Natty expectations

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Steve Reeves is the natty limit

>>42274908
How many years of lifting?

>>42274883
you can't be sure if you are going to look like zyzz in 2 years but you can be sure about the fact that you are going to look a lot better than you are looking now after 2 years of working out so just start and don't compare yourself to others

>>42274883
If you are skinny then eat 1000 cals above your TDEE for 5 months then 500 for 7 months, cut if necessary , lift 5 days a week

>>42275037
4+

Not only lifting, but sleep and diet as well.

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>>42275041
I have already started a few months ago and i don't lack the motivation, but maybe when i stop cutting i would need to evaluate my progress accurately and not comparing myself to people who do roids. btw is the guy in the picture i uploaded natty?

>>42275087
no he isn't. too much mass for such a low bodyfat percentage.

>>42275087

>thinking the Zar is natty for even half a moment.

Scott Herman's body is what most people can hope to achieve natty, people telling you otherwise are lying.

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>>42275087
This is the natty limit, cocaine abuse not withstanding. If you're looking for realistic results with a fuck ton of dedication look up "Omarlsuf" on yubetube. He's what you can realistically expect and his results are deffinately obtainable for most dudes.

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>>42275087
>>42275197
Here's a good before and after roids for Arnold too. Frame one is achievable for sure but even then he was dabbling in orals. Still doable for sure imo.

>>42274883
Why does it matter

Lift, eat, sleep, repeat. What you get is what you get. Work harder and you'll look better.

>>42275223
Arnold was on roids since he was 14 senpai

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>>42275649
No idea who that guy is, but he obviously isn't natural.

>>42275793
its dorian yates, its obviously a joke kek

OP I believe your problem rests in the fact that you are looking at 2D pictures to compare yourself to. Much like how 2D porn on your computer screen hinders your ability to actually talk to girls irl.

Keep lifting for 3+ years, and you'll start to notice other lifters who have the same frame/build as you. I guarantee 80%+ of them will be as big as you if not a bit bigger. The only varying factor here is body fat.

Then you will one day cross paths with someone who has the same build as you, yet with a literal disgusting amount of muscle mass.

You will notice the ladder almost immediately in real life settings. I am not joking when I say roiders have a disgusting amount of muscle.