Tell me again why I shouldn't drink cows milk if I wanna get big?

>>42020772
You need bull milk
>look at those bawls

>>42020772
you would't let a cow suckle your woman's tit, would you?

>>42020779
>like I give a shit that cows are raped and slaughtered

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>>42020779
>The milk industry is driven by money

No shit, that's what a fucking industry is for

>>42020783
You don't know what I'm into.

>>42020779
that made me thirsty for milk

>>42020783
change the word cow to bull and this thread blows wide open

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>>42020779
PETA

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>>42020779
terrible arguments.
>milk industry is driven by cash

NO SHIT LOL

>>42020864
shit, lemme jot that down in my meme-ing notebook

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>>42020779
>worry there's some undisclosed side effects of milk
>play
>just a load of superficial tree hugging vegan faggots trying to rob my gains
wew you guys really had me going for a second

>>42021099

are you a baby cow though?

DIDNT THINK SO...

checkmate

>>42020772
The best argument against milk ive heard is that the antibiotics they shoot the cows with boost estrogen.

>>42020772
>>42021099
Milk contains estrogen, it literally comes from a lactaring female mammal
How this faggot board is drinking milk by the gallon but is afraid of the fucking soy boogeyman I'll never wrap my head around

>>42021168

we eat 500gm of cabbage a day to counter the estrogen you plean

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>>42020779
This is satire.
>Are you a baby cow? Didn't think so
Mein sides

>>42020779
>peta
Even lefties hate them now

>>42021182
Yeah, that's exactly how the body works, you download an antivirus and problem solved

>>42021099
This. I was hundred percent on board with considering never consuming dairy again. That webm made me drink an ice cold 32 ounce peanut butter milk blend.

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>>42021168
The high protein content of milk makes it a great food for building muscle. It provides both soluble and insoluble protein which are more commonly known as whey and casein.

Whey is a great source of BCAAs and increases protein metabolism quickly. These protein building blocks are key to stimulating muscle protein synthesis [2]. Leucine – the most abundant BCAA found in the food – directly initiates the early cellular process of muscle building.

The other protein found in milk, casein, improves overnight recovery and protein metabolism. This means you’ll regenerate more protein cells throughout the night [3]. It digests much slower which means it provides a much more sustained release of BCAAs throughout the night.

Both of these groups of proteins are excellent quality, with good digestibility and a high proportion of essential amino acids.

>>42020772
female cows lactate all the time and produce ungodly amount of (female) hormones that end up in the milk which you then consume. if you want a big ass, decreased muscle mass and gyno - enjoy!

>>42020779
> cows are routinely raped
Kek no. When they're in heat they don't stfu until you breed them. They literally beg you to do it

> t. Dairy worker

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>>42021300
All those words, and all you said was misleading dairy shill propaganda. For the rest of the thread some cold hard facts, courtesy of my autism

>>42020779
>>>/facebook/

>>42020779
>Dairy causes acne
>Source: US Dept. of Health
Yeah, that's not true

>>42021555
Dairy has estrogen
Estrogen causes hormone imbalances
One cause of acne may be hormonal imbalances
=>
Dairy can cause acne

>>42021572
source: your ass

>>42021320
Chicks love big asses

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>>42020779
what are they bloody supposed to do with the cows if they don't slaughter them. Give them a viking funeral??

>>42021345
How deep do you fist them?

>>42021578
...and the US Dept of Health
Some of you people behave like literal flatearthers

>>42020772
what i find funny is when people who are fat insist on drinking whole milk because its "that real stuff not that pussy shit"

Its produced for the purpose of a baby cow to triple in weight in the course of a few months. Not for fatties that dont leave the house all day

>>42020772
>ITT: normies and pseuds that think Hormone supplements can be taken orally.

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>>42020779
I'm still trying to figure out if this is satire or not

>>42021168
Of you're white or Indian you've evolved to handle whatever milk can throw at you. Your male ancestors wouldn't have been able to find a mate to breed if the milk gave them unappealing yet supple breasts, nor if it made their dick stop working.

>>42022621
>Your male ancestors
So you're not even hiding that you're a kike, yeah?

>>42022628
If the estrogen gave your female ancestors huge fucking titties, I don't think it would hurt their chances, moron.

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>>42021804

>implying the earth isn't flat.

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>>42021463
>2%

>>42022628
>kike
can you explain?

>>42022734
That was me giving cow milk a headstart since whole milk has even less protein per 100 kcal

>>42022752
Sweet source you got there

>>42020779
>that one dude going deep in the cows asshole
wew it was a little too close to home
don't be a dairy farmer lads, its not worth it

>>42022764
cronometer.com
fag

>>42020772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWKNOxj5Ag

>>42020779
we really shouldn't be drinking cow's milk

we should be drinking breast milk instead

>>42021804
Please show me where the US Dept of Health has ever indicated that Dairy causes Acne. Please. Because they haven't ever done so. Maybe it does, but there has never been a study that actually proves it so any proof you're claiming exists, unless you can show it to me, I guarantee doesn't exist.

>>42022924
We should be cloning human breasts that renewably dispense milk. Possibly sold as a home appliance.

>>42022600
What I fucking hate about PETA and Vegans is that regardless of your diet there are serious health and ethical issues with our dairy and meat but no one will take them serious because of those fucks.

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>>42022974
>that first nip of the day

>>42021300
I would suck the milk out of Tay Tay and Selena's tits

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>>42020779
>milk is for babies
>are you a baby cow?
>DIDN'T THINK SO...
wtf I hate milk now

>>42020772
>>42020779

BULLWORTH eats GRASS PELLETS and bangs BETSY while YOU drink MILK like a CALF and get HAND RAPED

>>42021463
So milk has the most balanced amino profile?

>>42021785
Deep enough to be able to feel the end of the vaginal cavity. The last thing you want to do is miss and waste hundreds of dollars worth of bull sperm

>>42023046
kek

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>>42021168
you fags should all check how many foods contain estrogen and how it does fucking nothing to your system

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>>42021159
>>42021168
>>42021320

Where did this meme come from?

Milk is straight up recommended by nutritionists and health professions for muscle and bone growth.

>>42020779
>tfw drink a ton of milk and have awful acne
i've tried cutting milk out of my diet for a month before and it had no effect, but i can't help but wonder if it's the root cause

>>42024075
how old are you?

>>42020779
Is this a satire? Or are the almond merchants behind this?

>>42020772
C'mooo-n, 4 teets!

>>42024075
Wash your pillow case more often

>>42021572
>>42024075
Acne is bacterial thing, hormone imbalance can make your skin produce staff for bacteria to fed on, that why dermatologist give antibiotics
After i stoped taking antibiotics acne returned, I tried different diets, including no dairy, other meme thing also didn't help
But finally I have found something that helped me, search or ask for
Benzoylis peroxidum
Acidum azelaicum

>>42024638
did you take antibiotics just for acne??

>>42021192
I'm not informed about this, what did they do?

>>42024673
Psh waht of it bro, don't like the wondercure for everything?
>puts antibiotics in animal food to make them more resilient to disease in the short term
Eat up, bro, from a HEALTHY animal!
>gets antibiotics for a mild cough
Come on bro, hop on the train!
>30 years later antibiotic resistant diseases have managed to spread to almost all places in the world and only the emergency reserves of extremely powerful antibiotics are strong enough to treat any of it

>>42020779
The only coherent argument was the acne one.

>>42024715
Isnt it that YOUR body becomes more resistant to antibiotics making them less effective, rather than the diseases becoming resistant?

I've taken an antibiotic cure once in my life, we dont abuse antibiotics on our animals in my country, at least we dont at our farm...

Im well off, I hope

>>42024715
>>42024839

nevermind
>Antibiotic resistance occurs when bacteria change in a way that reduces the effectiveness of drugs, chemicals, or other agents designed to cure or prevent infections. The bacteria survive and continue to multiply, causing more harm.

>>42024839
Nope. Its only the bacteria that grow resistant. Not you. Because we are retarded and put antibiotics everywhere and use them irresponsibly.

>>42024673
Yeah, dermatologist prescribed me Tetralysal ( Lymecyclinum), it's antibiotic you take it for like 6 months or more, but like 1.5 month after treatment ended ace returned, I got another antibiotic prescribed, I don't remember name, and guess what results where the same

>>42024876
Your dermatologist should be shot in the head for letting that shit happen.

>>42024876
Get a different dermatologist

>>42024884
If it only was one, after those 'treatments' i went to different one, she was shocked that antibiotics did not work. Maybe it is just my town, maybe it just whole post-commie block that is incompetent or maybe it (((them)))

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>>42021159
>>42021168
>>42021320 >http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/

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solution

>>42023111

Are you arguing that anyone anywhere is gonna notice any quantifiable difference with the different amino acid ratios? even if you eat nothing but the daily recommended ammount of protein which is around 50-65g a dayyou will get all your essential amino acids regardless of protein source.

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>>42024979

>>42020772
Because there's mammalian estrogen in it.

>>42024050
>Milk is straight up recommended by nutritionists and health professions for muscle and bone growth.
Those are all paid for by the dairy industry.

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>>42025312
>research
>"could be"

could be that this research is invalid

>>42020779
>Still drinking milk?
Yea
>Here are the facts:
Oh boy
>Dairy products cause acne
There seems to be a correlation and most dermatologists agree and personal experiences show similar trends but why should I care about statistics that don't affect me? I don't have acne.
>Milk is for babies
Appeal to nature fallacy
>Milk isn't actually a very good source of calcium
But it's a decent source and that's not really why I drink it.
>The milk industry is driven by money
Remind me again, which industry isn't?
>Cows are routinely raped and they all end up slaughtered
Yeah, that's called breeding. They taste great so you can bet your ass we will keep on breeding, slaughtering and eating them.

>>42025445
The term "could be" is only used in the context of the possibility of dairy consumption causing genital growth issues in children.
What is actually not refuteable is the hormonal effect dairy consumption has in humans regardless of age and sex.

>The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was surpressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion.
There's no "could be" here, it's a fact.

>>42021463
>6.6g protein for cows milk
>0.6g leucine in 6.6g of protein
>9.6g protein in soy milk
>0.8g leucine in 9.6g of protein

And now to match them based on the same amount of protein.
>10g protein in cows milk
>0.91g leucine
>10g protein in soy milk
>0.83g leucine

The only way to make it look like soy has the better protein profile, is if you misrepresent the data. Basing your calculations on amount of leucine per 100 calories when you chose 2% milk is dishonest. You could chose 1% or skim and suddenly the results would look vastly different.

>per 100 calories skim milk
>10.6g protein
>0.96g leucine

>>42025505
>Skim
>Milk
Pick one

>>42025481
its still a study made on wooping 18 most likely japanese ppl.
thats not more valid than me saying "i smoked 30 years and didnt get cancer therefore tabacco dont contain carcinogenes"

>>42020772
Because the macros are terrible?

>>42025613

Ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to the hormone secretion and response to dietary hormones.
It's far more valid than whatever self anecdotal "evidence" or bullshit madeup story by some anon online.

>>42025613
Sample size affects correlation/statistics studies, like "we asked 18 nips if they drink milk, they said yes, we asked them if they have prostate cancer, they said yes/no"
Studies that examine mechanics at work can get away with smaller sample sizes
The only flaw this study has is that there was no control group as far as I can tell (18 other nips who didn't drink milk or the same nips drinking 3 months and not drinking for the next 3 months)

>>42025769
not talking about them being japanese.
but a study on less then a few hundred ppl? widespread mixed ethnic and age, gender, cultural and diatary differences?

comeon....
that shows nothing

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>>42020779
>THIS DISINFORMATION
>THESE NON-ARGUMENTS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>42020779

I'm not a baby almond or rice either...

>>42025796
>study on less than a few hundred ppl

Although I do understand what you're coming from the number of subjects in this study is irrelevant considering every single one of them had a controlled and confirmed milk intake on a daily basis.
In fact the more people involved in this type of study the more diluted the results get because more people = harder to control for their actual intake and higher chances of finding people with genetic anomalies who have suppressed hormonal secretion/imbalance in the first place due to either genetics, disease, overall diet or inactivity/lifestyle.
Reason why meta analysis fails to find a strong link between dietary cholesterol and increase in cholesterol levels in the blood, because of the huge ammount of subjects in each individual study in the analysis.

But regardless, what this study finds is that clearly there is a response(not a correlation, but an actual response in every single subject) that milk consumption suppressed testosterone secretion and mammal estrogen absorption.

The female subjects also had their ovulation periods affected by the hormones in the milk.

>>42020779
>The milk industry is driven by money
>people work to earn their livelihood
Astonishing, but how can you be so sure I'm not a baby cow posting on /fit/?

>>42025957

*and mammal estrogen absorption was present.

>>42020779
>milk causes acne
First claim and already it's wrong. Acne is a genetic disease, fat just exacerbates the outbreak. Nobody in my family has acne, despite milk being a regular part of our diet.

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>>42020779
>cows are routinely raped
wew lad

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>>42026010

>>42026010
>>42026019
Japan is a magical degenerate land.

MILK GOOOD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvw_gOuCCX4

>>42025957
you have a point i give you that.

but still.
saying a study on more subject is more diluted therefore a study on less subjects is better is not right in my opinion.

it maybe less diluted but less usable on the majority on ppl too.

in this study it showed that 80% of the female subjects had theyr ovulation while drinking cow milk.

so it states 80% of all woman who drink cow milk get theyr ovulation?

unrealistic cause females can see when they get theyr ovulation and i never heared someone tell her friend "damn i got my milk ovulation again. have to cut back on that.

even more im interessted in what "cow milk" is in theyr term.what is "normal cow milk"?

>>42025608
Skim milk with the all the fat swimming on top, is actually how milk naturally parts. Only through the process of homogenization are we able to get 1%, 2,% or 3% milk, otherwise you'd have to shake your milk every time before drinking it to get a somewhat consistent texture.

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>>42020779
>>42020779
is the cow shitting on him

>>42026019
That's a bull(female)

>>42026150
The best kind of bovine.

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>>42026101
Just gotta shake 'em tiddies up first.

>>42026101
Yeah, but what is marketed as skimmed milk has nothing to do with the milk that is separated from its fat
Skim milk is homogenized, then defatted, then it's just water, sugar and protein, no emulsion, so it turns transparent, then they literally paint it white
Skim milk is not milk

>>42020779
>cows get raped
jelly desu

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>>42020779

i would try rice/almond/etc milk, but it tastes awful with coffee and tea. is there a decent substitute?

>>42026245

coconut milk tastes good with coffee and tea
personally I think almond milk does too

>>42026245
rice/almond/soy etc. milk is also expensive as all hell. I can get 2 liters of milk for 1€, half a liter of soy milk for 3€ or half a liter of almond milk for 4€.

>>42026245
rice and almond are shit, watery taste and zero protein. soy milk is where it's at

>>42026270
Where the hell do you live
I live in a semi 3rd world shithole with no almost vegan exclusive options like mock meats, tofu, tempeh, seitan etc but the milks are very normal, there's like 1.10 e for the cheapest cow milk and 1.70 e for soy milk, both per liter. And that's the very cheapest cow milk, some brands go up to 1.90e/L

>>42026295
Germany, in a city surrounded by fields and pastures. Admittedly, we have a significant problem with dumping prices on milk, because we produce so god damn much even without the use of battery farms. I would be more than willing to pay 50% to 100% more on milk to help the farmers.
Currently one liter of whole milk is 53 cents.

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>>42026063

>>42020779
>peta
Dropped.