/fraud/

>>42005454
First for oral only cycles are retarded and you're a retard for asking about them.

>also lolis suck

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second for
>roiding for this

>>42005518
there's no way that guy is on roids

maybe week 1

what do you guys think about rest times between sets?

i read that 1:00-1:30 is optimal for "hypertrophy" but if I do that I can pump out like 16-20 sets, a full workout, in around less than 40 mins.

doesn't seem right

This is the first cycle where my sex drive is super low. Started off beastly then it dropped off horrendously tren 100mg q day test cry 300 q other day caber .25 twice a week arimidex q other day

>>42005550
week 1.5
100mg of dbol ed + 1200mg test

>>42005550
wait people take steroids that look like that? shouldnt you be at your natty limit or at least have 5-6 years of training under your belt first?

>>42005550
There are plenty of people who only start lifting when they are on gear. Some start even worse than that.

>>42005673
How far into the cycle are you, and do you have recent bloodwork?

>>42005657
If you're on gear that's nowhere near enough volume.

>>42005673
did you switch to a new vial maybe the new vial is underdosed or bunk, have your estrogen sides increased?

>>42005810
Thats retarded

>>42005858
I went from prop to cry a couple weeks in since I started the cycle with my left over gear from a year ago. Labs say it's legit since my free test is greater than whatever the max value was as in far and above. Drop in sex drive happened like 3rd week into it this is before I switched from prop to cry

>>42005810
gear enhances your response to stimuli. The same workout becomes more effective. You can also increase your workout.

>>42005905
Gear also makes it easier to fuck fat chicks, but that doesn't mean you have to keep banging whales when you look like zyzz. If you can workout harder, you should.

>>42005680
this guy has trained 4 years

best peptides or sterons for collagen production?
+ for ones that are inexpensive

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guy from my gym. is he on roids?

>>42006464
probably

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>>42006343

i'd kms

although his definition of training probably isn't the same as mine

tfw went from skinnyfat twink to looking like I barely lift and all the normies are saying how huge I look after a month of tren

Test,tren,mast,deca,winny and sdrol. Any other roid worth a try?

Getting interested in a peptide for joints/growth.

Lead me fraud.

How do you store your ai after you cut the pill? Is it ok if it's kind of in the open (in blister with broken seal) for 3 days before i pop it? Or do i to take precautions while storing other half of the pill?

>>42006841
Keep away from moisture, light, etc.

>DL 365
>squat 365
>shoulder press 145
>bench 225

all for 6 reps

how long and how many cycles will it take for me to reach this

>DL 500
>squat 450
>shoulder press 240
>bench 340

>>42006841
I have this this tiny shallow tin that used to store mints that I'll save cut up pills in.

How is everyone doing tonight?

>>42007051
>How is everyone doing tonight?
Its 16hs famalam

>>42007051
doing good. You?

>>42007294
Not over here.

>>42007304
Great actually.

New batch of vials just came in the mail.

>>42007325
Mine come in tomorrow.

>gitty

>>42005454
>ABSOLUTELY NO SOURCE TALK

Understood, but how would one go about meeting a seller? I'm interested in test but I have no idea where to get it. (Illegal in my country)

>>42007372
I like getting my gear in the mail.
I've got vials ready for the coming planned year right now.
No more ordering now though.

>>42006830
Bpc-157 is magic for joints. I also do cjc 1295 no dac along with ipam.

Shit is cheap as fuck and easy to use. I pin both twice a day. One in the morning when I wake up and once after I workout
Look it up on leddit, they have a decent wiki there from what I can tell.

>>42007385
What country?

>>42007385
is steroidsourcetalk is your think its probably better to go to reddit if you r wanting steroidsourcetalk

>>42007046
>The Press 240
Everything else could probably be done in a under 2 years but a strict 240lb press is strong as fuck.
Took me three years of total training to reach:
Bench 315
Squat 420
Deadlift 520
Press 185
At a bodyweight of ~185. I fucked around with bullshit programming for a long period of that time though.

>>42007449
how many cycles?

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So I'm thinking of switching my AI from arimidex to aromasin, aromasin is just a bit easier for me to get.

If i switch do I have to stack more aromasin in the begining since arimidex has a rebound effect?

I'm running 300mg/wk test E and I am taking .5mg arimidex eod.

>>42007456
I don't cycle. Ive mostly cruised on 250test per week. Been on it for 2 years though

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Getting small as Fuck on 150mg a week of cyp going to add in 50mg of adrol a day and see what I get from it.

>>42007410
NL

>>42007465
What do you look like?
Not to go full >roiding for this ,just genuinely curious.
2 years on mostly a cruise with those results is pretty good.

I've been cruising and blasting for almost a year and manage to do 120kg for 3 reps now.

>>42007501
NL is the easiest (I'm a dutchy)
Internet is your best bet, plenty of sources. Just keep googling forums.

>>42007461
no way, thats a shortcut to crash city

>>42007525
Pls elaborate

>>42007550
>no source talk

Sorry man, just do your research, I found my first online source in less then 4 hours of searching and making sure its legit.

>>42007550
man like this >>42007433 guy said if you are wanting steroidsourcetalk you are probably better off going to reddit

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>>42007511
I've posted before. I think you asked me how tall I was. I'm 5'8 turbo manlet status

>>42007489
Getting smaller? Fuck you mean?

>>42007395
I have enough Test E to last a year.

Working on ordering small amounts of Tren to build up for something this fall.

>>42007620
I've seen that pic yeah, still mirin.

Didn't ask, briefly scrolled over and stopped to look for a second when still lurking.

What were your blasts like?

>>42007620
mirin paraplegic calves

>>42007402
thanks!

>>42007656
Oh boy I have around 30 vials of unused test sitting around right now.
I line all my gear up from time to time, count and based on what I've got I'll order more.

>>42007567
Did you test and confirm the contents of the product? If so how? thanks

>>42007690
I confirmed I had a legit source from reviews/opinions and same goes for the product really.

In the end I ordered, stuck the needle in my ass and never looked back.

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A grill did me a draw

>>42007728
even the best bathtub lab has a bad batch. if youre mid cycle and you cant get a blood test youll be able to tell within a week if youve got bunk gear. Your estrogen sides will start to get bigger

>>42007758
True. But I can always switch batches and hope for the best, contact source and let them know I've got bunk shit.

>>42007796
weve all been fucked man dont let it bother you too much. I bought 4 vials worth of olive oil once from a source in desperation after my original lab got busted along with his girlfriend on a murder rap

>>42007812
No I mean I have multiple batches at home.

>not having multiple sources and brands
I'll handle a lab going down just fine

>>42007840
im restricted by the country I live in, there is 1 public source that isn't selling junk and 2 private labs, one of which had a bad batch last run in June

>>42007620
I want to >roiding for this
but right now im roid for something similar but im so much farther.

>>42007852
Damn man, I'm actually somewhat scared of the idea being limited in my demands and running out one day.
I have enough pct on hand to hop off twice.

If I'm running a trt dose for a long time and I have to get off for some hypothetical reason (like maybe getting deployed), is PCT necessary? Something like Nolva 40/40/20/20 for a month and clean afterwards until I hop on again? Provided I have a couple blast under me between cruises

>>42007944
Why it would not be?

>>42007944
travel in uniform, take it with you

>>42007852
Canada?

>>42007645
Losing weight like crazy when I lowered the test, waking up at 150lbs now.

>>42008018
If I knew for sure I could sneak it on a MEU with me without being searched or whatever I'd definitely fucking do it.

>>42008014
You're right, that was a dumb question.
>tfw want to blast and cruise for life worry free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sxgC_wDNfI

For those of you who want to learn the most you can about nutrition. It's long, but it's very good information. It's an old video, so I'm not sure how many people have seen it.

Maybe someone here can watch this and actually stop looking natty while juicing.

>>42008064
Is there a tl;dr version of this?

>>42008027
yase

Christ I'm fucking retarded. I didn't get a chance to invite this girl over for the 4th at work and I don't have her number.

Should I ask a bro to give her my number tomorrow or should I put my number in her work locker?

>>42008108
IS that related to fitness or ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEORIES (AAS-also known as sterois or juice or anaboliceds)

>>42008118
We'll I'm on a ton of tren so I blame that for my mental degradation.

>>42008108
ask a bro, sack up son

>>42008128
>We'll I'm on a ton of tren so I blame that for my mental degradation.
Now it's /fraud/ related. Yeah bro go for it what do you have to lose? If you can get her number and hit her up. Slipping your number in her locker is kind of lame, and asking your bro to give her your number doesn't guarantee a response

>>42008086

The basics:

Eat a higher number of smaller meals (maybe eight), distributing 1.5-2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight at least somewhat evenly. Eat minimal fats. Fill the rest of what you need with carbs, complex in the morning and simple during/after training (ideally alongside fast proteins like whey).
Vary protein sources, don't just eat chicken eight times per day.

There's a TON more information in there, obviously, but that's probably the stuff you'll care about off the top of my head.

Don't be a little bitch, watch it.

>>42008135
I don't have a problem asking a bro to give it to her but it seems like It'd be better to leave it in her locker which she'd see tomorrow and probably embarrass her less.

>>42008128
hey man you know thats not good for your

my moms a nerse

>>42008152
Aight thanks man, watching it now.
Kind of interesting hearing about small meals again ever since people started going crazy about fasting and all that shit

>>42008151
>what do you have to lose
Nothing. I'm not scared to ask her or give her my number. Just feels impersonal and kinda like a cop out to give it through a bro versus leaving it in her locker.

>>42008155
MmKay. Tell you mom I need a full physical and a testicular exam.

>>42007735
kek

>>42008153
you know her personality better than i do obviously. if shes the type that would be embarassed by a guy asking for her number, go to

>>42007449
Your ohp is disproportionate to your other lifts.

I ohp 195 strict when I was benching 255x2 and diddly 425

Then again I love ohp and train the fuck out of it when I can. I want 315 strict one day before I die.

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>>42008057
>Tfw can't permablast without serious health consequences
Life sucks senpai

Will they grow my penis currently at 7 inches long 2 inches wide, 6 inch around. Every porn is rocking 10-12 inchers like mandingo will steroids get me to that size?

>>42008152
Thats retarded

>>42008234
She's kinda reserved so she probably would be. I'd rather keep it kinda low key too since it's work but she is quitting soon.

>>42008307
Just cruise on 250mg test and 500mg tren for life man

>>42008307
Well you're going to get sick and die eventually anyway.

I figure I don't really care to live to 70-80+, and be broken and sore all day. Slowly losing my mind further and further.

Instead I die quickly of a heart attack in my 50-60s

>tfw first sdrol cap of a 6 weeks liver suicide gaind
>tfw back to tren in a few hours
>tfw back to gym

Feels good

Shot in the dark here but is there a difference in the effects on blood pressure between HIIT and LISS?

I prefer HIIT cardio because treadmills and bikes bore the shit out of me. But my bp seems to be unresponsive even though my cardio in general is far better after a few weeks ending each lifting session with 10-15 minite session of HIIT

>>42005678
So basically, not on roids yet. Maybe some bloat.

What one word term would you use to compliment your waifu?

Something like amazing or less common like radiant?

>>42006464
with those cannonball delts? most likely

tell him to train calves while you're there

>inb4 muuhhh calves are this small bcuz of genetics

no

>>42007620
>roiding for that toothpick calves

train then you fucking faggot

how many sets do you guys do per workout and how long does it take?

>>42009456
An hour every day

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How much can I improve my cutting if I start taking Clen and Anavar..?

how dumb to get those 2 stacked together?

>>42009518
>taking clen
Por que?

>>42009521
because Im fucking tired of cutting, I wanna bulk forever

>>42009547
Dnp

>>42009557
Yeah I know that drug but I wanna keep it as a very last resort, my homeplace is always 30+C and that doesnt help

>>42009570
Cycle anavar and trt test e for 10 weeks, you'll end your cut with your dream body. Var is great for abdominal fatloss and superficial fat loss too, so you will get face gains

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here's some cringe for you fellas.
fresh off my facefeed newsbook.

>>42009685
thanks m8 Im looking for some alternatives for when I run out of Yohimbine

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>>42009720

>>42009720
>>42009749
tl;dr stop that shit

>>42009720
>>42009749
hey can you please post more phone screenshots of text? please do that okay

we don't have enough of that on 4chan, can you please post some phone screenshots? please, thanks.

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>>42009814

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>>42009814
here

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>>42009814
you're lucky, I'm feeling generous today.

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>>42009814
because I LOVE you

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>>42009890
more of you favorite

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I'm going to bed lads, I'm wishing you all sweet dreams when you go to sleep. Wish me good dreams as well.

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>>42009903
>micro-aggression
I thought until now that these kind of people were just memes.
holy shit

Will oral steroids ever be fixed?

>>42009906
sweet dreams, recover well fraud anon

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>>42009814

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>>42009814
stuff of dreams

>>42009935
>>42009945
you realize you're more autistic than the people in your memebook screenshots right

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>>42009814
because I care

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>>42009954
memebook facefeed.

>>42009923
as in not hepatoxic? probably not, to survive being broken down by the liver they are inherently harsh on it
A fair few are available as injectables though. I love winstrol and I'm thinking a might try a vial with my next order.

>>42009916
this looks like a couple people being sarcastic and having fun about PC culture more than anything

>a woman that was a pillar of strength and wonder

yea these guys are joking around

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>>42009954
oh

Just got started on 30mg ED Ostarine and 20mg ED Cardarine.

What should I expect?

>pls no "just inject test" it's not an option in my profession

>>42010014
>Anton beep boop

>>42009991
Some lean gains.

what are all these pictures?
Like, do you expect me to read that shit?
What happened to this thread?

>>42010299
That's what I expect but I was hoping if anyone here had experience with SARMs solo or some more information to provide.

I get that I won't see humongous gains even like a small test cycle but I'd like some expectations from /fit/. I've seen plenty on reddit and other sources.

>>42010334
we used to daily blog and occasionally talk about steroids. now its just shitposting and crusader being the opposite of a templar knight

>>42009383
Feminine

>>42010482
I bet she looked real feminine taking other dicks during your break

My blogging is 10x better than whatever the fuck this thread turned into.

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>>42010497
Post your diary, you said that if you returned with your gf you would post it

>>42010539
Oh yeah. On mobile currently. Will do it after I finish work

T400 was a terrible idea for first cycle. Pips r insane

>>42010545
RIP quad. Bet it was worth saving that money huh

>>42010545
>T400
Why does this exist?

>>42010560
I only got it cus my monster friend told me to go with it.

>>42010774
Whoops. Shouldve asked anons on they web. If you are super cheap i.e me you can get a 20ml vial precrimped online and cut the t400 with whatever carrier oil they put it in. You dilute the t400 down. Worst case scenario you destroy a vial of gear which would otherwise cripple you. An actual brewer may be able to correct me or add to this.

>>42010545
measure out 4 grams of sugar and 10 ml of olive oil, thats why it hurts so much

>>42007735
CHEM, what was the iced coffe or someething that you drank on your binges to keep weight?

Recently had a degenerate binge with no self control.
Lost 3KG from not eating enough.

Need the name so i can get it if there is a next time degenerate binge.

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>>42010854

>>42010854
iirc he was drinking chocolate milk

>>42010906
>>42010910
Thanks! Will keep in mind if i fail again.

It had been so long since the last one haha.

How are you going with staying off?

>>42010947
>How are you going with staying off?

Currently day 5 of Benzo WD right now.

Not fun m8

>>42010966
Definitely not a good time.

It will get better/dont give up/you can do it and all that shit, but for real, good luck, and best wishes for that shit.

>>42010337
Expect to be left down and to give up and order some test.

T. Someone who tried sarms and jumped on test halfway through my cycle.

Does HGH make your intestines grow?

>>42010966
bro i know that feeling. struggling with benzos right now. thing is it takes so long to get off of it and recover but i feel god awful when i stop. after just a few days i start back on it again. not sure how to deal with my real anxiety and withdrawl anxiety combined

>>42011137
Please do some research on how HGH works, and dending on amount you wish to take
Plus what you would like to believe.

the huge belly at 4% bodyfat discussion most people attribute to 20IU HGH a day, but it is also because in combination with insulin and ridiculous amounts of food that it grows.

On what most people would be able to afford of GH you wont see much difference let alone any significant growth in internal organs

>>42010966
Iktfb

>tfw a fun weekend is candyflipping alone
>recently started doing whippits
>tfw just want to destroy my brain chasing the purple dragon

Maybe if I get some tren in me and get bigger I'll feel better

>>42009923
tfw dont get liver issues without tudca on even sdrol.

Anyway LGD3303 is starting to become a bit more common among vendors, its supposedly much stronger than 4033, plus shorter half life like anadrol etc. Perhaps this will be it, we will see.

>>42011010
>>42011174
>>42011196

Bar none worst and longest WD's from any substance. I've now withdrawn from opiates, stimulants, and benzos.

Is anavar the safest steroid ? Been reading up on it

>minimal side affects.
>barely affects liver.

It's an oral from what I read but do they have an IV version that would be safer for the liver ?

>>42011437
EQ is probably the safest by those criteria

>>42011318
benzo withdraw can kill you if you have sever seizures i tihnk

>>42011318
how do you get addicted to benzos anyways?
I took 2 xanax to sleep a few days ago because I pinched a nerve or something, had no painkillers and needed to sleep.
All I felt was being slow, tired and really hung over the next day.
Nothing fun at all.

What ever happened with Chem and FL?

>>42011565

>Have script for ADHD meds and Ambien
>Don't fill them for 2 months
>Go back, get a new Doc, old one on maternity leave
>New Doc says I only get to go back on one med at a time, gives me ADHD meds with no sleeping meds
>Buy Etizolam to help me come down and sleep at night
>Take it every night for 2 months
>Decide probably a bad idea, flush it all
>Next day, end up in ER with RHR of 144BPM full panic attack mode
>Go back to Doc, get put on Valium taper
>Doing good, started at 20mg ED, tapered 2.5mg every week or two, down to 10mg ED
>Freak out one night and take a handful of Valium
>Week short on script
>Can't tell my Doc this
>Guess my taper is over now and I'm just going to withdraw instead

fml

>>42011437
Anavar is usually not that great for most peoples goals. You want to put on mass/size? Dont bother with anavar.

I find anadrol to have minimal noticeable side effects - even my blood pressure isnt higher than it is on the same dose of test (small increase over baseline) unlike dbol which skyrockets it.

Id suggest LGD over Anavar to be honest.

>>42011630
>cant tell your doc that
why not

I can't wait for this "lgd is better than anavar" meme to catch on, it's got a lot of potential

>>42011654

For a few reasons.

One, the clinic I go to is constantly booked, and so scheduling in an appointment usually takes a week or two minimum, by which time I'd already be done and over with the worst of the withdrawals.

Two, I have a very delicate and unique relationship with my Doc, where I'm completely open and honest and in return I get essentially whatever meds, in whatever dose, I ask for. I have a background in Medicinal Chemistry/Pharmacology and so my Doc speaks to me like a colleague.

I'm working on getting upped to the max prescribable dosage of 60mg Dexedrine ED. I can't come off as drug-seeking/junkie-ish or it's going to fuck everything up with this Doc. So I can't tell her I fucked up the taper and took too many. I already told her I take 5-10mg a day more of my Dexedrine usually than I'm prescribed.

Going to go to gfs and she's gonna pin me

I love monogamy

THESE THREADS ARE FUCKING WHACK SINCE OLIVE OIL ANON LEFT

>>42011630
You can't get some non-prescription valium? Even in australia we have a source who stocks it

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How often should I take adex on 500 my of test? I have 1 mg capsules.

Should I start after my first pin, or a couple weeks in?

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Is there a /fraud/ discord?

>>42011781

I could get some right now, I have like 20mg on hand for super super emergencies but I'm already 5 days in. I'm not sure if it would be better to do something like 2.5mg a day until I go back for my next refill and pick up where I left off, and not feel horrible rn. Or just try to hop off completely now, and be done with it.

I'm tempted to get some and do 2.5-5.0mg a day but have been holding back.

I really don't want to be on them. They're only nice for emergencies or comedowns.

>>42011785
You should wait until you start expressing high estro sides.

Then 0.25mg ED. If that doesn't work then up in 0.25 increments. If it does work, you can move to.0.25mg EoD and if that works E3D.

Good fucking luck doing this with caps.

>>42011700
LGD is pretty decent, its just the price (even the raw price arond $40-$50 a gram from suppliers, unless youre buying bulk directly from mr chinaman) is pretty steep.

But when you stack that against anavar tabs, anavar becomes more expensive and LGD is better at building mass which is what most people want.

I mean they could just use anadrol.. but you can still take LGD on top of that for your whole cycle or blast, not just 4-6 weeks standard oral length.

>>42011809
>open capsule, mix with liquid like juice, drink 1/4.

>>42011802
Idk man. You know a fuck ton more than anybody else on this board, so just pretend you're advising someone else in your situation.

>>42011437
>minimal side effects
this also includes no gains. While researching did you also notice 90% of people say 500mg of test e pw. Anavar especially with out a test base is a waste of money

>>42011809
That's what I figured. Going to be a fucking pain in the ass with powder capsules. Might buy some caps and repack everything.

What are the easier high estro sides to notice? Loss of libido and sensitive nips?

>>42011817
>inb4 your female roomate drinks it and doesn't have her period causing a pregnancy scare

Idk if thats how estrogen works or not

>>42011821
I've run a test only cycle what was moderately succesful, last two weeks I was a little bitch from lack of test though.

>>42011820
>so just pretend you're advising someone else in your situation.


Fuck I wouldn't have done what I did. I would have gotten some elsewhere and used as little as possible to function, because this was terrible timing in my life to be too rekt to function. Also rekt my physique bingeing.

>>42011817
>Paying for a full supply of ai, only using 1/4th.

>>42011825
Sensitive nips is certainly one I notice and probably the easiest to spot.


I've never gotten any ED problems but you might get a soft dick

>>42011835
Meant to say anavar

>>42011790

There is a private one.

Closest thing is Reddit's /r/bodybuilding Discord, which has a fair bit of crossover from /fit/ too.

https://discord.gg/A8FyNc

>>42011835
Anavar imo is like a polisher i guess. It will give you nice pumps and you will look round and full. But bang for you buck test is the way to go and if you want size/strength and if your smart, minimal sides.

>>42011844
>not just putting it back in the fridge for the next few days

You could also just buy propylene glycol and empty all the caps into some liquid and shake it up into a suspension in a small jar and draw it with a syringe (reuse since oral) for dosing. PG just tastes kind of weird though, but its how I dose my raws for the time being.

>>42011630
damn, why did you ever think this would be a good idea?
Take benzos every day for longer than 2-3 days.

stay safe man

>>42011630
Its not the best option but 1-2 16 ounce beers will help with a lot of the withdrawal symptoms. Just drink water to balance it.

I abused Xanax for months and when I found out my plug wouldn't have anymore I tapered my last bit but ran out early and had to drink away any sides. Obviously this is a lot easier if you're a neet

Well I left the girl a note with my number on it like I'm some middle school kid. I honestly think it was the better decision versus going through a bro because it's more personal and meaningful.

>>42011931
God the things I could achieve if I was neet but with an income. Thats my life goal. Sustain my relatively simple lifestyle without having to work.

Test post please ignore

>>42011931

I'm 20 and can't legally purchase alcohol, plus I'm on drug tests with ETG.

>>42011971
Riparoo

Any of you faggots work physically demanding jobs? I don't roid and I just got hired as a delivery driver working 10-12 hr days 5 days a week. I figured y'all would know best what to do, discipline wise and all, to be able to continue going to the gym 6 days/wk. Advice?

>>42011700
For general purposes, and also for women it is. You don't get as fucked up taking it stand alone without test, you can take it with test, it can make your test dose more effective, it doesn't fuck up your bp, it's not stressful to the liver (at least to a higher degree than the liver can recover so alt etc levels don't keep building up higher and higher) so you can take it for a long period of time unlike oral steroids. Can also be prostate protective while on steroids. Apparently also effective in high dosages while on test.
It's non virilising in women. Despite what people say anavar is still virilising in women, it's just on a slow rate, so such changes aren't noticeable.


Major issues - the price.

>>42012076
I work in a fruit shop as a stacker/warehouse person. The hours were long and i was walking around all day. Need no shit 2x my bmr to gain. Discipline is an internal thing but just make sure your on top of your game with a good diet, a good stim and plenty of sleep. Don't take a rest day on your weekend. Idk what your training is like but I would definitely recommend keeping it short but intense. Dont waste 2 hrs jerking off at the gym and missing sleep because of it

>>42012076

I used to wake up at 4AM and ride a bike to work in the dark and cold because no car to go work in a Lumber Millworks making custom cabinetry and countertops until 3PM for $9/hr.

I lifted after work, gym was on the ride home.

Shit fucking sucked, I quit after like 4 months or so I think.

I also did Landscaping stuff for like a year though and I always lifted after work then too.

I dunno, just deal with it. If you really love it then you will have the motivation.

>>42012138
So get off the PPL you think? And why no rest day?

>>42012169
Well you don't have time restrictions on weekends so its the perfect time to train. Save your rest days for fucked days at work when you can't get to the gym or need it.

Uh if you like PPL and you can manage to fit in you know it works for you keep it. Just giving you some quick ideas off the top of my head

>>42012192
Oh ok I gotcha. Yeah, maybe I'll switch to something that's 4 days a week. I only recently switched to a ppl after doing SS so I don't really know what I like desu

>>42012242
The point I was making is don't waste your time. If you have just come of SS something with a pit of volume might do you some good

>>42012242
You can always do full body EOD.

>>42006430
bumping for answer

>>42006430
Boldenone (possibly DHB too), Nandrolone. Then Matrixyl3000 (may have been replaced by something) and SNAP-8 topical peptides.

>>42012952
micronised collagen. Not actually a PED obviously but 5-10g ED helped my torn to shit elbow

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>>42005454
Prone to MPB here. Is 600mg/wk Test-E while taking finasteride/rogaine/nizoral 2% a good idea? I'm thinking about adding in Anavar too.

Will start the cycle in a year or two.

>>42012990
>>42012952

If we are talking injury healing - BPC157, TB500, GH, MK677, Ostarine

>>42005678
Thats a pretty big first cycle

>>42005680
Why waste time

>>42013073
Look at his fucking face and posing. Someones taken an egg beater to his brain.

>>42005454
Hello fellow steroid users! I too am a user of steroids. Say, where do you fellows buy yours?

>>42013098
I buy mine from the local policeman.

>>42011971
It really fucks with my head that I'm older than you.

Can i stop going to the gym before test kicks in? I had panic attacks at night again, everything started to hurt, had zero strength and energy at the gym so i left. So far it seems like i will end myself way earlier than i planned.

>>42013183
You need to address your panic attacks

>>42013183
What exactly are you taking? Just test?

>>42013187
I went to psychiatrist, they told me i might be schizophrenic, told me to do random medical tests and wanted to send me to psychiatric hospital. I still didn't do those tests because it requires leaving the house and driving to other city.

>>42011839
>Also rekt my physique bingeing

:( Feels

Home brew question on sterilising vials by steam pressure.

Why not use 70% alcohol in a steam pressure to sterilise it?

If you're not using a flame source of heat there should be no additional risk right, with the additional insurance of alcohol sterilisation plus the vials would dry a lot faster.

>>42012076
I work in a freezer/warehouse working 50 hours a week.
The love for lifting by itself keeps me going. I often look forward to my gym sessions.
The days I don't feel like it I'll just go anyways and end up having fun after all.
Just keep going, discipline yourself to keep going.

>taking way too much sdrol
>muscles going up up up
>lifts going down down down

its an abstract kind of feel.

>>42014154
How does that work?

>>42014163

weakness/lethargy.

i can rarely recall the times were my eyes ache and i just wanted to sleep RIGHT FUCKING NOW than when im on sdrol.

missed work through my alarm lel now i have one on my computer that wont fucking stop till i manually get up and close it

>>42014201
I see. I always thought i had a tank of a liver until i tried sdrol. Im at the point where i think i will use my remaining orals and not by more. Too expensive and not really qol. That being said 50mg adrol pwo is fun

next monday im getting on a test cycle (somewhere around 500mg/wk, probably little higher) but i dont want to be running the test alone so im planning on adding either EQ or dbol.
since ill be running a long cycle(at least 4 months) i think eq is the best alternative but im kind of concerned about my BP when running them for so long and the test at such high dosage.

is it better to kickstart with one month of dbol?

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>>42007535

How so?

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Propecia!

How do I cycle (mildly) and post-cycle while on Propecia without destroying myself?

Propecia / Finasteride Details pls!

>>42014410
ubiquinol, cardio and clean food

>>42013938
>50 hours
i already have problems with 38 hours.

tfw desk job

>>42013223
95+%of psychiatrists in my country (US) are complete quacks who pick your diagnosis with the dsmv and a dartboard.

Unfortunately you have to self.educate and treat. There are options out there.

>>42014565
Hey masT I know you said you don't follow an exact protocol with setsxrepsxweight

But I was wondering if you could give aan example of what a week in the gym looks like for you during a blast? The more detail you can give the better. I always like to see what sort of regimen more advanced guys use.

>>42014565
Have you any plans to add deca/npp to your next blast since you said too high test messes with your head?

What about an oral like adrol/dbol?

Tren carb sweats are fucking worse than dnp.

It's absurd how hot I'm getting after eating some french toast

>>42014862
Stop eating carbs?

>>42014884
But I enjoy them. They fuel my workouts and growth.

>>42014780
Currently cutting, so i changed it.

During my blast i was on this regime:

Monday: Calves-Chest-Tricep
Tuesday: Bicep-back
Wednesday: Calves- Legs and traps
Thursday: Chest- Shoulders
Friday - Calves- Legs - traps
Sa-Su - Off

I just made sure that i would hit my weak points at least 2 times a week. Vary with different exercises. 4 sets. reps; 12/10/10/8

Especially for chest more decline and especially flys. Still looks like shit, but i noticed some little changes.

>>42014786
I am thinking about deca. Do you need caber tho? I am not sure i can get my hands on that.

I want to just get fucking huge and leave dyel behind.

If i can afford GH

GH
Deca
Test
Dbol

Qould be a great blast

I have already tried dbol. first weeks were great. But some weeks later fucking acne.

>>42014884
>stop eating carbs on tren
retard alert

2ml of testosterone is 200mg right?? it says 250mg/ml on the little vial and I am confused?? why I get boners by having mere contact with a cute girl after 4 hours of sleep and fapping twice? please help

>>42015006
0/10 apply yourself

>>42014959
Deca is what you add when you can no longer tolerate the sides of upping testosterone. It's a mass builder with a far less androgenic profile.


>Caber
Some do some don't. Unfortunately you gotta find out the hard way.

Can you get prami? It works just as well but you need to be more careful with dosing.

>Acne and dbol
That's unfortunate. Probably the methyl-estro. Maybe try adrol? It doesn't have nearly the same estro profile of dbol.

>>42015006
>Tfw rock hard because a girl smiled at me
It's a good.feel imo.

>>42015113
it awkward when it happens to literally every girl under 25 bmi and 40 years you meet

Besides getting a blood test or having my nipples leak/can't cum, is there any way to tell your prolactin is out of whack?

I'm feeling off and my abdomen is bloated as fuck on 600mg tren/trt test. Not sure if it's lack of sleep and a combination trendigestion and high carb, or prolactin steadily rising.

>>42015104
Interesting. I was always interested in that compound. I was only worried about the leaking nipples and deca dick.

Not via my source. Probably have to find another source for that.

Isn't adrol very harsh on the liver?

>>42015124
Not awkward when they gove you that look and shy smile. Not awkward at all.

>>42015189
All orals are, some are worse than others (looking at you mtren and sdrol).

That said, if you tolerate dbol fine, you'll probably tolerate adrol as well. If you get liver sides, it's easy to stop as well, just an oral.

Good luck masT. Crazy how far you've gotten with test e alone (more or.less) as your mass builder.

>>42015006
>2ml of 250mg per ml is 100mg

Nigga how many chromosomes do you have?

>>42015320
>replying to obvious bait
who has the extra chromosome now

>>42015229
>>42015189

Cant tolerate dbol, tolerate adrol and sdrol great.

Going to shill adrol here again, its fucking great. Even 20mg dbol fucks me up (gyno, bp, headaches, cant sleep).

Adrol - none of that. Also I tolerate tren well, though both are known to cause gyno or lactation issues in others - but not me - people allege that activity is because they are progestins. Looks like I am estro sensitive but not progestin/progesterone/prolactin sensitive at all.

Anyway adrol is fucking good shit.

>>42015336
Still you

>>42005678
Why so much test? At your fat level that's going to amortize alot. Do you have an AI?

>>42015533
Id argue 100mg dbol would worse than 1.2g of test in that regard

>>42015608
Regardless too likely to amortize unless you're genetically not prone to amortization. Especially at THAT fat level.

>>42015339
>The strength
>That fullness
>The sheer mass
Adrol is king of orals

>>42015710
Sdrol>Adrol

>>42015710
>the gyno that comes neither from e2 nor from prolactin
a truly great oral

>>42015767
Sdrol for polish, adrol for growth

>>42015810
Cuck genetics, just become a sissy trap

>>42005518
Did Blueshoes actually start pinning or are you trolling?

>>42015850
Inject for growth, i only like to use orals for polish

>>42015878
Fair enough but adrol/dbol are huge mass builders and definitely worth using for growing.

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>>42015934
They are great for mass building but so are injectables, i just prefer less liver stress but meh golden era bodybuilders used to pop dbol like candy and Arnold only fucked his heart not his liver

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my cycle log
going good!

>>42015229
Thanks for the input.

I was already somewhat build as a natty in contrast to most people over here, who are on gear from the start and end up with shit results.

Maybe then; adrol, deca and test. First do some bloods and cruise some more

>>42013337
Because autoignition/flash point. Look it up

>>42016104
4chan userbase is generally pretty young, and steriods attract the personality who wants it all RIGHT NOW give me my muscle!

But they can't get lifestyle factors in check so are constantly yoyo dieting (or not dieting at all) and constantly just raise the dose.to compensate.

They don't really want to be bodybuilders. They want to be swole.and get attention.

>>42015810
Despite being sensitive to estro induced 'gyno' I dont get it at all on adrol, bp normal too.

>>42015810
if you start to get gyno symptoms from test, my understanding is you're supposed to take your SERM/caber and dial in your AI

with Adrol is it the same protocol? or do you just discontinue use

>>42016236
AI wont stop adrol gyno, you need a serm or caber/prami. But adrol doesnt give me any gyno issues.

Brehs I'm fucking lethargic as fuck and my blood pressure is 110/60 (heart rate is at 90 though). I also have trouble sleeping and feel kinda hot often.

Estrogen too low?

>>42012076
I'm a HVAC technician. Work about 10 hours a day or more in blistering heat. Soldering in a 120 degree attic for a few hours is a good way to drop some water weight lmao. I look like absolute shit before I even hit the gym. Feels good though desu. People look at me like I'm a madman

>>42014959
I can run Deca up to 500mg without caber, providing I keep my estro in check.
Currently 750mg test, 400mg deca and 400mg mast (i dropped down a bit), 0.5mg arimidex eod and no prolactin issues.

>>42015996
>Not using injectable dbol/adrol as a preworkout
You have no idea what you're missing out on.

>>42016585
you realize there's no advantage to injectable dbol right? it doesn't avoid the first pass of the liver just because it's injected

>>42016612
>I have zero knowledge on anatomy and physiology

Google it

Running Test E 150/e3d and EQ 500/e3d. Made good progress, scales going down, body looking better.

Introduce Tren Ace 100mg/eod and progress has slowed and scales aren't moving as fast as the previous 5 weeks.

Thinking about stopping the eq and upping the test to 150 eod as well as the tren ace.

Maybe introducing mast prop at 50mg eod?

Thoughts guys?

>>42016622
you have zero knowledge of chemistry is a better guess. making dbol injectable doesn't remove the c17 alkalyzation. if you modify that it's not longer dbol.

>>42016373
I'm natty and have exact same BP and my E2 came back low. my HR is more like 70 though

>>42016634
Tren is black magic. Don't pay attention to the scale but how you look in the mirror.

Don't introduce mast at that low unless you're very low.bodyfat. 500-700/week for 4-6 weeks as a polisher.

>>42016679
It doesn't run directly through the hepatic vein you dummy. That's what"first pass" metabolism is. When shit gets filtered directly from digestive tract through hepatic vein. Injection reduces the overall interaction between the drug and your liver. Also means that it hits your bloodstream in a higher concentration.

Seriously Google it.

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>>42016734

It doesn't go through first pass but all your blood eventually get detoxified by the liver.

Not sure what this implies in the case of dbol though, that's as far as my knowledge goes.

>>42016784
Thats a nice ass

Is it just me or does test oil have a distinct smell? As a faggot it makes me hrony

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>tfw the recorded tallest men on earth (240-250+cm) are all fucking toothpick lightweights at 200kg

I wish I had billions of dollars, then I would experiment and find someone born with a growth disease (from eastern euro or china or whatever they seem to keep popping out of) and give him 30+ grams of roids a week and 100+ iu of growth hormones a day with lots of doctors tracking him.

Then feed him all the finest steaks, salmon, cod, tilapia and all the good carbs and shit and make him dedicate his first 40 years of life to fitness in exchange for 200 million.

I want to see what the pinnacle of human physiology is.

tell me what I buy for a full test deca dbol cycle including pct

>>42013053
>>42012990
im talking about skin mostly desu senpai

>>42017011
thats some warhammer shit.
i remember seeing some pic online about how big those guys would be in weight and muscle mass. it was fucking wild

>>42016734
I think you're confusing first-pass metabolism with phase 1 metabolism. Injecting dbol doesn't make it less hepatotoxic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_metabolism

>>42017026
fuck off idiot

My nipples have been super sensitivite for like 2 weeks but I'm taking Ralox so don't have to worry about gyno. High estrogen is anabolic right guys?

>>42017227
technically yeah

>>42017227
your nipples should not be super sensitive if you aren't developing gyno. bump up the ralox

>>42017276
Doesn't high e2 give sensitive nips

>>42010906
oh I love that shit. tastes WAY better than normal chocolate milk and has less sugar too.

downside is artificial sweetener but eh

>>42011971
oh god how are you only 20 and this addicted dawg...

>>42017285
And isn't ralox supposed to prevent e2 from functioning in the nips?

Anyone know anything about prohormones?
Specifically 1-Andro?

From what I've read it's really potent and doesn't aromatise, only side effects to worry about being hair loss, and the usual balls/test production shit that PCT cures.
Is that true or just marketing wank?

I can get it for about half the price of Test, I can take it as tablet form (much more convenient), there's less side effects and supposed it's 4-7 times as potent.

Should I buy, or should I stick to the tried and true?

>>42017285
>>42017347
it's the developing of gyno that comes from high e2 that makes your nipples sensitive

ralox does stop binding of e2 at those receptors, but it doesn't mean you can use 5mg and you'll be fine. your dosage is too low, you are developing gyno right now.

>>42017376
>>42017385
>>42017347
>>42017285

Ralox is not good at controlling the overall levels of e2 in the body, it works like Nolvadex, it only occupies the estrogen receptors thus preventing more e2 to get there and give you gyno. But once you got some gyno growing you need something stronger, the Ralox might be able to save your nips if you use it at the right moment but I think you're gonna need either Letro or Arimidex at this stage.

>>42017404
you're a fucking idiot my dude

>>42017385
>>42017347
Alright I'll start taking 60mg a day then. It's not pharma so hopefully it's legit.

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Damn. Waiting on a girl to text you is the worst.

>>42017427
sry wrote wrong but the dude needs an ai because he might have gyno forming, or if it's just fat and he's been paranoid and it is just that

15 minutes after taking Ralox orally my nips aren't sensitive anymore does it work that fast

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>>42017493
you're confusing a bunch of things together. if he actually has gyno, the answer is a SERM, not "Letro or Arimidex". AI doesn't do anything once it's there, it's only preventative (works by reducing e2). SERMs can both be used preemptively (stops the estrogen from binding at certain receptors, specifically the titties in this case, without reducing total e2) and after the fact to get rid of gyno.

AI is a better idea preemptively because high e2 sides aren't exclusively titties (bp, prostate, mood swings, etc) but you can very much get away with just ralox or nolva and never grow tits

why the shit is this whey only psmf keeping me so full? I'd be hungry like an hour after a real meal but the whey keeps me full until the next shake.

>>42017011
thats basically what those oil shikes do with big ramy minus the genetic defect

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>>42017466

Oh fuck she actually did text me.

>>42017579
>he fell for the protein powder meme

I wager you fags know a bit about test levels?
How much and how fast can T levels change depending on environmental factors?
I got my blood tested at the end of a shitty week, turned out pretty low.
Basically what I'm asking is how much does a shitty week knock off my T levels? A few points? A hundred? A few hundred?

>>42017759
A few hundred potentially.

Time of day also matters. Google this shit though

>>42017759
It only changes throughout the day if you're a nattycuck

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>>42015863
hello no hell nope natty for fuckin ever!

>>42017759
doesn't really matter
any changes in a natural human's test level won't really affect much of anything, specifically not muscle

Godzilla Piss

Every mL contains the following:

50mg Testosterone Base
50mg Trenbolone Base
20mg Superdrol
1mg Mtren

just fuck my shit up the preworkout

>>42016172
I can't really blame them, the attention feels good. Everybody loves attention.

But i was always fascinated with being huge. It really fascinates me how big i can get. I just like the feeling to have more muscles and be more shredded, which drives me go trough with eating the same food over and over again.

You have to find the drive that motivates you to go on. If the attention is the drive you need, then that would be your drive. Unfortunately that isn't' even enough for most over here because they're still dyel.

I see no reason to use roids to look natty. I mean look at yolo, he's bnc for years and still looks like he even looked at a dumbbell in his life

>>42017981
say goodbye to your liver

>>42017138
>>42016784
Not the guy you're replying to but you're correct about the fact that IM administration doesn't make it less toxic, but you're wrong about the 'first pass', which is a concept proper to oral administration. The liver wont necessarely filter every molecule due to the concept of distribution; because IM admin, molecules will be metabolised pretty much everywhere else along with a small portion that will go to the liver

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_(pharmacology)

I've heard both, but i want you guys opinion on it too

prop 75 ed or 150 eod and why?

>>42017981
what other weird mixes are out there? is this like a thing or did you just make this up?

>>42018245
it's not an opinion thing, it's a simple science thing. please use steroidcalc.com, plot both out over 12 weeks then ask again

(but you won't have to ask again)

>>42018257
some new pwo from an sst source

>>42018266
holy shit, that's crazy, why do so many people do eod then?

>>42018305
people who dislike pinning every day

why people who dislike pinning ed use prop is an entirely different question though

decide my anavar dose

also on 500mg test

>>42018395
0 mg anavar is worthless

Take a real oral like anadrol

>>42018429
recomping atm, I have sdrol for when I start bulking again

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what do you mean you're scared of a bigger dose, anon?

>>42018464
>recomping
Kys

tfw I cut to 104kg 2 weeks ago, then I started eating whatever I wanted, completely out of control.
Today I weighed myself, 114kg, about as lean as at 108 before, a bit better actually.

Benched 150 for 10, easy.
Perfect form pendlay rows with 110, never did reps with more than 2 plates before.

I don't even want to be this heavy, it is borderline annoying.
But I look so good. Fuck, 3 years ago I said 105kg is the limit, then 110, now seems like 115.

>>42018828

>having a "limit"
>thinking you'll ever be satisfied

>>42018860
Size wise I am on the way to being satisfied, a bit more on some bodyparts, then the rest is just fixing little things.
Strange how my delusions are fading and I am almost perfectly content. Or at least on the right track. I don't think I will ever be 100% perfect of course. But that strange thing when you think, hey, I look damn, good, but it could still be a bit better.

I'm off cycle for a while so how do you guys like to cut body fat while maintaining muscle while being natty-like?

>>42019066
by cruising.
If you pct'd and are now attempting to cut, say good by to the gains that you made.

>>42018828
what do you look like?
if you want to stop growing I'd stop with the sterons and just work out to maintain

>new thread?