ATTENTION SKINNYFATS OF /FIT/

>>42254654
Sorry, we don't accept helpful threads here. Please return to brapposting

>>42254654
bump for the skinny fatties

Praise the ancestors for giving us OP. Add to the 3. - as a beginner, you'll make strength gains even while you're cutting. You'll get stronger and lose bf%.

When do i know is time to stop cutting?

>>42255074
10-13% bf.

>>42254654
lmao you're reatarded

TROLL THREAD

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I disagree. I was a skinnyfat with absolutely zero muscle (same build as pic related). I did a bulk first to build muscle which took like 3 years, and then I did a cut, bulk, and on my final cut. You need to build muscle endurance and strength and increase your BMR before your first cut or else you'll just be holocaustmode

just eat more protein fagots

>>42255151
Jesus christ
>CIA niggers stole my gains

>>42255074
When you have a perfectly flat stomach I suppose

>>42255151
>>42255178
who the fuck is this?

If you're a skinnyfat it doesn't matter if you cut or bulk first all that matters is that you fuckin pick one and COMMIT to it. When you're done, switch gears and do the other. Only then will you look good.

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>>42255151
bulking for 3 years

>>42255151
Why not lift at maintanence calories while on a high protein diet? Recomp is bad?

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>>42255192
Terry A. "Slay a CIA Nigger Everyday" Davis

>>42255151
You can do either. Cut then bulk or bulk then cut and repeat. Both work, but it's about what you want and how you can handle feeling about yourself. If you are skinny fat and bulk first you are just going to look even more fat. And you're going to look like that for a while; you need to be able to deal with that. Cutting first is better for a lot of people because most don't want to start working out only to find themselves fatter than when they started, even if they are making progress.

>>42254654
i disagree with you OP


been absolute skinny with a weird belly. I first start lifting and cutting ending just with even a skinnier body and little to no muscle to show up.


I'd would say bulk if you bf is below 20%

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Should I bulk?

>>42255280
is this a bait?

>>42255280
I would

>>42255280
No but you should take your pants down

>>42255280
ABSOLUTELY
You have no chest, but that might just be genetic

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eat clean at mainetance or slightly below with ton of protein

t. fag that went gomad as skinnyfat and is still fat but doesnt care since deadlift is above 4pl8 and i lift for 9months

>>42255573
looks like a nice homegym buddy

>>42254654
People here eat 1000 cals above their tdee and train 3 days a week

>>42255151
>skinnyfat
>no muscle
>could've done a suicide-cut because you have no muscle to lose anyway
>still chooses to bulk
>took 3 fucking years
You're fucking stupid

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>>42254654
>1. DO NOT BULK - If you've got a skinny frame but fat on your belly/love handles, bulking won't solve anything. No muscle you gain will be quick enough to offset the fat, and instead you'll gain MORE fat on top of the one you already have and end up looking worse. Not only that, but if you choose to remove it all later, it will take double the time. What's the solution?
>2. FUCKING CUT - Do a good, clean cut until your belly and obliques are fully visible and free from fat, then reverse diet to start a clean, slow bulk. More importantly
i disagree.
i was skinnyfat, did slow bulk and LP PPL
i still have the same amount of fat, maybe a bit more, but i have way more muscle mass, in general i just look bigger.
im way more happy with my look now than if i had chosen to cut like a mofo

>>42254654
what are you supposed to do about your lifts tho? LP or brosplit?

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>>42255757
>lp or brosplit
you can have linear progression while doing a brosplit, wtf

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>>42254654
Just weighed in @ 5'10 height.

Bulk or cut?

>>42254654
Great advice. Thanks for the post. I was skinny and people kept telling me I just needed to eat more. So I did. Then I got love handles and felt like shit all the time. Slow build is the answer.

>>42254654
Correct

>>42255074
9-11% bf

>>42255850
Post body pic
bulk, probably

>>42255280
You should lift then we can maybe talk about bulking

>>42255850
bulk you retard. This OP is a faggot. What weight do you think you would cut to?

>>42255151
>>42255195
>>42255267
>>42255725
You're all wrong and I'll tell you why: Amateur mentality. Everything you're saying has already been adressed in rule #3: Don't be hasty.

>If you're skinnyfat then cut you'll be Auschwitz!

No one cares. Seriously, nobody cares. Starting from the fact that most people in the college age range are out of shape, either very fat or very skinny, so it's not like you'd stand out anyway. And worst case scenario, you're Auschwitz for a few months then muscular and LEAN for every single year to come. See how badly that tunnel vision affects you?

>i still have the same amount of fat

And that's exactly the problem. Here's what most people don't understand: Looking bigger has more to do with your proportions in regards to YOURSELF than any number at all.

That is to say, for example, that if a skinnyfat guy with 65kg chooses to bulk, then gets at 75kg, he'll still look skinnyfat but with muscle, builtfat at best. If that same guy cuts first, then gets to 75kg LEAN, no belly and no love handles, he'll look a lot bigger despite being the same weight. Not only that, but when you're lean, you'll have free card to gain for a extended amount of time, and when you're fat, you're bulking just to cut, and cutting fat that's been stored in your body for years and years, and you allowed to grow MORE, will take a shitton of effort and time in which you could be making muscle.

This is why Arnold looked so big, and some people, even past his weight nowadays, look smaller; he had a crazy amount of muscle, but the tiniest waist. No fat. And make no mistake, you're not fooling anybody by hiding your love handles under your clothes, everyone can tell from a mile away.

Be smart, for fucks sake.

is body recomp a meme or does it actually work

>>42255979
>have no muscle or endurance
Hmm
>"better reduce my muscle and fat!!"
>"just b smart"
Pick one, retard

>>42255151
>You need to build muscle endurance and strength and increase your BMR
That's the most retarded thing I have ever heard, no amount of muscle that you can realistically build in a year will make losing the same amount of weight noticeably easier.
>before your first cut or else you'll just be holocaustmode
You were already holocaustmode, just with fat on top, which is even worse. And you stayed a fat piece of shit during your 3 year bulk, only this time you had some muscle. If you had started by cutting, you would have looked good after the first year.

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>>42255919
Really unsure of which program to do. I just got a power rack off my neighbor a week ago. Barbell and weights coming soon via amazon.

What program to do to get zyzz aesthetics?

Btw i'm 21 so running out of time.

>>42255979
Your brain doesn't function right bud

>>42256049
eat

>>42256049
You can't seriously be considering a cut

>>42255996
it's way to easy to spin your wheels if you don't pick one.

>>42255979
>mrgarrisonretardalert.jpg

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I have body disphoria or some shit since I literally can't comprehend what my body looks like. Right now I'm 5'6, 143lbs (considering I started at 135lbs) and have been lifting for 6 weeks.

Between this thread and many others I still am not sure what to think...

What do?

>>42256042
>>42256053
>>42256092
>IP isn't new
>it's the exact same amount of fat fucks with love handles I responded to

Hmmmm, I wonder what could be motivating you to think I'm wrong.

>>42256049
bulk

what weight do you seriously think you would cut to?

this is why the OP is a gigantic faggot for making a troll thread.

Do Starting Strength with rows or pullups instead of cleans for 3 months while eating more than you normally would

>>42256113

look at this guy >>42256049
and honesty tell me you think he should cut.

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>>42256093
you look like the average joe, not too fat, not too muscly and not too skinny, i would say just eat at a slight surplus.

but then again, the nazi OP might come in and push his skellington agenda

>>42256093
if your lifts are going up, keep doing what you are doing. it's only been 6 weeks bruh

i miss the time where I could make consistent progress workout after workout

>>42256148
He doesn't have any love handles, you fucking retard. I'll write as nice as possible until you start being a fucking retard.

The thread isn't saying skinny people should cut, fucking retard. It's saying skinnyFAT people with fat on their bodies and love handles should start cutting, fucking retard.

Now go convince yourself you look big because your arms, which are mostly fat anyway, at least look somewhat large while you hide your belly, you fucking retard.

>>42256068
>>42256070
Fair enough. I've been procrastinating too long anyway.

Going to bulk at 350 surp and do SS. Will i get any decent results from that? It's always being bashed here. Of course i don't have issues with it since i'm a noob
>>42256128
Alright so i get you guys are not PTs but how should i go about learning form? I cannot risk snapping my shit up. That will be my final request.

>>42256211
youtube is pretty good, find someone that knows their shit. I would recommend Scott Herman (if you can stand his accent) and Mark Rippetoe (if you can handle 20 min long videos that explain more than necessary)

>>42256187
post your before and after then

>>42254654

Dude you don't need to worry about cutting or bulking for a long time after you start lifting. Eat at roughly maintenance with enough protein and recomp until you stop gaining strength. You're going to look like shit for a long time no matter what you do, might as well max out your muscle gains in the noobie stage.

>>42256187

This guy is skinnyfat with love handles. He should cut right? >>42255151

>>42256353
this is good advice
OP is retarded

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I'm 6'4, 165 lbs, ~11% BF. I've been working out and trying a cut diet for 4 months, but I still have fat all along my abdomen, and it's extra obvious when I lean over, but I am gaining muscle mass. Should I eat at maintenance and focus on filling my body with muscle, or continue cutting? I started out as skinnyfat with absolutely no muscle mass, and I do mostly chest, arm, and ab exercises.

>>42255573

>still fat but doesnt care since deadlift is above 4pl8 and i lift for 9months
>doesn't care because

Are you trying to impress someone?

Nobody gives a fuck if some fat kid can deadlift 405.
Nobody gives a fuck if ANYONE deadlifts 405 that's not a woman.

>>42256353
Good advice

>>42256357
Most definitely. Look at the way the fat JUMPS from his pants around his waist. That is horrible to have. Not to mention for long periods of time, mantaining a high bf % can impact your hormones.

>>42256329
>>42256371
Stay butthurt, my good fucking retard. Would you care to post your abs?

>>42256211
as long as you eat decently and lift properly you'll see progress amigo

>>42256393
>starts a thread
>gets asked for proof that his gay ass theory is right

>"no, u"

kill yourself. Why make threads when you are just destroying the board with this bullshit?

I shudder to think of the poor sips thread or high test thread that had to die for you to make this one.

>>42256471
>destroying the board

I see all that estrogen from your love handles is making you emotional, fucking retard.

To have an idea of how dumb you are, the OP post literally has a DRAWING of the idea, and yet you could not grasp the meaning. Not even having it drawn for you. You're below monkey.

I posted something that was backed by many other people with similar experiences in this thread, people who said I am right and they FELT much better after getting rid of it.

But here's the deal: You're an unhappy, fat fuck. You wasted years bulking with your fucking love handles and this post makes you insecure because it presents the very real possibility that you might be... wrong about something. So in order to be able to leave with your disgusting fucking love handles, tolerate yourself another day and not wanna commit suicide you post this cancerous fucking "fitness" advice that has no fitness at all in it and is completely based on your fragile fucking ego.

You kill yourself, you fucking chimp.

>>42256471
>>42256509

holy shit BTFO

>>42256509
i did grasp the meaning. so post a pic.

>>42255203

Recomp is really hard for true beginners

>>42256588
Where are your abs again? I thought you were proving me wrong, right? As in, I posed a theory, which you wanted to disprove? So SURELY you have nice abs?

You're just embarassing yourself at this point, retard.

>>42256617
you need to prove a claim, not wait for someone to disprove yours.

stay in school.

>>42255280
what else would you do?

>>42256471
>>42256588
>>42256634
>All these posts avoiding the subject of his stomach

LMAO.

All my six fucking packs are visible by the way, it's beautiful, but the way it works is what if I post a pic, no matter what body I have, you're gonna say it's shit, because you're completely against me and trying to justify your own piggery. So I'm not dumb enough to give you the straw your grasping for.

Where are your abs, btw?

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I'm 5'6 at 154lbs but have a pretty large frame and broad shoulders. Should I be cutting? Many have said I should be bulking then cut

>>42256679

Try growing first

>>42256698
I can't. My parents spic genes cursed me to be a manlet.

>>42256712

I'd say don't bulk up too much. Short people who bulk too much look ridiculous.

Can't quite work out in my head what 5'6 and 154lbs looks like but if you have a large frame then I'd say cut now, then decide if you need to bulk afterwards.

>>42256049
21 nd ur running out of time???? please explain

Whats a good weight for someone who is 6 feet but with scoliosis and literally no muscle?

Been lifting for 3 months, I'm 172lbs now cutting down to 160 and I think I'm gonna keep cutting till I can see my abs

>>42256393
nigger, i have rather high bf%, i bulked straight outta skinnyfat into skinnyfat with muscle
my test is even higher than jeff nippard's (he got his tested recently)

>>42256836
I haven't started at all. I have been browsing here for 2 weeks, mainly because i use this site way too much and people irl don't take me as seriously when i look like a twink that you can't be too rough with.

Also people i knew got fat and i can only be skelly for so long unless i am starving. Mainly why i became vegan.

>>42256893
Completely delusional

>>42255074
When your BMI is around 19-20.

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>>42254654
Am I still skinnyfat mode?

>>42255151
>three year bulk
holy shit I think that's just called getting fat

>>42256950
Sort of, yeah. It seems you leaned at the top (which is the first to go), but the bottom's still covered in fat. Bottom, specifically oblique fat, is the very last to go, so that's how you know you're done. As a test, if you can grab a handful of fat from around your waist, you're not quite there yet.

>>42256950
Yes, you should lose AT LEAST 15 more pounds.

>>42256989
I've been cutting for 16 fucking weeks and my lifts have been platued the whole time...
tell me it gets better after the cut pham...30 weeks is a long fucking time.

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>>42256728
This is a recent photo

>>42256989
He should bulk to build his chest and shoulders first. Chest is the biggest giveaway for a DYEL

>>42257053
not him but you seem to have quite a bit of muscle

>>42254654
After a year with the same gf your libido with them begins to decline sharply. After two years sex becomes a chore.

>>42257056
This is what I was thinking. I was going to do like 8 more weeks to get down to 170 and then just start bulking. I bench 155 for 3x5 and I'm sick of it.

>>42256049
That disgusting ass bellly button.

>>42254654
I overcame beeing skinnyfat, now I am just regular skinny at 57kg and my abs start to show.
Bodyfat is down to about 9% and I need to loose even more...

>>42256375
why are his pecs so shit

>>42256921
>delusional
>19 nmol/l is not higher than 12 nmol/l
either you are stupid or you dont know numbers

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>>42257134
genetics?

>>42254654
lifting 6 years, also started off skinnyfat

I totally agree, bulking if you are already chubby is the absolute worst thing you can do (especially in one of the rare periods in your training that you can actually make gains without a calorie surplus)

>>42255074
10-12% bf

>>42257125
You're not 9% if you need to lose more. Some bf tests are total bogus, don't buy into them.

DEXA or nothing.

>>42257236
It might be off a bit, but there is no fat on my arms and legs anymore.
The only little bit of fat is on my belly, when I arrive at 55kg it shouldn´t be there anymore.

>>42257292
Not 9% fag

I'm using me being skinny fat as an excuse to not lift and only stay calorie deficit. 6'0 160 ~20% bf

How low will I go if I continue being a shithead?

>>42257467
btw I do eat >100 g protein per day to try and minimize the muscle loss, I just don't want to lift until I can clean bulk out of laziness

>>42257481
You're gonna lose the muscle if you don't use it, what you're doing right now is literally going to turn you into a trap

>>42257481
Lift and jump rope, it will be gone in no time and you'll be happier faster.

What should I do if I'm 6'3" 150 and skinny fat? I previously lost 60lbs from eating better and running 3x a week for about 3 years. I'd estimate I'm around 16-20% bf, with lots of fat around my lovehandles/waist still. If I flex I can sorta see the outline of my abs, but again, I keep a ton of fat in my lovehandles. You can see it from a mile away.

I've made arguments for both recomp and slow bulk. I could try to do a 1 year recomp versus 200-300 kcal slow bulk. I don't wanna cut cos I'm pushing being underweight. I've been at 144 a couple weeks back but I think that's just cos I was restricting water intake desu.

>>42255573
How often do you ram your head into the ceiling on your average workout day?

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>entire life overweight, borderline fat
>in freshman year of college go too actually fat 5'9" and over 200 lbs, almost no muscle
>eventually start doing cardio and eating a little healthier, get down to 145 lbs, skinnyfat.
>start lifting 6 months ago, have gained only 5 lbs back of muscle

I know I need to bulk if I really want some gains, but after losing all that weight im scared of getting fat again. i have made a little gains though eating basically maintenance.

>>42257541
Depends on what you wanna ultimately do. If you bulk now you'll stay fat and have to cut in the future. If you finish your cut until it's all gone, you can focus on only putting lean mass. Notice most natural athletes (Scott Herman was mentioned in this thread, and also Athlean-X is a known one) don't really believe in bulking and cutting, they just progress linearly and stay in shape. You've already got the right idea with the clean bulk, but the timing is important. Ultimately though it comes down to you.

In any case, work your midsection every day, do abs one day and obliques the other, it's a great way to prevent that ever happens again.

>>42256679
If you have to ask this question then you probably have some excess fat, so you should most likely cut. There is no way to guess bf% accurately enough based on height and weight only btw, so you should have posted a pic.

>>42257056
Good advice, he should bulk for 5 months to have a barely non-dyel chest and still be out of shape instead of cuttng for 3 months then bulking in a good shape.

>>42257587
Also, I might add that even though you may go underweight, cutting is all about mental toughness. This is why some people stay fat their entire lives. What is a bleep of underweight in time if every year, from now on, you're in amazing shape?

In fitness, you always gotta think at least a year ahead.

I started off skinnyfat at 140lbs, cut to 135lbs and I've been "clean bulking" and lifting for 6 months. I'm back at 140lbs but much lower bf%.

>>42255205
American hero
I liked his latest drunk driving video

>>42255151
>bulked for three years
Please stop giving your shitty advice

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>>42256164
>"skelington agenda"

My sides

>>42257699
If I've already been cutting for 4 months should I take break? I feel like my progress has stagnated. I'm at 179 coming from ~210. Doesn't cutting for too long crash metabloism/hormones? Not suggesting that I necessarily bulk here but would it be bad to eat at maintenance for a while then cut again? Or am I better off biting the bullet and dropping the last 10/15?

>>42257643
The pic is h here
>>42257053

If you are fat should you lift and do cardio and fix nutrition or not lift at all?

>>42257707

My argument against cutting in my situation is that I've basically been on a 3 year cut with no strength gains (but fat loss).

This might be broscience and I'm talking out of my ass but I feel like restricting my caloric intake for so long has had a negative effect on my testosterone.

Thoughts?

I have no time for this shit. Just bulk straight there and lift. Don't cut, you'll be weak. Be strong and big, bulk now

I'm a skinnyfat and a noob to lifting. Basically what I've been doing for the last 2 months is eating at a very slight deficit below my TDEE and making sure I get a shit ton of protein (on top of cutting out junk food and cutting down carbs). My lifts have been increasing nicely for now since I'm a noob, but it's too early for me to see any substantial change physically because, again, only two months. I guess I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing until I start to stall on my lifts, and then consider whether I want to bulk or cut substantially.

>>42257922
I wouldn't jump to those conclusions... Most people who are really fat do have to cut for years, and nobody gains strength on a cut.

Also, carrying fat for years will also fuck with your hormones, so your best best is to get in actual shape regardless.

If you're worried get a blood test.

>>42257947
I was a skinnyfat that cut to near aushwitz. I went through a bulk and just finished, but I feel like I gained too much fat.

Do I just cut/bulk again and keep doing this until I made it?

>>42257922
If anything losing all that fat will make your test increase.

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Time to bulk?

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>>42257992
you ate too fucking much and did way too little. good job. soon you'll be boogie sized.

>>42258002
KEEP CUTTING

>>42257922
>>42258001
Btw I'm not kidding, fat aromatizes testosterone to estrogen. With less fat more test remains. Also less estro which works as a negative feedback cycle on the hypothalamus and has the other obvious negative effects of high estro.

>>42257832
Manlet, you have no idea how much hungry skeleton need to bulk

>>42257862
>I feel like my progress has stagnated. I'm at 179 coming from ~210.
I think you should be able to keep cutting at at least an 1lb/week rate, maybe lower your kcals, height + weight based TDEE calculators can be off by a couple hundred. I honestly have no idea about the metabolism crash, but I have been losing weight for 4 months too without slowing down (200 lb to 160), and I don't think your metabolism would get fucked if you didn't go overboard with your deficit.

>>42258002
Your chest is flatter than an Asian girl. Bulk NAO

>>42256375
Was this guy just like "fuck chest exercises senpai"? Why his is chest so shit? Never seen this before in my life.

>>42258002
ye

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Should I continue down to 130lbs or start clean bulking?

>>42254654
Thank you op you are a good person and I hope this helps people

>>42255850
Holy fuck dude, you're like 30-40 lbs underweight. I'm your height. Lift and bulk son

>>42258097
Yeah you're still a fat fuck

>>42258002
I want to squeeze your waist, but like in a completely straight, platonic way

>>42258097
I'd bulk. That loose skin needs to be filled, it looks weird. Also
>5'7
I'm so sorry

>>42255074
Visible abs without cheat lighting and flexing

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>tfw skinny fat, tiny arms, neck but belly
>lift for one year, eat normally, lil pump, its ok
>do 6month circuit training while eating a bit less, LIETRALLY NOTHING HAPPEN

>be me, july 2017, i meet some smart dude in gym, that if increase my carbs intake, i will blow up
>1month of training at 3200kcal for 80kg 185cm, 400c 240p 70fats, creatine, i literally exploded, i literally can see the difference, even tho i still have a little belly, i dont care since im gaining so much mass actually

tldr just eat a lot and lift and stfu

>>42258709
>400 carbs
>ever
>1 month of training
>"a little belly"
>lul dude u just like eat science and knowledge doesnt exist dude lul

Fuck off, fat fuck.

>>42258761
>not eating atleast 400g of carbs
show me your body you dyel fagot

>>42258835
You're a fucking kid, dude. Here's a tip: there's a limit to the amount of muscle your body can gain, and it's very, very little and slow. Those "gains" you made in a month are pure fucking fat. You're a fat loser.

I lift for four years and jump rope every day. I would unironically kick your fat ass and then fuck whatever hag of a wife you manage to score in front of you.

>>42258876
still waiting to see a picture with timestamp

>>42258917
Says the fat fuck with no pic. Is this you? >>42258709

Nice hips there, Sally.

>>42254866
BRAPSPUTIN AYYYY

>>42258931
This

>>42258709
Fuck off retard

>go into this thread to see what's the best option for me to start since I'm skinny everywhere except my belly
>arguing quickly ensues and I start getting mixed messages
welp

>>42259309
Post a picture and it's pretty easy to know.

>>42259309
Same. I'm 6'6" and 176lbs. Zero muscles. Currently calculating with 3100kcal per day thanks to 1/2 GOMAD, but I don't know shit and this is probably a worthless plan.

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>>42259325
plz be gentle

I'm sucking my belly in in this photo and I'm too lazy to take another one

How am I supposed to make strength gains without a good bulk? Why not just bulk and then cut? It's not like I, for one, am so fat I can't do cardio and feel healthy

>>42259400
You seem pretty skinny, if you took one leaning sideways like this guy >>42258097 it'd be easier to see your waist and tell wether you're skinnyFAT or not.

But from that pic, I'd calculate whatever you're eating right now and then slowly increase (about a 100 cals per week) until you're at a 300 cal surplus on a clean bulk. You don't wanna increase it all at once cause it can trigger fat gain.

>>42259400
You have absolutely no fat on your stomach, you have no abs because your abs are fucking atrophied.
Eat a fucking sandwich and go lifting

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I've been cutting for over 3 months and lost a big gut, but these last few pounds in the love handles are not coming off easily

What's the best diet to cut on being a skinny fat anon?

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>>42259325
Not that guy but pls help, sorry for the aggressive body hair.

>>42259477
Few things you can do. Are you counting your carbs at all? Are they high? And what form of cardio you do?

>>42259506
Low carb generally works good to get rid of fat. Also training fasted can accelerate the process. However I'd only do "low carb" as in restricted carb intake, not zero carbs, because zero carb diets are fucking hell.

>>42259540
No I don't count carbs but they are pretty low since I'm doing high protein diet. I'm doing a crossfit class 4 days a week for the last few weeks. Before that just elliptical for cardio and lifting my myself

>>42259540
Would less than 100g be okay?

>>42259524
Definitely would cut, specially if you've been lifting for a while and are past the beginner gains phase.

Your cutting plans should be a bit like this: start by decreasing calories and eating clean, do cardio and be consistent until your abs are mostly visible. Then you can increase cardio intensity and ab training to get rid of it once and for all.

>>42259575
I'm afraid crossfit wouldn't get you much... But in any case increase whatever cardio you do.

For instance, treadmill is more intense than bike, and rope jumping is more intense than treadmill. If you get beastly at jumping rope you WILL get shredded.

>>42259576
Yeah, when I was cutting I got around 70g or a bit less daily. Enough to give me energy so I didn't feel dead and enough to burn fat.

>>42259607
Thanks a bunch man.

>>42259607
They do have cardio in each class but I'll try doing extra cardio on my own. They've had me jumping rope a lot and I actually like it

>>42259643
No problem my friend.

>>42259657
It's by far the most fun form of cardio for me. I hated it when I first started 'cause I was fat and couldn't jump 30 seconds, but as you get good it's kind of addictive. Just don't give up.

>>42259432
>>42259454
I'll have to take an updated one when I go home next, because I can guarantee that I've gained belly weight in the past few months.

My diet right now consists of:
An 8 or 12 count nugget, a medium or large fry, and a large frosted lemonade from Chik-Fil-A for Lunch (sizes depend on how hungry I am) and whatever the cafeteria has that day paired with a salad covered in ranch and some pineapple and cantaloupe for dinner.
I have to eat at least one fatty meal a day so I can take my accutane pill per my dermatologist, and it's usually been either been Chik-Fil-A or Cane's.

>>42259674
thanks anon. any other specific advice based on my pic? >>42259477

what's my bf%?

>>42259607
would you say using the elliptical is a waste of time?
i'm doing PPL and i use it on leg days but i'm still rocking a belly. it's not too bad and not really notcieable considering my arms. chest and back got bigger but my love handles are pretty big.
thinking about running everyday for a bit.
starting working out seriously two months ago and i'm 6'3 and around 230,

>>42259694
I'd guess around, or a bit above, 20%. If you're ever curious get a DEXA scan, it's the only reliable test.

In any case the most important thing is diet, like BY FAR. So you gotta eat clean until you actually enjoy eating clean. There are also a lot of nuances, like the way you cook your food can influence how many calories it has and how healthy it is. You can cook something healthy into something unhealthy, and lots of people do this without realizing. So this is the most important change.

>>42259731
I've used it a few times and enjoyed it, I think it might be a bit above the bike in terms of intensity, but I've never seen the stats on it so I may as well be bullshitting from personal experience.

Running is good, but I'd advise running mostly on the streets if possible, you will feel a HUGE difference from a treadmill. And if at all available, like I said, rope jump or practice swimming because those are insane burners.

In any case definitely do cardio, it makes you feel good and gets you healthy.

>>42259732
the general idea is that cooking veggies increases their calories, right? i'll try to keep that in mind. is it really just a matter of calorie count?

ive also been taking protein, creatine, and a bunch of supplements

>>42259795
Veggies generally have low calories in general, but the way you cook your chicken, for example, can make a huge difference. And it's mostly calorie count, yeah. I'd also try to get good at doing stomach vacuums, they're an absolute classic and great for seeing some nice changes as you slim down. Taking Whey on a cut is also good as it gives you protein on restricted calories, you can blend it along with some pumpkin seeds for example or avocado, both low carb and with good fats.

>>42259775
yeah thanks for the advice
the only reason i started on the elliptical was becasue my heart was so unhealthy,i would get winded 5 minutes into the elliptecial session and would damn near have a heart attack on the treadmill when i first started.
Now I can last around 30 minutes on the elliptecal, but that's only because when i first started working out i would run my ass off on that thing every time i hit the gym.
I stopped doing so because i increased my routine intensity but these love handles gotta go.
i will definitely try street running and treadmills now. I've already been thinking about changing to a better gym, solely so i can swim.

should I do cardio as a skinny fat? I lift 3 days a week but my stomach is fucking massive. Just started my cut so not really sure if I should add running to my routine

>>42259824
ill look into the stomach vacuums. would have never thought of that.

how should i cook my chicken?

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Lost about 20kg so far, sitting just under 78kg in this photo at 181cm height with a waistline around 85cm. How much longer should I cut? I was aiming to cut until about a 30 inch waist or so, and then lean bulk from there, or is that a shit idea?
Also, do you guys reckon I'm under 20% body fat yet?

>>42259845
Dude, what I love to do is wait until nighttime, when the streets are really calm, and then run through some really nice neighborhoods. It's amazingly peaceful and a great cardio workout, and if you're self conscious there isn't much to worry about. I also love seeing the huge, beautiful houses. Swimming is even better than rope btw.

>>42259881
Why only 3 days?

>>42259884
Oh man, depends on how nutty you are about it. I for example use NO oil, sauce etc whatsoever, I simply cook it with a little bit of salt. I'm terrified of oil.

>>42259607
Alright sounds good man. I don't expect fat results but hopefully my energy would be good

>>42259909
oh i thought you meant like baking vs skillet

>>42259909
well 3 days in the gym, I do minor calisthenics and dumbbells exercises every other day. I only gained like a inch in my arms since I've started but 4 inches across waist.

>>42256375
Your abs should peak up at single diget bf. I'm betting your fat isn't as bad as you think. A lot of ab pics you see have people with single diget bf or dehydrated posers with photo tricks out the ass.

Eat a few days at maintenance to jump start the metabolism again. Also are you doing ab work? Exceeding main isn't going to get rid of the fat.

And honestly, you sound pretty underweight already as I'm 5'9 and 155lbs is considered a good weight for me. I weigh 183 lbs, about 14%bf and can already make out hints of my abs.

>>42259902
Maybe right at 20%. Keep going and you'll see real leanness, that alone will motivate you the rest of the way.

>>42259954
Just what goes in when actually preparing it. Oil can increase calories for example, so let's say you eat without counting for it, you might overeat accidentally.

>>42259930
It will, probably. As far as energy goes, make some green tea at night, leave it in the fridge and take it to the gym with you in the morning to drink during the workout. It's known to help burning fat, but regardless, it has caffeine, and will pump you up in the morning between sets.

>>42259958
You're definitely overeating for the amount you're training then.

>>42254654
Disagree if you're tall, I'm 6'4 and although i originally cut down so i wasnt a fat ass, become skinny fat after. You dont want to cut youll just look skelly. If your tall eat around maintenance, focus on getting stronger and stacking some size on.

Being taller its harder to look like you lift so aim for a bit over a year of stacking on size longer is obviously better. Youll be recomping this whole time and looking better and better rather then a skelly. Then do a cut. Can always throw in some cardio to speed up the recomp. But strength and size should be your number 1 priority.

Rememeber its a marathon not a race. Unless you're a manlet youll look good quicker. But in the long ran us lanklets will tower over you

>>42258097
grats on the nipples staying where they should be

>>42260029
My current diet is so easy, and ingrained I am likely going to have trouble bulking, so further weight loss should be easy. Also, the thought of further facial gains keeps me going.
Its just a little annoying stagnating on my lifts. But I should be happy, they are stagnating, and by symmetrical strength standards, they are intermediate (granted im not deadlifting or squating just yet, will be when home gym is up and operational, though)

>>42254906
This, my maintenance is 2300 and I eat like 1500 a day and lift more every workout. Probably not gonna last a while but at least I didn't have to put on unnecessary bodyfat

6ft skinnyfat at 230lbs (basically just have a giant belly with twinky arms and fat legs) so I guess OP is directed at me. I have been cutting as it so happens.

>>42260122
Make bulking easy later on, easy it on your body with a reverse diet that goes up 100 cals every week. You'll never even see it. And yeah, don't worry about strength right now, the gains are other kinds of gains.

How much of a deficit should you cut on?

>>42255280
Whenever you have to ask that question to yourself it means its time to just eat maintenance.

>>42255850
slow bulk until 160lbs

>>42260161
How fast do you want results?

>>42255850
nigger why the fuck would you cut? You would literally turn into dust. Just clean bulk until you're mammoth mode.

>>42260211
I'm 84kg and want to get to around 70kg. I'm not sure what a reasonable timeframe for that is, maybe 4 or 5 months?

>>42260246
Calculate your daily necessary intake using a few different methods to get a real sense of what it is (some may be too low or too high). Then cut down about 300 from that and see what happens. As you progress or stall you'll instinctively know what to do.

>>42256375
I'm confused. Does he look green because of the lighting and the color of the walls, or is he actually producing chlorophyll?

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>>42256928
Are you seriously being serious to cut until 19-20 BMI? Under 18.5 is anorexic.

Would like to know because I'm 6'3" and I would have to get down to 160 to have a 20 BMI.

Was planning to cut to 190lbs (started at 235lbs 3 months ago) currently 210...

>>42260294
It's like a flamingo. It's pink because it eats a shit load of shrimp. A vegan is sickly green because they only eat veggies. Also because they are always on the verge of being sick.

>be 250lbs
>6'
>20% body fat
watafug
what am I lads

>>42256894
>vegan
Figures.
There will be no gains for you vegetable cuck :^)

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>>42255850

BULK
U
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>133 lbs (60kg)
>5'9'' (175cm)
>17% body fat (scientifically accurate)

Bulk until when? weight and bf% wise

>>42255850
I'm sorry about your time in auschwitz

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>>42254654

6'8" 180 bulk or cut?

>>42255807
You can yea, but its a fucking retarded idea

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>try to cut by eating less+working out
>stuck at the same weight for a week and a half
>have a "fuck it" moment and eat like shit and drinks lots of alcohol for almost a week
>weigh myself
>two pounds lighter
>wtf
>weigh myself multiple times, in the morning and after eating/well hydrated to minimize water weight
>actually -2lbs

I don't understand.

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>>42255573
>"still fat but doesnt care since deadlift is above 4pl8"
>he takes his shirt off and no one believes he even lifts

>>42256049
You aren't skinny fat why are you even posting here? read the sticky you massive faggot

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>>42261412
180lbs at 6'8 and you're asking whether to bulk or cut.. From a fellow 6'8 person, bulk, I was skinnyfat and bulked and I look "slimmer" now than when I started because I got a big chest, back and legs. Lifting is about an illusion, people still have skinnyfat bellies but they have muscle around it to drag away from the belly being the biggest thing.

>>42262001
Oh yes, I forgot lifting wasn't about actually feeling good, but instead rushing to trick other people and being forever ashamed of having a gut.

I'm saying this the nicest way, please don't ever give anyone advice.

>>42261831
> it's another i didn't count calories correctly post

retard. google plateaus. unless you are an interdimensional being you can't transcend the laws of thermodynamics. weighing yourself once a week is pretty stupid already because weight depends on tons of other factors. i've found that weighing myself bi-weekly produces the most accurate results. you probably had already lost that weight.

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5'7 manlet and went from 193 lbs -> 149 lbs over the course of 7 months.
I've still got love handles and belly fat, how much more lbs do I lose? 10 lbs?
I posted in a bulk/cut thread a couple of days ago and I had two anons tell me to just bulk already, but my mindset it still based off of what OP is saying. ;_;

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What do I do with this?
Yes it's sideways

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Bulk or cut?

I was thinking of bulking for about a month more and then cutting.

>>42262061
The fact that so many anons in this thread got HUGELY OFFENDED trying to justify/defend their love handles should tell you how happy people are about their bodies here.

Cut until it's over. Don't set a goal. It's done when it's gone. Then gain RIGHT.

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Bulk or cut? Help

>>42262067
>>42262092
Both of you cut.

>>42262067
>>42262082
>>42262092
have you ever seen someone with low body fat % and decent muscle build? cut slightly and eat a shit load of proteins. all of you are perfectly healthy though, but you have to lose that belly fat if you want to be aesthetic.

If I'm an absolute beginner to weightlifting, should I avoid cutting for a while even if I have a moderately large gut?

>>42262104
>>42262131
Thank you. Should 1800 calories a day be enough?
Also, will this effect my lifts since I'm eating at a defecit?

Bonus dumb question: do I eat the same amount everyday regardless if I'm working out or not?

>>42262057
What are you talking about?? If you lift and eat in a small surplus with noobie gains and general gains you'll have size there rather than being twig thin at 180 and having a gut. At a beginner stage you would probably gain more muscle than fat and having more muscle on your body not only can recomp it but actually lead to losing fat easier..

My advice is sound it's just different to people saying anyone with a belly should cut. The subject at hand is 180lbs at 6'8, I'm 205 at 6'8 and I still consider myself pretty average at best. I was once 168 when I started so I know for a fact this dudes got a tiny belly and skinny. Small surplus, lift with Prog Overload, gain muscle, look better and make it easier to cut months down the line. Getting over the hurdle of gaining weight and not thinking you're just gonna look more fat is the hard part. Best decision I ever made was bulking in a 200 surplus when skinnyfat. So please, don't HMU with the "please don't ever give anyone advice" when I'm the same height as the dude, been his weight and have given sound advice. If he wants to cut then whatever but he's asking a question.

>>42262158
>having more muscle on your body will lead to losing fat faster

Brofessor, I think you're needed elsewhere. Someone, somewhere doesn't know that NoFap increases testosterone.

>>42262181
It's not broscience bud. If you have more muscle mass on your body, your BMR will be higher at base to sustain that muscle mass. That's not really a difficult concept. Do you think 200 lbs fat dude vs 200lbs more muscular dude will have the same maintenance calories?

>>42262092
Bulk but in a 200 surplus. Follow a good program and progressive overload and you'll be fine. Do that for about 2-3 months then cut.

>>42262142
How large of a gut?

>>42262061
personally i would do the same advice as above, 200 surplus bulk. If you don't like your love handles though then cut, it's personal choice after all.

>>42262218
>That's not really a difficult concept

Yet you seem to struggle with it, because you make no sense. Also, you're trying to give advice based on anecdotal evidence (I DID IT) when you yourself admitted it just hides your gut.

How about you post a picture of yourself so we can see how slim you look?

>>42262238
Yeah it is anecdotal evidence. The best decision to bulk or cut is anecdotal as well, people are asking, I'm answering from my perspective. Yes he'll still have fat in his midsection that's not something I've denied. If he has muscle mass in other areas of his body including his midsection though, you don't think that's gonna look better? Sure you might think that him cutting (even though we have 0 pictures of the individual in question) would be better and that's your opinion. I'm giving mine from a side of a person who's the same height and has been the same weight and lower due to when I was on roaccutane.

It isn't a difficult concept. If he lean bulked and obviously gained a tiny bit more fat, he'd at least have musculature on him to make his BMR be higher thus making it "easier" to cut down as he'd be able to eat more food and have more fun in the process of doing so. If he's 6'8 and 180 he's probably pretty skinny and will have to drop his calories to a pretty low number even for his 6'8 frame.

Understand that I'm taking into account the dude is 6'8, not 5'9, bulking and gaining some fat but also muscle will look a hell of a lot better in his situation.

The only picture I have is me sat down resting between sets in the gym, I don't take many pictures of myself.

If you cut first, you are going to need to bulk afterwards

If you bulk first, you are going to need to cut afterwards

You'll have to do both sooner or later. It's all about personal preference.

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>>42258097
>61 kg
>I'm 84 right now
I have a long way to go don't i

>>42262296
You're completely missing the fact that he could be 6'8 and 180 and either much skinnier or much fatter than you were at that weight, which is entirely possible, and thus giving advice which is COMPLETELY anecdotal and assuming the guy is literally you. Not only that, but he'd have to bulk for a long time to even be able to eat that much more food on his cut, so your angle really makes no goddamn sense at all. It really makes none

This notion is also wrong >>42262312

A lot of top coaches and athletes don't even believe in bulking/cutting anymore nowadays. It's more of a bodybuilding thing, you know, those guys with the huge stacks of steroids. Most of them believe in simply growing slowly and carefully, and staying lean/in good shape always, which is entirely possible btw if you're leading a healthy lifestyle. And this should be your goal, to live a long-term, healthy lifestyle.

>>42259607
>doing more ab training will target abdominal fat

>>42262366
It can help burn more fat, yes. There's a reason arms are always the first thing to go on a cut; they're by far the most used. There was even a recent study that seemed to find some truth in spot reduction.

But yeah, prove me wrong by greentexting.

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>>42262344
This whole thread is anecdotal, it's people giving their advice on what they've experienced...? Yes he could possibly look different but are we willing to go out on a limb here and think he's gonna be a fat fuck at 180? I was skinny fat at 168, I'd try and find a pic but it's difficult as shit to find. He can cut if he wants and can bulk if he wants but he's asking advice. You're the one trying to dismantle my advice in favour of what exactly?

Yes he would have to bulk a long time at a small surplus, he's gain muscle and some fat. I highly doubt he's fat at 180 6'8, honestly put the 2 together, he's way underweight on average. He probably has little to no muscle mass, I'm advising he gains slowly and gets some muscle mass before he considers cutting because I believe from my experience it's the best option.

Fuck sake were these replies really at all necessary? If you have a different approach then reply to him not me. I doubt highly he's fat at his height and weight hence my first reply. If he doesn't wanna do it then fuck it but he asked for an opinion and I gave mine.

Just for anecdotal evidence here's me sat down at 205 still looking skinny due to my height. This is why I have my opinion.

>>42255573
My favorite part about this picture is that the ceiling is too low for OHP and you can see that he has no shoulders because of it.

>>42262092
H/w? you look like me

>>42262407
>You're the one trying to dismantle my advice in favour of what exactly?

I'm "dismantling your advice" because it's goddamn ludicrous and hilarious to suggest that people should try to grow the rest of their body to CONCEAL the huge belly, instead of losing the belly. That's swiping dirt under the carpet.

Also, you don't look skinny in that picture, and your arm is very conveniently covering your belly, which doesn't work much, because it seems to rest quite high.

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>>42254654
Still skinnyfat? I think I want to drop 5 pounds until September then bulk up over fall/winter

t. 145 pounds 4'9"

>>42262389

1. Literally all humans use their hands all the time, the body knows it so it stores less fat there and it's the first to go

2. there is always an arm fat to abdominal fat ratio

3. The amount of fat on our arms varies from person to person, Some people have a bigger arm to abdominal fat ratio(i know someone who plays a lot of PC games and has fat fingers and forearms)

But yeah sure lets make all fat people do crunches and sit ups to burn that belly fat!

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>>42262483
5'9*

>>42262483
keep cutting

>>42262483
>>42262492

I was about to congratulate you on admitting you were 4'9 you fucking bastard

>>42262490
>But yeah sure lets make all fat people do crunches and sit ups to burn that belly fat!

You do know pretending to be retarded gets you nowhere, right?

Training abs should be a thing in your routine already. What was said in the thread is that the diet + cardio combination is by far the most important and, after you're past a certain point, increasing the intensity of cardio and ab training can get you through the final push.

You're purposely making yourself ignorant to refute something that was never said by anybody, and worse yet, being an unironical retard in the process.

Go to sleep, you've done enough damage.

>>42254654
I lost 15 lbs in 2 weeks by only getting rid of soda, sugar, cakes and sweets in general, really easy, also doing moderate calisthenics.

>>42262440
Alright I give up, if you think the dudes gonna have a huge belly at 6'8 and 180 lbs then I don't know what to say really. It probably would look that way because he has little musculature hence my advice to actually build a base. He's underweight at his height for most ideal weight calculations and personally I'd agree without actually seeing his picture.

I'm not skinny I'm about 16% body fat, the term skinny i'm using is I don't look like I have much musculature because of my height, not actual skinnyness. My forearm is resting on my hip/bellybutton area, I'm all limbs.

I could upload a picture with my top off and you'd claim I was sucking it in, personal account is that i had a bigger belly at 168 than I do now, I actually have a faint line/upper abdominals showing through when I had fuck all at 168. I've not cut at all during the process.

Can you stop replying now and give further advice to other people in the thread? You disagree with my opinion, that's fine.

>>42262539
I don't give a single fuck about the dude, man, what you said was

>Lifting is about an illusion, people still have skinnyfat bellies but they have muscle around it to drag away from the belly being the biggest thing.

Literally your quote. And your inability to admit that this is dumb caused this entire chain of replies. I didn't rag on your picture too much and I didn't treat you like an absolute moron, but you should be able to recognize dumb shit you said. Lifting isn't about "illusion."

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>>42262531
>literally twisting words to come up with something to refute
I never said training abs is a bad thing, i simply pointed out your flawed logic of "Do more ab training to burn that belly fat"
Forgive me if i forgot the fact that anyone who lifted dumbbells is a professional trainer who can't ever be wrong

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>>42262531
Also
>rebbit spacing
back to r/fitness you go

>>42262601
The post you replied to LITERALLY SAYS, and starts with

>start by decreasing calories and eating clean, do cardio and be consistent

You're a fucking retard who enjoys being a fucking retard, a cancerous one at that. But am I making these words up, too? Should I print it for you?

>>42262557
Skinnyfat bellies is the same as any stomach, fact is if you have muscle mass on the rest of your body it won't look so dreadful. It's not dumb at all. I had I would argue a bigger stomach than I do now and I've not cut a single time as I've said above and that's 37lbs difference. Is it bigger? Probably, but it certainly doesn't look that way because I'm not skinny all over anymore which is what I'm saying. If he wants to cut then bulk that's a good option too and infact he may even gain muscle as a raw beginner regardless of surplus or deficit. I chose my path and I think it was a good decision and I can relate to him more.

I feel if he gained muscle and a small amount of fat he'd look a lot better and overall his BF% would be lower if done right. I've also looked at people who have 15-20% body fat and if you take away surrounding musculature they look exactly like a skinnyfat person, myself included. This is why I say it's an illusion, of course theres muscle there so it's not smoke and mirrors but it takes your attention away from the biggest point being your belly on your body.

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>>42262627
>This much samefagging
or you just didn't bother reading the other posts, but more likely a pathetic same fag

>>42262638
People with 20% look bad and visibly fat, dude. The only one they fool is themselves. Everyone can tell, just look at this thread.

Anyway, if you felt that was the best for you, then great, really good for you, but a person who is already unhappy with a stomach would simply stay unhappy with the stomach, because the stomach is the point of discontent. Having fat around your waist is uncomfortable, anyone who's been there know that. That is why that's not always the best advice. It depends on the person. You seem to not mind it.

>>42262615
what the hell happened to 4chan, literally fucking anything will make you autists scream reddit at this point

me thinks thou doth protest too much

>>42262483
Can I get a bodyfat% estimate too senpais?

>>42262232
What kind of program would you recommend? I've been doing SL 5x5 for about five months now and some of my lifts (particularly OHP and Bench) are starting to stall

>>42262483
>>42262699
You're getting there, man, I'd say about 15 maybe? The love handles are visible so it's hard to tell, but your stomach itself is already starting to look flat. Anyway, it's close.

>>42262699
idk 14%?

>>42262711
>>42262713
Thanks!

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>>42262702
I recommend any well known beginner program. When I was 168 and first bulking I used ICF 5x5, I could only run it a few months before it was just too much in one day taking 2-3 hours to complete.

I'd say my most successful routine was Fierce 5, I think Fierce 5 with AMRAP set on the final set is really great which is carried over from Greyskull. The added benefit of AMRAP will help as well with your stalls when you deload by 10%. If you're stalling on Bench, check your diet, are you bulking? Check your sleep too as it plays a huge part. Then if that's in check then deload by 10%, use AMRAP set on your final sets and see if you break the plateau.

I've only recently changed from a complete beginner routine to my own version of PHUL which has proper pull push ratio (roughly 2:1) and 4x8-10 on my Hypertrophy days rather than 3-4.


>tldr: if you're a beginner which I assume you are. Fierce 5 or Greyskull LP, or use AMRAP sets on the final set of Fierce 5 sets. Particularly helpful for deloads to build volume/conditioning.

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>>42254654

>>42262665
Dunno where my reply went but I agree with cutting if you're that unhappy about stomach. I also agree with small surplus bulking is you have the mentality for it. My illusion comment is based upon if you have bigger arms/legs/back your stomach won't be sticking out like a sore thumb anymore, it'll still be there (although through my experience I got more defined even with the 30lb gain now having a line and top 2 abs showing).

It's entirely based on the person, I don't think it's always the best advice but I think given the nature of the guy being so tall and so light and I'd say, underweight, it would be ill advised to lose any more weight.

Eat maintenance at least and just lift and noobie gains will at least help out.

>>42256375
He chose the wrong shade of lipstick.

>>42260530
Poast ya bahdy

>>42262779
Thanks a lot for the advice

>>42262702
>>42262779
Also to cont. don't be too concerned about your bench and OHP stalling, they're the 2 hardest lifts to progress. That being said I think SL 5x5 isn't optimal at all. Lacks shoulder work and hamstring/pull work.

Fierce 5 with final set AMRAP
or
Greyskull LP

2 routines that are more optimal given your current level of training and no doubt results you want; getting a good foundation all over for a beginner to progress onto intermediate routine.

Both the routines will hit your shoulders and arms more.

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>Get into running to burn off calories instead of changing diet because no self-control
>Supposedly burning 700 extra calories every day
>Not losing weight because I guess I'm eating more to make up for the calorie burn
WHY AM I SUCH A WEAK-MINDED FUCK

I guess I need to give another go to myfitnesspal.

>>42262844
No problem buddy best of luck. Best advice I can give is just to stick to one of the routines I mentioned, concentrate on getting your calories in and resting and I assure you results will come. I think Fierce 5 is the easier routine to just pick up and use as it's already written for you. I've used it and gotten results although not as noticeable as some others given my height (6'8 dude posting above).

Everythings written for you anyway to follow, deloads etc. If you feel like full body isnt for you anymore or you're an intermediate strength standards then use an Upper Lower or PPL. As said above I use PHUL modified by myself for shoulder health.

>>42262862
It's a marathon man, learn from it.

Best of luck.

>>42259690
put money on it if you stopped consuming milk you'd have no acne. I fell for the accutane meme and have permanent impaired version cause of it. Mild but still there. Not had acne for years since I cut out dairy.

>>42262943
>permanent impaired version cause of it
what is your symptom?
I went for accutane and I have halos around bright lights now. And I still have acne.

>>42262862
Have you tried keeping carbs/fat under like 75, boosting protein to 150.

Works for me. Who knows, might work for you.

>>42262956
I have short sightedness, 0.5 right eye 0.75 left with light sensitivity. I was told this could be a possible symptom of Accutane/Vit A poisoning which is basically what it is and playing video games/not using enough eyedrops caused it imo.

Honestly I stopped consuming any dairy products as for some reason I didn't realise I was lactose intolerant til I noticed that when I started lifting weights eventually that my increased dairy intake was causing diarrhoea. I quit drinking dairy and bloating, smelly gas and diarrhoea stopped as well as the added benefit of no more cystic acne. I quit roaccutane weeks later with about 6-12 months left of treatment and I only have normal spots very rarely from not washing my face quick enough after training or just picking/stress.

I recommend you at least try it and hope it changes things. I also don't eat gluten due chin/jawline spots but that has only been recently and they were very minimal just something that I noticed. The milk acne was yellow cystic acne that left scars.

>>42256375
this must be what they call 'untreated mental illness mode'

>>42263071
desu he doesn't look that bad, his chest genetics blow ass and you can't help that insertions wise. He's got a fucking odd head and face but if you remove that from the equation it's not bad. His BF% is really low so he's gonna look more flat too, Richard is a pretty swell dude outside of his hatred for people who justify eating meat

>>42262492
whats your bf% here? I'm 5'9" and 145 @ 16% and my belly sticks waaaaay fookin out there

>>42262956
>>42263055
just to continue, yeah you sound like you're having what I had. I think accutanes a fucking load of shit and everyones acne is caused by something, my personal standpoint is that it's not hormones that cause it really, sure the odd spot as a teen due to high fluctuations but they're not fucking volatile timebombs, it's not one second youre low test next you're high test. Diet related is definitely a thing and people react differently to shit. Most remedies I've seen is eating more Vitamin A foods, eating no dairy, eating no gluten. Both inflammatory and milk in general is pretty shit and most of the population are lactose intolerant for a reason.

>>42263055
I rarely consume dairy in appreciable amounts in the first place.
My acne was well into "severe and cystic" territory, but since has calmed down and flares out in response to stress - prior to exams I always have a pretty bad breakout and over summer break my skin is about as good as it gets. I've more or less given up, hoping that I grow out of it as I'm still young.
I did some research and found that vitamin A supplements often can cure the symptoms I'm having. I wonder if accutane (essentially vitamin A concentrate, which is why they tell you not to drink while on it because vitamin A is liver-metabolized) fucked with my body's vitamin A uptake efficiency, causing me to become deficient in vitamin A. Apparently vit A deficiency, along with those side effects can cause corneal ulcers (maybe don't have them though - I have very good vision, no other symptoms described) + permanent damage, hoping whatever symptoms I am having are curable - not a bad chance either. I'm going to buy a vitamin A supplement tomorrow and see if it helps. My vision symptoms didn't onset until after I stopped accutane for some time - it would make sense. Man, I really hope I can get my normal vision back.
Did you become shortsighted + light sensitive while taking or after taking accutane? I'm lucky enough to have 20/15 vision, have for a long time, so accutane didn't mess with my day vision. I'm not convinced it was vit A poisoning in my case, I was very careful with my liver while taking it, and my symptoms didn't have immediate onset.

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>>42254654
162lbs,5'8 ft
18% body fat according to a bf scale. Just started lifting a few weeks ago (lifitng 3 days a week). I'm extremly active doing martial arts4 days a week, and a physical labor job. I am no starting to plan my meals to control my weight. I have legit gyno. Should I bulk or cut first?

>>42257569
1lbs of muscle per month is apparently normal

You lose fat and muscle way faster than you can put muscle on.

Question, I'm just starting out, should I be lifting everyday or every other day or what? Should I mix in cardio?

...man you guys are just fucking stupid... if you look "skinny" and you're not strong, bulk.clean bulking is also a meme do lean bulking you fucking idiots, who the hell goes through eating nothing but "clean"foods it's calories in calories out, I swear you guys are fucking dumb. Also if you havent been lifting a year don't consider cutting at all please idiots do your body a favor please.. my god you're all retarded or mentally impaired I swear use some common sense idiotic people....

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bulk or cut?

>>42263961
lifting would be a good start

>>42263364
cut you skinnyfat fuck

>>42263961
bulk you skeleton fuck

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>>42254654
Thank you OP

Hopefully it's not too late for me, trying to get rid of this stomach fat has been a pain

>>42256049
shave belly button

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This thread confuses the fuck outta me.shouls i Bulk or cut?

>>42262417
he's probably doing seated presses instead

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Cut, right? I'm 6'2'', or 6'3'', 160-165 lbs

>>42254866
it appears you forgot to remove your tripcode before posting on a board for grown men

>>42256375
He looks like he's taking a massive shit

>>42264351
You look like you're just beginning.
Get to the gym, lift heavy weights, and stop worrying about that stuff.

>>42264450
Maaaybe push it down to 150lbs, then bulk

>>42264351
>>42264450
cut

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>>42254654
I disagree. If you cut without gaining some muscles first, then you will become a skelletor and skelletors gain muscles way slower than mildly fat people.

And cutting becomes way easier once you have some decent muscles because your body burns more calories in general and your workouts are also more intense. Cutting as a dyel is nothing compared to cutting in musclefat mode. You might look slightly better on the short term if you start with a cut, but on the long run you will take longer to get ripped. Not to mention that women prefer dad bodies over weak skinny people with no muscles anyway.

Unless you are obese of course, then start with a cut to a healthy weight where you won't die of a heart attack in the next second.

>>42265136
desu second guy should cut, first guy should worry about that later

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173cm 66kg, around 18-20% BF. Been doing the program "Fierce 5 full body" for awhile. Cut or bulk? Been on 2350 calories per day for a week or two and think my weight is going down according to the scale. Thank you bruhs

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>>42265917
Side pic. Relaxed stomach and arms.

>>42265922
Did you forget to lift brah?

>>42265928
Nah. Was doing phraks VS for ages on a shit bulk and bulked too hard, then cut for some months and lost like 8kg or something, and here I am now. Advice?

>>42265942
In all honesty brah start over.
Get your diet in check, set yourself a tangible goal, follow a realistic beginner routine and keep at it for a good 6-8 months

>>42265917
>>42265922
Start by lifting weights

>>42265992
>>42266034
Yeah, sounds like a good plan honestly... harsh truth, but true.

So, assume that I should just bulk or something at like 250-350 caloric surplus and lift?

>>42266055
Considering you got fat last time and had to cut ye, be more conservative, you can always add 100 cals more after a couple of weeks if you need to

>>42266055
Yeah and make sure you get enough protein, read the sticky

I've been trying to get into this for the first time in my life. Generally skinny but a I have a gut now. I figure I need to cut but I literally have no idea how to count calories. Everything I'm eating is homemade. How am I supposed to know if I'm going over my limit?

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>>42258097
You look great desu. How long did this take you. I'm very proud of you Anon. Do a slow recomp or Slow clean bulk. You look Aesthetic and I think you're in otter mode or near it.

>>42258097
Damn, 5'6" at 150 pounds, you're an inspiration. Gotta start counting calories.

>>42266649
Count calories by putting in the amounts of each ingredient you put in into myfitnesspal divided by the portion you ate. Big pain in the ass, but if you make the same dishes regularly it is easy to memorize how many calories a dish is.

>>42266729
Thanks, anon. Took me a whole lot longer than it should have, as I developed a tendency to binge eat and didn't start lifting until I was about 50% done. Coming up on 10 months in total, I think.
>>42267549
Just be sure to lift a lot and eat plenty of protein. I'm sure you'll breeze through it once you get your wheels going.

>>42256049

BULK WHAT THE FUCK

BULK NOW