/mat/ Martial Arts Thread

>>42289945
I have no qualms with your power rankings tbqphwyf

>>42289954
thanks friend

how do i into sambo

>>42289990
Unless you live in Russia it will be fucking impossible to actually find a dedicated Sambo school. Best bet is to look around MMA and grappling schools and see if they teach sambo.

How is this a martial arts thread when you've literally started the thread with a troll list?

All martial arts are inferior to weapons in this day and age. Sure it's nice to know but knowing Muay Thai or Boxing doesn't mean jack shit if someone's buddy just smacks a broken shard of glass in the back of your neck while his friend is distracting you or 3 guys just tackle you and stomp on you while you're on the ground.

So what do you do martial arts for?

Competition or fitness?

As for fitness, all martial arts are inferior to actually working out because no martial art actually focuses on the biggest muscle groups of the human body, which are the legs and ass. No martial art makes you get big ass muscular glutes to be great at that art.

Competition? Then there cannot be any rankings because each martial art has its own competition.

Then is it fun? or are you literally making some stupid ass martial art list that's effective for MMA?

In any case, shitty start for a thread.

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>>42289969
yoor welkum fren

>>42289969
u forgot pipebomb tho

Wrestling > Judo.

Judo requires a a judogi to properly do your throws. You won't always have loose clothes to grasp in a fight.

>>42290128
HOW CAN YOU EVER RANK PHYSICAL FITNESS ROUTINES WHEN A FORKLIFT WILL ALWAYS OUTLIFT YOU

>get into football throughout highschool
>train martial arts in off season(kick boxing, boxing, some bjj, some wrestling)
>partially tear both shoulders and get at least 3 concussions
>have to quit martial arts for football in senior year
>graduate
>haven't participated in a sport in years, only lift and diet
>can't do any martial art because shoulders are fucked up now and I'm scared of CTE
i miss martial arts. I just want to spar again, but it would be irresponsible to let myself get hit in the head any more.
Plus, my shoulders are so fucked up. I can lift all types of weight now, but any type of punching still hurts and is stiff.
Luckily I can still stretch and kick. I'd be interested in Sambo but it's literally impossible to find a gym here. I'd have to move to russia for years and open up a gym here.

It doesn't feel too bad because I never cared about competing, but rather cared for knowing a means of self-defense, but I still miss the training. Nothing beat it.
Feelskindabadman

>>42290248
>>42290128
LOL

>>42290248
because a physical fitness routine gets you better at physical fitness you retard

which is exactly why this OP's shit list makes no sense without context

I could easily say that list is flipped upside down in ranking of living healthy without brain damage

>>42290200
Good luck doing a double leg takedown on the pavement. Say goodbye to your knees. Also many throws in Judo can be done without a gi for example an Uchi Mata can be perfectly done without a gi, and it's a very tried and basic move. A lot of people wear coats and jackets outside anyways so there's that too.

>>42290267
Yes, and training martial arts will get you better at martial arts you retard. Of course it's not going to stop someone if they sneak up on you and clock you in the head with a baseball bat, just the same as it won't save your legs if you fall two stories off a construction site. Distancing and timing could plausibly aid you against multiple attackers enough to escape but even that alone is slim to none. That's obviously not what the list was comparing and saying "Martial arts are dumb and all are invalid if someone shoots you with a gun" is stupidly far removed from any obvious context. The 'context' of martial arts ranking is obviously the effectiveness of the fighting style compare to other fighting styles.

>>42290318
Are you fucking retarded?
That's exactly why OP's list is garbage. Weapon martial arts have existed for a long ass time, and I didn't even mention a gun you worthless shit.

It's not a list of "what's a great martial art"
It's a list of "what's good in MMA"

Fucking worthless cancer.

>>42290328
In your context you said that martial arts are inherently useless in the streets yet you point out the validity of "weapon martial arts" as if they're worth a damn even though they're even more bullshit than "muh MMA martial arts". How do I know you've never done a martial art in your pathetic life? Get the fuck out of here you stupid fucking mongoloid.

>>42290294
>implying there are only double leg takedown in wrestling

>>42290357
Kill yourself you worthless cancer.
>>42290128
This was my original post.
You've agreed with me while trying to disagree with me.

You're actually fucking cancer lol, I've won golden gloves.

Weapons will beat martial arts 99% of the time.
Doesn't stop me from training though, I love that shit.
The best way to win a street fight is to just not get into one. Otherwise, you better have a weapon, or be very fast.
Street fights =/= martial arts though.
I love training, competing, improving, and winning. I don't fight random fucks at the bar or at the club. I'm not some fucking man-child.

These dumb comparisons need to die already, fucks sake.

>>42289945
>boxing
>god tier
>one-dimensional nigger shit

>>42290357
Not him but you've never done any martial art seriously because pretty much all martial art makes you learn self-discipline to not fight outside of the ring.

You're just a thug who prob went to a gym for 1 month and quit. Bitch ass nigga thug.

>>42290367
>complaining about that after you implied all judo throws require gi grips

>>42290128

>As for fitness, all martial arts are inferior to actually working out because no martial art actually focuses on the biggest muscle groups of the human body, which are the legs and ass. No martial art makes you get big ass muscular glutes to be great at that art.

What do you consider "actually working out"? Lifting weights in the gym? Running? How are these things superior to sparring/rolling when they only train one's strength and cardio separately? It's one thing to be strong, and it's one thing to be endurant, but trying to be both at once is something else entirely, especially when you're competing against another human who's looking to coax your brain into shutting down temporarily (KO) or forcing you to tap by threatening to break your limbs (submission). If you had ever fought in your life - competition or otherwise - you would already know this, and there would be one less shitty post on /fit/ today.

All fighters combine technical work with strength and conditioning, you silly cunt, it's not like everyone in MMA has disavowed weights and roadwork entirely. Why the fuck would you think otherwise?

>No martial art actually focuses on the biggest muscle groups of the human body, which are the legs and ass. No martial art makes you get big ass muscular glutes to be great at that art.

This has to be bait. No one can be that casual.

>>42289945
>Boxing God tier
>BJJ Good tier
something's fishy

>>42290442
>not stepping back and admitting that both sports are effective and grapplers should team up against dumb strikers

>>42290256
You know you are pretty much guaranteed to have CTE right?

>>42290385

No one who's serious about martial arts trains for street fights. If you're actually any good, you're doing it for the love of competition. That said, someone who trains Muay Thai and BJJ (with a little bit of wrestling thrown in for good measure) will have a no problems with a street fight. Unless you've conditioned yourself to take punches, and know what it's like to be rocked by a solid combination to the head, you won't fair well against a professional fighter (by this I mean someone who competes on the national or international circuit, not the kinda people ITT who just do pad work and light sparring three times a week).

Have you read/heard the stories online about UFC fighters who make a habit out of getting into street fights? I'm talking about the Chuck Liddell, Alistair Overeem, Bas Rutten types. They have drunk people approach them at bars, looking to pick a fight because they know them by reputation. And guess what? It never, ever ends well for the untrained guy.

I guarantee that I live in a more dangerous part of the world, and that I've been in more street fights than you. No one gets hurt too badly in a fight, because 80% of the time people stick to using their fists, and afterwards the losing person/party just limp away to feel sorry for themselves elsewhere.

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I'll start wrestling soon (free stlye) after several years of boxing and savate.
Does weight plays a big role ? The weight classes are pretty far from each others

>>42290443
Yes it's bait. There always are butthurt guys like him coming into each martial art thread trying to derail it.

>>42290506
>pad work and light sparring three times a week
Are you retarded? With your criterias there would be 20 persons per country who could be effective in a street fight.
Knowing how to throw a punch will make you win most street fights, no need to "compete on an international circuit" fucking kek.

>>42290256

What weight division do you qualify for? Unless you're LHW and upwards, you shouldn't have too much trouble with concussions, unless you're unnaturally easy to rattle.

Doing football for that long probably hasn't been good for your health, but unless you suffered several concussions in a season you should be alright. It's normal to get concussed a few times as a teenager, if you hadn't been, I'd say you wasted your time staying inside.

>>42290393

Literal retard

>>42290534

>Knowing how to throw a punch will make you win most street fights, no need to "compete on an international circuit" fucking kek.

Confirmed for having never actually been in a fight. The kind of people who start street fights (as in, one's you can't just walk away from) will know how to throw a punch just as well as someone who only does pad work and light sparring. Unless you compete, you're basically untrained. Don't go around saying you "totally do Muay Thai brah" if you're just some cunt who sits in a casual boxercise class. Any 200lbs + guy has KO power, but a trained fighter will win a street fight because he has technique and endurance.

I hate to be the one who tells you this, but your autism is just as obvious online as it is in real life. You're not being slick, it's obvious how full of shit you are. Don't talk about things you don't understand, because it's really, really embarrassing.

>>42290581
>being so retarded you went full circle and actually advocating that lifting and getting strong will make you win any fight against a light opponent who box and spar 3 times a week
What the fuck is wrong with you lad? Did you loose a match against a beginner who used to "light spar three times a week"?

>>42290534

>20 persons per country

Where the fuck do you live, the micro states of Polynesia?

There are 12 people who fight out of my gym. And throughout my city, I'd say there are about 6 other (serious) Muay Thai gyms with a similar number of people on their roster.

If you factor in other arts, like boxing or kickboxing, there would have to be hundreds of real fighters in my city - perhaps thousands across my state.

>>42290599

If you could actually read, you would know that
>technique and endurance
Is developed through serious competition and training. Please show me where I advocating lighting, you silly cunt. Christ, it's like you're trying to embarrass yourself.

If I didn't know better, I'd say your stupidity was caused by brain trauma, but then again I know you're never fought in your life, so...

>>42290619
You're literally saying that a heavy guy who fight in the street with his guts will rekt a dude who train for boxing 3 times a week. That's plain retarded. I'm the one doubting you ever fought anyone in your life rn.

I'd move wrestling to god tier for conditioning/aesthetics alone. To me it seems by far the most physically demanding of all the sports.

t. MMA-pro

>>42290520
Weight is massively important in wrestling, but so is skill. When I wrestled for a short while, I was about 170, but much less skilled than those I was sparring with; people from 130 to 150 could make short work of me because their conditioning and knowledge were so much better than mine. In fact, the only thing that gave me roughly a fighting chance against them was the fact that I had 20 pounds on them.

However, if I'd been just as good as those people, a 20 pound difference would mean a basically uncontested blowout. Even a 5 pound difference can be that significant in the lower weight classes. As you go up in number there's diminishing returns though; that's why classes start out 4-5 apart and then get up to 10-12.

>>42290555
spotted the nigger boxer

>>42290640
Do I risk brain damage if I get into wrestling?

>>42289945
>Boxing
>Judo

Both of these shouldn't be god tier

Is it too late for me to start wrestling? I'm a 19 year old sophomore in college and I always wanted to do it in high school but I didn't want to stunt my growth. How would I start practicing wrestling? Am I too old and inexperienced to compete.

>>42290646
Doubtful. There's headgear, and much like rugby, Newton's laws are in full effect on a wrestling mat. Anything that happens to you is happening to the guy doing it. At worst you're risking joint damage.

>>42290633

Where the fuck did I say that? Just put the exact words in quotes and prove me wrong, it's not that hard. If you were actually correct in understanding what I've been saying, you would be able to show me, not just paraphrase everything.

What I'm saying is, unless you train seriously (five times a week, with moderate to heavy sparring, agility drills and road work for endurance) for real, sanctioned competition, you can't be classified as "trained" - you're just doing it as a hobby. If you are trained, however, you will fair well in almost every street fight, and for obvious reasons to those who actually fight for more than just exercise.

Do you need me to explain it simpler?

>>42290646

Just cauliflower ear my dude, and that shit sucks when you get it because you'll be draining your ear with an insulin needle for the rest of your life. Just be smart and wear your headgear or you'll fuck up like me.

>>42290660
I didn't start training MMA until I was 21, having never done any kind of combat sports before. It's never too late. Just be realistic about your goals.

>>42290693

Do you regret spending a few years doing a grappling or striking art? I do MMA too, but I'm not sure how I would have started without a background in Muay Thai. Do they actually teach you a particular art, or is it just condensed MMA?

>>42290713

*not spending

>>42290685
Thanks my man. I'm 23 and I'm starting this year, I'd like to compete a bit, not anything crazy (national lvl at most). Is it possible?

>>42290660
Ask your college's coach if you can get in on a practice out of interest. Tell him you like fitness and whatnot. See if the conditioning isn't enough to turn you off the sport.

>>42290685
Allright I admit I was shitposting, it's just the elitist attitude I don't like, a lot of people can't train professionnally and it doesn't make them useless in a street fight. 3 times a week is actually decent, I would have agreed if you had say 2 or 1 time a week with no spar.

>>42290720

You're still approaching your physical prime, so if you're dedicated enough, there's still time to take it all the way to the top. Your only disadvantage will be experience, but you should meet lots of guys who've been wrestling since HS who can help you out.

>>42290746
Allright thanks, I did a lot of different sports and I want to settle for one, and just be good at it. Don't want to be an expert or the best one you know, just good and trained.
Judo is far more common in France though, wrestling clubs are hard to find, I hope it won't be shitty.

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>>42290771
I loathe Judo so damn much in France. The federation is cancerous to its fullest.
It's the reason why MMA competitions are still illegal. They're scared to lose all their competitors.
Fucking cunts. Fuck Jean Luc Rougé. You moronic imbecile

>>42290848
Most clubs are nurseries, parents throw their kids in there so they can have some peace in the evening.
We have a lot of determinate young guys, we could be good on the mma scene, I agree it's bullshit that it's forbidden.

>>42290861
MMA wouldn't even change that. No 8yo will compete in MMA, they'll still start their "judo éveil" bullshit. That's where the bulk of the federation money comes from.
The worst part are the arguments that are used. Muh cage fighting and hitting on a downed opponent ;_;

>>42290385
>best way to win a fight is to not get into a fight

What did he mean by this?

>>42289945
>Kickboxing below MT
>Sambo above Wrestling
American detected.

>>42290072
Sambo used to be popular in the whole Soviet union. I'm from Eastern Europe and basically a third of the MMA schools teach some form of sambo, but i can tell you that modern competition sambo and the style used in MMA/cage fighting has little to do with the old-school military shit due to regulations. If you want to learn real sambo, you go to certain bodyguard/self-defence academies where some ex-military dude in his mid-fifties teaches you to literally maim people until you can do it half-asleep.

>>42289945
as someone who does BJJ I wanted to be mad about this list but

yeah it's pretty accurate.

>>42290200
You have to consider the enviornment. In a street fight, judo is probably the most dangerous art, since everyone wears some form of clothing and the real weapon is the concrete. Wrestling on asphalt cuts your endurance by 90% since a prolonged fight means you wont have a single scrap of skin left on your shins and knees.

>>42289945
As a form of contact sport or for self defence? If the former:

I'd swap Wrestling with Judo purely for the fact that wrestling conditioning is much harder (overall). This would also be a major reason why boxing would be in god tier in the first place - most boxing schools heavily emphasize on conditioning. Similarly, unless its a genuine MT school, it can be god tier to shit tier. And its also the same with BJJ, because there's a lot of mcDojos nowadays since they're both trendy as fuck.

Finally, as proven by UFC, TKD would be shit tier on its own, but its godly when used as an accessory for striking performance.

>>42291367
Depends on what type of Kickboxing really. MT is just the most comprehensive type of kickboxing in that it allows knees, elbows, clinch, takedowns and leg grabbing.Kickboxing that doesn't allow any of those, and maybe even anything 'below the belt' is bordering on TKD tier.

>>42290200
If you can't perform throws without the gi you don't know wtf you're doing

>>42289945
Not hating but why bjj below judo curious

>>42289945
I agree

>>42289990
Move to russia or eastern europe. No other way.
>>42291541
Honestly i don't think that grappling would be that useful on streets. In mma its good, because there are weight classes. But on the streets i am not going to try to take a big guy down, especially if that guy has some basic grapple exp. I would rather break his fucking head in with a chair, kick or knee him in his solar plexus and gtfo while he is losing his breath. or try to quickly go for a KO by surprise. You still need to know grappling in order to defend yourself from it. Thats one of the reasons muay thai is good, you get taught enough basic grapple to defend yourself from being taken down and to knee noses into faces of people who try to tackle you.

>>42289945
>judo
>sambo
>god tier

nice b8 faggot

Tips on throwing more stronger/faster punches? People say put your body into the punch but I have no clue what that means exactly. I think it means move more than just your arms, but thats common knowledge. Unless it means involve core, feet, shoulders, etc. then I have no clue.

Also does anyone know any full body stretching routines? My shoulders are tight as fuck

>>42294169
>Tips on throwing more stronger/faster punches? People say put your body into the punch but I have no clue what that means exactly. I think it means move more than just your arms, but thats common knowledge. Unless it means involve core, feet, shoulders, etc. then I have no clue.
Your hand should be relaxed until the very last moment, thats how you deliver the most power from your body to your punches. Proper breathing technique is important. You can't throw fast shots if you are all flexed and tight. And well, practice makes perfect, just doing punches will make you better at punching. Do your plyometrics, do bags, practice your technique and you will become better. Give it time.

>>42294169
>>42294254
I've heard a good exercise is to have a sponge in your hand and to squeeze it moments before the punch lands. Also its not cringey to yell or whatever when punching. Keeping it all in quietly (not sure if true) makes you weaker

>>42290248

Well, shit..

>>42289945
god tier: mma. Has the fewest rules of any normal martial art and the smallest lightest gloves of any striking.

>>42290128
>>42289945
Learn krav maga you inbreds

>>42294169

Wanna learn the right moves? Find a coach, a lot of gyms offer a free week to see if you like it. Just learning the correct way to throw a punch or kick is completely game changing, 90% of people on the street have never thrown a serious punch


It also depends what your throwing. A jab means you strike with the hand closer to your out leg. When your glmove to jab you lean forward and pivot on the ball of your lead foot.

A cross is a strike from the hand resting in the back. This is delivered with the same leaning in motion and pivot of the BACK FOOT. I practice Muay Thai so I'm not sure if this form is for anything other than that and boxing

>>42289945
>Judo
>God Tier

>>42294430
I know the basics, just want to improve upon them. I already trained in an MMA gym for like 6 months but I'm looking for a new one now since I had to move to another city. Found a really great one 30 mils away and another one nearby thats not as good but not bad

>>42290248
HOW CAN YOU RANK BIRDS WHEN AN ELEVATOR CAN LIFT A HUMAN?!

>>42289945
>Kyokushin Karate
Can I get a quick rundown?

Also, why the FUCK isn't Taekwondo on the list, OP?

>>42289945
Wrestling is god tier

>>42294337
>Also its not cringey to yell or whatever when punching. Keeping it all in quietly (not sure if true) makes you weaker
Eh, just exhale as you breathe. No need to yell neccesarily. You can make whatever noises you want to make when you exhale, it doesn't matter. As long as you are exhaling as you punch, you are doing it right.No need to make boxing tsch tsch sounds or yell like karate people do.
>I've heard a good exercise is to have a sponge in your hand and to squeeze it moments before the punch lands.
Well, you can't really land your punches on anything when you have something inside your hands like a sponge, you will fuck up your hands. Ultimately the best thing you can do is to practice on a heavy bag.
>>42294430
You forgot to mention that you should put your shoulders into the punch. A good way to see if you throw a punch properly is if your shoulder can touch your cheeks. Make sure to keep your other hand up, a good way to feel it out is your boxing gloves touching your cheek. My coach just slapped my cheeks every time i would punch to make me hold my hands up, lol.

>>42294548
So roll your shoulders basically

>>42294517
Full contact karate, no gloves or punches to the head. Kicking the head is fine. Pretty tough, moreso if you learn how to properly punch faces for non-competition use.

"Tough guy never back down" attitude in competition as well. Lots of people just wailing at each other until one can't take it anymore.

>>42294607
Yeah. Those are just good cues for you to use, when you start out.

>boxing better than kickboxing

Literally how

>>42294423

>found biggest fucking retard in the entire thread

>>42294423
Literally impossible to properly learn Krav unless you live in the Middle East. Also, most of the techniques are shit anyways. Kali is superior in every way.

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>>42289945
What does /fit/ think about 10th Planet BJJ? They use science to BTFO meatheads like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdSivE9ECWk

>>42294882
>uses science
>believes earth is flat

>>42294882
Interesting take in BJJ but
>retarded names
>relies too much on meme positions
Does have merit and a lot of useful stuff in it.

You should know boxing and wrestling to be the most well rounded. Or judo in place of wrestling. Everything else is pretty much irrelevant. You're not going to be able to round house kick some guy in a crowded club. This isn't karate kid.

>>42290294
You don't have to drag your knee across the ground to shoot a technical shot. Snatch singles and even snatch double legs exist (albeit the double I've only really seen in heavyweights who are using low risk techniques to avoid the sprawl). I'd say that wrestling and judo are equally viable for self defense. I don't recommend shooting a low single on concrete, but the right wrestler could make it work.

>>42295071
Muay Thai is GOAT because it has knees, elbows, and the clinch. Perfect tools for close quarter fighting.

>>42290454
>>42290393
>implying the one martial art that involves literally two guys beating the shit out of each other with pure strength and good strategy isn't god tier
go back to your karate classes kids

how do i into muay thai

>>42294754
Kickboxing puts too much focus on kicking and as a result it causes your boxing skills to be lacking.

how to combine lifting and martial arts/combat sports?
I'd like to get back to kickboxing,im lifting 4 times a week. 1 class a week seems not enough. i use heavybag at home but dont have anyone for sparring.

>>42290506
Well here in America where there are bloods and crips, winning a street fight usually just means getting shot later by the losing party. Suck my second amendments you Indian bitch

>>42295071
>You're not going to be able to round house kick some guy in a crowded club. This isn't karate kid.
Roundhouses don't come naturally quickly, but it doesn't mean they can't be used. You can break bones with roundhouses.

Tbh i wouldn't bother grappling a bar fight, especially when fighting a bigger dude. I am gonna push kick you in stomach and gtfo while you are out of breath. Or knee you if you are trying to grapple me. Or punch you in your face and try to quickly knock you out. I am not gonna bother grappling in real fight, this isn't ufc, we don't have evenly matched weight classes here. In mma grappling would be more important, because of even weight classes.
>>42295264
This^ Honestly MT is prob the most well rounded martial art for street fighting. Its basic, effective and straightforward. You have your 8 "weapons" that you only use in the most basic and straightforward way and you have your clinch.
>>42295355
Go mt gym and train there? lol
>>42295398
Do 3 days a week kickboxing/mt, 3 days a week lifting. Being a bigger stronger guy isnt everything, but it helps. Its not gonna make you slow, thats a meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N94bms4-52w
This will help you with your conditioning and will save time. Ignore assistance stuff, you don't really need if you do fighting IMO.

>>42295071
I do muay thai for over 10 years and i have literally limbed someone from low kicking him. He was 10 kg less than me but trust me, it works. Most people have completely uncondintioned legs. Not to mention gym bros have skinny legs that fold with a well placed kick.

And if the other guy is heavier than you and bull rushes you you can apply my favorite technique, the knee to the thighs. Works from clinch range and it fucking hurts.

And with no gloves you are more likely to hurt your hand than the opponent by punching him. Elbows ,knees, open palm strikes and hammer fists are the most effective strikes if you aren't wearing boxing gloves.

Also grappling is great but the weight differences in fights outside the ring diminish this effectiveness. Takedown defense is the most important grappling skill you can have.

Most fights outside the ring never last long. 99% it's some guy trying to appear macho. If he encounters an onslaught of knees and elbows he will give up. If he doesn't he has gone into murder mode and no martial arts can protect you 100% then.

Oh and if a knife comes out just don't fight.

>>42289945
>boxing
an entire fighting system that leaves you completely helpless against a simple tackle. not god tier at all.
>Judo
enjoy being in a fight while having no experience against simple striking techniques.
>Kyokushin Karate
my first seven year in martial arts were in KK, and I fucking love it, but a kickboxer would absolutely demolish a karateka with the same training time.
Muay thai is fucking great though

>>42290128
Have you ever trained in wrestling? Worked my legs pretty well, I got thick legs from my training

>>42289945
you're wrong.
>God tier
MMA
nothing else is god tier.
>>shit tier
>>everything else
you practice martial arts for the sports and not for the way and you're missing out.

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>>42294169
pin your shoulders back for weaker lighter faster punches, or with your shoulders rolled in front, focus on the speed that you bring your fist back to you (think of using your biceps to pull your forearms as quickly back as possible)

for stronger punches, think of throwing, how you twist your body to generate force through your hand, it's the same sort of thing.

>>42289945
>god tier
>No krav-maga
Else than that solid post desu

>>42297217
>karate with hitting people in the nuts
>honorable let alone great

>>42297217
>Believing the jewish lies

>>42290848

>MMA competitions are still illegal

What the cocks? Even amateur MMA? God damn I love Poland.

>>42289945
>judo
>god tier

heh

>>42294517
Not op, but most of the TKD we see today is just a bastardized version aimed mostly at sport. It's the same reason Karate at large is not on the list either.

>>42289945
if you want to handle fights the best combination is boxing and wrestling: punching, moving and being able to stay on your feet/getting up

if you want to fight people who knows how to fight you need some BJJ because nobody knows how to fight off their back

>>42294423
Krav Maga is a complete meme. Unless you're a literal Israeli soldier, what you're doing is not Krav Maga. You're doing some watered down version, and you'd be better off if you just something off OP's list.

>>42289945
>boxing
>god tier
Nice list retard

>>42290248

>>42290200
Very very few throws cannot be done without a GI. Even sacrifice throws just require good hooks and turn into lat drops. Wrestling bent over posture is a great way to get knees to the face. Try taking a shot on concrete.

>>42290367
Non leg wrestling takedowns suck for irl. A poorly performed suplex means two broken skulls.

IKMS lads. Is it decent?

>>42292644
Wrestling conditioning and judo conditioning are the same. I do both. High level judo conditioning is the same as wrestling.

Low level judo is lighter so people learn the technique over brute Force initially.

Also all high level Judoka wrestle as well.

I have no idea where your claim comes from

I'm 18 right now and I want to start training to become a special forces soldier in the US. Any suggestions on which martial art I should learn for skill and also overall fitness? I've been leaning towards MMA.

>>42290294
>implying a double-leg is the most effective and only wrestling takedown
>implying wrestlers don't know how to throw

>>42295166
Snatch grabs also involve you putting your head closer to their hands. That's the problem with going low. I'd rather get a heavy collar tie then go for a hip throw. It makes much more sense with much less risk

>>42296367
You know that MMA isn't a martial art right? MMA is a mix of martial arts listed by OP.

>>42298055
>judo conditioning same as wrestling
same as freestyle and greco maybe, where you don't have to be in as good of shape, but I doubt it's the same intensity as folkstyle

>>42290128
Unfortunately, being able to physically defend yourself is more practical than having a weapon. If someone tries to start a fight with you or does something that makes you want to fight them, if you just pull out a gun or knife and kill them, you'll likely go to jail. If you just beat them up, you probably won't.

>>42298125
Yeah it is. What exactly do you consider a martial art?

>>42290128
god dammit what has /fit/ become. How can one be so god damm stupid.

>>42298745
MMA is a mix of grappling and striking arts. You don't practice MMA, you practice Judo, BJJ, and Muay Thai. Or whatever mix you do. GSP doesn't have really good MMA, he has really good Wrestling, Boxing, and BJJ. Saying that your MMA is really good doesn't mean anything.

>>42289945
There's no martial art to this date that can beat a well placed pipebomb

>>42292644
Shodan in judo here. I'm not going to bash wrestling or their conditioning because I agree with you but technically speaking wrestlers don't know the answer when it comes to a very well tought judoka. Sambo on the other hand.

>>42290200
Former bouncer and combat Engineer in the armed forces who is now a tactical advanced care paramedic. I beg to differ there is probably about 6 throws in judo that actually require a gi. I'm a shodan if that means anything even though in judo it just means I'm only now beginning my judo career.

>>42298072
Be careful, most MMA trainers are scam artists. Better focus on one discipline, preferably striking, and later move to some grappling.

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>>42295355
Pick Josie in Tekken 7

Is 22 too late to want to train competitively for MMA?

Why is BJJ (and wrestling) ranked lower than Judo?

Aren't there many more succesful guys in professional MMA with BJJ and wrestling backgrounds than Judo? I always thought every fighter should have some BJJ experience but never heard of anyone say Judo is a must.

>>42299388
Wrestling backround > Stand up Background > BJJ Backround

Fights start standing up

>>42299414
Look at early MMA, when almost no rules apply and it's a fight between purists BJJ wins.

>>42299414
Against untrained opponents, anything works.

Against opponents trained in striking, grappling works.

Against opponents trained in grappling, grappling works.

Against completely trained opponents, you need to be completely trained too.

>>42299338
Depends on how quick you are too learn and if you are physically gifted or have AT LEAST been lifting or physically active in your life and not a straight up twink or fatass (also not a meat head).

There are many sucessful fighters who have started late and done well. Don't let age make you feel discouraged. There is a 35 year old at my gym who made a debut and won. He probably won't go pro since he is 35 but you might.

Fighting is just as much a mental game, if not more, as it is a physical game.

Tl;dr No, but your ceiling is lower the older you are.

>>42299512
I've just noticed a lot of former wrestlers hit hard as fuck.

>Woodley
>Mendes
>Cormier
>Weidman

>>42289945
Personally I'd switch sambo and wrasslin, just because of availability. Not many places outside of old Soviet bloc countries have good and readily available sambo, but just about everywhere in the US has wrasslin

>>42295071
Confirmed to never have been put in Plum. You take a knee to the ribs or an elbow to the forehead then come talk to me.

>>42299434
Ya, that too. Also my experience is that most MMA athletes and experts value BJJ much more than people in this thread seem to do. I'm not saying 4chan is "the" place for legit info, rather I'm curious of why so many seem to agree with the rankings by OP.

>>42299561
Im from Australia and there is practically no freestyle wrestling that i have been exposed to. Im actually pretty sad because I think I would have loved doing it in school.

Now if I want to get into a grappling sport then ill have to do BJJ or Judo. Just need to get a bit more money.

>>42299677
Most people don't actually do martial arts, and when they do, they tend to value the ones they do over the other ones. I don't blame them either. Personally, I do BJJ, and I did a bit of wrestling in Highschool. If anyone thinks they're going to "just stay standing", or "just not get taken down" they're delusional. Even if the takedown is bad, it's pretty much all over when they get on the ground.

>>42299388
>>42299434

Large judo organizations and individual countries affiliates prevent athletes from doing mma. It's an olympic sport, if you're good, you use your life to attempt to go there. You have to completely abandon judo to go to mma.

Those who do have a judo base are also relatively successful. You're never going to see a lot of judo professionals going to mma for these reasons. MMA is only for money, judo culture is very olympic focused.

Also once you get to know both cultures well, as well as their technicalities, you will realize the catalogue of techniques on the ground is extremely similar (see Kosen Judo) but they have diverged to focus on different things.

People see a triangle choke in mma and go "whoa bjj!" where as it's been an established move in many other arts.

There have been very few practical inventions by the bjj community that hasn't been known to past generations of martial autists. Bjj is a lot of branding.

>>42290128
>Start running thread

>HOW IS THIS A RUNNING THREAD WHEN YOU CAN JUST DRIVE A CAR?

Holy shit, you're retarded.

>>42289945
I beaten everything u put in god / where is the military style MA srsly u fags are unbelievable

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>>42299794

>>42299776

>martial autists

Hahahahaha brilliant.

>>42299740
Think so too. You'll end up on the floor sooner or later and that's where the jits guy should have the edge. This goes for MMA tho. In a street fight Judo would probably be way superior, you don't wanna risk any additional guy hitting you in the back when you're trying to armbar some meathead who started swinging. I was just assuming we were talking strict 1v1 MMA here.

>>42299776
Fair points all around, thanks for replying. Was about to start BJJ at the same gym I do boxing but I might check Judo before signing up.

>>42299866

Don't forget that judo has an extensive library of groundwork as well, and more than enough to defend themselves on the ground.

I've been doing judo for about 4 years, and roll with purple belts regularly, sure I won't tap any brown belts, but I sure can pin them and maintain a dominant top position. There is a definite stylistic difference between the two, and both are very viable.

>>42289945
What is wrong with bjj?

>>42299776
Well, BJJ really did just come out of Judo. Specifically, it's the brand of Judo that came out of the Gracie family in Brazil. Even more specifically, Helio Gracie, who was too sickly and weak to do a lot of the stand up, developed most of the ground game in BJJ.

More recently, the changes between BJJ and Judo have developed even further with the complete and utter raping of the Judo rules by the Olympic committee.

>>42299776
>abandon judo to go MMA
Like every olympic wrestler that now competes in MMA? Plenty of them left their careers behind and so did plenty of judoka's they don't cut it.

>relatively succesful
The only successful judoka ever was Karo Parisyan. I can name at least a dozen wrestlers and BJJ fighters out of the top of my head more succesful than him.

> catalogue of techniques on the ground is extremely similar but they have diverged to focus on different things.
Yes, and BJJ stole a lot of techniques from catch too. MMA has proven that BJJ's focus is superior (especially against purists) in about as real a fighting contest as you'll possibly get.

> very few practical inventions by the bjj community that hasn't been known to past generations
BJJ took Judo's shit and made it better.

Also women's MMA is a meme and so is Ronda Rousey so don't.

>>42300085
I'd like to add that nowadays, it's still possible to be a BJJ purist and still win in MMA. A prime example is Damien Maia. This is not possible with any other martial art, as far as I know.

>>42298101
Better hope the other guy hasn't grappled for a month because he would just avoid anything resembling a hip toss

>>42299949
There are plenty of BJJ lineages that have little to connection to the original Gracie family, and they are legitimate as well. Guys like Gurgel and Aurelio have black belts from a tree that is non-Gracie.

>>42300085

The cultural focus of judo is olympics and pure juod competition. The much much larger portion of the bjj focus is mma. It makes sense about the results.

Don't forget a significant portion of judo's effectiveness comes from a hard surface. I don't know how many mats youve been on or cages, but a throw on even sand or grass is significantly more effective.

>>42289945
Judo is pretty shit now that the Olympic Committee took a shit on the rules. I'd rank BJJ and Wrestling over Judo.

>>42290072
This tbqh, you've got to analyse which martial arts are taught the best in your area.

I really want to learn sanda but there is none here in Sydney, so I went for Muay Thai and boxing.

On another topic, how do I get over the gayness of ground fighting and clinching so I can go and learn how to do it? Rubbing against another dudes ass/crotch disgusts me to no end.

>>42300320
Restrictions always damage the effectiveness of martial arts, that's why Kung fu training methods have suffered.

They used to have full contact fights on lei tai (raised platforms) back in the day.

>>42300379
>how do I get over the gayness of ground fighting and clinching so I can go and learn how to do it? Rubbing against another dudes ass/crotch disgusts me to no end.

Are you being serious? You're learning how to physically destroy someone, and you're worried about how gay it looks? Are you fucking retarded?

>>42300406

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19VsB7__v0&ab_channel=cungle

Kung Fu has always been a meme. This is video of the finals of a Kung Fu tournament held in China between the masters of the "Northern Fist" and "Southern Fist". Even then, this shit was hilariously bad.

>>42300131
> This is not possible with any other martial art, as far as I know.
Well, the problem is that most martial arts don't really give you tools to protect against other martial arts. Boxers don't know how to protect themselves against low kicks or being taken down and grappled on the ground for example. Karateka don't know how to protect themselves against head punches, you can destroy a karateka by jabbing him in his head. BJJ and muay thai are unique martial arts in a way that you can defend. Thai boxers have a pretty complete skillset when it comes to that, they know how to protect themselves against basically everything your opponent can do to you standing up and teaches you how to effectively use all your striking tools available.

>>42300167
Rolls Gracie>Jacare>Gurgel
Even Alliance guys are from Gracie lineage even if they distance themselves from it. I don't know of any notable schools that aren't of some level of Gracie lineage

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>>42290128
>All martial arts are inferior to weapons in this day and age
t. Jason Blaha

>>42289990

Most useful sambo I've learned is the single leg x guard and de la riva tecnhiques. I cut to 190 for NAGA, underhook throws and judo hip toss shit is not that practical in my weight class. Even my instructor has to catch me very off guard to work something fancy. For the big boys, snapping headlocks and back takes is a much more realistic strategy. That said, I'll take an overhook if I have wrist control so I can crank you down and maybe work a sacrifice throw. More realistically I'll threaten the throw and look for an ankle pick.

In no gi open grappling, sambo works really well as a flavor to spice up your wrestling, which should be the engine driving your standup game. There's a bunch of cool shit starting from single leg and other defensive spots too that's worth learning. But all the kurtka throws, I don't know man. My gym has classes in the jacket where you do crazy throws, but I haven't seen the sambo heads excel in open grappling anywhere near like how the wrestlers dominate. Same for judo, we have some very high level judoka in my gym. It's hilarious to see 15 years of study get dragged across the gym by a midwestern corn fed college wrestler who's sugarbumping a collartie so hard he's popping vertebrate.

>>42300780
You could be a gracie blackbelt and get son'd by a wrestler with 2 months of ground game in no gi. I don't care who your "undefeated professor" is, a headlock is a fucking headlock.

>>42300506
Lmao I'm sure I could eat every single punch thrown in that 7 minute video and not have a bruise in the morning.

>>42290328
but a good martial art is a martial art that is good in mma

>>42302445
a good ma in mma is one thats fits the rules doesnt mean shit outta ring most mas that arnt used in the ring are because theyd break to many rules or like black tiger thats meant to fucking kill someone as fast as possible

All you faggots have heard of guns right? Unless you don't live in America and the state has castrated and cucked you, you little faggy karate bullshit is fucking useless lol.

>>42302482
>my kung fu is too deadly to ever spar with
top autism

>>42301201
>tapping out to headlocks

>>42302528
no they just outlawed and banned from any normies chicken fence ring martial arts has kinda been out awhile before it came to american television kid might be surprising to you fuckbois

>>42301201
>being this retarded

>>42300506

imagine going back 60 years and being able to destroy literally anyone in a whole country

>>42302547
>Being so utterly stupid that you can't string together a coherent sentence.
>Believes in muh super deadly secret techniques XD

Were you born this autistic or did you invest a few years to get here?