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/fraud/ - I go to bed and no one makes a new thread for 5 hours

read all of http://reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki before asking your absolutely retarded questions. no exceptions.

ABSOLUTELY NO SOURCE TALK

previously: >>42419357
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>No posts.
Real talk, /fraud/. I'm a Britfag. Can we legally get test injections here or is that shit illegal?
I'm sure it used to be legal and you could just buy them from sketchy websites but now I can't find any info.
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>>42435309
It's legal for personal use, just not legal to buy online or sell. Having said that, no one ever gets prosecuted for buying. Class C, Schedule 2, I believe Part III, of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. If it's prescribed, you're golden.
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girl was like >holy shit wtf anon thats a lot why do you cum so much?

Now I have a fetish to drown her in my semen, what can I take to increase it? (on gear its about the same as natty).
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>>42435377
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>>42435377
Drink lots of water, lecithin granules, HCG, Zinc and L-arginine. Or you could just straight inject saline.
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I'm doing subq with trt dosages, after my second pin day the area I injected the test in was sore when pressed but otherwise seemed fine. Any recommendations for subq injections? Sites, techniques, etc? I'm using 27G slin pins for test and 32G slin for HCG.
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I really want to run again. I haven't ran in 1.5 years. I don't want to lose all my muscle though just to run. But it felt so good when I was 150lbs a few years ago and could run indefinitely. I think I'll stop myself at 180lbs though so I don't look emaciated.
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Money is tight, what's the essential bloodwork I should get for my first Test cycle? I was thinking:
- free Test;
- total Test;
- E2;
- LDL.
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>>42435789
So you're fat?
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>>42435443
You still runing Tren?
What dosage?
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>>42435990
read the wiki
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>>42436032
I did and it lists way too much stuff, I can't afford it
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>>42436066
Can you get VLDL with LDL? Throw in blood pressure measurement (should be free at doctors, some pharmacies have machines set up for customers to use too.. at least here, I even got a portable one from a store).
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>>42436066
Maybe consider not roiding
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>>42435244
Bimbo's waiting room
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>>42436005
Yes. I am fat. I am halfway through my weightless recovery from SS+GOMAD and a period of lmaodepression
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>>42436314
Don't run gear yet, cut first.
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I think high estrogen makes me happier. is this why dbol gives ppl euphoria?
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I'm taking Super Male Vitality - when can I expect to look like Zangief?
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>>42436348
I'm already running gear and I don't regret it. It helps melt off fat. No gyno. On a cruise. Really don't have any reason to blast since I am concerned about endurance more than size.
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>>42436356
Placebo. what dosage of dbol u running
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>>42436356
dbol makes me feel like shit
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>>42436418
>using natural test boosters in 2k17
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>>42436446
test is a natural test booster
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>>42436458
Cant argue with that. U're still a dumbshit
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>>42436427
Thats valuable information.

If everything is good, go for it.
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I just lost my natty status
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>>42436762
Okay
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>>42436762
Okay
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>>42436762
!
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>>42436762
>roiding for this
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What compounds will let me forget about the feels i feel?
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>>42437771
None of them.
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>>42437771
50iu insulin and keto
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>>42437952
why do we have to suffer so much
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>>42437979
okay faggot, just tell us whats up and if its not completely faggy we might help you out.
Obviously you want to talk about something so do it instead of posting faggot pics
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HEY JERRY

Text me if yinz see this I lost my phone and shit L8r
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>>42437979
>>42437771

500 oz bleach / wk
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>>42437771
Lowish trt dose so not to raise estrogen high + non-aromatising compound (maybe not tren, I mean it'd work for that but not good for the unstable).
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>take dbol
>Just 20mg makes me feel like shit
>Gyno
>Headaches
>Blood pressure
>Insomnia

>Go off and recover before getting back on
>700mg test for a while until dropping it down to 200mg
>Take 100mg anadrol preworkout
>No issues
>Normal bp
>Feel preddy good not like euphoria but like negative anxiety, opposite of anxiety, like serenity
>Feel like everything is gonna be okay
>Smile and laugh at things

>Feel like I'm not getting bigger yet, but it's okay just keep working out ED and have patience not obsessing over it
>Check scale
>Up about 9 lbs

O-oh

Why does anadrol just keep getting better and better?
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Got my first endo appointment in a couple of days to investigate my elevated prolactin, but I'm going to ask them to check everything. How do I crash my test for it?
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>>42438370
are you natty?

dont eat any fats, dont take any vitamin supplements.
Dont workout.

Dont sleep, like at all. Sleeping is prolly the biggest natty test booster out there.

You are gonna feel shit but your test is gonna be low
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>>42438426

Yep, natty. I've had my test checked before and it was in range but I have suspicions because I'm low energy
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>>42438460
how in range is "in range"? like exact levels?

you can probably crash them low enough for trt if your baseline is sub 450ish ng/dl, no hopes if you're around like 600+
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>>42438651

I can't remember - I was just quickly shown it on a screen about 3 months ago. I think it was a little below the middle of range.
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>>42435244
I'm not asking for sources or specifics, but if I want to get some test in the UK, where would be a good direction to start looking in? Is it all online now? Dealers at the gym?
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>>42436429
actually I'm just aromatizing 500mg test pretty heavily. I am oily af and experiencing insomnia with 12.5mg aromasin E3.5D. but I do overall feel great.
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>>42438781
all online.

go to reddit SST.
roids are legal for britbongs
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>>42436356
dbol makes me feels tired (live stress I suppose) and gives me titties.
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What scales can I get to measure 30mg amounts of powder in the uk? I don't mind it being -/+ a few mg.

Was looking at either https://www.amazon.co.uk/AWS-American-Portable-Milligram-Stainless/dp/B0012TDNAM/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_sims?ie=UTF8 or https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smart-Weigh-Precision-Milligram-Calibration/dp/B00ESHDGOI/ref=pd_cp_79_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0AV8YTD812ATMBWPK2PA

Reviews on the £20 one have said they have used it to measure out 20 mg fine etc.
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>>42439035
when it comes to this stuff, all of them work just fine. I bhought the cheapest shit i could find on amazon for 8€ and it works good enough
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>>42438651
you are always in range if you ask doctor

you would literally have to cut off your ballsack to convince him to put you on trt
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>>42435244
What's up nerds? How goes your daily injections to maintain 800-1300? What's it like being biologically inferior?
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>>42439101
>800-1300
we pin triple of that, faggot.

>daily
more like every 3 days.
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>>42439084
thanks for the useless post
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>>42439101
You mispelled superior there buddy
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>>42439109
Can you pin your dick for massive kegel gains? Anyone genuinely try using rounds for stupid muscle growth for the lulz? Genuinely curious
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>>42438174
Because anadrol is god tier.
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>>42439238
do you really think your dick is a muscle?
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>>42435244
Is Prop EOD good for TRT?
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>>42439276
no
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>>42439288
y doe
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>>42439276

I just started 50mg prop EOD last night, I'll let you know how it goes in 3 weeks
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>>42439289
you should pin prop ed

why in God's name would you want to pin ed/eod until the end of time? why do you people want to be pin cushions when it isn't necessary? also it's more expensive
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>>42439268
Nigga you never go full retard. I said kegel.
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>>42439276
Prop should be pinned ED. I'm doing 20mg ED for my cruise and it's unpleasant.
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>gf texts me while training
no reaction
>other chick(s) texts me while lifting
PR MODE ACTIVATED

should i feel bad?

>>42435377
i've forgot what it feels like to ejaculate ;_;
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>>42439434
Respond to her you dick
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>>42439434
ur a dick, be nice to her
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>>42439434
Attention from your gf is expected, attention from other chicks is special. Welcome to relationships.
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>>42439485
>>42439492
>>42439512
yeah, about what i thought.
makes me think i really shouldn't be in a relationship.
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>>42439529
If you feel like that then split up, you might regret it. Thrill of the chase and all that.

Getting some extra attention is nice, but the best attention comes from the one you love the most.
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>>42439529
>>42439566
This, try to work on your relationship before you break up to chase other chicks. Why are you more interested in other women? Is there something she's not doing for you?
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>>42439589
Based on
>i've forgot what it feels like to ejaculate ;_;
I feel like its a lack of sex.

Which is a valid and bullshit reason at the same time.
Sex fueles our ego, more sex is the feeling of being wanted being fullfilled.

I've had some thoughts cross my mind when our relationship was in a rough spot, all for the lack of sex.
In the end no amount of sex makes up for missing out on real love.
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>>42439238
what the fuck is this post

pinning quads doesn't make your quads bigger, it's just a pathway. if you could inject your dick (you can't really, it's not a muscle) it wouldn't make it any bigger than injecting in your glutes would

the fuck do you mean kegel gains from steroids injection?
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>>42439566
yeah you're right i would regret it. my current gf is pretty much all i could ask for in a woman, at least from a logical standpoint. but my subconscious (or my dick) apparently isn't done with chasing yet and in the long run i won't be able to suppress that desire either without having it manifest negatively in some other area of my life. either way i'm damned.

>>42439589
mostly it's variety i'm missing, i don't know maybe i don't like the idea of only sleeping with the same person for the rest of my life.
>>42439620
lol no i have plenty of sex. it's just that i have tiny baby roid testes.
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> get high on THC and drunk
> notice I can feel a draft in one tiny spot of the room
> as if my hand can feel a tiny fan in only one spot
> but it's impossible, feel around it with every limb possible and feel the draft in only that spot
> can't imagine any possible source of it
> then at last second, before posting, I realize it's the frozen beer can above my hand

Poetry.
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>>42439620
it's not a bullshit reason at all, sexual incompatibility is by far the biggest reason for breakups and cheating.
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>>42435244
If I'm diagnosed low test and get a T suppliment, what sort of gains can I expect compared to a full cycle?
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>>42439648
thc and alcohol always works against me.
they have 2 opposite effects. weed makes me lazy and calms me down, while alcohol makes me loud and funny

you promised me to post a body pic many months ago, faggot.
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>>42439641
shutdown doesn't affect ejaculation or even ejaculation volume. you've got other issues my dude

>>42439648
this is probably the least terrible post you've ever made, more or this and fewer batshit insane conspiracy theories please
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>>42439666
Define "T supplement"
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>>42439641
Can't really relate but I hope you can work it out.
I'm a fucking retard so all I ask for is a nice girl that manages to put up with all my shit, which I've got and will never let go.

>>42439659
It was more towards people chasing their dick/pussy in the moment and not thinking about the big picture.
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>>42439512
until he finds out his gf is on the same game and he is on tren or other shit that makes you paranoid

WELCOME TO TRUE LOVE KEK

That cheat paranoia is the worst shit that can happen to your relationship
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>>42439432

Why's it unpleasant?
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>>42439666
really relative. depends on what level androgel and the like would put you (probably close /slightly above regular natty gains) and what you would define as a full cycle. either way you'll probably see more gains that right now. unless you don't actually have low t.

>>42439688
>shutdown doesn't affect ejaculation or even ejaculation volume. you've got other issues my dude
none that i'm aware of at the moment, despite medical supervision. still keeping it in mind though.

>>42439717
don't even put that put there dude
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I just realised I miscalculated my Tren dose and I've injected more then I wanted. Fuck.
Should I just roll with it?

>>42439717
>the moment that one little thought creeps into your mind and you spend the whole day obsessing over nothing.
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>>42439717
Tren actually makes me apathetic about relationships. I thought my ex cheated on my during my first tren cycle and I was just like "meh, I can fuck hotter chicks."

>>42439722
The PIP is fairly rough and with ED pinning you're guaranteed to always have at least one area that hurts like a mofo. I'm only using it to try to fine-tune some blood values before my next blast.
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>>42439648
He's still alive, i thought you killed yourself. Did you have you PHD yet? doing something useful with that brain instead of killing it

>>42439741
That's why i can never do tren, at least not in a relationship. Higher test or masteron does the same shit to me.

I was at a point that i was constantly searching for my gf's phone and reading her messages. I constantly needed to check everything BECAUSE MAYBE SOMEBODY IS FUCKING ME OVER

who's fucking me? WHOOO, fucking whoo. Man tho's were SHIT times

FCUKCING bithc is cheating on me, I KNOW IT, FUCKING WHORE
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>>42439659

Sexual incompatibility is a another word for a skinny dick.

Sexually compatible use our girth to advantage. Girth over-rides all factors.

>>42439676

I posted enough of my ass on here, m8. If I get my shit together and have something worth posting; you'll see it.

>>42439688

The batshit insane conspiracy theories are usually to a dopamine flux or disruption. Unless you're referring to the Jews. I have a combination of 2 rare genes that reduce the cofactor of neurotransmitter synthesis and # of dopamine receptors by 80%.

So you introduce SDRIs to try and preserve normal dopamine levels but every drug has it's unique effects. Amphetamine makes me far crazier than Ritalin.
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>>42439764
>If I get my shit together and have something worth posting; you'll see it.
thats exactly what you said last time i asked you.

am disapoint son, ill assume dyel unless proven otherwise
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>>42439760
High Test does the same for me, I can supress it but it wrecks me emotionally.

No such thing on Tren. I'm a coldhearted bastard on Tren and only care about my goals and being efficient in everything.
I've got no time for fucking drama.
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>>42439750
Then you're lucky. But i had to have a flaw otherwise you had nothing against me.

You can't have it all

>>42439791
I read the same shit about tren. What does cause that paranoia? Estrogen? Makes me worried about my next blast. That shit was too heavy.

I wanted to fucking strangle that bitch in her sleep for things she did in my mind

I made me the biggest beta on earth
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>>42439819
Estrogen was a mistake.

Why not give it a test run on Ace? Inform your girl to let her put up with your shit.
It'll be kicked in as fast as it leaves your system. Gone in 3 days I believe.
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>>42439839
For me it wasn't worth it at one point. I could not concentrate at work anymore and was only thinking about that.

I am mentally weak, prone to paranoid insane thoughts. And steroids express those feelings. It is what it is .

Also the tren cough, the insomnia etc seems all to crazy to me
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>>42439876
Tren cough is the biggest fucking meme I've ever seen.
I've only had it once after nicking a vein, sure its not pleasent but its over quickly and just an annoyance.

Insomania is another fucking meme, you can funtion at 110% with just 4 hours of sleep. No wonder you get "insomnia", your body doesn't need more.

All the overblown sides are a big meme.
If I can run 720mg no problem you can at least try a baby's first 200-400mg.
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>>42439876

Ive ran tren ace at 350mg/week before.

Sides: nightsweats from time to time, shorter fuse and it made me give less a shit about everything in life.

I expected it to be extremer, which it probably is at higher doses.

Side note: did not have a crazy strength boost like people love to claim... maybe there is something wrong with me idk.
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>balls ache when I pump them up with hcg but not while they're pumped up and I'm cruising
>balls ache when I quit hcg and they shrink but not when they're raisins
worst meme
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>>42439923
>Ive ran tren ace at 350mg/week before
Yeah try doubling that and you might see what people mean. Most folks run ace at 500-1000mg pw.
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>>42439993
350mg a week is still very potent and the point was that sides are overrated
>but at high doses!
No shit that goes for any AAS
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>>42440017
>350mg a week is still very potent and the point was that sides are overrated
Agreed. I've run 350mg/week with zero sides other than raised prolactin while still getting a good recomp effect.

Another interesting thing I've noticed with myself and others is that tren sides seem to increase over time. It takes me a few weeks on ace to feel any sides and 6-8 weeks on enanth. Probably something to do with neurochemistry changing slowly.
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I've been awake since 00:00am this morning, really want to take a nap... I just need more protein before bed but I'm all out of powder... fuckkkk
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>>42439620
>In the end no amount of sex makes up for missing out on real love.
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>>42440105
do you have any raw ground beef?
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>>42440098
I think tren fucks with dopamine or something, and the balance of chemicals slowly changes
Its gotta
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>>42440098
The end is the best and the worst.
You'll make the most amazing gains towards the end but yeah cystic acne started to show.

>>42440115
You'll find a girl, I'm sure.
A cute petite flat chested girl just for you.
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lads where the fuck can I get dmaa in the EU?

Anyone ever ordered from aliexpress?

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=dmaa+powder&ltype=wholesale&d=y&tc=af&blanktest=0&initiative_id=RS_20170808140016&origin=y&isViewCP=y
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>natty HGH level is 444 ng/ml
>reference range: 133 - 430 ng/ml
Will I be able to leave humanity behind with only a Test cruise dose?
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>tfw finally grew enough chest hair to conceal all the roid zits
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pic of my gf from disney world, it was fun
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>>42439764
Hi, I haven't been here for quite a while, how is the hair loss researching going?
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>>42439750

I pinned 50mg prop last night, no pip at all. Subq though if that makes a difference
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>>42440669
i bet she's been on lots of cocks
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>>42440861
no, only mine. We've been together for 5 years
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>>42440669
wew lad
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>>42438174
I only ran drol once and that was to kick off my first test cycle. I got up to 75mg ed and shit was pretty tight. If it wasn't for sdrol literally making me feel like a god every time I run than I would probably run drol again.

>>42439741
You are saying that like its a bad thing. The only thing I learned from joinging the 1g tren ew club is that the only limiting factor in how much tren you inject is your syringe size.

>>42440669
>Reverse image search
>"Best guess for this image: beauty"
Your girl looks really young, so gratz if you are not lying.

Speaking of disney world, some super cute 18 y/o jap girl on twitter had she wanted to go to disney land in her bio so I super liked her and it seems like I might actually be going with her. I don't care if she only using me for a free day out, I just want to walk around an amusement park with a cute tiny japanese school girl one time in my life.
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>>42440903
I'm at 980mg right now, you say just keep going? I can handle 720mg with no real sides for extended periods.

I've heard good shit about 1g club.
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>>42440839
Prop PIP always hits me the second day. Could be that I'm just a bitch though.
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>Test injection literally makes you grow muscles while sitting on your ass faster than a natty going to the gym
>Frauding and exercising causes 3x the gains relative a natty
>Steroids so cheap they are basically like an addon to your gym membership
HOW
DO
THEY
COPE
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>>42441023
>Test injection literally makes you grow muscles while sitting on your ass faster than a natty going to the gym
Steroids add lean mass, not muscle. Water + Glycogen =/= Muscle.
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>>42440874
you're lucky af
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>>42440971
To be fair this is only my second week of 1g so i cant really comment on it too much and im only running it for 6 weeks so I can as big and lean as possible for when I go to japan. I also tolerate tren pretty well and run it 1:1 with my cruise dose of test when Im not blasting

I was planning on running tren a bit under nandrolone cyp for the first 12 weeks of my next blast and then dropping the nan to about 200mg while I up the tren for the last 12 weeks but now Im thinking of running 200mg Tren E EoD for 24 weeks and see where that takes me instead.
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I hope this eq is eq
Oilier than I should be

>>42440903
>I might actually be going with her
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Why exactly is source discussion enforced so seriously on this thread? I just find it kinda funny because hormone sources are openly discussed on boards like /lgbt/ and no one gives a shit. But when some cis white males want to talk about it, everyone loses their minds. Really makes me think
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>>42441293
>because hormone sources are openly discussed on boards like /lgbt/ and no one gives a shit
I doubt it, but if it's true it's probably because nobody mods that shithole
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>>42441293

It's just easier to not have to deal with potential legal issues on a board with this much daily traffic
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fucking roasties
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>>42441340
What happen anon? Blogpost your life
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>>42441340
I'm headed to my side chick's place to cheat on my gf in a cialis and viagra filled sex marathon

I'm doing it for you my dude, fight and never respect the roasties
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>>42441370

>khhv
>start trt
>meet girl who makes first move
>start thinking "oh shit, test cured my autism and now i'm chad"
>kiss, hug, and hold hands within first 2 hours of first contact
>fug within 48 hours of first contact
>assume that now i have chad powers and roasties will bend to my will
>"no need to distrust them or their natures like those loser incels on r9k, heh. thank god i got out of that dangerous echo chamber of self-destructive thoughts."
>meanwhile, still have crippling autism
>fall in love
>she does not
>our relations were just a hook-up to her, but i assumed we were going to be together forever
>she picks up on my assumption and tells me what i want to hear, leading me on
>spend ungodly amount of time/money/energy on her
>stop going to gym
>put job at risk
>all for this woman who is a 100+ partner count (unknown to me at the time) roastie and is actively seeking the next rube to entrap while maintaining the illusion of my autistic virgin fantasies that persisted in my psyche from 25 years of absolutely no substantive romantic or friendly contact with non-familial women
>eventually it all blows up
>she drops me hard (radio silence, no idea if she's alive or dead)
>she starts hooking up with random guys
>i am still footing the bills for her expenses (through her landlord)
>most beta cuck behavior you could imagine
>heartbroken
>trust issues
>cannot ever see myself committing to a woman even if she's a virgin because i was taken for such a ride and lied to my face repeatedly in a very convincing way
>start to doubt all my perceptions
>fuck some random sluts afterwards to try and get over her
>doesn't work
>disgusted with myself
>start lifting again
>much better with women now that i treat them like i'm not going to see them ever again every time we meet
>assume the worst in their behavior and express constant skepticism toward them
>women find this all incredibly attractive
>hate myself for it
>i have become chad
>secretly want to go back to khhv
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>>42441533
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>>42441533
Boo hoo I have sex now boo hoo
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>>42438868
Just reading about this, didn't know it was legal to use them. It's weird I've only seen a couple of people in my life that looked like they were juicing.
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>>42441533
HAHAHAHA good one m8, thanks for sharing
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>inject subq with seppuku form
>smoothest pin of my life

Samurai knew what they were doing
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>>42441533
>secretly want to go back to khhv

No, you don't.

I'm a KV and it sucks.

At least now you know that women are attracted to you. When you were a KV, your self worth was at a complete zero (unless you were one of those young 18 year old KVs).
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I've posted my experiences before when talking to jerry-sama so if it sounds familiar that's why.

>>42441470
Enjoy the sex anon. Cialis is dope.

>fight and never respect the roasties
I miss putting them on an unattainable pedestal though and just admiring them from a distance. Pursuing self-perfection with an archetypal fertility goddess who values my moral development as much as physical development being my imaginary prize to pursue in an isolated state of hyper focused autism. Basically making myself worthy of my ideal wife. Now I feel like I'm just really unworthy of an actual good girl because I will never really respect her or be capable of taking her at her word. Have had my trust too deeply betrayed in very intimate ways.

I'm so totally unable to focus single-pointedly on self-improvement or even my hobbies now. While khhv I would be able to get so deep into various subjects and was a lot more focused at work - women were simply not on my mind that much. Now I can't stop thinking about them, and the thoughts aren't motivating in the same way my thoughts about them were prior to the experience greentexted above. They are terrible and bitter thoughts. I don't hide my disdain for the roastie gender from them and they get turned on by it. I berate women for their unbridled capacity for disingenuous conduct, deceit, and dishonesty. They come back. Never been this successful with women. But I don't like the person I've become. I don't like the person the women like.

Got my dream of being good with them and I'm terribly disappointed with the outcome.

Should have listened to the advice I got when first posting in this thread a year ago and just gotten a daki. FUCK

>>42441605
I'm no normie don't cast aspersions. Besides you have had sex and don't try to tell me it doesn't count if they're escorts. All women are escorts

Currently trying to regrow my virginity because I really want to believe that I won't be denied wizard powers if I truly repent
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>>42441704
Whats your ratio of hands held: dicks sucked

>>42441724
I still stand by there being a difference between hookers and normal whores
Atleast with normal whores youre wanted for something
>although hookersll text you "honey when am I seeing you again"
I guess its being used in different ways, less of a facade to the transaction.

Never too late to get a daki either. Im stock piling them now
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>>42436016
Not currently. I dropped it when I was sick because why waste it and I'll probably stay off it until my next blast because I still have close to 6-7 vials.

Probably finish up this blast with a finisher of sdrol in a few weeks, less my bloods tell me I'm g2g
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>>42441704
>At least now you know that women are attracted to you. When you were a KV, your self worth was at a complete zero

Sometimes it was, you're right. But now I see that what attracts women is not something I find to be beautiful. I've strayed from my ideals of beautiful conduct and perception in the effort to become beautiful in the eyes of a base and ugly nature (roastie nature).

I do think that losing one's virginity was a positive thing but it depends very much on the circumstances. I would have probably been better off losing it to a straight-up escort than with a master of deception and manipulation like the one I did. Even better would have been waiting until marriage. Does this all sound like garbage to you? Not a young kv, 25 years. I don't think I was really insecure about women being attracted to me or not because I was unconcerned with them, instead focusing all my efforts on self-improvement and professional development so that I could be worthy of some ideal fertility goddess waifu.

>>42441773
>Atleast with normal whores youre wanted for something
Such as? Don't kid yourself it boils down to the same thing it's just that whores are less honest/blunt with their true intentions and it can appear closer to the socially sanctioned/condoned fairy tale tropes of actual attraction/affection/etc (all of which were inspired/conjured by writings and ideals set forth by men). They just want security (financial, physical, emotional). Women have no permanent or innate allegiances and you can not reasonably take them, their desires, or their professions of the same at face value. Neither whores nor hookers really care about you, they care first and foremost about the feels you evoke in them. And no I don't believe that men are the same way. Men are at least capable of true/authentic/unironic empathy and love
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>>42439910
I've noticed this too about insomnia. I kind of like it, I feel better rested and I'm not tired because.... there's no need to be
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How can I stop being such a worrying retard about my hair? I see 4-5 hairs in my shower drain and I freak out.
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Starting to peak for next PL meet in October. Running:
450 tren e
750 test e
50mg proviron ed
500mg vitamin b6 ed

Adding in 100mg anadrol ed for last 4 weeks.
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>>42441894
That's some hardcore shit right there. Post body.
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>>42441890
Trust in the Moosey/MasT meme stack

>>42441894
>500mg vitamin b6 ed
Explain this

>>42441560
Does it end?

>>42441663
Glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully serves as a cautionary tale to someone somewhere
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>>42441912
My prolactin gets out of whack from tren and the b6 keeps it under control.
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>>42436294
This, if you can't afford a full panel maybe you shouldn't be hopping on just yet
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>>42441912
Goodluck in life m8, first post made me laugh and now i am sad. Really makes you think
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>>42441890
Try taking a 30 minute nap and you cant count the hairs theres so many

A few aint bad
Doesnt change how mustard tastes

>>42441863
Atleast with a roastie I could pretend to experience what most humans seem to experience
Maybe get film/music/general discussions
Thats what gets me. Its not masculine at all and I cant relate
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>>42442032
>Try taking a 30 minute nap and you cant count the hairs theres so many

I guess I am just being a little hypochondriac bitch boy.

When I pull at my hair, no hairs come out, so I guess my hair loss prevention stack is working.
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before and after trt stories?
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>>42442032
>I could pretend to experience what most humans seem to experience
Fug, you're right. It's how they trap you - they pretend to be like men capable of objective (i.e., non-egocentric) discussions which makes them emotionally attractive and friend candidates (as opposed to merely being fuck holes) and thereby trap you even more deeply.

Did you have such discussions with that girl (you know the one)? I started of thinking of my girl as a someone with a personality and consistent self-identity that I wanted to help and nourish with my affection and presence. When the reality was that they are shape shifters that will fill whatever mold is required to extract the feels/security they desire at the moment.

Thinking of them or treating them as real people (like we treat other men) makes them massively uncomfortable I think. Using sex as a transactional utility to trade for attention/feels/security gives them a sense of being empowered

Have you ever tried gfe with an escort? Does it compare? If they don't leave my mind within a year or so I might just bite the bullet and become a sugar daddy or whatever it is called for a qt college student on seeking arrangement. At least I'll know it's fake and pretend and won't be devastated when it inevitably ends

>>42441924
Thanks, didn't know that. Do you get the weird prolactin sides if you run test lower?
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>>42442065 see >>42441533
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I just took 4 scoops. What will happen to me?
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>>42442178
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>>42442146
Some discussions
But it was clear she saw herself first as a sexual being and that is where she got her self worth from.
But then shed pay for dinners and movies so I dont get it.
But sge also said ily and stopped sleeping with other dudes of her own accord. I never said it back or slept with her though.

I think most people are alright, thats just a very easy esteem boost for women.

Gfe isnt worth it. More kissing, more tongue, or thats only when they use tongue (which I dont understand at all), more conversation. But youre there for a hole (or to be a hole no homo) and sure youre lonely but gfe doesnt fill it
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Holy shit cry about it more losers. No where do I see men having these issues and it's because you failures aren't men.
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>>42442414
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>>42442414
This is 4chan, using rons can't keep people here from being sad sacks of shit.
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>>42442291
>said ily
There was nothing more mindfucking than this when it seemed genuine but came from someone who doesn't seem to relate to that word/concept in the same way that I did as a beta autist. Although I've now come to the conclusion that it was sort of saying what I wanted to hear. I think girls want to love and attain that virtuous ideal that men have set out for them but it's kind of like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole - maybe it's unfair to expect authentic love (love as defined by masculine standards/ideations) out of them

>so I dont get it
Yeah, this is why I have come to doubt my own perceptions and can never take a roastie at face value ever again

Do you see 3d marriage in your future?
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>it's not a pin day
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Anyone here tried Ritalin? Amy effects in terms of lifting?
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What's a good dosing scheme for asin that won't crash e2 and keep levels steady? I have been in the habit of taking 12.5mg with pins E3.5D but feel like the day of/after taking my e2 is low (dick doesn't get fully diamonds), but on the plus side it never gets too high before the next pin. If I split it up into two 6.25mg doses (one with pin and another one 1.5 days later) I feel like in the time between the doses my e2 creeps up (judging by feels and by acne too).

How do you guys dose asin relative to your pins? I run ralox 120mg ED so I'm not too concerned about gyno but the feels/acne of high e2 are just as terrible as the aches of low e2. I'm finding it hard to find a dosing scheme that results in stable levels.

Also I'm in week 3 so maybe the reason it's harder is because the test is still in the "building up" phase and hasn't reached steady state yet?

Regardless, curious about what you guys do.
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I realpu thought dropping tren would make me less jaded

>>42442500
I dont think it was what I wanted to hear though, the timing was off. It wasn't at nye or xmas or anything.

Id like a kid, in wed lock, before the chick is 30 so its not a mutant. If we date for years before marriage, Im already too old
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>>42442731
Two birds, one stone. Buy a lady boy childbride.
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>>42441863
I feel like you're polarizing too much. Explain women such as Mother Theresa. How does she fit into your paradigm?
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>>42442727
you gotta figure that out on your own, it's too dependent on your own biochemistry for us to be able to give you much help.
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>>42442731
You find a girl yet bro? Also I'm still seeing new girl number 2 been smashing a lot now. I'm pretty depressed lately though think it could be the low dose test and adrol getting to me. Tomorrow's last day of drol though.
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>>42443328
>You find a girl yet bro?
Dude don't be a dick
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I'm kinda jealous of some of you, I date girls but I've never fallen in love with any of them. I don't really want the eventual heartbreak that comes with it, but I would like to know what love feels like

I really just keep dating girls for the entertainment and social contact to get rid of the loneliness (don't really have many friends and they're all nerds who never do anything)
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>>42436348
Any specific reason? Not him but was considering my first cycle. Above 20% atm at 6' 195
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>>42437771
Heroin
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>>42439760
I did the same. Turns out she was cheating but I was also abusing oxys at the time which made me super paranoid and a loose cannon
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>>42443742
Read the OP
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>>42442631
what he meant by this
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>>42441533
>Blowing your money on females
Y tho

If you want a relationship don't pursue it with someone that's a fucking wallet drain. If you need to blow money on someone just to hook up with them then that is also not worth it.

Stop spending money on females desu.

There's some nuances here. If you earn a lot more than she does and invite her to go somewhere pricey or on a trip etc I think it's good manners to cover most of the cost.
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>>42444513
Agreed dude. I have no issue spending money on my gf when it comes to traveling or expenses towards "experiences". I don't typically invest in things though and I don't agree with spending frivously on shopping. Her money is for that. On the flip side, she expresses a ton of interest in paying for my school and my rent while I study and is eager to have me be a stay at home dad.
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Thinking about adding caffeine to muh albuterol cycle

seems to have good results:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26239482

Safe to do?


>>42444513
>Stop spending money on females desu.
This. You're a beta cuck male if you overdo this shit, i can't even remember when i bought something for my gf anymore and she's still spending on me.

She knows i have enough money, but if she wants something she needs to earn her own money. NO FREEBIES
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>>42445032
Should be good.

I'll be starting the yohimbine saturday, lets hope I can take it with the Tren kicking in.

And surely you buy your gf a gift or take her out for dinner from time to time right?
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>>42442631
they're the best days

i'm lazy as fuck
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Clen 4 life

T.fat cunt
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>>42445043
Keep me updated on that yohimbine, might give it a try myself since it should be effective with stubborn fat.

Rarely. You have to do that shit really sporadic, otherwise she get used to it and it isn't anything special anymore.

>>42445074
This pic makes no sense
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Is there literally any reason to be a natty?
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>>42445089
Sporadic is the best.
I'll ussually take her to a movie or dinner when I feel like going myself.

Combining yohimbine with 980mg Tren, 250mg Test and 200mg Mast. Added 50mcg T3, so results may not be as accurate.
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>>42445089
I am happy with not being a fat cuck anymore
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>>42445136
Damn son, you better be fucking shredded when that shit ends.

Are you not afraid that t3 will permanently fuck up your thyroid?

What's your diet like?

>>42445186
Good for you, any before pics then?
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>>42445201
T3 fucking up thyroid is a meme.
Thyroid will restore regardless.

Diet is simple, not tracking kcal's at the moment, just eating what feels right.

Morning:
Big bowl of muesli/oats + yoghurt and wholebread with PB.

Snack 1:
Small bowl of rice and some tuna

Lunch:
Rice, chicken/lean beef and broccoli/carrot

Snack 2:
500g bag of mixed salad with a cucumber and some watermelon if I feel like it.

Evening:
Rice/sweet patato, meat/fish and more vegtables followed by a 500g cup of kwark.

Before bed:
2 scoops whey xp and 500ml soy natural.

Might miss something but eh. During bulks I add another weight gain shake troughout the day.
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>>42445245
I have read that t3 + clen combo makes fat melt away. But i am too scared to use it.

Diet seems good. Ever tried keto with a 1/2 high carb days?
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>>42445303
High t3 melts fat and makes Clen more efficient but also burns muscle so I keep it low.

I want to stick with a decent amount of carbs to let Tren do its job regarding building muscle.
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>>42445303
For the percieved alpha of this board you are the biggest pussy when it comes to trying new compounds
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>>42445313
So you can build muscle and loss fat at the same time?


>>42445329
yoloing with rec drugs in the past made my retarded mind wiser.

and unlike you i don't need much to look good. Not that you're probably good looking, since the only thing you post over here are some beta cuck stories instead of some pictures to demonstrate your mind blowing results.
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Is it true that if I get on gear my natural t production will never recover and I will always need to keep using it to remain normal?
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>>42435244
Instead of doing a cycle of 250 test, can you do something lower like 100-150 to avoid potential side effects like gyno, but still make gains to the point that it'd be worth the effort
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>>42445361
>yoloing with rec drugs

Tell us a story Uncle masT
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>>42445366
No.

>>42445373
Not unless you're low T as fuck.
250mg isn't going to give you gyno.
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>>42445374
Was addicted to speed weigh about 50-60kg at that time. Mdma in the weekend. Weed everyday. Alcohol. Also addicted to tobacco.

Cut all contacts with my friends which introduced me to the drugs. Cold turkey with everything, only drink alcohol occasionally maybe 1 glass no more.

Now i am just left with body dysformia and steroids. But at least i get something in return now, right babe.
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>>42445383
Really? You would still need to PCT 250mg test though, right?
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>>42445383
>250mg isn't going to give you gyno.

It can.
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Since source talk is banned pretty much anywhere I look where do you actually go to find sources?
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>>42445361
With enough Tren, certainly.
Its a fine line but I can make it work.

First time Tren was just getting rid of fat and building muscle, went up a fair bit weight wise.
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>tfw high T masterrace and the pathologist knows it

>>42445416
Rad. Got any completely fucked stories? I love hearing about drongo stories, makes me feel better about my own life.

>>42445452
So can 100mg. It's just unlikely as hell.

>>42445418
Yes.
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>>42445416
Story of my life.
Alcohol up the ass and some weed.

Went from skinny to fat.
Decided I'm better off wrecking my body with roids so I'll at least gain something.

Cut down to auswitch 51kg.
Sitting at a comfy 81kg now with about 3-4kg left of fat to cut.
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>>42445457
reddit -- no sarcasm
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Everything seems alright.

HDL is a little lower than I'd like it to be but whatever. No idea what the fuck Alanine Transaminase is. Can anyone pitch in?

E2 is at 56
Free Test is estimated at 1444 waiting for confirmation
Test is at 39.1
SHBG is 14 (11-78 range)

The thing that interests me the most is my TSH is at 0.64. Range is 0.4-3.8 .T3 is mid range and T4 is low range. Which indicates mild hyperthyroidism. Told you guys I wasn't fat.
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>>42445556
>No idea what the fuck Alanine Transaminase is. Can anyone pitch in?

If you have a number above 40, it indicates that you may have aids.
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>>42445571
Sweet.

Google tells me it's an indicator of liver damage. Thanks sdrol. But my AST is in range so I may be okay.
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>>42445505

A darknet sub or a steroid related one that isn't r/steroids?
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>>42445594
r/steroids should refer out -- you'll find what you're looking for on reddit senpai
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>>42445478
I could never be any near to chem tier fuckup.

last time mdma was really a fuckup;

>me and my gf are fucking drunk af
>i suddenly have this brilliant idea to buy some mdma
>wanna do some mdma, fuck yeah why not yolo
>fuck, i lost my source because i didn't use it for a long time anymore and cut all contacts.
>phone some people until i found someone who knows someone who get me some mdma.
>contact that fucker: ''i want to buy some M i will be there soon', what's your address''
>he gives his details to meet
>knock on his door, yo who are you, none of your business i am here for the M
>okay come upstairs
>have a hard time walking up the stairs
>see a room full of fucking hippies there lying on the ground staring at me, fucking faggots
>he give me this bag full of M crystals
>I take one out look at it with my drunk head, yeah seems good to me.
>go home, flip out some rolling papers to make some mdma boms
>just put a lot of crystals in the papers to make bombs, not aware of it
>give one to my gf, here you go
>40 min later i fucking end up in another dimension with no realization of time or consciousness
>see gf oding and puking everywhere. WTF
>I Bite my lips so hard i cut those motherfucker open looking like a blood sausage
>with these open cut lips i lick some left overs from this mdma bag
>whole night i had some crazy hallucinations and insane anxiety about some fucking huge big spiders falling on my head. And in the corner there was some fucking black demon staring and laughing at me, coming closer and closer. I fucking put the sheets on my head trying not see those fuckers. Suddenly i black out because it was all too much
>next day i wake up with still huge looking pupils and what more? a fucking Zulu looking under lip
>WTFF IS THIS SHIT, probably still hallucinating.
>go back to sleep, wake up... still there
>fucking stick that lip with a needle hoping that it will disappear
>hurts like fucking crap, nothing happens
>go to the doc with my gf
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>>42445487
mirin, i went from 50 to 105kg

it's always better to be bigger. Drugs give you nothing in return but shit


>>42445678
>lips looking like this (pic related, no joke). Looking like a fucking walking duck face expression without doing anything for i
>i go to the doctor
>everyone in the waiting room looking at me crazy
>finally, doc calls me
>looks at me and my huge pupils.
>You smoked drugs faggot?
>no i never did, why would i was natty all my life
>looks at me really awkwardly and prescribed me some antibiotics

I had to stay inside for 2 weeks until the lips went normal again.

after that i never did it again.
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>>42445678
>>42445742
Glad I never went down that road, sounds like a shit night.
Your girl clean as well these days? How long have you been together?

12th of Novemver marks my first full year of BnC. Hoping to hit at least 85kg shredded by then.
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>>42445767
How tall are you?
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>>42445797
170cm, prince manlet.
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I won't be done with my cut before the end of September but fuck it waiting that long to hop on gear. Can I start pinning now with a cruise dose, say 125 mg/wk, and then up the dosage when I'm ready to bulk?
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>>42445767
You never tried mdma and you're Dutch?

Yeah we both went cold turkey with everything and also both started dieting and exercising seriously. Completely turned everything around and motivating each other.

7 years, now feeling the itch and you?

I am already past the one year. Did 2 cycles before this.
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>>42445556
who the fuck measures glucose and cholesterol in mmol/L
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>>42445813
Never tried mdma, I've seen friends on it and did not like it.

6 years into relationship.

Do feel the need to get wasted when I get a taste of alcohol and I want to smoke badly when stressed despite being clean for 5 years.

I'm glad you both made it, often someone relapses and the whole relationship breaks apart.
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>these jackasses next door have had their home alarm go on and off for 2 hours now

I am gonna fucking key the shit out of their car tomorrow when I have the night off, fuck them.
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>>42445837
Mirin, you should never do it, it feels too good.

Alcohol is the root of all evil. it's the doorway to the other stuff. You can't think clearly anymore and then you do fuckup shit like i did.
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>>42445892
Alcohol is fine, just have to know your limits, which ironically gets harder the more you drink.
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>>42445602
I got banned off r/steroids for using the acronym sst
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>>42446031
>rule not to mention sources
>mentions source
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>20 lbs heavier
>can't fit into old clothes
>still looking at a dyel in the mirror
When i look in the mirror and im not seeing typical roider body im upset. Is this body dysmorphia or am i dyel?
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>>42445892
How the hell did you went up 55kg?

How many cals a day?
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>>42446174
A little bit of A, a little bit of B.

I'm in the same boat.
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How much arimidex would you guys recommend every other day on a beginner cycle of 500mg test e/week?
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>>42446274
eat and train.

never count a kcal in my life.


>>42446174
Dyel, but it's just the beginning. The bigger you get, the smaller you feel.
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>>42445556
your lipids are way too good for someone on tren. like, "I don't believe you" good

have you been larping all along? show the e2, lh, fsh
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>>42446451
Didn't get lh and fsh tested nigger
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>>42446119
Meaning they wont "refer him out" so to speak. Technically speaking SST isnt a source, just a place where source talk is allowed, so wonder if its fine here.
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>>42435244
REMINDER: No matter how much steroids you use, you will ALWAYS be the BETA-AS-FUCK little cunt on the inside you've always been. All the bullies you've ever known will all still easily dominate you. Your (step)fathers will still always scare the piss out of you. You will still never be able to talk to that girl you like so much without stuttering. Steroids will not give you a personality, or a sense of humor, make you intelligent, or make you an interesting, worthwhile person; all they'll do is make you into a MEAT ANIMAL.

Meanwhile guys who were smarter than you, who didn't use steroids, who spent more time becoming someone worth knowing, have actual girlfriends who stick around, are there for them, and actually CARE about them. Be sure to enjoy your empty physical encounters with skeezy club sluts, LOL.
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>>42446559
Hahaha good post, liked ;)
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>>42446559
You again faggot, didn't i show you what's up the last time.

Why do you not come up with better bait, you always use the same one. This is no fun.
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>>42446559
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>>42446559
this is a bit too detailed even for obvious bait, do you need to talk anon? are mommy's boyfriends too scary? did they hurt you?
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>>42446559
Steroids are for manlet faggots
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>>42446695
I'm not a manlet
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>>42446695
Hey thats me!
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>>42435244
Earlier in the thread it was mentioned using 250m test, and it was mentioned you will prob. not get gyno but can someone be predisposed to it?
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>>42446701
;)
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>>42446703
read the op you quoted you faggot
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>>42446695

Jokes on you I'm 6'5
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>>42446725
You probably are an actual homosexual
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>>42446794
Are you spooki or a living God?
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>>42446836
Diff anon but spooky
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When would someone use something like this for bulking:

>Test Enth 150mg EOD
>Test Prop 50mg ED
>EQ 250mg EOD
>Tren Ace 50mg ED
>Mast Prop 50mg ED

Over something like this:

Test E 300mg E3D
Deca 300mg E3D
Dbol 30mg ED

Just reading through the GH15 bible now.
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>>42446930
Keeping lean running up to show prep
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>>42446836
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>>42446930
How do pro's deal with the sheer volume of shit they have to inject? Is it all just dosed at 500mg/ml or some shit?
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>>42446930
>>Test Enth 150mg EOD
>>Test Prop 50mg ED
why would someone ever do this?
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>>42447035
By actually having muscle to inject into
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>>42447091
because it's gh15
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>>42447091
Gotta confuse the androgen receptors
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>>42447035
They're all dosed at .5cc so would be 2.5cc total, but if you alternated the Test E/EQ then it'd only be 2cc daily

>>42447091
I used a blend once that was 150E/50P per cc once. Was really good at nipping water weight
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>>42447117
>>42447122
I assume that GH15 is just retarded broscience then?
>>42447132
stop
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>>42447140
Stop? Huh?
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>>42442696
Good stim, but vasoconstrictive. I've used preworkout and lifted more on big lifts like deads. I've also used prior to cardio, but cramping and dehydration is potential..
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What's good for breakfast on a cut? Need something to take ephedrine and caffeine with so I don't puke in the gym
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>>42447140
Its the same compound, it has the same active half life once its released into your blood stream, its just the rate of release from the ester in the oil depot that differs, longer esters, as well all know, just give a smoother continuous release, if you overlay the graphs on each other and add them together itll show you the result (no point though), steroid calc correctly adds them together too.


I mean there might be some point to blasting something with a very short half life periodically and letting levels drop off instead of continuous stable levels, things like orals taking it all pre-workout etc seems to still be effective.

Probably wanting a high immediate peak then some level of stable baseline.

I think youre better off not using test to do that though.
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Is 2ml everyday a lot?

100 tren/50 test/50 mast.

I've only ever ran test at 600mg pw with orals before.
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>>42447091
>why would someone ever do this?
kickstart until the enth had kicked in. Did the same.

>>42447188
eggs
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>>42447248
1 yolk to 5 whites? Maybe some tomatoes instead of ketchup?

What about pre workout carbs though? Was having oats but then realised it was essentially weight gain
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>>42447275
I always have 50/50. If 6 then 3 yolks, 3 white.

I mostly eat some cottage cheese PWO. Have one small banana Post workout for insuline spike.
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>>42447319
Banana is inefficient it's fructose. Eat dextrose for spike.
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Should I bother taking any liver support for anavar? What would you recommend?

I'm on trt for life so im just using 150 test e per week with it
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I'm supposed to be eating "clean" and around maintenance but due to the intense heat (steel factory worker) I keep feeling like I'm getting low blood sugar so I end up getting an ice capp and a doughnut from tim Hortons on my break. Hopefully my tren will make the best of these calories.
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I'm using test prop for TRT
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For those in their early 20s who blast and cruise, what are the consequences of it? Do they outweigh the pros?
I finished my 12 week test cycle 2 weeks ago and have been cruising on 250mg since, but I keep hearing about how stupid it is to BnC at my age (21)

pros I can think of so far
>consistent gains
>improved well-being
>more satisfied with quality of life

cons I can think of so far
>infertility
>possible unable to recover and produce natural test again
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Would it be a 'good' idea to fast for a few days while being on 200mg of dnp crystal?

Or would you rather keep a slightly lower caloric intake then maintanance and do 400mg.

Goal is to lose as much fat in rougly 2 weeks.

I will be cruising on 200mg test while doing so. (Can up the test dose and add in masteron)

Any toughts?
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>>42447616
Yes, for any orals
TUDCA (+ Milk thistle)
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>>42447646
Possible mental development problems? Dunno
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>>42447646
Only reason is infertility.

Id rather be on TRT dose anyway forever (natty 350ng/dl at 22)
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>>42447616
>>42447850
no you fucking shouldn't, not for anavar

mr second poster, show me studies showing the hepatotoxicity of anavar
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>>42446559
fuk thats a really good b8,

saved
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>>42447631
I can feel you, i do similar work and i crave anything candy related all the time when im at work.
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Is MK-677 useful or just a meme?

Shit always fucks up my cuts with the hunger, but even during a bulk or during PCT I get the feeling it's kind of a waste.
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>>42447917
I found it invaluable for those days where you need to put away another few hundred kcals but are dreading eating.

My appetite is unreal on it.
Never saw much else apart from mad water weight
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>>42447917
not for gains i suppose, but everything else is awsome.

really bad idea if you want to cut
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>>42447877
You better not be fucking with me coz I just bought a load of TUDCA for specifically var
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>>42436762
F
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>>42447942
well, it's time to get some sdrol
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>>42447968
Soon someone will tell me I should not even bother to run HCG with test for those nice full balls and easy PCT
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>>42447917
is causes permanent brain damage
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>>42447942
Var is the only oral you basically need no liver support for.

That said, never hurts.

>>42448001
You can if you get tiny balls, but on BnC its meh.
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>>42448005
???
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>>42448005
Never heard of this...

Are you talking about the excess ghrelin making your body think you were in a time of famine, etc... because I did hear something to that extent linking it to post traumatic stress or something like that.
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>>42447850
>>42447616
I have tudca, but dont take it on anadrol, superdrol etc, seems okay for me.

Though I think Ill take it between oral blasts, I think liver will recover faster if you take it when youre not taking anything that affects the liver, rather than taking it while on big oral steroid doses.
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>>42447646
>I finished my 12 week test cycle
im almost 8 weeks in and feel nothing and only difference in my looks is bloat

tell me about your gains from this cycle
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>>42448134
Bunk gear? Getting bloods?
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>>42435244
SO I read awhile back that taking something like drol does not do significant damage to the body or hormones.

I want to take some pro hormones and see if I can break my lifting wall without going for a needle. Anyone have some recommendations on pro hormones ? Inb4 getting replies calling me a nigger for some reason, genuinely want to be educated here.
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>>42448335
the needle is unavoidable

go away
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>>42448143
>Bunk gear?
legit according to bloods

>Getting bloods?
yes
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>>42448335
listen faggot. When everyone says injecting yourself is NOTHING, they mean it. They dont say it because they hope you become one of them, they say it because its true. Its fucking nothing after your first 3 pins.

There is not a SINGLE WAY of doing steroids without injectable testosterone that doesnt have a HUGE negative aspect.
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>>42448371
eating enough?

>>42448532
Trest cream
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>>42448831
>eating enough?
seems like it
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>>42448921
i mean the weight is going up
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can sb explain how come i look fucking jacked in mirrors but a fucking DYEL in pictures???
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>>42449064
>>42449064

Insecurity and lighting
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rate my pct for BnC.

4 weeks of HCG 500 UI 2 x per week while pinning TRT dose of test.

2 weeks of nothing, no pinning no orals or anything.

Then 12 weeks of 20 mg nolva daily.

IMPORTANT: If i put 5000 UI of HCG powder into 20ml of bacwater, ill have 500 UI per 1ml right?
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>>42449139
i'm insecure so i look more jacked in the mirror than i really am?

not trying to discredit you but how does that make sense to you?
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>>42449064
http://gizmodo.com/5661253/giz-explains-why-you-look-different-in-photos-than-you-do-in-the-mirror Some interesting points
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Currently doing 90 minutes on the stairmaster everyday, only lifting I am doing is deadlifting twice a week and some pushups. I am retaining a high proportion of my muscle considering that I am aggressively cutting.

diet is around 2500kcals but cardio is -700kcals.

This is nice.
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>>42447819
Do you want to die senpai

and I prob won't check back so yes I'm serious -- don't use the DNP now -- save it for later
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>tfw gastric dumping off meat
I might unirinically vegan bulk

Although I didnt quite finish my cut, maybe I should finish that. So indecisive baka
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>>42449205
You're in fraud. are you using steroids, if yes, then you're probably not losing much if any muscle. also with what dosages if you're roiding
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>>42449215
become vegan and ull look like me

i didnt even take steroids i just went vegan i made huge gainzz
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>>42449149
If you use 20ml it would be 250 per ml
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>>42449243
the fuck
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>>42448934
that can also be water
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>>42449243
umm this looks natty to me. why u in fraud?
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>>42449149
u're never gonna recover. pinning for lyfe
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>>42449243
Are you wearing 2 pairs of pants?
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So i did a test e cycle 500mg/wk 14 weeks
I went on holiday 3 days ago, its 4 days since, the last pin now and i took 1mg adex before going oversea 3 days ago

I didnt take adex with me and now im a bit paranoid about estro sides because i have no way to counter estrogen for the next 2 weeks

Do you guys think i can get gyno in the next 2 weeks when i took 1mg adex 3 days ago?

And if so can i reverse it with adex/clomid/nolva?
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>>42435244
Should you flex the buttocks when pinning
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>>42449313
its underwear

>>42449273
im natty and vegan

>>42449274
fuk u

>>42449328
never flex the muscle you are pinning
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>>42449328
>>42449346
w-why not
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>>42449255
cool so i did the math correctly.

i need 500ui 2x per week so 10ml should be correct.
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>>42449243
There is *some* credibility to benefits of a vegan diet for natties.

A lot of green veggies have I3C, which is an effective estrogen inhibitor, but you'd have to eat literal kilos of broccoli a day, plus you're gonna be low on protein, B12 and Cartinine, which are all very important in terms of achieving and maintaining a lean muscular physique.
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>>42449377
Your first major benefit for a vegan diet is blocking estrogen? You do understand estrogen is a necessary hormone for functioning as a human correct?
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>>42449373
>>42449373
>>42449372
>>42449372
awsner me fucking nigger
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>>42449377
>protein
normie meme
>b12
kinda true
>cartinine

never heard of
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>>42449420
i already did you homongous faggot, dont flex the muscle you are pinning, you'll be in alot of pain.

I dont understand why you are even asking this. When you have a needle inserted 1 inch deep into your fucking leg, its prolly best not to move it, aye?
I thought that was common logic.
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>>42449402
It doesn't block enough estrogen to produce negative effects, but it converts enough estrogen to reduce negative effects (such as estrogen related cancers), and anecdotally does help reduce body fat composition.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=Indole-3-carbinol

>>42449421
Sorry mate, big thumbs + touch screen.
Look up carnitine, it's is an essential component of your bodies catabolic and metabolic functions.
It's not a magic pill that prevents muscle atrophy, but having a low level of carnitine can cause more muscle atrophy than necessary.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3784205/pdf/tjp0591-4655.pdf

And as to protein, there are numerous studies linking high protein intake to reduced muscle atrophy on diets.
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>>42449223
like ~260mg test/week.

>>42449243
get a fucking tan
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>>42449522
thats funny because im taking 1500mg of carnitine supplement every day.

nice coincidence.

Yeah obviously low protein supports muscle atrophy. What i was trying to say is that im vegan and dont have the slightest problem getting my protons.
And no, i dont drink protein shakes.
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>>42449529
>260
Why even roid?
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>>42449575
250mg put people at way over natty test levels
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>>42449570
How much do you eat, what are your main sources of protein?

Also good to hear you're on the Carnitine supps, I know so many vegans who don't want to touch any supps because they want to prove that they are 100% without supplements.
They could be so much better off if they just took a couple supplements for shit that is hard to get out of their diets.

I mean, when I'm on a cut (1400 kcal) I make sure I'm supping everything under the sun that I might be short on micro wise.
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>>42449575
unfortunately I can't afford high blood pressure or LVH so I do cruise doses.
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>>42449612
But 260 would barely put people over 1000.
I got over 850 just by good genetics and dietary support.

>>42449618
That makes more sense, gave you seen a pathologist and asked for harm minimisation (in your case, blood pressure regulation)?
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>>42449522
Yeah I've sold the stuff before v familiar
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>>42449661
Rule of thumb is 7-10x dose is bloodwork. 250 should be at least 2000 is its decent. What kind of shit gear are you buying?
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>>42449661
I've seen several reports of people on 250mg putting people close to 2000. Anyways it will still provide more gains than being natty and steroids doesn't magically make your health shit so being on low dose is still "worth" it
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>>42449688
>>42449690
http://m.ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full

Guys on 300mg went up an average of 690.

Assuming average range is 400-600, a 260mg dose would net just over 1,000.
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>>42449724
250mg routinely puts me around 2200 so tough tiddies
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>>42449724
100mg puts Jerry at 800.
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How to get rid of bloat? Im bloated in the lower gut and lower back pretty hard. I think it's not fat because when i was bulking natty i had no bicep veins at this weight and right now they are still clear all the way up.
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>>42449884
>>42449884
>>42449884
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>>42449862
check your e2

drink more water

consume less salt
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>>42449615
I dont track calories.

oats,nuts, seeds, hemp are my main sources i guess.

i get 150g of protein daily easily. Could do more with proton shakes if i wanted to.

Yeah im not your average vegan faggot. I dont even care that much up animals and i dont have a problem eating unhealthy food or taking a shit ton of supplements.
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>>42448532
What do you recommend I take, I have a source but there are so many types they have to offer and I keep reading to start slow. Really would benefit with some hard advice here boys, rip me apart for my novice behavior pls, this is just some general stuff in pic related.

Also read I need to stack, fuck this is hard and I don't wanna do it wrong, very nervous and excited
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>>42450108
Forgot to attach the pic
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>>42450108
Read the wiki, post in the new thread.

But basically, start with a babby dose (250-300), make sure you have AI prepped, clean needles for every single injection, on cycle support and PCT, including SERMs and test support.

If you're not clued about all of those, you need to research a LOT more before committing to pinning.

Also, plan bail outs and blood work.
If you bail at two weeks, your PCT and blood work will be entirely different from if you complete a cycle.


So, you need to have.
>Sterons + accessories for injecting - allowing 10% overhead for newbie fuck ups.
>AI
>SERMs
>Test Support
>Money for bloods
Don't start a cycle before you have everything.
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>>42450274
Thanks Man, this is the advice I needed.
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