Netflix is shilling this documentary. The main point is that

Another one of (((their))) psyops

Meanwhile you go on youtube and look at Low Carb Down Under videos to see doctors after doctor, professor after professor telling you how their health is perfect and they literally drink butter and eat nothing but meat.

>>42115184
just dont eat too much sugar and shit food and youll be fine

>>42115273
Who?

watching it right now, OP

quite hilarious how much shilling is going on

absolutely none of the people giving the advice in the video look
a) healthy
or
b) like they lift

what I want to know is who funded it

>>42115273
(((their))) psyops is fooling the american goy into buying and eating truckloads of cancerous meat and dairy every single day. Then, like a factory line, they get cancer, pay HUNDREDS of thousands for chemo therapy, only to die. Chemo has NO success rate.

Eat a whole foods plant based diet. That's the red pill. We're physiologically herbivores. The "caveman" meme is just a meme.

>>42115354
No bruh you don't understand , BIG GRAIN is behind all of that ( it's not like they make most of their money from feeding cattle haha )

this documentary made me vegan and i feel so fucking good now compared to when i was eating meat/dairy

>>42115354
>humans eat meat for literally hundreds of thousands of years
>humans still eat meat
>it's the jews!!!!!111

You guys are borderline retarded.

>>42115354
My mom beat cancer with chemo, fuck outta here with that

>>42115354
Yeah, meat is causing cancer. It can't possibly be other things like the car exhaust belched all over and everywhere, so much so that some cities have smog alerts.

>>42115354
>We're physiologically herbivores.
We just so happen to be the only physiologically herbivore ape without the ability to digest fiber.

Really makes me think.

>>42115184
small amounts of farm meat are fine

large amounts of factory meat are not fine

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>The main point is that meat, milk and eggs are awful for you.

im glad the truth is starting to come out, however some people resist the very clear evidence and so be it. everybody has the right to do with their general health and well being whatever they want to

imo milk products all should be banned immediately, 85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins. meat consumption should be hugely reduced

>>42115477
>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins.
>Lactose is a carb
Are you retarded on purpose?

Also: Shitskin detected.

SwoleLeft fuck off you faggots. Go shove avocados up your ass

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>the longest, most all encompassing study on human health ever conducted
>conducted by medical doctors
>no -bergs, -steins, or -mans involved
>in fact, just Americans and chinks

And the results were undeniably that meat in excess and dairy in any amount are toxic.

Veganism is a gay political movement full of fucking fags and twinks. Whole Food Plant Based is where it's at. Now that doesn't mean "no meat", just that an overwhelming majority of caloric intake should be from plant matter. You get more micronutrients and all the macros you need from plants.

weird how this doco says meat and dairy gives you cancer but every vegan I know is a cancerous fuck with no life

>>42115184
had the makings of a great documentary but its blatent vegan propaganda.

Any truth was overlooked by the presenter and his surf420 BRO image and the use of the same 2 or 3 people to explain everything. They were asking effectively receptionists intricate questions and pretending like it was a big deal that they couldn't answer their questions and made a hash of it.

2/10

>>42115477
>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins
no human is allergic to dairy protein.
subhumans are.

>>42115511
I prefer my Lactase persistent genes thank you.

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>>42115490
I see the ridiculous dairy consumption has blurred your thinking and made you an angry meathead kek

>>42115490
lactose, aka "milk sugar," is a carbohydrate, aka "sugar," yes

>>42115477
i kind of agree, except we should ban ultra-pasteurized factory milk and encourage a market for farm-fresh raw milk

Just read white papers and you''ll never have to read or watch meme news again.

>>42115490
>Shitskin detected
Nah

Only a germanic could come with something like that


They think their opinion matter

>>42115526
im not referring to lactose intolerance, im referring to variety of allergic reactions people show in studies when milk is consumed

>>42115184
I haven't watched it but animal protein, milk, and eggs ARE bad for you.

>>42115354
>herbivore
>can't digest cellulose at all
>canine teeth
Had to warm up the ol' gray matter for this one

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>>42115511
>You get more micronutrients
Objectively false.
Micros from plants are rarely digestible, where meat micros are super easy for our bodies to absorb and process.

Here is 191kcals of liver. Show me a single plant, with 191kcals that will get anywhere close to touching this micro density.

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>>42115537
>kind of agree, except we should ban ultra-pasteurized factory milk and encourage a market for farm-fresh raw milk

no we should not. you people just dont get this dont you? cow's milk is not a food for humans simple a that.

are you a farmer perhaps and your livinghood is struggling because milk is beoming obsolete. raw cow milk is just a bad does not change anything

>>42115511
Also, vegans are fucking commies who want to liberate animals or some shit. I'm a moderate right nationalist (not NatSoc because socialism can't work unless we homogenize our demographics, but that's a /pol/ level conversation, far below /fit/ I hope) so miss me with that Commie shit.

>>42115477
Banning things is stupid because that limits freedoms, which should be next to unlimited. People need to be informed though and these pussy docu-dramas are what makes WFPB look like a joke. That's where the Jewery is, controlling of information, especially cancer rates and studies among the population which is directly linked to diet.

Big dairy and corn are the enemies. And Al Gore. He's a fuck.

>>42115562
They are bad if you want to have low testosterone like a vegecuck

>>42115477
Thank you for the red pill, Mrs Hershlag.

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>>42115586
this has nothing to with liberating animals it's about general health. we have serious issues currently in western world compared to for example, japan. starting from obesity epidemic to diabetes and such illnesses. all are result of the diet of the west which is badly scewed. it's a terrible situation a typical 50-year old is on a bunch of unnecessary medications and when they'll get older their health only goes quikly south with the typical meat-dairy diet

>>42115605
but none of those things increase your testosterone, anon

>>42115569
>cherry picking one meat source that most Americans won't touch even thought it's delicious

I'll concede that liver is one of the most nutrient dense foods available. However, liver consumption in the States is limited comparatively (can't speak for other countries). An overwhelming majority of meat consumed in the US is either chicken, pork, or beef cuts that are high in fat and protein and low in just about everything else. Fuck, look at what the average /for/ user eats; chicken breast and brown rice et nauseum.

Calcium is much more bio-available from plants than it is from dairy, the most cited "good for you" reason the dairy industry throws around, conveniently leaving out that the acidity in milk and meat strips the calcium from your bones to combat it.

Also humans consume way more B vitamins than are usually necessary, so that's moot

>>42115354
really gets you thingken

>>42115578
I know it's for baby cattle, but I'm also white, so idgaf. think about it this way:

>most children are routinely forced to down an entire glass of pasteurized factory milk at least once daily. the natural microbial population of the milk is compromised, it contains lactose and usually saturated fat, and is generally cheap and disgusting garbage. i haven't drank a glass of milk since my parents stopped forcing me to. bad dairy in excess.

on the other hand,
>the best cheese I've ever eaten is made from raw goat milk on a small farm. the goats are treated very well, roam and graze freely, and generally live better than most humans. this cheese costs $9 a wedge, so I can only afford to put a few thin slices on a sandwich - that's fine because it's flavorful enough. good dairy in moderation.

but wait,
>people everywhere are eating things that other people don't consider "human food": insects, testicles and other offal, parasitic fungi (corn smut is a mexican delicacy), raw fish, shellfish, crustaceans, "weeds" (dandelion greens are amazing), and in some cases literal earth from the ground. it's dumb to think there's "human food" and "non-human food."

>>42115477
>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins
And what if you're not, like the vast majority of people on this board?

>>42115622
I agree with you on everything except terminology. I just think that the term "vegan" has become a cancerous buzzword that instantly brings up mental images of skeltal cucks and commies and in the world we live in, image is everything when trying to make a point, even to strangers on an anonymous Siamese pottery enthusiasts website. I just prefer to say Whole Food Plant Based because I still enjoy meats and even though these Netflix documentaries paint any amount of meat as the enemy, I still enjoy it and the benefits it does bring (B vitamins, micro nutrient metals and a protein boost, plus they're goddamn delicious) so I won't sacrifice that small amount I do eat and therefore my quality of life. Plant Based is just better for me than Plant Only

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>>42115184
>NETFLIX is shilling
Nope you are

>>42115458
>>The main point is that meat, milk and eggs are awful for you.
So I gotta eat some bullshit farm raised organic pricey ass meats?

>>42115623
Eating multiple eggs daily is like running a low cycle. Your body thrives on fat, anon.

>>42115458
>small amounts of farm meat are fine
Yes, as in it making no more than 5 percent of your diet.

>>42115718
broscience

>>42115740
Or, you know, every legit study done in the last decade.

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>>42115648
Any seafood, is nearly the same. Attached is 200kcals of salmon. There is no plant going to touch that.

And you milk point is false, the only people that think that are vegan cucks like gregor. The National Osteoporosis Foundation says you are wrong.

Also: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992

The hypothesis is complete hogwash. Milk calcium is good for you and the most bioavailable dietary calcium.

Deal with it.

>>42115752
Yeah? Link some

>>42115442
Kek

>>42115703
He's allowed to consider himself affiliated with his employer, so what he said was correct

>>42115703
OP here. I really don't know what to believe. I don't eat much milk but I love muh meats and eggs. Do they really cause cancer? This documentary is saying even chicken causes cancer. I watched my girlfriend's uncle die of cancer, it was the worst thing I've ever seen. He also chain-smoked and worked in a tape factory. Do foods play that big of an impact or is it the environment? Sure, if you eat hotdogs everyday, your shit is fucked. But an average diet??

>>42115775
I don't know anything about eggs increasing the risk of cancer but animal protein increases IGF-1 which will increase your risk of cancer, hence why it is best to limit animal protein consumption.

>>42115843
eggs are still bad because they raise your cholesterol

>>42115843
>IGF-1
Doesn't it also give you more gains? And are you sure it increases the *risk* of cancer? It was my understanding that it made existing cancers more potent and aggressive, but didn't necessarily make you any more likely to actually get it.

>>42115477
>everybody has the right to do with their general health and well being whatever they want to
>milk products all should be banned immediately
love how nobody is taking your not so subtle bait.

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>>42115775
There are so many factors with what causes cancer. To simply say eating burgers everyday is the sole reason is silly. If it was this simple, no one would have cancer. All they have to do is eat non meat and they'll be fine. Does that sentence feel like it's valid to you?
Of course not. Does eating less meat related products help. Yes. Does avoiding deli meats, and anything over processed a good idea? Sure.
To me it's like lung cancer. Some sons of bitches can smoke their whole life and be fine. Others can only do it for a short period of time or not at all, and whammo they have lung cancer. Sure, smoking cigs will increase the chance definitely. But it isn't the sole reason.
I think a lot of veganism is very good. But to negate the benefits of meat and eggs, at least to me, is beyond just avoiding cancer and sickness. It's like these people have been looking for something all their lives to feel good about and shit on others. Instead of having a sense of compassion and understanding. Funny, they have empathy for animals but very little for humans.

>>42115843
>hence why

opinion discarded

>>42115843
>>42115908
oh and igf-1 is only an issue if you already have cancer. it doesn't increase your risk of getting it.

>>42115756
The only thing your picture proves is that there is a lot of protein in salmon (which is true, but unnecessary. Contrary to /fit/'s broscience you don't need 1kg per ounce of body weight) it has vitamin D (go outside, your body produces it naturally, also leafy greens crush D vits) and some heavy metals. Congrats, it's absolutely nothing.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/

Harvards students performing studies agree that milk and meat leaches calcium from bones.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/minerals/calcium

Oregon state studies show that the calcium in broccoli, spinach and the cabbage and best families are just as, if not more useful to the human body as that in dairy.

There are studies going both ways and it'd take years to boil away all of the studies conducted with a slanted point of view and get the real facts out of them. The results depend almost completely on who is conducting or finding the studies. As much weight as we give to the scientific community, oftentimes things are ignored to swing data, and that's coming from a member of the scientific world.

My main point is this: people eat too much meat and not enough veggies. I'm not a vegan, I've said elsewhere I think veganism is cancer. I just think that most of the human physiology points to that we should be predominantly herbivores (long digestive track with comparatively low acidity, jaw structure and that most of our teeth are molars for plants, etc) compared to something like a dog, predominantly a carnivore. BUT I absolutely agree that meat is and should remain a factor of human diet. There is a lot of good that comes out of meats, especially meats raised how cows evolved to live, in a pasture eating grass, not force fed corn. I don't believe that for the cows sake since the end result is the same, but for ours.

I do challenge to read the China Study though, get a different (peer reviewed) perspective on things. Plus it's a good read.

>>42115868
Not too sure if it increases your gains, it makes sense that it would but I couldn't find any info on how much IGF-1 affected your gains when I spent 15 minutes looking haha.

This is the paper I read on low animal protein reducing the risk of cancer: http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00062-X

>>42115337
Plenty of doctors are fat and unhealthy and smoke and drink. It's a high stress job.

>>42115708
it doesn't matter if the meat costs $20/lb or more because you shouldn't be eating that much of it anyway. you want to buy your meat from a source as close to the actual person who slaughtered the animal as possible.

>>42115729
yes. I've been shilling the "90-95% whole grains, produce, and legumes" diet for a while here.

>>42115522
Every vegan I know is a hot, thin college girl

>>42115934
>humans have molars , thus they should eat predominantly vegetable matter

Humans have evolved alongside the use of fire to prepare the meat that was hunted down.
Exactly the fact that humans had such a nutritious source of easily chewable and digestible energy made our jaw muscle shrink and open up more space for the brain case.

I try to eat a lot of veggies, but I also consume milk products like low fat milk and cottage cheese. And I do eat meat from time to time.

>>42115901
What are the benefits of eggs? I've heard so many people talk about "good" cholesterol in eggs, but the body makes all it's own cholesterol. That leaves eggs filled with protein and fat

>>42115337
>what I want to know is who funded it

Wiki:
>What the Health was written, produced, and directed by Kip Andersen and Keegan Kuhn, the production team for the documentary Cowspiracy.

Kip Andersen:
>He is the founder of AUM Films and Media, a 501c3 non-profit focused on creating films and media that promote thrivability, compassion, and harmony for all life. He is also an entrepreneur, as well as a certified Jivamukti and Kundalini yoga teacher.

>>42115442
that really activates my almonds

>>42116010
Yes the body makes its own.
300-400mcg can come from eggs 2-3 eggs. So are they necessary. No. I just add them in my diet bc I like them and as an aging man I need all the help i can get to keep my test levels from depleting as I age. I personally enjoy hard boiled eggs in my salad or wth some toast.
So in the end, it's a subjective need.

>>42115985
Well I listed that last because it's the least tenable, the more major points are that our digestive system is way longer, about 1/10 the acidity and much less smooth (even more surface area on top of length increase) as compared to cats and dogs. Also our jaw can move laterally, something carnivores are incapable of doing. That being said, I do believe humans are omnivores because our bodies have been designed by nature to be so unbelievably versatile and low maintenance compared to almost everything else that it's ridiculous. I just can't get on board with dairy now even though I drank and ate just as much cow juice as anyone else. Health studies aside, cow titty is gross

>>42115442
Actually our gut bacteria, when regularly eating fiber, breaks down fiber into MCFA, the kind of fat in coconut oil. This MCFA is also one of the main mechanisms in appetite regulation, and is typically why as fiber intake goes up, weight goes down. It's not because "lol fiber fills you up!", it's because we're supposed to eat that and have physiological mechanisms that rely on it.

What the fuck is with all the vegetarian/vegan shilling here lately? Did somebody hire all the out of work ex clinton shills to push this shit?

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>>42115985
>humans have evolved alongside the use of fire to prepare the meat that was hunted down.

oh jesus for fuck sake what a story. humans have been farmers for 10 000 years and 99% of the calories have always come from foods such as rice, potatos, corn, wheat

damn it started to rain and i had to come back to argue on 4chan holy shiiiet

>>42115425
There is someone behind the Keto diet. Adkins didn't catch on so they re wrapped it. Tell an American meat is healthy and muh protein, and they'll eat it 24/7.

>>42115523
>They were asking effectively receptionists intricate questions and pretending like it was a big deal that they couldn't answer their questions and made a hash of it.

This was my only problem with the film. Go ask a floor associate at a retail store how a product works, or why they stock this or that. They just stock the fucking shelves, man. Just like in the movie, they're just some $10/hr person to direct calls.

What's the vegan argument against fish? Don't try and tell me it's unhealthy and causes cancer.

>>42116066
It's hard to argue against veganism.

>>42115901
>Does that sentence feel like it's valid to you?

Seeing as red meat is now a Group 2A carcinogen, meaning it probably causes cancer. So yes. No one is saying if you follow this one magical rule you'll never get cancer.

If you work in a chemical factory and are plant based, obviously you'll have a high risk. If you're a smoker and eat plant based, you'll obviously have a high risk of lung cancer.

If you're plant based vs animal based, you'll have a significantly lower risk of developing many forms of cancer - especially digestive tract cancers, and atherosclerosis, which happen to be the most prevalent causes of death in the US.

>>42116109
>Don't try and tell me it's unhealthy and causes cancer.

It is and does.

>>42115554
Show proof or shut up

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>>42116146

fat slobs will believe meat and dairy is healthy so they can rest assured they're on the right track and feel good about themselfs. It takes alot to convince them that they are not psychopathic toxic gluttonous cancerous overfed nutritient-lacking retarded meatheads.

>>42115184
>what the health
Wouldn't watch it based on the name alone desu

>>42116082
u can eat vegan on keto u fucking idiot. u even eat less protein then normal on keto. ur supposed to eat avocados olive oil nuts seeds veggies like spinach, not eggs and beef.

fucking idiot

>>42116199
>u
>u
>u
>ur

>>42116220
>;)

>>42116137
>Seeing as red meat is now a Group 2A carcinogen, meaning it probably causes cancer. So yes. No one is saying if you follow this one magical rule you'll never get cancer.

if you'd read the actual paper instead of being an alarmist herbivore, you'd know that it increases the rate of getting colon cancer from 2% to an astounding 2.02% if processed and red meat are consumed in large amounts over Y E AR S

LEEEEEEEAVE

>>42116285
>instead of being an alarmist herbivore

I eat meat, brosephino. I'm just a realist and care about my health. Anyway:

>The cancer risk related to the consumption of red meat is more difficult to estimate because the evidence that red meat causes cancer is not as strong. However, if the association of red meat and colorectal cancer were proven to be causal, data from the same studies suggest that the risk of colorectal cancer could increase by 17% for every 100 gram portion of red meat eaten daily.

Second paragraph of #13:
http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

I actually looked for the source to see if you were right, because that would have been great news to be honest.

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>>42115184
>Anyone seen this shit? Is it real or what
It's more propaganda full of bad science and dietary misinformation
>>42115354
>eating truckloads of cancerous meat and dairy every single day.
Except they aren't.
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>(cont.)

>>42116368
>tfw eaten 1kg of red meat during the day and now have cancer
Will i be ok senpai

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>>42115354
>Chemo has NO success rate.

And here I was thinking my old man was alive and well, thanks for clearing that up.

>>42116425
>(cont.)
>>42115354
>Eat a whole foods plant based diet. That's the red pill. We're physiologically herbivores. The "caveman" meme is just a meme.
>>42116076
Human have been eating meat for majoritarily as long as we've been around. This has been overwhelmingly proven both scientifically and by our historical record and in fact, there is even a proven period in human history where we ate majoritarily meat/animal products
>People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate)
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html?m=1&zx=1931c8ee82d28297
And top add just another small drop in the ocean of proof here's Loren Cordain's debate with T. Collin Campbell where he cites further numerous studies on the matter.
>http://www.catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf
>(cont.)

>>42116425
>>42116461
shoo shoo shill

>>42116436
>Lol I smoke a pack a day and don't have cancer :p

Cancer is an obtuse disease. It takes many, many years of treating your body like an indestructible machine to develop. My uncle drank himself to a 600+lbs body weight over the course of 20 years before finally getting stomach cancer.

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>>42116461
>citing a fucking blogspot

Come on guy it's like you're not even trying. Grab a .edu .org, hell, even a reputable .com that's not a fucking forum.

>>42116486
>risk of colorectal cancer could increase by 17% for every 100 gram portion of red meat
Will 1kg of red meat eaten during the day guarantee cancer or is this bullshit?

>>42116446

Same. Guess my aunt is dead and there's some cyborg running her office right now.

>>42116461
>(cont.)
>>42115775
>Do they really cause cancer?
No
>>42116010
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=eggs
>>42115511
>the longest, most all encompassing study on human health ever conducted
And it's fucking garbage
>>42115843
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>And the results were undeniably that meat in excess and dairy in any amount are toxic.
Those results were bullshit when they were made in the past and these same claims are bullshit now
>>42116137
>Seeing as red meat is now a Group 2A carcinogen, meaning it probably causes cancer. So yes. No one is saying if you follow this one magical rule you'll never get cancer.
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>>42116468
shoo shoo pseudoscientist

>>42116186
>mercury
>worms

>>42116512
>Come on guy it's like you're not even trying.
It's like you're to not even trying, to read, at all
>Grab a .edu .org, hell, even a reputable .com that's not a fucking forum
How about you grab a pair of glasses because you clearly need them, and actually try to read what I posted, or better yet; do the research yourself instead of whining over basic science and nutrition you should have learned in school.

>>42115184
>Shilling fruit and vegetables

Are you fucking stupid?

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>>42116615
>instead of whining over basic science and nutrition you should have learned in school.
Clearly you are retarded or skipped nutrition class in school.
Look at how all the fats and sugars are in the meat and milk groups.
This is how you should be eating.

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Why do you retards reply to bait?

how new are you retards that you reply to bait?

or are you all just this unintelligent?

>>42116689
>Clearly you are retarded or skipped nutrition class in school
>This level of projection, shitposting and ignoring my posts again
>This is how you should be eating.
And you should be reading, but we both know you won't do that will you

>>42116712
Because we all know it's not going anywhere anytime soon, maybe just maybe there are people who don't know enough to refute this vegan bullshit and these threads constanstly devolve into the same 'propaganda shitposting' vs. 'scientific fact' debates anyway

>>42115184
That documentary is so full of shit its incredible.
Its so full of cherry picking and hired people who are "experts".

Its ridiculous.

I wouldn't say vegans are /fit/. I know of 5 fags who got fatter on a vegan diet cause all they eat are vegan junk food. It's a vegan diet. Can't eat veggie chips forever.

>>42115354
My uncle was some vegan hippy piece of shit who ended up getting cancer. at 45 years old Chemotherapy saved him in the end, while his vegan diet did nothing for him.

>>42115511
The china study is a huge failure. And the criticism it gets is staggering.

>>42116689
God you're retarded posting that shit. Vegetables are better for you than processed breads and pastas.

I mean seriously? ELEVEN(!) serves of pasta per day?

>Muh cancer

Strangely even in studies on cigarette smoking cancer only happens at an increased rate among people living in the city . But there's no possible way it could be from living in a wretched fume filled hive and has to be caused by something actively consumed because then it feels preventable.

>>42115867

No.

They contain a high level of cholesterol, but there's no proof that it raises it in your body after consumption.

People keep making a link that doesn't exist, and the misinformation gets repeated.

>>42115354
As a vegan, you are 90% more likely to die early than a person with a balanced and healthy diet.

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>>42115184
I hate that people get their information from shitty netflix 'documentaries' nowadays.

>>42115314

Agenda 21 at the UN, for example.

>>42117362
As a human, you are 100% likely to die in your lifetime

>>42115314
(((Them)))

>>42117362
Check this (You)
You're retarded. There is nothing healthy or balanced about putrid cow excretions (dairy) from a sick, chemically treated cow. It's also not healthy or balanced to eat flesh that is full of cancer causing nitrates. The saturated fats and cholesterol only help to kill you faster.

The sat fats and cholesterol meme joe rogan et al are fooling you with is the ULTIMATE anti-redpill.

You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with human physiology.

i've never seen something shilled so hard here

>>42115184
ive lowered my intake of meat and eggs also no milk. been feeling pretty good, those beans and lentills make it so you are never hungry and are super nutritious

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>>42115337
This is rich (pic related).

>The muscle cells are accumulating fat particles

Whut

>>42115314
To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed criticise.

>>42116109
mercury and many other contaminants also animal protein

>>42115337
Best one yet at minute 27;

>Gubbament is forcing knee grows to drink dairy because they made a chart one time, that's institutionalized racism

REEEEE

>>42119983
Trace amounts and only carnivore fish. Animal protein is superior.

>>42115354
Hi /Pol. More misinformation posts I see.

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>>42117161
strangerly cigarette smoking is causing much less cancer in low-to-zero dairy and meat nations like in japan where chain smoking is a norm, still the cancer rates are tiny compared to west. this is because people are much healthier in general, you wont have the dangerous smoking + diet combination you have in the west

breast cancer for example (which has direct link to dairy consumption) is unheard of in japan.

>>42120643
>Breast cancer unheard of in Japan
>Breasts not present in Japan

Wonder if there's a correlation between the total number of breast cells and your chance to get breast cancer. Wonder why men have such a low breast cancer rate.

Also I wouldn't characterize Asian chain-smoking as "the norm", just more prevalent than in the west.

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>>42115314
The globalist

>>42115184

Our teeth are designed to eat meat. Our ancestors have eaten diary for generations.

We've evolved to handle this. Also you really think a lion eating gazelle is getting cancer from eating meat? Quit being a fag.

>>42115184
Totally fucking bullshit. Made my wife freak out about the eggs and red meat. I was like, they made no correlation with burnt food. Charred shit has carcinogens. A fucking properly cooked steak? Cut the fat off and it's a superfood imo.

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>>42120837
>Our teeth are designed to eat meat.
pic
>Our ancestors have eaten diary for generations.
In what other ways does your life resemble your ancestors anon? Do you carry your spear to work? Does your boss whip you? At what age did your 9 siblings and 7 children die? 2 or 5? How's that bear pelt, keeping you warm?
You don't vaccinate, use electricity or drive cars, do you?

>Jews says x causes cancer and makes money
Whoa.

>>42119991
this is the point of the film at which it becomes completely obvious that the film is just a giant agenda push

>>42121570

boy

you came in right salty

sounds like you need some meat? Hungry, fella?

imagine being so privileged that you can live long enough to die from something diet related instead of malaria or starving to death. god forbid you enjoy those bonus years!

>>42115490
Biochem major here

The definiton of a carbohydrate is a molecule with a ratio of C1H2O1, and lactose has a chemical formula of C11H22O11. Ergo it's a carb

Also lactose is part glucose, it's a disaccharide composed of galactose and glucose

>>42122402
10/10 rebuttal you sure showed me, gonna go eat a gyro now

the narrator for the film looks like such a faggot

>>42115184
It's probably terrible for you if you are not trying to gain weight.
If you want to grow like a baby cow, eat like a baby cow. Fuck it, eat the baby cow and steal its gains.

They should make a documentary about how it's unhealthy to sit on your ass all day and watch Netflix documentaries

>>42115314
Da joos

It was made by socialist chris hedges chink import bride

>>42117284
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2015/06/24/ajcn.114.100305.short

>>42116013
Hahaha.
Mystery solved.
Another netflix propaganda.

I have no idea what to believe with regards to diet. It feels like every study that comes out is biased or was funded by some meme organization trying to increase profits in their subsector of the food industry. The only time I feel gross is after eating stuff fried in tons of sugar and nasty oil, specifically when bread is involved, so that's all I try to avoid.

I'm also lean as fuck, but I do eat a lot of the things mentioned here that are labeled as bad. Eggs, whole milk, chicken and beef. It's pretty nuts to change your diet based on some meme studies that I can't personally vouch for. What do you guys do?

>>42115569

And witth that little piece of liver comes 400mg of cholesterol, 3g saturated fat, a toxic dose of copper that also decreases the absorption of other minerals in your diet, and a toxic level of vitamin A

But I mean hey, it has B-vitamins, so it's good for you. That's what you were going for, right?

>>42117284

>They contain a high level of cholesterol, but there's no proof that it raises it in your body after consumption.

There's a lot of evidence for this

http://www.ibcmt.com/2009-03-16-EffectsOfDietaryCholesterolOnSerumCholesterol-PaulHopkins.pdf

>People keep making a link that doesn't exist, and the misinformation gets repeated.

The irony. It's the opposite; there's clear science showing that dietary cholesterol does raise blood cholesterol, but the phrase "dietary cholesterol doesn't affect blood cholesterol" is apparently so catchy that people just keep repeating it and ignoring contradictory data.

>>42124210

>Supported by USDA agreement 1950-51000-073 and the American Egg Board, Egg Nutrition Center.

>>42124465
http://www.fettke.com.au/fructose/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Egg-consumption-bmj-2013.pdf

>>42124571

>"higher consumption of eggs" = 1 egg per day, not associated with CHD or stroke
>except in diabetics, who are at higher risk of heart disease and therefore would show the relationship more clearly

When looking at 1 egg per day as the max, it's down to the strength of the design of individual studies to be able to detect the relationship among the rest of the diet. The fact that they could see an increase among diabetics at even this low intake suggests that eggs do contribute to heart disease risk.

>>42124671
I agree that more evidence is required on the association of dietary cholesterol and CVD before people start consuming a lot of eggs.

I personally will be limiting my egg consumption based on the current evidence that I'm aware of.

>>42124183
yup tha fucking jooos

you get enough protiens eating plants. like at apes for example they only it plants and shredded is fuck.

>>42124446
>>42124446

"Serum cholesterol concentration is clearly increased by added
dietary cholesterol but the magnitude of predicted change is
modulated by baseline dietary cholesterol. The greatest response
is expected when baseline dietary cholesterol is near zero, while
little, ifany, measurable change would be expected once baseline
dietary cholesterol was > 400-500 mg/d. People desiring max-
imal reduction ofserum cholesterol by dietary means may have
to reduce their dietary cholesterol to minimal levels (< 100-150
mg/d) to observe modest serum cholesterol reductions while
persons eating a diet relatively rich in cholesterol would be ex- pected to experience little change in serum cholesterol after add-
ing even large amounts ofcholesterol to their diet."

Yeah, but the article outright states that it doesn't matter.

Put me in a closed room with anyone who participated in the making of that movie and put a hamburger behind s/he. Let's see if it can stop me from eating the hamburger.

That's the ultimate red pill

>>42124786

> the article outright states that it doesn't matter.

Where?

>>42124823
Post your body with timestamp and the (you) I just gave you

>>42124786
>the article outright states that it doesn't matter.
Did we read the same article?
>>42124419
Do your own research. Learn what constitutes a bad study design.
From the next line, the post may sound biased. Please keep an open mind.

The YouTube channels Vegan gayness, unnatural vegan and mic. the vegan all post frequent videos on nutrition. All 3 are equally good. Pick a video from anyone on, say, cholesterol and watch it carefully. They present their own argument, support it with properly designed studies, they explain why the studies are good, and then they attack the counter argument by means of logic (is he consistent and honest or is he making fallacies?) and demonstrate how and why the others' studies are not an argument either from poor design, or irrelevance to the discussed topic (misleading)

The videos are very informative and anally detailed, which is why they tend to be ~20' long. If you don't want to watch the videos, just read the research. It's always linked in the video description.

I have not found a meat eater who presents the same amount of information with such honesty and attention to detail. Maybe because good arguments on that side don't exist.
Neither of the 3 is selling you anything btw so inb4 shill

>>42124897

The Mic. the Vegan video on dietary cholesterol is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBtfzd43t8o

It's hard to get people to watch something on a channel called "Mic. the vegan" though

>>42124786
>Yeah, but the article outright states that it doesn't matter.

If your cholesterol is high as shit to begin with (i.e your diet is shit) then yeah, it makes no significant difference.

It's basically comparable to a smoker who already smokes 20 cigarettes a day and he then increases his smoking to 21 cigarettes.

You would agree that going from 0 cigarettes to 1 is a bigger health risk than going from 20 to 21, surely?

>>42124826
>>42124897
>>42124926

I posted the exerpt. 400 is considered normal levels and eating more dietary cholesterol once your cholesterol has reached normal levels doesn't do much. If your cholesterol is below normal levels, dietary cholesterol spikes it until it becomes normalized again. The part of the summary that I posted outright says that.

>>42125013

Haha, what the fuck? 400 isn't normal, it's saying that 400-500mg of dietary cholesterol is the point at which further increase is significantly diminished. There's a limit to how much cholesterol you can absorb at once.

>>42124917
this guy sounds like he is struggling to keep back laughs everytime he speaks

also he doesnt look like he deadlifts so there is no way i am taking dietary advice from him

>>42115934
>long digestive track
Have you ever seen an herbivore's digestive tract? Now compare ours to that of a wolf. and then get fucked.

>>42116044
What digestive tract is more similar to our own? A cows or a wolfs? How many stomachs do we have?

>>42115934

>claims to be scientific
>fell for the grassfed meme

>>42125013
>400
>Not 6 times above normal
Pick one

>>42125132
the vast majority of vegans are pale skinned gaunt as fuck skeletons with thin hair that look like they can barely stay awake
the fact that this guy looks like a normal human being and not a ghoul is impressive enough as it is

>>42125132
I'm not even vegan but some of the studies he cites are pretty convincing (see: the video about animal protein increasing your risk of cancer), however some of his other videos aren't so convincing (see: the video where he claims to have the cure for alzheimers)

>>42125381

>this is what vegans look like in my head, because I hate vegans

How about "the vast majority of meat eaters are 400 pounds overweight with pimpled skin, neckbeards, and on 20 different medications for blood pressure and cholesterol." That stereotype sound accurate?

>>42125556
yes it's fairly accurate, the majority of the US is obese and most people end up on drugs eventually to treat high blood pressure and/or cholesterol

I don't "hate vegans". it's simply the fact of the matter. it's very hard to stay on top of all your vitamins and shit when you're a vegan.
most have deficiencies and look more sick than someone who has just gone through a few rounds of chemo

>>42122368
Yeah man, Big Fruit and Big Broccoli are trying to take over. Get fucking real, retard.

>>42122368
>agenda
I don't think that means what you think it means

>>42124419
how much fiber do you eat?

>>42125013
>400 is considered normal levels
nigga say wut?

Another vegan shill thread. Holy shit FUCK OFF. Its at least 10-20 threads a day.

>>42115184
yeah well sitting on your ass watching shit-tier Netflix "documentaries" is bad for you as well. the point is do what the fuck you wanna do and fuck off

>>42124866
Look of body = fighting ability?

Hmm..

>>42125701
Hi newfag
Catalog>Filters>Add>vegan*>Check "hide">Save

>>42119803
People who adopt rescue dogs?

>>42125107
>>42125319
>>42125695

"Thus, when one or two eggs are added to a diet that is typical for the average American (containing 400 mg/d), little change would be expected."

The American Dietary Guidelines originally recommended an intake of 300mg as that amount was considered normal serum concentration of Cholesterol in the blood. After various studies, like the one I originally quoted and did so again above, outright showed no correlation to significant degrees of high cholesterol diets and serum cholesterol exceeding normal amounts for average, non-genetically defect individuals (rare cases of people with a disposition for high cholesterol), the Guidelines were changed to reflect this:
>https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/06-chapter-1/d1-2.asp

"Cholesterol. Previously, the Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommended that cholesterol intake be limited to no more than 300 mg/day. The 2015 DGAC will not bring forward this recommendation because available evidence shows no appreciable relationship between consumption of dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol, consistent with the conclusions of the AHA/ACC report.2 35 Cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern for overconsumption."

For those that don't know what cholesterol does, it directly assists in the brain's cognitive function and assists in Vit D and hormone production

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900496/
>https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/hbc/

Putting this study and the effects of cholesterol together, a diet low in cholesterol results in lowered amounts of serum cholesterol as the body is unable to naturally produce optimal amounts on its own resulting in suboptimal levels of Vit D and hormone production as well as lowered cognitive function whereas a high cholesterol diet results optimal levels wherein excess cholesterol is discarded from the bloodstream.

>TLDR: Low cholesterol wrecks hormone and brain function, high amounts do not

This fucking garbage keep getting shilled on here as well.

Fucking astroturf is on point.

>>42116518
you are about to get 1.7 cancers

>captcha was Newport bethel
:^)

>>42115301
>smoker lives heatly life and dies at 90 something
>person that eats healthy and exercises dies at 30
So let's smoke and don't exercise because two cases like this exist

>>42115312

When I got to the part in the documentary where the doctor said "sugar doesn't make you fat" I had to turn it off.

Wtf

>>42125839
>low cholesterol wrecks hormone and brain function

All the vegans alive refutes this bullshit.

>>42125911
It doesn't. I eat tons of fruit everyday.

You faggots still haven't proven that soy is safe to eat regularly.

>>42125964
how to prove?

>>42125964
Why wouldn't it be?

>>42115184
Kind of a retarded question but why are eggs such a conflicting food. I'm not a scientist but it seems fairly easy to test if they raise your blood cholesterol or not.

>>42125839
>>https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/06-chapter-1/d1-2.asp
That's the draft report which resulted in a lawsuit for inaccuracies and COIs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdapteVCOy0
http://www.businessinsider.com/usda-sued-over-new-dietary-guidelines-2016-1

The finalized guidelines now state the opposite

https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-answers-your-questions
>While adequate evidence is not available for a quantitative limit for dietary cholesterol in the 2015-2020 Dietary Guidelines, cholesterol is still important to consider when building a healthy eating style. In fact, the Dietary Guidelines states that people should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible.

https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/chapter-1/a-closer-look-inside-healthy-eating-patterns/
>As recommended by the IOM,[24] individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible while consuming a healthy eating pattern.

http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/69/9/1172
>Despite the widespread enthusiasm with the original statement of the 2015 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee Report, it remains prudent to advise patients to significantly limit intake of dietary cholesterol in the form of eggs or any high-cholesterol foods to as little as possible.

>>42125839
>For those that don't know what cholesterol does, it directly assists in the brain's cognitive function and assists in Vit D and hormone production
>Putting this study and the effects of cholesterol together, a diet low in cholesterol results in lowered amounts of serum cholesterol as the body is unable to naturally produce optimal amounts on its own resulting in suboptimal levels of Vit D and hormone production as well as lowered cognitive function whereas a high cholesterol diet results optimal levels wherein excess cholesterol is discarded from the bloodstream.
Great non-sequitur. No exogenous cholesterol is required for these purposes in humans and only serves to block arteries.

https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/guidelines/chapter-1/a-closer-look-inside-healthy-eating-patterns/
>The body uses cholesterol for physiological and structural functions but makes more than enough for these purposes. Therefore, people do not need to obtain cholesterol through foods.

https://www.nap.edu/read/10490/chapter/11
>Given the capability of all tissues to synthesize sufficient amounts of cholesterol for their metabolic and structural needs, there is no evidence for a biological requirement for dietary cholesterol.
>There is much evidence to indicate a positive linear trend between cholesterol intake and low density lipoprotein cholesterol concentration, and therefore increased risk of coronary heart disease (CHD). A Tolerable Upper Intake Level is not set for cholesterol because any incremental increase in cholesterol intake increases CHD risk.

>>42115184
literally fake news in order for people to raise their kids with a fat deficient diet, making them low iq docile democrat voting niggers

>>42125996
It has been tested and they do.

>>42125839

From your linked own paper (that you clearly didn't read)

>The interesting question that is raised by the effects of cholesterol on learning and memory turns upon the inability of dietary cholesterol to cross the BBB into the CNS. The peripheral effects of feeding rabbits cholesterol are atherosclerosis, inflammation, and liver toxicity.

>Given the above, our ability to understand the mechanisms by which cholesterol influences learning and memory may turn upon its peripheral as well as central effects. For example, there is strong evidence that human cognitive impairment is correlated with the extent of cholesterol-induced atherosclerosis both in peripheral arterial disease (Rafnsson et al., 2009) and in carotid atherosclerosis (Romero et al., 2009).

Wow looks like dietary cholesterol isn't good for the brain!

I am pretty much vegan now except I still take fish oil since I have 2 big bottles that I need to finish off. I don't like wasting things. Is the fish oil killing me? I take two a day which is like less than 5 or so percent of the daily limit of cholestoral the bottle says. It's also kinda the only fat in my diet since I do not enjoy eating nuts and seeds. Y'know, besides the minimal fat found in potatoes and shit.

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>>42120643
Italy is the ealthies nation in the world and we eat plenty of meat, fish and animal prosucts in general.

>>42126132
DHA from fish oil increase prostate cancer risk
2 bottles won't have much effect though
fat from coconut or avocado?

>>42125911
sugar doesn't make you fat. caloric surplus makes you fat.
sugar being unhealthy is another topic

>>42125839

Adding onto what everyone else said, again the reason for the plateau you see around 400-500mg is because you can only absorb so much at one time. This doesn't imply it's normal or optimal, it's just that your body can only get so fucked up.

>>42116010
your body reduces the amount of cholesterol it makes if you consume dietary cholesterol

>>42115337
Soros bought a heap of shares of Netflix a few months a go...

>>42115184
All the vegan shilling on this board is bringing out the contrarian in me and now I have a massive appetite for red meat. Can you fucks please stop? This shit isn't cheap.

>>42126196
stop typing and for that matter stop living will you?

>>42115314
Der Jude

>>42126134
nations is quite the odd criteria

the healthiest populations are blue zones and the healthiest of those are loma linda vegetarians and okinawans which eat almost exclusively plants

>>42126196

Dietary cholesterol reduces your body's ability to regulate its own cholesterol levels, causing an increase

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/76/3/504.short

>The physiologically important LDL receptors are located primarily in the liver, where their number is regulated by the cholesterol content of the hepatocyte. When the cholesterol content of hepatocytes is raised by ingestion of diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol, LDL receptors fall and plasma LDL levels rise.

>>42122368
The UN has been shilling for veganism for years. That and eating insects like filthy third worlders. You watch m8. In years to come, meat will be a luxury only the rich can afford and that same rich will be telling us that it's for the best because it's bad for us anyway and stupid dickheads like half of /fit/ now apparently, will fall for it.

>>42126205
There are only 30 vegans on this board according to Strawpoll and only 2 or 3 who have the tism to debate the ugly hordes of meat cucks. You're being a sheep with your "lololol you vegans made me eat some tasty bacon XD"

>>42115396
after paying how much to (((them)))?

>>42126205

>be a contrarian
>by doing what everyone else is doing

>>42121570
Implying humans haven't been cooking food long enough to have an impact on their evolution.

You don't need canines nearly as much for cooked meat. Also those canines are hella small, no chance for survival.

What are they telling us to eat? Plain grass?

>>42126386

Canine teeth are a dumb argument for meat eating anyway. Although we call them canine teeth, they aren't exclusive to carnivores or indicative of meat eating. They're just generally useful teeth that a lot of animals have regardless of their diet.

http://freefromharm.org/photo-galleries/9-reasons-your-canine-teeth-dont-make-you-a-meat-eater/

>>42124419
Currently I'm trying lose 10kg (was 80kg lask week, now 77,2kg). And I normally try to eat healthy foods, vegetables, oat, fruits, etc. But I eat everything, chocolates, cheesrburgers, hot dogs.. it's just that I dont pass, atm, 1000kcal daily, and not 1500 on "cheat days". When I reach thr desirable weight goal, I'll just eat up to 1800-2000 kcal a day and that's it, will focus on whole grain foods but will not stop eating chicken, burgers, etc.

>>42115477
Intolerant doesn't mean allergic you fucking retard.

>>42126416
>the only non-animal food there is is grass
Ever had spaghetti?

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>>42126416
niggerfeed

>>42126221
their race is also different from ours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRELldIuZyM
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/did-europeans-get-fat-neandertals

Sucks that it was such a terrible advertisement rather than an actual documentary.

I do think people need to eat way more vegetables than they currently do. But that's about it. Horribly misleading about how sugar/carbs and fat are processed by the body. The fact that they found studies to support their theory is self fulfilling prophesy because they were clearly unwilling to look at all studies that found contrary results.

>>42126009
>>42125997
those are most likely lies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1XsO3mxX8

>>42126221
Okinawans plenty of fish and pork t.lived there for 7 months.

>>42126619

>Europeans are genetically fatter than asians

Doesn't seem to be about fat in the diet, but body fat.

>oday, though, these fatty acids are also implicated in diseases that are part of the so-called “metabolic syndrome”—obesity, diabetes (through the metabolism of sugars), high blood pressure, and cardiovascular disease (through the metabolism of cholesterol and triglycerides)

Always do the opposite of what corporate Jews say.

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>>42126645
no its entirely about fat processing because they hunted and ate more meat than other races

https://www.nature.com/news/baseball-players-reveal-how-humans-evolved-to-throw-so-well-1.13281
https://phys.org/news/2013-06-chimps-humans-baseball-pitcher.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y__4xX8xp8

also sage for shit shill thread

>>42126666
thank you for your advice mega satan.

>>42126565
I've seen carnists claim that if you eat pasta you are not vegan.

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>>42126684
I have seen 5 out of 6 leaf eaters turn away from their diets because they are retarded mongoloid snowflakes who should probably kill themselves.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

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>>42115586
A real nationalist loves nature and animals, anon

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>>42126699
You are not a trump supporter, nor are you rightwing, nor was hitler a veggitarian. You are a most likely a leftist cuck faggot >>42126694

as your mentally ill group of mongoloids nearly all fall on the left side of the political spectrum. Kill yourself.

https://pastebin.com/vCPtfpRr

>SJWs
>Cucks
>Vegans
>Privilege
>Fast Food
>Globalism
What the fuck is wrong with Americans? Is it because your ancestors were the weirdos and retards of Europe where do you keep coming up with this shit.

>have obesity epidemic
>somekind of fraud comes up and spouts some horsecrap about fats being bad
>entire industry of low fat (but high sugar sprouts up)
>obesity continues to rise
>"but its just because you still were eating too many fats, animals fats too :((((((((((((((((("

no its because you eat fucking too much sugar. fats and animal fats are healthy. Kill the veganfags and kill the secondary interest parties like the sugar industry.

>>42126667

Well the article you linked talked about body fat and how it helped Europeans adapt to colder climates, while today leading to obesity and diabetes.

>>42126733

Everyone pay attention to the guy who sounds like a whiny kid rebelling against his parents

>>42126763
You know, if people actually saw how much you lie, and how retarded you are. They would fucking ban you already. All of these shitty ass shill threads have the same footprint of attempts at deception. Whatever you are, white or not, or jew, I hope you fucking kill yourself or someone does it for you

>In the latest study, published online today in Nature Communications, Khaitovich and his international team analyzed the distribution of Neandertal gene variants in the genomes of 11 populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. They found that Europeans inherited three times as many genes involved in lipid catabolism, the breakdown of fats to release energy, from Neandertals as did Asians. (As expected, Africans did not carry any of these Neandertal variants.) The difference in the number of Neandertal genes involved with lipid processing was “huge,” Khaitovich says. The study also offers another example of the lingering genetic legacy left in some people today by the extinct Neandertals.

literally says so in the article you piece of shit.

just eat real food and lower intake of animal based products
dont go full vegan its retarded and trashy

whole grains are the best thing you can eat then veggies, some fruit(not much), some dairy, some poultry, maybe eggs once in a while, good fats like rapeseed oil and nuts, beans are also amazing
drink lots of tea and coffee and water and some red win

the point is common sense is all you need to stay healthy and it includes both exercise and diet.
not using common sense and abusing some retarded fad diets, idiotic strict routines is on the other hand more cancerous than eating 5lbs of lowest grade pig ham full of preservatives each day

>>42126785
>some dairy
Stay retarded

>>42126783

You're misunderstanding what you're quoting. The article is about body (and brain) fat.

> A new genetic analysis reveals that our brawny cousins had a number of distinct genes involved in the buildup of certain types of fat in their brains and other tissues
> Because two-thirds of our brains are built of fatty acids, or lipids, the differences in fat composition between Europeans and Asians might have functional consequences, perhaps in helping them adapt to colder climates or causing metabolic diseases.
>Although Khaitovich thinks that the Neandertal genes affect the composition of fat throughout the body, the researchers focused on brain tissue first because it contains so many fatty acids—and was available from a brain tissue bank. “There is no [body fat] tissue bank for different populations,” he says.
>He suspects that these fatty acid genes were advantageous for modern humans and may have helped Neandertals and, later, Europeans adapt to colder environments.
>Today, though, these fatty acids are also implicated in diseases that are part of the so-called “metabolic syndrome”—obesity, diabetes (through the metabolism of sugars), high blood pressure, and cardiovascular disease (through the metabolism of cholesterol and triglycerides), the authors say.

>>42126793
all studies show that one-two portions of dairy is good for you and reduces mortality risk.
especially fermented dairy like kefir

>>42126819
>Today, though, these fatty acids are also implicated in diseases that are part of the so-called “metabolic syndrome”—obesity, diabetes (through the metabolism of sugars), high blood pressure, and cardiovascular disease (through the metabolism of cholesterol and triglycerides), the authors say.

so dont eat "today", eat like yesterday. I very much doubt that these adapted to hunting populations had any of todays problems by eating meat. Lots of meat actually.

>>42120754
>Wonder if there's a correlation between the total number of breast cells and your chance to get breast cancer.

Technically, yes. More cells, therefore more cell reproduction, therefore more chances to get cancer. Technically getting circumcised decreases your chance of getting dick cancer because you now have slightly less dick.

Men don't get breast cancer nearly as often as women because estrogen plays a pretty large part in breast cancer likelihood (along with ovarian and uterine, but for some reason men are just straight immune to those two. It's the one thing science may never understand)

>>42126845

Again, body fat. The article has nothing to do with diet. Diet is not mentioned anywhere in the article. The article is to do with the fat composition of european bodies and brains relative to asians.

>>42126888
>They found that Europeans inherited three times as many genes involved in lipid catabolism, the breakdown of fats to release energy, from Neandertals as did Asians
>many genes involved in lipid catabolism
>lipid catabolism
>lipid catabolism
>lipid catabolism

are you blind?

>so-called “metabolic syndrome”—obesity, diabetes (through the metabolism of sugars)

what do you think that they didnt eat in the past? Sugars! They mostly ate meat and they exercised a lot.

So the answer to the more perfect diet clearly is simply, dont eat most of the modern diet stuff and actually eat more meats if you are a white european.

>>42119803
Blacks?
I can't call blacks lazy and stupid even though they are

>>42126916

>are you blind?

Take the quote in context.

>what do you think that they didnt eat in the past? Sugars!

Again, it's not talking about diet. Body fat. Excess body fat, which apparently Europeans are better at packing on, can lead to diabetes. That's what the article is saying. Everything you think this article is saying is, it's not. You're looking at it through some weird paleo goggles and making up an unrelated hypothesis about Europeans and meat eating.

>>42115314
Big Soy

>>42126836
>brought to you by the dairy industry ;)

>>42126935
lol, it you who is blind. You chose to solely focus on your own side of the story, which is only a small slice of the article. But the fact is that these genes help a lot with the metabolization of fats as well. In the brain, but also from the fat tissue, they are not just there to make us fatter, they also are there to process the fat better, the fat that we ate in excess, because we became more like the hunters, carnivores than gatherers.
here is another article, a take on this.

https://archive.is/HD6UZ

Well I shall rest my case here, its not like I am trying to persuade the loonies like you anyhow lol. Plenty of people reading this who do not have this desperate and convulsed way of seeing things.

>>42126988

>You chose to solely focus on your own side of the story

I don't have a side of the story, I'm telling you what the article you linked is about, because you're claiming it's about something it clearly isn't. If you want to make a claim about diet, like dietary fat, you would need to post something different from this article to begin making a case.

>here is another article, a take on this.

It's the same exact article reposted on a different website. Linking this gives a stronger impression that you don't read these things you cite, you just post whatever and then make up what you want to think they say.

>>42127029
>lipid catabolism

lol keep on ignoring this little tidbit of it all.

>>42127039

In the brain and body tissue.

>The team found that Europeans had differences in the concentration of various fatty acids in the brain that were not found in Asians or chimpanzees, which suggests they had evolved recently. The Europeans also showed differences in the function of enzymes that are known to be involved with the metabolism of fat in the brain.

Trying to turn that into "white Europeans need to eat more meat" is at best dishonest, at worst batshit crazy.

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>>42126733
in fact sugar consumption have come down for years, while saturated fat consumption have gone up with the obesity epidemic. it's very clear the western high fat high animal protein diet is the problem

These threads are all the same: Vegans present bullshit based on "studies" but won't link the studies, and meat eaters present a mix of common knowledge and broscience and won't provide sources either. What's the point?

>>42126946
the same studies also show that too much dairy increases mortality risk.
of course if you're subhuman brown shiskin you shouldnt drink milk because it will upset your inferior tummy

OK /fit im scared will Greek yogurt and chicken give me cancer?

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>>42115354
Made me kek, even if i dont know if bait or pure stupidity

>>42127751
>drinking pus- and blood-filled cow secretions

literally why

>>42115373
Underrated

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here is my netflix account if any of you fags want to see it

[email protected]

pass blyat123

>>42115184
Even vegans criticise this.

Also the claim that WHO considers smoking and eating meat equally cancerous is wrong.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
7. Red meat was classified as Group 2A, probably carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean exactly?

In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.

Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out.

8. Processed meat was classified as Group 1, carcinogenic to humans. What does this mean?

[..]

In the case of processed meat, this classification is based on sufficient evidence from epidemiological studies that eating processed meat causes colorectal cancer.

9. Processed meat was classified as carcinogenic to humans (Group 1). Tobacco smoking and asbestos are also both classified as carcinogenic to humans (Group 1). Does it mean that consumption of processed meat is as carcinogenic as tobacco smoking and asbestos?

No, processed meat has been classified in the same category as causes of cancer such as tobacco smoking and asbestos (IARC Group 1, carcinogenic to humans), but this does NOT mean that they are all equally dangerous. The IARC classifications describe the strength of the scientific evidence about an agent being a cause of cancer, rather than assessing the level of risk.

>>42115184

>Oh look it's another "meat and dairy are bad for you and you should totally become a vegan because it makes you superhuman" documentary

PASS

After you've seen like 3-4 food documentaries, they all become basically the same thing.

>>42129028
bruh staying shredded is easy as a vegan. You pretty much have to starve yourself to get lean eating an omni diet.

>>42115569
>191 calories of liver
>400mg of cholesterol, which is already over the recommended daily allowance

Lmao jesus christ
Also, nice vitamin C,D,E,K, calcium, magnesium, potassium and sodium, only need to eat around 15x more of that in order to get all your micro nutrients!

>>42129319
so nutrient dense ;)

>>42125184
Yeah, a wolf has a much shorter digestive track than we do per body length, your point?
Ours is exactly as long as that of a frugivore like a regular chimp.

So if GMO crops are going to kill me, meat is going to kill me, eggs and milk are going to kill me, contaminated veggies and fruits are going to kill me, and fish is going to kill me, then what should I eat? Coffee and cigarettes?

I tried watching it, but not even 15min in, some "doctor" tells you that sugar has nothing to do with diabetes and that in fact you can eat infinite amount of it because you either stock it as glycogen or you simply burn it, it's never transformed to fat.
I immediately closed the video.

>>42129371
You might be mentally retarded then. People have been eating fruit and grains for millennia.

>>42129457
Not him, but, I'm pretty sure he's talking about added sugars not whole food sources. Refined sugars are used to induce metabolic syndrome characteristics in animal models

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5050917/table/Tab1/

But overall diet and context matters more than a single food.

>>42129371
Diabetes can be treated with a diet rich in carbs.
The documentary did NOT in ANYWAY claim sugar had nothing to do with diabetes.
It literally only presented the actual mechanisms of insulin resistance and development of diabetes in the human body.
Just being on a caloric surplus constantly long term or being fat puts you at risk for developing diabetes because either the blood sugar or the blood lipids who block the glucose transfusion to your muscles will make you less and less sensitive to insulin in order to get your blood sugar levels down.

The "doctor" knows more about diabetes than you.

>>42129742
Missing the point entirely, "carbs can not make you fat" and the whole you can eat infinite amount of sugar is the problem here. This is simply false, doctor or not.
This will cause you to be in a caloric surplus and thus make you at risk to develop diabetes.

>>42130007
Who said you can eat infinite amounts of sugar?

>>42130007
Their whole point is that eating a proper diet does not make you fat and that people don't have to worry about carbs as long as their fat intake is in check which is absolutely correct.
Unless you're overdosing on carbs there's no way carbs will make you fat, dietary fat is STILL the fat you store, higher carb intakes merely downregulate fat oxidation in favor of carb oxidation, that blunts fat loss, but it does not make you fat as long as your fat intake is in check.

NO doctor claimed you could eat an infinite ammount of sugar, absolutely none, they didn't even mention anything of the sort when it comes to carbs in general.

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>>42115337
None of them lift, ofc none of them look like they lift you fucking retard, they're doctors.

One of them does iron man runs and looks pretty fit and healthy, also dude's in his late 40's, pic related. Eats high carb low protein and very low fat.

He absolutely demolished a critic of a documentary with sound reasoning and evidence from his medical practise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7b4kBTuHF0

Pretty much everyone who critiqued the documentary has been demolished with evidence and logic.
The only thing that can be critiqued in the documentary/film is the way some parts were dramaticized, everything else stands true.

netflix is SJW central, same people who made Dear White People and When We Rise

>>42115477
>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins

Assblasted African/Asian detected.

>>42130185
>random faggot tries arguing against a doctor
id like to see someone who actually knows what he's talking about argue against the doctor.

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At the end of the day everything is bad for us if we get deep enough in the science. Eat your meat, boy.

>>42129371
This would be correct. De novo lipogenesis from sugar doesn't work in humans. You can literally eat 3 packages of refined sugar every day for 3 years and it won't make you fat because it CAN'T make you fat, biochemically.

>>42130220
>netflix is SJW central
You realize keto is literally a reddirt meme, right?

>>42130341
>CICO is a meme
Okay fatty

>>42130302
Even though Zdog is a moron and a quak and a literal ketonigger he is an actual doctor and he's a youtube "celebrity".
Check his latest videos, doctors all over the internet are destroying his reputation, doctors that aren't even vegan or took part in the documentary.

Not sure if there are any other critiques to the documentary from other people that are actually relevant.

>>42116076
You forgot Tiger Nuts.

>>42117003

>I mean seriously? ELEVEN(!) serves of pasta per day?

A serving is not a bowl. 1 serving of whole grain is about 100 calories. 600-1100 calories is fucking nothing.

>>42128301
niceme.me

>>42129222
(You)

>>42130047
At about 9min20, he says "carbs can not make you fat" and "your body cannot turn carbs into fat".
>>42130090
Overdosing on anything will make you fat, except perhaps on a pure protein diet which will simply kill you.

>>42115477
>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins
>counting non-whites as human

I spotted your problem

>>42115354
>We're physiologically herbivores
>have canines

Really gets the ol noggin joggin

>>42131424

http://freefromharm.org/photo-galleries/9-reasons-your-canine-teeth-dont-make-you-a-meat-eater/

>>42115477
>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins.
no humans are allergic to dairy proteins, there are some hominids that have problems with casein, but they most certainly are not human.

>>42115184
>The main point is that meat, milk and eggs are awful for you.

I literally dont care if they kill me, they are the main reasons why I am a big guy now so if they kill me it's fine in my book. I couldnt have done it by eating vegan because I simply would be unable to eat that many beans and other protein dense veggies. the sheer amount of food I would have to eat is ridiculous. Atleast with meat and dairy you can stuff truckloads of protein into you with a small amount of food.

>>42131504

If humans were herbivores we'd be able to digest cellulose. We can't, so we aren't. End of story.

>>42131609

Most herbivores can't themselves digest cellulose. The human gut hosts bacteria that break down cellulose (fiber) and produce healthful compounds with it like butyrate and propionate. For calories, we rely on sugars and starches, while fiber keeps us healthy.

What's the next goalpost?

>>42125949
You fucking idiot, anybody who says sugar in the context of health/nutrition is talking about refined sugars added to food. And yes, these added sugars have an enormously strong correlation with obesity

>>42125911

He says sugar in and of itself doesn't make you fat. This doesn't mean that sugar can't contribute to weight gain, but it's true that the sugar in your diet is not the cause of the fat on your body in most cases. Most body fat is derived from dietary fat. Eating up to your TDEE and then adding another 1k calories in sugar will cause weight gain, but most of the weight gain will be the result of the sugar sparing the fat calories you ate, which then get stored. Carbohydrates are rarely stored as fat except in diabetics and during gross overfeeding of simple sugars (5k calories of sugar for extended periods of time)

http://books.google.com/books?id=hrdRROeCI9IC&pg=PA263

I don't think they were bringing this up in order to say refined sugars are fine to eat, but there's a widespread misconception that any carbohydrates you eat get instantly stored as fat, even regardless of your caloric intake. They wanted to clear that up because the diet they're proposing is very high in carbohydrates, albeit from whole foods.

>>42131504
Okay but you know what does make me a meat eater? The fact that I crave it. Get fucked.

>>42132001

>I crave meat

That's called being a faggot

>>42131955
>Carbohydrates are rarely stored as fat except in diabetics and during gross overfeeding of simple sugars (5k calories of sugar for extended periods of time)

But that's not true

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11029975
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7598063

I'd also like to see some trials with punters being overfeed 5K of sugar a day for weeks, in the context of a low fat diet since carbs inhibit lipolysis, and not get fat.

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>>42132089

The lowest fat intake in the carb-rich diet group was 932 fat calories. The average was 1386 calories from fat. The fat gain derived from the carbohydrate was quite low at just a few grams per day, as it's not nearly as effecient as storing fat directly.

>By the process of DNL from carbohydrate there is an obligatory energy loss as heat of about 19% as compared to about 3% by the direct storage of dietary fat

>>42115312
How does one "shit food"?

>>42132397
Shit is food but not for humans.

>>42132338
2.1MJ = 501kcals not 1386

But yeah you're some what right, my bad sci-hub was playing up.

>Total DNL was positive in six and negative in four of the subjects in the C-group with a mean value of 332 g/21 d ... Extrahepatic DNL (Table 9, column 10), calculated as total (column 9) minus hepatic DNL (column 3), was positive in four of the nine subjects with a mean value of 115 g/21 d.

500g of bf only accounts for ~50% gained of the 900g, and that didn't occur in all subjects

Again I'd be interested in seeing overfeeding papers in the context of HCLF showing minimal fat gain.

>>42132748
whoops my reading was off 332g only accounts for 30%

>>42115425
>exhaust fumes cause colon cancer

>>42124422
>Cholesterol
>Saturated fat
>Copper

I want all those things, where can I buy liver?

>>42132338
>>42132748
In fact it doesn't even matter, I've found my answer
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/48/2/240.short

Once glycogen stores are maxed out DNL is only then cranked up. So much for me being able to eat chicken breast and brown rice till I shit myself every meal.