OHP is worthless

>>42203386
Yeah, you should stop breathing OP. It's unhealthy for society.

I like doing them with dumbbells,I'm only doing 60lbs but want to move into the 70s within a year

>>42203386
>implying powerlifters ohp

That guys legs are fucked

>>42203386
OHP is a literal meme lift popularized by tippetoe and his low t followers. Real men strict military press.

>>42203386

Get good

>>42203386
>unhealthy for the shoulders
show your work plz

>>42203386

OHP is more natural than benching lmfao

You should stop breathing though OP

>>42203386
>unhealthy for shoulders
not if you do them right; i used to have should issues, started doing proper OHP (i.e. shoulders underneath wrists, not flared, narrow-ish grip) and haven't had any since. plus my shoulders look great

when I first started coming to /fit/ it was all about the big 4 and people saying it's all you need.

Now there's a thread or 2 every day with some idiot saying squats/deadlifts/bench/ohp is useless.

It's like saying chicken is useless because you can get protein from semen.

everyone always tries to say "oh it's healthy if you do it right"

every time I've gotten close to 1pl8 ohp my left shoulder gets inflamed and takes me out of lifting for a month, dumbbell ohp doesnt do that, and actually works the delts more than barbell

>>42203589
you aren't doing it right then anon
>actually works the delts more than barbell
okay

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>>42203401

>60s to 70s within a year
>not shooting for 80s

DREAM BIG

>>42203589
>every time I've gotten close to 1pl8 ohp my left shoulder gets inflamed and takes me out of lifting for a month
>this only happens to my left shoulder, not both
>is it me?
>no, it's the lift that's fucking up my shoulder

Dumbbell OHP doesn't do that because you probably compensate for your shitty shoulder with other muscles.

>>42203386
post body

>>42203589

Yeah, so either you have a physical deformity (thats not a swipe at you thats me just listing the possibility) or you are doing the form wrong. 90% of fit does not have any issues when they do heavy OHP.

Review your form and check a doctor about your shoulder. Dont go all 'Fox and the Grapes' on us.

Are you the anon who failed an 88 lb OHP? I pity you

>>42203589
you're clearly doing it wrong you complete retard

i have a busted ac joint which hurts doing every day tasks and i can ohp without pain

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>>42203386
>I make sure to convince everyone I know to stop doing them
So you discourage people from weightlifting
Youre attitude towards lifting is poison, leave this board and your gym

>>42203600

https://breakingmuscle.com/fitness/the-overhead-press-the-actual-difference-between-seated-standing-dumbbell-and-barbell

how can you possibly do it wrong for the shoulder? I understand back arching and shit, but what could you possibly be doing wrong for a shoulder to start inflaming?

>>42203622

I actually did and both a physical therapist and the doc told me overhead movements are bad for the shoulder joint in general, but neutral grip is best (hence, barbell fixing your grip in an unhealthy position)

>>42203589

i OHP 205lb at 180lb bodyweight and I have LITERALLY no issues

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>>42203640
>>42203626
>>42203622
Shoulder impingement maybe? Previous injury or maybe some other inflammatory issue... like Lupis

>>42203589
How. How have you fucked your form up so bad that you feel pain in your shoulders. Fuck m8 I've dislocated my shoulder TWICE in BJJ. Never had an issue doing OHP. Check your grip man , fuck

>>42203655
An exercise that strengthens the shoulder joint is bad for the shoulder joint... and I'm not talking about fucking up your shoulders with bad lateral raises either...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sNYB1Q6aM&t=2s

>>42203640
i'm not sure what that link is
>muscle activation
meaningless term; what does "electromyographic activity" actually mean to you? does this mean the muscles used in the movement? the intensity with which they're worked? this is how the fitness industry takes advantage of you, by saying dumb things that sound smart that you don't know to ignore. ignore this crap anon and learn from proper strength training coachs, like Mark Rippetoe. it gets laughed at as a meme here pretty hard by idiots who don't know what they're talking about, but for people looking for a form reference and for an entry into strength training, Starting Strength is a great book.

if yourr shoulder is actually giving you problems, stop working it and ice it. take off for a few more days after it recovers. if pain persists, see a doctor. then read Starting Strength to actually learn the proper form for it, and do it the way it says.

in general, whenever you do a movement where the arm moves, you should fight to keep your back and lats tight

>>42203675
well if videos by rippletits himself isn't enough, or mr thrall, to get me doing it right, I guess I'm fucked

>>42203386

>tfw finally OHPd lmao1pl8 in front of my PT bro and my acrobatic champion sister

m-maybe I'm not just a weak nerd who is doomed to get bullied by Chad from High school all along...

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>>42203386
I enjoy your anger and frustration as you see your gym crush watching me Press my bodyweight for reps.

>>42203731
i could OHP 1pl8 with long limbs in hs anon
keep climbing

>>42203655
sound like you went and saw a pair of work out zeros

>>42203730
See>>42203470
If you can't do a strict military press without injuring yourself (protip: learn the difference between pain and an injury and stop being a bitch), then please just kill yourself.

>>42203763

I OHPd it twice. I'm not in highschool rn, what I meant is the typical Chads from highschool still bully me.

>>42203721
i read the link further - it's not wrong, but you are gleaning the wrong conclusions from it. it is not saying dumbbells are not superior to barbells. it is just saying that "electromyographic activity" (which again means nothing to you) is higher in some cases, lower in others. the conclusions of that article are actually spot on, but make sure you read it correctly.

>>42203800
just twice? wait, you actually max? people actually do this? i just keep increasing my working set weight
3x5 at 155lbs for OHP kouhai

>>42203816

yeah bro I was figuring out my 1rm. 1/4 badges for the 1/2/3/4 is not bad, considering I'm a novice.

>>42203800
Shut up, nerd. Go tongue a calculator, fag.

OHP is a great test of strength but not good at building strength. Bench and dips both load tris and anterior delts way more (primary movers on OHP). The lower kinetic chain is better trained squatting and DLing.

OHP can expose your weak links and a heavy OHP shows your body is in general strong.

But again, it isn't heavy enough to train upper body sufficiently

OHP and lowbar Squats are all you need


OHP is total raw strength

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>>42203878
You're a fucking idiot. Never offer your opinion here again.

>>42203902
Fat powerlifting fag. See ya

>>42203878
Have fun with your shoulder injuries bro, I bet you can't wait to be that oldtimer saying "I used to bench 315 before I blew out my shoulder"

>>42203840
1/2/3/4 is horribly disproportionate, that's why
OHP max should be much higher
every time i see 1/2/3/4 i'm reminded that just because something is written nicely and looks nice doesn't mean it is a good idea

>>42203401
>taking a whole year to go from 60 to 70 on your OHP

Nigga I did that in like a week

>OHP down 12 percent on symmetics strength
>other lifts improve
>OHP always a struggle
>have done 140x5 before, but I guess I peaked and I now do 125x5 after a year and a half of lifting

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>>42203913
Easy twink, don't go shoot up the gym now. I'm sure everyone is impressed with your 150lb physique.

>>42203470
>OHP is literally a meme
>Real men military press
What did he mean by this?

>>42203985
probably just someone in the military who thinks he should defend the military press but isn't aware that the movement actually has nothing to do with the military and in fact gives it a bad image because it's a trash movement

>>42203943

It's just meant to be the minimum milestones like "you're decently strong if you can do a minimum of this on all your lifts" it doesn't mean stop there. I'm aiming to be able to do 100kg 1rm minimum, which for me (a very weak and frail manlet) is not bad.

>>42203386
OHP is a solid lift. If I knew how to progress them I'd drop most other pressing for them but fuck if I know. That lift has caused me endless grief.

>>42203589
Do that weird stretch where you bend at the waist and place your hands at the edge of a table/counter at waist height. Then have your boyfriend push down in the center of your shoulder blades. I fucking hate this stretch because it fucking kills, but it'll allow more vertical flexibility in the shoulders, and should take a large portion of the load off the delts.

You can thank me later

>>42203998
it's a bad minimum milestone that caught on because it's pretty to write even though it's trash, stop caring about it
also, being a manlet sucks (mostly because of all the hate you get on /fit/) but your shorter limbs mean you'll be able to lift more than non-manlets since your mechanical advantage is great
the ideal power lifter is a dwarf

>>42203985
>What did he mean by this?
Do you not know the difference between the two lifts?

>>42203386

I fell forthe OHP meme and fucked up my shoulder. 3 weeks now in constant pain.

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>>42203386
>OHP is worthless

i found the weak little bitch who can't OHP at all everybody. let's all point and laugh at this bitch retard.

>>42204041

well I'm 174cm/176cm depending on what time I measure myself and have really good leg genetics (I calf raised 80kg the other day for 15 reps) so I'm trying. I'd say 1234 is a good cut off point at least though, it shows you've been lifting for around 1-1.5 years and aren't a complete novice.

>>42204054
>it's the exercise's fault that i'm a stupid, weak idiot who doesn't understand the value of proper form

>>42204104
stop it
stop with the 1/2/3/4
you have literally no reason to think it is good for any reason except for the mindless spewing of it by idiots on this board

i'm not sure if the the calf-raising/good leg genetics was a joke. if it's not, understand that your calves are incredibly powerful muscles and that 80kg for 15 reps is nothing to them. maybe you do have wonderful genetics, who kows (and who cares) but that acheivement isn't telling you that

>>42204161

It was a joke lmao. And what the fuck man, 100kg bench isn't impressive by normie standards? 180kg deadlift isn't a good cut off from novices?

>>42204104
80kg for 15 reps is fucking shit mate. Come back when you can do 200kg

>>42203675
Twice really isn't that much honestly. Getting caught in something happens pretty often, and if you compete it happens a lot.

>>42204025

but what if it's not the delts, but something like a rotator cuff muscle?

>>42203946

he's talking about dumbbells you fucking moron

>>42203519
>shoulders underneath wrists

dafuq

>>42203386
>tfw all the manlets shilling OHP

For those of us that actually have arms, OHP sucks.

>>42204413
If he/you can bring your arms up 180 degrees without any significant arching in his/your spine, then it's not the delts.

Without lots info, internet diagnosis doesn't help lol.

>>42204633

When. Will. They. Learn. ?.

>>42204633
6'2" here
how about you stop complaining and just git gud, OHP makes our arms super thick

>>42203386
>Is there a more meme lift than barbell OHP? Such a useless lift, unhealthy for the shoulders.
I know OP is trolling because OHP is the exact opposite of what he said
>healthy for the shoulders unless you're doing a standing incline bench press
>single best lift to gauge someone's upper body strength

>>42204547
Autistic way of saying "hands shoulder width apart". Is my best guess.

>>42204860
>>42204547
meant to say elbows

>>42204885
shoulders underneath elbows

>>42203461
He doesn't have the time for leg day but he doesn't want to skip it, so he just works his left.

>>42203520
>He doesn't get the bulk of his proton from semen
Get a load of this fag

>>42203449
Every one of them I know, does.