/fraud/ - chinese bathtub chemicals are good enough to repla

What do you think losing 80lbs is like?

I was 260, now 240lbs. Goal is 180. I'm 6'1. I'm actually going below my "true" goal weight of 200lbs for health reasons and 180 is the lowest my doctor told me I can go. I'm intermediate according to symmetric strength.

I'm on 300mg test.

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post your raws

>tfw you can't decide if you want to try anavar, epistane or superdrol next

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>>41989552
post your raws, goyim, so we can take the EXIF data as evidence in court, good goy...

>>41989562
>not knowing how to strip exif data
what the h*ck

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>>41989552
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>>41989577
>Richmond

Wew lad

>>41989577
you haven't asked for that shit to be reshipped yet?

>>41989617
that's the west coast canadian customs location for international packages. mississauga being the east coast one

Girl from previous thread, why are you guys such assholes to women?

>>41989646
show us your moustache

>>41989552
too lazy to brew your own oils or what?

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>>41989619
my last pack was in customs for nearly a month and some guy on reddit said he had a pack stuck for 2 months before he finally got it.

I'll probably email him next week though

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>>41989461
Hey homies. I got some nolvadex and am coming off a 12 week test-e only cycle soon. 500mg/week. Problem is my nolva is 25mg per pill. I know the classic PCT is 40/40/20/20. Would it hurt to do 50/50/25/25 with these capsules? Or should I try and open the capsules up and dump a bit out to make it 20mg caps?

>>41989655
kek

>>41989552
Tfw same raw source

Use sdrol desu

>>41989707
50/50/25/25 is fine

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>>41989707

>dump a bit out

You good at eyeballing mg quantities ?

>>41989747
Not really. I've never done it. But I figure it can't be that hard?

>>41989747
ramenrater is so full of shit hes a shill now for whoever ships him boxes of his bachelor chow

>>41989701
ah that sucks, it always goes straight through for me, but I'm on the east coast so it might be different

>tfw waiting for source to put on a special
He hasn't checked in for 17 days, so I'm hoping something soon. Want to destroy my liver with sdrol.

Leaving for vacation in 4 days. Should I
1. continue the course on a nice tren/test/ephedrine
2. run dnp, maybe lose a pound of fat, and risk bloat
already pretty lean and hard, i notice when i go off dnp i look way more hard

>>41990242
DNP at this point will just make you look like shit. Stay the course.

>>41990253
think i just needed someone else to say it. i was on tren and making great gains, then did like 3 weeks of dnp and i feel it completely wasted it.
live and learn.
just getting to a point now where i'm looking much more hard and full. but the dnp absolutely helped. from now on i'm running 250mg at night - thats it. you can run that a while without feeling like shit and wake up each day leaner

Source only stocks UDCA and TUDCA would be a 6 week journey from India. Is it just as good or should I just wait for TUDCA?

>>41990236
Also

>tfw since seeing gf again, RHR has gone from 100 to 75

>>41990285
Is TUDCA illegal where you live or something?

>>41990319
>tfw rhr is 47
Lord almighty you need to do cardio before your heart asplode.

>>41990328
Live in shithole.

>>41990344
Gf wants me to start running with her. I genuinely think the cardio in sex has helped a ton.

>>41990361
.....meaning what? You should be able to buy it on Amazon.

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>>41990415
that's not how amazon works outside the US my dude

>>41990285
iirc udca is fine, just was a bit more expensive?

Anyone here tried halotestin? I'm looking to jump on in next few weeks but not sure if I'll need to pct

>>41990736
As in, only halo?

>>41990759
Indeed, I no longer have a source for oils

Or should I wait and run test at same time?

>>41990736
Why would you be running halo?

>>41990777
Blessed sevens ty

>>41990777
>should i run test?
yes. get a new source.

>>41990275
I have been considering doing a low dose each night and im currently cutting on test/tren 200/200. Did you find 250mg was enough to wreck your workouts?

>>41990838
Oly lifter, want to increase strength but stay in my weight class

>>41990854
Np

>>41990863
Will do

>>41990285
>>41990461
UDCA is what they use in hospitals in my country. Just as good and far more less likely to be cut with corn flour

anyone else notice fraud took a massive activity nosedive when crusader starter posting

any oral suggestions for a first cycle? currently looking to kickstart on dbol, but not knowing how much AI I'll need is a little scary

>>41991058
Halos pretty dope, but I would only really use it while peaking because I at least don't really keep the strength gains that I get from it. Unless you're competing in a non drug tested federation I think that you'd do better to just use anavar/prop and come off cycle 3 weeks or so before a meet. Assuming of course that you ARE a cheating fraud.
>>41991327
Imo you would do better to see how you respond to just testosterone instead of mucking it up with adding in another variable in the form of an oral.

>>41991327
Wow someone with half a brain.

Not gonna make you are strong but you wont look like a slob on winny.

>>41991327

Just punch some aromasin in after 5 days at a low dose (6.25mg +/-) EoD, if you start getting side effects up it.

>>41991369

Winstrol is a bit of a waste really, the idea of Dbol as a kickstart is that it can function just fine on it's own while the long ester testosterone starts to accumulate in the system. Winstrol doesn't really pack the same punch for that purpose.

>>41991118
I drove out all the other shitposters

>>41991422
I personally hate dbol so i confess i am bias. Dbol is great for fast gains but so much is water and just evaporates once you stop taking it.

>>41990439
Are you so fucking retarded that you can't find domestic tudca

Bostin loyd basically says tudca is to liver support as creatine is to performance enhancement.

If you need liver support to run pussy dose orals, don't run orals. You know what pros run? 400mg orals at peak. With tudca I'm sure. And you think you need tudca on your little gay boy blast of 50mg dbol? Oh sweetie...

>>41991628
>calls someone retarded
>listens to bostin loyd

>>41991645
Yeah why listen to a professional bodybuilder, who is engaged to a female bodybuilder who happens to be the daughter of a former pro bodybuilder. A man who has undoubtedly the best self researched self built physique, 21" arms, honesty about synthol (even Steve cook uses it), plethora of forbidden knowledge about drug protocols - basically a library of Alexandria where you can uncover information on peptides, HGH, insulin - and not get diabetes like Jeremy Beundia, health effects, funding this lifestyle...

He's a self made man.

You're a retard on 4chan.

>>41991367
Thanks man, lol of course I cheat but not looking to compete for a little longer. Honestly just wanted to test out how halo feels, I know I won't keep the gains but I'm not really worried about that.

Also should I get 5mg or 10mg pills?

>>41991746
Why don't you suck his cock some more baby

Why do i only get pip in my left quad? Are the jews behind this?

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>>41991814
Insult me one more time, and I will have Zydrunas savickas will insert his girthiest limbs into your anus

Just did my first pin of 250 mg test eth. Shot it in the side of my upper leg. Was fing scarry and im still trembling. Pin itself and the injection didn't hurt at all. Just took it real slow concentrating on keeping breathing. Leg starts getting a little stiff now. Hope next time will be easier!

>>41991854
Thats a big ice cream

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How fat am I gonna get on 5000 kcals/day and 600mg Test E per week? Lifting every day of course

I dont mind getting fat, what I mind is not being able to lose it or having loose skin afterwards

>>41991983
That depends on your maintenance

Will EQ give me a horse dick?

>>41991996
Maintenance is 2800

>>41992044
No but it will give you horse teeth.

>>41992044
Yes

My dick has gotten girthier and for some reason, more square recently

>>41991327
Anadrol is my go-to

Sdrol is nice as well, start with a short run (2-3weeks) at 10mg for it though

>>41992162
Yeah you will get fat as fuck and probably rationalise it with muh gains before you realise xou fucked up bad.
Not even 600tren would save you from that

>>41991983
>>41992462
Not only that but eating 5000calories relatively clean is a fucking chore in itself.
Why not bulk based on weight gain requirements and if you honestly dont care about bf have a cheat x2 a week or whatever. Dont go powerlifter mode. Nobody wants to go powerlifter mode

Feel like misery from coming off the tren and NPP

>tfw on the phone to gf crying my eyes out because she's telling me all her happy thoughts of me

I love monogamy.

>>41992883
You are a seriously fucked up individual.

>>41993005
I'm a pretty normal guy irl, it's okay anon. I just like feeling emotions.

>>41989552
>look mommy, i can order drugs off the internet!!! look at me!!! i'm so special

have fun with your bleeding intestines. their raws are unbelievably caustic and youll understand after your first anavar dose.

>>41991746
his girlfriend isnt related to dave palumbo you moron

>>41989483
180 is small for 6"1 unless you go ultrashred mode.

>>41991628
i get and understand what u r trying to do but
you're a fuckin idiot too

do u know that black grizzly was selling fake TUDCA for awhile and everyone still posted on PLEBBIT how good their liver enzymes were coming out??

go ahead and tell me how tudca is good for your liver, explain to me how it is a wonder drug. im not implying it doesnt do good for HEPATIC CHOLEOSTASIS but you guys that just dose it alongside orals without knowing how the drug actaully works are retarded

go to a knowledgable doctor who specializes in liver diseases and tell them how you take tudca with your oral drugs and then see what tehy say to you

it pisses me off a little you think you are SOOO SMART and come to shit talk people acting like you know your shit and that boston lloyd is some grand daddy science teacher

fuckin retard. ppl like you are sheep. u just parrot what you hear online and repeat it without actually knowing anything yourself. morons following morons.

TUDCA is a glia cell inhibitor. have u ever seen a liver biopsy of a tudca user and compared it to control? did u know other glia cell inhibitors like naltrexone drastically improve liver enzyme values too? do you know what these enzyme values actually mean in relation to liver health?


fuck u ppl seriously fuck off

>>41993144
p.s. using TUDCA alongside "400mg" of orals is basically putting a bandaid on a festering infected sore and claiming it makes things ok. you arent solving choleostasis, you are merely making it less damaging to your liver while the bile acids eat away at healthy tissue and you poop white

orals are BAD For you full stop
taking TUDCA and thinking you are ok, and reccomending it as being ok to others, is simply irresponsible

its ppl like u that have normalized drug use to the point where u are actually responsible for spreading misinformation and all the negative health effects people suffer

>>41989701
oh fuck youre dumb

removing the tracking number but leaving all the date and location information

picture saved for future blackmailing

ur gonna shit bricks when i post your signature image

FBI spotted

>>41993194
>still unironically saying "shit bricks"

This heat is getting me so short tempered. Not even on gear atm, got in a fight with a friend of a friend who was off his tits on cocaine last week. Then today some dumb bitch honked at me while I was parking into a tight spot, so I got out of the car and she shit her pants and reversed rapidly up the road.

Was going to start tren in a month. Maybe not now.

>>41993482
Yeah good idea to wait it out in your case.

>>41989552
Does your raloxifene smell so damn good too?

>>41993194
>Implying you can do anything with that information

Im starting my second cycle on monday if my moldawian roid seller doesnt fuck up

Ill take 500mg test and 200mg deca e5d and a 4 week dbol kickstart with around 20mg

What anti gyno supps should i take and whats good again hairloss?
Any more tips? Greetings from Germany

>>41994125
>Germany
inb4 taking steroids and even going to the gym if youre a white male is classified as a hate crime because its toxic masculinity and threatening/intimidating to immigrants.

>>41994125
>200mg deca
>500mg test

Oh boy nigger hope you got hella AI to keep that estrogen in check or caber to deal with it when it turns to progesterone/ prolactin

You'd be better off bumping the deca to 3-400 too

>>41994420
>>41994125
As he said keep your e2 /prolactin in check
Aromasin/Arimidex/cabergolin/nolvadex
Should know that stuff before you start seems you arent ready.
For hair folllow masTs memestack


>tfw every ai/pct/prolactin drug at home
>500t 500deca no ai needed
Thanks genetics

Greetings from austria

>>41994125
deca is going to fuck you up if you're this unready for the sides. You realize it takes people months to recover from it even with pct right, and you're prepared for it?

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>>41994928
you arent ready for steroids.

pull off the plastic thing and it will expose the spot where you stick the needle

What are the differences between running Tren Ace at 50mg ed and 100 eod?

>>41994928
You pop it open and drink the liquid

>>41991746
>A man who has undoubtedly the best self researched self built physique, 21" arms,
LOL

>>41994928
You need to break the weak point in the neck. Normally a kitchen knife with a towel on top will suffice

>>41994983
You don't have to deal with as much potential PIP or tren cough if you pin eod.

>>41994983
there is a much bigger fluctuation in hormones with eod which can lead to more side
if you dont like pinning ed just get tren e

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>>41994983
a lot

>>41995065
I'm swaying towards eod.

>>41995108
Tren E is side effects in a bottle. It's bloody awful.

>>41995117
Thanks for posting this. Can I ask what website it's from?

>>41995142
steroidcalc.com

I have no interest in using steroids, but I'm curious what gauge of needle is used for pinning and how they're acquired? I'm a paramedic and have a hard time getting any just to have them

>>41995218
... Nice b8 m8

>>41995218
usually around 21g for drawing and 23-25-27 for injecting. the biggest pussies use slin pins

pharmacies sell them over the counter, or online just like everything else we buy

>>41995290
You draw with a larger gauge than you inject with? For what? I usually use 23g for IM injections in the delt, you could use 21g for the glute easily, although it might cause excessive bleeding doing it to yourself due to less precision. I'd stick myself in the ass with a 14g though, after your fear of them goes away you barely feel it

>>41995351
>You draw with a larger gauge than you inject with?
because you should have two different needles anyway, and a larger gauge makes the drawing process faster

as for the rest of your post, it's very stupid. you can do this stupid shit once or twice, but not for someone injecting twice a week. you'd create so much fucking scar tissue injecting with a 14g that often it'd be insane. there's also the fact that smaller gauges mean you're forced to inject slower, so you don't get the hydraulic water cutter effect in your muscles of just pushing through 1-2ml in 2-3 seconds

>>41995351
Because guys here are fags and they justify it with MUH SCAR TISSUE

>>41995389
oh and you would also destroy the stopper trying to draw with a 14g

>>41995389
That's why I'm asking, I deal with IVs on a far greater basis than IM, and I received 3 IVs per arm on a daily basis for weeks without any problems.

I didn't say to use a 14g, I said that I'd be willing to.

>>41995142
Tren E actually carries less sides and brings more stable gains to the table long term for my buddy.
I've only used E as well, some minor backne was the only side effect really.

Where does /fraud/ get syringes and needles?

>>41995477
... Why are you buying them when your job is supposed to provide them? This doesn't seem right...

>>41995960
clean needle dispensary in the bad part of town

>>41993092
kek

>>41995960
Internet. Like everything I ever need.

>>41995971
>steal needles from work
Do you have any idea what this looks like

I want them to put in my personal first aid kit, and also to give myself IVs when I'm hungover, nobody notices missing syringes or saline, or would care, but the needles are different. I've tried buying them online but it requires proof that you're medical personnel most places I've looked, I guess I just have to look harder.

>>41993092
what about the ones that go in oils? are they so bad?

>>41996015
have u tried eBay my man

Do you guys follow the 'more than 4 reps a set while cycling' meme to avoid tendon injury?

>>41995142
>Tren E is side effects in a bottle

That's because you're pinning twice a week like you would with test e, pin Mon/Wed/Fri and you'll find things much more stable.

>>41996161
Have to agree, splitting up the E in smaller doses does wonders.

>>41996158
I alternate between strength and volume in an A and B rotation.
15 reps for volume, 3 for strenght.

>>41996015
in the wiki under safe injecting

How much test would a low t guy want to run to hit pre industrial revolution levels of test, say 1500-2000 ng/dl

Planning on cruising the rest of my life

>>41996403
100-150mg should be fine. Could bump up to 200mg to live on the higher end and expect more gains.

>>41996419
I can't just blast on 500 till I die?

>>41996426
You can blast 5g of Tren until you die. You can blast ANYTHING until you die.

>>41996434
How quick would you die on 500 e3d? How about 250 e3d?

>>41996024
lol the guy you quoted is a fucking idiot

almost every source buys from that particular raw provider nowadays

>>41996445
Thats close to a 1g or 500mg a week.
You might last years, you might last a couple of months.
I dunno, do 500 e3d and report back when dead.

>Operation Water and Oil is a go

Got a personal bag with a hidden pocket to hold my gear stuff while I vacation with the family. Only concern is my dumbass dropping the bag and shattering my vial or something. We'll see how it goes.
/blogpost

How are you guys today?

>>41996482
Doing quite well, how is your cycle going? And you for that matter.

Don't worry about vials, they can handle quite the beating.
I'd be more worried about pinning in shitty locations.

>>41996465
Ok but seriously, what kind of dose do most people run to cruise forever? Looking for above average but not blast blood levels. Also, how small do your nuts gets?

>>41996541
200mg. Anything above that I'd consider blasting.
You can always cruise and blast if you want real gains.

Nuts depend from person to person. My sack had always been cumbersomely big so the tiny bit of shrinking was a nice relief.
Run hcg if you want a normal full size sack.

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>>41993171
>>41993144
Oh my god you two are fuckin retards.

> see what you're trying to do
I was literally saying TUDCA is a meme. There was ZERO sarcasm in my post.

Guess what? I was mentioning PROs running obscene doses of orals...

Guess what else... dbol at the amateur doses of 25-50 is little more than an aggression spike. All these tinyboppers running 1gram of tren.... and they think twenty five fucking milligrams of an oral are going to have any effect whatsoever... fucking idiots

Never run orals unless you're a competitive athlete, that's my philosophy. No point. Why risk liver health if you're just an amateur or enthusiast. I don't even run 19nors because to look like a Greek god you don't need it. Fucking dumbasses running literal cattle hormones like tren. There's a reason parabolan isn't on the market anymore. masT looks like shit, why does he call himself masT anyways. He looks like he never uses an AI with that pasty ass skin and dick sucking face.

Y'all overthink things. So many guys running deca and tren getting stretch marks and breathing issues and awful skin... when they could simply increase test up to 1 gram or more, add boldenone or dhb... And primo and prov are wonder drugs yet nobody takes em because it doesn't instantly turn your abdomen into an insecticide mess...

Look at this fag from Reddit. Had a heart attack a year back or something. For gains that could be done on 700mg test and female level doses of masteron... fuckinf idiots here never think of long term progress just size

>>41996567
Thanks brah. I still got a lot more research to do. Do you recommend dnp to drop body fat low before starting? To prevent unwanted aromatization(not sure if that's the right word in the community, I'm a chemist not a roider)
I did a caliper test and was 16%

>>41996643
Are you okay man? You seem upset.
Its okay, people don't always agree with you.

Ps. Even nattys can get stretch marks.
Pps. I'll run Tren and I'll be fine anyways.

>>41996643
That guy looks terrible. The meme glasses don't help

>>41996657
Calipers are shit. You're propably fatter then 16%.

Do more research, alot more. Don't start on DNP. Cut down natty and see if you've got what it takes to have that level of dedication before relying on roids as a crutch.

I assume you want to get big, what are your current stats?

>>41996688
I just care about T levels really. Im hitting like 400 ng/dl on blood tests. Low, but not low enough to get TRT. I want size but it's backseat for me. 275/250/180/115 x5

>>41996688
>>41996719
And why no dnp first? Just to prove self control?

>>41996727
If you don't have the self control or dedication to lift or cut down without aid you wont make it with aid.
This is just my view on it. I do roids, but cutting is still done trough diet.

>>41996719
Just do research on trt. You'll get exactly what you want that way.

is it possible to grow chin/jaw with some supplements?

>>41996775
Gear in general increases the size of the muscles in the jaw.
At least mine did, I got tons of questions why my jaw suddenly popped.

I always chew on gum alot for gains.

>>41996793
so it grows jaw muscles, but not the bone structure?

i will always stay as a chinlet

>>41996793
I think I'm getting back on after a year off kids.

How's everyone doing?

>>41996766
Gotcha. What kind of research do you recommend? Since I'm not low enough to get it through the doc

>>41996775
Run HGH. Look at joe Rohan's head now compared to 2005

>>41996403
1500-2000 wtf! are you sure it was that back then?

>>41996811
Cant really change bone structure buddy.

Better to go from total shit to weak then accepting your jaw will always be shit.
Whatever it takes right babe?

>>41996812
Start of lightly, do bloods beforehand.
Enjoy being back on, I'll never hop off just for the fact that being off is hell.

>>41996847
Yeah dude, in the past 100 years people's men's test levels have dropped by at least half. Your grandpappy was a fuckin man cause he had the test levels of a novice roider

>>41996825
Google TRT basics, and get everything you need from a source, local or online.

Once you've got a solid source it'll be smooth sailing.
I do reccomend having multiple sources.

>>41996869
Thanks mate. I'm gonna do everything through darknet+BTC

>>41996893
Good luck man, hope it works out for you.

Tbh I don't even use darknet, dutch tho so its easy to order and get.

>>41996866
thats because of obesity and age demographics. healthy peoples test is fine

>>41996968
Nope. It's not even close to what it was 3 generations ago.

>>41997042
Rest days are for the week.
Honestly 1 day with just cardio and some core work can count as a good rest day in my book.

>>41997061
thats because of obesity and age demographics.

>>41997075
Explain all these nu males and betas then.

>>41997075
men rarely even go above 900 ng.even if they are in decent shape, young and not fat

>>41996968
do you have any proof of this? studies or something?

>>41997105
i meant
>>41996866
any proof?

>>41997042
I don't take any rest days and I'm not on anything. 7 days a week or you're a lazy fucktard.

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except the age cohorts literally went up by a decade in the years in the course of the study, so shut your fucking mouth about shit you haven't even read, idiot.

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Is there a recomp diet?

I don't care if it takes for-fucking-ever and is relatively inefficient. So long as I can get shredded (10% or less) without actually cutting.

Call me an idiot I don't care. Call me a low willpower faggot I still don't care. I always stop my cuts way too early, there must be another way.

>>41997102
Lol do you expect every male to be upper echelon? There's cogdis in your thinking here. Possibly in an effort to maintain the youre somehow a part of this select few men, you hope the population size of prime breeding men is larger than it actually is. 80% of men are going to be lackluster in terms of genetic material. Humans mate on a harem structure: a large population of women mate with a small population of men.

The reasonable explanation for the amount of lame men is that most men are just lame. As are women honestly.

>wow our 45-71 age cohort as double the test of our 57-80 cohort clearly the change is independent of age!

shut your fucking mouth retard

>>41997139

Just water fast for 2 weeks mang

>>41997154
I don't have the willpower. I give up after a week or so, EVERY FUCKING CUT

I don't know what causes it but it's a consistent pattern. Trying to find a way to work around my inner permabulker.

>>41997139
>eat normal
>take 700mg dnp
>bmr increases roughly 70%
>die of heatstroke
At least you won't have to cut

ive had to dismantle enough mens rights faggots like you that i know you dont have a fucking clue about whatever garbage breitbart shoveled down that rotten shithole of yours.

>>41997213
Technically that's cutting because you're eating well under tdee.

>>41997123
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jc.2006-1375
>a substantial, and as yet unrecognized, age-independent population-level decrease in T in American men, potentially attributable to birth cohort differences or to health or environmental effects not captured in observed data.
spoopy shit

>>41996509
It's all good on my end. I've said before that I'm feeling a lot better since starting my cycle but I'm sure it's placebo. No sides or anything from what I've noticed, but brought some Arimidex for ai just in case.

And that's probably true, but staying in condo with 9 people, I'm sure there's bound to be someone who throws my bag or steps on it or something. But I'm sure it'll be fine.
I'll have a bathroom to pin in and I brought some rubbing alcohol, because I don't plan on injecting myself while covered in dirty beach water.

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>>41997225
*Downvotes*

>>41997232
True but it's not like you're doing -1000kcals and doing dnp

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>>41997150
you know there is statistical analysis that can account for that sort of thing right?
i think you should shut your fucking mouth

>>41997277
atrazine pls go

>>41997306
im not him. i wouldnt name my self after some faggy herbicide that has no chiral centers and no plane of symmetry

>>41997267
Yeah but the result is the same.

I can stand not eating a ton of food. I can't stand feeling weak and moving backwards in the gym.

>>41997411
Tfw eating fast food everyday and 1-1.5k calories over tdee but barely gain any fat thanks to 700mg tren.

>>41997491
I've been running 600mg tren.

Eating about maintenance, 500-1000k over in carbs some days but less than 3x a week.

My arms and shoulders look cut and vascular, and my face looks bony. But I have a fucking gut and lovehandles. They look even more bloated than before tren. I don't know what the fuck is going on.

Considering accepting my destiny and just becoming a strongman.

>>41997491
Wasting that sweet teen broseph. When I blast I try to keep my diet as clean as possible. Make the most out of the gear you're using.

I miss tren. Waking up in winter fucking sucks

>>41997277
>>41997243
>>41997137
hmm. you think that the 1500-2000 level is optimal amounts?

>>41997745
that's a bit higher than what 50 year old men in the 60's had

>>41996688
Mirin' the digits.

>>41996688
Youre so fucking stupid. Calipers are highly accurate with a trained professional.

>>41997957
>with a trained professional.

I doubt he is you cumnugget

>>41997976
So then say that. Your statement "calipers are shit" is blatantly wrong. Stop moving goal posts.

>>41997681
Not our fault you're too beta to keep cycling tren now that you got gf. Now you're playing it safe. Pathetic.

What was your experience after taking test e?
I hear it's a life changer in many cases, I'd like your opinion.
More than muscle growth I'm interested in the energy boost.

>>41998002
If you want an energy boost, spend more time in the sun outdoors away from electronics and get on a regular sleep schedule. Exogenous hormones aren't a magic bullet for whatever you think is ailing you.

R8 my blast /fraud/
375 testE
600 trenE
300 mastP

>be Australian
>all domestic sources are overpriced as fuck
>have the option of buying domestic and paying twice as much or international and getting my packages seized 50% of the time
>government takes all my money to pay abbos

JUST

>>41997985
It goes for nearly everyone on this board.
Calipers are shit for us.

>>41998002
I finally got rid of depression, got my shit on track on feel like days are worth living bursting with energy.

>>41998002
So far I feel a lot better. Far less depressed and more willing to ge tot of bed in the morning. Sleep is still shit though, meaning I'm still kind of tired throughout the day.

>>41998045
Why not mast e so you can pin all three at the same time e3d or twice a week.

>>41998238
I can't get maste

>>41998246
That sucks but oh well. I mean it's your typical test tren mast blast. I'm only doing 250test 200tren 200mast at the moment and it seems to work just fine. Only side effect I notice is a little heartburn on occasion and some trouble sleeping but it's very minor. I like doing longer blasts at low doses rather than these 16 week blasts at crazy doses where you feel like shit.

How easy is it to get raw powders in the UK? I have access to a pill pressing machine that can spit out thousands of pills, thinking I could package them up and make a decent margin.

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>>41998281
This blast will be 20weeks, maybe i will stop being a small dyel skinnyfat bitch for summer (fuck you is winter now) and be happy with my body, but probably not

riding anavar 50mg ed
read different opinions on pct, some say no need to or just some daa or shit others say the full program...
didnt do pct after 100 days of 350 te e5d and was fine too so this would be also ok?! any other supps i should use e.g. zinc?

>>41998431
I did 6 week anavar 75 ED, no test base. Had 3-4 days I felt a little low energy but then was back to myself

>>41998441
thought so too... want to do 8 weeks 50mg no test base... just for cutting...
dont know wtf is wrong with ppl they even talk about sides with ostarine

some nice results or just blunder of the year?

>>41998468
You'll get shredded, you'll feel a little "mellow" the last few weeks though from the lack of test. It effects everyone differently but I hardly noticed aside from a drop in libido the 2 weeks and a general sense of 'blah' feeling.

>>41998532
sounds nice... did you drink once or twice or do you think its to much stress for the liver?

>>41998555
I drank 2-3 nights a week but I'm a giant retard. I'd stick to 1 night a week or none, moreso for the sake of cutting than your liver

At what point of steroid abuse and lurking fraud do I become a trip fag?

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if u are 25+. will your dick grow at all from steroids?

>>41998583
If you go by what I did, immediately use a trip and start asking retarded questions until you know a little bit about what you're talking about
>real life character development

>>41998625
Asking the real questions here

>>41998583
2years here and never used a trip, its a personal thing do you want people to know you or not.

>>41998209
Again they are not when the individual doing the measuring understands the process. In what certain terms are they "shit for us"? You just seem to be staunchly defending an argument without providing any reasonable asset. If you want to be right just say "anon is probably an inexperienced idiot, he could pay a pro to do calipers but it's an involved process. Easiest would be a dexascan". Boom.

>>41998625
what if you are 23?

>>41998679
expect you still dont

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>>41999024
Exactly

>>41998000
I'm going back on tomorrow cuck. I just stopped to avoid wastage.

250mg Test E
100mg NPP
500mg Tren A
22.5mg Sdrol

>>41997821
what level would be one for a 20 year old?
and do you have proof of it?
my biggest concern is that these numbers are wrong and that those numbers are actually unhealthy to run at on a cruise or something

>>41999144
>thinking of self administering mystery chinese bathtub chemicals
>concerned about health

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can anyone here tell me what i fucked up?
my english is not so good so im having problem finding something on google

i was on 250test and 400tren, strength was going up very fast

up my bench max with 22lbs and its going fine

till one day i wanna up it again with like 2,5kg
fail the lift but no pain or clicking or anything

but now i cant even bench the bar without sharp pain, cant do front raises either without something clicking or popping

the pain is coming from the collarbone i would like to say, close to where the end of the trap and delt meet

anyone got any tips? i just pray for that it isnt permanent, also would npp help with this?

>>41999158
Sounds kind of similar to what I had. But I heard a click when it happened.

Just rest for a few weeks, do some ROM physio exercises, NPP will help depending on what you've actually done to yourself.

>>41999181
i guess i can work on my legs now that chest and shoulder workouts are out of the question, i think im gonna go check it up tomorrow just to be safe

did yours go away by itself? this happened like 2-3 weeks ago

Everything lined up perfectly but still had a shitty gym day

>Full night's rest
>Previous day off
>Easy day at work
>50mg anadrol and 70mg tren a 1.5hour preworkout
>Bowl of oats and small portion of flank steak, with plenty of water at the same time


So everything was as on point as possible and still I feel like shit mentally and physically. Just left after my first few worksets, it was impossible to focus at all.

Does this ever happen to anyone else? It happens to me once every 3-4 months. I just call it a day and try again the next, never had the issue last more than one workout.

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>>41999293
its probably the anadrol, made me feel like shit and its known to fuck with your psyche

but yeah i get those days too, some days are worse than others, just put your headphones on and get it the zone. Even if your workout turns out like shit you still got it done like a man, and that will make you feel a little better

>>41999293
Trips of truth.
Hard to imagine not being psyched for a workout after 50mgs adrol but if its only once in a blue moon no biggy. I want to be at the gym rn but i have to clean my flat to get in a new flatmate, praying for an asian student who never talks to me and is clean.

>>41998161
Sounds just like Canada

>>41999358
What about another roider? That might be an interesting roommate

>>41999366
Idk whether canada has indians or some shit but abos and bogans are a disgusting drain on australia. We were so close to genocide which would have rid us of atleast one

>>41999423
I wouldnt mind a new lifting buddy but my top priority is just living with people who clean up after themselves. Until i moved out of home i didnt realise there are some people who would rather live in filth then spend like 1% cleaning their shit up

>>41999437
Ya but we have to call them native to be PC and shit. We tried a bit to get rid of them but not nearly as much as you guys.
They pretty much just drink and drain public resources. Oh and the native leaders are corrupt as fuck. So when the government send money to fix a reserve it oftentimes goes into the chiefs pocket.

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>>41999157
its an ancient chinese secret!

>>41999491
Sounds like much the same shit except we dont have reserves. We just banish them out past the black stump to the dreamtime. They get to live on benefits and i get to pretemd they dont exist.
Its not a perfect system but its our system

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Loquid go.dl.

>>41999105
Tren and sdrol won't do anything if you're skinnyfat porky

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>>41999546
>2.5cc

>>41999546
lmao why would you prepare your injections ahead of time like sunday meal prep

>>42000397
Lol hope he doesnt forget to freeze them for max freshness

>>41999216
Yeah mine just went away. Shoulder is a little crunchy but its g2g

>>42000436
that sounds like a bad idea

>>41999158
>>41999181
NPP has actually been shown to inhibit healing of connective tissue. This is why so many people have joint problems coming off of it, because the anti-inflammatory effect wears off and the pain is no longer masked.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20690845

>The effect of local nandrolone decanoate use on a rotator cuff tear is detrimental, acting as a healing inhibitor.

>>42000950
what is good then?

>>42001085
Ostarine, TB500, BPC157

>breaking out in tiny pimples all over my back and shoulder

A-At least it's not the big cystic acne that leaves scars. Fucking anadrol Reeeeee

Still gonna keep running it because gains.

>>42001146
>acne from anadrol
Tfw lots of sides with dbol, but none with anadrol

feels good man

So I am paying $60 for a 10ml of Test C from a pharmacy with a prescription.

How does that match up from less reputable sources?

>>42001183
$60 us? If so about double....but pharma product

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>>42001203
So you would pay roughly $30 US, for 10ml Test Cypionate?

I was prescribed 200mg of Test C, every week.
Trying to cost/value legal vs not so much.

>>42001254
Im an aussie but 25 to 30 us is the going rate for 10ml 250mg teste. So its even more active ingredient per vial. Not saying you should buy ugl when pharma is available.

>>42001254
>>42001279
And p.s fuck thats a good pescribed dose. Your doctor is a sick cunt

>>42001279
I get a 240mg test c I inhection with b12 for free by my doc every week.

>>42001318
I am skeptical desu but fear not as nobody is honest on an anonymous korean basket weaving forum

>>42001350
Im being serious why lie here. I'm American too.

>>42001366
What range does it put you at?

>>42001295
>thats a good pescribed dose
I hope so.

My test is 164, and free test 37.

>>42001377
936 at the lowest by the time I go back to get my injection. So idk what Its at by the majority of the week. Maybe peak is 1300?

>>42001382
You are going to feel godly. Wouldnt be surprised if 200mg p/w put you to 750-1000.

>>42001392
Well man when i finally get sick on the bnc life i pray i get a doctor like yours

>>41997042
u fuckin pussy
im on TRT and i lift 2x a day 6 days a week
do intense cardio 7-9x a week
train BJJ 3-4 days
and practice hitting the bags every day

>>41996459
every faggot ass reddit source

have fun buying your home brew trash

>>42001400
I do tiny 8 week test only blasts inbetween blood work lol. If I'm on for life I can be patient with gains. It's not like I need to pct and I get blood work for for 50 bucks by a dr.

>>41996643
ill be on primobolan entanthate for 3 months straight pretty soon here . i might run dhb too if i wanna get freaky for a bit.

>>42001416
Thats something to consider i guess.
Im still deluded that i will end up a successful competitor. Aa such my blasts are pretty long but i jistify it to myself by avoiding orals mostly.

Hey boys, I just pinned my first 250 mg of test e today. Should I have pinned 500 instead? I plan on doing 500/week

Got 50g raws on its raw for a years worth of bnc, was planning on blasting prop and ace through summer and cruising enth and deca in winter, think i should just brew enth deca together? Doses will be 125/125. Prop and ace ill probably keep seperate for good measure...

>>42001655
Whats the best resources on learning how to brew. I wanna become the escobar of juicyness in the northwestern suburbs

How long are your blasts, A birdy told me it's ok to hop back on as long as your blood work is fine. My Dr tells me according to my bloods I'm healthier than him lol. Should I just hop back on? Cardiac atrophy is the only thing that worries me but I hear that only happens when your no is high all the time and My bp is usually 115-140/64-90 on blasts and trt. Should I just hop back on.

>>42001758
>>42001455
Forgot to attach the (((you)))

>>42001743
Brewing is more akin to a kids cookbook than it is to chemistry. Check /r/steroids for recipes and google steroid powder calculator.

>>42001758
If bloods are clear i see no reason not to get back on. When people give you a predetermined time between cycles there isnt really any calculated science its just a 'most peoples bloods should be stable by this point' kinda thing. But if you wanna be overly cautious wait it out a couple weeks and get bloods again.

>>42001758
My blast are typically 16 to 20 weeks but it requires alot of maintenance healthwise.

Despite having good numbers you have to thing about the longevitt of yoyr body and the toll large grow takes. I advocate time on= time off bloodwork permitting

>>42001785
So i dont need to be creative or intuative? People have done the leg work for what works well. Awesome

>>42001794
It's like cooking: You've gotta be creative to come up with a new recipe, but any joe can follow an existing one.

>>42001818
Ive noticed a new source doing some weird blends. I have some huge reservations on such things for fear of severe pip. Crazy kids

>>42001828
IDK why everyone has such a hardon for blends. Yeah it's more convenient, but you can't change the ratios if you need to.

Asked this in QTDDTOT but got no response figured this would be a good place. How do you go about getting your blood-work done to check test levels. Can I just ask my current practitioner? Also can someone point me in the direction of getting reference data for test distribution among the population?

>>42001861
The convieniance would be real if they were the dose you wanted. Less needles and needle holes. But ive used test 400 and had awful pip. I can only imagine 400mg of blend per ml is going to be the same

>>42001887
>Can I just ask my current practitioner?
Yes, or go to a private medical lab.

>can someone point me in the direction of getting reference data for test distribution among the population
>>PubMed

>>42001891
Most blends ive seen have been along the lines of 100mg ace / 100mg prop, so you have 200mg per cc and can increase or decrease accordingly. I tend to prefer 1:2 test to tren though so i never bothered. I don't think i would ever run ace without being able to lower dose independently. Cruise dosing is a different story though

>>41997042
If you're strictly doing machines/db work and you're never really grinding reps then none. But where's the fun in that?

>>42001655
You probably can, although I would of course do a test run of a vial and wait around a week to see if the solution crashes before trying that out.

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its been like 3 years since dnp became a thing on /fit/ now and i ahvent been here since that

- does it still give you cancer
- is $240 for 50x200mg a rip off
- will i make it

I think I'm gonnna murder my gf how do I not get caught

>>42002376
Crusader you forgot to put your trip on

>>42002398
He's too much of a mommas boy to hurt a female

>>42002404
You're not wrong

>>42002404
We all know he's gonna kill his gf sooner or later

I have to take my second shot of HGH while i'm a work, but i don't want to store it in the refrigerator there, because i don't want to loose sight of it.
Can i keep my prepared shot in my bag for roughly 7 hours?
How long would it take for the HGH to break down?

>>42002376
you've already been caught by posting this.

Alternatively, break up with her and wait, eventually she'll die

>>42002517
Just get two ice packs and a small esky. I used to carry vials like this during the day

>>42002375
I pay 25$ for 60 50mg pills so yeah I'd say you're getting ripped off.

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>>42002807
Thanks, i've ordered this one: TravelSafe Iso Medi Bag. It should cool up to 12 hours and it was very cheap.

alright /fraud/

I did a 10 week test-e cycle during February 2016. Modest gains but noticeable. (I blame it on me being a pussy and not hitting full 500mg/week on the test-e and eating like I did before the cycle). Came off, did PCT, fucked it up, went crazy for a while and decided to get back on, trt style. I'm currently on around 125mg test-e/week.

Planning on coming off because me and the wife are trying to have kids. Haven't really tested how my nuts are doing, but they don't look bad at all, they looked a lot smaller during cycle but went back to normal after a single week of hcg a few months back.

anyway, back to the point: I want to go out with a blast (pun intended) and seize good gains before coming off. I was thinking:

keep the test at 125mg/week
tren-ace 150mg week
aromasin 12.5/ED

10 weeks, then
come off for 2 weeks leaving time for the test-e to clear up.
add hcg during those 2 weeks

week 1 of pct:
run the standard nolva protocol
stop hcg
aromasin as needed until after the nolva protocol ends.

looks good?

>>42003041
What am i reading?

That tren dose is a cruise dose, run 50mg ed or 100eod at least. Test can be run at half or equal dosage.

Why would you run ai during pct? And only run hcg to the end of the cycle, stop when you stop pinning test and not during simple pct.

Given your past experience and this post you don't understand the function of a pct, you should have really had more knowledge prior to starting but do some more research now anyway

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If someone wanted to just suicide bulk in his dream of becoming a fictional character, what would be better? (no DHT, hurts hair too much, yes I know sdrol is a DHT but it doesn't hurt my hairline like winny and mast for some reason, makes me really sleepy tho)

>2g of test
>60mg drol daily

or

>125mg test
>800mg tren
>60mg sdrol daily

Health and safety is absolutely not an issue, better dead than dyel

Keep in mind the bodyfat % can't get up too much (like 15 max) so I was thinking that even though tren isn't as big of a mass builder, it's partitioning will allow you to keep bulking without hitting that danger zone.

>>42003468
>test anabolic / androgenic rating 100
>tren anabolic / androgenic rating 500

Whats the question lad?

I took my first shot of test e (2ml) into my ass cheek ever 1 day ago and my butt cheek is sore.

Is this permanent or will it fade away?

>>42003621
Have you seriously never heard of pip? And you've already started roids. Good job

>>42003621
yea sorry bro your ass will hurt forever

>>42003500

>muh ratings based on rat prostates

by that logic winstrol and anavar(320 anabolic) should build muscle 3 times better than dianabol or test.

clearly not the case.

>>42003819
My new roid rage is telling me to smash your face in, watch it kid.

>>42003843
You sure? It's that kind of soreness that comes from heavy squating, it feels good.

>>42003468
>no DHT
>2g of test a week

Tren doesnt affect your hair either? (doesnt effect mine).

>>42003468
2g test is probably better for getting big but thats a lot care for e2 sides and bp, better be on a clean diet
>>42003500
Thats not how it works
>>42003929
Will stay forever only relieve is a squatplug, get it in deep

>>42004088
>clean diet will take of estro and bp on 2g of test
kek

>>42003468
If youre dyel I dont think 2g test or 800mg of tren and 60mg of sdrol is going to be any better than 500mg of test.

>>42004112
What is an ,

Maybe a vet can answer this question for me. Running 500mg/week test e, and 50mg anadrol ed. Best timing for anadrol? Pre workout? Post workout? Split the dose and take twice at set. Times? Any help or opinions would be appreciated.

>>42004191
Pre-workout, including if youre splitting. Anadrol has a short half life. Levels will still be high post-workout as well taking it pre workout.

>>42004200
Ok, I've been taking 50mg an hour and a half before I lift with my pre workout meal. Also, haven't noticed any water retention with it which is supposed to be common, but have been pissing like crazy? Been on for about a week or so. Any insight?

>>42004075

i can take retarded amounts of test and tren and sdrol it wont affect my hair. mast n winny rapes the follicles tho.

also i can take 2g of test with no real sides if i have letro, but when i take 800mg tren I get unavoidable brown lactation and some nipple build up that needs absurd amounts of caber and letro to just settle but not remove (regardless of how much test I use).

test-sdrol for me is pretty sustainable, but i have a feeling the tren route is better, though i just can't shake off the prolactin.

fuck.

>>42004293
Tried adding caber?

>>42004370
Do you know how to read?

>>42004293
Well read your post again and you will then know whats best for you.
>>42004370
>>42004417
He seems retarded, always sprouting bullshit better disregard him

Anyone have experience with sust? Ran it for my first "cycle" in 250/week. Anyone have experience with higher doses, stacks, etc? If so what's your opinion on it vs something like enenthate or cyp?

>>42004417
>>42004453
>needs absurd amounts of caber and letro to just settle

On hand =/= on cycle

Lets also not bother running an ai until you start getting gyno then just nuke it with letro

>>42004489
E or C would give more stable blood levels ir you pin 2 times a week, i use it because i can get ir cheaper 750 a week m/w/f no AI, 300 mast if i want to reduce bloat

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>>42000014
I accidentally filled those ones up to 2.5. Meant to be 2. Oops. It's 600mg of test in each one. Pinning twice a week for 1200mg a week. First cycle. Taking 100mg of dbol on top of that for the first month.

>>42000397
O homebrew it so instead of buying vials I decided to just pre-fill all my pins cuz why not?

Red pill me on an anavar only cycle

>>42004267
I havent gotten any noticeable sides from anadrol either, but on dbol I get gyno, high bp, headaches, unable to sleep, estro sides like crazy - taking 12.5mg asin ED only clears up the gyno.

>>42005036
Ree pointless, take LGD only, or inject test (hint test+LGD is still better than test+anavar).

Anyway just do test+sdrol

>>42005036

are you biologically female?

yes? go for it. (and hope you either get it underdosed or bunk as opposed to being replaced with fucking winstrol or holy shit dianabol if you're supplier is devilish).

male?extreme waste of time and money.

>>42001146
Find you a FWB that loves popping them.

It's amazing to see what she produce a from my scalp and back.

>>42003158
>>42003500
>>42004370
holy fuck what a moron

>>42004585
What did he mean by this?

>>42005379
>>42005402
Don't mind STR, he left humanity behind a while back.

new

>>42005454
>>42005454
>>42005454