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Testosterone levels at an all-time low

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What is causing it? How can we make sure that we minimize the effects on ourselves personally?
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>>42435491

Run a cycle or stop being a fatass
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>>42435491
Since the 70s the US government has advocated a low fat diet and the population as a whole has reduced their fat intake.

Ergo, vise vi, concordantly, T has fallen.
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>>42435491
that guy wasn't wrong though, it's just simple biology
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ban the anti baby pill
women shouldn't be allowed to avoid the estrogen increase during their period, it makes them pick weak men over stronger ones
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>>42435491
>white boy
>somehow this isn't just as racist/sexist as saying black girl
>>42435514
Nah man technically there are two sexes based on the reproductive organs, gender is a mental identification. Someone with a penis who wears dresses would be
>Sex: Male
>Gender: Female
Just to put it super simply. Obviously you can identify with no gender, or both genders, one gender one day and the next gender the next day etc. Sex is concrete based on genitalia. Gender is a mental thing.
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Stop drinking tap water. It has leftover birth control hormones in it.
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>>42435491
There are a myriad of causes such as obesity and estrogen mimickers in the food and water. Exercise, eat clean and filter your water.
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>>42435491
Because we're more sedentary, hit the gym and start hiking.

>>42435514
Yes
>>42436183
wrong, sex = gender
Gender is basically evolution telling us how/what to be based on our sex and bodies
it's telling women to do less excruciating jobs because their bodies are naturally weaker, and telling men to do hard labour jobs

Yes, it may be a social construct but it's there to keep you alive and well by trying to prevent you from doing retarded shit that your body is incapable of doing (see: women in the military)
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>>42436183
Reminder that there's no proof to back up the theory of gender and anyone who claims to be anything other than the sex they were born with, has a mental disorder.

There are 2 sexes and no genders.
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>>42436183

Gender is not a mental thing when it's .9999 correlated with sex.
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Gender is a weaponized academic construct intended to legitimize weakness and degeneracy.
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>>42436223
Not really true. Biologically testosterone slowly kills us in the long run.
It weakens the immune response (causing cancers and various other terminal illnesses) and greatly increases the risk of heart disease/failure through slight hypertrophy of the heart.
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>>42436330
The brightest stars burn the shortest. Also I don't believe you.
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>>42435491

based white boy
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>>42436330

Our bodies kill is in the long run. Well there's a fucking revelation huh. It's about quality of life.
Being low in testosterone is a much bigger problem than being high in testosterone. I hope you're not saying otherwise.
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>>42435491
grap seed oil, vitamin d, zinc, stopping browsing /pol/
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>>42436223
>sex = gender

Wrong. Sex is biology, gender is identity. The two are completely separate. You can be a bio-girl and identify 100% male.
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>>42436406
>The two are completely separate.

That's a lie and you shouldn't lie. Not even ironically.
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zinc picolinate
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>>42436183

sex=gender
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>>42436363
It's true. Biological trade off for being badass. You can't expect your body to constantly pump anabolics around for your whole life and not affect more than skeletal muscle.
>>42436380
I ain't saying sheeeit, niqqa.
The other guy said our hormones keep us alive and doing certain jobs, and I'm saying we have the capability to do those jobs, but it certainly doesn't keep us at a biologically perfect state. An adult chick will have a stronger immune system than dudes due to the high presence of oestrogen. Testosterone acts on various receptors to inhibit immune growth factors, it's why smoking dudes are far less likely to develop COPD than chicks smoking the same amount of cigarettes (even scaled for bodymass), cus our immune systems react with less severity to the smoke.
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>>42436406

Yes and I can identify as an attack helicopter and if I'm serious about that I have a mental illness.

Sex is real and there are 2 sexes. Gender is nonsense.
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>>42436457
>but it certainly doesn't keep us at a biologically perfect state

No, that would be a situation where the rate of cell death is a perfect 1:1 ratio, or something like that. Which is obviously not achievable. What you're saying essentially boils down to saying that men and women are different and have intrinsic biological advantages and disadvantages, which is true. Are you just informing everyone about that, or what?
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>>42435491

>Who lets these people out of the house
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>>42436406
>You can be a bio-girl and identify 100% male.
then that's a mental illness
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>>42436392
this behind him is house, they are not living any poor
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>>42435513
This.
Lower cholesterol means less building blocks for testosterone.
Body fat aromatising testosterone also causes a snowball effect. fat>low test>fatter>lower test
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>>42436489
Yeah, pretty much.
>>42436223
This comment just rubbed me the wrong way somehow about the keeping alive thing. Probably cus I have add, ocd and dyslexia.
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>>42436183
The definition for the term gender was deliberately changed to push this bullshit.

You are now aware of this fact and no longer have to accept liberal Bullshit.
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>>42436565
>This comment just rubbed me the wrong way somehow about the keeping alive thing. Probably cus I have add, ocd and dyslexia.
I'll rub your something else anon :3
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>>42435491
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>>42436598
That sounds haram, anon
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Basic guide to ideal T levels:
>get a half hour of sun exposure daily (wearing only shorts or a swimsuit), or supplement vitamin D (4000-5000 IU)
>exercise vigorously 6 days a week. Alternate lifting/calisthenics days and sprints/HIIT days. Walk for an hour or two if you want to lose weight (doing high intensity distance work wrecks your T levels due to corisol production)
>eat a high fat, high protein, low carb diet. Loosely try to keep your carbs to fruits and veggies only (occasional oats, pasta, rice, or beans is fine)
>move more. If you have to sit for your job, at least manspread. Keep your balls cool
>avoid T killing products like BPA plastics or IPA beers
>act more confident and assertive. Fake it until you make it if you have to
>strict no porn, only fap once or twice a week. Preferably find a woman and fuck her
>sleep 8 hours a day
>sounds weird, but tell the truth. Lying causes psychological stress, which increases cortisol and lowers T
>final recommendation, fast once a week. I fast from sundown Friday to sunrise Sunday. The reasoning is that it increases your insulin sensitivity, increases your metabolism, and burns fat while maintaining lean body mass (it doesn't kill gains, "starvation mode" is a myth). Plus it's great for self-discipline
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>>42436505
Gender dysphoria is no longer a mental illness.
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>>42435491
we're over
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>>42436630
what
in what world?
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Sex = gender. For all the people saying gender is just your identity, you are wrong. That's called your personality. Everyone has one.

Also people want to say gender is a social construct so they should ignore it? Well wearing a dress so you look like a girl is a social construct. You were born a man. You can do whatever you want for a 'll I care. Chop your sick off, get fake tots, take hormones. All this is fine if you (1) pay for it all yourself and (2) realize that you are still a man. Chromosomes don't lie.

For the ppl saying what abt those born with cat or some other such thing? Your genitals determine your gender. If you have both, you are a hermaphrodite. That's not a gender. You can choose to be a man or a woman. Or even both. But if recommend picking the one thats not sterile, and going from there.
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>>42435775
But then you'd never get any pussy
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>>42436642
In the civilized world.
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Reminder to all anons that you can fix this. Look at the high T levels of decades past and look at the trends between then and now, it explains itself. Men used to work outside more, especially 100+ years ago, meaning large amounts of vitamin D from sun exposure (that's why the recommended daily value of vitamin D is so low, if you went by just that recommendation you'd be deficient) vs today, most people are inside all the time. Result: vitamin D deficiency, lower T production, sometimes even seasonal affective disorder. In the past men used to do morse active jobs or at least walk places, as well as eat high fat, high protein diets (steak and eggs, fried in butter was a common breakfast at the turn of the cuntury), nowadays everyone drives even short distances and eats low fat, high carb diets. Result: massive increase in obesity and decrease in T (fat cells aromatize testosterone into estrogen, beer bellies literally create man boobs). Sperm counts were higher as well because everyone moved more: heat kills sperm, your balls are hottest when you're sitting or lying down, and coolest when you're moving. Result: sperm counts have halved in the past 30 years (also due to lower T). And finally behavior: acting assertive and cordially aggressive (don't be a nigger) is positively correlated with testosterone production, meaning how you act literally affects your hormonal levels. Men back in the day used to be assertive, stern, and commanding, which did and continues to make women's panties wet, no matter what they claim otherwise. Meanwhile some low-T, timid, beta, pussy wonders why he keeps getting strung along, cucked, and friendzoned. That's why.
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>>42435491
>What is causing it?
Sedentary liftestyles.
Not being competitive.
Absentee fathers.
Being raised by women only.
Too much internet porn and video games.
Shitty diet.

>How can we make sure that we minimize the effects on ourselves personally?
Become a tradesman and get off your ass.
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>>42435775
this is unironically true
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>>42436644

Naw my man. Sex is your biological chromosome markers, gender is what you identify as.

Your sex determines your genitals, the X/X X/Y decision is made before your gonads develop, not the other way around. This is a very complex issue, and based on your total lack of understanding, I would suggest you not weigh in on the issue any more.
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>>42436702
There was a thicker ozone layer then. The same exposure to sun causes cancer even faster.

As for vitamin D, it's often reinforced again and again in nutritional studies that 50% of most developed countries populations are vitamin D deficient.
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>>42436736
>gender is what you identify as.
But that's wrong, you fucking retard
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>>42436467
Are you an attack helicopter?
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>>42435491
Tons of factors influence it, many of them are fortunately inside your control.

>eat clean
>exercise daily
>don't smoke or drink in excess
>noporn, reduce fap to zero if possible, fucking > fapping
>compete and do challenges, win
>sire as many children as you can reliably sustain
>never stop lifting, never stop winning

And if you really want to you can supplement your T on a low-dose cycle.
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>>42436774
I identify as Hank Hill and I'm only attracted to propane
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>>42436763

Naw dog, it's not

"Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female. (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender)"
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>>42436681
Aka Europ00r.
Inb4Achmedbeheadstheladybois
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>>42436794
What about propane accessories?

Or is that like being a paedo?
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>>42435513
you cant honestly believe that a deficiency in fat throughout the U.S. is what's causing the decline in testosterone...
the decline in average t levels is in line with rising obesity levels
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>>42436736
The theories of gender identity were built on the foundations of a pedophile jew named John Money. Read about the case of David Reimer.
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>>42436794
An attack helicopter identifying as Hank Hill?

My wife is a psychologist and would like a chat.
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>>42436821

Don't be a fucking jackass

Jesus man, the whole anti-semite doom prepper neo nazi /pol/ vibe is so fucking tired.
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>>42436555
That looks pretty comfy, especially if it's really innawoods.
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>>42436681
Except it is, just like age dysphoria
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>>42436808
More like America
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>>42436846
Hey, maybe he was a pedophile jew?
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>>42436330
What the actual. You know what is fit becoming /lgbt/q
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>>42436846
He literally was a pedophile jew. His ancestry was Jewish as was his religion and the accounts of the Reimer twins show that he was a pedophile who insisted that children learn and act sexually at a young age.
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>>42436330
in that case, you should probably cut your nuts off
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>>42436736
Nah that's wrong. You are either male or female. Gender is just your personality. Stop advocating that makes in dresses are women. Start advocating that it's ok for a man to wear a dress. Break down gender roles. Not gender identitities
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>>42436893
>fit becoming /lgbt/q
His post had nothing to do with that
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>>42436905

I appreciate that you keep up with the antisemitism, because it helps me identify idiots.
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>>42436934
viper u stupid as hell
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>>42436893
http://jem.rupress.org/content/early/2017/05/05/jem.20161807
Long and short of it is about lung stuff, how testosterone modulates (lowers) immune response. This happens physiologically everywhere too. Men have a slightly weaker immune system, but it has it's own benefits, since we are less likely to develop auto-immune disorders too. This is all pretty new research from last year to now.

As for the heart stuff, that's been known for over a decade.
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>>42436928

Hey buddy, I don't give a fuck what people wear or identify as, because it's got no fucking bearing on me, and I'm not going to sit here and tell other people how to live. This shit is why I have such a hard time voting Conservative, because fuckheads like you took the political affiliation of liberty and freedom of choice and you've turned it into a fascist shitshow.

Chill the fuck out; if Joe Schmoe wants to be called Jane from now on and wear a dress, what the fuck's it to you?
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>>42436932
I suspect he was trying to discredit me by saying I was making shit up for a gay agenda
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>>42436928
Nonsense. Gender roles, or more accurate sex roles make up immutable foundations of society. Deviancy of traditional roles leads to social decline and needless suffering. Extreme sexual deviants need proper therapy and support networks to break their mental pathologies, not a blanket acceptance and even endorsement of their impaired faculties.
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>>42436964
show me one study that shows naturally high testosterone levels cause heart disease
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>>42436985
I am guessing you're right. This place reeks of shit, my man
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>>42436183

>gender is a mental identification

I see someone failed biology
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>>42436223
>>42436183
>>42436406

You guys are forgetting there is a thing such as neurological gender. Dick Swaab, a Dutch neurologist, extensively studied the differences between male and female brains. As time went on he expanded his research to brains of transsexual individuals.

It turns out, that trans men (those born female) have masculinised brain structures, and trans women (those born male) have androgynous to female brain structures.
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>>42437053
my bad: neurological sex**
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>>42436557
so i should consume just enough fats to not actually get fat but keep my shit in check?
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>>42437079
Fats don't make you fat, excess calories make you fat.
You are not a middle aged woman, anon, you are better than this, don't fall for momscience
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>>42437053
In his studies did he have any theories on why that was? From my understanding brain structure is relatively plastic and prone to modification from environmental stressors, degrees of myelination, as well as genetic factors.
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>>42437079
You make it sound like nutritional fat gives you body fat
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>>42437079
Consuming fats does not make you fat, consuming calories in excess leads to them being stored in fat cells.
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>>42437006
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/37/5/1199.short
I can't specifically point to it because the link can't be definitively made, and I really can't be bothered searching in-depth for the newest, cutting edge research, all I can point out is that men are 'disproportionately' at risk of heart disease and they have been known to be for a long time, as this article is from 2001. Physiology hasn't really progressed enough, despite going from 'lmao we theorise cells have membranes' in the 1940s to coming up with receptors linked with cancer nowdays. New receptors and feedback systems are still being discovered.
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People are fat, people sit on their asses all day which is correlated with less sperm and test, and people have garbage diet with 85% carbs.
Honestly if you work out and you take care of yourself with a proper diet you likely won't have low test.
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>>42437094
The part of your brain that is supposed to dictate (neurological) sex is such an innate part of your brain structure.

It's really a tiny portion and can only be studied post mortem. While not attributed to Swaab, the common theory of brain sex development is hormonal imbalances in utero. As it happens at a crucial stage of development, it is an irreversible change.

http://myragewillendworlds.tumblr.com this guy has tons of sources on this and even has explanations why meme genders like genderqueer and agender are impossible.

t. Trans guy who hates non binary ~*~queers~*~
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>>42437053
>Dick Swaab

Aye. I remember when he buried Asha Tuinbroecke on live TV.
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>>42436744
>>42437152
Oh yeah vitamin D is very important, and very easy to fix.
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>>42436819
You don't have to eat fat to get obese, you dumbshit. People switch out fat, which is actually nutritious, with fucking sugar. And there you go, now you're both fat, AND have no test!
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>>42435513
Lol bacon egg and cheese doesnt have enough fat in it? Fat shit
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>>42437171
Dick Swaab is the only reason I could convince my parents being trans was biological and not a phase. Plus the dutch healthcare treatment for young transsexuals is the best in the world.

Basically I love the guy.
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>>42437166
Interesting. Could external stressors affect this as well? It's known that many chemicals in our products are endocrine disruptors, I wouldn't be surprised if it's had an impact on the explosion of transexuality.
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>>42436627
Very nice. But the fapping party is a problem. I'm 35 and I still fap and cum on average 6 times a day. 2 before work, 2 after work, 2 before bed. I don't really do porn. Is that bad?

I have Grindr hookups 3 or 4 days a week and on weekends several a day. That correspondingly lower the fap count, but I still cum many times a day. I have a rather crazy libido and just want to fuck anything.
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it is literally because of increased estrogen and chemicals in the water from the presence of plastics, pills, pollution and medical waste
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>>42437216
>6 times a day
What? How? I can do it once a day max unless I'm really fucking turned on, and even then I find that it's harder to really get into it
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>>42437212
The explosion of transsexualism has a lot more to do with politics than with external stressors. Transsexualism has become a trend like bisexuality used to be. See the link I posted for more info on the cultural phenomenon. It's important to make a distinction between trans folk who genuinely want to alleviate their gender dysphoria, and leftists who want to be oppressed and special.

Perhaps external stressors on mothers would influence in utero hormone levels, but not at stages of infancy. This would mean that most of these mothers had such chemical endocrine disruptors in the 90s and early 00s.

What I can tell you, from my experience and that of my friends (both trans women and men) is that hormones are an integral part of fighting depression. Now that my levels are up to a level that I can grow facial hair and make gains, I hardly think of killing myself. I can imagine that people who don't exercise feel worse.
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>>42437216
OMG gay. OMG. OMG. OMG. Gay. Gay. Gay. Gay. Gay. Gay. Gay.
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>>42437301
You have to go back.
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>>42437332
The place you want me to go is where YOU came from, and now you're trying too hard to fit in.
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>>42437367
>Trying to fit in anonynously on an vietnamese underwater basket weaving forum
Really fires my neurons
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>>42437053
just because someone is more feminine doesn't mean they are an actual girl

if there's no (necessary) difference between men and women then theres no need to categorize them. if you want there to be a discussion about this whole gender thing then you need to explain what you need to do, be or feel like in order to be a man or a woman.

if there's no distinctions then we could just get rid of the whole idea of "gender" and start reffering to eachother by our biological sex (crazy, i know)
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>>42435513
>vise vi
fyi anon it's vis a vis (or vis-à-vis) and it means "with regards to"
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>>42437397
>Does the exact opposite of trying to fit in by flaunting gayness and draw attention to oneself

Inb4 muh double standards. Nobody else on 4chan talks about crushing poon because nobody here will believe it.
Those that do talk about crushing poon get ass blasted by angry virgins.

You can't talk about people belonging on reddit, friendo.
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>>42436995
>Deviancy of traditional roles leads to social decline and needless suffering
>according to my ass
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>>42435491
>What's causing it?
Obesity, lack of activity, lack of essential micronutrients.
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>>42437477
I'm not talking about outward expression. I mean "what sex hormone does your brain need more of to function normally?"

Plus, some trans women report having phantom breasts, and some trans men report having phantom penises. This is not unlike amputees. The brain says the body part is there, but the reality is that the body is missing it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21334362 here's something about neuro sex development to understand that a divergent development of sex of brain and body is possible (though exceedingly rare).

I agree that "gender" is vague and feeling like anything is hard to describe, but the alleviation of my depression and my dissipation of suicidal thoughts following my top surgery is my own testament to transsexualism being a real neurobiological phenomenon.
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>>42436630

Yes it is.
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>>42436642
>>42436630
Trans person here. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness in that it's effects are only psychological, there is nothing actually wrong with my body. I just require to change it so I don't feel the urge to kill myself.
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>>42436736

I identify as an attack helicopter. The simple biological reality that I am a human male, I deny. I insist that I am in fact an attack helicopter.

Now tell me I'm not mentally ill.
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>>42437541
I agree that transsexuality is a real neurobiological phenomenom.
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>>42436972

If Jack has schizophrenia and insists his name is Zulux the Sun God, and we should address him as His Majesty the Royal Greatest Ruler of the Galaxy and all that is Beyond, what the fuck's it to you? Don't be intolerant of his mental illness and instead indulge it.

Don't try to help this person deal with his mental problem, instead tell him to chop his dick off because that'll solve all his problems! I've known 2 guys who both killed themselves after their 'transition', and I hold the doctors and people like you responsible.
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>>42437200

You're a confused young kid who mistook having feminine characteristics for being a woman.
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>>42437541
>Plus, some trans women report having phantom breasts, and some trans men report having phantom penises.

Mentally ill people must make for reliable witnesses...
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>>42435491
The average age has gone up 10 years in the last 50. Middle aged men have less test than young men. That's literally it.
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>>42437672
I was born female and got my tits cut off.

>>42437689
Schizotypal delusions =/= neurological sex hormone imbalances.
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>>42436972
When he has the government point guns at me and tell me to call him Jane, that's a problem.
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>>42436183
Why are you falling for the tumblr meme? Sex and gender are synonyms, used interchangeably. It's not "one means this and the other means this!" horseshit that the special snowflake are trying to shoehorn into our language.
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>>42437501
Take a step outside your house today. Read the news once.

He is entirely correct in every way and fags like you are the ones who are ruining us.
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>>42437729
I can assure you in most civilised nations, they will not make you call her Jane. But they'll at least provide Jane with the possibilities to undergo a safe medical transformation.

If you want to be an asshole that's okay.
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>>42437743
Not a fag, just not a histrionic moron who thinks the whole world is going to shit because of gay people and pink-haired weirdos on college campuses. Keep falling for the jew blaming one boogeyman after another so you never look at who is actually fucking you over, cuck
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>>42436736
You can't just wake up in the morning and decide whether you'll be a man or women today. That's not how the body works.

It would be like me deciding to be an hermaphrodite, despite only having a penis
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>>42437810
>That's not how the body works.

Surprisingly, that's not what being transsexual is about either.
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>>42437810
omg congratulations!!!!!
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Gender is fluid & to think it exists on a binary is archaic AF.
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>>42437824
>>42437810
Exactly, because trannies aren't in charge of their own mental faculties, they couldn't possibly decide something.

They're mentally ill, they don't have a choice. Their brains are literally impaired in function.
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>>42437779
And who is actually fucking us over then? You don't know because you're just a contrarian, virtue-signalling K I K E.
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>>42437830
ugh
it's binary
you got the thing: you're male
you got a hole for the thing: you're female
anyone who thinks it's on a continuum must have such a tiny penis that he's uncomfortable characterizing it as such
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>>42437824
No but that's the exact basis "genderfluid" people are working off of.
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>>42437861
Yeah, and that make idiots like >>42437838 and >>42437729 think all of the meme gender folk are the same as binary medically transitioning "just don't want to be depressed" transsexuals.
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>>42435491
How do I get test for a cycle? You're not going to incriminate yourself by telling me I just want to know, is it even illegal or just restricted like how you can't buy antidepressants over the counter? I'm a britbong.
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>>42436330

t. Shlomo
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>>42437580
I want people like you to get real treatment. Not hormones.
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>>42435513
>vise vi
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>>42437717

You're a confused young kid who mistook having masculine characteristics for being a man.
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>>42437744
There's nothing safe about it, especially if it involves surgery. HRT can relieve symptoms of real clinical gender dysphoria, at the expense of losing your capacity to have children, but SRS does nothing positive, and most alleged trannies don't even have the disease
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>>42436467
>urr durr I identify as a raptor copter xDD

Fucking summer cannot end sooner.
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>>42437882
Medical transgender patients do not have their prognosis improved by surgery. More importantly, they're forcing this shit on prepubesent children
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>>42438073
Kys tranny
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>>42435513
>vise vi
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>>42437830
Mammals have two biological sexes. Which one you are is dependent on whether or not SRY is properly expressed. Gender doesn't exist
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>>42435491
Read Gorilla Mindset by Mike Cernovich and apply the techniques he recommends.
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>>42437053
>extensively studied the differences between male and female brains

Pretty sexist. Men and women are the same.
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>>42438078
Y'all heterobots are forcing this two gender pill on everyone from birth already
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>>42436392
Not a vargposter but his father was a very successful engineer, he deribarately chose to live like that
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>>42436627
the lying one is an interesting theory. the logic is sound behind it
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>>42438078
At least they're not forcing their shit into prepubescent children, like your parents do.
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>>42436821
>implying its the only study

/pol/ once again shows how retarded they are
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>>42438131
There are exactly two sexes. Mental gender isn't real. People with gender dysphoria physically feel like their body is the incorrect sex, which HRT helps and SRS does not. EVERYTHING else is just make believe.
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>>42438073

I've been here longer than I care to admit. The attack helicopter argument is simply a solid one, regardless of its status as a stale meme. You are making the claim that your mental choice to "identify as" somehow has any bearing on your actual sex or gender.
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>>42436599
No joke, what is in that?
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>>42438131

Are you implying that chromosomes are an invention by the evil white man to suppress your gender identity?
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>>42436627
Thanks for this, anon. Most of it seems legit and I'll start doing the ones I haven't been doing recently
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>>42438164
My parents did not give me hormone blockers or encourage me to crossdress and mutilate my genitals because they weren't dellusional lefty faggots.
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>>42438073
>this newfag thinks the helicopter gender came around this summer
lmao
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>>42438181
Tongkat Ali, Ashwaganda, a few other herbs

It's good shit
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>>42437053
So he found that they had a mental condition that caused them to believe they were a different gender?
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>>42437053
Deeply flawed methadology that included transgender people who had already taken hormones. Only one study has ever found a single structure in the brain that was sexually dimorphic and flipped in transgendered people, and it had like 15 people.
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>>42438287
flipped in transgendered people before hormones, that is
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>>42437216
Holy shit, you must cum like, in seconds
There are days that I skip fapping even when feeling horn because I'm too lazy for it, and I don't even last too long
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>>42438208
Yeah but they force-fed you their feces. That's why you're so angry.
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>>42436183
Crossdressing doesn't make you trans you dumb fuck
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>>42436183
Kys my man
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>>42438308
what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>42436678
YEET
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>>42437648
I made my dad really mad making this same statement, since he's a psychologist.
I backed my opinion up though, the medical technology isn't there to actually 'treat' gender dysphoria. All current medicine does is give men female hormones and females male hormones, and occasionally permanently mutilate people.
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>>42438332
Your parents. I guess you blocked it out. They used to get really high and go into your room in the middle of the night, pin you to the bed, poop in their hands and force it down your throat while they giggled and called you a fag.
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>>42437846

we're fucking ourselves over, anon.
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>>42438369
>doesn't have a response, starts figurative shit flinging
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>>42438369
You're not making any sense. Are you suggesting I made up the fact that parents are having their children take hormone blockers? Because they are.
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>>42438391
I'm sorry about what happened to you.
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>>42438413
Nothing happened to me. Did realizing your lefty nonsense was wrong cause you to have a stroke?
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>>42435491
>uses white boy in a derogatory manor
>is also white
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>>42437744
a safe transition
they mutilate and staple your genitals which bleeds for years
a huge number of people who safely transition commit suicide within 5 years
just indulge in it, don't actually care, anon, after all, it's fun to fight for the underdog
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>>42438073
lmao
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>>42435775
i really didn't want this to be true.
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>>42438178
>if a woman can identify as a man I can identify as an attack helicopter
Get over yourself mate, I think it's stupid as shit too but you're acting like a child
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>>42435513

>vise vi

t. brainlet
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>>42436627
Why IPAs?
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>>42436374
BASED

Really makes you think: Is there a subreddit of leftypol rejects where they praise BASED WHITE MEN? If not I might create one. It could be called The_Hillary.
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>>42436557
this is absolutely true.

i cut my shit down to 145lb, leanest i'd ever been, was also the best i ever felt mentally and physically. can't wait to drop down again.
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>>42436183
Here's some self improvement info for you.
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What's an ideal high fat high protein low carb diet?

I eat a lot of chicken, salmon, rice, veggies, protein bars and powder, oatme, banana and blueberries now
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>>42436627
>>sounds weird, but tell the truth. Lying causes psychological stress, which increases cortisol and lowers T

I FUCKING KNEW IT
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>>42438799

>if a woman can identify as something she is objectively not, I can identify as something I am objectively not.

Yes, that's what I am saying. Do you actually have an argument?
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>>42438985
Yes: Shut up, faggot.
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>>42438999

make me
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>>42438999
>you should go along with PC bullshit just because

how about no dot jaypeg
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>>42439114
>>42439117
Sorry, that's not an argument.
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I am gravely disappointed. Once more you have made me unleash my dogs of war.

I Ian a transpostapocalyptic Australian Warlord. My pronouns are "The Lord Humungous", "The Warrior of the Wasteland", and "The Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah".
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>>42436330
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>>42439142
What are we supposed to argue against?

>You are making the claim that your mental choice to "identify as" somehow has any bearing on your actual sex or gender.

This? m8, if "identifying as X" isn't how gender works then gender is just a synonym for sex. That would be a nice way to resolve the issue but something tells me it's not what you're after.
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>>42437134
Men are at greater risk for heart problems because they are bigger
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>>42436406
This isn't tumblr kiddo
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>>42438985
The thing is you're comparing someone that feels masculine and manly to someone feeling like a helicopter. It was funny in 2011 but now it's just an ill comparison and is never a valid argument
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>>42439203
Not him, but the notion of distinct physical sex and mental gender is totally unsubstantiated, less than 50 years old, and has nothing to do with clinical gender dysphoria
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>>42436627
>>avoid T killing products like BPA plastics or IPA beers

Holy shit my dad has been talking about low testosterone recently. He drinks 4+ IPA's a day... Could that legitemetaly be the cause?
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>>42439232
That's not how the disease works. A genuine MTF transgendered person doesn't feel "mentally feminine". The fact that they feel physically masculine just makes them sick. HRT can help relieve these symptoms through unelucidated molecular mechanisms, but surgery doesn't help.
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>>42439242
No, it's cause he's fucking old
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>>42439241
obviously. but leftists ignore this for some reason.
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>>42439203
I'm a pemale. It's like a female, but with a penis. My pronouns are pee/pim/piss/peniself. As an example, if you saw me jacking off on the bus, you might say: "Look at that pemale. Pee is touching peniself. If pee isn't careful, piss penis might shoot sludge all over pim."
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>>42436806
Just because judaized institutions decide to change definitions using post-modern word games doesn't make it true.
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>>42436972
They can do whatever the fuck they want but i don't have to respect their choices or call then Jane, and further more my tax money shouldnt be wasted on entertaining their delusions.
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Less physical exercise is causing it. Less manual labor jobs, less people exerting themselves, less testosterone.
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>>42438252
No he found that there was a biological basis to being transsexual
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>>42438062
I found that SRS has helped me function as a man in society, as for having children, adoption has always been an option.
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>>42438078
I was an early transitioner. I got hormone blockers in my teens to mitigate great growth and menstruation, which helped immensely with my surgeries and mental state.

I was forbidden from surgery until I was 18 and had been on HRT for over a year.

I was forbidden from using hormone replacement therapy until I had been on hormone blockers for at least half a year.

Prior to that, I was forbidden from using hormone blockers until I undergone a year long diagnostic track with several professional psychologists analysing me. A grand total 3 separate psychologists had to talk to me over the course of months and all reach independent conclusions before convening and discussing my future treatment.

You show you know absolutely nothing of how transsexual healthcare works. Kindly shut up.
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>>42439267
Surgery doesn't have any medical benefits, bar the incredible help it gives in the long run with aligning ones body with the brain's perceived self. If mental health is a medical matter, then yes, surgery helps.
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>>42436330
Not surprising. Evolutionarily speaking men are expendable meatshields for the women and the kids. Something that gives you a medium term advantage in what men do (fighting, fucking, and feeding the tribe) is going to be selected for even if it has a downside in the long term.
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>>42436934
>tfw Henry Ford and Martin Luther are idiots
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>>42436183
>these are the cunts you argue with on the internet about fitness
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>>42436627
>telling the truth to avoid lower test
This is some fucking retarded Alex Jones level shit but I'm all for it
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>>42441068
You are FUCKED. I'm sorry to tell you but you've fucked up your life irreversibly. You will never live a normal life or be happy in general. Society has failed you.
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>>42441068
>not wanting test
What the fuck is wrong with you. I say we shoot up these sick kids with a bunch of test e. I'm pretty sure that will fix everyone's problems
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>>42436406
If I identified as a pedophile, would that not be a mental illness?
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>>42437744
>what is Canada
>what is bill C-16
A society will never be great with men in dresses and fatties running around.
>>
Should I get a blood test before buying supplements like zinc, vitamin D and magnesium?
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>>42436467
You're right, gender is nonsense just like how money and fashion are nonsense, but it's still a huge part of life that'll never go away
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>>42437580
You say that now, but come back after you change your body and still feel the urge to be an hero. Get help anon, cutting off your dick isn't the solution you thi k it will be. Sort yourself out, look in the mirror and figure out the real reason you're uncomfortable in your own skin.
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>>42441627
also I'm interested in that ashwagandha meme. What brand is the best?
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>>42438895
More hops which act like estrogen and decrease test
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>>42441689
What now? Do they act like estrogen or do they decrease test?
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>>42441729
>>
>ctrl+f "fluoride"
>no results
OPEN YOUR EYES, ITS TURNING THE DAMN FROGS GAY
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>>42441098
Surgery does not help mental health at all beyond HRT alone. It does not improve prognosis or suicide risk, and carries an incredible amount of risk. SRS is just bad medicine
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>>42441751
>mindbodygreen.com
plenty of jacked dudes drink alcohol. If you aren't binge drinking you're fine. that shit isn't going to noticeably affect your test levels.

IPAs are for fags though
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>>42435775
>>42436678
roasted and toasted
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>>42441068
You were taken for a ride by the kikes. Also they do it to kids under ten today. In canada you can lose custody if you don't support it
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>>42441068
Lol okay Frankenstein monster you win
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>>42441800
Agreed. Only reason I checked to begin with is every IPA drinker I know is a hipster nu-male.
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>>42435513
So somebody watches Adam ruins everything
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>>42441511
This
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>>42441068
Congratulations!! You didn't need that dusty old penis anyway.
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>>42441068
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>>42435491
Oral contraception
Food contaminated with shit like BPA
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>>42436702
>high fat, high protein diets

Low carb increases cortisol, which decreases test. Turn of the century guys ate plenty of bread, porridge and beer to go with their steak and eggs.
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>>42441751
Apparently it raises estradiol. Here is a study I found:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3172777
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>>42441068
I can't even tell when people are being serious or making ironic shit posts anymore, this is one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

Sad if true.
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These women are the easiest to fuck.
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>>42436736
You can keep trying to perform your mental gymnastics, however you are wrong. The only thing that gives credibility to your position is that westernised culture has become more accepting of such aberrations of mind. This doesn't actually mean it is true and correct.

Keep fooling yourself, but don't try to tell others how to think because they reject your mental illness.
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>>42436846
Prove him otherwise rather than expressing tedium at the premise.

Prove where it comes from, it's what you haven't done in any of your posts. No proof, no evidence, just pure conjecture.

You're a joke.
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>>42441751
>typing exactly what you want to see into google and screencapping the first search result by some bullshit website
if you actually cared to research this you'd see that the dip in testosterone is acute and insignificant
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>>42436972
Stop trying to use common vernacular to get on everyone else's level. You're so disingenuous and clearly a shill for something.

Problem is, you're really obvious. Is it your first day trolling the internet?
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>>42436819
He's talking about consuming actual fats. Like almonds, avocado, etc.
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>>42437541
They report but it cannot be actually verified. I can report anything I want to whoever I want and make it into print. It does not actually make it so.
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>>42442192
"healthy" fats may play some role in regulating testosterone but that doesn't change the fact that by far, the number one way to make sure your t levels are naturally optimized is by being 10-15% bf and eating at or above maintenance. look at natural bodybuilders. during the last few weeks of contest prep their test levels drop to a third of what they were before beginning their cut
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>>42436627
>lying
>ever
I honestly expect more honesty out of fitizens than a normal person and for the most part,or at least from what I see here you do.
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>all these people defending mental illnesses

fucking disgusting. i want these newfriends from reddit to leave or at least get educated. I tried educating people on reddit but i keep getting banned from their subreddits
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>>42442071
P.S. a beer and wine site refuting the claims from certain articles that I also found on google but won't link because low quality click bait.

>That whole idea that IPAs give you man boobs rests on the idea that 8-PN is a phytoestrogen (which it is), but completely ignores that fact that the dosage required to cause problems in humans is unknown.

http://beerandwinejournal.com/ipa-boobs/

Basically, the meme is based on rat studies and the abstract fact that something is a phytoestrogen. Nobody's man boobs or erections or test levels were measured. It's unfounded speculation. Beer may hurt your test levels, alcohol in general may hurt your test levels, or maybe all studies showing such things are bullshit (check their sample sizes and methodology if you think you know better). It's a reasonable conclusion to take care and limit your alcohol intake, but that would also be the way to go if test levels weren't in the picture at all so nothing has changed.
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Had a blood test today to check for various STDs since I was fucking a middle-aged woman from Eastern Europe. Asked them to check my test levels.

What should I hope for>
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>>42438895
hops aside they decrease test by turning you into a faggot
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There's more than one second you nerds. All you klinesfelters spergs should remember that lmao
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