PPL and lagging shoulder development

I do shoulders on leg day so I get that extra test boost once I hit legs heavy. My delts are huge

>>42384720
Are you natty?
Pls post delts

>>42384720
>believing the training hormones meme
It only spikes during exercise and shortly thereafter. It's not enough to actually promote any extra growth.

To get big shoulders you need to hit your middle and rear deltoid. The front is always overdeveloped in natural lifters. You can do a lot of raises without overtraining. Do controlled, high rep and make sure you're getting a good burn.

Don't expect your shoulders to ever be amazing as a natural litter, though.

I used to do pull-push-legs because I did deadlifts on pull day and wanted the rest for my legs. Now I've swapped it to PLP because of several reasons like rows hitting my posterior delts, and things like lateral raises and low>high cable flies hitting arms(-tri's) which I do on pull day.

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>>42384734
Yeah only pic I have saved right now

>>42384776
I am just only semi-shitposting desu but I do OHP right after squatting. I have naturally broad shoulders

>>42384891
Shit, I'm actually impressed, lacking core though but damn good shoulder development

>>42384891
My core is lagging pretty bad but when I first started lifting my delts and traps exploded with size so everyone was calling me out for cycling.

I just hit the middle delt far too much

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I went from 40 lb db press to 170 x 3 on bb in 6 mos. I am also bear mode (actually /fat/). I'm trying 185 here shortly

>when the only thing you do for legs is leg extensions

>>42384986
What is best for middle delt?

>>42384859
based american spirit smoker

>>42384629
If you want to see actual shoulder development on this routine, every other push day you're supposed to do heavy shoulder work before chest work. So push day 1 do heavy chest light shoulders, then push day 2 do heavy shoulders light chest. Otherwise your chest will develop and your shoulders will really only maintain in strength while possibly get bigger.

>>42385111
upright rows definitely made a huge impact on mass gain but they are really bad for your shoulders. i was doing them way too often and i got a shoulder impingement last year on my left shoulder. I was out for a month and a half

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq67opsS_hc

>>42384891
>natty
>steroid nipples
>traps most developed muscle

Hmmmm

>>42385276
not him but he doesnt have anything wrong with his nips, if he has deads and shrugs then he can have huge traps