What is more important in a fight: height or weight? Fedor has

>>42110257
What's more important is who's the better fighter

>>42110295
Yeah, but why are there weight classes then?

>>42110257
Large head and bones, therefore weight, but better to be taller than 5'10.

>>42110257
This gook was not a real fighter, just a model for promo fights to show how badass are real fighters like Fedor or Crocop.

Weight that's why there are we That classes. Reach doesn't mean much if you can't hurt them

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100% weight. Mike Tyson is "a fucking dwarf" in his own words, but he also beat a lot of lanklets in his career because dude was heavy too.

>>42110351
because they want to account for every variable except skill, so no one can bitch about an unfair disadvantage

>>42110257
Hong Man Choi was a lot taller and also 100+lbs heavier than Fedor

Hong Man Choi was not a real fighter, he was a freakshow with no actual skill and no desire to be in the ring, he was just doing it because it paid

>>42112107
this, i can't tell you how many times i've seen some gentle giant, likely from an undiagnosed tumor, be put in the ring against a normal sized man who's a professional fighter. from the outside, it's "fair" but the untrained, insanely poor giant always takes an assbeating. why? because he's fucking poor, and a lot of the guys have kids to support. 90% of the time hey have no desire to fight, and were basically forced into it in order to survive.
what's worse is 5-15 years later, they're so damaged they can't hold a normal manual labor job and in so much pain they become addicts or alcoholics to cope. it's a fucking shame man, these guys throw their bodies and youth away for a worse life in the long run because some promoter offered them a weeks pay for a fight against a dude incomprehensibly better than him at fighting

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>>42110295

fpbp.

I've seen guys that look like the hulk get his ass whooped by a scrawny wigger. I've also seen a 6'7 giant get chocked out by a 5'8 buff dude.

All that matters is skill.

>>42110494
the guys who beat him were lanklets who could exploit weaknesses in his style, as well

what's crazy is how much bigger and taller HWs are today, look at someone like anthony joshua or fury, absolute giants

>>42112178
There was nothing confusing about what he wrote.

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>>42110257
Fighting skills are more important than either of those things.

>>42110257
>height or weight?
reach.

fucking normies.

>>42113201
eye gouge ftw.

>>42113201
reach this faggot.

*grabs dick*

>>42112178
What are you confused about, retard?

>>42110257
>What is more important in a fight: height or weight?
Neither.

Watch the street fights at the G20 in germany, some are on youtube. Height,w eight, muscle, athleticism - nothing is important. Killer instinct is important.

Also, keep in mind boxing and wrestling are 5000 years old at least and we have weight classes for only 100 years, if that. During the bare knuckle era, we had only light-middle-heavy weight classes and people changed their class all the time.

Tyson raped men up to a foot taller than him.

>>42113908

This is probably the most retarded thing I've ever read on /fit/ - you're probably some skinny fat who think he can win any street fight because of his "animal mentality".

Unless you're fighting someone 20 kilograms heavier than you with a higher level of skill, you're going to handle most situations as a intermediate/advanced practitioner of boxing, kickboxing, or muay thai.

>inb4 bro, u don't know how I operate, when it goes down in tha streets I just go blank - I'm a fuckin animal out there bro!
>inb4 bro, it's different in out there in tha streets, there are no rules bro! I would just duck all your fist, knee and elbow combinations, avoid your clinch, and poke your eyes out!

>>42114353
>some skinny fat who think he can win any street fight because of his "animal mentality".
The sides have left.

>>42110257
So what's the best martial art for someone who's slightly retarded? I'm average height. I would like to feel in control of my body more than anything. Maybe I should force myself to do Convict Conditioning I hear that's supposed to help with balance.

>>42114371
Starting Strengt

>>42114353
If I do thai boxing three times a week, how many years will make me "intermediate" ?

>>42114353
This dude knows what he's talking about.

>>42114398
Usually takes half a year before you're clearly better than the people walking into the gym the first time, probably can beat them up. A year and you're probably gonna light up most people.

I'll add to that though that if you wanna be a complete martial artist, and not get fucked up by anyone anymore. Get a blue belt in BJJ, and like a year or two in boxing and MT. The only way people are still gonna be able to beat you up in the streets will be if they're decorated martial artists themselves.

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>>42114302
do you think he could beat up this 7'2 guy, assuming that he's not trained in martial arts

>>42114734
>what is a liver

>>42114398


Honestly, it depends where you're training. If you waste your time at the wrong gym, you're probably gonna be even worse off than before.

If your gym has a roster of fighters who actually compete (nationally sanctioned matches, real promotions, fighting records available on the internet, etc.) then you're probably in the right place. It's also important to look into your instructor's lineage; who he's trained under, how many fights/competitions he's won, and which fighters he's trained (if you recognise their names, it's a really good sign).

For example, I train at SRG Muay Thai, under Luis Regis. He has a record of 28 fights, 28 wins, and 14 KO's, plus the titles:

>WORLD CHAMPION – WORLD FIGHT ORGANISATION
>COMMONWEALTH CHAMPION – IKBF
>AUSTRALIAN CHAMPION - WMC
>EAST COAST CHAMPION - IKBF
>NSW CHAMPION - WMC
>REAL HERO AUS VS THAI CHAMPION (AUSTRALIAN TEAM CAPTAIN)

So I knew even before I signed up that he's legit. If you're serious about becoming proficient, you've got to find a trainer with a verifiable record.

But it's important to know that you can't just walk in and ask them to make you into a professional fighter - you've got to train for roughly 3 months as a beginner, 6 months as an intermediate, and another 6 months as an advanced student. Then, if you're lucky, the owner of your gym will tap you on the shoulder and ask if you want to represent them professionally, along with another 12 or so fighters they've already got fighting under them. This is next-level intensity, though. It means training twice a day, six days a week, with a strict meal plan and everything like that in the time before a fight. It's 100% worth it if you enjoy the sport, though.

Good luck brah, starting Muay Thai one and a half years ago was one of the best decisions I've made.

>>42114734
Not him, but yes. One knockout is all you need. And Tyson was the best at it.

>>42114793
The coach is Andre Zeitoun, he formed Lebanner and Skarbowsky if you know them, I'm french so they are more known in France.
I don't think I would want to compete to this lvl, I'll try to do it to see how it is though
Thanks for the tips

>>42114734
probably could fuck a boxer up, but if the guy knows jiu jitsu the giant is fucked, also this guy is strong as fuck too

>>42114734
His head is just as fragile as yours. Big yes.

>>42114875
yeah, but you can't reach his head while he can smash your face in easily

>>42114882
Kek, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5VeA1SAaBc

Why are people who knows nothing about something the most outspoken?

>>42110295
This
>>42110257
Weight and height only really come into it in extreme cases, a few extra pounds or inches won't make a difference. What matters is skill/instinct

>>42114903
The reach difference is more insane than the height difference to be honest.

>>42114371
Boxing, but any useful martial art is going to rock your brain and make you even more retarded

>>42114882

At 7'2", his liver would be exposed as fuck. It would take one or two solid combinations to the midsection and his brain would shut down, legs would stop working, standard knockout stuff. A proficient kick boxer would put him in hospital, but Tyson would send that cunt to the Shadow Realm.

>>42114882
>but you can't reach his head while he can smash your face in easily
You are so ignorant, and outright delusional.

>>42114948
if it was a street fight at 7'2 350 that guy could just run straight into tyson and put him to the ground

>>42114903
because tyrell is 6'5 and tyson is 5'8, while the giant is 7'2 and probably weights 300lbs or more, yeah, tyson could win on a boxe match, but on a random fight there is no chance, one kick of this dude must be brutal as fuck

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>>42114903
you dont realise how big that guy is
guy in your video is 6'5
guy in this picture on the left is 6'4

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>>42114973
>could just run straight into tyson
That's not how anything works.

>>42113201
enjoy being rushed, picked up and slammed down you fucking featherweight lanklet

>>42114979
>>42115007
The point was that Tyson could reach him because the giant would have to bend for any move.

Anyways, he would be dead because of liver.

>>42114933

Kinda depends on his weight division though.

Sure, HW fighters can compete into their 30's - and that's because power is always the last thing to go, but only if they fight smart and don't suffer too many KO's throughout their career. If you put yourself through several consecutive KO's (regardless of the timespan) you're never gonna be the same again.

LHW's are mostly the same, but from MW and downwards things are a bit different. Even if you're only 60 - 80 kg, you're not gonna get damaged on the same level as fighting the 120 kg monsters in the HW division.

>>42115023
Yeah but he's not looking to go pro. Even sparring a couple times a week over the course of a few years is going to have an effect on your brain, your head simply isn't designed to take regular trauma like that

Some of you are absolutely delusional about how hard a professional boxer's punch really is, none the less Tyson's. Those hits are lethal.

>>42115043
nonetheless*

....

>>42115049
It's not my first language :|

>>42110295
This. Height and weight do play their parts but ate often not the deciding factor. Skill and agression/tenacity wins all. One of my friends growing up was an average built 5'4 Russian/Chinese Mongol rage filled abomination who I watched pound tons of people bigger than him just because every time he fought he just went absolutely fucking berserk and would swing until they dropped or he did.

>>42114979

Tyson was 5'10", and every bit of a lean 220. In his prime he preferred a lower weight because of the speed advantage, but he was easily capable of bulking up to 260. He wasn't your average manlet, and he had a monstrous amount of horsepower to work with because of his natural frame.

>>42114973

Have you seen any of Tyson's fights? You can't catch him off guard like that. If you run at him, he's gonna send you into orbit. There's no way to approach him without presenting either your head or your torso to him on a silver platter - the faster you come at him, the faster the fight ends.

I think you anti-Tyson posters are forgetting that he ran through the HW division like a hot knife through butter. I mean, he was the undisputed champion (unifying three separate belts) at the age of what, 20?

>>42114734
Literally just a couple of punches to his liver.

>timbeeeeerrr

>>42110257
>BJJ blackbelt
>10 years MMA
>have fought pro at 170
>5'10

Height doesn't mean a whole lot. For one thing, it doesn't usually translate to a reach advantage: I usually had a reach advantage, even over guys who were 6' plus.
Punching up, within reason, isn't a problem. Your jab becomes almost like a semi-uppercut and you want the chin anyway. I think it's harder to guard against someone punching up but others might disagree.
Lanklets *do* tend to have longer legs, which sometimes makes it harder to open/pass their guard (depends how good they are). They also have a weaker base though...
Lanklets also tend to be 'slower'. By that, I don't mean they're actually slow: I'm talking about range of motion. They have to move their body through more space to change position or strike, and their 'length' gives you more to grab onto. Also, consider the difficulties a lanklet will have in getting into a good defensive or offensive deep-half position, for example...they can't 'hide'.
If they *do* have long limbs...well, length is leverage. It's a whole lot easier to snap a long limb than a short one.
In sanctioned fights i.e. with weight classes, taller usually means weaker, but let's ignore that and just consider real fights.
Weight is *always* a bigger factor. Armchair commentators will never understand just how exhausting it is to be stuck on the bottom of side-control, or how much an escape attempt takes out of you. There's no such thing as rest on bottom.
Weight is momentum. Even a little extra weight can be the difference between knock-out power and not.

It's a no-brainer. We have weight-classes for a reason. We don't have 'height-classes'. If any anon on this thread has argued otherwise, they're listless virgins who've never been in a fight in their lives.

>>42115085
>There's no way to approach him without presenting either your head or your torso to him on a silver platter
/debate

>>42115043

This. Everyone ITT needs to clench their jaw and gently (but firmly) tap their chin four times. Notice how it rattles your fucking brain? Then punch your open hand with your dominant fist with a bit more strength than you used before. It doesn't hurt that bad, right? Try doing that four times again to your chin again.

Now imagine Tyson hitting you with a four punch combination. You would literally die.

>>42110453
Height != reach
Look at some fighter stats on Sherdog if you need convincing. Taller usually means longer legs. The variance in torso/arm length is less pronounced.

>>42114973
>guy could just run straight into tyson

>>42114973
>guy could just run straight into tyson

>>42115085
yeah i know tyson is a monster and one of the best fighters in history of fights, but if the 7'2 guy at 350lbs isn't a complete noob, he could win, if this guy kicks you there is no way he can't reach you, his legs are at almost 4 feet big and imagine a guy that big kicking you in the ribs or in the face, there is no way you won't drop

>>42115007

Overeem (the guy on the left) is probably the best striker that the UFC has ever seen, regardless of weight division. He's a K1 champion turned MMA champion. They had to change the rules of international kickboxing because Overeem kept grabbing his opponents by the back of their necks and kneeing them in the head. If anything, he would annihilate the 7'2" guy even faster than Tyson.

Oh, and for reference, another K1 champion was Mark Hunt - who stands at 5'10" like Tyson, with a similar build too. He would fuck the tall guy up just as easily.

>>42115155
You fail to realise how fast Tyson is. Look how he dodges Tyrell's punches, and those are fast.

>>42115010
How do I into that mode?

>>42114353
Yeah this is a good post.

Sure being willing to be violent is good and all. But an edgy chubby teenager might WANT to hurt someone as much as possible, but when they deliver a shitty hook with obvious windup, it will be blocked by someone with experience, good reflexes, and strong muscles.

Been in 3 scraps in Northern Ireland and more than I can count in Wales. Height and weight both count, and so does technique. Experience >>> all. Try fighting a tough old guy, see how far you get. He will push your shit in.

>>42115155
He doesn't even know how to kick, they would be incredibly weak relative to his size. And the exposure......

heh

>>42115155

Even if he's vaguely familiar with combat sports, Tyson would still win. There's a big skill gap between amateur fighters, professional fighters, and elite fighters. Sure, he'd likely murder anyone but the best of the best of the best, but those who remain, like Tyson, Overeem and Hunt, would KO him in seconds.

We've seen Hunt, who's 5'10" (and probably the least skilled of those I mentioned) literally break the jaw of Stefan Struve, who's 7' tall and had previously beaten Stipe Miocic (the current UFC HW champion).

>>42115172
so tyson fight 1 ton silverback a gorilla and win right?
he already lost couple times, so it would be impossible for him to lose to a guy that is 100lbs heavier than him and 1'3 taller than him, specially if he knows how to fight

>>42115155

With legs that big, every kick he attempts would be telegraphed. Tyson, with his speed, could side-step almost everything he throws.

The only exception would be a spinning heel kick, but that would involve presenting the back of his head to Tyson, and if it were a street fight, doing something like that is literal certain death. I don't mean hitting his head on the concrete, either - it would be the punch alone that does it.

>>42115242

No human that has, could, or ever will exist could beat a gorilla. And that's for the same reason that Tyson was so invincible in the 80's - next level speed, strength and ferocity.

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>there are people in this thread that unironically thinks that the mountain's muscles works like some kind of protective armor and that it will make punches from professional fighters less painful

>>42115202
>He doesn't even know how to kick, they would be incredibly weak relative to his size.
yeah, you know this dude right? i also implied that he would know how to fight, and tall, heavy and muscular people aren't weak relative to their size lol tell that to brian shaw lol

>>42115113
Everyone ITT should do this.

>>42115113
Whoa i felt woozy for a second

>>42115268
Fun fact: back in the day, when Tyson hadn't chilled out and was actually insane, his dream was to punch someone so hard in the ring thay they'd die. He'd fucking train for that goal.

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>>42113201
Reach and flexibility

>>42110439
i really hope you're trolling

before he fought fedor in MMA he won a k-1 GP and beat Semmy Schilt

>>42112142
>>42112107
>>42112340
>>42113446
see: >>42115423

>>42115283
>muscles works like some kind of protective armor and that it will make punches from professional fighters less painful
are you trying to say that if you punch the mountain and some ottermode guy in the same spot on their body the effect will be the same?
sometimes this board is more retarded than /b

>>42115438
A punch to the liver would literally be the same. Maybe, just maybe a third punch for the mountain.

>>42115438
Not him, but the difference is insignificant.

>>42114882
>he can smash your face in easily
Mine, maybe. A professional boxer? Hell no.

>>42115100
Only message from someone actually knowing their shit
>0 replies
Starting MMA fat and losing weight, I never imagined how being against someone heavier is a pain. Yeah surely it's not automatic but god damn you feel it when the guy in front of you has 20kg more than you

>>42115498
I found reach to be much more painful than weight.

>>42115100
So, let's assume a powerlifter, strong and heavy fight a lightweight boxer. Would the PLer still stands a chance ?

>>42115516
Dunno frankly. I have a short reach for my height, but I can work around that, even during striking only (I have a savate/boxing background), but when I shed my weight it was much harder to spar with my heavier friend

>>42115561
He needs some form of training.

>>42115457
>>42115460
now imagine a punch from the mountain against anyone? a real propper punch

>>42115438
>>42115457
>>42115460
having a strong neck protects you from punches to the face

look at boxers training and they all do a lot of neck work

you all must be retarded

>>42115594
>you all must be retarded
Oh the sweet irony.

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>>42110257
>Was it mostly due to him being pretty heavy in terms of BMI?
No you fucking moron, it was because he literally fucked him over by trapping him in an ARM BAR

Did you even watch the fight?

>>42115584
Here's the closest you're going to get

former world's strongest man mariusz pudzianowski getting a clean punch in on one of the famous gracie family

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poiS5RsTObQ

>>42115601
ahh yes guess you know better than the entire fighting industry and in fact having a stronger neck has no benefit whatsoever

>>42115584
It would hurt, but can't even be compared to a professional boxer's punch. We're literally talking day and night, mate.

>>42115606
>ahh yes guess you know better than the entire fighting industry and in fact having a stronger neck has no benefit whatsoever
That's not what either he or I said. We're not arguing the same thing.

>>42115609
honestly it probably would be just as powerful as a professional boxers punch

it's just that if you actually put him in a boxing ring with a boxer he wouldn't be able to land one

I get the feeling OP is a fat guy trying to convince himself he'd have an advantage in a fight from being fat.

>>42115633
>it probably would be just as powerful as a professional boxers punch
hahahahahahaha

>>42115633
>honestly it probably would be just as powerful as a professional boxers punch
No.

>>42115633
Yeees :D

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>>42115649
>>42115669
>these retards seriously think a 5'1 105lb man can punch harder than a 6'9 403lbs worlds strongest man competitor

HOWLING

>>42115670
>>fox and the grape
I assumed that we were talking Tyson stats.

>>42115633
you moutain fanboys assume that mountain is strongest in every fucking sport. Boxers are training to punch harder, strongmans are training to lift heavier weights, there's a difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkkL-bAH8H4
a good example here
>but muh technique
its not technique retards. Larratt simply has stronger arms, SINCE HE'S TRAINING FOR ARM WRESTLING. Pro boxer will have stronger punch that the mountain, because he's training for punching and mountain is training to lift more

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>>42115706
>comparing armwrestling to boxing
>thinking we're talking about an actual boxing match when we're just talking about punching power
>le mystical magical le weightlifting doesn't build functional strength for real !! xD

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>>42115733

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>>42115741
>got BTFO so hard he can't think of a reply
>doesn't even know how to hatpost properly

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>>42115733
>functional strength
>punching power

>>42115733
>>42115754
Are you like 14? 15?

>>42110257
Height is more important for boxing, in an mma fight this can be mitigated.

>>42115609
>>42115706
This, throwing a perfect punch from toes to fist is hard, and adds a lot of power to the punch.

>>42115561
A lightweight is 155lb in MMA. How heavy is the PL?
You don't see many one-punch knockouts in the lighter weight categories. At heavyweight, even a scuffed jab can have knockout power. I've got no problem accepting those guys would fuck me (170lbs) up. They are the kings, but they're also quite rare in real life, so I don't get bent out of shape about it.
Some untrained 'heavyweight' PL? I'm going to fuck him up, but I'm probably not going to be able to knock him out. At least not with one punch. But my punches will hurt him and a few will take their toll. He'll be lucky to land on me at all. If I take him to the ground, he'll learn what rape feels like.
The lightweight will have to hit him a few more times. He'll still destroy him on the ground.

Why compare apples to oranges though? Compare like-for-like.
>untrained lightweight vs untrained heavier weight - heavier dude has an advantage
>trained lightweight vs trained heavier weight - heavier dude has an advantage
>tall vs short, same weight - short has a number of theoretical advantages

You know, we get PL/BB types who start at the gym pretty regularly. They nearly always have that look about them, that ego. They think they're tough guys. The initiation is always the same. Our coach always puts them with one of the smallest dudes in the gym (one guy in particular, who's 5'6, if he's there). The big guys get fucked up (especially on the ground). Then you find out what they're made of...
Some are humbled by the experience and come back. Their whole outlook has changed. They knuckle down and become solid fighters.
Others never show up again. They dare not. Their entire self-image is threatened. They can't accept that they are in fact pussies who can get beaten up by manlets.
I was put in against that manlet on my first day. I went back.

>>42110407
>tfw large head and bones
>really broad shoulder structure
>197lbs
>5'10.5"
Did I make it?

i got humbled the fuck out of yesterday. i always thought that my body weight and size would help me win a fight against anyone (6'6 322lbs) but when i rolled against some smaller guy that has like 4 pro mma fights and in a brown belt in jujistu, i got fucking demolished.....like at one point he actually picked me up and body slammed me. i have not been picked up in years and this kid who was like 5'8 167lbs body slammed me. height and weight have nothing to do in a fight. technique is every fucking thing. you put muscle behind technique and you'll be unstoppable.

>>42116046
>5'10.5"
>this insecure
No. You may as well have said
>my name is Brad
>I am 7 and a half years old
No one who counts half inches can make it.

>>42110257
Knowing how to fight, experience, etc. is by far the most important thing.
Height and weight definitely give you an edge, though. A taller person will have a better reach, and a heavier person (not fat) will of course also have a bonus.
t. non-delusional 5'9