Redpill me on "just be yourself/confident"

>>42240548
Yeah. Ugly grills are everywhere.

>>42240548

No. He has a debilitating illness.

Know your limits. Go for your league

>>42240560
this
4/10s only hit on 9/10s and wonder why they get rejected
just go for the desperate girls if you're desperate to get laid yourself, it's easy.

>>42240548
You shouldn't learn to be confident with yourself, you should improve yourself to the point where you deserve to be confident and THEN be confident in yourself. That means not just lifting, but reading and learning too.

being himself is not enough, he must go above and beyond in every medium

>>42240548

You shouldn't be your normal self. Instead you should be a fucking great person to be around, once you do that, you should be yourself.

You want good looking women but you don't want to put in the work to be goodlooking or valuable to them.

>>42240548
It really depends on what "being yourself" means. Some guys naturally have an attractive personality so they can easily get women. Some unfortunate guys have shitty personalities so they have to put effort into changing their own personality, which may fuck them up.

Being confident alone without looks/status to back them up will just make you a look creepy and tryhard.

Girls date upwards so ugly girls wouldn't not want ugly guys unless that guy has something else to compensate like money.

So the answer is no. Confidence ALONE will not help him.

>>42241146
Debatable

What's the point of getting /fit/ if you're not using that strength and speed to just rape women?

>>42240892
This. Don't be confident in yourself, know of yourself.

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>>42240548
lol just be yourself bro

>>42241152
Unless he has amazing social skills, he is fucked with that face

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>>42241152
girls don't date downwards, there's nothing debatable about it

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>>42242409
>girls don't date downwards
Not entirely true, even at all
If you've ever been with an 'attractive' woman you would know they like to be the center of attention or at least noticed
The misconception on /fit/ or online in general seems to be whatever women post online must be what they want in real life
Having a unique non creepy personality gets you so far, looks and no personality are usually for getting laid nothing else.

>pic unrelated, Jada

>>42241214
I wonder what kind of human failure wastes their life making and pushing those /r9k/-tier images.

Fuck that shit. Be yourself by being your best.

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>>42243198
this

>>42240548
JUST BEEEEE YOURSELVES

Terrible advice for new relationships. For every new person you meet you'll adapt and shift your personality to what you think will suite them. For women it is the same damn thing. If a girl likes you she'll adapt to meet your interests down the middle. You should do the same fucken thing, but don't lie yourself into a corner.

Don't pretend you own something, don't lie about that famous guy you met(you'll regret it down the road). Make up a fun story if you have to, just as a long as no one can possibly call you out for it. For every time you build yourself up, make sure you are somehow playing down yourself with some light humor. Don't make yourself look like a fucken fool, so maybe skip the downplay. But then again you might also sound egotistical if you up play yourself too much....
ALRIGHT!
So how about you count how many positives and negatives you made in your head during a conversation so you don't go autism on us.

>>42242465
Don't date downwards as in don't downgrade your interests just to get laid and loved. Find that gal who's fugly, but alright now that you've gotten to know her.

>>42242465
>looks and no personality are usually for getting laid nothing else.

>implying men actually want relationships

Newsflash, most guys wouldn't be in a relationship if they could get pussy every week without being in a relationship.

I sure as hell would never get into a relationship if I could get new pussy every week.

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>>42243405
Neck theory confirmed yet again

>>42242465
Also, women only 'date down' once they've hit the wall and their eggs are about to expire so they look for a beta provider. This doesn't mean that the women DESIRE the beta provider, but they NEED him. Beta providers are used by society and women like a condom, once used, throw away.

That provider obviously isn't chad, as chad is slaying pussy left and right without commitment.

>>42240548
is that that balding cuck wow player asmosomething?

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>>42240555
>Yeah. Ugly grills are everywhere.

But even ugly grills hold out for at least average looking guys. They're deluded that way, and it's the ugly guys who have to pay the cost. Sad!

>>42240885
because of makeup average looking girls are hard to find

>>42243529
bottom left looks like athlean x

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>>42243538
> women only 'date down' once they've hit the wall and their eggs are about to expire

What age are you talking here? presuming most anons are 18-30 pretty sure most women's eggs are fine, unless you mean one that's been pumped and dumped numerous times with plenty of kids, then I'd agree there's little to no choice

"be yourself/confident" just means don't try too hard, girls can tell when you're pretending to be "alpha"

There are good looking/fit guys that get rejected all the time because of their autism.

>>42242409
you've never left your basement lad

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>>42241214

>>42243698
everyone knows money is king

>>42240548
Guy on the right isn't even that bad, all he needs to do is get some neck gains and get a decent haircut

>>42243580
Once women get to the age of 25ish (really depends on a lot of factors), they better start looking for a beta provider before it is too late.

Once they are looking for a beta provider, they don't care as much about how sexually attractive the guy is, they start caring more about job stability, career and fatherly attributes.

Sure, she's still going to fuck chad on the side while looking for that beta provider, but she knows that her value as a long term partner is low/diminishing rapidly at this point, so she can't wait for chad to commit.

Women really get the best of both worlds though, they get to fuck chad in their best years and get to have a beta provider for her worst years to come.

Lot of these threads. What I wonder is why you're so obsessed with pussy? It's fun for an hour or two and then it's the last thing you want. Just remember that feeling you get after and you'll realize that devoting time, money, and energy towards sex is absolutely pointless. You're cucking yourself by devoting any of your essence to some slut.

>>42243780
t. coping virgin

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>>42243696
maybe when they hit 28 theyll consider lowering standards but in reality girls think they're

>>42243714
Now you're coping hard.

It's like fat people complaining about having tried everything.

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>>42243405

>>42244213
How fucking important is eye area.

>>42240548
If I was that bad Id just pay for hookers, I mean how would someone like that even have a chance?

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>>42244229
Your eye area and cheekbones are insanely important. Prominent cheekbones & other "extraordinary" features can be attractive for a few reasons based on evolutionary psychology.
First, there is a theory called "costly signaling"* that means that if you see someone with high, broad cheekbones (or any "extraordinary" feature), this means that their body had to go through all of this extra "expense" to build and support those cheekbones..and this person has more "reproductive fitness" (better genes). I don't know if it applies to cheekbones, but it's a theory that's fairly convincing for a number of our traits (and animal traits too)
Second, cheekbones support the eyes - so broad cheekbones and wide set eyes (on a man in particular) indicate that he is probably a better athlete / hunter than someone with sunken cheekbones and poorly supported eyes. The cheek bone (and orbital rim - which it is attached to) was also important in supporting the eye during injury - which is crucial for survival. Also, the cheek bones (in the front) surround a major nerve that comes out of the face - and stronger frontal cheek bones protect this nerve. This last part (the protection factor) - I think - is probably why they are so important.
Someone should do a study on female cheek bones and hormone levels and waist - hip ratio to see if these things correlate. My hypothesis is that you'd see some correlation, but the study has not been done.
Cheekbones have different levels of attractiveness in men and in women -and the ideal shape and size differ. In men, the "population average" cheekbone is the most attractive. In women, the "population average + slightly feminized" is the most attractive.

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Why do ugly /r9k/ losers feel so entitled?

>>42244247
>wide set eyes
>In men, the "population average" cheekbone
What does these mean?

>>42240548
Not by confidence alone, you need something to go along with it. Fame, high status etc.

>>42244247
none of that matters if you are a manlet

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>>42244288
If you take everyone in your population (wherever you are - white, indian, latino - etc...and average all of their features together, you will get an "ideal" face. The deviations from the ideal make the face less attractive for men. For women, the most attractive face is the "average" plus feminized changes (tapered jaw, large wide eyes, big lips, etc.)
The "window" is hard to describe...it depends how far you stray from the average.

>>42244313
This desu. Manlets are doomed to fail.

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>>42244313
This smug 5'7 manlet got Alison Brie. Alison ''Supreme Goddess'' Brie.

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>>42244247

Projectin cheekbones are somewhat important but I'd argue high and wide cheekbones with lil bit of projection is the best. High cheekbones give a positive or neutral tilt on your eyes and gives it more support.

And besides cheekbones that are super prominent looks very feminine.

Pic related has high and wide cheekbones but not too projecting like that of a female. he has a good eye area becuase of his cheekbones

How to make maxilla gains without surgery?

>>42244379
20x5 Pouty Kissy Lips each morning, also get a lead pencil and balance it up your upper lip.

>>42244365
That guy has an outstanding eye area. Barely ever is he not the most attractive person in a room

>>42244403
Are you for real? pls don't be mean

>>42244348
Alison is one of my top qt's of all-time but her looks have really fallen off lately. Not just talking about how she changed for that TV show which was temporary but before that. She hit the Jewish wall that sets in around 35.

>>42244424
I don't think you can work that area. Biggest jaw gain is just losing weight, if you're super desperate you could chew a lot of gum.

>>42244457
What about mike mew?

>>42244468
Mike who?

>>42244348
isn't average height of amerifags like 5'8?

>>42244473
That guy who promotes mewing.

>>42244539
The guy who promotes what?

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>>42244585
why you like this

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>>42243405

>chick asks me out
>set up a date
>oversleep and wake up two hours late

How to salvage? Or should I even bother, it's just a chick.

>>42244190
yea I bet if he worked fulltime at mcdonalds she'd still be all over him

>>42244605
>sorry hung up at work

>>42243529
Could you explain this neck theory?

>>42244605
Say the truth.

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>>42244761
Wider neck makes you look more aggressive and HIGH TEST. Compare the two, literally no changes but to the neck.

>>42244763

Yeah, I called her right when I woke up. She was pretty mad so I'm gonna lay low for a while and see if she is still interested.

>>42244910
Good. You're clear of autism.

>>42244867
how do I make my neck huge

>>42245014
If you don't want to wear a football helmet and pads all day then just look up some neck exercises.

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>>42241146
>Girls date upwards so ugly girls wouldn't not want ugly guys unless that guy has something else to compensate like money

More people have got to start saying this irl.

There are way too many lies about this, e.g: "just be yourself" "she'll like you for who you are" it's all bullshit.

>>42245036
So what the fuck do ugly guys do?

>>42245383
Don't reproduce.

>>42245383
Compensate with a good body, good clothes, status and charisma. Also, plastic surgery if you're really bad.

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>>42244867

It would help if they didn't actually fuck up the jawline in these pictures.

A bigger neck is only a big deal when it makes your jawline look better ie. broader.

In any other angle it doesn't matter much.

>>42245383
In past thing were different and even ugly males were getting married and start family for few reasons

It would be very weird for a girl to not have husband after certain age and being turbo slut was bad as well.

If a man had family then he had something that forced him to work, to make money, to give a future to kids.

Due to sexual revolution and feminism and equal right, in modern world, women do not need males anymore, women can make as much money as man, so if she do not have chances to marry Chad then she choose to stay alone over being with ugglo betta.

Its better to fuck chad from time to time than fuck ugly beta every night.

Some of them after certain age ie. 30 realize that chances to marry chad are pretty low and train of time is going to wreckage them soon so they are looking for a beta STEM looser with good salary to """settle down"""

>>42244348
>5'7"

Have you seen photos of him and James Franco together? Wouldn't put him a centimeter above 5'5".

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>>42245788
That makes it even more ridiculous.

>>42240548
I cracked the code for you: attractive people can't comprehend what it's like to not be attractive, so the advice they give inherently assumes that the recipient is also attractive like themselves.

"Be yourself" = "Be me, and I am myself constantly."

>>42245918
Nah, they just do it to shit on none attractive guys.

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>>42245472
>Some of them after certain age ie. 30 realize that chances to marry chad are pretty low and train of time is going to wreckage them soon so they are looking for a beta STEM looser with good salary to """settle down"""

Wtf is wrong with girls/women these days ?

They weren't this messed up in the past.

Nowadays she's either a entitled "princess", a basic bitch, skank or flakey/unsure cunt.

The decent ones are becoming incredibly rare to find, it's just crazy.

>>42246158
>t.guy who has never been on a date

>>42246158
They always been like that, just from ancient era society realized it and in patriarchal society women were shamed for such activity like being a slut or being old and single.

Its in women nature to find the best possible genes for her child.

If you look at history every civilization that managed to be powerful had some form of law about family. When male was sure that when he is hunting or working her women is not going to get fucked by other guys he could focus on his job.

Modern feminism and leftist are doing what is possible to destroy basic family unit husband+wife+kids.

Its new experiment and we are going to see result of it in next few decades. When today 10-30yo people get older.

Its funny because feminist magazines are already blaming males for this crisis, because males do not want to man up/grow up and play vidya

kek

>>42240548
>just be yourself

The worst fucking advice. If you couldn't get laid in the first place, couldn't interact socially without spaghetti erupting like Vesuvius, why would you continue doing the thing that is eternally cockblocking you? Chad gets pussy and follows this advice because he's just being himself, the difference is he's a winner. You're not. You're a incel mongoloid. The person you are sucks so change that.

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>>42245383
>8,000 YEARS AGO, 17 WOMEN REPRODUCED FOR EVERY ONE MAN
https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success
Do you think 1000-2000 years of culture and civilization are enough to get rid of our genetic imprints?

A woman can make up to 1 baby a year if she's lucky THEREFORE it is in her best interests to get the BEST POSSIBLE DNA for the kid i.e. 7+/10 males.
A man can make 100, 200, 500, 1000 babies a year. Hell maybe even more if he can shoot 6x a day, who knows. The only thing he needs is a long line of willing women. THEREFORE it is in his best interests to impregnate as MUCH women as possible.
If a woman is promiscuous, it means she is either bad at judging a man's worth/DNA or her reproductive system is messed up, therefore she is low worth. If she has a low partner count it means she is judging very selectively who gets to pump their DNA in her, therefore she has high worth.
Conversely, if a man can't get any women, or only low quality warpigs w/effort, it means they have judged him and decided his DNA is trash, therefore he is low worth. If a man is fucking 300 women a year, it means that they have all decided that his DNA is top-shelf and want some, therefore he is high-worth.

There you go, from this basic law, you can extrapolate the principles of female hypergamy/male polygamy, the 80/20 rule, Briffault's law, the much-loathed by feminists 'lock and key' analogy, the seemingly arbitrary rules of traditional marriage (hint: they're not arbitrary), female preselection, etc. Once you understand this shit, it ALL makes sense.

>>42246564
God damn, it must be great to be that 1 man.

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>>42244597

>>42246614
We all descended from that man. Greatness is inside us all.

>>42246564
This is exactly why being average or even above average as a guy you won't be slaying left and right, you have to be exceptional.

Kind of depressing, really. The average woman has it so much easier when it comes to love and reproduction compared to the average man.

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>>42246710
If you are average you are not on the sexual radar.

>>42246710
>Kind of depressing, really. The average woman has it so much easier when it comes to love and reproduction compared to the average man.
Why is that?

>>42244276
Omega's only exist in wolf packs that are kept in captivity. They don't really exist much in the animal kingdom

>>42244619
Dude what the fuck. Obviously somebody who is ugly with a dead end job is not going to attract somebody. "Being yourself" doesn't mean be a fucking shitbag, it means pursuing your interests and passions as well as taking care of yourself. Sitting on 4chan all day is not being yourself, it's just a time killer.

>>42246746
To name a few:
>men throwing themselves at them
>get to friendzone betas while still getting free stuff from them
>gets to fuck chad
>can get a beta provider when the time comes, as she has her pick of the litter with her 30 beta orbiters

Seriously, average girls have it extremely easy. The below average girls have it way worse than average males though.

I'm average at best and have a hard time getting my dick wet, last time was like 7 months ago, but it was with an 8.5...

>all these made up graphs with nonsensical axes and non-source data

lmao @ betas that rationalize this garbage

>>42247022
Unsourced? I think the study was done by ockupid or tinder and are based on the usage of their services.

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>>42240548

Its all in the neck brah

>my friend smokes pack a day, always drunk as fuck and never eats anything except fastfood
>his face is literally 10/10, also nice body
>me trying to do SS+GOMAD, never smoked in my life
>my face is like white version of that black guy from Star Wars
Kill me.

>>42240548
Yeah but obviously his pool is much smaller and much less attractive than the guy on the left. If you don't think "personality" matters at all when it comes to girls you are most likely immature and have no experience. Though obviously looks matter a fuck ton, no one irl pretends otherwise; everyone knows this, it's not some huge redpill truth, everyone knows it and accepts it.

>>42247397
Smoking is not actually that bad for your skin.

what does redpill mean

>>42240548
If he got a decent haircut, took care of his skin, got a tan, started lifting and fixed that overbite shit he's got going on, he'd look okay..

Btw the guy on the left would look like shit too if he didn't already have all those things down.

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>>42240548
He could get laid by using a better camera. That picture is terrible, lens is too small and the camera is too close, hence his face looking distorted. See pic related for an example of what I mean.

>>42247591
Which lense is more like irl?

>>42247642
For a start, a distance of 600mm at least.

>>42247642
https://www.adorama.com/alc/0011812/article/Top-Portrait-Lenses

Depends on the distance between you and the camera. The wrong lens/distance ratio will warp your face inwards or outwards. But the absolute worst thing you can do is take a close-up phone selfie, because whatever warping exists will be massively magnified. If you're looking for a dating profile pic, stand on the opposite side of a room and crop later.

>>42247591
Where do phone camera lenses belong on this

>>42240548
what is so hard about getting laid? are you all hideous nerds or what?

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Ugly men get good looking women all the time. Money helps.

>>42247791
Depends on the phone, iPhones generally have better cameras though. My Samsung Galaxy 4 is 38mm I think, I look like a mongoloid trying to take pictures.

Is there a difference between confidence and self esteem?

>>42247878
Confidence is how your self esteem is expressed in your actions.

>>42247878
Yes, I'm too lazy to explain it, though.

>>42247808
whos this?

>>42246774
>obviously dead end jog is not going to attract
>but it's your fault
>you can be whatever you want
>y'all just sitting durr hurr
dude stop. not even the anon you're pretending to argue with over such a shitty murrican dream statement. just stop

>>42247339
yeah... no

>>42243512
Every time I read or know about someone who does pull new pussy every week, they say how eventually they realize it's meaningless and that they would prefer a relationship.

>>42247937
Forneverworld

>>42246651
>>42246614
And that man was Genghis Khan.
blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan/

>>42240892
>>42240548
This is the only answer

The guy on the right will probably never be attractive as the guy on the left and for the majority of the rest of us this is also true. BUT the guy on the right can do a lot of things to improve himself to be better than average or reach average status.

He doesnt look un-salvageable. He should start with improving his hair. Start with the classic Hitler youth and improve the haircut to your liking. Shave that shitty stubble (if you cant grow a beard then keep it clean shaven or 2 day stubble), in the original picture he has a Call of duty shirt so he should work on getting new clothes (chukka boots, skinny jeans, henlays, etc.). Lifting will improve his posture and he needs to do neck lifts to sort out that pencil neck. Clean diet and full sleep should take care of his acne and bags under his eyes.

Lifting will give him a hobby, but he should also seek out other things besides vidya. Rock climbing is good, running is good, reading is good, learning an instrument. Hobbies keep you entertained and give you something to talk about.

>>42240555
Ugly girls go on tinder and fuck average guys.

Short Answer: Yes. If you are not getting girls, you are not being yourself. You probably walk around on eggshells around women trying hard to please them or not offend them. Women smell your beta and won't even consider you a sexual prospect.

Long Answer: Men and women are biologically different. The things that turn on men (looks) are NOT the things that turn on women (certain behaviors). If this were the case women would watch as much porn as men instead of reading shit like 50 shades of grey. You only think "looks, money, and status" are what attract women because from birth you (and women as well) have been brainwashed by disney movies, lifetime stories, ads, and what have you into this is the case. Why? It's what keeps society going. You have all of these unattractive men working long hours, trying to be CEO, paying tons of money for gym memberships all because somewhere in the back of their minds they think this will help them to become more attractive and get girls. Think about it. If you could sleep with any woman whenever you wanted during any age do honestly think you would work long hours, or try to be 240 lbs and 6% bodyfat, or spend your money on some expensive watch advertised in some men's magazine? Ha! The true thing that turns on 99.8% of women is a man's behavior. Women will not admit this to you. Many don't even know it. You probably don't accept it yourself. It is true that people with high status and good looks and lots of money are more attractive to women than the average joe. But this is not because of the actual status or looks or money. It is because they know they are "attractive" in the eyes of society. Because of this "attractiveness" they behave confidently and attractively with women. They assume women will find them attractive and as a result women find them attractive. The opposite is true as well. Ugly obese poor neckbeards are generally poor with women because they know in the eyes of society they are unattractive. (cont)

>>42248432
Thus they behave unattractively with women and thus they are unattractive to women. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. If you were to take the guy on the right of the OP and brainwash him to think he was some Casanova who slayed with women and he believed this to his core despite the protests of everyone else then he would actually become a Casanova who slayed with women. If you were to take the man on the left of the OP and brainwash him to think he was some obese, ugly, poor, neckbeard who sucked with women and made him believe this to his very core then women would find him unattractive (he might get some INITIAL attention due to his good looks but any woman who talked to him for 2 minutes and found out how unattractive his behavior was would never return). The mindset of an attractive man is very different from that of an unattractive one and thus are the resulting behaviors. Explaining these attractive beliefs and behaviors completely and in depth is a lot of time so I won't do it. But the core belief of an attractive man is that he is the most important person in the world. He is more important than everyone else. His desires, his thoughts, and his actions are more important than those of others and he and only he can judge himself. Only his opinion matters.
This belief gives this man such a powerful aura of confidence people can feel it oozing off of him. Women are driven to lust in his presence. When he confidently and unfearingly gazes into the eyes of women they melt.

js

>>42240548
>Could the guy on the right get laid just by being himself/confident?
Oh for fuck's sake..

WHAT DOES IT EVEN MATTER???????

>2017:
>Acting like getting laid is the sole purpose in your life
>"If you can't get laid you should just kill yourself, YOUR LIFE IS OVER"
That about sums up the 'logic' here.

Let me ask you and everyone else this: What is the downside of not having confidence in yourself, and I don't mean just around women, I mean in your everyday life?

Does anyone in all seriousness actually think that if you don't have "Height Face Frame" or somesuch that you should literally commit suicide or something? Melodramatic much?

Regardless of who you are or what you look like you should have confidence in yourself ALL THE TIME, no exceptions. If you can't for some reason then WORK ON IT.

This is about much more than anything as trivial as 'getting laid'. If you can't have confidence in ALL situations then you're never going to get anywhere in LIFE. You'll have shit education, shit jobs, and a shit quality of life. If you're going to allow yourself to stumble through your life every day thinking "I suck, I suck, I suck" then maybe you SHOULD kill yourself because you're wasting your life. Don't fucking DO that.

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>>42246632
>>42244597
>>42240548

>>42248432
>>42248446
Good posts desu

yeah it definitely works like >>42248432 said. i was drinking with some girl who was way out of my league in every aspect possible and she asked what i wanna do at the end and i was drunk enough to say i like fucking or something like this and she invited me over
her mom was a milf too

>>42248814
Did you fuck her mom?

>>42248432
>>42248446
You've got a few biases that I don't much care for, but the core of what you're saying is true. You're demonstrating a much higher degree of understanding of human nature in general than the average 4chan faggot; what are you even doing here? Too bad the trolls and underage b& faggots will now try to destroy you, a pity, that is.

>>42248830
no lol im a huge autist unless i had a few drinks

https://youtu.be/qCrsO1Eczog

Confidence is even noticeable at famous people.
Look at these two, same magazine, same photographer
James Franco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKdzcVJg8og
Glee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFLNRNUUz2A

Look how much more laid back and confident the first guy is, despite the 2nd guy being just as good looking and having enough money to fuck any girl.
And these two are both rich actors, used to cameras and acting in front of an entire crew

>>42248986
James have class.

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>>42244457
Don't chew gum. Just hypertrophies masseter, gives you hamster cheeks.

Only jawline solution is implants. Get titanium not silicon, it's too squishy and won't be angular - again, you'll just look like a meaty hamster not an angular sculpted god

>>42248986
>And these two are both rich actors, used to cameras and acting in front of an entire crew>>

>tfw the second one is dead

>>42248986
>>42249003
Bonus, here is a Jersey Shore photoshoot. Even though they play this confident, cocky stereotype, look how awkward most of them look in front of a real photographer, next to a real model
http://www.interviewmagazine.com/culture/jersey-shore/#

And these guys still have a lot more confidence than the average guy

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>>42249031
Yeah. I felt sorry for that guy when I found out he OD'd on heroin

>>42249032
You need face to survive in this world. Either that or Elon Musk autism.

>>42240560
lower your standards, increase the numbers

>>42242409
In looks??? Have you been outside nigga?

>>42249024
>hamster cheeks
Is that bad? :(

>>42247995
well haven't you sorted the ugly lads life out

>>42245383
Run Islam game

>>42240548

If he got rid of that ridiculous haircut, he wouldn't look like an ayy lmao. That would be the first of MANY things this poor anon could do to change his look.

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>>42248446
shitskin PUAcel cope

>>42246158
>basic bitch

This is a good thing. "Basic bitch" is a black Tumblr slur for white women with typical feminine interests. No, she's not smart, but you don't marry a woman because she's smart. You have men if you want to hold a conversation.

>>42249024
>gives you hamster cheeks.
Incorrect, that's caused by buccinator hypertrophy and not masseter hypertrophy. It is correlated with incorrect swallowing pattern.

>>42240548
It means stop constantly putting on a facade to "get women" and live life to the fullest to attract people to you.

>>42248432
>>42248446
>dedicating this much time to explaining interactions with women

holy autism

i have never seen a single website care as much about women as fit

>>42247478
pls be real

>>42249331
Every man of a certain age cares about women. Whether they would like to admit it or not. Those who don't are gay or castrated.

>>42240548

If right bulked up some and took care of that dumpsterfire of a hairdo he'd be passably "ugly hot" which some women are into. He also has better eyebrows than the guy on the left. Like holy damn those are some strong and shapely brows.

>>42248621

It's beautiful.

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>>42249399
>ugly hot
That just means a DOM masc brute like James Gandolfini though, not a deformed underdeveloped peanuthead

>>42240548
>>42240892
>>42241212
>>42243714
>>42247995
Look at Zuckerberg, ratfaced and all, yet he has a hot wife.

>>42249406

Really? To me it always meant somebody with a weird but not completely deformed face.

I'd call your pic "middle aged guy that doesn't take care of himself but isn't entirely hideous" hot.

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>>42249432
She's more masculine than him.

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>>42249431
Nah, it's guys like this (right) that are technically not good-looking, but also have the traits of a human that was built to crush skulls with their bare hands. Someone like OP could never look like that no matter how hard he tried.

>>42249412
>hot wife

Obligatory viewing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFnJMPQow7A

Tbh women aren't as visual as men but they are still pretty visual. Also good looks increase your status which is quite important for women. Also, I'd much rather be loved for my looks rather than my money. Even though this cannot ever happen to me since I am a 5/10/.

>>42249699
this guy sounds so autistic lmao

>>42249743
Posting from a mobile you nub.

>>42249758
dumb phoneposter. and i was talking about the guy in the video, he has the most off-putting voice ive ever heard really

>>42249699
>>42249743
There is no way that guy isn't legally autistic

>>42249804
>>42249743
I think he is modulating his voice using an app. nobody actually sounds that way.

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>>42249699
24 minutes about the fact that women prefer more attractive men with a voice of pic related
truly mindboggling

>>42249825
No, he sounds like a severe mouth breather whose mouth is filled with spit and gets sweaty while talking

>>42240555
There are a lot of cutegirls who would be with an ugly guy.

It's not even because of their "confidence", confidence is bullshit and bravado is enough to fool 99% of women and people in general. It's because women have extremely different taste even among each other so there are actually serious chances of a cute girl liking a guy who's considered ugly. I had a lot of 9/10 female friends and at one point most of them dated a guy who was 6 at most

>>42249883
Men overrate women and underrate men. You never see anyone here mentioning whenever the reverse happens (Cute guy with not so cute girl). It does happen (maybe not as much) but people here literally ignore this scenario.

>>42249900
i have the highest standards of all my friends and i still see a lot more hot girls with average guys than the reverse

>>42240548
have you seen what neil strauss looked liked before he became 'Style' ?

Confidence and ATTEMPTING to look good is enough.... guy on the right is not even trying while guy on the left added 1-10k tries on top of his genetics...

>>42249936
Men overestimate women because of makeup.

>>42249943
how many autistic excuses you have lmao
ive seen a lot of attractive girls dating average looking guys, i dont care how you cope with this

>>42249699
I pity men who believe this. Rather than face the music and change his mindset and behaviors to one of an attractive male he blames his lack of "looks, money, or status" for his lack of success in women. By blaming things he doesn't have he removes responsibility from himself to reason why he can't get girls. When responsibility is removed from him his ego and feelings are protected. It would be nicer that your lack of "looks, money, and status" are the main reasons you aren't getting women.but that is not the case. It is your unattractive behavior.

This statement says it all I need to know about you:
"Even though this cannot ever happen to me since I am a 5/10"

t. 30-40 lbs overweight 5'8 black guy who has had gyno since he was 13 and fucked up teeth who pulls at a big university filled with "Chads" in southern california but sucked with girls until he learned the truth about female attraction and did something about it

>>42249960
Eh to be fair you do need looks money and status for the top 15-20% of women which is the range many men aim for and end up settling.

>>42249956
So what are you doing on /fit/ then? Why are you even improving your looks.

>>42249988
high blood pressure

>>42249900

I don't think men underrate men, on the contrary I've seen men saying some dude is a major hunk while girls say he's not so good.

And I can't tell you how many objectively cute girls I've seen with horrible guys, like not even getting a wrong facial judgement but I'm talking about guys with skeleton arms and weak posture and fucked up hairline.

>>42240548
you're more confident when you're yourself but you can be yourself only when you're confident
guess what, winning the genetic/racial/economic lottery helps a lot
the guy on the right can match fuckability on the guy on the left pretty much as a school bus can match a ferrari in a race

>>42250031
So what are you even doing on /fit/ then? Why improve your looks if it doesn't matter at all. Personally, I want to be desired sexually by my gf which is why I do it.

>>42250058
>the only reason you are getting fit is to make other people happy

this board is seriously unbelievable. how can literally everything this board every does or thinks about be about girls and women.

how did this group of guys get so cucked

>>42249979
Your mindset is all wrong.
>top 15-20% of women
They are all the fucking same. None of them are special. Just because a girl is super hot and you want to fuck her doesn't mean she's better than you. It means literally nothing. Just because she's a model cheerleading doctor who is a 10/10 and makes 600k a year and fucks 6'5 400lb 2% gorillas every other week and you are a homeless obese weeabo with 5 teeth does not mean she is better than you. Just because you want to fuck girl A more than you want to fuck girl B doesn't mean you should treat girl A like she is a precious flower. These things are only true if you think they are true. And if you think they are true then it comes out in your behavior and when you meet a model you will sperg out because you think you don't deserve her and she will conclude she is better than you and you won't fuck her.

Now if you mean the top 15-20% of women in terms of looks then it still doesn't matter. Beautiful looking women will hang around guys and sometimes even fucking guys they aren't attracted to if those guys have status because of the perks of being with a guy with status. But they are biologically still women. 98% of women crave the same things sexually. They will fuck the broke confident artist and even buy him drinks the first night while they will duty fuck the rich model looking guys who have the confidence of a mouse once a month(although to be fair 95% of rich model looking guys are confident as hell lol). This is the reality of the world. If you look for evidence of this you will find it. There are plenty of good looking dudes who still suck with women (see the bodybuilding forums).

>>42250058
Lifting is good for you mate. Personally I want to have a strong back and core so I can stand tall with great posture (even though I already do so) and to be strong so I won't be walking with a cane when I am 90.

>>42250058
I'm on /fit/ because I was a fatass for years and I wanted to feel good about myself and feel healthy so I got into the gym and improved myself considerably, so now I'm happy with myself. I don't need validation, but on that note it's obvious that while its POSSIBLE for an ugly skeleton to get a girl, it's much more likely for a jacked up chad to do so. However that was never my goal

>>42250090

> If you look for evidence of this you will find it.
Not that guy, but they aggregated the needs/wants of many women across many cultures and studies and this is what they found women wanted in order:

1. Warmth and compassion or arrogance depending upon the women. (The personality meme)
2. Virility and Physical attractiveness.
3. Resources.

While its true women care alot about status, but not to the extent that 4chan and reddit make it out to be. I am also aware that Looks and resources come under status,

>>42250128
I meant irl go outside evidence. Most studies are useless because the experiment makers always look for surface level things like height and jaw line and the distance of your eyes from each other and your body fat percentage. They rarely look at self respect and pride and shamelessness and how higly one regards himself. And even in rare instances they do, how do they accurately measure this? How will they accurately say, guy A is more confident than guy B? How will they say guy A is more of a risk taker than guy B? Maybe guy A thinks he's a 3 and guy B thinks he's a 9 in confidence on a scale of 10. Maybe guy B's 9 is guy A's 3. There are a ton of variables and the behaviors that women are attracted to are brought about by intangible ideas like confidence and the willingness to take risks. Also asking women for their opinions is a useless endeavor 99% of the time. For one women care a lot about their reputation and don't want to be labelled as sluts so they will almost always give the politically correct answers (le tall, goodlooking, rich, nice). Hell they even lie on anonymous surveys. Secondly because women are attracted to things that are unable to be measured unlike something like breast size or hip to waist ratio that is able to be defined in concrete numbers a lot of them don't even know what they are attracted to. They just see a guy, interact with him or see him interact with others, feel tingles, and often wrongly assume that certain things about the man gave them tingles (like the fact that he was white or tall or blonde) and tell people that these are the characteristics that attract them. Then they randomly get attracted to some random cocky 5'4'' manlet (they are rare but they exist) and have no idea why.

>>42250237
>so they will almost always give the politically correct answers (le tall, goodlooking, rich, nice)

They actually say they care about personality and don't care about height, looks or money but nice try though. Lmao

>>42248841
You write like a complete sperg betalord

>>42250259
If they are speaking honestly (or at least believe they are) and have as much self awareness of what attracts them as the average woman does (not much) then they will say they are attracted to height, looks, and money. I think we all can agree that women are actively lying to you when they say they are attracted to "nice" guys (they mean nice -attractive- guys) But they just think they are attracted to these things because 98% of the men who are attractive (the real behaviorally attractive) are very strong in one or many of these areas. It's the classic mistaking of correlation with causation. They can't imagine themselves being attracted to some 80 year old confident manlet until it actually happens to them and then it is so embarrassing they tell nobody.

>>42250324
Please stop the "women don't have any idea what they are attracted to" meme.

>>42250376
its the same for guys. you can list characteristics you like but in the end you gonna choose a girl regardless and try to justify it with the said characteristics afterwards
i can rate both girls 7/10 and feel nothing against one and like the other

>>42250376
Most don't. And the few that do will almost never tell you. Listening to women on how to get women is literally the most pointless shit. Who you should ask are the guys who get women. It's like asking a fisherman how to fish. Except in this case the fish would be like "just leave lots of bait and don't use hooks and wait for fish to come. Actively pursuing fish is creepy" And then the fish would eat the bait and laugh at your dumb ass and fuck the Chad fish

>>42250406
Ay this guy gets it

We all know that to get women you need a big social circle where you can actually meet women

but the thing is is that i'm insufferable as a person, i'm not neurotypical and i'm autistic, i like mental things and i prefer playing chess or seeing a movie rather than talking to someone who isn't listening to me anyway

so that pretty much kills any opportunity of women anyway

>>42250406

you are a normie, therefore stupid and without self-awareness, a robot can list the things they like, because they can think for themselves

for ex, i like big jaws, big asses, big legs, submissive nature, latino features

>>42249452

you are fucking stupid if you think right is born rather than made

>>42250480
Your mindset is wrong. You don't need a social circle to meet women. You don't even need to have friends. It is true if girls see you with other cute girls laughing and having a good time with you they will instantly be attracted (pre-selection) and it helps immensely. But you can project the aura of a man who slays bitches with your attitude. You are making excuses.

>>42250531
You are like 40% correct because for men the main things that attract us are visual and easy to describe. However I bet somehwere out there you have felt attraction to a girl that wasn't your type at least once. If not you probably don't go out much. Like for me personally my "type" is thicc girls. Especially thic asians with wide hips, small waists, perky tits, fat asses, thick thighs,~5'3''. The one day I saw this qt at my university I recognized and flirted with (pathetically as I was just learning how to be attractive and ultimately I did not get her) and when she saw me she tilted her head down and simultanteously looked up at me and when she did that my heart fucking raced. A small gesture like that made me twice as much attracted to her. I realized because it was because she was displaying submissive female body language and my positive reaction is a biological reaction forged by millions of years of evolution. Another example is a girl who was no older than 16 I saw at a McDonalds. Some pretty, but thin Hispanic chick who was with her mom. I could see why men would find her attractive but she wasn't my type because she wasn't "thicc". Then she turned around and I saw these big beautiful eyes and my dick got so insanely hard. I could think of nothing but fucking her against a wall while forcing her to look me in the eyes. I don't think I have ever seen a girl with eyes like that again but I found another thing that turned me on that I didn't even know about. When you learn to behave attractively you will have the same effect on women that these women had on me.

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>>42247957
>tfw male and want a relationship
>want to be a father and have a family
>tfw incel

>>42250644
>Your mindset is wrong. You don't need a social circle to meet women. You don't even need to have friends. It is true if girls see you with other cute girls laughing and having a good time with you they will instantly be attracted (pre-selection) and it helps immensely. But you can project the aura of a man who slays bitches with your attitude. You are making excuses.

Yeah try that while you study engineering lol, I mean, it's in my fault to don't have a social circle because it's a part you have to actually put effort and develop in life, I'm also honest with myself in the fact that i'm not completely doomed, just lazy

Most people alone would have got a gf if they had better social circles, the thing is that some guys are just autistic (like me), they don't enjoy company but they would want a gf, so they are fucked because to play correctly the social circle part they would have to put actual effort

>>42250672
Fuck I hate this bullshit so much too. I don't give a shit about friends, if I happen to make them I make them but it's not a big deal either way, I just want a partner to have sex with and build a family so I have something to work for but women want you to have friends.

>>42250672
I am a fucking math major. I was at some point an engineering major and in the engineering school. There are like 2 hot girls in my entire major and they have an army of orbiters. All you need to get women are women to talk to. They don't have to be math majors. They don't have to be engineering majors. Just walk down to a dining hall or near a sorority house and start mackin. Talk to strange girls. Yes this is initially hard. Yes this is initially scary if you haven't done it before. But you can do it. It is possible. Your thinking is limited. You think that you need a social circle and to be proper and social and go to bars with people you don't like that much. You can just walk up to any girl wherever she is no matter what she is doing and no matter who she is with and talk to her. If you display enough attractive qualities she is yours. The social circle thing is the socially acceptable politically correct way to meet girls. The thing is 98% of men suck at meeting girls so it is pointless to follow their rules. You are making excuses. Even if you are some wierdo who sniffs rocks you can still get your dick sucked (although even if a woman is attracted to you if you sniff rocks in public she might not want to associate with you in public because women care about their reputation too much)

>>42250730

Well you have to realize that people actually enjoy meeting each other and building big social circles, so what you see as effort is actually pleasure for other people, that's why they find gf so easily and you don't

Honestly you have to see if the effort has enough rewards because seeking gf through social circle games will bring you stress while to normies it's just bread and games

Leave your ego at the side (don't think about how others will think about you, if you are getting humilliated or other status bullshit) and think if it will really putting effort into something you don't want will reap enough rewards or if it in the end it will be more effort than rewards

>>42250750

I get it, that is why i said i was too lazy, i can go and talk to a women but i'm really not concerned with impressing her or their friends or mantaining certain image of myself, i'm autistic and i can stay silent during group conversation because i don't want to say anything at all because it doesn't interest me in the slightest, this is obviously bad in a group conversation because attention is everything

I'm also ugly and a 5'5 manlet, i'm physically fit but obviously it doesn't matter anyway

I'm not complaining though, I enjoy other things than social life, as i said i could improve it but to my point of view the efforts don't bring the rewards i seek.... just speaking about the situation

>doing anything for women
You all are quite foolish.If you "be yourself" for women, might as well kill yourself. Ideally you don't need to be yourself because you don't have a fake persona iin the first place,but if you do, like many normalfags, then yeah, be fucking yourself. Confidence comes from self respect and respect from other people, which in turn comes from your confidence."Being yourself" for females is like learning art to draw rick and morty, or learning music and its theory to cover linkin park songs

>>42250962
linkin park is great fuck off cunt

>>42251032
>cringe

>>42251161
only autists cringe at every little social interaction and mistake

>>42250376
Except it's true
t. works in a job that is 99% female

>>42249310
you have a point I guess

>>42249412
Yeah nah, Cuckerberg is definitely the more attractive partner in the relationship. Dumb weeb.

>>42250574
>difference in height
>difference in wrist size
Yea, all it takes is 3 reps of "Grow..Grow..Grow.."

>>42249396
Wisdom.

>>42244276
The funniest thing is that these craps are usually written by men with poor social life and little to no experience with girls.

>>42250090
This. But most people won't even read you, they never go out of their house.

>>42249960
I'd like to talk with you, do you have a throwaway, a discord, anything so we could discuss?

What you faggots don't understand is that "just be yourself" only works with those that have prior experience with relationships. When you had a good childhood, with plenty of opportunities to go through the process of trail and error in socialization, "just be yourself" is a idiom that calls upon your past experiences to help you through the current situation.
For someone like myself (who was raised by batshit divorced parents and constantly moved houses/states) the opportunities to socialize never came. There is no experience to fall back on. Being Yourself™ doesn't work here when you never have any failures or successes to fall back on. Being confident won't suddenly make you realize how flirting is supposed to work, or how flirting progresses to intimacy, or how to recognize affection. It's like slapping logarithmic functions in front of 4th grader and saying "bro it's easy, just plug it in".

>>42247769
Any frame where you are around 10 feet away from your subject. So basically mind the personal space.

>>42249883
6 is not ugly dumb ass

>>42249412
>Hot
no

>>42249412
shit bait how these niggas fall for it

Not with confidence alone. He needs the money-perk to get 10's. Or just walk around in suits a lot. Looks no worse than Cumberbatch and look how many chicks dig him now that he's a famous actor.

It's literally about your looks, I'm an introverted turboautist with a nice body and a good looking face and I always have at least 2-3 decent-looking girls drooling over me

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>>42249451
how do we know its a she again ?