/fraud/ steroids general

Is Trest a meme?

>>42350185
Doesnt sound like it, but the estrogen it converts into is extremely strong as well.

Its just kinda expensive, like around $40-$50 a gram from a raw reseller.

You could probably run it as a base instead of test at like 100mg a week.

>>42350230
I'm a fucking leaf so I'm used to ridiculous prices for gear.
I've also found a number of oral ment sources but I know orals are a meme so I don't know what to think of this. I'd prefer injectable ace, 20mg/EOD or so.
As far as the estrogen goes, up the AI dose I guess

>>42350247
>Anadrol, Sdrol, methyltren
>Memes

Anyway, as far as trest goes, apparently the cream is better than the oral for some reason according to some anon.

One of the verified chink meme sources also carries Trest Deca - but finished injectable only, they only sell the raw for trest ace.

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>>42350289
I'm talking about oral versions of injectables, like oral test and shit. I know var, sdrol etc aren't memes.

We'll see how cucked Canada's customs is, I might be able to import if I'm lucky

>>42350312
Yeah its probably low bioavailability, but not non-existent.

Can you import from the U.S. without issue? Same meme source has them both with domestic U.S. (youd have to use reship or something).

I dont know how it is for Amerifats and Canada.

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>>42350340
Yeah I just checked them out

But the Canada meme source just started to stock Trest in July. Time for gainz

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Inb4 thread deleted for source talk, sorry guys

>>42350356
I honestly want to try the trest deca as a base now..

You guys are doing it wrong, you need to take estrogen pills to get ripped faster by pretty much doubling the worth of each of your gains. It's like doubling up your pl8s.

>>42350131
SARMs?
I know mk677 is gucci
But what about the rest?

>>42350858
If youre looking to try something new, try s23 while on test.

>>42350878
What about ostarine for the joints?

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Tomorrow is my first shot at cruise dosage after a 16 week blast of test e. Gains were great, but I did put on a bit of fat so I'm looking forward to running this cut. Can still see my abs through the fat / bloat though so I'm pretty fired up to see what's under there desu.

>>42350926
Good luck bro, if abs are still visible underneath the fat you'll have a nice suprise waiting for you.
What % are you aiming for?

Can we see some pictures you fucking cheaters

>>42350973
PM'd you the pics ;)

>>42350957
Thanks man! I'm probably sitting at 15-16% right now based on my gymbro's estimates. I'd like to hit 10 - 12% just for kicks. Going to cut the carbs right down, get back on IF, and up the cardio. I shed weight pretty quick so hopefully the muscle sparing effects of 150 mg / wk are enough. You cruise with mast too, right? What's the benefit of that over straight test?

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do you m8s use anything for joint pain?

>tfw would rather inject chemicals than go to physio

Can i add some orals in the middle of my cycle to get some strength gains?

>>42351001
Mast during cruise is purely cosmetic. Makes you look just a bit more defined and leaner.
Helps me staying motivated, makes me want to hit the weights harder.

>>42351084
Deca is comfy for joints.

>>42350906
It healed up my issues at 50mg ED while on test quickly (as in they didnt come back after that), if you only want something for healing ostarine is really good shit. If you want something for muscle building then its pretty low tier.

>>42351194
ye was thinking about deca, but caber is fucking expensive here in kangaroo land

>>42351218
You shouldn't need it at all at doses like 200mg for simple joint relief.

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>>42351295
I'll order a few vials then
I just want to be able to squat without sand under my patella

>>42351348
Good luck, hope it works for you.

starting prescribed trt today, tips?

>>42351548
Take dbol or anadrol with it for 6 weeks and bulk hard

>tfw want to kill someone if I have to eat chicken again
>bored of beef and pork as well
>tfw literally just eating egg+bacon sandwich spreads straight up with no carbs (200cal 18g protein per 100grams)
>not interested in all types of side dishes/carbs, outside of savoury pies and quiches, which are a nono.

life sucks.

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>>42351149
Hm really eh, I may have to toss that in. Thanks for the info bruv. How's the tren train?

>>42351733
won't trt give me massive gainz alone? I don't want liver cancer.

>>42351937
If your levels are significantly higher than natty it should of course help with gains.

>>42351926
Extended cruise by 2 weeks till my bp is okay again.
Slacking on cardio lately, want to have to that in order again before I hit the Tren.

Also with the moving between places my diet is not what it should be.

>>42351937
By definition TRT is supposed to bring you to natural levels of T so that you feel normal. It depends on what your dosage is, but since you're on trt in the first place then yes you'll notice pretty good gains compared to your old gains

>>42352010
What was your bp? And what is your target bp before blasting?

What compounds were you blasting?

Curious here

is there a way to get the feelgood gains like extra confidence quickly on a cycle?

>>42351937
im on a fucking cycle and im very unhappy with the gains so i assume trt doses will do jack shit

>>42352166
What are you running, how long have you been running it? What's your training program? Stats?

>>42352132
Alcohol

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tommorow morning my free test results should be online and i will find out if i should kill myself on the spot or bit later

>>42352193
alcohol will increase the bio-availability of the testeosterone right?!

>>42352300
where do you get your bloods at?
and dont kys

>>42352341
>where do you get your bloods at?
local private lab

>and dont kys
it depends on the result but there is no other way really

>>42352086
140/90 range right now, want to be at 120/80 range at the very least.
It never got past this, I used to have low blood pressure (as low as 70/40) so this is a good fix for me.

750mg Test, 400mg Deca, 400mg Mast was the blast.
1.5 ish weeks into cruise now at 250mg Test and 200mg Mast. (Not a real cruise I know, its bridge for the tren).

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>>42352377
>it depends on the result but there is no other way really
wat

>>42352446
Man if you got up to high bp without tren get ready for a shitshow

>>42352456
i might kill myself right away or do it bit later but it depends on test results. Either way comitting kys is the only option in my situation.

>>42350131
rüüüüüüüüüüüüüühhhhhhhhhhhhlllllllllllllllllll

>>42352446
Do your cardio
Also coq10

>>42352327
R-right

>>42352467
>>42352478
Already upping my cardio game.
Also the stress from moving/work.

>>42352501
Also 140/90 isnt that high yet and the full test and deca is still leaving the system

>>42352501
Seriously take coq10 like Jerry is stating. You can also take ubiqonol which is more effective because it's the pure form of coq10. It's also good for heart health. Just look it up, there are plenty of studies. Buy that shit at bodyenfitshop, it's cheap af.

When i used test prop it did wonders for me.

>>42352132
400-500mg masteron with test.

>>42352472
killing yourself is stupid as fuck and a shit meme. if you ever even get close to death you would understand that there are beautiful and very important things in life

>>42352687
how soon would that kick in?

>>42352446
I maxed out like 123-128/80-85 on test E 700mg, and adrol.

Dbol with low test though put me over 150/90 quickly ree. That was only 20-30mg too.

>>42352472
You're worried your free test is going to be low so your solution if it is to an hero? Bro, you realize you're in the steroids general, correct? Literally stick a needle in your ass and stop this faggotry.

>>42351086
>What is liver damage

>>42351086
Yes, primarily strength?

How do i need to wait after my first cycle to do another one? At least same amount of weeks that was on gear?
Inb4 making breaks of juice

>>42352727
As soon as the first little drop leaves you syringe.

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>>42352899
time on time off is what's commonly advised, but a lot of guys don't make it that long.

>>42352760
No more than running orals at any other point in the cycle, but yes liver toxicity is definitely a concern.

>>42352556
I never ever knew it was a legal thing.
I feel retarted now and will look into it.

Thanks man.

>>42352478
Thank you as well Jerry

>>42352899
You could check bloods when they are fine, jump back on.

Or you could just cruise, check BP and bloods, jump back on if its fine.

>>42352735
I literally sitcked needle in my ass but the story is much more complicated. I've got wall of text prepared to copy and paste here because i need help but i can't paste it until i get my blood work results.

>>42353025
>never ever knew it was a legal thing
>injects horse hormones

It lowered my diastolic by 10 points alone when I first got compartment syndrome.
Also look into niacin, baby asprin, and bleeding yourself

>>42353126
Will look into niacin and the aspirin.

Already bleed myself.

I honestly thought it was another substance and I don't want to add even more shit to my body.

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can shit like nolva/tamoxifen reduce the effects of gyno caused by adolescence, years later?

>>42353154
Could try blasting it out with Letro but I wouldn't hope for it.

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>>42353025
Will second CoQ10 is a godsend.

>>42353054
At this point you're just attention-whoring, so don't forget the toaster on the bathtub ledge, and stream it on Twitch for max irony.

>>42353154
>>42353201
I've heard of guys using lethro to nuke it, but its a harsh compound - probably better to get the surgery so it doesn't come back the second you aromatize making it all a waste of time & feeling like shit for absolutely no reason

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How does 'she' get away with it?

>>42353242
im just blogposting here because i have nothing else to do

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>>42353458
>im just blogposting here because i have nothing else to do
Same man, same.

What's up everybody, sitting here crying in a Denny's bathroom after my wife left me. What's the best cycle to run if I wanna fucking die

>>42353999
What happened?

Tren until your heart gives out.
(But please don't you're alright)

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>>42354038
I was jk my man, I don't even have a gf or a wife. I was just hoping it sounded pathetic enough to get some laffs.

I mean I do wanna die but not until I fuck some more sloots and get joocy as fuark.

>>42354066
>but not until I fuck some more sloots and get joocy as fuark.
Jerry has done these and still decided Azusa is superior.

Just go for the daki

>>42352132
For me 100mg of tren a and 20mg of Sdrol a day.
I've never experienced this sort of euphoric mental state before.

If you are weak willed or an angry person then maybe mast and dbol.

just found out that i'm infertile

fml

>>42355230
Good, now you can nut in sloots without worrying about child support

>>42355230
Jelly.

I had to pay for it

>>42355230
Man that's a conflicting feel. I'm sorry dude.

Where are UK friends getting their ephedrine

>>42355258
>>42355277
I'm actually gutted by the news, it's not like the count is a 0.0, it's just really low. I had cancer and had a nut removed, but no chemotherapy or radiation, so I thought my fertility was going to be fine. I just got married and even though I'm not worried about kids now, I would've at least liked to know that my body hasn't fucked me over in choosing whether or not to have kids down the road.

thinking that I should just HCG my subfertile single testicle until I can get enough for IVF eventually.

>>42355327

Buy ephedrine dot co dot uk

>>42355363
>buyephedrine.co.uk’s server DNS address could not be found.

Must be down, shame

>>42355334
>I just got married
Lol stopped reading

rip

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>>42355334
> it's not like the count is a 0.0, it's just really low.

>>42355387
>just
it's been 4 years, but yeah, time to leave humanity behind and find a 2D waifu
>>42355418
with TRT? probably not. I'm banking my shitty sperm and holding out on having my testicle cloned in china in the next 10 years.

Do you get brain gains too

>>42355468
cycle dat der piracetam + semax + p21 with your tren and test

>>42355459
Aw man. Well good luck dude. I mean I don't want kids right now either but I understand that it's nice to have the option if you want it.

Let's hope those chinks get good at making synthetic ball gains a thing

>>42355503

I should have been more specific.

I'm going to see a doctor who, I've been told, will write a prescription for test and then regularly take blood work to monitor everything.

I'm just dipping my feet in. So will there be brain gains with only test?

Anyone here have experience with test susp? Was gonna do dbol or oxys for first 4 weeks of babbys first 500mg test e a week 16 week cycle until test e kicked in but was wondering whether i could inject test susp every day maybe even twice a day for first few weeks. Probs will end up just using dbol cos cheaper ajd less pinning but am curious.

>>42355528
if you're low test, allegedly? although, I heard neuroendocrine specialists say that testosterone is damaging to prefrontal cortex and makes you stupid.

No source talk? Wow... 4chan had become so pussified. Not that i need sources, but holy shit what a bunch of cucks the current admins must be.

do you guys think elon musk is on test, he like went bald in his 20s during paypal

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>>42355557
>damaging to prefrontal cortex

Everything in life is a fucking tradeoff

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>>42355557
> testosterone is damaging to prefrontal cortex and makes you stupid.
Hey fucker, I was a dumbass before I started this stuff so you can ZIP IT

>>42355631
look at joe "I've been on TRT for 20 years" Rogan though, he's grown a brain on his brain

>>42355582
Probably running hgh/peptides + hair drugs. Fuck if i know but no way he is not on something.

>>42355681
it looks like a hair transplant to me, he does talk about modafinil

>>42355334
i had cancer too, should i be concerned about being infertile also?
have you ever been on a cycle?

How come my face looks even leaner than when I started taking dbol? Shit makes no sense.

>>42352193
Jerry ward is here, say something nice about primeval labs.

>>42355775
you should absolutely be concerned and don't buy the bullshit that doctor recount ad nauseum about how fertility isn't affected after an orchiectomy, because it most certainly is and there have been countless studies showing long-term damage on the hormonal scale and fertility scale of things after cancer, regardless of adjunct treatments.

i've never cycled, but will now knowing that i've got nothing to lose after banking what small amount I have left. also, I hope you banked before your treatment because I never did and was told it wouldn't be a problem. wish I could get a malpractice suit, but it's been over 5 years now and it's cancer so fertility/low t isn't the biggest concern.

Just done my daily jab. Got some nasty pip going on. Any other quick fixes except a hot water bottle?

>>42356059
Rub and massage that shit

>>42355557
>hes more manly than me hes dum

>>42356195
not what I'm saying but that's the common consensus on medical science, probably why it doesn't get prescribed

best trt/fraud channel on yt?

>>42356401
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlphaDestiny
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg1HMNQ94Ba1rH6JZueBcag

>gf just asked me if I'm roiding then said she "didn't want me to" when I said no
uhoh

>>42356501
She already knew yah dingus

>>42356348
>doctors don't prescribe testosterone for testosterone replacement therapy because it causes brain damage
>testosterone replacement therapy
>replacement
kek

>>42356348
But that's retarded. It makes people more clear minded and sharp. Effectively more intelligent.

Unless it kills the retarded woman neurons. :^ )

>>42355852
I believed them, they told me that my testosterone levels and sperm count would be fine, but my test levels plummeted after surgery and I believe that is why I started having panic attacks afterwards. now I'm here thinking about going on trt doses to up my test levels
Sadly I didn't get any sperm banked beforehand, my sperm was probably better quality and at a higher count before the surgery, but I didn't give it too much thought and now I kinda regret not having it done after hearing what happened to your sperm levels.

how many times do you fap a week?

>>42356692
usually 3-4 [spoiler]per day[/spoiler]

How long does it take for e2 to drop and stabilize after increasing ai?

>>42356501
Lmao my mom did the same thing to me a few days ago.

She knows.

>>42356547
>>42356769
she actually found an old bottle of asin and asked if it was steroids

pretended it was just some supplements but I don't think she believed me

>>42356688
dude, no one talks about this shit when you go through it. you're effectively on your own and I had to deal with shitty low t sides for years thinking it was something neurological, ADHD, chronic fatigue syndrome. men's health? tough it out. you're not dying of cancer but your quality is shit? nothing we can do.

>>42356474
are either of these guys really on trt or gear?

>>42356718
Depends on the AI you use

>>42350131
Is 5/3/1 useless for roiding even if you modified it so it's everyday rather than only 3 times a week.

>>42355334
roids make you infertile dude. i remember i came off a b&c i was on for a year and it took until the same month next year to see my semen noticeable a white colour again and not just water.

>>42357462
>>>42355334 (You)
>roids make you infertile dude.
I've never roided before and I'm subfertile, so just taking HCG.

>>42355557
>testosterone is damaging to prefrontal cortex

inconclusive. in fact it may improve spatial capabilities. but that too, is inconclusive.

https :// www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4330791/

>>42357485
well at least you have some sperm. i had absolute 0 while i was cruising. took a yer to get it a 'low' level.

>>42357537
did you get on clomid or HCG?

>>42356692
prbably 20

>>42357589
i didn't. i had clomid and nolva on hand but i didn't use them. i read about their side effects and honestly i just wanted to be completely clean of any and all drugs at the time. i want my body to just fix itself. and it did, but it took over a year.

>>42357032
She probably googled it and clicked around a bit until she found out what it was used for. Or she just googled "aromasin steroids" and figured out they were related.

Noob here. I read somewhere that muscle building potential for years after using from boosted myonuclei count. Is this true? Could I just do one cycle and reap the benefits for years?

Is scalp roid zits a thing or is it something else I have, it's hard to feel with all hair

>>42357987
Never had it or heard of it.

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All right faggos. I'm gonna do this shit.

Would ligandrol be more effective/allow me to keep more gains than a strictly oral cycle of dbol?

Primary factor in not wanting a test base for bbs first cycle is cost.

Also, are there any downside to running a nolva pct even if I don't end up with that much suppression from ligandrol? I know ideally you should get bloodwork done, but again, it's cost prohibitive. Nolva is cheap af. How long should the pct be?

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>>42358439
Bump w more gfs 4 responses

>>42350131
Is that Alex Jones?

>>42357987
you should probably use some nizoral

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>>42358479

>>42351348
whos that guy

>>42358828
>>42358479

dat azz

>>42358439
vial of test is 20-35 bucks
needles are like 10 cent a piece

>>42358890
ITS JESS!

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>>42359086
Yea but you need like 5 of them for a cycle ya dummy. Ligandrol is $50 for 8 weeks and so is dbol.

>>42358914
It was good but not good like this one. Now give me answers you rejects.

>>42359161
you could run one alongside the dbol
or get two and run 350 a week (you really dont need more imo) for like 16 weeks
trust me ive done all the steroids and youve not done any
i am right

>>42359086
self worth and dignitiy priceless

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>>42359189
So 10 weeks would be worth it even at 300 or so?

>>42359224
You really feel that much different on test?

Also, say I just wanted to do ligandrol [I'm 27, in fairly good shape, keep IF diet in check, just a bit sloppy on starting and stopping gym time (by this I mean like a week off here and there, nothing wretched) so I feel like I would benefit from something minimal just to get started], what's our consensus on the nolva with it? Would that fuck me up somehow if it ended up being unecessary???

I seem to remember that a dbol only cycle is stupid and gets you fat/no lasting gains, but I like to check with the freaks on /fraud/ just for funnsies. I'm heavily leaning towards ligandrol. Do we hate it? Am I a faggot????

>>42359324
go for time on rather than megadose
do 300-350 for 15 weeks
shop well and it should cost you like 120-130 all in
the shitload of ai youll need on dbol will end up costing you the same

do whatever you want tho
i learned through trial and error too
youll figure it out
which i guess is unessecary when you have the info here but do you booboo

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>>42359369
SO just test is preferable to just dbol?

Also, I really want some honest opinions on the ligandrol/serm thing. What's the general consensus on this board about SARMS? I know there are rackets sources but irc.bio and several others are cheap/legit etc.

>Not big enough to be liked by the roiders
>Not small enough to be liked by the natties

Am I the only one who feels like everyone dislikes them at their gym? It could be the fact that I wear weeb shirts all the time but even the asain kids dont make eye contact with me. Oh well I did make a big guy kek today

>End of Back/bi day
>Supersetting Pullup x F with Empty Straight bar curl x F
>Some Manlet decked out in wraps and a belt comes up and asks how much longer im going to be with the power cage
>Tell him im going to use it until im done
>He is obviously annoyed at me
>I offer to let him work in with me if he wants
>"B-but I need to do squats" he says
>I look at him blank face and ask him the fuck he wants to do squats in the curl rack for
>Inform him that people will judge him if he does.
> He storms to the smith machine with his belt on and starts to warm.
>Big guy beside me shook his head and laughed.
I felt like i could of made a friend today, maybe ill talk to him next time

what would hapoen if you went high sodium(6g or more) but less than 100g carbs a day.

would you get the good kind of water retention?

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>>42359455
I go to a fitness first so it's all roiders or old rich people. Nothing gets my fired up for a workout more than people pinning in the disgusting locker rooms or old men walking around in their activewear shirts and nothing else.
Post code. I need a gym buddy

>>42359746
That is a very "it depends" question.
Is your e2 undercontrol
Are you getting sufficient ammounts of the other electrolytes
The abundance of muscle glycogen is dependent on carbs, I don't know many big people who can look full on 100g a day without mast/primo/precontestorals
Just try it but I'd say your gonna look flat.

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>>42359419
bumps off this ass niggahhhhh

>>42360015
Yes just test is far superior to just dbol. if you don't why reeeeeeeeee the sticky

There is no general consensus on SARMS on this bored, we fight over everything, I believe they can help but bang for your buck test+deca/tren/adrol etc or even test on it's own is going to give better size results for the price.

>>42359324
yes you're a fag

lgd4033 isn't terrible, I ran it solo once at 10mg/day with no pct before I hopped on gear and I got decent results. I was mildly suppressed but nothing awful.

it's complete garbage compared to just test, though. and don't run solo dbol.

also read the wiki

3rd dose of BPC-157 taken orally at 250mcg for gf.

No results. Does it take time to build up saturation?

Also caught gfs flu

Goodbye gains

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>42360180
BPC does nothing orally unless you're trying to treat GERD, IBS, or IBD. BPC doesn't even do anything when you spot inject into the tendon. To me, BPC was a waste of time and probably dangerous in the long-term.

>>42359455
>wearing weeb shirts
Smh

None of my cospa shirts fit
But theyre too expensive to make stringers

>>42360194
You need gains to lose gains
>hurts multiple shoulders
>gets sick

Youre not just beta, youre genetically beta

is it common to first grow chinbeard before a full beard is developed? I have a pretty full chinbeard and the rest is pretty patchy but do exist.

am I doomed to chinbeardism?

I've read that some people use taurine as a filler in dnp capsules, does taurine actually have weight loss benefits or is it just bs?

>>42360333
I am trying to treat IBS

>>42360386
I was always nice to you jerry. why do you betray me?

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>lookin up tranny hookers
>decide against an asian cause shes not a tv
Holy shit im getting gayer

>>42360749
Its called being tsundere

>>42361043
What are you gay?

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>>42361082
Fucking apperently
>tfw sucked 5x more dicks than girls hands held

>balls are raisins again
welp time for another hcg cycle

>>42361125
>>42361043
I don't get gays in so much denial they resort to psycho trannies

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>>42361139
Im not gay though, not that theres anything wrong with that. Im just intimidated by women. Lolis arent feminine yet, and trannies are dudes. I cant get off to gay porn, I dont check out dudes
Although who doesnt compare biceps
But i check out lolis like crazy

>>42361415
You really need to see a therapist. You don't even have to mention the lolis, just intimidation by women and the traps.

>>42361415
Why don't you fuck a female hooker?

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I have a question.. I started a steroid cycle without cutting down to low body fat first.. I'm almost halfway through and have put on a TON of mass (large muscles) I've been bulking. Should I keep bulking even though I was a little chubby when I started and have put on almost 25 lbs?

>>42361506
Do whatever you like m8, who cares except for you...

>>42361506
Depends what you're running. If your running aromatising compounds then cut.

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>>42361506
Follow your heart

>>42361043
>>42361415
Jerry I just want you to know that I understand where you're coming from. The most important thing for you to do is to meet and talk with as many different women as possible so that you learn that they are not things to be feared, but to be used and somewhat hated. Your life will be so much better when you realize this.

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Hello /fit/, I am about to start my first "cycle". I put it in quotes because knowing my addictive personality, it's likely I wont come off for a solid year or two.

Anyways: I plan to start with 200mg Test-E and then taper up just to see how I react. I tend to be pretty sensitive to drugs (used to be a huge junkie so I know my body pretty well) so I don't want to be overwhelmed by any acute side effects like trouble sleeping or any weird shit like that.

my question is: what can I expect that first day? Will it just be a sort of anticipation anxiety which eventually fades as the effects are supposedly gradual and take weeks to kick in, or will I actually immediately feel different?

>>42361717
You will feel nothing but pip.

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>>42361717
>first day

>>42361792
>>42361726

Damn, really? I was expecting all these weird acute effects like rapid heart rate, sweating, trouble sleeping, etc...

Even with 500mg?

going into third week of pct and found out a mate has a brain tumor
great

>>42361820
Not right away. They're hormones not recs.

You won't feel anything immediately not unless you inject into a vein. Especially not with long esters and most likely not with test. Maybe with Tren A it'd fuck you up the first day if you're a strong responder to sides.

But really other than orals, there's nothing that's going to make you feel anything the first day.

>>42361479
Rude.

>>42361491
Theyre shit.
One time one was in the walking range of the zoo, and the zoo was way better.
Another time we were fugsin and she took the call, couldnt understand the guy, gave me the phone, and it was some dude talking chinese 500mph lol.
But theyre not worth the price. Neither are tranny hookers

>>42361506
Time2cut

>>42361607
I keep deleting tinder though
Im done going out, I did enough of that it college

>>42361820
You can think of an ester as the car your hormones take to work
Ethenate is kinda slow

Does test cure mild depression?

Did my first cycle of 500mg test/w and 30mg dbol/d (4weeks) for 12 weeks and then cruised with 250mg/test for 8weeks.

Started 400mg deca and 500mg test 4 weeks ago and havent put on weight since. What gives? Im thinking the deca hasnt kicked in full yet though im getting huge ass pumps in the gym and sweating like a fucking animal.

My first cycle with dbol I put on ~16lbs and have since kept it all

>>42362533
Not unless low-test is the cause of your depression.

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My asscheek is swollen right now. Its not red or itchy but it definitely fucking swollen and feeling bruised. This is my second cycle and I dont think this happened at all my first cycle. im using test from a different vendor which has different oil. Should I go to the hospital if it is still this way in the morning?

Lost all appetite from flu. Too lethargic to muster the effort to squeeze out the shit I'm taking.

>>42362885
everything is your life sounds so traumatic. Can't wait until you have real problems

>>42362894
>Crusader is a whiny little bitch

Colour me surprised.

>>42362905
*disgusted

>>42362700
What oil is it? If it's MCT some people have an adverse reaction to it.

>>42362565
>what gives?
You're four weeks into using deca, you're not gonna see anything for probably another four weeks. It's one of the longest esters out there.

>>42362885
Blast it away with more Tren :^)

>>42359161
You need 3 of them you daft cunt.

>>42363391
I was thinking of bringing in a cycle of sdrol after this flu is gone to make up for lost gains.

recommendations for a new user outside of test-e and an AI? getting bloodwork done next week.

>>42361717
Holy fucking shit. How big are those wrists?

>>42360194

Probably HIV from all the BBCs she has been taking behind your back dude

>>42361717
if thats you natty then you may not much different or see much results at 200mg

>>42363779
I dont know what dose of Tren you are on, but I doubt you'll lose gains.

>>42359419
Sarms are mostly just used by pussies who want to avoid needles.
Thete are of course usefull ones but good old roids are
1. Mostly cheaper
2. Researched for decades
3. Mostly potenter
4. Widly available
5. Mostly not fake/sugar powder
6. Good for beginners due to 1-5
>>42361415
Somehow i ended up in a relationship lasting already 3 years but i cant talk to other women either. Cant hold conversations or eye contacts. Not even women but men also, if i know them its fine but new people? Nopeeee
I am probably the weirdo in my gym, never talk to anyone always stare at a girls ass and break eye contact or hold a creepy eye contact if i do t realise it.
>>42363813
Long and slow approach is imo best 500test 20weeks. Easy and gainfull.
But nobody wants to hear that, i didnt want to hear that either. Took tren / deca / eq / dbol ober the past 2 years and it was a complete waste of momey and time.
250test & cut till sub 10%
500-750 test bulk till 15%
250test % cut till sub 10%
Either test again or start trying other stuff

>>42360458

I have the same issue famalam.

Just started applying minoxidel today on the patchy areas.

>>42363009
Ok, will do a 12w or max 16w cycle this time and then a pct. Think I need to get off for a while to let my body rest.

>>42364010
DON'T RUIN MY JUSTIFICATION YOU FUCKING MANLET

Any of you boyos bloodlet?

>>42364140
GO AWAY YOU LANKY OVERPAYING CUNT

Go ahead and do your sdrol, enjoy the heart attack.

>>42361479
>You really need to see a therapist.
Rich coming from you

>>42364322
With the tren, it's more likely my liver will give out before my heart. My BP is still in normal range.

>>42364333
I'm normal.

>>42364343
>I'm normal.
Said every person in a shrink ever

Planning to start 2nd cycle soon, tren e + test e.
180cm 82kg pretty lean <15%bf, 21 y/o.
I'm not that certain of dosage though.
First cycle I did was 6wk dbol 12wk test e while injecting 2ml test e 2 times a week.
I was thinking about injecting 0.5ml tren e + 1.5ml test e every sunday and monday for the cycle and then do nolva afterwards. Suggestions?

>>42364487
You're on your second cycle and don't even know that saying Xml is absolutely pointless if you don't also mention the mg/ml? Lmao

>>42364652
Diff guy, its typically 250mg/ml for test e and 200mg/ml for tren e

>>42364487
Personally Id do lower test with tren, depends on how you handle the sides I guess.

>>42364713
Maybe better to start with 0.5ml tren and 1ml test first few weeks.

>>42364652
>>42364713
Also, yes 1ml tren = 200mg tren in my case.

>>42352687
do you still do your hairstack?
the pumpkin, biotin and saw palmetto or whatever it was?

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Can I do this shit every day on a cycle? My core is such garbage, so I bought one of these. Got some weights to put on my back for progressive overload.

Also, how often can I directly train my neck? Every 48 hours?

>>42365484
I can vouch for the meme stack, really strenghtened my hair.
It was pretty normal before but volume and density increased a fair amount.

what are some beard gains I can expect? rn my beard is pretty patchy.

>>42365484
Yes, but at a way lower dose. Actually i fuckedup with the thickness and it seems to stay at this thickness even at lowering the dose to 1 pil ed. I give every barber a heart attack when the notice the thickness. I wish it could go back to normal.

I would really recommended it if you suffer from thinning

for hair loss only i would suggest only using keto and lower dose of those pills.

for hair growth i would take all of it

>>42365726
monixdil + masteron and trim it every time

>>42365764
do you take propecia or just pumpkin seed? I'm thinking of getting ru58841 or getting a script for topical fin.

>>42365807
How bad is your case?

No i have never taken it.

I took:

3 x 1000mg pumpkin pills
5 x 450mg saw palmetto pills
1 x a week keto shampoo
1x biotin 10mg ed.

and don't shampoo your hair, just wash it with water. Only shampoo you use once a week is keto shampoo. Leave that shit 5 min in your hair before you wash it out.

I was also trying scalp massage, don't know if that helped.

But if you're really fucked i would just go for the hardcore stuff. I managed to regrow hair with that hair cycle while being on masteron.

>>42365854
with that amount of herbal bullshit you take a day that affects DHT, you might as well get on fin.

my case is bad enough to nuke the shit out my hair follicles, but I actually don't mind looking like a balding freak some days.

>>42365807
Keep in mind that propecia only works when testosterone is being converted into DHT, so any steroid that is not a testosterone derivative will not be affected. If you choose to go down the finasteride road, you'll be stuck using only small portion of steroids available (test derivatives and milder ones). Steroids like tren will still rape your hairline and deca will completely mangle it when in combination with finasteride.

RU58841 doesn't face the same problem as it binds to the hair follicles directly to prevent DHT from binding. How effective it is, that I do not know. Some people claim it can even fend off tren balding.

>>42365898
Yeah, but without the fin side effects. That's the whole point. Most people don't wanna take that shit because of the side effects it brings.

It works for me. Stopped all the hair loss completely while being on masteron even during cruise. I must say that keto shampoo is the most effective one, in terms of hair loss. The others are really effective if terms of overall thickness.

Then just shave it.

>>42365901
That';s why you add keto shampoo. That shit even helps with the masteron hair loss. And you only have to apply it once a week. What a godsend it is

>>42365955
2% nizoral shampoo ed, minoxidil twice daily, 1.25mg finasteride ed, that's what I use, but with only test derivatives (test and dbol atm). It's quite silly how few hairs you lose when you are using a nirozal shampoo. It's like, you lose less hairs than before you started losing your hair. That shit is so potent, no hair in the shower drain at all. I would even go as far as to say that I am regrowing hair whilst on cycle right now.

I guess if I attempt tren a in the future, I can just stop if it actually starts raping my hairline because of the short ester.

>>42365901
best shot you have at local receptor absorption is finasteride without the risk of developing a siamese cancer tumor on your scalp from the chinese chemical brew that ru58841 is or just chemically castrate yourself with spiro and finasteride.

>>42365955
what norwood were you before starting? i'm 1-2 with mostly hairline recession, that shit ain't coming back with nizoral and pumpkin seeds.

>shaving it
i'm going for ripped ben franklin mode

>>42365999
1.25 fin ed? you could take .25 ed and be fine, it's a flat dose. don't the studies of 5-ar depletion in the brain from finasteride use concern you in the long-run? there's been anecdotes from people who have been taking it for years complaining about depression and all sorts of neurological disorders, even MS.

>>42365999
>It's quite silly how few hairs you lose when you are using a nirozal shampoo. It's like, you lose less hairs than before you started losing your hair.
this. I am even losing less hair then before i started roids when i never lost any hair. You know what i am saying

Yes it even regrew hair for me. Both pumpkin and keto studies are backing this up.

I am happy i don't have to take finanstride also because of not be able to donate blood.

>>42366008
i was developing little widow peaks, nothing major. Managed to grow hair on it again.

If you're really fucked i would just go for the hardcore stuff. I would not take it if you are just thinning and losing hair.

>>42366046
The optimal dose has been shown to me 1mg, actually. 1.25mg is simply because that's 1/4, pill cutter and all... Anything over 1mg has very little effect, but up until that point, it's quite potent.

I've had no side-effects from finasteride. I feel great, especially right now on cycle.

>>42366008
>what norwood were you before starting? i'm 1-2 with mostly hairline recession, that shit ain't coming back with nizoral and pumpkin seeds.

Not MasT, but. With finasteride and minox, starting at about a NW 2.25 or so, I've been able to regrow it to about 1.5 or so. Nobody is able to tell that my hairline has recessed.

>>42353442

I guess 'she' uses acetates or orals that are not detectable after a short time.

>>42366082
have you gotten any bloods to show where your DHT is at right now? if you're on exogenous forms of test, it shouldn't really matter how much fin you're taking to notice any sexual sides although there have been some people while on cycle still avoiding fin, but hilariously getting on ru58841 instead. it all goes systemic and you're not even sure how much of it goes systemic with ru v.s. what's been shown with topical fin.

i'm holding out for topical fin since there have been some studies that shows an over 30% improvement on hair regrowth over oral without any of significant systemic changes to your DHT.

>>42366124
https://www.steroid.com/steroid_detection_times.php pretty easy to get away with doping as long as you're not injecting yourself with deca.

>>42366147
>have you gotten any bloods to show where your DHT is at right now?
Haven't done that, no. I don't even have a prescription.

I've been on it for many years, way before I started blasting and cruising. When I started using it, I wasn't on a cycle, and still felt completely fine. I had no sexual sides to speak of. It's probably best used in combination with steroids, though.

>>42366181
you don't need a prescription to get a hormone test to see where your levels are at, but if you're worried about overpaying for generic fin online and if your insurance covers it, then you can expect to pay less than $20 for a script of proscar generic.

either way, going down one norwood in the scale is some p impressive hair gains. you could probably throw in some topical s-equol to finish the job or derma roll.

>>42366251
I know that I don't need a prescription, but what I meant is that my doctor doesn't really know about my finasteride use or anything, so I've never been offered to do any tests of that sort. The use of finasteride is not too widespread in my country.

I'm pretty happy with where my hairline is at right now. I no longer look like an alien as my forehead looks normal sized now.

Got my labs did. I scored to qualify for TRTl(200). I'm seeing an endocrinologist in a few weeks, how drastically can lifestyle and social changes dig me out?

why don't baldlets/people who are balding on gear just wear a wig?

With that roided physique you might as well try to look like a video game/movie character.

Anything beats being a Bradley martin.

>>42366934
But BM is a pretty cool guy. It's a little funny how he wears a hat literally everywhere he goes but he honestly doesnt look that bad with a shaved head

>>42366834
i'm starting soon too, I wish you luck my friend.

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quad injectioen got a little messy....

>>42367583
No shit sherlock. Maybe you can use an even bigger needle next time.

>>42364115
From 3813
I'm just fine with long and slow. Had neck surgery so I didn't lift for 10 months. Anything besides just test and an AI? Any specific one works better?

>>42367583
IS this olive oil idiot

>>42367583
is this the face of low test???

>>42367951
If its who i think it is hes a genuine retard, on par with the arab who posted here, got on gear didnt work out and fucked up PCT

>>42367583
I thought that your mom threw your gear away lol.
Have you started actually doing direct arm work ?

>>42367583
Why are you using a needle that small? lol.

>>42367583
What the fuck am I looking at

>>42368170
I think he's on his period.

>>42364487
What the fuck. How heavy were you on 800mg test per week plus tren and how low was your bodyfat? Do you even lift? I'm 112kg at 13% bf on 300mg test per week and I'm 180cm too.

>>42368219
Gaining weight still takes time, and diet might have been a limiting factor.. though if diet (not eating enough) is a limiting factor then it should bf% should steadily be going down over time...

>>42368056
yah ive been curling a bit. more. i think all this benching and pressing is plenty for my triceps.

>>42368119
its a 1.5 inch 22g with a 3mL barrel...

Is there any empirical real difference between 500 and 600mg test/ week? My supplier gave me 300mg/ml test on accident and it'd be easier to just dose the 600/week.

Alternatively, this is my second test-only blast and i was flirting with thw idea of upping the dosage anyway - what kind of difference between 600 and 750mg/ week?

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remember me?

>>42368402
Lol mothergoose was the worst trip who ever graced this board.

Also, 90% of those guys are gone.
>rip board culture

>>42368402
God the devolution of Isley still gets me. If only he wasn't so autistic.

>>42355566
where do we go if we want to find out where to source from? where is source talk allowed? asking for a buddy...

I asked my guy to ship to me in a way that doesn't require a signature and a delivery man showed up at my door saying I had to sign for a package cause it's in registered mail.

I'm way too paranoid for this shit

The guy has a lot of good reviews on his Reddit thread

What do I do? The package is at the post office

>>42368701
Google "buy steroids (my country)" and follow links. Check out sources on eroids. Check out /r/steroidsourcetalk. Just don't stink up that shit here.

>>42368727
Sign with a bullshit signature.

>>42368727
Just pick it up you dingus

>>42350247
>but I know orals are a meme
no they aren't. where did you hear that from? on here i guess?

mates I cant be bothered to eat real food anymore.

I'm literally just eating sandwich spreads (egg and bacon or tuna and corn or chicken and corn) straight out of the pack and that's it.

200cals 17g protein and minimal carbs per 100g tho. not bad.

>>42368793
>all that garbage processed shit

For what purpose?

>>42366147
What are you holding out for? It's available for like $300 for a small Rx from a Vancouver bc pharmacy. Hasson and wong

You can probably make it yourself with a simple shampoo base

>>42368727
They're not going to set up a police sting for your little cycle.

>>42368817

>processed

its literally just tuna and a bit of mayo and corn nigga. same for the egg n bacon.

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>>42368786
Orals have much less bioavailability than their injectable counterparts, this is common knowledge newfag

>>42368936
Home made then?
Not that Heinz shit I hope?

Does anyone know primobolan detection time for injectable? Need to past drug test for fight, not sure how hardcore they get but a lot of money is on the line. I took primo enth at 600mg/wk for almost four months, stopped three months ago, blood test will be in 4-6 weeks randomly most likely.


Thankfully I never took deca or tren . I'm on test acetate now.

>>42368982

its from Tesco. Chilled food that has an expiration tag of 5 days so it's not really that processed.

>>42369026
It's already out of your system.

>>42353154
Raloxifene mah nigga

>>42368793
thinking of doing the same.. after dropping junk food and alcohol I can't really appreciate real food anymore. almost as if my taste buds are kill. just want 'em macros and fast.

>>42369057
Sounds fresh enough.

Whats wrong with some good chicken tho?

>>42354469
2nding this

Girls are a meme

>>42367583
holy fuck is this true blueshoes? I haven't been here for a few months

>>42369108
Who needs girls anyway, amirite?

>>42368968
Injectable dbol; adrol, sdrol?

Also fuck injectable winny you are insane if you fuck with that.

>>42369156
Read my previous post instead of sperging next time

I mean oral test Vs injectable, oral ment Vs ace/Deca, etc

i've got a 1 inch needle
how do I know that the needle went in deep enough?
what do i do if the needle is too long? hold it in place?

>>42369206
Not him, but when two or more individuals make the same mistake when reading your posts, it's less "sperging out" and more so you're just incomprehensible. Communicate better/more efficiently.

>>42369105

0 taste whenever I make them, fuck that shit. I have to buy those tandoori or chili mango whatever flavors assorted parts that have been marinated for like 5 days in the halal section.

Problem is they are in those 1.5kg plastic trays and they're kinda icky, despite tasting awesome.

>>42369558

Cut raw chickenbreast in small pieces
Add: fresh garlic, red onion or and spring onion, fresh ginger

Spices:black pepper, cayenne pepper (more ginger and garlic if you want)

Sauce: soy sauce and oyster sauce (2:1 ratio)

Add everything together and spread in baking tray.

Put in oven for 20-25 minutes 180 degrees celcius.

Enjoy

>>42369702
Sounds delicious anon

What do you nerds pay for Test/Tren?

Unless this is considered sauce-tock, in which case, disregard.

>>42369923
~1 $ a gram, ~4 $ a gram
But I homebrew

>>42368853
can't get it prescribed here in the U.S.

also, there's no way a shampoo base would be comparable to a liposomal delivery agent.

>>42369923
23$ for test(250mg) and 28.5$ for tren(200mg) both 10ml vials

what do you guys say when your co-workers start to notice your gains? anyone work in an office that has a gym?

>>42369976
I no longer have a proper powder sauce, so I will just say I miss those days.

>>42370019
Okay I thought that the pricing I was offered was a complete fucking sham, but I've never bought from a dealer before. Yep, fuck them. (80/10ml for Test)

Only homebrewed in the past, but lost my chinese friend(s).

>>42370032
Give them genuine workout and nutrition advice. Nutrition is actually hugely important, and, also the hardest to stick with, so they'll think they failed.

>>42370019
I pay $20 for 3 months of test cyp (300mg).

thanks aetna

>>42369976
Is your stuff clean and correctly-measured? If so, would you mind an email so we could talk?

Secure/encrypted preferably, but, frankly, I'll talk about it over fucking gmail at this point.

>>42370168
Or some kinda secure-ish chat application, or, whatthefuckever.

>>42370168
literally look around on reddit for steroid source talk >>42370054

>>42370223
I just don't trust them, by and large, but I guess that's my #1 option as 4chan is now hardline no source talk.

>>42350906
I fukked up a shoulder joint rock climbing over a year ago
Haven't been able to OHP since
Are you telling me this ostarine could fix my joint?

>>42369213
bump

>>42350906
osta + mk677 + bpc157 = heal like wolverine

>>42370483
Not that guy, but, fix? No.

If it works how it's purported to, though, it could make it more comfortable, flexible, and powerful, but the number of joint injuries it'd truly "Fix" would be few & far between.

Moosey stop being a coy faggot in the cbt

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>tfw yoga pant sluts are using MY curl rack AGAIN

How long until the test e kicks in enough for me to start my tren a?

>>42371289
let me have some fun from time to time, infidel

>>42350131
>Reddit
Kys

Oi boyos, do ya pin before gym sesh or after?

>>42371711
>he doesn't have an IM drip constantly feeding him a steady dose of roids 24/7

>>42367842
Aromasin / arimidex both are fine comes down to personal preference and budget. One is suecidal one not better read up on it and decide for yourself
500test is about where some people might not even need ai or not much. I get away with no ai at all, bimbo can also take 1g without ai.
Might wanna try it get bloods but have ai on hand

>>42371770
>Cucksader
How many abbos impregnated your gf ?

>>42371711
why does it even matter.

I mean if ur doing legs, after is prolly smarter but what do i know

>>42371800
According to /fraud/ I am the abbo.

>>42371811
Abbos can be cucked by other abbos, R-right?

>>42371808
Guess it's an additional leg day today then

>>42369923
I got a test/ tren blend for like $90 but Test E $50-60, Tren E is about $70 and Tren A is $60. I live in cuckada so we only got a few sources.

>>42370032
One older black guy who claims that he was 6ft 230 at single digit bf% natty back in the day has been making comments on how im basically growing every day. I just told him that I switched from strength training to pure bodybuilding like 10x10 with 4:1 tempo. I think he knows whats up but wont call me out because I could call him out.

>>42360386
My keion shirt is the best to wear on chest days though. Azusa is right in the middle so I always focus on crushing her head with my pecs when doing cable crossovers and what not.

>>42371834
Abos used to and probably still do eat their own babies. They're capable of plenty of things.

>>42371880
You got to get your protein in some way, mirin dedication

>>42371880
>>42371927
How many cals in a baby? Good Source of protons?

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Im trying to decide if I should move
I could move near a sick ass gym

>>42371866
Post shirt

>>42371945
Cant get any closer to a 100% human amino acid profile than eating tiny humans.
I would totaly try it. And to be honest it would solve africas/indias over population/starving problems. Win win win

>>42372029
Roommates or alone?
Cheaper, biger, closer to work/gym/activities?
Better infrastructure? Nicer area? Balcony, garden, greens, better view, air/sound polution?

A lot to consider but often worth it, also an oportunity to "start over" even just a little

>>42372039
Abbos truly are the master race

>>42370545
check Reddit wiki for injection sites and needle lengths. for me if I do glute I need 1.5inch or everything else 1inch is deep enough. I go in til 1 or 2mm of exposed needle

>>42372029
Come to the canaries, there's a tranny on my street that would love you

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>>42371945

>>42371711
Doesn't matter unless you're using insulin and I don't think that anyone in /fraud/ is using slin right now

>>42372301
1baby feeds me for 3days (addoing some side dishes), seems inefficient if they take 9month to harvest

>>42372301
>4 calories per ounce
that seems low. I know there is water and stuff but still...

>>42372253
How big is her cock
No homo

>>42372091
Yeah theres a lot to consider
Id be leaving my job

>>42371711
I like to not have absences
>>42371880
except being sober and not a leech on a society merciful enough to spare their miserable lives
>>42372301
whatever it takes?

>do the math
>realize that a 3 month cycle is <$250
what the hell why am i not on gear

is there really any reason? Its cheap, the gains are through the roof, and at this point it isn't too scary if you stick to basic shit

>>42373026
Health?

First pin today, almost 0 pip, pretty much only have one question and that is why do they suggest doing 2 pins a week for first cycle and not eod? eod seems so much more stable and better to minimize sides/pip/test flu

>>42373381
Yeah just wait until tomorrow.