who wins in a real fight? how important are muscles in beating

>>42346505
Weight is 90% of the fight algorithm

i doubt phil heath even has a easy time getting out of bed like that.

>>42346527
t. fatass

it goes
>size > technique >muscle

be as trained and muscular as you want, you ain't never going to beat up someone who has a foot and 100+ pounds on you. all they'd have to do is tackle you/fall on you and it's over for you.

>>42346540
lol, you have never watched the original ufc fights.

watch 1-10, big boys get knocked out by little guys left and right

So the guy on the right wins right?

>>42346540
>all they'd have to do is tackle you/fall on you and it's over for you.
Maybe if you're a 60 year old man

>>42346559
yes

>>42346527
>algorithm
How fucking stupid are you

>>42346505
Fyodor would destroy him are you fucking retarded?

Maybe it would be a challenge if it was a featherweight or something, but this is just a dumbass question

>>42346557
>fights with rules
irrelevant.
>>42346560
what are you going to do when a 7'5, 350 pound man tackles you? try to out grapple him? enjoy your dislocated shoulder, snapped elbow, and and repeatedly getting your head smashed into the ground
>inb4 "lol just dodge it"
you aren't that fast nor will that giant have such horrible judgement on where to tackle

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>>42346505
who would win in a fight?
1) a professional fighter
or
2) a bodybuilder
Gee, I wonder?
Who would win in a basketball game, the golden state warriors or the new england patriots?
Gee, I wonder?
>pic related OP and his bf

>>42346604
ufc 1 had no rules, zero, learn to fight


little royce gracie killed everyone

Fedor would fucking crush that potato nigger

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>>42346616
Patiots. GSW can't handle a dominant inside presence like Gronk.

>>42346604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KxeucA0xbY

watch and learn

fedor would kill phil heath in 10 seconds

Pretty sure fedor has beaten a muscular black guy before, hell you can name a desacription and hes beaten one

>>42346505
Considering Fedor would mow down 99,99% of the world's population in a 1 on 1 fight...

>>42346604
>just tackle lel what is that little guy gonna do amirite?
https://youtu.be/JpvrVe9GIAk
Are you sure about that?

>>42346604
>7'5, 350 pound man
I don't frequently encounter men of this magnitude

>>42346587
>>42346635
yeah no
There's a 50lbs weight difference right there. pure muscle too. Phil would grab him arm and rip it straight off. He row's 5pl8, his arms are the size of the other guys legs.
How delusional are you?

>>42346641
did they spraypaint those hulk hands peach? :joy:

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>>42346704
>Phil would grab him arm and rip it straight off.
I'm not sure of which reality you subscribe to but it isn't this one

>>42346734
>jontron
Your posts are deemed irrelevant. It's past your bedtime.

In Japanese Sumo wrestling there is no weight divisions. That's why everyone gets fat as fuck. As you get up the higher eschelon of sumo wrestling you see tiny guys who have experience/technique take on turbo-lardasses and come out on top.

https://youtu.be/tAcx6BLVGWE?t=8m7s

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>>42346779
>dissing jontron
This is where I draw the fucking line

>>42346559
just lol if you believe this

>>42346505
weight is the deciding factor in untrained amateurs (think those "knockout compilations on youtube)
Training/skill is the deciding factor for people who know how to fight.

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>>42346734
Don't presume to discount my opinion.

>>42346704
Youre fucking retarded. Phil probably cant run up a flight of stairs let alone beat one of the greatest fighters in the world

>b-but muh size!
Ever watch old olympic judo matches that werent barred by weight classes?

>>42346634
royce was skinny but he had good reach, he's 6'1. Not aryan master race but not turbomanlet either.

>>42346851
Wrong guy, friendo

>>42346693
Kek

>>42346505
whichever one brought the .357

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>>42346865
>reach
>grappler

>>42346897
When one shoots for a single, or even a double, which would be more beneficial, having a 5'7 wingspan, or a 6'0 wingspan?

Alternatively, who do you think would win in a contest of grappling, Eric Bugenhagen (when he wrestled for Wisconsin) or Jamie Lewis? Both are strength athletes who compete in the 181s, but one is "5'5 on a good day", and one is 6'1.

>inb4 anon doesn't know anything about grappling
I wasn't great, but I came 2nd in states (small state) in the 170s at 6'2, and the reach advantage definitely helped.

>>42346963
another point I forgot to add, past a certain point, muscle will just weigh a fighter down- you will lose wind just carrying the weight around, muscle or fat. Maximizing FFM is not necessarily the best strategy in wrestling like it is in powerlifting.

>>42346963
Not saying reach isn't a distinct advantage, just that it isn't everything -especially among grapplers.

/heem/ here, this thread is hilarious

>>42347009
Elaborate

>>42347050
MMA isn't a real fight. Phil Health is big and athletic, Fedor wouldn't stand a chance. It's hillarious seeing /fit/ babies think sambo can make up for being strong. It's some weird kind of mystic worship or something. MMA fighters are just normal people, ninjas aren't real

>>42347119
>MMA isn't a real fight

Neither is street fighting. There's no such thing as a "real fight". Cage fighting is conditional, and street fighting isn't fair. Don't act like having knowledge of a conditional fight and the experience in it isn't literally more important than body composition.

>>42346604
>only 7'5 350lbs
Lmao I regularly beat 10'12 1000lb men

>>42347155
delusional

>>42346704
Fedor is the best fighter ever stfu, grappling a bodybuilder is easy af too as they have no flexibility

>>42346505
Large muscles doesn't equate to actual, functional strength, especially not when a roid monkey like that most likely has shit flexibility and stamina.

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>>42347300

>>42347119
Fighters know how to fight. It isn't magic because it grants a trained fighter tangible advantages over someone who doesn't fight. Strength is one of several factors that influence your performance in a fight.

>>42347328
Flexibility isn't speed, dumbass.

>>42346823
cmon reddit

>>42347392
same idea. even worse desu

>>42346505
>who wins in a real fight?
Da ruski fat cunt most likely.
>how important are muscles in beating someone up?
Being big and muscular and shit isn't that important when it comes to beating people up. Its important in grappling scenario tho, Fedor could maybe outgrapple this bodybuilder, maybe, but thats just cuz he is fedor, even then his chances are small. So yeah, if the fight goes to the ground, its gg, if it doesn't, well, the bodybuilder dude is gonna be put to sleep likely by a skilled boxer/kickboxer/thai boxer.

>>42346505
yeah, heath would probably die of cardiac arrest after two rounds if he doesnt get KO'd in the first 30 seconds, which is unlikely

>>42346505
Phil.

Pride was 100% rigged. Fedor has gotten his ass beat repeatedly by complete cans in the UFC and just got beat down by Matt Mitrione in Bellator. All those fighters that said Pride was shady weren't lying.

>>42347419
so ruski wins on the feet but black guy wins on the ground?

makes sense to me, I guess it's settled

>>42347119
choke to death faggot

/heem/ here
Fedor would lose. Even Prime 04-06 Fedor. End of story

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>>42346651
This last figth in this video shows how delusional /fit/ is. According to /fit/ Bob Sapp should literally be able to bearhug this guy into submission during the clinch. After all Sapps arms are the size of this guys thighs right? Sapp has over 200 lbs of size on him. Sapp isn't able to do jack shit because he has no mobility, no balance, no stamina, and his punches are easy to block, roll, and slip because he's carrying way too much muscle on his frame to have any sort of velocity or proper technique.

An actual athletic person makes the roided idiot look like exactly what he is. A drunken oaf with no athletic prowess. /fit/ can;t handle the fact that somebody 50 lbs smaller than them can train something other than their muscle and literally be able to beat the shit out of them. They hide behind their monitors and yell "RULES!" in the face oof hundreds of video's of smaller fighters beating the bigger guy and act like being able to poke out eyeballs or kick in the nuts is somehow going to benefit the larger guy in these fights.

Is it Prime Fedor?

>>42347562
if you actually watched all sapp fights you would see the he actually beat a lot of good fighters (including a black k-1 champion i forgot his name, more than once) simply because he1s huge and would gas out on someone.

>>42347590
Yeah, Sapp himself is a trained fighter. You aren't making a point here.

>>42347419
I think fedor would probably stand a good chance on the ground on the basis that the bodybuilder just doesn't know what to do.

>>42347562
Fitness is lifting you dumbass. For men atleast. The /fit/ guy wins fights 99% of the time

>>42347598
the point i was trying to make is that size is a very important factor on a fight, you can clearly
see how Sapp has very bad technique and can barely throw a punch with proper form and yet because of how big he is he gets away with it.

My father was a black belt in karate and judo and he would tell me stories about the fights he's been into and he said most muscular guys he fought were slow but they hit pretty hard.

>>42347562
I'm 6'4 and 220lbs

I lift well over 1/2/3/4 plate and have been boxing/doing MA my entire life

Now what, faggot?

>>42347633
Lifting is lifting, fitness is having speed, endurance, stamina, flexibility, explosiveness and a heap of stuff you don't get from lifting weights.

Being good at lifting weights means you're good at lifting weights, it doesn't give you the ability to run a marathon, support your entire body weight in a handstand or do intricate yoga poses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3lIJUZsgNI

>>42347707
This guy would kill prime fedor too
Size + strength >>>> skill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJuQP0hO6s4

>>42347717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-XYS7wYz2I

Try again fagoot

I don't know why /fit/ keeps ignoring that fighters lift too

>>42347449
>so ruski wins on the feet but black guy wins on the ground?
Yeah, basically. On the feet your speed and technique and how big your gas tank is are the most important qualities you can have, thats why thai boxers are usually not that big, but they are shredded af and have gas tanks bigger than the Moon.
>>42347622
Yeah, but if bodybuiler has even basic skills, he is gonna fuck you up on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O14yjsulv7w
Here you can see it well. The smaller guy can fight and keep up with the bigger dude on the feet(jujimufu has quite a lot of ma experience tho and is pretty fucking mobile and flexible and he is taller than the little guy), but on ground shane gets fucking rekt.

>>42347119
>big and athletic
Won't do shit if he gets decked and collapses on the floor.

>>42347754
Okay, hit me up when you finish the Boston marathon or do a gymnast floor routine after only lifting weights and not doing any other training

>>42346651
A lot of those are either massive skill mismatches or lucky shots.

>>42347779
Got it, I think Phil overall edges. Especially cause he'll beat fedor at his own game (sambo) cause of that 20lbs of muscle
Thanks for your help. I think that's a wrap
You're very wise

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>>42346704
>theres a 50lbs difference
>fedor would lose

>>42347945
There was a huge skill difference in that fight
Besides, Phil is all muscle, shorter than fedora therefore low center of gravity and hard to take down, it's not like Fedor even wrestled with someone the size of Phil in his years of Sambo.

Phil benches like 4-500 so one punch will stagger Fedor even if it's blocked. Fedor can't take him down, he can't strike with him. Fedor loses

>>42347996
>more muscle > Larger frame and bone density

yeah, no.

>>42346505
nice b8 gratz op

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>>42346704
>There's a 50lbs weight difference

There was 100+ here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGuokguNrLI

>>42347996
>one punch will stagger Fedor even if its blocked
Wanna know what will happen when Fedor jabs Phil's unhardened face?
He is taller and probably has a bigger reach than Phil.
To be fair, timing would play a great role here, since both of them are monsters and if somebody watched couple of Fedor fights he knows that timing is hella advantage for Fedor

>>42347996
This is either b8 or you're literally talking completely out of your ass. It sounds like your knowledge of fighting is based on anime. Phil is so jacked up on gear that he'd literally gas in 30 seconds. Fedor would MAUL him.

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>>42346505
A much better question would be "Who wins in a fight, Phil Heath or Demetrious Johnson?" And the answer is definitely Mighty Mouse.

Honestly, there are women in the UFC who would kill Heath or any other bodybuilder. Decent bait though, 7/10. Got me to respond.

>>42347919
>Got it, I think Phil overall edges. Especially cause he'll beat fedor at his own game (sambo) cause of that 20lbs of muscle
Fedor knows striking pretty well and is smart enough to not bother grappling against dudes that big.
>Thanks for your help. I think that's a wrap
Glad that i was helpful
>You're very wise
Well, it comes with experience. Russia is still a pretty fucking rough country. Well, all CIS countries are, post soviet countries are all pretty shit places to live in for the most part. Also, don't get into street fights, seriously, don't.
>>42347996
>Phil benches like 4-500 so one punch will stagger Fedor even if it's blocked.
>bench
>punches
Stop. You don't know what you are talking about. Get out.

>>42346505
Which one brought a gun?

I don't care how buff you are, /k/ommandos win every fight hands down.

Fedor could just do a brisk job in a circle around him and wait for him to be out of breath after a minute

>>42347996

I know this is probably bait but fuck you anyway. Even Fedor now out of his prime would mop the floor with him, Fedor in his prime would absolutely kill him.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16ed93

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>People on a fitness board unironically think bigger muscles = more strength

>>42346604

it's called jiu jitsu. the martial art is literally designed for smaller people to use the weight of larger people against them

>>42347996

>there was a huge skill difference in that fight

yeah because a body builder against arguably the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time wouldnt have a huge skill difference you fucking retard

>>42346604
Yes I am going to try to grapple him, and unless he knows how to grapple, he is going to lose. I literally know how to fall better than him.

>>42348192
Its not equal, but it is correlated buddy.

You do not get that that size without being significantly stronger than a MMA fighter.

>>42346704
Gee. Literally the best pound for pound fighter in the world, or someone who trains to look good. Not sure about that one bud.

>>42347996
>There was a huge skill difference in that fight

Oh boy, and there's less of a skill difference here?

>>42348228
Have you watched any Olympic weightlifting event? People who look like DYELs could lift Phil over their head

> all these retards linking Pride and random shit Jap orgs

Literally everyone except Fedor has come out and said these fights were fixed. Shogun, Rampage, Wandy, Randleman and Sonnen have all said Pride was rigged.

What happened to your precious Fedor when he came over the UFC? He got destroyed by cans and demoted to a shit tier organization. He just got demolished by Matt Mitrione for fucks sake. He's a cheating bum and Phil would destroy him.

>>42346557
>>42346560
>be floyd mayweather
>one of the best natural fighters in the world
>5'8" 151 lbs
>hires 7'1"" 300 lb bodyguards

Gee I wonder why

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>>42348338
>>42346560
>>42346557
Forgot pic

>>42348338
Maybe it's because he doesn't want to get hurt fighting random people. It's not like he's invincible or anything. If he got in a fight with some random guy, he'll win, but he could still get hurt.

>>42348356
My point is that if he fought any one of his bodyguards he would lose

>>42348338

because a group of 5 can beat 1 person no matter how skilled the 1 person is

>>42348356
>>42348381
Pretty sure any normal sized man would body him in a real fight. Boxing, and especially what Mayweather does, can hardly be considered fighting.

>>42348374
That's because his bodyguards, I'm assuming, are actually trained in fighting. I'm not going to take away from Mayweather's accomplishments, but he's not a fighter. He's a boxer. When Connor came out and said "If this were a real fight, you'd be dead," They both knew that was the fact.

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>>42348352
they look like these.

>>42348393
I wouldn't go that far. If they were trained, then maybe, but just some asshole off the street wouldn't be able to fight even a low level boxer.

>>42348400
The point is the same, I'm answering OPs original question. Even McGregor would get his ass kicked by any guy of this size, even without fighting training

>>42348435
And that's where I disagree. I think that if these guys were untrained, Connor would be able to win a majority. I'd give him 8-2 out of 10.

>>42348420
I think most relatively fit guys that are over 6'0" and 185lbs could take him. Most real fights go to the ground where a non-manlet is just going to be able to over power him. Floyd only weights 150lbs and was never known for knockout power.

a guy with the size of phil cant even breath normally

>>42348465
Yeah, but if we're talking untrained here, Mayweather can just keep his distance. If the guy's only takedown is a shitty tackle, I think Mayweather would be able to avoid that at least. And since he's a defensive boxer anyways, he's still getting hits in.

>>42346505
Fedor would absolutely rip him apart and put his head on a pike - the guy is superhuman

he would do so to a strongman, who is much stronger than a bodybuilder

>>42346540

In real world fights, 99% of the time the winner is going to be the guy who threw the first punch.

Also, I don't know what planet you live on, but tackling someone bigger than you is the best strategy a little guy can use against a big guy. When you're both standing up the big guy can use length and reach to get you. When you're both on the ground then reach doesn't matter for shit.

T. Manlet who got into tons of schoolyard fights and won because I knew to get the other guy on the ground rather than trade punches like I'm a boxer.

>>42348266
Randleman dropping Fedor on his head looked pretty fucking real. And Randleman still lost.

>>42348469
This, Phil has probably not done a day of cardio in his life

>>42348511
>And Randleman still lost.

Well yeah. The fight was fixed.

>>42348228
The size isn't a linear progression in power. Anyone who follows combat sports more than just the top 5 or so most popular fighters knows how retarded /fit/ is when it comes to this topic.

>>42348666
Mayweather could fit in the bag I carry my laptop around in. I can practically curl him.

>>42348338
>>42348352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z1b1vtQb08

Pretty sure they're there to be big and push people away from mayweather, not necessarily fight.

>one of the best MMA fighters in the record books
>vs an untrained gearhead with less reach, less flexibility, and no technique

If gear made you good at MMA, more fighters would be hulked out. It doesn't. Endless hours of drilling and studying your opponents is what makes you good at MMA.

In fact, ALL of Fedors losses were a result of opponents studying his tapes and zeroing in one one or two weak spots in his forms, and then drilling for hours to instantly, reactively counter those weakspots.

That arm bar he lost to, the dude said he trained that exact armbar move in reaction to that exact pattern from Fedor hundreds of times so that it happened automatically when his body felt his opponent moving in that way.

He then had to untrain that movement because then his opponents could exploit that to bait him into an instinct reaction they could punish.

MMA at high levels is infinitely more cerebral than bodybuilding.

>>42348266
Fedor literally died in the UFC. Remember when Brock Lensar mailed him?
Muscle > Skill

>>42346505
F=ma

Unfair

Fedor is THE all-time best

>>42346616

This

No matter how muscular you are you will always have eyes, balls, and a neck, and there is no muscle that protects your skull, temple, jaw, etc. etc.

If the most muscular fighter always won then the Romans would have been feeding their soldiers like we feed McDonald's cattle and they would have spent all their time in the gym lifting rocks instead of on the parade ground learning how to fight.

>>42349417
Fucking what? He never fought brock

>>42349365
Gear definitely does make you better at MMA you fucking moron.

Just look at Vitor Belfort for the most blatant example. Or Brock Lesnar, or literally any fighter ever before (and probably after) USADA.

Not saying a bodybuilder would stand a chance against an MMA fighter, but a geared up MMA fighter is and was a terrifying thing

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Who wins, Phil Heath or pic related?

Comparisons like this are fucking retarded. Fedor wins the match because he actually knows the rules and techniques, Phil wins the powerlifting competition because he has the strength, whoever has more friends wins the street punchup, whoever has the gun wins the hunger games, and Donald Trump leverages the force of the state to have Heath declared a terrorist and blows his ass up with a drone strike without even getting out of bed.

The point is that you are doing the Chad equivalent of asking whether Master Chief can beat a Space Marine and you look no less retarded doing it.

Kill yourselves.

>>42349365
Fuck off. Werdum was just a random person from the the street. Bet he browsed /fit/ too. Any 6ft 200lbs guy who squats 4pl8 would beat Fedor, the best heavyweight mixed martial artist of his generation, at his spor. Especially on the ground where Fedor won multiple golds in openweight Sambo.
Phil Heath would be better at MMA just as he'd make a better rugby player than Richie Mccaw

>>42349589
P.S. master chief cannot beat a space marine.

>>42349603
>>42349589
>>42349564

MMA isn't a real sport and Phil Heath would beat Jon Jones

>>42349603
What about a 6'9" guy who weighs 260 lbs and Deadlifts 250 KG?

Could he beat Fedor?

>>42349621
Yes easy. Fedor only had matches with 5'ft 150lbs women

>>42348170
>this
i've fought for years.
Weapons win every time.
If you get into a fight and rely simply on your own hands and feet to keep you alive, you're stupid.
People here are dumb.
Any smart man would only fight in self defence, and always keep some type of self protection tool on them.
It's simply irresponsible to not have a means of self-protection on yourself whenever you're in a situation that you can't 100% control , AKA leaving your house.

>>42349650
Being theoretically able to win a fistfight that never happens is a point of pride for men.

For some fucking reason.

>>42349647
Boxing > MMA

/fit/ confirmed

>>42346505
whoever have more luck will win. fight without rules is 50% luck.
if phil is able to grab fedor and squeeze the last bit of air out of his lung he wins easily.
if fedor can hit phil straight to the head he wins easily.

>>42349657
Thank you. I've mentioned this countless times and people act like I'm some type of sperg for saying that fist fights rarely happen in real life situations.
Most combat scenarios between strangers/people in public include some type of weapon/s, or a discrepancy in numbers between the people fighting.
I'll never understand why people make these posts.
Take it from me. I've trained mutliple martial arts for years. I used to be a semi-pro kickboxer until I started focusing on school & preventing brain trauma.
I can say with confidence that every time I've witnessed a fight that WASN'T in a controlled scenario, weapons were pulled, and people ganged up on somebody.
Being big and strong, or knowing a martial art will NOT protect you from a knife, sword, bat, gun, or group of 7 angry fuckers who want to kill you.
The best way to win a fight is to either not get into one, have a weapon, or run very fast.
These posts make absolutely no sense to me.

Theoretically speaking though, Fedor would demolish any bodybuilder. Unless there's a massive difference in weight, muscle, and strength, the skilled fighter WILL win in a proper fight.

The only time being massive would win, is if somebody small like Manny Pacquiao tried to fight somebody like Thor Bjornsson without using any weapons.

>>42346505
dude fedor would destroy phil, i cant believe this is even a legit question.
you're talking about someone who's been fighting as a career for almost 15 years versus someone who weight lifts for a career.
You can be strong and shit, but speed and technique always wins.
Even if phil did get a lucky shot off, fedor is practically made of fuckin steel, theres no way an amatuer punch would put him down

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>>42349535
>No matter how muscular you are you will always have balls

>>42349715
Combat sports are just that, sports. No one really thinks Chocolatito would beat many people in a street fight and no one cares. He's a boxer and a sportsman.

Same with MMA. Whoever has a weapon or more friends wins.

It's also ridiculous people think that someone untrained can do better than a pro in their sport. Like motherfucker Fedor chocked out a 280lbs, 6ft 8 Tim Sylvia, who was UFC champ and has spent his life doing the sport full time. You think a 5'ft 9, 250lbs bodybuilder is gonna trouble Fedor on the ground? Fuck no. Someone who's never taken a punch?

Comparing Phil to McGregor or someone is useless cause MMA is a sport whose rules include weight classes. A real fight would end with an assault charge
It's ridiculous

>>42349765
>A real fight would end with an assault charge
No, it would end with a conviction for assault causing grievous bodily harm, and a custodial sentence.

Whoever ends up with the jail sentence is the loser.

Thus the key to winning fights is to have a good lawyer.

You can reach me at Damocles Legal Services, in Phoenix.

Not only would fyodor win, I'm confident I would win again Heath and I'm only 190 6'3. Have you seen phil Heath trying to do cardio? Or move fast in any shape or form? That nigga would not be able to throw a single punch effectively, he would have Zero (0) footwork, not be able to dodge or even move around a ring/cage. He can barely walk without panting and sweating . It would literally be easy to beat him for any athletic male, let alone a pro fighter. Having muscled doesn't mean you can suddenly take more punches to the head than anyone else. And you know he ain't blocking or dodging shit

>>42349291
Pretty sure u r retarded

Fedor is probably one of the best fighters of all time. He had an insane 29 fight win streak that lasted like 8 or 9 years, and he fought in the heavy weight division so he regularly fought people heavier than himself. Phil Heath wouldn't have the speed, dexterity or flexibility to keep up. I would honestly be surprised if the fight lasted longer than a minute. Just look at the way he comes back from this suplex. Phil would have no chance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtnFhMlbuXE

>>42349897
That fight was incredible to watch.
Just goes to show how the relaxed fighter has a much higher chance of winning. (In combat sports, of course)

>>42347562
/fit/ have brainwashed themselves with manlet memes into thinking that anyone below 6' cannot possibly succeed at anything. If you disprove that and they must face the fact that just being born tall isn't an achievement they devolve into autistic screeching.

I'd urge everyone to take a few boxing/kickboxing/bjj classes at least once in their life.

It's amazing how unrealistic your opinion of fighting is when you've never actually 'trained' how to do it.
One session at a good gym is all it will take to convince you that you know absolutely fuck all about it and totally shatter your delusions about being able to just 'do it' without any prior experience because of your muscle mass.

It's like someone watching a virtuoso pianist and then going 'fucking easy mate, I can move my fingers just as fast, I bet I could play that better than him right off the at'.
These dudes spend thousands of hours developing techniques that have evolved over thousands of years to give them the edge in a fight.
Size and strength absolutely matter. But someone who is totally untrained and inexperienced, almost no matter their size, is in for a massive shock if they get into a fight with a seasoned fighter.

I mean you don't even know how it feels to get punched in the face. If you're not used to it, don't know how to absorb it, don't know how to move to avoid it, it's going to completely stun you.
If you've never even been in a proper scrap you've got no idea just how disorienting it feels and no idea the advantage that years of training and experience will give you against someone who has never been popped squarely across the jaw.

>>42346704
>the absolute state of you

hahahahaha

>>42347996
>bench press= punching power

HAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHA

>>42346604
>what are you going to do when a 7'5 350 pound man tackles you?

He doesn't. Why would I let him tackle me in the first place.

>>42346505
Muscle matters a lot if theyre on the same level in fighting.

But it doesnt matter how much muscle mass you have if you meet an experience fighter. Pluss, big BBers suck at fighting. Theyre too big, too stiff, and that muscle mass requires too much oxygen. Theyre going to gass out in no time.

>>42346527
Hi joe

>>42346505
muscles are important, body fat is not unless you go into having more fat than muscles on you

>>42349417
Fedor never went to the ufc.

>>42348192
Strength =/= better punches.

>>42350508
Thats true, but strength does equal harder punches. Bodymass is also important.
But big bodybuilders suck at punching as theyre too big and too stiff. They cant move properly.

>>42350508
You find alot of hypertrophy work causes people to stiffen up.
You punch through your hips uno.

>>42346505
The people who are on stage on any bodybuilding show are in the worst condition they've ever possibly been. At least a small amount of fat is a necessity to function, but the bodybuilders go down to such a small amount that they feel like death constantly.

That, and including the dehydration they go to. If we're talking about contest weight bodybuilders vs contest weight Fedor, Fedor will win.

If the bodybuilders don't have to be at 5% body fat and dehydrated as fuck, bodybuilder will win.

>>42350596
phil heath is 5'9", 250lbs
fedor emelianenko is 5'11.5" 235lbs

phil is maybe 20-30lbs heavier but has less reach, ZERO combat experience, and would be fighting the greatest fighter in modern history

phil would be obliterated in the first round

>>42350519
>Thats true, but strength does equal harder punches.
Having the hardest possible punches is even that important, you don't land KOs with power shots. A lot of times a guy can take many hard shots to the face and yet drop from a small punch that landed clean into his chin without him seeing it. If you see a punch and expect to take it, your body will automatically brace for it, tense up your neck, try to clip the punch with your hand so reduce the power, try to make your head move in a way that will make the punch hit not as hard. But when you don't see a punch, well, you get KO'd. Getting knockouts is about being quick and setting up your knockout punches/kicks/knees so your opponent can't defend from them. Being really fucking big and strong isn't that important.
"Punch where your opponent can't see" - Mike Tyson
>>42350527
>You find alot of hypertrophy work causes people to stiffen up.
Its more like lack of mobility work. You can still be very mobile even if you are big.
>>42350596
>bodybuilder will win.
Only if he gets you on the ground. Being a buff dude doesn't matter when the fight is still on the feet. And if we are talking about a skilled fighter vs bodybuilder, the fight will likely end without ever going to the ground. Thats all assuming that bodybuilder guy has some basic experience in combat, he likely has zero, in which case he has zero fucking chances
>>42350682
Phil isn't a fat cunt unlike fedor, take that into account. Not that it matters anyway, fedor will win

>>42348192
>>People on a fitness board unironically think bigger muscles = more strength
>people on a fitness board thinks a mma fighter is stronger than a 6x mr olympia that is 40lbs heavier than him while being lot leaner
even though Heath wouldn't win, if he trained mma for couple months i'd say he could win this shit, specially if he let go and got some extra bf

who would win, bryan shaw or fedor?

>>42350682
Phil Heath is 250 contest weight. If he's allowed to be in his off season weight, where he's the most powerful, that would be 280. And Fedor's contest weight would be 223 at about 16-20% body fat

Phil Heath has more muscle than Fedor has bodyweight. It's a nobrainer that Heath would win. 60 lbs heavier is 60 lbs heavier.

>>42346704
>>42346704
THIS IS BAIT LADS NO MAN IS THIS RETARDED

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>>42347996
I tip my fedora to you sir you are a gentleman and a scholar

>>42348393
5'8 is normal sized...

...anywhere but /fit/

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>>42350076
This desu

>>42350715
Grab a 70kg olympic weightlifter and see how hard he punches. You'll find it's not really that hard. Compare that to a 70kg boxing journeyman, and find that he hit magnitudes harder.

Lifting weights translates almost zero to punching power. Mike Tyson never really did any lifting as a pro. It's a different motion.

Also 60lbs for a heavyweight that's one of the all time best grapplers who's used to fighting bigger opponents means shit all. Fedor choked out a 280lbs UFC champ who's been training his whole career. He's won 4 golds at Worlds openweight Sambo. Gimme a break, a 5'8 manlet with zero fighting experience will have zero chance with him on the ground. Phil Heath could train for a decade and still not be competitive with Fedor. Fedor was gifted on the mat

>>42350907
>Grab a 70kg olympic weightlifter and see how hard he punches. You'll find it's not really that hard. Compare that to a 70kg boxing journeyman, and find that he hit magnitudes harder.
Yes, but it doesn't mean that the strength from certain weightlifting movements can't translate into your punches.
>Lifting weights translates almost zero to punching power.
Not really. It does translate. Its not a good way to train yourself for punching, because, you know, doing punches will make you better at punching that anything else. Thats why strength work is an accessory for the most part.
>Fedor was gifted on the mat
Gotta agree, fedor is a god. But thats mostly the result of how much of a god he is personally, practically nobody else can outgrapple bigger dudes than themselves, who have grappling experience, and choke them out, even if they are really really good. Him being able to overcome size disadvantage where it matters the most is incredible.
>Also 60lbs for a heavyweight that's one of the all time best grapplers who's used to fighting bigger opponents means shit all.
Not really, no. In grappling weight is really fucking important. Fedor can do what he can do, because he is fedor, not because grappling bigger opponent isn't suicide for anyone but fedor

>>42350907
get fedor punches and get a 250lbs mass monster punch, rich piana bich slapped a retarded and he left with a black eye, imagine a serious punch of an angry 250lbs of pure manlet muscle, i'm not saying he would stand a chance of winning, but he definitely can punch harder than fedor

>>42346604
Most of the people who are gonna answer you are irrelevant since you have to have a very high lvl of skill in the combat sport you're training to compensate weight and height difference. And by high lvl I mean compete internationally for several years.

Go up to a boxing bag and punch it as hard and fast as you can and see how many punches you'll last. Then tell me wether you'd like stronger punches or a couple more punches.

>strenght doesn't matter bois
>pfft size , who needs size..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig

>>42351006
Fedor one punch KO'd 10-0 280lbs Bret Rodgers and you're even comparing him to a synthol freak giving a 5'6 180lbs retard a black eye?

>>42351192
Strength and size obviously matters.
Anyone who thinks someone like Fedor would even struggle against someone like Phil Heath is delusional. Fedor ate MMA champs who were bigger than Phil Heath for breakfast

>>42351061
>several years of international level experience to compensate weight and height
I'm some random middleweight grappler, and the submission tally between me and the three heavyweights I train with (all above 110kg/235lbs) is one bazillion - zero.

>>42351317
Fedor ate MMA champs for breakfast?

>>42351000
>strength from certain weightlifting movements can't translate into your punches
No, cause I've felt the power of people who lift and start training. They don't punch particularly hard compared to other rookies.

In the end punching power is something you have or you don't. You can train to better express it, weightlifting doesn't really help. Punching power comes from explosive rotation, dropping your weight etc. Benching or squatting whatever the fuck makes pretty much zero difference. Size makes a much bigger difference. That's why fat fucks like Roy Nelson or James Tony still have great punching power while someone who's strong as fuck, and power lifts like Jon Jones doesn't.

>>42346505


there is literally zero possibility phil heath wins LMAO. just go watch Pudz first MMA fight... Pudz has even BETTER cardio and endurance than heath, and he gassed in the first minute. heath would gas out in literally 30 seconds and fedor would devour him from butthole up.

>>42351000

Bruh sorry but you're delusional. THE WORLDS STRONGEST MAN switched to MMA and got beat the fuck out by washed fighters like sylvia and james thompson. You can't just "transfer" your strength to fighting. It takes years of technique to develop punching power... let alone punching accuracy. Let alone punching endurance.

>>42350755

lmao go to your local mma gym and find a vet who is 60lbs lighter than you and fight him. come back and tell us how you finally shattered your delusion

>>42351438
m8 60 lbs lighter is 120lbs.

A 120 lb "man" does not have the strength to topple a 180lb powerlifter.

Seriously. I could literally overhead press him and toss him out of the ring.

>>42351291
not comparing fedor to rich piana, i'm saying that a slap give a guy a black eye, a punch from a guy that is as big as him but without synthol and also leaner is gonna hit hard as fuck

>>42351317
>Fedor ate MMA champs who were bigger than Phil Heath for breakfast
>mma champs bigger than a 6x mr olympia muscle freak
i guess the mma champs chose the wrong career right?

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>>42346505

>*blocks your path*

>>42346557
Yeah but their big bois are not what im thinking about.
Im talking about sumo-guy big
Try tackling a dude like that, especially when hes so tall you cant reach his head for an easy knockout

>>42346505
Fedor obviously, there's no contest.
Fedor, Crocop, Nogueira and the like regularly beat people with weight advantage the highest I remember is almost 100 lbs and almost 1 foot in Crocop vs Choi and 116lbs in Crocop vs Sapp.
Weight ain't shit when you haven't got technique, experience, endurance, coordination and footwork.

>>42346505
Fighting is mostly technique, but muscles do help. This is an obvious conclusion that anyone that isnt stupid should realize: stronger people are stronger.

>>42351468
muscle mass doesn't translate perfectly to punches believe it or not. You can be jacked and not have power, or be fat and blessed with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIOsu6YdebM

>>42351459
An experienced featherweight will have you sucking his dick in the first round. Just remember to say no homo to keep what little is left of your dignity intact.

>>42351599
fat people are stronger than slim people you know right? imagine a 180lbs guy 5%bf now imagine the same guy with 15%bf how much bigger wouldn't he look, and no, muscle mass do translate into punch strength, its not the only variable, but i bet what ever you want that a strong guy will punch harder than a normie, both with the same training experience, no matter what the situation is, the stronger you are the stronger your punches can be

Why are you guys arguing as if you actually leave the house to even have a chance to be in a fight

>>42352182
strong =/ punch hard. It's two totally different things
Punching hard is an explosive movement. Like a vertical jump. Or a sprint. It's accelerating your own body mass which doesn't need that much strength. Beyond a certain level (which isn't anyway near roid monkey level) it just won't get better by improving strength

A strong guy is big which is why you think he punches harder than a normie. A fat normie doesn't punch hard cause he's un-athletic and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Someone like Jon Jones can be strong as fuck and pull a 6pl8 deadlift but doesn't hit nearly as hard as people who never touch weights and aren't as strong

Punching power is basically an innate variable of itself because it's so complex.

>>42346505
>who wins in a real fight?
The guy with the stick.

>>42347707
I bet I could take you down

>>42347779
What the hell is Fazen's experience/rank with grappling? I always thought he was just a striker with a bit of grappling defense

>>42352935
Mostly striker, but I believe he said that he's not very good at grappling. Either way, I don't think Shane is a very good fighter either. Seems pretty average and there are other channels that are better for martial arts. The channel just comes off as sort of "pop fighting" for beginners or normies.
Put Royce Gracie in there with Jujimufu and it's a completely different story.

>>42346505

Generally speaking the more skilled fighter, barring dumb luck. Strength/size is not to be altogether disregarded, and professional fighters do some sort of physical/strength training.

I watch a shitload of street fights and those fags mostly hate bodybuilders. Usually the same cunts who are armchair martial arts experts or autistically threatening to fight people on the internet.

"S-sure he's bigger but s-sensei said..."
"He m-must be overc-c-compensating..."
"His m-m-muscle ARE big but are they aren't s-strong."
"G-girls don't even like that."

Basically a bucket of crabs fighting over sour grapes. Usually twig bois or fat fucks. Even I think some aspects of bodybuilding can be JUST A TAD gay, but those people are truly timid cucks.

"I mean sure he's better looking and stronger than me personally, but can he *insert unrelated skill*"

>>42353074
Yeah I think any decent blue belt tools the both of them. Shane has had success in Muay Thai and landed some decent shots in the striking session, but he's definitely lacking on the ground.

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>>42351192
>people actually think this was an actual fight and they weren't just fucking around

McGregor wasn't even aiming for his head. Stop being retarded.

>>42351438
I've seen the manlet vets at my local gym get destroyed tons of times. Most MMA fighters are nowhere near a professional level. In reality, they're barely above a random untrained idiot their own size and will get trashed by anyone heavier than them.

>>42346540

Cool, what about timing, accuracy, conditioning, fight IQ, ability to mix disciplines?

I'm starting to think you don't know what you're talking about...

>>42347300

Honestly this is legit. I love it when big bodybuilders come and train. People have no idea how difficult fighitng is until they come up against someone who practices fighting. Big shoulders are all the better for choking people out...

>>42347419

No, not maybe. 100%.

It's not even a punchers chance. Literally anyone above a white belt in bjj or a wrestler over a year or so understands how to make frame negate strength. I mean, this is something that gets said at least a dozen times of each of the 4/5 sessions I do per week. It's an absolute fundamental of grappling. The guy with the most technical skill beats the guy with the physicla advantage everytime. If it's equal skill, the guy with the physical advantage wins.

>>42346505
usually size is very important, but not when the skill gap is so huge, right guy is not going to land a single hit.

Real talk, as a fighter I honestly hate all this disdainful and condescending perspective on bodybuilders. Alright, sure fine you can kick Chad's ass now. But who the fuck cares? These who would win in a fight threads are pointless too.
Let people enjoy what they want. Fuck off with the tough guy act. Bodybuilding is an admirable pursuit.
Honestly, I think the """fighters""" spewing all this bullshit are just MMA McCasuals who probably have never heard of Pride. I train in Muay Thai and no one in my team puts on a tough guy act because they're all humbled and disciplined. I'm willing to bet those people are the kind that sign up for UFC Gyms and call MMA UFC.

>>42347996

> One punch.

yeah it's not just lowering your head and windmilling though is it, this is the GOAT at fighting. You have no idea how difficult it is to time a shot. A good fighter will time it against yours and absolutely dead you as you throw.

>>42353225

No you haven't. This is a complete lack of understanding of what fighting is.

>>42353330
> t. weekend warrior

>>42353304
This. But MMA is a sport
Actual fighting is for dumb-asses or extraordinarily rare situations where diffusing the situation doesn't work

Also I hate the fact that this board treats lifting as the all and end all of fitness, when it's only a small part of it

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>>42346527
>>42346540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_TkJcMZm6s

>>42346505
/thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4VB0By7TA

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>>42353471
>that UN flag

>>42346540

let me guess, you visit puahate and also believe FACE FRAME HEIGHT meme

>>42351061

that's only for equally trained people

to tackle a beginner you don't need all that

what you gonna do? use your squat and deadlifting power ? top kek

>>42347881
>lucky shots.

you haven't fight a day on your life if you call those a lucky shot

>mfw this retard probably thinks he would get some "lucky shots" on a trained combat athlete

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>>42348393
McGregor is that you?

>retards ITT unironically thinking the greatest heavyweight mma fighter of all time would get beat by some slow as shit zero-endurance no-technique musclehead
fucking kek
fedor would literally put heath or any bodybuilder/powerlifter in existence into a coma with one right cross you massive idiots

How big would a semi athletic giant need to be to beat a UFC heavyweight or boxer?

8'6, 500 lbs?

I think by 10 feet it's basically like beating up a child regardless of how good they are versus non giants.

9 foot 8 troll manlet here. Just got WiFi in my cave. Currently 700lbs but kind of fat. I'm sure I could beat Tyson in his prime.

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>>42353471
>>42353667
>tfw UFC ruined these interesting fights with strong height/weight

Fuck, it's so satisfying watching a lanklet/fatass get btfo.

>>42356103
>strong height/weight differences

fix'd

>>42347786

You don't even need training to do a marathon, you only need to numb your mind.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072156/Burning-man-Adventurer-loses-14lbs-completes-marathon-40C-Nambia-touching-drop-water.html

>>42346505
Is this supposed to be the retarded bodybuilder version of that one thread where some guy larps as an MMA fighter?

>>42356586
what did u fuckin say bro?
i trained mma for 2 years bro ill kimura ur shoulders right out their socket you hear me u lil bitch?
ill fukkin knock u out
yea thats right bro say nothing bro you dont wanna get double legged and ground n pounded by an alpha male like me
fukkin bitch

>>42346540
Wrong. Cancer cells are way smaller than you but can out technique you if they want.

technique > size/muscle

>>42356091
Manny Yarborough didn't exactly do well, except for that one guy he smothered

>>42356747
Could've been a great pasta....
>wastedopportunity...

>>42348352
>bodyguards
>some fat blokes with hoodies
americans are just embarasing themselves more and more every day

>>42350120
this; got hit once in high school, didn't even see a fight coming and i was out. i'm not small.

>>42349564
Strength helps, but those guys aren't world-class because you need a lot more.

All of the best are more technique oriented than strength oriented.

>>42349603
Werdum outright said he spent hundreds of hours drilling to react to Fedor's most weak positions.

>>42346557
>>42346560
>>42353471
>>42355299
>manlets are this fucking deluded

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>>42359104
Reminder that Fedor is not even 6 feet tall, stupid lanklet. There is a point where being too tall doesn't provide much benefits.

>>42346531
dorian yates talked about this on joe rogans podcast.... in his prime it was even hard for him to tie his shoes

>>42346812
>goal is to push/throw guy out of ring
>person with lower center of gravity wins
whodathunk

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A professional fights is not even a real example of the skills someone who's trained over 5 years has. On the streets any fucking manlet can snap your knees inwards before you realize what's happening. Those guys know so many dirty tricks to quickly neutralize a drunk roidhead it's not even funny.

These threads are so stupid. It's like saying someone good at ice skating should be able to dominate in hokey.

>>42346540
SEE IGOR VOVCHANCHYN VS WHALENS AKA THE POLAR BEAR

Stats

Igor- 5'8 230

Whalens-6'8 350

Whalens gets DROPPED

>>42358646
Obviously, the idea is to form a wall of meat around him to prevent anyone from approaching. Even if they get knocked out or shot, they can be propped up against one another to shield him like a cocoon of flesh.

>>42353471
genki sudo rm -rf /*

>>42360125
lol why would someone that's good at ice skating be good at the hokey pokey that's dumb