Vegan General

What is a legitimate vegan bulking food? Rice? I used to eat plain brown rice as carb supplement for my meals and the weight I managed to put on was decent. Would like to know my options for nutritional variety and taste.

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>>42023392
>watercress

Nigga, you high?

how much protein does a vegans favorite food, cum, contain?

>>42023431
I find fit's hate for vegans so funny when two thirds of all Americans and so many children are obese or overweight because of your beloved fatty meat.

>>42023392

>me falling for the bait

yeah and you only need to eat 1 kg/ 2,2 lbs of water cress for that amount of protein, which isn't even the deal breaker because your wallet will be in shambles long before you've hit even 30g of protons

fuck off

>>42023404
Red lentils. Boil em down to a pulp with potato and make mash, spice it up and smash it in with whatever you like.

>>42023463
>green paper is more important than Mother Earth

You people deserve to be shut in the face.

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>>42023392
>morally
>killing little rabbits is so evil
>in nature, all herbivores die of old age

pic related (you)

>>42023605
I've been consistently losing weight without going through a boom bust cycle for the 1st time in my life. It feels good to live

>>42023392
Another false-flagging vegan thread, great.

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>>42023392
Nigga I'm Vegan but this is retarded as fuck. Does density and volume mean nothing to you?

>>42023392
yeah I'll just eat 3kg of broccoli every day you fuckwad

>>42023463
>>42024064
>>42024083
If you're going to keep bumping your thread can you say something new?

>>42023392
now show the protein content per 100 grams

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>>42024095
>being this salty

>>42024064
>not eating 5kg of broccoli daily
not gonna make it

Recently switched from eating eats, dairy and meat to a vegan diet. Feels good man. There's no reason to consume animals unless you want cancer and diabetes

>inb4 nogains

Just make sure to eat enough beans and lentils

>>42023392

i eat meat

>>42023462
>because of your beloved fatty meat

yeah, it couldn't be because of the sugar-sweetened drinks, right?

>>42023462
and this is why they hate vegans!
If there are no obese fat People, there would be less beings to hate.

>>42024549
>dietary guidelines are first released
>meat consumption goes down
>carb consumption goes up
>cancer and diabetes both skyrocket

>>42024559

No, it's the meat

>>42024579

Source?

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>>42024582
20 eggs with elk liver in a pool of O N N I T MCT oil vs lentils and quinoa

>>42024608
Scratch that. It's O N N I T krill oil. MCT with eggs would make no sense.

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Fixed

>>42024654
Literally this

>>42023392
>>42024654
vegans confirmed for being losers with way too much free time

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>>42023392
Hey veganLARPER, I missed you

>>42024654
I eat Meat, But who here measures food consumption in grams? Thats retarded. You should make a graph with complete proteins.

>>42023404
Pasta is my way to go. Delicious and calorie dense, also has like 10g of protein

>>42024064
Exactly. Vegan here aswell, this graph is retarded. Countless of high protein vegan food, and he chooses fucking watercress?

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>>42024667

MUH PROTEIN THO

>>42024824
>>42024064
He is false flagging, none of us would make such an OP

>>42024767
>measuring food in grams is retarded

You're american aren't you

>>42023392
Why don't you put tilapia fillet and chicken breast on that graph you dumb fuck. Oh wait I know why.

Also nice incomplete low quality protein, idiot. Enjoy your B12 pills LOL

>>42023392

kale is among the most disgusting things I have ever ate in my entire life. How do vegans eat that crap?

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>>42023565
I'd say this is top tier bait, but vegans can really be this stupid

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>>42025345
WOAH IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE CHERRYPICKING!

Nah couldn't be, vegans are always completely honest and forthright in debate!

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>>42025819
>basically pure protein
how can vegans compete?

>>42025807
>nice incomplete low quality protein,
Nice meme

>>42023392
>using steak
The reason you don't use chicken is because chicken has excess of 20 grams of protein per 100 calories. Rabbit has more than 25 grams per 100 calories. Beef heart is similar. Not to mention the protein you get from these things is higher quality, and doesn't give you fucking instant diarrhea.

>>42025829
>>42025819
Seitan

>>42025836
LMFAO yeah human biological science is a "meme"

I'm in fucking med school, idiot. Take a basic Bio 101 and you will learn the definition of a complete protein. I bet you can't even explain it without googling hahaha

>>42025819
>we are fish

>>42025836
>Nice meme
There's a reason that there's no vegan lifters who are actually vegan. Remember that roids are a meat product.

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>>42023392
A Russian and a Finnish soldier are talking, comparing their national armies.

The Russian says: "In Russian army, infantryman gets to eat 1500 Calories worth EVERY DAY!"

The Finn replies: "What? That's way less than what a grown man needs. In our army, we get at
least 2500 Calories worth, AND you get seconds if you want."

The Russian gets mad and shouts: "You lie! No man who eats 2500 Calories worth of cabbage would ever want seconds!"

>>42025848
is inferior to tilapia as a source of protein because it has much more carbohydrates than tilapia and the same fats.

>>42025870
Lol that's a pretty good joke. Unfortunately I li

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>>42025829
protein is over rated anyway & carbz are good

>>42025846
nope only cancer & heart disease

>>42025891
>eating 10 tablespoons of pumpkin seeds

hope you like tasteless seeds bro

>>42025852
>I'm in fucking med school, idiot.
I'm an engineer MSc. This means that you are equally qualified to me, because neither of us is an RD.
>Take a basic Bio 101 and you will learn the definition of a complete protein.
There is no such thing. Not even googling anything, just put tofu and steak on cronometer, adjust for protein g or kcal and see the essential amino acid breakdown yourself
>>42025867
Actually roids are vegan, they are made from yams

>>42023392
Why are all vegans absolutely fucking crazy? Every vegan I ever knew was a cutter, bulimic at one point, has a mental illness, or is completely neurotic/unstable.

ITT: Salty vegans

>>42025873
>much more carbohydrates
Thanks for outing yourself as a ketotard, so that I don't waste any time on you

>>42025900
tastes better than death bro

>>42023404
motherfucking oats, mang

>>42023392
Yeah try per 100 grams cumsock, do you know how much 100 calories of watercress is

i want to be vegan but i dont trust b12 supplements, is it okay to eat a clam every day? i honestly doubt they're sentient

>>42023392

Hundred grams of kale.... you realize how much fucking kale that is?

>>42025952
https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2000/b12-deficiency-may-be-more-widespread-than-thought/
Supplements work fine
If you want to eat clams eat clams who cares

>>42025952
not really a big deal imo, and there are many options for b12

>1 tablet a week
>tongue spray thingie
>injection twice a year

What is a vegan's endgame? For everyone in the world to be vegan?

>>42025989
To live longer

>>42025989
I just want to know my plate doesn't contain someone's corpse anon, no endgame here

>>42023392
Why don't you just eat equal parts of rice & pea protein powder?

>>42025989
not murdering needlessly

>>42025924
I said "as a source of protein" you god damn fucking imbecile. Holy shit.

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>>42025952
I eat cereals and non dairy milk because they're 0% sentient.

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>>42025852
I'm gonna use this post as a pasta for the rest of thr year, hats off to you, "med school student"

>>42026023
prefer not to eat processed food

>>42026013
>corpse
>>42026015
>murdering
Post your body

>>42025999
Isn't the whole point of living to enjoy it? If you're not enjoying eating corpses then more power to you I guess.
>>42026013
>>42026015
Meat/carcasses generally don't look that bad after being butchered. I don't really mind them. I've killed animals by hand myself and don't feel really feel bad if I'm going to eat it. Honestly sometimes I feel worse killing pests like cockroaches.

>>42026051
flesh is processed grains tho

>>42023392
Try eating 300 calories worth of watercress you fucking autistic faggot

>>42026071
most people here are overweight shit tards so it wont hurt them

>>42026057
>Isn't the whole point of living to enjoy it?
More life to enjoy innit

>>42023392
>/fit/
>vegan
Pic one faggots

>>42026125
cancer - flesh eater

pick 2 faggot

>>42026057
>Isn't the whole point of living to enjoy it?
If you want to be an unhealthful piece of shit you can do it in ways that don't cause death and suffering to people around you and billions of sentient animals. If you don't care about any of that then why should someone who isn't me be against raping and killing you? It's not like your life will make humanity better at all. Maybe your mother will weep at your death. Oh well. Life is to enjoy and someone who isn't me can't enjoy life without eating the meat from your bones. I personally don't care. That's his choice and your problem. You taste better than seasoned TVP since eating meat is in our manly nature ooga booga

>>42026057
>Isn't the whole point of living to enjoy it? If you're not enjoying eating corpses then more power to you I guess.
>Meat/carcasses generally don't look that bad after being butchered. I don't really mind them. I've killed animals by hand myself and don't feel really feel bad if I'm going to eat it. Honestly sometimes I feel worse killing pests like cockroaches.
This means that you still don't want to kill animals but have convinced yourself it's okay as long as you eat it or as long as it doesn't look like an animal
Food for thought:
1) Please try to reconnect the reality of where/who your food came from, what happened to them. Note how I said "I like to KNOW about my food" where you said "I like it when my food doesn't LOOK like..."
2) Utilitarianism doesn't dictate morality. If I rob an old lady at the bus and then use her money for my benefit, that doesn't mean that what I did is moral or that I shouldn't feel bad.
3) Enjoyment does not dictate morality. If I cheat on my girlfriend because I like her hot friend, that doesn't make my action any less moral. Even if it's legal (she was consenting and over 18), like eating meat currently is. Of course I enjoyed eating corpses, I miss them every day. But as humans we have the ability to make informed decisions and not just act on impulse.

You seem like a nice guy who is on the right track. Please at least go vegan 1 day of the week. You have only to gain.

>>42026169
i think they call is cognitive dissonance

>>42026185
Yeah, not a native speaker here

>>42026133
>>42026148
>>42026169
Hey bros I'm thinking of going vegan. Can you post your Natty vegan physiques? Also tell me how long you've been lifting and how long you've been vegan.

>>42025907

don't know if this is bait or not, but unfortunately, the majority is, but not every one of them

>>42026023
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg
>John Harvey Kellogg, M.D. (February 26, 1852 – December 14, 1943) was an American medical doctor in Battle Creek, Michigan, who ran a sanitarium using holistic methods, with a particular focus on nutrition, enemas, and exercise. Kellogg was an advocate of vegetarianism for health and is best known for the invention of the breakfast cereal known as corn flakes with his brother, Will Keith Kellogg.[1]

It was made by a veggyfag, and then they added sugars and the people still got fat

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>>42024580
What a shitty troll. I'm eating exclusively meat and eggs. My fat has dropped and I feel way better since cutting out.ALL carbs including veggies. Also lol at eating 600 calories of kale. Disgusting

>>42026202
https://www.strava.com/athletes/15752364
not all fit people lift i run ultra marathons
lifting would be counter productive
i dont need to lift for grills

>>42023462
I find vegan love on /fit/ so funny because I've been a healthy weight all my life. I eat 5 meals a day that each are based around meat. I have a great heart rate and blood pressure. And I've actually made it. I'm 6 feet tall, weight 190 lbs and my abs are visible. I know for a fact that 99% of you vegans are so fucking dyel.

>>42026207
psst keto is meem enjoy cancer & heart disease

>>42026202
vegan hustle tv
jon venus
brian turner
vegan physique
musclenmind
hench herbivore
Patrick baboumian
Kendrick Farris

I could go on, but even if I post myself you'll either say "nuh-uh you made this when eating meat" and you'll say "nuh-uh steroids" about the youtubers

So yeah, nah, fuck you :)

>>42023462
i've seen insanely fat vegans.
deep fried chick peas are not exactly healthy either.
meanwhile, the people with the best physiques eat a lot of lean meat, while the best looking vegans are usually one tick above skinnyfat.
if you do your diet for morality reasons, don't let me stop you, but don't act like it's somehow inherently more healthy, because it aint.
Well balanced diet is the healthiest by far.

>>42026224
Cancer and heart disease are from over consumption of carbs and red meat

>>42026223
>I smoke 5 packs a day that each are based around nicotine and tar. I have a great heart rate and blood pressure. And I've actually made it. I'm 6 feet tall, weight 190 lbs and my abs are visible. I know for a fact that 99% of you non-smokers are just pussies

>>42026207
what race are you, and not a generic race, I mean specific sub race of a race.

>>42026216
I will respect the athleticism needed to be a serious runner, but not many people disbelieve that vegan can be skelly joggers. If there's not a single muscular vegan here then you guys have a serious problem with your shilling especially when you tell people plant protein (which is undeniably less bioavailable) is just as good as animal protein.

>>42026207
>falling for the keto meme
have a nice premature death i guess

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>>42026205
>It was made by a veggyfag
Wtf I love kellogs now

>and then they added sugars and the people still got fat
Makes me think

>>42026207
Wtf I love liver now

>>42025819
WOAH it's merely 10x as expensive as getting protein from bread, not to mention it's full of PCB's and heavy metals!
Wtf I love eating fish totally not farmed in china now!

>>42026254
cholesterol only comes from animal sources.

>>42026267
i am far more than a jogger coming top 2% in results for most races votes me out of that category

>>42026267
animal protein is just plant protein processed through a living animal you get the quality second hand

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>>42026254
>Over consumption of carbs
Impossible on a whole foods diet

>>42023486
or sprout them and eat raw

less gas and more microbiota gains

>>42025345
whole wheat and peanut butter are just better food than a cheeseburger. that's the simple fact

>>42025745
not vegan but skyr is god-tier non-fat probiotic protein. i don't understand why it's not vegan because cultured dairy is by definition a "microorganism product" and not an "animal product"

whatevs, troll thread

sage

>>42026251
Why, literally give me one damn reason. A 100 % plant based diet has EVERYTHING an omnivorous diet has, minus the cholesterol. Yes, vegan food tends to be low in calories and therefore youll probably need to eat a bit more (even though thats not necessarily true as pasta,rice,peanut butter, seeds and so on are high in calories), but other than that you cant label a vegan diet as less healthy/incomplete

>>42026286
what are macros

>>42026254
>Cancer and heart disease are from over consumption of carbs
Factually incorrect, and if there is one form of carbs that is hitler it's refined carbs
Carbs from lentils, oats and peppers are god tier

>>42023462
it's sugar not fat lmao

>>42024654
vegans BTFO

>>42026264
Half Ashkenazi Jewish half Tennessee American
>>42026290
See: rice wheat most nuts

>>42026307
>I get much less bang for my buck but that's ok because I only eat 90%+ protein foods

>>42026312
hahahaha sugar makes u fat.... are you sure its not the fat making you fat

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>>42023565
nigga wat

>>42026331
>nuts
Nuts are a nutrient-dense, heart-healthy food
with a favorable fatty acid profile.

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>>42023392
>more protein from calories = good
>propose people to eat 13 times as much food with low protein

>>42026331
>Half Ashkenazi Jewish half Tennessee American

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/europeans-genes-fat-neanderthals_n_5083408.html

>muh Neanderthal blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRELldIuZyM

Even though you are a jew, your biology still makes you very interesting if you truly eat what you say you do. I would even reccomend you yids gather together and do a study on how most of your race fairs compared to europeans, asians and a couple of other races to fats. You got the money dont you lol?

>>42026207

let me tell you something, in a 1,5 month i lost 22lbs w a high carb diet, and i'm not excessively overweight, if you're there's no fucking need to eat a fuckton of shit that's going to play a major role in your health in the distant future.

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>>42026312
>eating literal fat which is metabolized and stored eficiently in your own lipids and which overconsumption doesn't lead to significantly higher levels of macro oxidation does not make people fat but eating sugar which is circulated in our blood and deposited in our muscles and organs and which overconsumption increases macro oxidation significantly does make people fat

>>42026387
W-well yeah but what about COMPLETE AMINO PROTEINS and vitamin B-123?
Checkmate, vegayns

>>42026387
post pic of your lean machine body

>>42026353
also seeds like flax, sunflower, pumpkin, hemp, fig, and chia provide various omega fatty acids

nuts and nut products, seeds, avocados, seaweed, and legumes should provide a reasonably complete fat profile, without the need for e.g. fish oil pills

>>42026411
too think to know your fellow carnist

>>42026054
>Post your body
shit in your own mouth

>>42026387
In the United States, obesity has become increasingly common even as the percentage of fat in the American diet has declined from 45 percent in the 1960s to about 33 percent in the late 1990s. So, cutting fat is not shrinking waistlines.

Experimental studies lasting one year or longer have not shown a link between dietary fat and weight.

In the eight-year Women’s Health Initiative Dietary Modification Trial, women assigned to a low-fat diet didn’t lose or gain more weight than women eating their usual fare.

>>42026441
the inn thing now is cutting sugar and were at our worse

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>>42025971
>Oddly, the researchers found no association between plasma B12 levels and meat, poultry, and fish intake, even though these foods supply the bulk of B12 in the diet. “It’s not because people aren’t eating enough meat,” Tucker said. “The vitamin isn’t getting absorbed.”

>>42026305
>literally give me one damn reason.
B12

>>42026441
In the USA sugar has been under attack since the late 90's and since the early 2000's sugar intake has declined yet obesity has still increased at basically the same rate as before.

The only way to explain this is to look at the overall caloric intake averages in the usa, which are still increasing.

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>not doing BOLAD

never gonna make it

>>42026512
wut

I live in a hella red state where the word vegans makes these hicks shake like a dog shitting peach pits. As a result, the local suoer.srket stocks, but never sells their prepackaged vegan stuff, and I can always score it at very steep discounts or free once it hits expiration. Anyone know how bad this stuff is for You? The ingredients list and macros look great, but it's still processed food, ypu know

>>42026546
dont eat it then just eat f&v

>>42026464
>>42026515
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/98/4/1084.short

>>42026305
i didn't label it as less healthy.
i said it's not inherently MORE healthy.
which is what you seem to be inferring.
you can be vegan and eat absolute shit, you can be omnivore and eat insanely clean.
like i said, deep fried chick peas vs turkey breast and leafy greens vs cheeseburger.

>>42026577
can you point me in the direction of a similar post with fruit sugar or something not refined you fuck tard

>>42026591
>you can be omnivore and eat insanely clean
Only if you make no more than 5 percent of your diet animal based

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>>42026577
That's not looking at total sugar intake, merely looking at the increased intake of sugary drinks.

>>42026387
i find it funny how vegans somehow think there is no plant based fats.
drinking olive oil straight out of the bottle is vegan.
margerine (rich in healthy vegan trans fats) is vegan.
face it already, eating healthy is not a choice between animal products or none, it is a choice between well balanced diet of healthy foods or literal shitfest of junkfood.
veganism can be either, omnivore can be either just as easily.

>>42026512
In case you didnt know, B12 isnt magically produced by animals. B12 is made by bacteria. Thats why many omnivores suffer from B12 deficiencies aswell, despite the fact most farm animals eat food that is fortified with B12, hence why you get B12 when you eat their meat. The easiest solution? Supplement it instead of eating meat that is also full of saturated fats. And if youre against that because its "unnatural", then plenty of vegan foods are fortified with B12, like soy milk. Youre welcome

>>42026611
nonsense.
fish, poultry, eggs, cottage cheese, greek yoghurt etc etc.
meanwhile on the vegan side white bread, pasta etc.

>>42026652
>still thinks saturated fat is unhealthy
>in 2017

>>42026607
I thought you were talking about added sugar, fruit is fine
>>42026625
Okay, so why do you think the most of the people recorded in that study who drank sugar-sweetened beverages gained weight?

>>42026649
>i find it funny how vegans somehow think there is no plant based fats.
amazing red herring brah

>drinking olive oil straight out of the bottle is vegan.
cutting off your fingers with pliers is also vegan, doesn't mean you should do it. are you retarded?

>>42026671
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
Unless you unironically believe that saturated fat is healthy

>>42026671
it is, however there are plenty of saturated fat sources on the vegan side of things.

>>42026684
I do
>>42026685
It isn't

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>>42026649
I don't find it funny desu, I think some vegans actually think like that which is retarded.
Fats from olive or coconut oil are still fats, and so they are incredibly fattening.
It's just ridiculously difficult to eat very low sugar if you are eating a vegan diet which is almost always rich in carbs, so a vegan diet is usually associated with at least moderate levels of sugar specially if you don't demonize fruits.

Personally, I keep my sugar intake very low, lower than my fat intake most of the time, I find that I get very constant energy levels like this despite eating a lot of carbs.

>>42026671
>cucked by meat industry
>2017

>>42026693
>bluepilled by the government
>in 2017

>>42026683
>cutting off your fingers with pliers is also vegan
didn't know that was a diet choice.
also, no it isn't. how is that even remotely exclusive to vegans? anyone can do that.
nice false equivalency.
argue the actual point or fuck off to your deep fryer induced obesity.

>>42026703
>also, no it isn't. how is that even remotely exclusive to vegans? anyone can do that.
anyone can drink a bottle of olive oil too. nobody is advocating drinking olive oil, your point has nothing to do with veganism

>>42026667
https://bluezones.com/recipes/food-guidelines/
Nope it's proven sense and I hope the world leaders force you to follow it.

>>42026716
olive oil is vegan
therefore consuming ludicrous amounts of olive oil would constitute a vegan diet.
deep frying white bread is vegan.
eating straight sugar is vegan.
what i am trying to get at here (which seems to be flying over your head) is that vegan diet is NOT inherently more healthy whatsoever.
you can be the most devout vegan on the planet and still have a shit diet. quite easily in fact.
>i am vegan therefore i am healthy
is such a ludicrous logical fallacy, it is downright dangerous.

>>42026682
>Okay, so why do you think the most of the people recorded in that study who drank sugar-sweetened beverages gained weight?

Because they increased their energy intake?
Higher sugar/carbs diminish fat oxidation, and thus net fat storage goes up unless you're eating at enough of an energy deficit to make up for it.

People think that this means carbs or sugar make people fat, but it's just not true.
Fat is very eficiently stored, and only used second as energy or for metabolic purposes.
The more fat you eat barely impacts fat oxidation, and thus you are literally eating fat to get fatter, and unless you have low enough carbs in your diet your fat oxidation will be so low that the net fat storage will overtake its oxidation and thus make you fatter.

Also, that study was merely looking at correlations, not actual bodily function and response due to certain dosages of sugary drinks, so that's not even taking their caloric intake into account.
It's merely looking at people who drink the most sugary drinks, who happen to be fatter.

>>42026671
Nevermind, dont even know why I even bothered. Have a good day and if you have a minute maybe try to educate yourself on this subject before spouting bullshit like "vegans diet are incomplete and unhealthy!!"

While I believe there seems to be some correlation between red meat consumption and some type of cancer from my reading, I've still not found anything about this saturated vs non-saturated fat being one unhealthy and the other not? IIRC the most important/accurate thing to consider for health is waist-hip ratio/body fat, regardless of what you eat.

>>42026760
>what i am trying to get at here (which seems to be flying over your head) is that vegan diet is NOT inherently more healthy whatsoever.
you can be the most devout vegan on the planet and still have a shit diet. quite easily in fact.
nobody is making the claim that an insane vegan diet will be healthy. where are you getting this idea

>>42026772
Calm down you little bitch, I'm not the person you were talking to. Veganism is definitely retarded though.

I've recently gotten into vegan for health reasons, can I stay? One question for you is how do I forgo my eggs, I fucking love poached eggs.

>>42026794
by making the connection

>>42026784
>IIRC the most important/accurate thing to consider for health is waist-hip ratio/body fat, regardless of what you eat.
exactly, you might as well eat nothing but apple seeds and lard, as long as you don't overeat them, you'll be fine. probably.

>>42026794
Have 3 poached eggs a week. You know they're unhealthy so eat them sparingly until you figure out vegan foods you enjoy more.

>>42026792
Nice answer, saying veganism is retarded without even explaining why. Not even surprised though, I guess thats the standard answer people give when they realize they know nothing about something

Not being a Breatharian
vegans are morally bankrupt

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>>42026836
Okay, buddy.

>>42026832
>eggs are unhealthy

Is it the 1990s already?

>>42026515
assuming calories are basically carbs in the simplest sense, it's the refined grain sugars that do serious damage. they're in most foods and are quickly metabolized at any "thyroid" condition. unless you work out immediately after, which you won't have energy to do for long, you'll get fat.

whole grains, probiotic cultured milk, mushrooms, and seaweed/plankton have a lot of the best carbs (most complex sugars) that are metabolized slowly over time and require a robust gut microflora to break down efficiently. eating "high carb" will probably make sedentary people fat, but their bodies would atrophy regardless from lack of use.

honey is a good sweetener

>>42026649
margarine is cancer

>>42026760
>deep frying white bread is vegan
exactly, bro. vegan is silly, healthy is smart

>>42026765
Sugar is addictive, calorie dense, impairs cognitive function, leads to an imbalanced microbial population in the gut, and lacks a decent nutritional profile.

Why are you advocating the consumption of it?

can anybody list for me moral reasons for eating meat please.

>>42026262
Are you retarded anon? Smoking has an impact on everything you listed. Try smoking a cigarette and testing blood pressure. It'll be like 20 points higher.

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>>42024654

>>42026943
beyond help smokers don't care about their health

>>42026943
he's trying to make a point, smarty pants

>>42023392
>per 100 calories

100 calories of cabbage is 400 grams, or half a head of cabbage, 14 ounces. Almost a pound of lettuce

>>42026966
are you scared of a little bit of lettuce, pussy boy?

>>42026966
>lettuce
never gonna make it

>>42026976
says the "male" who's scared of dead animal

>>42026989
haha wait, are you legit trying to say that lettuce is scarier than a corpse?

>>42027000
i'm saying that neither meat nor lettuce is scary

>>42026885
I mean... the 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans concluded that “individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible.”

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>>42026916
I am not advocating for its consumption, I just don't think it even is an issue in people that don't have metabolic disorders like diabetes.
Even retarded raw vegans who eat mostly fruits all day manage to get lean.

Sugar being addictive might be true, to be honest I have no idea if it actually is so I'm not gonna comment on that considering I haven't read the literature on the subject of addictiveness to sugar.

I think people should not fear carbs and eat a good ammount of vegetables/legumes/starches/fruits, but keep their sugar intake as low as possible.

but scooby is sudo vegetarian tho we all know this right

>>42027063
>Dietary Guidelines for Americans

scoff

>>42027088
Yeah, I trust their interpretation of studies more than my own haha

>>42026262
>>42026943
>>42026960
>>42026961

Literally one of the stupidest ways to argue this. The whole vegan argument is that eating meats is high in saturated fats and cholesterol. The reason both of these are bad is because they cause plaque in the blood stream. As a result the heart has to work much harder to pump blood through these now more narrow arteries. Heart attacks and strokes are caused this way too. Strokes are complete blockages that prevent blood from getting through. Heart attacks are blockages in the heart.

The fact that I have to spell this out for the original shitposter means he has no idea why hes vegan. Literally just believes whatever he hears.

I'm not going to get into why smoking is bad and how it effects heart rate and blood pressure but it does. If you don't believe me google it or smoke one cigarette and test your blood pressure when you finish the cigarette.

Comparing the two shows how uneducated he is on anything nutrition related.

>>42023462
I hate both.

>>42023404
Make sure you wash that brown rice till the water's clean, get all that arsenic off nigga

>>42027111
>>42026960
i was pointing out a fact

im veegain

>>42027111
Pretty much the only way to measure how clogged each artery is is through blood pressure and heart rate. If arteries are clogged, the person will have a very high heart rate and blood pressure. If arteries are healthy then heart rate and blood pressure will be normal-low.

>>42023462
The obesity epidemic has nothing to do with meat and everything to do with high fructose corn syrup and sugar.

>>42027153
Meat eating does not mean not caring about health. A well balanced diet is better than vegan for ones health. Sure animals still die but in terms of health it is better. And sure the average vegan diet is healthier than the average unbalanced diet. But comparing smoking to someone who eats strictly for nutrition and macros just doesn't work.

>>42026765
>>42026916
>>42027067
why aren't we discussing the quality of the sugars themselves? eating more fiber suggests whole-grain complex sugars with relatively low amounts of unsat fat

the same goes for microbial products like mushrooms and cultured dairy. the nutrition label says so many g of sugar without explanation, but that refers to the estimated mass of the probiotics. the structural component is heavy molecular weight sugars

fruit is a better snack or accessory carb, imo

>>42027216
I thought it was obvious we were talking about refined sugars.

>>42027111
>Literally one of the stupidest ways to argue this.
Argue what? You quoted both sides of the argument
>The whole vegan argument is that eating meats is high in saturated fats and cholesterol.
Nope, that's the tertiary vegan argument. The main is that eating someone else is immoral and the secondary is that large scale animal agriculture is unsustainable in terms of deforestation, GHG emissions and water usage
>The reason both of these are bad is because they cause plaque in the blood stream. As a result the heart has to work much harder to pump blood through these now more narrow arteries. Heart attacks and strokes are caused this way too. Strokes are complete blockages that prevent blood from getting through. Heart attacks are blockages in the heart.
Yes, all that is true. Dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol and blood cholesterol raises heart disease risk. So you're pro vegan?
>The fact that I have to spell this out for the original shitposter means he has no idea why hes vegan.
So you're anti vegan? And anyway, no, the reason I'm vegan is that I like to know that my plate, belly and poop does not contain someone else.
>Literally just believes whatever he hears.
If logic, peer reviewed papers and meta analyses qualify as "whatever he hears" then sure, that's me. If you mean sensationalist infographics, then no.
>I'm not going to get into why smoking is bad and how it effects heart rate and blood pressure but it does.
Yes, it does, much like cholesterol.
>If you don't believe me google it or smoke one cigarette and test your blood pressure when you finish the cigarette.
My point here >>42026262 was that anecdotal evidence and outliers don't count.
>Comparing the two shows how uneducated he is on anything nutrition related.
No u

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Uh oh. I can't stop eating soy for the majority of my protein. W-what's going to happen to my penis and my chest?

>>42027276
Is that Omar Isuf pre-op?

>>42027276
Just buy rice / pea protein powder instead.

>>42027230
my mistake, those are better excluded anyway. low nutrition and short energy, worse than an apple which at least is beneficial to health

the microbial diet is a wonderful thing imo

please continue uninterrupted

>>42027262
>unsustainable in terms of deforestation, GHG emissions and water usage
>europe had more forests than a 100 years ago thanks to more intense farming
>the water stress map of the globe shows only problem areas in niggerland and mudslime land

the only thing in my mind that is questionable are the emissions, but only questionable as we know how the environmentalist faggots lie about nearly everything.

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>>42023392
>morally
>>42023605
>>42026169
>morality
>>42026251
>morality
>>42026865
>morally
>>42026917
>moral
>>42027262
>immoral

Not trying to be a dick here, but WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH FITNESS IN ANY WAY?

>>42023462
Its sugar + carbs that causes obesity you moron.
Note that veganism doesn't ban either or the real culprits of poor health

>>42027389
>Its sugar + carbs that causes obesity you moron.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/nutrient-intake-nutrient-storage-and-nutrient-oxidation.html/

>>42027382
I'll help
>>42023462
>we start discussing the health detriments of cholesterol
>>42026223
>anon says he is healthy even though he eats red meat
>>42026262
>I demonstrate why his "argument" is dumb
>>42027111
>Anon wastes trips and repeats that the health argument is bad
>>42027262
>I get 262 2 times in a row and explain that health is not the main argument of veganism but we have to use it as a proxy to make our posts and threads /fit/ related
>>42027382
>You ask a question, I answer it
>>42027340
>unsustainable in terms of deforestation, GHG emissions and water usage
Yes
>europe had more forests than a 100 years ago thanks to more intense farming
And the amazon has less because they are all being cut down for soy and palm oil. Palm oil is not vegan and >90% of soy is cattle feed for north American cows and pigs
>the water stress map of the globe shows only problem areas in niggerland and mudslime land
The water stress map shows that hot countries have little water, that has nothing to do with us using more than we need. What are you trying to say
Also nice dodge on the GHG argument and the morality argument

>>42027262
Are all vegans this retarded? Yes saturated fats are bad. Dietary cholesterol does not result in high cholesterol in ones body, this has been debunked. A shit diet results in high cholesterol. However eating meat does not clog arteries. 100g of chicken breast has 1g of saturated fat. Small amounts of these bad fats will not harm the body. It's about eating the right food. Avoiding things like ground beef which for 100g 11g of that is saturated fat and 1.8g is trans fat. It's about picking the right meats. It is actually better to eat these lean meats with lots of veggies then to just eat veggies as it is much easier to avoid the countless nutrient deficiencies that vegans are proven to have.

Animals will die regardless if we do it or not. Also, do you know how these plants are fertilized? Without the waist of animals it would be impossible to maintain the agriculture we rely on.

>>42025952

>Doubt they're sentient
Fish are barely sentient yet vegans still put them on the same level as genuinely intelligent animals like pigs.

There is no ethical argument for veganism unless you want to play the sustainability card; by most definitions, plants technically feel and react to pain, so if eating animals is cruel, so is eating plants.

>>42027382
>Not trying to be morally fit

>>42025999
I have never seen a convincing study claiming people who go vegan live longer.

>>42027452
>Dietary cholesterol does not result in high cholesterol in ones body, this has been debunked.

It hasn't, cholesterol intake and cholesterol in the blood are not increased in proportion, but a man who increases his dietary cholesterol while keeping calories the same will have higher blood cholesterol.

The issue here is that after a certain point of cholesterol consumption you are barely increasing your blood cholesterol, meaning that looking at meta analysis is not productive since there are so many variables at play, including individual genetics and lifestyle.

>>42027452
>Dietary cholesterol does not result in high cholesterol in ones body, this has been debunked.
I'm with you on this
>Yes saturated fats are bad.
Why?

>>42027507
Being fat increases your cholesterol level, not by eating high cholesterol food

>>42027507
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22037012

You fucking mong

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>>42026023
>13g sugar / 100g
F

>>42027477
>plants technically feel and react to pain

Plants react to damage by chemical reaction at the base level, they do not feel pain or sorrow.
Pretty much how our skin reacts to damage.

>>42027518
Was taught that they are bad but through a google search that might not even be true.
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20140320/dietary-fats-q-a#1

Even if it is not all meats have high amounts of these

>>42026068
KYS

>>42027546
Thanks anon

>>42027540
Eating cholesterol literally increases your cholesterol levels in the blood, the higher your cholesterolthe lower the increase is though.

>>42027546
>In addition, eligible studies reported limited subgroup data to account for individual variation in response to dietary cholesterol (69). This variation can partly be explained by factors including, ethnicity, hormonal status, obesity, lipoprotein disorders, and genetic predisposition (7, 70). Few studies in our review considered separate sex, age, ethnicity, and hyper- or hyporesponding subgroups. Further studies are warranted to examine the role of individual variation in serum lipid concentration response to increasing dietary cholesterol.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/102/2/276.full
>FURTHER STUDIES ARE WARRANTED to examine the role of INDIVIDUAL VARIATION in serum lipid concentration response to increasing dietary cholesterol.
>Dietary cholesterol statistically significantly increased both serum total cholesterol (17 trials; net change: 11.2 mg/dL; 95% CI: 6.4, 15.9) and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (14 trials; net change: 6.7 mg/dL; 95% CI: 1.7, 11.7 mg/dL). Increases in LDL cholesterol were no longer statistically significant when intervention doses exceeded 900 mg/d. Dietary cholesterol also statistically significantly increased serum high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (13 trials; net change: 3.2 mg/dL; 95% CI: 0.9, 9.7 mg/dL) and the LDL to high-density lipoprotein ratio (5 trials; net change: 0.2; 95% CI: 0.0, 0.3). Dietary cholesterol did not statistically significantly change serum triglycerides or very-low-density lipoprotein concentrations.

>>42027641
>all meat is bad because of 1 components that can easily be avoided
>being this retarded

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>>42027452
>Are all vegans this retarded?
Loaded question, implies I am retarded, which I'm not
>Yes saturated fats are bad.
Glad we agree
>Dietary cholesterol does not result in high cholesterol in ones body
Yes, it absolutely does.
https://nutritionfacts.org/2016/03/22/the-effects-of-dietary-cholesterol-on-blood-cholesterol/
>But when you eat a meal with fat and more and more egg, triglycerides and blood cholesterol shoot up.
>That’s the kind of data that’s bad for egg sales; so, how could you design a study to hide this fact?
>What if you only measured fasting cholesterol levels in the morning, seven hours after supper? You wouldn’t see a big difference between those that ate eggs the night before and those that didn’t.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1534437/
>tldr dietary cholesterol affects blood cholesterol
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109704007168
>tldr LDL should be <70 mg/dL
Of course if you have LDL 180 and eat eggs with bacon fried in butter it won't affect you, you're already 2.5 times over the limit. Studies that show that eggs don't affect LDL have test subjects with baseline LDL >100 (plus the jewish fuckery with the timing posted 5 lines above)
>this has been debunked.
No, it hasn't, see above
>A shit diet results in high cholesterol.
Exacty, we agree
>However eating meat does not clog arteries.
Red meat IS part of a shitty diet, anon
>100g of chicken breast has 1g of saturated fat. Small amounts of these bad fats will not harm the body. It's about eating the right food.
I mean one cigarette a day won't hurt you either, but why not just completely quit smoking?
1/2

>>42027707
>>42027452
2/2
>Avoiding things like ground beef which for 100g 11g of that is saturated fat and 1.8g is trans fat. It's about picking the right meats. It is actually better to eat these lean meats with lots of veggies then to just eat veggies as it is much easier to avoid the countless nutrient deficiencies that vegans are proven to have.
Vegans don't eat only plants, and vegans who don't properly plan their diet do get deficiencies, just like meat eaters with poor diets. Veganism isn't inherently a poor dietary choice. Just use chronometer how hard is it
>Animals will die regardless if we do it or not.
Not by the trillion per year, live and let live
>Also, do you know how these plants are fertilized?
Synthetic fertilizers exist too
>Without the waist of animals it would be impossible to maintain the agriculture we rely on.
Terrible argument, nobody eats steak because they want to help the farmers and it's a byproduct anyway, it's not the main reason we kill cows
Also most of the agriculture becomes livestock feed anyway, we wouldn't need this many crops if we went vegan

>>42027707
>>42027720

>all meat is bad because of 2 components that can be easily avoided
>being this retarded
>synthetic fertilizers
>being this retarded

>>42027706
If you cannot refute the trials that literally proved dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol then please stop embarassing yourself.
I'm not even anti meat, I'm just anti pubmed warriors who can't even tell what the limitations from meta analysis or multi study reviews have in finding correlations between dietary components and unhealthy markers such as these.

Dietary cholesterol does not increase blood cholesterol in proportion, the higher your cholesterol is the lower effect dietary cholesterol will have but it WILL STILL increase.

>>42027755
>strawmanning THIS hard

>>42027783
What other argument do I need? A well balanced diet should contain many lean meats, veggies, and unprocessed carbs. Along side with regular exercise and this will result in a long, healthy life.

Verses going vegan. Suffering from numerous deficiencies such as: protien, iron, creatine, EPA/DHA, calcium, iron, zinc, vitamin a, and vitamin d. Suffering from low test, high estrogen, osteoporosis. That's just off the top of my head. I know that broccoli has this much calcium or iron but the fact is it is still a huge amount that need to be consumed to reach the daily intake. I know someone is going to shitpost saying all these foods contain this nutrient but the fact is that the average vegan is deficient in all of these. There are numerous studies proving this. And all of these nutrients can easily be reached without even monitoring ones diet if they ate meat.

Wouldn`t it make more sense to limit just the bad things verses limit and entire section of foods that benefit ones health and not have to carefully monitor every food eaten throughout the day to make sure they reach the proper nutrients and amino acid levels? On top of the massive supplementation that is now needed just to reach normal levels of someone who eats meat?

>>42023392
>per HUNDRED CALORIES
The progressive cognitive deficit from chronic amino acid deficiency has fucked your ability to think to the point where I'm not even sure how you can write coherent sentences, OP. Go eat some McDoubles and some bacon before it's too late for you.

@42027980
Not giving you another (You) baby

VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

So-called 'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies from malnutrition. That's why vegancucks don't make sense, their brains don't work correctly anymore. People I've known who were vegan then gave it up and went back to eating animal products regularly showed positive changes in their personalities and started being able to think more clearly again.

Face it, vegancucks: humans are OMNIVORES, even many vegans admit it, and your meme 'lifestyle' is anti-health, anti-HUMAN, and exists as a political statement more than anything else, erroneously placing dumb lower animals above humans, which is pants-on-head stupid.

You should be banned from posting threads like this. Veganism has no place in a 'health and fitness' forum, it would be more appropriate in >>>/pol/

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>>42023392

>eat 10 servings of fruit and veg all at once
>have to take a giant shit

w-worth it

>>42028110
Why isn't Eating Pussy on that Faggot Chart?

>>42028120
>he doesn't get his woman all riled up first with pussy licking
>expects his cock to be sucked but won't reciprocate
NGTMI

What can you buy in large quantities that's cheap? Right now I basically only buy premade vegan alternatives to things like beef and chicken, throw it in the oven and eat with rice/potatoes/pasta, but it's expensive for ur amount of portions you get and I need to learn how to make things from scratch.

>>42028567
Potatoes, lentils, beans, chickpeas, vital wheat gluten to make homemade seitan (buy liquid smoke and no-beef broth for taste)

>>42026625
Yeah it's carb intake, even from veggies.>>42026378
Interesting. I got a dexa scan and it said my body was efficient at burning fat. Are asians better at burning carbs xd

>>42026205
Reminder he was also a nut
>A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed.
>further
>a method of treatment [to prevent masturbation] ... and we have employed it with entire satisfaction. It consists in the application of one or more silver sutures in such a way as to prevent erection. The prepuce, or foreskin, is drawn forward over the glans, and the needle to which the wire is attached is passed through from one side to the other. After drawing the wire through, the ends are twisted together, and cut off close. It is now impossible for an erection to occur, and the slight irritation thus produced acts as a most powerful means of overcoming the disposition to resort to the practice
>and
>In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid (phenol) to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.

>Cool sitz baths; the cool enema; a spare diet; the application of blisters and other irritants to the sensitive parts of the sexual organs, the removal of the clitoris and nymphae...
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Masturbation_prevention
>(cont.)

>>42028567


TVP. You pour an equal portion of boiling water into the serving you wanna eat. Mix in whatever seasonings you want. 5 minutes later it's fully saturated and cooked ready to eat can't tell the difference between it and mince beef. I'm not a vegan yet but taco meat was my favorite shit and now I have the perfect replacement. It's incredibly cheap They sell TVP in different shapes like fine taco shreds it thick stew friendly chunks. The Red Mill brand is in the consistency of taco meat (after it's hydrated). With the water it expands to twice the volume. Kek I think certain fast food chains use the stuff to cut cost.

>>42028643
>(cont.)
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
>>42027452
>Yes saturated fats are bad.
No, they're not.
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>>42025891
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>>42026441

>even as the percentage of fat in the American diet has declined from 45 percent in the 1960s to about 33 percent in the late 1990s.
>So, cutting fat is not shrinking waistlines.

Probably because people haven't cut fat, they've just added more sugar. The percentage of fat has gone down because total calories have gone up. The absolute amount of fat people have eaten has steadily increased for as long as we've been keeping track of macro consumption.

http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/nutrient_content_of_the_us_food_supply/KilocaloriesandMacronutrientsPerCapitaperDay1909-2010.xls

It would be like if your normal lunch was a stick of butter, and one day you started rolling your stick of butter around in a bag of brown sugar, and said "I switched to low-fat butter but I kept gaining weight"

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>go to /cbt/
>Ctrl f "vegan"
See what happens

>>42028057
>Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal
you seriously believe that's what veganism is?

>>42028726

>article tries to argue that saturated fats don't raise LDL cholesterol
>"plenty of studies support this"
>cites 3 individual studies from 1965, 1963, and 1976 that aren't even designed to find the effects of saturated fats on blood lipids
>no mention of the hundreds of controlled metabolic ward experiments showing clear, strong associations between saturated fat intake and rises in LDL cholesterol

http://www.bmj.com/content/314/7074/112.long

Great website

>>42028112
you actually have to take multiple giant shits. i take at least 2, but often 3 gigantic piles of shit a day. they are truly is a sight to behold

source: guy on a 4k kcal whole foods vegan diet

>>42027980
>citation needed for everything in this post

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>>42028878
Hillary Duff could effortlessly kick every vegan DYELs ass

lmao vegans

>>42029450
look at that stance.
she is stepping in to deliver a devastating blow with her right. you can tell from the photo that it is gonna be way to fast for any vegan to see coming, let alone react to.
what a terrifying fighter (to vegans)

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>>42029662
Browsing these threads for the past month or so I have deduced there's only 1 vegan who lifts at all. The majority are stupid retards that wouldn't understand how pathetic it would be to get their shit pushed in by a girl.

>>42029662
>steps forward right
>"deliver a devastating blow with her right"
Not how it works.

>>42029692
not if it's hillary "vegan crusher" duff, one of the most lethal fighters on the planet (to vegans).

>>42029450
>>42029662
>>42029692
>>42029720
what kind of mental illness do you have?

>>42029703
sorry, i think this technique might be a little to advanced for you.
this is hillary duffs trademark "pussy crusher" style, specifically designed to combat vegans and other dyels.

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>>42029769
Are you that vegan DYEL who said "I... you'll see my physique eventually. Just give me 6 months." Are you old enough to post here?

>>42029798
>>42029808
Are you actually autistic or just underage?

>>42029769
not veganism, that's for sure.

>>42029890
it's okay to be scared.
she IS genuinely dangerous (to you at least)

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>>42029890
Post your vegan body and then while we're dying from laughter tell us bioavailability is a MEME

>>42023392
I'm at a point where steak actually tastes like cancer with seasoning.

>>42030339
why do you know what cancer tastes like?

>>42030379
>not eating cancer for maximum gains

>>42030379
yeah like bad meat

>>42030399
>>42030426
>they have never tried cancer ridden eastern european meat
your loss, really.

>>42023392
>per 100 calories
>not going by weight
Nice bullshit graph, op.

>>42023462
>beloved fatty meat
has been consumed for centuries

>>42027082
Is he sudo natty too?

>>42027451
>Palm oil is not vegan
wait, what?

>>42023462
teach your young american how to prep andcook properly first

>>42026013
>someone's corpse
>someone
Cows are people amirite?

>>42026652
>>Thats why many omnivores suffer from B12 deficiencies aswell
>evolve to be naturally deficient in something you need to live
okay lad

>>42026297
>i don't understand why it's not vegan because cultured dairy is by definition a "microorganism product" and not an "animal product"
yougurt is made from cow's milk you fucking retard

>>42026652
>Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[3][5][27] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, fowl and meat.[28] Insects are a source of B12 for animals (including other insects and humans).[27][29]

>Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[30] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[2][3]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources
>(cont.)

>>42033284
>(cont.)
>>42026652
>soy milk
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476
>Poor cognitive test performance, enlargement of ventricles and low brain weight were each significantly and independently associated with higher midlife tofu consumption. A similar association of midlife tofu intake with poor late life cognitive test scores was also observed among wives of cohort members, using the husband's answers to food frequency questions as proxy for the wife's consumption. Statistically significant associations were consistently demonstrated in linear and logistic multivariate regression models. Odds ratios comparing endpoints among "high-high" with "low-low" consumers were mostly in the range of 1.6 to 2.0.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763906
From an anon describing the studies below and the same on isoflavones: Genistein, dihydrogenistein, and equol have essentially the same binding affinity and degree of receptor activation at ERb as endogenous estrogen. Same with dihydrogenistein and equol at ERa. 3 oz of steak contains 1.9ng of estrogen, 8 ounces of soy milk contains 30000ng of isoflavone, clearly higher on a mole for mole basis. And unlike phytoestrogens estrogen is catabolized by the gastrointestinal tract and only about 5% survives first pass to the liver.
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.13622/full
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/pdf/10.1210/endo.139.10.6216
>https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb/24/4/24_4_351/_article
>http://newsroom.unl.edu/announce/beef/2846/15997
>http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/isoflav/Isoflav_R2.pdf
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0958694611002123
Jamie Lewis on soy
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way-22-12.html

>tfw came here for vegan knowledge and its just meat fags "HURRRR VEGAN IS A SCAM".

this is a vegan general, faggots. why the fuck do you care if people are vegan so much? jesus christ.

that being said, anon here tryna get into vegan. can ppl pls recommend more quick easy vegan meals? i got the basics, peanut butter, whole weat, brown rice, brocolli, pasta, nuts, oats.

what else yall niggaz eat regularly that is quick n easy? gonna be hard transitioning from (literally every day) eggs for breakfast, turkey for lunch, and chicken for dinner.

>>42024809
>pasta
>vegan
Pick one kiddo

>>42027477
K I L L Y O U R S E L F

>>42033385

Most dry pasta you buy in the store is vegan

So silly.

Have you ever actually measured out the volume of 100 calories of water cress or kale?

You're dreaming if you think you're gonna be able to eat 150g of protein from kale each day.

Pic related. Vegan eating her daily mountain of green leaves. How many calories in that mountain of leaves? Probably less than 100.

>>42035196
Pic here

>>42035196
>>42035205
>getting triggered by a fucking obvious bait

Didn't the "People with morally unacceptable diets (vegetarians, meat eaters) are not allowed to answer." part make it obvious?

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>>42023392
I fixed the numbers for you. It really depends on what you're looking for:

If you want absolute bang for your protein buck, just eat eggs and chicken.

If you want the least calories per gram of protein, eat chicken and whey.

If you can't eat 17 pounds of cabbage or afford to eat 10 pounds of watercress ($114) every day, go with eggs/chicken/beef/whey. There's a reason they are staples of every bodybuilding diet.

>>42024654 was pretty close and was probably just looking at a different type of steak.

>>42026692
This study seems really biased. Not only do they use older people (you tend to gain weight as you age), but they're likely comparing people who don't monitor what they consume (meat-eaters, the general public) vs people who specifically do (vegetarians, vegans).

I'd be interested to see data for vegetarians/vegans vs an omnivore that is paying a lot of attention to their weight. Maybe vegan vs meat eating athletes (like an amateur wrestler)?

>>42024809
>pasta
>delicious
only fatties and hipster chicks love pasta

Next to potatoes and rice its like eating cardboard

>>42036022
Yeah if you cant cook for shit that may be true. But thats not my case

>>42036022
>>42036035
If you think about it, all three of them taste rubbish unless you add some delicious fat to them. Keto wins again.

>>42032334
WTF can you even read. I said most people regardless of their diet are deficient in B12. But that doesnt mean theyre gonna die, deficient doesnt mean that you completely lack it

>>42036040
Agree. Whats your point though? Fat can be vegan, and he asked what are good bulking vegan foods

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>>42036057
>Whats your point though?
That fat is great.

Pest control here, I feel worse killing the bugs and mice that eat your grains and vegetables than I do killing something that in going to eat.

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>>42035977
Updated to include some other common foods and meme foods from
>>42024809
>>42025345
>>42025819
>>42026023
>>42026286
and others

>>42036251

Why does that chart not include beans and lentils, some of the cheapest and most protein-rich plant foods that don't require you eat 10kg a day? As far as I'm aware, lentils are the cheapest protein source

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>>42036284
Couldn't include everything.

Beans and Lentils are cheap and don't force you to eat a lot, but they are pretty high in calories compared to something like chicken, fish, beef, or processed dairy

>>42032623
lol half true, the substrate is an animal product, but the food itself is a microorganism product

if vegans want to completely divorce themselves from "animal products," they should also stop eating from farms that also provide animal fodder, and stop using gas, oil, electricity, and anything that depends on it for its production or use

naturally, it's a fool's errand

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>>42036251
>>42036322

>wheat bread protein more expensive than chicken protein


LMAO
GUESS AGAIN YOU MASSIVE FAGGOT

>>42036551

Veganism's premise is that you don't need to eat or buy animal products in order to survive or thrive, and aiming for the least support of animal curelty and enviromental footprint as long as they're options available is the goal of veganism.
We don't need technology in order to survive, but we do need it in order to thrive.
We don't need animal products in order to survive, and we don't need them either in order to thrive.

That's the difference.

>naturally, it's a fool's errand
You don't understand what veganism is.

>>42036629
>we don't need them either in order to thrive.
post body

>>42036593
Compare the prices you posted to >>42036251 >>42036322 and then hang yourself for living in such a shitty country.

You pay almost twice as much for chicken breasts (£6.30/kg vs £3.39/kg)

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>the saturated fats and cholesterol in meat is what's bad for you
>ok then I'll just eat chicken and fish
>nono it's acshually animal protons that were bad for you all along

how much can you reach as a veg*n

>>42036671
Your logic is just wrong there, not that I'm supporting the point behind it.

>>42036593
>need 200g of protein to hit my macros
>two choices
>1.74kg (3.84lbs) of bread (4000 calories)
>0.86kg (1.9lbs) of chicken (920 calories)

gee anon, which one should i choose??

>>42036629
if your diet is a political ideology and not an actual meal plan, why half-ass it and compromise your values? avoiding all animal products means avoiding all animal products, including everything produced by homo sapiens.

i fail to see the logic or value of doing things like not buying a used leather jacket made from a cow that died 50 years ago, but going to urban outfitters and buying a fake one made with petroleum burned yesterday

i also think cheese qualifies as "vegan" because not only is it not an animal product (it's a product of thermophilic and lactophilic bacteria), but also the cow already contains everything needed to make cheese, and not milking a lactating cow because "milk is an animal product" actually causes pain to the sow

>>42027477
Unironically this (kind of), plants don't feel pain but they do react.
Pretty much the same with fish though, and animals like clams/jellyfish give fuck all and are pretty much plants imo.
Pescotarian is GOAT and I'm not even one of them.

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>>42036670
I literally checked the prices of the cheapest type of chicken available and the cheapest kind of wheat bread available.
And if you look at lentils then no type of animal product even comes CLOSE in terms of protein you get for £/$.
>1kg of whole chicken costs 2£ online, literally the cheapest you can find in the biggest groceries store in the uk
>100g of whole chicken has 20g of protein and over 10g of fat
>100g of protein for a £ of whole chicken
>Meanwhile a £ of raw lentils has more than 150g of protein and a kilogram of raw lentils has around 258g of protein

>>42036639
Let's see yours now.

>>42036051
>WTF can you even read.
Yes, are you retarded? Of course people aren't likely to die from B12 deficiency nowadays, but back when we didn't live in an urbanised world it would probably have been a death sentence.
So can you explain to me how it makes sense for us to evolve in a way that has absolutely no evolutionary advantages and would most likely kill us? Do you have any sources to back up your claims?

>it's gonna be another episode of the modern jew fucking with our food making it subpar

>>42026289
>animal protein is just plant protein processed through a living animal you get the quality second hand
You have no semblance of understanding biochemistry, please don't comment on it as you make vegans look far less intelligent as a whole.

>>42024767
It's not difficult, but I'm pretty sure that comparison is meant to highlight how obnoxious both graphs are.

>>42036788
We're too sanitary you idiot. We used to get more than enough B12 out of the soil but now everything's cleaned and cleansed before it's sold. Even livestock would be deficient if the fodder wasn't supplemented with it.

I swear people love to argue about hsit they have no idea about.

>>42036760
>i fail to see the logic or value of doing things like not buying a used leather jacket made from a cow that died 50 years ago, but going to urban outfitters and buying a fake one made with petroleum burned yesterday
I personally don't care, I don't buy leather jackets or fake alternatives, that's my honest prespective on the subject. I don't see the point in buying furs or leather clothing, specially in the civilized first world.
>if your diet is a political ideology and not an actual meal plan, why half-ass it and compromise your values? avoiding all animal products means avoiding all animal products, including everything produced by homo sapiens.
You don't know what my values are, and you don't understand what veganism is like it is shown in your previous post.
Avoiding animal products in a vegan context entails purely avoiding products that required the direct killing or suffering of non human animals.
>I also think cheese qualifies as vegan
I honestly don't care, eat cheese if you want, call yourself a vegan if you want, I don't like eating cheese because I don't think it's a healthy food and I dislike the taste.
I look at this not just from a pro animal rights vegan prespective but also from an enviromentalist and nutritionist prespective, anything we do could cause the suffering of sentient beings indirectly if you look into it hard enough, but it doesn't mean we can reduce it as much as possible, so I look at what causes the least ammount of pollution or environmental footprint in the world and I aim for it because in the end it is the single greatest menace to all life on earth bar none. And if I can do that while preventing the suffering and death of animals then why not do it?

>>42036771
>100g of whole chicken has 20g of protein and over 10g of fat
Where are you getting your misinformation?

100g of breast is 30.9g of protein, 4.5g of fat.
Even the thigh which is the fattiest cut has 27.7g pro, 6g fat

>>42036865
Literally(LITERALLY) from nutritional labels online.

>100g of breast
So now we're talking about chicken breast again?
Because I seem to recall you mentioning whole chicken because it is cheaper than chicken breast.
Chicken breast has more protein per weight than whole bread but per £ of chicken breast you only get 38g of protein, while in cheap whole bread you get 180g of protein per £.
Whole chicken is cheaper than chicken breast, but it still loses to wheat bread or lentils.

Whole chicken has around 13g of fat per 100g and 20g of protein per 100g.
Raw lentils have around 25g of protein per 100g and 60g of carbs(or 30g if you don't account for the fiber content) per 100g.
Raw lentils have 158g of protein per £.
Chicken Breast has 38g of protein per £.
Whole chicken has 100g of protein per £.
Whole bread has 180g of protein per £.

The only aspect in which chicken is possibly superior is protein content per caloric content.

>>42036771
Like I said, your stores suck. You pay 2x for chicken what we do in the US.

Spaghetti, Lentils and your cheap bread are more cost effective, but it's not by much. If you get 100g of protein from each, you will spend $82.50 in a month on chicken vs $21.30 for your bread. That$60 difference is less than a day's work for most people and doesn't override the calorie issue:

Getting 100g of protein from chicken is only 461 calories. You can then fill the rest of it with other foods to fit your macros and nutrient needs like veggies, healthy fats, etc.

Meanwhile, that 100g of protein you get from bread is around 2000 calories. Even if you're bulking on 3000 calories/day, that's a huge chunk of your calorif budget.

Finally, 100g of protein from bread is 21 slices vs 1 chicken breast. The weight might not be a lot different, but the volume is definitely a big difference.

>>42036933
>calories don't matter, /fit/
Is this the true power of v*ganism?

>>42036951
>Finally, 100g of protein from bread is 21 slices vs 1 chicken breast. The weight might not be a lot different, but the volume is definitely a big difference.

Nowhere in my posts did I recommend getting all your protein from a single source, it is more than doable, but completely unnecessary.
But if you want to entertain this notion then why not get all the protein from lentils instead?
300g of raw lentils have 76g of protein, that's a single meal, and that's less than 1000-1100 calories.
300g is less than 2 coffee cups.

You can also get your protein from mostly protein sources like protein powders( which cost the same regardless if they're animal or plant based) if you're autistic about getting most of your calories from protein for whatever reason.

>>42037025
>somebody on /fit/ doesn't care about how much protein you get
>thinks "all your protein" in a daily basis is <100g
either dyel or terrible troll. can't tell. probably both

>>42036859
yes, the only useful takeaway I've found from veganism is that 1 lb of meat per week is a good limit, even that's a bit high (3 hamburgers weekly)

everything else about being concerned with "non-human animals" and "calling myself" anything is irrelevant

the vegans who only eat whole grains, produce, and legumes are all gonna make it, but the effort is misdirected imo even if the result is favorable

the vegans who pick the oreo frappucino vs. the snickers one because it doesn't contain crustaceans are not gonna make it

>>42037058
Trust me, I look better than you.
See >>42036771

>somebody on /fit/ doesn't care about how much protein you get
Nice strawman, I care about how much protein I get from my diet, which is why I eat around 800-900g of lentils in raw weight, giving me more than 250g of protein from lentils alone, around 75g in each meal.

>b-but what about the protein:calories ratio
Then eat less? Honestly if you think you need that much protein in the first place you got another thing coming.

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>>42037108
You still haven't proven you built muscle solely off a vegan diet and naturally