Serious question why are meat eaters calm and vegans extremely

>>42376656
It is like being a Jehovah witness 24/7
Try knocking on the door when you are out with your mates at nandoe's.

>>42376656
>watching that vegans video with headphones off
>had to turn the music off
shit on some x files shit

>link a sv3rige video instead of an actual video

Gary Yourofsky is a vegan activist, not exactly the calmest person you could speak of (especially when he's debating someone), but if you instead try to listen to someone which is not into activism and only in for the health benefit, like, most of the doctors and youtubers, you're going to discover that they're pretty much normal people, some of them are more excited and some of them are less.

btw, before any of you faggots jump on my throat, I tried for 2 months a keto diet, and I was pretty much low energy all the time, that was pretty much the reason I wouldn't get extremely agitated or angry, I couldn't, I was so fucked up that I was barely speaking at all, brain fog etc.

The temporary "crystal clear" sensation fades away pretty quickly, between 2 weeks iirc.

>>42376781
why would you do keto for 2 months

keto quite obviously isn't for extended periods of time

>>42376831

being 18 and wanting to lose weight without any actual research, i jumped on the meme bandwagon

>>42376656
>Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders.
>the adoption of the vegetarian diet tends to follow the onset of mental disorders.
Vegetarians/vegans are literally brain damaged. That's why

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/

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>>42376781
>The temporary "crystal clear" sensation fades away pretty quickly, between 2 weeks iirc.

It sounds like you electro lights were fucking low you dumb nigger

Go to 17:37 niggers literally drink blood of an animal to restore electrolytes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot96y5-D_K0


You should have done a cyclical ketogenic diet you fucking dumb nigger.

>>42376781
dr michael greger looks weak as fuck, muscle atrophied

he has the muscle definition of a 8 year old girl

>>42376909
>electro lights

*electrolytes

>>42376656
Durian rider is mentally broken by the realization he will never be a professional bike rider. He desperately clings to the idea that he has some sort of secret knowledge of how to be a faster rider but somehow the breaks didn't go his way so he wasn't able to put those skill on display with a world tour team.

The only reason he gets views is the guy currently winning the Tour de France follows a vegan, supposedly, and that drives people to fringe channels like this. What no one is admitting, least of all Durianrider, is that it isn't a vegan diet is helping Froome win it is AICAR and EPO and kenacourt and wheel motors and clenbuterol.

>>42377494
>AICAR and EPO and kenacourt

What is this seriously?

>>42376656
Because abstinence is NOT the best policy. Moderation is.
Sadly many humans are pathetic sacks of shit who have no self control and so vary between extreme overindulgence or totally abstaining and therefore ending up repressed.

>>42376831
>keto quite obviously isn't for extended periods of time
Why not?

>>42378897
Because he's still under the impression that fat and cholesterol are unhealthy.

>>42378897
cancer & death

>>42376656
hypoglycemia causes mood swings

>>42378933
Then nothing is for extended periods of time, anon.

>>42378986
yh man might as well smoke & shoot crack too!

>>42379013
Why can't anti-keto fags argue against the diet without resorting to bullshit like this, anon?

>>42378897
It platues very fast. Also if you are on strict keto for too long you teach your self bad eating habits due to the fact of it being far more lenient with over consumption. Also its not the greatest on your digestive system. Protiens and fats take longer to break down causing some food to rot on its way through the intestines causing irritation. Which can increase risk for disease.

>>42379064
>Protiens and fats take longer to break down causing some food to rot on its way through the intestines causing irritation
Isn't that a vegan argument?

>>42379049
because keto is meme and how can you be keto & vegan

does not compute

>>42376656
Almost all of the vegans shown have that crazy same look on their faces.

>>42379076
No, biology shows that protiens and fats are harder to break down in our bodies. Technically we have an herbivore digestive tract. So we have a hard time breaking down meats,This is why we cook our meat. The body uses carbs first, fats second, and protiens last. Fat on a keto is the primary source of energy on keto which is formed into fatty chains called ketones the protien is not as important on keto as much as high fat. If you only ate lean meats thinking its healthier you would go into keto acidosis and slowly die in a few months.

>>42379064
>>42379132
you seem quite retarded

>>42379152
Great rebuttal. How long did it take for you to come up with such a great way to contradict everything stated in those posts?

been on keto 2 years, lost 70lbs, been at maintenance for about 6 months, 12% body fat Sleep like a baby 8 hours a night 12-8am like clock work, blood work's good, food's great, eating more greens than I ever had on vegan, vegetarian, or SAD diets, less depressed, less anxious, getting more work done

wouldn't recommend it, it's just a meme

>>42379232
1. you where never vegan.
2. if you where eating more greens than you were when you where "vegan" then you will be going over on your carbs.
3.keto is meme

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>>42379132
>Technically we have an herbivore digestive tract

>>42379287
true tho.

>>42379286
1. yes I was
2. spinach and kale are like, nothing net carb wise
3.k
4.you gay

>>42379086
>because keto is meme and how can you be keto & vegan
By getting you fat from vegetables and fruit like avocados.

>>42379132
>Technically we have an herbivore digestive tract
Then why is our body:intestine length ratio closer to that of a carnivore, anon?

>>42379298
no it's not

>>42379287
Its very true. The only reason we can eat meat in the amounts we do without vomiting is because we cook it. All animals can eat small amounts of meat and will if given a chance. There is no such thing as a 100% herbivore.

If you think im lying, try eating an entire steak raw and see how far you get without feeling ill.

>>42379308
if you were vegan then you would have learnt about the horrors of animal agriculture and the environment once you are vegan you dont go back.

>>42379308
you where plant based

>>42379341
I eat blue steak, steak tartare, and sashimi all the fucking time dip shit.

>>42379315
Just look it up. The biology of the human digestive system is identical to most herbivores except maybe a few. Also our stomach acid is no were near the ph of a lion or other true carnivores like a snake. This is why we get diseases like ecoli amd lions don't.

>>42379400
>Just look it up
Not an argument.
>The biology of the human digestive system is identical to most herbivores except maybe a few.
This isn't the case, hence my question.

>>42379346
>>42379360

I suppose if that's the difference, I bought into the veganism for health meme

>>42376831
Literally >>42376857

I did keto one summer in Highschool and lost some 50 pounds (230 to 170 @ 5'11) in 3 months.

>>42379429
so not vegan then. plant based diet

>>42379447
should have done math then not keto

thats 60lbs

>>42379400
dude, you look it up, you're wrong, what are talking about?

>>42376656
>be normal human bean
>eat a regular, rich with tons of variety diet which coincides with the so called "mediterranean diet"
>perfectly healthy and balanced with no memes
>eat on a surplus for gains and on a deficit to lose fat

dont understand any of you spergs

>>42379449
Sure, I'm just now realizing that veganism is even gayer than I always thought it was.

No I did not eat a plant based diet to protest the commodification of animals as food.

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>>42379476

>>42379449
What's the difference?

>>42379428
Wasnt meant to be an argument. Just saying Stop being lazy and type it into google and read on it your self. I dont have the citations to the articles i read. Also our digestive system resembles more of other apes which are mostly herbivores other than the insect s they eat. The reason we have a slightly shorter digestive tract than most herbivores, is due to us eating more of a fruit and seed diet vs purely vegetation (like leaves and grasses). Our bodies have a hard time breaking down cellulose which make up the walls of most plant vegitation. We are gatherers like apes not grazers like deer.

>>42379541
Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

>>42379512
spose if not eating dead animals make you gay then so be it.

>>42379487
>be normal human bean
>basically follow the american food pyramid
>just don't eat 9 slices of bread a day because I prefer brown rice
>read about the Mediterranean diet and pat myself on the back

>>42379543
>The reason we have a slightly shorter digestive tract than most herbivores, is due to us eating more of a fruit and seed diet vs purely vegetation (like leaves and grasses).
That makes no sense, anon. Herbivores need additional stomachs to digest cellulose.

>>42379555
>or any other purpose.
Stop using your computer then.

>>42379574
i live in a mediterranean country so its pretty much what we eat since we were born
actually, would be more atlantic due to plenty of seafood

>>42379588
as far as is possible and practicable

>>42379597
It's possible not to have a computer, anon. Stop being inconsistent please.

>>42379602
im a software developer its not practical or possible

what does it matter how vegan i am when you eat dead animals?

>>42376656
Vegans are faggots with daddy issues looking for attention through the whole ""HEY GUISE CHECK IT OUT I'M SO SPECIAL AND INTERESTING BECAUSE I DON'T EAT MEAT XDD" act.

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>>42379538
>wereone.co
>whatthis?.jpeg
>go to site
>first article
>THE ALIEN ORIGINS OF HUMANITY THROUGH GENETIC MANIPULATION
>oh okay
>mfw

>>42377613
Kenacort is a corticosteroid that reduces inflammation. The performance enhancing effect for athletes is to help them lose weight quickly without a corresponding decrease in power output.

EPO is a synthetic glycoprotein that stimulates red blood cell production. The PE effect is to increase the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood per volume so that each beat of the heart delivers more oxygen to the muscles.

AICAR stimulates glucose uptake by muscles, which greatly aids in recovery. It wasn't in use when I was a cyclist but I know some trainers who use it these days, mostly between multi-day intense training efforts and in between stages of long races.

>>42379622
>im a software developer its not practical or possible
Why did you pick a profession knowing fully well that it requires the harmth of animals?
>what does it matter how vegan i am when you eat dead animals?
Because I'm consequent (I accept animals dying or my convenience) while you're not.

>>42379573
I guess its less gay to kill and mutilate millions of plants for your salad? Or thousands upon thousands of unborn wheat babies to grind up into a powder and make your breads? For those vegans that think plants cant feel need to look at this shit... https://youtu.be/fStmk7e9lJo

Im looking for the video about the study from the Smithsonian on this subject.

>>42379573
Adhering to a diet solely for activism is the most first world, whiney, privileged thing I can imagine. Go on a hunger strike of you want to make a real statement pussy.

>>42379645
i was not vegan when i started here..

i understand animals die i aim to reduce this as far as is possible and practicable

>>42379677
im not an activist

>>42379576
What dont you get? The vegitation is made of mostly cellulose. The fruits are mostly fiber and sugars the skin is where the cellulose is for the fruits. And seeds are seeds and as long as the outer shell is removed we have no problems breaking them down. Its just the vegitation thats hard for us to digest since we dont have the super long digestive tract or multiple food
Chambers (stomachs). This is why we ate the fruits and seeds or any vegitation matter that was easy on digestion instead of grasses and most leaves.

>>42379696
>i aim to reduce this as far as is possible and practicable
Why?

>>>42379699
>the skin is where the cellulose is for the fruits.
You're an imbecile, anon.

>>42379696
You are if you're vegan.

>>42379717
oh really

>>42379649
We use more plants to feed the animals for their meat. Than if we would just eat those plants.

>>42379713
cuz im vegan tho - animals are here with us not for us

>>42379713
Are you stupid? The more cellulose the harder it is to digest for humans. Fruits being mostly water and simple sugars being held together with thin walls of "cellulose" like molecules called dietary fibers. So yeah the majority of the cellulose in a fruit is found in the skin. You ever wonder why we dont eat apple tree leaves? Because they have far more cellulose than say spinich leaves and are too hard to digest.

>>42379775
>animals are here with us not for us
Except for when it's convenient for you like when they're harvested for their bones to be turned into glue which is needed to electrolyze the copper in your tech, right?

Vegans are absolutely hysterical about how effective keto is, not only is China eating more meat than ever but the west is rediscovering that meat and fat is good. And meanwhile vegans are losing teeth and trying to explain to CPS that they do actually feed their kids and it's all been for nothing.

Animal foods have endogenous opiates, dairy products are the biggest culprit since it is meant too encourage nursed animals.

>>42379760
I'm as surprised as you but if there's a difference between a plant based diet, and veganism, the difference is that one is a form of activism, so, yeah.

>>42379790
Every plant cell has cellulose in its membrane, anon. That's like first grade biology, anon.

>>42379773
The point is that its all the same in the end. One life must be take to sustain another. Plants are no more moral to eat than to eat meat. Only reason people are sentimental about animals is because they pretend animals are better off without us when they couldn't be any more wrong.

>>42379773
People don't really like grass, that's an even harder sell than salads 24/7.

>>42379812
You must be really thick skulled. Obviously theres cellulose in all plants. Its just in different densities for each part of the plants. This is why some plants we can eat most of the leaves like lettuce. And other that we cant even eat 90% of the leaf like artichokes. So stop being willfully ignorant and use your damn brain for once. I know being vegan You dont have much energy to have any real cognitive thinking abilities.

>>42379852
>Its just in different densities for each part of the plants. This is why some plants we can eat most of the leaves like lettuce.
Humans can't digest cellulose, anon. The density is irrelevant, anon.

>>42379800
China is also suffering a huge increase in cancer and heart disease. These lag animal product consumption...it takes time for the disease those bring to manifest...but they are clearly coming.

On the bright side Chinese will soon be as obese as Americans so one fewer people to laugh at them.

Also, far more children are harmed via obesity enabled by the standard western meat focused diet, than by ignorant vegans. You don't see the former on the news because obesity is pretty much the standard American condition these days.

>>42379883
>what is fiber anon
>i need to learn biology anon


If you dont know that the stuff we call fiber or dietary fiber is just the left over cellulose from the plant that was eaten. I cant help you any more than already i have. I have literally spelled it out for you.
Plants are sugars and water. The sugars takes different forms like cellulose and wax like molecules. If you cant figure out how we digest water and sugar there is no help for you and you should just waddle your self back to /rk9

>>42379808
Ha no. Listen Rip Esselstyn rant on, or watch his movies.

He explicitly refutes the idea that a vegan diet is nutritious and instead insists on following a "while food, plant based" diet which he has recently distilled down into "plant-strong" to make it more marketable.

>>42379821
This is just some reductio absurdum bullshit reasoning. Plants don't fit anywhere close to the same criteria as animals when it comes to a moral judgement about their treatment.

>>42379923
Lets blame meat for cancer and obesity. Not human nature to eat as much as possible. Or its not human habits like smoking or adding tons of a salts to our foods? Not to mention added sugar or aka satan himself.

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>>42379923
Well you got me there, can't think of any other reason China might have higher instances of cancer and heart disease

http://time.com/4233241/air-pollution-obesity-diabetes/

>>42379923
Why is that pajeets are all obeast and vegetarians if it is all meat's fault? They are the global gold mine for beetus and heart disease.

>>42380003
I blame meat because the science supports it.

Salt is not particularly harmful to most healthy people, at least in normal quantities. Same for sugar.

I'd also argue that human nature does not include eating as much as possible. Otherwise people in the developed world would be far more obese than they are now because there is pracicslly unlimited food available 24/7. The more likely factor is highly calorie dense food, most of which contain animal products. Since satiety indicators are generally triggered by volume people who eat more of them tend to get more calories.

>>42379987
How? Plants were here first. The have the most primitive versions of awareness and sense of feel. Just because the majority dont look at plants as "important". Thats because they are so abundant. Also they dont move or give "affection" in ways most humans see affection. I see plants and animals as equal beings. I eat both. I keep and care for both. I keep ones i like and ones that taste good alive and well and all the others are left too nature. Most if the animals and plants we see today are here because humans wanted them to be here and healthy. If it was up purely to the chaos of nature, most things today wouldn't even exist.

>>42380024
Why would you post a study linking obesity and diabetes to air pollution, to refute a comment on cancer and heart disease?

>>42380066
Are you going based off what the fda tells us? Cuz salt is not necessary and we ahould only use it for preserving foods and replenishing our electrolytes from excessive sweating. Sugar is the leading cause of fatty liver disease. 80% of sugar is passed through the liver while alcohol has less than half that. Both salt and sugar are terrible on our kidneys.

>>42380032
Pajeets eat a tremendous amount of dairy.

Also they are the laziest people I've ever seen, so they aren't tending the other half of the health equation.

>>42380109
>Are you going based off what the fda tells us?
No

>cuz
I'm not sure I can have a productive conversation with someone who types "cuz"

>blah blah blah
Sugar is not inherently bad. Eating enormous quantities of sugar indeed is, just like anything else, but in relation to diseases caused by animal products those caused by enormous sugar intake are tiny. NAFLD included.

Every vegan argument for the health benefits of a plant based diet begin with the assumption that "plants are natural, they must be good for you" followed by, at best, citing studies wherein they on to display there total lack of understanding of correlation and causation in an attempt to back up their original assumption. At worst they just regurgitate new age hippy shit not based in science in any way.

If you're doing it for ethical reasons, fine, but cut the shit.

>>42380112
False. They do not have excessive dairy consumption, they get the majority of calories from sweets(sugar!) rice, pulses and grains, all of which make insulin, the calorie storage hormone haywire. Fried foods and sweets are allowable and are the only calorific foods permitted.

>>42380094
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-outdoor-air-pollution-causes-cancer.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170210084550.htm

There you go, cancer, heart disease, obesity, and diabetes, happy faggot? Don't strain your fingers googling anything yourself.

>>42379933
No, fiber is indigestible and comes of your angus pretty much intact, mixed in with bile and other waste products. That's why fiber makes you shit, because it passes through the digestive tract real quick, because there is no possible digestion to do with it.

>>42379384
>if I just keep telling myself there's nothing wrong with stuffing my face with meat three meals a day, it will eventually be true
Cope

>>42380166
Yes you are right, meat and fats is soo bad, better head my carbs and sugar ;)))))))))))

Vegansim is the way forward because a meat based diet is unsustainable for humanity. Global warming will soon reach a point where we can no longer justify the expenditure of land and water, the emission of greenhouses gases and the deforestation required just to have some tasty proteins.

Also in 85% sure most of the shitty, self absorbed internet vegans are fake accounts set up by big farmer to tarnish the image of vegans, because actually rebutting them is too hard.

t. pescatarian who isnt pescatarian just because ‘muh poor innocent animals’

>>42380392
>reads some bullshit on hippy about how it's impossible to eat raw meat
>regurgitates hippy bullshit
>easily disproven
>If I just say cope I win
>cope

>>42380459
This is the problem with you people. If you can prove to me that vegetarianism is better personally/nutritionally (which I've never seen done) then I'm changing my habits. This muh planet bullshit is not enough for me to drop animal products while there are these obvious deficiencies in plant based eating. Obs: stuffing yourself with vitamins doesn't count.

> doing keto for 3 months: eat meat, eggs and lot of vegetables with coconut/olive oil/butter/lard.
> my NDPH has decreased a lot without carbs and I never fell hungry even cutting (80kg -> 70kg 5'9) while I would previously overeat because of my chronic pain

>>42380682

If you don’t sort your shit out there wont be any vegetable protein, let alone animal protein, left on earth for your gassy ass.

>in the near apocalyptic future
>’the earth is scorched and barren but I’m yoked as fuck so who cares’

>>42380178
Are you suggesting Dr Caldwell Esselstyn conflated correlation and causation?

>>42380801
>If you don’t sort your shit out there wont be any vegetable protein, let alone animal protein, left on earth for your gassy ass.>in the near apocalyptic future

This is what vegans believe folks, remember that when you try to argue with them. They're super scared, They're like WBC members who really believe faggots are going to hell and they have a duty to tell warn them.

>>42380801
>near future
Source?
Give me any real scientific paper which is as alarmist as you/random libtard undergrad/media and I will shut my mouth.

>inb4 *predicted* +1C in decades will somehow kill us all

Computer models are ridiculously imprecise, if you have done some math and/or modeling you would know this. Specially in such a big system with a lot of unaccounted variables.

>>42380859
had*

Also gassy, lol. I actually almost never fart on keto, did it on carbs a lot more.


You just need to take a deep breath and understand that the world is not changing, even if a lot of people want to believe this and indoctrinate childs this way.

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>>42377494

>That one video when Durian runs into Team Sky on the road, gets dropped like a log of shit, and clearly looks deeply depressed for the rest of the video

Delicious.

>>42380859

>’give me a scientific paper’
>’models are imprecise’

What kind of evidence are you after then?

>>42380963
I want a paper which is that alarmist, even if using models which I don't believe are proper.

>>42380963
Also, see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x3Qh3_27Xk

If you are ok with this kind of shit in schools you have a serious problem.

>>42376656
Nice cherry picking.

>>42376906
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/
>N=54

>>42376906
The brain damage probably comes from having to listen to people who thinks correlation proves causation and who derive points from small population studies instead of meta studies.

>>42376656
OH SHIT MY MOM IS TAKING B12 PILLS IS SHE IN DANGER?

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Low T meatfags not agitated all the time.

Stay mad healthlets.