>>42490029
Those are some hot buzzwords but go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong

>>42490043
>I don't like enjoy eating well enough to be below ~16% body fat
>everyones fitness goals should be the same as mine!
>a-a-at least I look big in a fitted medium t-shirt

>>42490088
Fucking LOL this delusion. I'm specifically speaking to the muh aesthetics fags
>eating well enough to be below
No it's just a matter of eating enough

>medium t shirt
Yeah but go ahead and post yfw that's a xxl that I'm wearing in OP

>>42490114
You're literally saying people should strive to have bigger arms over having visible abs. They're both aesthetic qualities. The preference is completely subjective to the person.

I seriously dont understand what your entire point of this is other than making a thread highlighting that you have a superiority complex because your "bigger" than people with abs and attention whoring...like a girl.

>It's a matter of eating enough

It's about eating the correct quality and quantity of food as it relates to your individual goals. Some people's goals are to have lower body fat and look good. Some people's goals are to sumo pull 5.5 plates and post it on 4chan...

>post yfw thats a xxl that I'm wearing in OP

Sure thing pal.

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Dis me mayne,
>18 years old
>High school senior
>But only 5'10"
Still look tiny compared to non lifting tall people.

>>42485389
>Okay guys let's have a real discussion here. 99.9% of the time, you're going to have a shirt on. If you're cut but small (not talking about moderate, i mean small with abs, like 175lbs at 6'0 small) and you're talking about aesthetics, nobody will think you're fit if you have a shirt in. So 99.9% of your time in public you'll just look skinny, not even fit.

Sure, you see that all the time. Except it requires roids...

>>42485389

am I small at 6'0 190lbs ?


I have abs that sorta stick out / big core. My chest needs working on. and biceps are apparent in any shirt.

don't wear anything too small. I sweat and it gives me a rash and looks try hard.

>>42485982
I have the same stomach as you, wtf is up with it

>>42490234
weight ?

>>42491724
clocked in at 153 this morning after a shit

>>42488965
requesting anti-tripfag copypasta

You're gonna appear big no matter what as log as u workout hard. tall or short.

>>42490004
it's good if you're a fatty and your fatceps are the only thing going for you. this is most of /fit/, which is why this board likes black so much.

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this is wht Naturally Enhanced is the ultimate redpill. stay at ~15% bf for optimal mucle fullness but flat stomach and put big emphasis on upper back, neck and forearms

>>42491773
That's not 15%. That's ~9% that guy is lean just needs to shave, dehydrate and tan.

I'll ask this here since it also has nothing to do with fitness

how soon is too soon to ask someone to go to a siblings wedding?

my sister is getting married in a few months and i need to bring someone, thinking about just starting to date a random but i dont know if its kind of awkawrd to ask someone you''ve been dating for a few months to attend a wedding in another country

also what's the etiquette here, should I pay for her ticket?

whats the min. length of time you'd date someone before asking them? I need to plan this shit out

>>42491815
>i've been lifting for 6 months and i know what 9% bodyfat looks like

>>42485389
>v-neck
Hello 2009 lmao

>>42491941
>>>/fa/
Fit is important for me, and it's hard to find a nice shirt that fits nicely so I'll wear a v neck if it fits nicely

>>42491825
Couple months should be fine
>hey i have a +1 to a wedding, want to go?
Girls love getting dressed up for a wedding

>>42491741
>5"10 153
>literally smaller than 5"7 manlets on cbt
>I'm so small guys it their height
Yah nah you fell for the abs meme really hard

>>42492722
>Girls love getting dressed up for a wedding
Yeah, but then the marriage seed gets planted in their head and it starts growing.

>>42492862
Marriage and children are some of the most important things you can do. Maybe you don't see it yet but when you meet the right one everything changes

>>42493020
I'm gonna die alone m8

>>42485684

Everyone's leaving out one of the biggest pros of being lean, the face gains.

>>42491825
that length of time is fine but if you dont ask her to go to something with you and make her pay her own way. I know I certainly wouldnt go so yea better pay her ticket.

>>42488965
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>42489129
post a picture of yourself, luimarco

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>>42491773
I love Alpha Destiny, rack pulls are tough on my wrists, only pulled 7 plates so far :(

>>42491815
>barely any vascularity in the arms
>9% bodyfat
pick one

>>42491767
don't hate us because you anus!