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Femanon Fitness General, Skincare Edition /fem-fg/

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This general is for the purpose of centralizing female presence in the board,
create a community-based advice/critique/support system built for femanons and by femanons,
where anons are free to participate too.
If this is your first time posting and you'll be asking for advice, please consider doing the following things
to advance your case :
>read the sticky, and explain in what way it hasn't given you the information needed, to justify for
your need to make this post.
>check out the imgur with the lists of books on the topic you're interested in. Read the ones specific
to your problem/question and if you don't find a solution/answer, come ask then.
>post stats that are relevant to what you're asking (height, weight, body fat %, current nutrition plan,
current objective, current exercise regimen,etc...)
>post a recent picture if you're looking for physique advice such as how to isolate a muscle group, or
what to work on given your genetics and proportions, or a body fat % estimate.
>state clearly what it is you're looking for in terms of information, and be as precise as possible.
>try and be concise too, it'll really help other people to not have to sift through unrelated, unasked for
stuff such as your personal life stories, and generally all the fluff we don't need to hear about.

Disclaimer : The sticky is a work in progress. We need as much information we can get. Feel free to post
new content to be added to the dropbox and request links to be added to the pastebin. We are going to need
a FAQ, but I'll leave that to make after a couple threads in, where we have a better idea of the general
enquiries most femanons have.

The essential links :
>Sticky : https://pastebin.com/1yggKWEH (embed)
>Ebooks : https://imgur.com/a/Qxxlq
>Infographics : https://imgur.com/a/54aqI
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>>42242407
>>42242403
>whores can't even make new threads properly
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On to today's topic: Want to start with good skincare? You should have a good routine, and products suitable for your skin type.
>Here's a basic routine to follow: https://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddiction/wiki/sca_routine
>And here is a guide to skin profile types: http://www.gardenofwisdom.com/profiles.html

I'm more of an expert on Asian skincare products since I live in Asia, so feel free to ask about them.

Men are welcome here to ask about skin problems too.
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i have some relationship problems i guess

>be me, a /d/eviant woman with a fetish for fat boys gaining weight
>be in a fwb relationship with a fat boy that i've been steadily fattening for two years
>my libido is through the roof, we have sex on the reg and he can't keep up with me
>end that relationship because i got a boyfriend
>love my bf but he isn't fat and doesn't want to be fat and i respect that
>crave for my ex-fwb's fat bod every fucking day, no joke

fucking help me i don't want to be a deviant
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Any good routines to grow ass?
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skincare routines?

mine~
AM:
wash with gentle cleanser
peptide serum
sunscreen moisturizer + rosehip seed oil
primer
makeup

PM:
peptide serum
lactic acid 5% HA 2% peel
advanced retinoid 2%
moisturizer + rosehip seed oil
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>>42242588
oh forgot i cleanse in pm with high quality organic olive oil :O

then the regular gentle face wash

i shower twice a day mostly because i think it's easier to wash face in the shower lol
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>>42242601
>>42242588

Yeah

Necking yourself xF
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>>42242535
i'm really liking strong curves. my glutes feel bigger to the touch and pic is me. keep in mind i started from basic white boy ass (no ass at all)
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I'm not a female but since the topic is related to skincare I hope femanons can help me. How do I get rid of acne scars? I got a lot of acne in my teens and like I a stupid idiot I popped all of them. Now my face looks like a minefield. Is there any way to salvage this? I heard laser is the only option for acne scars. I hope that isn't true.
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>>42242633
bio oil is supposed to help with scars. it's relatively expensive stuff but maybe worth it for you
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>>42242403
>>42242403

fuark
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>>42242403
Excuse me, whores, but who is this semen demon?
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>>42242633
unfortunately anon, scar tissue is permanent. It's fibrous tissue that has regrown and knit together after injury, forming an uneven shape. The only option to remove it is to disturb it again and knit the skin back together evenly, thus the laser surgery. It's impossible to regrow skin with just products, and don't believe anyone who's trying to tell you otherwise.
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>>42242719
Ana Cheri
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>>42242403
dayum that gurl is perfect
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Why does my wife's clitoris get huge when she is horny? Also, she is pregnant with our second child. Are lady boners real, or am I just imagining that her clit was swollen?
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>>42242719
>excuse me, whores,

kek I fucking hate this board and that I laughed at that
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>>42242795
they get swollen when there's a lot of arousal and its sensitive, plus since she's pregnant it's probably a lot more sensitive. she's not getting a boner, just have sex with her more often.
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>>42242644
im not trusting advice from a male who disguises as a female, same way i wouldnt trust a black man who calls himself white
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>>42242644
bio oil did jack shit for my scars, but I started using it as a night moisturizer and I look young as fuark with really soft skin
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after pooping, sometimes my anus doesn't clench quick enough to make all poop chunks fall into the toilet. leftover poop chunks will stick to the anus entrance and smear onto the toilet paper as i wipe. yesterday these leftover poop chunks were accidentally smeared into my vagina and even after a thorough douching, my vagina still smells like poo
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>>42242879
Stand up in a good morning stance and wipe away from vag then, you're asking for a urinary tract infection.
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>>42242736
thanks
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>>42242403
None of these posts are /fit/ related. Take this to reddit or /adv/
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>>42242840
You probably shouldn't trust black men, period.
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>>42242903
anon, has your vagina ever got poop in it too?
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>>42242840
this is completely fine with me. i don't really care if you have nice skin or not so whatever.
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>>42242929
suck a dick, half the threads on this board aren't fit related
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>tfw fell for SS meme

nah I kid, building leg muscles are fuckin great as a girl
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>>42243096
your legs look shapeless. this is why you dumb broads need to go to /soc/ if you're just going to post for attention.
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>>42243122
you're the one who clicked on this thread and looked for pics you dumb motherfucker
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>>42243096
Upper legs look nice but calfs could do with some work, also some cardio wouldnt hurt. Would still eat your ass tho
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>>42243147
how dense are you? the thread is on the first page with your blobby legs at the bottom. try again.
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>>42243147
you can't have that hairy of a stomach with unshapely legs AND be a cunt, pick one
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>>42242879
Start working out your ass and lose ass weight so you can poop properly without having any disturbances
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>>42242879
Don't use douches, just rinse with water and a cloth while taking a shower. When you poop try drinking some coffee before to give a slight laxative effect or squat on your throne. If you can't squat put a laundry basket under your feet while sitting.
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>>42242879
>wiping from back to front
what are you doing you disgusting creature
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>>42242502
okay mods you can ban all the girls now
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>>42243157
my calves are completely unflexed here, they're actually pretty big from me being a recovering /fat/ fuck. thanks anon, am lifting and also doing cardio so hopefully i'll be at my goal weight in some months.
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>>42242879
mods please

lets end this before its too late
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LOL GIRL HERE xDDDDDDDDD
I guess "femanon" mean faggot tranny thread general
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i douched with water and a dash of household bleach, and it actually did the trick (not enough bleach to be dangerous, just 1/2 tablespoon to 2 cups water ratio) hubby is pleased because yesterday he complained and asked if i farted when we were climbing into bed
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>>42242879
Disgusting and doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't you want all your your shit to make it into the toilet?
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I wanted to seriously talk but this is just a trap thread :/
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>>42243355
oh jesus please don't do that again
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>>42243374
It's not, girl posted her body above. Couple (archived) threads ago, grills were posting. Relax. State your question, or reply to another post.
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>>42243355
stop
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>>42243374
there was literally only one trap? don't be annoying.
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>>42242420
Nice! I overslept today felt generally sick because of too much caffeine which left me crashing early morning today, so I couldn't make the new thread.
Thanks for taking it further, and especially for going with the skincare edition idea, anon.
I'm definitely going to inspire myself from your teachings! Great work, overall!
If I'm not mistaken, we talked before in the /fat/ general (if you recall a girl using Neutrogena products, I do recall a girl telling me about sca there, could be you?).
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Okay. Anyway, 1) traps are not women.
2) I want to know if I can add accessories to SS for glutes and whether it's good for aesthetics or not.
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>>42243425
Nope, I'm not that anonnette. Just goes to show there's more girls on here than we think
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>>42242403
If you want to run a successful femanon general(lol) at least bully off any females(male). They'll just use it to flaunt their ''look at me I'm a real girl XDD'' bs.
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>>42243442
you can and should add accessories once you are comfortable with the main lifts. For me personally, I'm doing romanian deadlifts and dumbbell lunges on alternate days. you can consider squat variations like sumo squats and good mornings too.
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>>42243460
this post makes zero sense
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>>42243289
Still, if you're not already, you should add jump roping to your regimen. GOAT calf pumps and 600+ cals burned per hour.

Also:Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
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Who is the Thicc Kween in Op?
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Anyone here have any experience on powerlifting?
I'm trying to maintain my weight, but i find it that i'm only pushing thought my lifts when i'm gaining weight. To be honest, i really don't like the look of powerlifting chicks, but IG fitness routines are boring af.
tl;dr: How to maintain aesthetics while powerlifting?

Stats:
50kg
Bench: 50kg
DL: 80kg
Squat: 95kg

Pic related
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>>42242403
What is your ideal male body?

Thick?
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>mfw three bump limit hitting threads in, there's still butthurt faggots trying to derail this thread.

Get lost, fags! We run this thread.
You mad? Post glutes or GTFO.
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I am a girl on the internet is it gross to empty my boob juice into the sink? Sometimes I just don't have time to properly dispose of the day's accumulated boob juice so I just take my bra and dump it right into the sink, then use a dish rag to wipe up the runoff. Anyone else do this? I'm not weird right because my mom said it was weird to do this.
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>>42243516
thinn
skinny prettybois with nice butts
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Alternative exercises to barbell hip thrusts and glute bridges? I already lunge/do split squats, but I want something good for glutes. Not hamstrings like RDLs.
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>>42243515
fuck anonette...are you future me?
I'm currently 12lbs away from reaching end of cut (100lbs) so that I can start a big bulk on my first Texas Method program. I'm going to go for a 60 pounds controlled bulk (over a period of 3 years, 1.5 pounds a month), hope for 80/20 muscle/fat gain, then cut and reap the rewards.
I might stay focused on powerlifiting for strenght afterwards, because I don't mind being a bit bulky, but I don't know yet. Could be that I will switch to an aesthetic split after I build decent muscle base.
Thing is you can always go back to aesthetics from powerlifting, it's just going to take some hard work leaning out.
Your progress is impressive. 13 lbs in 6 month, looking leaner than ever, on a strenght focused program (I assume) that's really decent.
Have you started lifting six months ago, or is it when you started recording progress?
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>>42243515
Eat intuitively, and mostly clean, eat enough, keep adding weight to your lifts, get a spot. You can make strength gains without weight gain
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>>42243516
I like thicc men, Klokov type and such.
I like a bit of fat on my meat...
BF is slowly getting there.
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>>42242879
Are femanons retarded? This is obviously a joke
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>>42243515
powerlifting and aesthetics have different routines and goals, i'd say add some accessories to your normal lifts and do like 3x10 instead of 3x5 like your usual lifts. Depends on what muscle areas you want to target though
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>>42243565
Check this out.
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>>42243516
bearmode with some fat on them
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>>42243517
>glutes or gtfo.
Kek
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>>42243594
Did you even read what you attached?
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>>42243515
You looked pretty reasonably fit to start with, what was your motivation to start lifting?
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>>42243558
Fag
>>42243576
>>42243596
Idk if female or male but thanks, im 5 11 182lbs, i dont want be to ripped just big muscle and some flat belly

With 200lbs and i will start working my belly to lose fat there
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>>42243582
>falling for these female (male) baits...

>>42243553
>>42243355
>>42242879

Pretty sure all these are LARPing faggots trying to make us look bad.
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Also in need of relationship advice here. Im white 5'6 243 pounds and my boyfriend is a really aesthetic /fraud/ type guy. He's planning on leaving me because i refuse to lose weight. I'm thinking if he does im gonna leak his nudes and tell everyone on facebook about his steroid usage. How can i get him to stay without losing weight?
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>>42243515
Left was better
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>>42243641
are you a woman or just a manlet
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>>42242588
>>42242601
Nice routine, I've been researching peptide serums lately. The data is looking good so far. I might cop on soon. Rosehip seed oil is really nice too. I remember reading on it's good effects on skin when making the stretch mark infographics for /fat/.
I recommend everyone to check out the infographic in the imgur, as most of the products/supplements in it don't apply only to the skin that has stretch marks on it.
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>>42243643
Don't talk about me like that you frumpy bitch at least I know how to control my kids who the fuck do you think you are with your greasy ass hair and fake tan product
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hey gals what do you recommend for back acne apart from suicide
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>>42243648
You're not a girl IRL.
You have no boyfriend.

You're just a pathetic loser on 4chan trying to get a rise out of people by posting an absolute shitty story.
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>>42243648
get out of my thread you LARPing faggot
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>>42243677
become a nun
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>>42243677
don't fret, i had the same problem. Just treat your back as if it's your face: cleanse, exfoliate and moisturize it every day.
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>>42243680
>>42243681
PMS if you can't handle the bantz go back into the kitchen and stop pretending anyone gives a fuck about your vaginas
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>>42242535
Check out >>42243594


>>42243616
What seems to be the problem Mam? You want to target glutes, right? I am just sharing this to give you inspiration, sure most of those hit the hammies too, but oh well. No need to be mean.
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>>42243695
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>>42242663
Casey Neistat really let himself go.
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>>42243707
I'm retarded? You're on 4chan asking for people to respect your 'women's space' lmao
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>>42242403
girl here, i dont like working out. it hurts my muscles. sometimes i stick my fingers in my vagina and it makes me feel uncomfortable "in a good way" i am almost 24 now and still a virgin. i am obsessed with gilmore girls and etsy recipes for overnight oats
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>>42243096
please be my gf (canada)
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Does someone have good paint skills?
We need to have on of those /pol/ nationality memes with a /fit/ girl at her desktop with the caption :
>hide all (male) posts
>report all (male) posters
>ignore all (male) content
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>>42243677
>tfw bacne too
>not even on the roids

might as well get some var and start cycling imo.
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>>42243731
I am also a girl, I went to starbucks the other day and the guy who is normally there wasn't so I was kinda bumed but it gets worse when I got my chocolate frappe the cream on top was so fucking flat like what the fuck it was HALF the usual amount : / you might think this is not that big of a deal but for me the cream on top is my favorite! I stood there for a few minutes but the staff didn't even ask me what was wrong or if I needed something, so after WAITING ON THEM I had to walk to the front counter and ask them "EXCUSE ME EXCUSE ME" just for some fucking service I had to go out of my way to accomodate them? At this point I was mad so I demanded to see the manager, and the bitch has the gaul to patronize me and treat me like a customer! She gave me some SHITTY free coffee voucher. I just had to vent, I can't believe this happened I'm so mad I feel like a victim.
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>>42243752
>Does someone have good paint skills?
Lol no I don't think standard paint has a makeup brush tool.
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>>42243680
Dont tell me you came on this misogynistic and racist site expecting anything else? You must be new
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>>42242879
Sausage poster
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>>42243776
>>42243731
>>42243695
>>42243666
>>42243648
>>42242502
>>42242879
>ITT
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this thread is so autistic. serious question, if my main goal for right now is to lose weight, would it make sense if I focus more on diet and cardio? then focus more heavily on weights once I lose weight? I know lifting weights burns more calories, but I'm hungrier when I'm doing a routine than when I just do cardio/diet, and I want to get to a lower TDEE? does that make sense or I'm stupid
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>>42243648
Bait
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>>42242403
girl here, sometimes i pass out on the stairmaster at the planet fitness. it is embarrassingto me and sometimes theres no one around to help me wake up. the other day, i was listening to my selena gomez diplo mixtape and it happened. boom knocked out cold on the stairmaster at planet fitness. when i woke up, i couldnt tell if i had peed myself, or i was wet from having erotic dreams when i was unconscious, but my yoga pants were soaked and dripping in that region. i was super embarrissed and ran to the locker room leaving a trail of urine or vagina slime, idk which
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>>42243847
O
M
G
!
THIS SO MUCH!
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total newbie at this, but should you shower after you go to the gym? my skin is pretty blemish prone, and I don't know if the sweat is making it worse
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>>42243726
You are the dumbest person I've seen in a while, give up.
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>>42243794
I know you're LARPing as a Stacy (male), faggot.

>>42243840
Honestly anonette, go at your own pace, if you don't feel strong enough just yet on your cut to be lifting right now, it's no issue so as long as you maintain other forms of exercise. Ultimately everyone goes at their own pace, and chooses their own path.
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Girl here, I've read that semen contains massive amounts of protein. How much do I need to drink to see serious gains? Thinking of maybe givin a few of my orbiters a treat ;-)
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>>42243864
I think it's pretty sanitary to shower right after or in the half hour after exercise (if you live close to the gym and can make it home before). I am assuming that is what you meant by your question. So either do it at the gym or home soon after. You should always shower after going to the gym.
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>>42243840
You should want to up your tdee even if it makes you feel more hungry because the hunger won't keep up with the caloric expenditure. Also remember that losing weight is 99.9% diet.
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>>42243887
these fucking incels ruining their rep in front of the only girl population that can actually tolerate them, or understand and share their interests.

You LARPers are pathetic. Really makes me think Chad isn't so bad after all.
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>>42243887
You need to drink a lot : / I just suck my dogs off when I need some protein. I wish I lived on a farm so I had access to fresh horse cum.
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>>42243895
>too insecure about body to shower in public
>live some 30mins walking distance from gym

f-fuck, better hurry up then
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>>42243955
I know that feel anonette. You'll be fine, so as long as you shower soon after. It doesn't have to be 30 mins on the dot, it's just it should be the first thing you do when you get home, and you shouldn't be running errands on your way home imo.
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hey girls i'm not sure i bought the right brand of oats, mine seem a little too protein rich? is it supposed to be this way? just thought i'd ask b4 eating :\
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>>42242415
The threads were started within 30 seconds of each other. Two femanons wanted lady threads at the same time, I guess.
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>>42243752
>women can't even make their own oc
Tell me, what are women even good for anymore?
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>>42243096
Yeah, your upper legs look big, but have little definition for some reason?

Also calf raises or running, please.
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I've been eating kale but its like so healthy I like don't know if its going to make me into a body builder yuck! I just don't want to be bulky you know? Should I avoid kale is it too much muscle calories, like is kale too lean?
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>>42243170
You can be a cunt any time you want, it's not selected against, cunts are more reproductively/sexually successful than most of the men on this board.
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>>42242403
Cross boast:

>>42243965


Is there a point to Brett Contreras' program as a newbie or should I just run SS and worry about it after the newbie stage wears off?
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>>42243752
have a shitty one
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>>42244064
Again with the man hatred, this is why women circlejerk threads aren't welcome, you're such a wet blanket on literally everything you touch.
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>>42243442
Absolutely, weighted thrusts are good for the butt, as well as lunges.
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Am I welcome in this thread if I have a (feminine) penis, but identify as a woman?
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>>42244075
Nice one, femanon!
That'll do!
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>>42244068
not familiar with his program, but I'll research it and give you an opinion.
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>>42243515
>How to maintain aesthetics while powerlifting?
You can't. I mean, you can, but it's a lot more of a struggle, adding calories will build more muscle. That's why powerlifters are so fat.
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>>42244075
>"this shitty OC will show all those men who don't want to raise my children, they should be honored to pay for me! Fucking men! WHY DON'T I HAVE A BOYFRIEND!"
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>>42243515
nice cameltoe in the middle
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>>42244122

Thank you!
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>>42242629
How do I find a trap? I've never seen one irl
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>>42244128
>being this triggered by a shitty OC
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>>42244123
>mfw calculated on scooby's lean gains calculator at 10lbs muscle gain at most as my genetic limitation each year natty.
>mfw destined to either lean bulk at an incredibly slow pace/cut for half a year each year if I decide to pack it all on in the first year or simply say fuck it and go for pure strenght, as a result packing on ungodly amount of fat.

Yeah I'm just going to focus on strength it's no point obsessing over aesthetics until you've got such a nice muscle base.
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>>42243919
They wonder why women go for Chad, they think it's the aesthetic, they think women are shallow, but really it's because they're intolerable to be around and Chad can carry a conversation without being a total shitlord.
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>>42244128
/r9k/ please go and stay in your containment board
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Had my first day at my new gym yesterday (well actually second, but the first without one of the PTs bothering me) and it's fucking great. It's the first time my muscles started aching after training since I first took up bodyweight training at home. Feels great.

Next time I'll try to be less territorial about the jumping box though. Guess I was just nervous that one fella who did at most 2 reps before resting 5 minutes between exercises would decide to use it for a few jumps and then just sit on it. <_< Thank God he left the gym after just about half an hour.
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>>42244081
> white man hatred
You're ignoring the growing pajeet population on this board, they're men too, you know.

Also have you seen the things the man circlejerks say about women? It's much worse, believe me.
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>>42244198
You're used to men being nice to you in person, because the ones you meet in person see you as a prospect, so they try to please you by saying and doing all the right things.

On the internet, your vagina might as well be in China. Guys (including Chad) aren't as friendly because you are no longer a prospect.
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Oh, and regarding today's topic - although I've never had lots of trouble with my skin personally I use the Garnier face peeling every morning + as mask for 5 minutes after showering. And a coal mask every 2 - 3 weeks. And take additional iron after the monthly bleeding when my skin starts looking too pale.
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>>42242629
All I see is a flat ass, show yourself from the side
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>>42242403

OP, what exactly did you think was going to happen when you made this thread?
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>>42244238
I make it clear that I am in a relationship and unattainable right away when meeting new people to avoid creepy ass men orbiting me, which despite what fit thinks, is not fun, it's scary, you have to keep being nice to them because you think they're going to murder you if you stop, because the kind of men who do that are unstable.

The men I associate with are still polite and nice, though to be fair, they aren't teenagers like the men on this board.
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>>42242629
>implying white boys dont have the best asses
>implying that white girls and asians arent the only one suffering from this curse


Imma steal your brother and make beautifull mixed babies white bitch
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>>42244278
i mean i pretty much expected salty r9k LARPers to derail the thread to some extent. we've had some specific questions and advice given out, and the previous few threads have been successful enough. this outcome is fine to me
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>>42243643
yea but this is why we can't have nice things. these threads will never work out. there are more male than female users on this board and the top retarded % will always do some spiteful larping just to get baiters to respond and make the thread go off rails. Happens every time.
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How's your cut going ladies?
I'm waiting for 15%bf to start bulking, not sure where I am at exactly, but should be around 18-20% I think. calipers put me at 17.3, tape around 20.4.
Can I get an estimate? I can post more pics.

Stats : 163cm, 51.5kg
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>>42244296
>The men I associate with are still polite and nice, though to be fair, they aren't teenagers like the men on this board.
The single ones are all secretly rooting for your relationship to fail.
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>>42244323
jesus, I'm retarded. Here's the pic.
How to fix volumous frizzy hair? Should I just cut it?I can't afford brazilian keratin treatments.
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>>42244337
try the curly girl method for curly hair, also stop combing it
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How do girls feel about having their butthole licked

and is it better for guys to ask, or just do it during cunnilingus
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>>42242502
You'd killed him.
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>>42244354
thanks, will look it up and try it.

>tfw dyel skinnyfat
can't wait to start bulking.
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>>42244334
do you all like never go outside or literally have never interacted with real people??

>i've never been friends with a girl that i didnt want to fuck
>therefore every single guy who's ever been friends with a girl must want to fuck her
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>>42242588

AM
>BHA
>tretinoin
>humectifying toner
>hyaluronic acid lotion
>niacinamide serum
>snail cream
>ceraVe AM or sunscreen

PM
>oil cleanse
>ceraVe foaming cleanser
>apple cider vinegar toner
>vitamin C serum
>AHA
>humectifying toner
>hyaluronic acid lotion
>sheet mask (occasionally)
>snail essence
>ceraVe PM
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>>42242633
Male here (lurking for advice for my wife).
Not much you can do for scars, particularly keratinized scars.
Best thing you can do for non keratinized scars is moisturise and get laser treatments.
Some keratinized scars can be surgically removed/reduced and the skin smoothed out - but you'd need a really good dermatologist.
Testosterone also doesn't help for smooth skin, so, you may just have to cover it with a beard.
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>>42244323

I'm at 19% and intend to keep it this way desu.
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>>42244404
Thats what women actually believe
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>>42244389
G E R M A N Y
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>>42244404
There's no reason to be friends with a girl instead of a man.
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>>42244444
nice quints fag
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>>42244430
yeah honestly, if it weren't for the fact that I'm still all fat, I wouldn't go as deep. Once I get a decent lean mass, I'll probably coast around 18-20%. Just have to figure out where I'm at right now. Might have to do a medical test, I guess.

>>42244461
Sorry, but I live in..
>LONDON
O
N
D
O
N

...joke aside, I have a boyfriend.
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>>42244461
What are you, gay, she probably doesn't even have a penis.
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>>42244272
Idk this is best I have atm
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>>42244415
nice! capped. Actually was thinking about buying a couple of these.
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Hi. I'm new here but I’m 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine.

In the morning if my face is a little puffy I’ll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion
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>>42244506

I'd actually recommend keeping it around the 20% unless you want your breasts to vanish entirely. Don't fall for the "sports will make your boobs look bigger" meme, I did and had to eat lots of peanut butter chocolate sandwiches to get my C cups back.
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>>42244444
You're right, all men are rapists and predators who want to rape you first chance they get and will try to destroy your relationships and you should avoid them at all costs. That's the smarter thing to think about men. We'd better teach them how not to be rapists!
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>>42244561
Nah, what he's saying is that all your male friends would fuck you if you gave them the chance.

It's easy to exaggerate though, isn't it?
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>>42244552
I'm not really concerned about my breasts. But if I am really missing them down the line, then peanut butter and chocolate sandwish doesn't sound bad at all.
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>>42242403
Why is going under 1000 kcal a day bad? I thought hunger mode and all that fuzz will barely have any effect on weight loss, if you're at least able to control your intake after you've reached your goal, right? "Jojo-effect" and all that marketing gags?
I'm at a <1k kcal protein rich diet, do daily exercise and burn 200-400 kcal a day and take additional mineral and vitamin supplements.
Is it that bad? I'm at 200 lbs and want to hit 150lbs (at 6'0", danish, parents are slim if that matters)
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>>42244584
not necessarily bad
look up PSMF
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>>42242403
Yaasss ladies!

I've been eating better and just started kettlebell classes at my gym.

Let's see those sexy selfies girls!! Love your body.
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>>42244530
Pls respond I want a trap so bad
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Muscles on women are unattractive unless you want to seek out betas.
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>>42244566
You got it
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>>42244675
shut the fuck up
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>>42244675
You are Fake News.
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>>42244686
>2017
>lifting for sausage
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>>42244566

> not being able to have genuine female friends
> being 14
pick two
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>>42243720
Audible keks
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>>42244686
> lifting for men
men are shit-tier, and lifting for them is stupid
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>>42242403
Listen here little baby.

You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about.

Let me just say, you are perfect the way you are. You hear me sugar?

PERFECT.

Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want.

Stay safe for me, baby girl.

>mfw thinking of you hurting
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>>42244686
>he essentially admitted he lifts for girls

And that girls, is why women are objectively better than men.
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>>42244727
It must be crushing for your self esteem to think that your sex hole is the only thing you've got going for you. You can insult me all you want but you'll always have that nagging doubt in the back of your mind about every man you know. But that's nothing new. It was always there, wasn't it?
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>>42242629
lol you are white
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>>42243096
looks like good muscle but too much bodyfat. Go on a small cut.
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>>42243661
5 11 is not manlet
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>>42242588
>>42242601
READ THE OP
>Femanon Fitness General, Skincare Edition /fem-fg/
>femanon
>FEM
>FEMININE MEANING WOMAN, REAL, WITH VAGINA
Not a twink with hank hill ass
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other girls ACTUAL girls, i need some advice. everytime ive been outside this summer, i have gotten mosquito bites in my downstairs region. it seems they are drawn to it or something. anyway, the bites have become so prevalent that my bf asked if i had genital herpes. ive tried 'off' mosquito repelent but my bf complains about the chemical taste when he goes down on me.
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>>42244817
anonette, did you try a natural or chemical mosquito repelent (he could be saying it tastes chemical even if it's natural)?
I would suggest to use natural ones based on the plants (those citrus smelling leaves for exemple) and whenever you're about to get it on, go for a quick wash in the bathroom. There's unfortunately no way for him to get around tasting it if it's still on your skin, while he's lapping away like a good puppy!
Good luck!
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>>42244727

You realize he's actually complimenting you, that all the men in your life want to have sex with you

>>42244789
And you realize that everyone wanting to have sex with her wouldn't hurt her self-esteem at all, it would bolster it, right?
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>>42244650
nice, thank you
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>>42244789
My career isn't going for me I guess. Nor is my relationship. Just my sex hole. You really must be 14 if your entire world view is about sex.
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>>42244796
What's wrong with being white lol
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>>42244813
i love how 95% of people in the fem thread are straight up men and you're only mad at the man pretending to be a woman

also these threads remind me of fembot feels... weird how 4chan has changed...
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>>42244817
Unfortunately just wearing more clothing is the only thing that'll do it. Mosquito repellent works some, but it will be disgusting for anyone going down there.
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>>42244934
pretty sure us girls dgaf about VG's biological sex. If anything the person (male) behing this complaint is yet one another of these "men" who gets his boner killed everytime he sees a post from VG here, while he's going through the thread jerking it.
Just a hunch, though.
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>>42244675
I was nervous about posting thing this, but you inspired me!
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>>42244817

Obvious advice is obvious - try to train indoors?
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>>42244817
mosquitoes can't access my genital region because when I am outside it is typically protected by two layers of clothing (pants, underwear)
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>>42244990
I can tell you're actually a girl because your post was void of any meaning so you had to include a sassy gif to to and validate your point.

i miss the old 4chan

i'd rather traps than real women here, women only browse chan for attention
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>>42244990
Hey thanks :)

kinda lol.

I'm not like the most knowledgeable poster but I try to be helpful. Posted my skincare routine anyway :P
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>>42245046
>missing out on tanning naked in the garden while bf takes a swim in the pool, and occasionally comes out to bite your ass cheeks and wet your back.

not the girl you're responding too, but anonette, you're missing out. free areated pussy is liberating (when it's done right like a private setting, not a fan of femen and such either).
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>>42245037
>>42244675
pretending to be 2 different people

filename IMG_XXXX in both cases, obviously renamed to look like real images other than 4chan downloads, even though cameras use all sorts of different naming conventions

blatant wind up, like this entire thread

7/10
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>>42245050
>women only browse chan for attention
Yet here you are, a man, seeking attention
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>>42245050

>shitposts in grill thread
>accuses grills of seeking attention

Kek'd.
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>>42245075
>he doesn't get that it's a female (male) trying to get the femanons in this thread to post ""sexy selfies"" by making them think it's safe if other girls do it...
You autists fall for your own meme, until you become deluded into thinking they're true.
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>>42245099

grill threads are shitpost threads themselves.
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>>42242879
i-i thought girls didn't poop
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>>42245112

This, kek. Too bad it's done in such an obvious manner. Literally all Facebook PTs trying to sell their crap post shit like "Love yewr bodiiiies <3<3<3".
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>>42244804
5'11" is King of the manlets. 6' is the official cutoff.
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>>42245188
Ultimately those incels think they can pull their PUA shit on us, not realizing that we've got an insider look at what they think like, and what their operating process is to hunt down women.

>If a girl is on the chan, she knows how to think like a man
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>>42245243
>>42245188
>>42245112
Jesus just ignore the r9k posters
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Anyone else look at fit girl threads for inspiration? I love them, personally
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>>42245283
yeah I do!
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Help girls I've been practicing the splits (finally able to do both front and side with no problem) in front of my gym crush after my workouts lol why is he too autistic to start up a conversation even though we say hi to each other almost every time?
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>>42245283
I have a fitspo folder mostly saved from 4chan
>tfw you will never be jacked like the fit grills
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>>42243568
>>42244123
>>42244174
>bulking just to gain muscle
Why? If you're losing fat, you're getting energy (and muscle if getting enough protein -- I'm on 6-9 scoops + milk, and [flaxseed] oil for my other calories).
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are somatotypes a meme?
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>>42244716
Be the grill to my sausage
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Exercises for small waist and wider hips? The X look basically.
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>>42246282
haven't researched specific exercises, but you're gonna have to work these muscle groups :
- serratus
- obliques
- abdominal belt
- glutes

A quick look at an anatomical exercise book (like Delavier's see ebook imgur in OP) will get you an idea on how to work the muscles (which exercises, the form to accomplish them, an anatomical description with images).
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>>42246220
yes but frames aren't.
you can be a skelly with a huge frame and vice versa
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>>42246241
you can't handle the heat.
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>>42246325
I read that training thw obliques will just make them thicker/make you have a blocky core.
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>>42246331
quick rundown on frame theory for women?
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>>42246347
it's broscience, obliques are not a large muscle to start with, so it really depends on your shape (avoid if you're already fridge mode), if you're taking steroids, if you are a waistlet to start with...just train them proportionately to the rest, you'll be good.
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>>42246352
narrow shoulders, small waist, medium to wide hips
tfw skelletor with wide shoulders
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>>42246403
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>tfw wide shoulders, fridge mode chest, waistlet, hiplet...
might as well transition to be honest, I'd have better frame as a male...
what would you suggest doing in my case?
I thought about it and figured at this point I should just only work lower body and artificially build myself some glutes/hips and a nice core to create the illusion of a smaller chest/shoulders/having a waist?
If I were you I'd go for that there V shape, and get a sick taper going on, with your height.
>tfw 5'3 womanlet
>might as well go back to mining mithril in moria, because I'm literally built like a dwarf.
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>>42246403
Same + chestlet. My only options are skinnyfat or bony skellington. If I put on any muscle i'll look like a male swimmer
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>>42246454
ever had any weight on? where does you fat go? if it goes to your thighs you might want to go that route even if it means cottage cheese in some areas
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>>42246464

hmmm, >>42246454 here, I'd take chestlet and trade you waistlet or hiplet for it. Deal?
what would you do if you had my setup?
Honestly if I were you, I'd go swimmer aesthetic or bony skellington and aspire for anorexic model aesthetic, you might woo some normies that way.
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>>42242535
>Squats
>deadlift
>barbell hip thrusts
>donkey kicks
>lateral band walk
>stairmaster
>goodmornings
>walking lunges
>back extension

All with weights, 4x8-12 for them all. Any variations of these (such as stiff-legged deadlift, romanian deadlift, etc) can be done as well.
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>>42246514
guy here. go full chun-li
ass takes years to build tho
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>>42246510
yes I am actually cutting (down from around 65kg to 51.5 now) and I store my weight :
>in my belly (apple shape mode - high risk of heart disease btw if you have that - thanks dad)
>in my thighs
>in my boobs

I'm literally hiplet/buttlet tier even at a higher weight when skinnyfat(but I assume it's because I have no glutes whatsoever, working on that). Building glutes is my only hope, Obi Wan.
I gigged the petite child-skeletor aesthetic for a while (around 45kg a couple years during my late teens) and wasn't much better off.
So at this point, I might as well just lift and leave humanity behind I guess.
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>>42246581
yeah, sounds like that's what I'll do. Thanks anon for your opinion.

>a-at least I'm not a chestlet/facelet
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>>42242629
AH FUCK I THOUGHT I GOT RID OF YOU GOD DAMN SHIT
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>>42243677
Quit milk and change it to Almond Milk
>>42244698
lol
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>>42244323
I don't know, I'm waiting 6 months till I can get another dexa scan. Last time, I was:
5'7
121
20%bf

The SO says he doesn't want me getting passed 17% but that seems highish.

Also how much do you guys eat per day, and what are your stats?
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>>42242535
SS with sprints once or twice a week thrown in
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>>42246766
yeah, probably going to have to take a dexa scan. Going on a trip in about ten days, so might as well just wait till I'm back.
Calipers and tape are not accurate as much.

Yeah you can safely cut under 17% (I think an experienced cutter can go 12-14% for a short period - comp/bulk prepping - easy peasy, while someone (female) who's just now starting serious cuts should aim for 15-17% on their first tries.) Just my opinion though, what I'm going for myself.

I'll repost my stats + new ones for clarity's sake:
163cm 51.5kg around 17-20%bf (estimates)
Caloric intake : average of 1000 (I did IF 23:1 OMAD throughout my cut, now transitioning to IF 18:6 to take it easy and coast for the last 6kgs, meanwhile reintroducing two meals a day). I have five months to complete this cut. Easy peasy. Won't go any deeper than 45.5 kg however whether I hit goal bf% or not.
>>
Post frame pics.

I'm pretty good with anatomy and criticism.
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>>42246907
Also, I have fitgirl pics for goal references.
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>>42246766
>>42246883
I should add also that in the case of my boyfriend's opinion on my weight management, he's expressed some concerns too, but not regarding my cut, but the bulk to come.
Laid out the details for him on what I'll be doing (a very clean controlled bulk trust me), and he seemed surprised by the amount of muscle a woman could put on. I think he expects me to balloon up unfortunately with fat. I'll show him I know better.

>>42246907

hey, I'd like a frame criticism please. I'm >>42244323
>>42244337
>>42244389
>>42246454
>>42246590
I hope you can read my frame through those pictures. Otherwise I can post more that are less recent, though.
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>mfw 4th beta provider buys me drinks
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>>42246950
>sun behind the picture
>baggy clothes

For frizzy hair, cloves and cinnamon are really good. Cinnamon from stores is apparently pretty edible-toxic though.
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>>42247002
PS, your posture is pretty good, but frame is mostly a front view at this point.
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>>42247002
thanks for the tips.
yeah I know bad pictures for the purpose of physique review.

>>42247013
I have another set of progress pictures, a couple days old. I think they'll help determine frame.
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>>42247055
>that belly
yeah I specified I store my weight in the belly area, just to clarify again. Also working on my core.
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>>42247055
>>42247068
I would cut first while gaining as much muscle as possible (mostly because it feels good). You have small features, but it's possible still getting really curvy with the right muscle training. This girl has a wider glute set than she does hips, and a lot of the girls from the fitness, online niche have this. Her frame is non-specific for this reference, but I would say that muscle size (as a baseline) is mostly from high weight, low rep, because that's where the strength training is.
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>>42247307
Here's the sort of opposite of her frame. It's a challenge telling where the PEDs are, but the main lifting suggestion (beyond diet -- protein, and beyond stretching -- for fascia expansion, mobility, and comfort) is lifting for a pump while simultaneously keeping it cool enough for keeping the muscle healthy, because maximum muscle growth signalling is like 24hrs., and staying on top of that is probably key.
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>>42244934
At least the male shitposters know they arent someone trapped in someone else's body
>>42244990
>tee hee us gurls xD
Crawl up your own ass
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>>42247307
Okay, thanks for the advice. To give you a bit of background, I am cutting and lifting at home free weights at the moment, just started about two months ago. Unfortunately can't join a gym right now because of travelling a lot the next few months, but I'll keep doing home workouts and practicing form/learning about what strength program I'll do (thinking about either SS or SL5x5 for starters). Eventually, by the time I'll be done cutting I'll be settled and will be starting my linear progression program (about five months from now). It's only a minor setback though.

If I understand correctly, it should be possible to achieve something relative to both those figures (given my smaller proportions of course) depending on what aspects of training I stress.
I think i'm actually more interested in n°2 aesthetic. I'm going to take note on all the advice, thanks very much for taking the time to explain to me how to strive for different frame builds based on what I have.
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>>42246503
I dont think her body is too bad, but her face looking like an irish hobgoblin doesnt help
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>>42247068
lmfao, you look fat as fuck

consider becoming anorexic
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>>42247525
>this is what being a waistlet and hiplet gets you.
>people just assume you're overweight because you store your fat in your belly.
>meanwhile legs don't touch
>butt is nonexistent
>slim quads, calves, arms, back
>doesn't matter, people will just see your fat gut and think you're really really fat.
>51.5kg

JUST

Unironically though, go fuck yourself, I just started my journey, of course I still have to cut. And I don't need to develop an ED to be able to lose weight. I'm not losing weight to become a skelly who binges and purges on the daily, I'm doing it so I can bulk clean for long and do some heavy lifting.
Post a pic you autist next time, I'm sure it's easy to judge others behing your keyboard.
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>>42247641
>Taking opinions of /fit/ srs
You do realize that you're on 4chan.
You're not even fat, you're just chunky and soft. Do cardio 3~4 times a week for 30 mins, stop eating junk and lift weights. you'll be fine.
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>>42247525
>I'm mean to girls on the internet
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>>42247698
don't worry Cheekie, not even mad really. I just like to step up when a chairforce aspie tries to shoot someone down. Also I'm being ironic about the whole framelet thing, I don't take it seriously :
>unironically though, go fuck yourself...

Thanks for the advice. Will take up some cardio as well. I've been eating clean for about three months now, since I started my journey. I'll start lifting weights asap too.
I think you're a great girl, if that matters. Source of inspiration.
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>>42242879
i am fucking bros from now on
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>>42247307
Do you even know your anatomy? The area you define as hips is the area between the top of her pelvis and rib cage, aka the waist. Dumbshit
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>>42247762
my honest advice: do a water fast for a month and then go from there
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>>42242403
>femanon fitness general
>women need their own general for fitness
>thread is made up of gay men and tranny faggots, and no women at all

/fit/
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>>42248196
that webm is the worst thing i've ever seen in my life
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>>42248272
best thing posted in the thread bar far though, and that's saying something
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>>42247762
good luck to you, anonnette. btw, regarding the hair thing again, this is my result from using the curly girl method, just dried my hair and woke up with this
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How do you guys deal with "girlfriends" that mean well, but treat your workout / eating habits as if you have an ED???

I am very strict on my diet in terms of total calories because I am a slight autist when it comes to numbers, but I still allow myself "normal" luxury foods (frozen yogurt, wine, pasta when on vacation, etc.)

Is anyone else a crazy calorie counter like me or am I truly just weird.
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>>42248431
your fat friends are ugly and jealous
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>>42248431
i'd say they just know nothing about nutrition. Anyway just don't be too obnoxious about counting calories in front of friends; the main goal of cal counting is to be able to get to a point where you can automatically eat healthily or estimate how many calories your food has
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>>42247068
Bb pls let me get a wiff of those dirty feet pls bb I'm hurting. :')
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Anyone experienced with lip fillers? I'd want to add some volume but I'm worried that due vigorous exercising it wouldn't last at all.
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>>42248172
no
>>42247762
Post progress pics during dieting!
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>>42242588
You're a man. Stop.
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>>42243869
>>>/tumblr/
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>>42243340
>he doesn't know
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>>42244770
P U R E K I N O
U I
R N
E O
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>>42245243
kys
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>>42243648

Stop being a fat fuck and just lose some weight. You'll save yourself and those who have to be around you a lot of misery, trust me.
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>>42249814
>being this new
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>>42247762
>encouraging tripfags
>encouraging anyone on 4chan

boys where were you when 4chan was kill
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>>42249880
this whole board is about encouraging people to better themselves
are you illiterate
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>>42249814
It's fake, lady, it's some man posing as a woman with a ridiculous problem. Also the majority of women don't consider posting revenge porn, and probably wouldn't admit to doing it.
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>>42249880
Learn the difference between trip and name fagging new feg
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>all these women pretending to be 4chan posters

Do roasties ever form their own internet communities? Is there even one worth frequenting?
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>>42242403
THICC
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>>42249955
you sound nervous
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>>42243648
>his life is so pathetic that he has to go into a women's thread on a chinese papercraft board and pretend to be a fat woman who has a hot boyfriend that she takes for granted
reevaluate your life
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>>42249972
I actually prefer you segregate yourselves. Makes it easier to target and harass.
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>>42245200
>manlets come to the Femanon Fitness General and convince themselves they aren't manlets
any guy under 6'4" can swipe left then kill himself thank you
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>>42249955
>implying male communities are any good
>wahh i have depression and social anxiety because i was never taught how to socialize and seek support
>i can only take out my anger and frustration by shitposting on mexican abalone fishing forums
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>>42249972
you're back!!!! I thought you left us
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>>42250000
They hurt u
>>42250024
I'm about to go to the gym, I'm usually here often but I go to different boards
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Advice to femanons who want a fit BF, go full on thicc murvy thighs. My God it is the most attractive female physique.

pic related
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>>42250065
>I go to different boards
wtf Cheekie cheats on /fit/? What boards do you visit that are better than here?
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Skincare question
Is it a bad idea to start a prescription retinol if I don't have acne right now? I'm 25 and want to start fighting wrinkles before they really start happening.
I do get bad acne but I'm on birth control that stops it mostly right now
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>>42242403
girl here, i like to go to a dick dungeon for my workouts. its a dark cellar on the outskirts of my small town. i step into what looks like a wooden outhouse, walk down some stairs and arrive in the dick dungeon. it is kind of scary and i get penatrated for several hours before they cloriform me and throw me out of a van.
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>>42249897
no its about making fun of them so they have enough self-hatred to fuel their transformation into ubermensch

>>42249950
who cares? the end result is the fucking same
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>>42249897
>tripfags
>people
>implying
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>>42250111
Imma board whore!!
>>42250181
>it all fuckken same
you silly willy
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>>42242629
Dear god those boy shorts fit like actual shorts. I'm both jealous and repulsed by your lack of ass
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>>42243515
gg pounds? What the fuck does that mean?
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sup bitches
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>>42242795
It's like a pens but for women
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>>42243096
H E L S I N K I
E
L
S
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K
I
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>>42242420
Thanks for the general!
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>>42249218
Peppermint oil.
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>>42249218
so as long as you don't vigorously exercise your lips...I don't see the issue here ;)

>>42252860
you should specify it's not to be used as a filler, but as an oitment, no?
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should I fall for the pixie cut meme?
I was a dumb poorfag and dyed and bleached my hair by myself too much, and now it's fried except for maybe 10 cm of fresh clean regrowth. I don't want to be the Xth pixie cut grill lifter at the gym, but I just don't want to carry around this dead hair, and have to take care of it too for little results.
I've been taking a vitamin/minerals complex for my regrowth though. I won't dye/bleach it ever again, learned my lesson, had my fun.
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>>42252909
go for it, honestly i wouldn't give a shit if anyone had a pixie cut at the gym or not, i'm not there to look at people
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HELP MY VAGINA HAS A HOLE IN IT!!!!
WHAT DO GUISE????
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>>42253378
>vibrator insertion x O

>tfw my man vibrator is uncharged
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>>42242415
Kek
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>>42244415

Pls tell me this routine isn't real.

>snail essence

Really tho?
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>>42254039
snails are big in asia
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>>42244796
you've got a skewed view of white women, there's tons of thick girls with amazings asses where i come from, also there are black women with stick insect bodies as well
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I have a hair underneath my areola on my right boob that grows darker and longer than the others.
It's pretty recent as it's the first time I notice it.
I plucked it. It hasn't shown up since. Is there a chance it'll come back. Am I destined to have to pluck it regularly, or is there a way to get rid of it definitely (if it comes back)? Thanks.
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