VEGANNOGAINS HATE THREAD

>>41998362
>caring about Eclebs

Anon I thought you were better then this

HEY GUYS GO OVER TO THIS CHANNEL FOR THIS GUY AND SAY HOW LAME HE IS DONT FORGET TO LEAVE A COMMENT AND CLICK SUBSCRIBE SO YOULL KNOW NEXT TIME HE UPLOADS A VIDEO YOU CAN GET ANNOYED BY

shills out

He BTFOs shills left and right. Even Scooby admires the psycho.

>>41998372
>>41998406
>>41998418

Vidf get out re

>>41998362
You wanna see the most cringey video in existance? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PRAYmzgg0U

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Richard Burgess (VG) has a deformed body, a knee that has been through surgery do to birth defects and is mentally unstable.

He admits having visions of stuff that is not there and does a lot of drugs.

He basically makes Jason Genova look like a normal level headed human.

>>41998362
Babies raised as vegans will die.
Children raised as vegans have developmental problems.
Adult vegans are all mentally impaired.
You cannot claim to be a vegan if you were raised omnivorous, since your body received all necessary building blocks from animal meats and products to grow you to a stage where growth is no longer necessary.
If you are a vegan for moralfag reasons, simply don't breed, not having children is the best thing you can do for this planet.

ill just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcqWok8AubE

>>41998418
>I'm morally superior to you!
>I want to shoot you
>I want to beat the shit out of you because you have a different opinion / view of morality
>ooga booga my mind has degenerated even below the level of neolithic niggers
Why are all vegans insane? It must be in their diet.

I wonder what vegans opinion on fertilizer is.

>>41999923
I don't think he's ever stated moral superiority, only pointed out the hypocrisy and health risks of carnism

>>41998362
I'll take what is roiding for 400 OP

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Woah... So this... ...is the power of veganism... Made me think...

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>>41999325
>that spine
He looks like a fucking stegosaurus

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>>41999965
He has directly to the amazing athiest.

>>42000032
It would be hard not to be morally superior to that retarded fat fuck.

>>42000032
I'm morally superior to that prick

The brain is the main consummator of animal protein and will deteriorate, especially around the frontal lobe, if not supplied with sufficient amounts. There is a reason why vegans suffer fom a severe lack of reasoning skills, empathy, and human decency.

>>42000035
>You're not going to be able to make fallacious copyright claims when you're dead!
kek that's pretty based desu

>>42000032
Shadman pls.

>>41999325
>when Joker fires the Titan dart

>>41999908
>Babies raised as vegans will die.

>vegan since birth
>29 years old

>>41998418
This desu

im not a vegan and kinda think he is a dick but i love his worst of the fitness industry and he btfo of everyone he argues.

What are VG's lifts? Is he 1/2/3/4?

>>42000189
his knees are fucked to diddly/squat is kind of weak, but otherwise he's doing ok

>>42000197
He looks like he has some hypertrophy, but he doesn't look very strong - it seems like his muscles are superficial.

>>41998418
>argues ill-prepared civilians with little to no knowledge in the fields of morality, animal husbandry, farming, nutrition, anatomy, biochemistry, etc.
>"BTFOs" them by literally threatening to kill them, yelling, ignoring arguments, and throwing out heavily biased and unsourced studies
Wow, what a hero.

>>42000216
>Wow, what a hero.
what is your contribution to the world

>>42000216
He has citations in the description of every video he makes and he's never threatened to kill someone who didn't commit felonies against him

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>>42000150
>vegan since birth
>had breast milk

pick one

>>41999908
>being this retarded.
Please don't breed. You will destroy humanity and make us apes again with your mental retardation.

>>42000236
A masters in lab tech, major in radiation protection technology (radiology/"health physics"), minor in biochemistry, working at the radiology department of a sizeable hospital since September 2014.

>>42000246
my mother wasn't enslaved, tortured, and murdered so that i could buy a carton of her milk

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>>42000246
Lmao breast milk (human) is vegan you dumb nigger ape.

>>42000278
i'm sure the animals you pay to have murdered will appreciate your dedication to science

>>42000239
The studies are unsourced you dope, meaning they are not used because of their flaws and biases.
You could quite easily create a study yourself by getting a sample size of one reasonably healthy vegan and 10 hamplanets, then claim that omnivores are 10 times as likely to be obese and suffer from cardiovascular disease

>>42000278
A legend in his own mind

>>42000306
it's very obvious you didn't even bother to check the studies.

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>>42000290
none of that matters bitch tits
>consumed animal products
>vegan

pick one faggot ;) vegan babies die, you were not vegan buddy

>>41998987
Wow they are going to make one ugly baby

>>42000290
>enslaved, tortured, and murdered
You don't know a single thing about ranching, do you?
Not only do you not have to kill a cow to harvest its milk, these animals are given literally heaven on earth. Their diseases are treated, no harm will come upon them from predators, and they have infinite amounts of food.
But yeah, those antilopes that are eaten from the inside out while still alive by hyenas surely have a much better life.

>>42000321
you don't seem to understand what veganism is

>>42000035
why didnt pete knock this retard out at the toronto pro show? I am pretty sure people who have cheered him on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZU0pfp_tjc

>>42000321
So if I feed a baby Gerber Soy it will die?

>>42000337
>these animals are given literally heaven on earth
i'll happily treat you like a cow if you wish

>>42000343
VG would kick Pete's kike ass and it would be well deserved too

>>42000000

>>42000302
I'm sure the animals you pay to have murdered will appreciate your dedication to veganism.

>>42000361
elaborate

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>>42000337

>>42000197
>2pl8 bench pr
>doing ok

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>>42000300
>>42000290
>>42000150

>>42000376
Victims of pesticides
Victims of habitat destruction
Victims of fertilizer
Victims of fertilizer production
And let's not forget all the animals you'd rather have freed and gored violently by other animals, than peacefully put to death by humans.

>>42000391
i think his best is like 250lbs for 5 reps? that's ok. it's not great, but it's ok

>>42000410
also if you drive a car, live in a building, take many medicines or use any of hundreds of everyday items you're using animal products that aren't food.

>>42000410
>orders of magnitude less murder is actually worse than orders of magnitude more murder

>>42000406
kek random dictionary
>https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

>>42000444
>hey Hitler define national socialism
>hey Mao/Stalin define communism

>>42000410
>intentionally murdering your entire family is the same as accidentally running over the family dog

>>42000454
you're arguing against a position no vegan actually holds.

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>>42000444
>ctrl-f breast milk
>no results

>>42000456
>intentionally murdering millions of insects and other vermin through violent means, i.e. chemical weapons and forced starvation is the same as granting animals a healthy and fulfilled life until putting them to death in an instant
FTFY

>>42000456
There is no reasoning with vegans. They "think" with their emotions.

>>42000463
>t-that wasn't real [spoiler]communism[/spoiler] veganism I swear!

>>42000477
the idea is avoiding unnecessary cruelty and murder. your mother wants you to have her milk. she isn't being murdered for it. there is no conflict.

>>42000499
>unnecessary cruelty and murder
Also
>cows are murdered to harvest their milk
You could.do.with some education in ranching.

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>>42000499
your definition goes against a dictionary i provided and one you provided

>vegan intelligence

>>42000486
you do realize animals need to eat, too? and that animal feed is a huge part of agriculture? and that all that could be avoided? theres not even a tradeoff. it's less murder period, with no drawbacks

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>>42000035
I'm surprised he didn't go to jail for selling these shirts.

>>42000511
by your standard vegans don't exist. why are you trying to argue against people who don't exist

>>42000506
>You could.do.with some education in ranching.
they're murdered when yield decreases. many calves are also murdered

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>>42000537
hahaahahahahaha

>ITT vegans disproved their existence

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>>42000435
Implying I'm a vegan because I care about animals. I'm a vegan because I can't stomach meat, even since I was a child my parents had to force-feed me chicken and to this day I can't stomach it. I'm a vegan because all dairy makes me breakout instantly. Since I stopped drinking milk and eating cheese my face cleared up.

I'm not a vegan because I give a fuck about any stupid animals or the environment, I'm a vegan because it's the healthiest, most comfortable diet for me.

I will admit I did love filet mignon (the exception) but I can't afford that shit so whatever and my parents could only get me filet mignon like once every two months.

>>42000552
so you're not a vegan

>>42000477
Why bother avoiding honey, they're just fucking bees

>>42000550
how can vegans disprove their existence if there are no vegans? you're not making sense

>>42000560
I haven't eaten meat in more than two years.

>>42000561
why bother not shitting directly into your mothers mouth, she's just a fucking whore

>>42000522
I am aware of that, but I am being consistent. You only want to reduce animal suffering to a point with which you are comfortable, any more than that and you suddenly chicken out.

>>42000543
>calves are murdered to harvest their milk
You're just digging yourself deeper anon.
>old cows are killed well after their natural lifespan, after having lived a life free of predators and with no food scarcity
Oh those poor animals, I'd much rather have them be flayed alive and crawling with parasites. :(

>>42000566
if i made you a pan-seared filet mignon with truffle butter and a caesar salad you'd eat it though

>>42000552
I guess technically I'm not a vegan since I do use honey as sweetener in a lot of things.

>>42000578
and there we have it

>>42000583
I still consider myself vegan. The honey thing is fucking retarded so I don't count it.

>>42000573
>I am aware of that, but I am being consistent. You only want to reduce animal suffering to a point with which you are comfortable, any more than that and you suddenly chicken out.

>Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

It's not chickening out. It's not possible to eliminate all suffering. But why not reduce suffering if it's no real inconvenience to you?

>>42000585
i can consider myself muslim and get gay married but if i go to a country of actual muslims i'm still gonna get executed

you're not a vegan

>>42000552
I am sorry for your loss anon.

>>42000587
not eating meat is an inconvenience if you want to build muscle in a reasonable timeframe

>>42000573
>old cows are killed well after their natural lifespan
you're way off about this mate
>calves are murdered to harvest their milk
i've never made this obviously stupid statement. dairy cows give birth, and those calves mostly get murdered. it's a by-product of dairy production. calves aren't murdered for their milk. wtf are you talking about.

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>>42000603
Is that so?

>>42000585
>The honey thing is fucking retarded

You are not vegan.

>>42000603
you can build muscle just fine on a vegan diet. there's nothing magical in "muh meat"

>>42000613
bioavailability of whey protein isolate is at least 10 times better than that bullshit

>>42000625
with a vegan diet plus roids and it's gonna take twice as long to see the same amount of gains

>>42000634
>bioavailability
that's a meme, it's not relevant. if you eat a sane whole foods vegan diet, man-size portions, not tiny bowl of little girl salad shit, you'll easily meet all your amino-acid needs. eating more or "better quality" has no benefit

>>42000587
>to you
And that's the key point. If you want to live a vegan lifestyle go ahead, but don't force it upon others, or be a moralfag about it.
Not having eggs or meat would be a massive inconvenience to me, so much so that it would force me to medicate with various protein and vitamin pills, because there is a significant amount of humans whose digestive system is terribly inefficient at converting and using vegetable proteins and the various acids that would be turned into vitamins.
People like Vegan Gainz want to force their lifestyle on everyone and do harm upon people who disagree with them.

>>42000634
>with a vegan diet plus roids and it's gonna take twice as long to see the same amount of gains
i defy you to post a study that show this. it's obvious bs

>>42000665
celerynig's lifts and physique

>>42000661
>don't force it upon others, or be a moralfag about it.
>Not having eggs or meat would be a massive inconvenience to me

if you want to not rape little boys in the ass, that's fine, but don't force your unnatural morals on others.
not raping a couple of boys in the ass per day would be a massive inconvenience to me

>what is morality

>>42000691
>thinking omnivores killing animals for their meat is amoral

>>42000703
>killing literally trillions of animals per year for taste pleasure and tradition is moral

>>42000703
>boy-fuckers raping boys in the ass is amoral

>>42000716
>literally
>trillions

dude get some proper nutrients your brain is shutting down

>>42000386
They get milked once or twice a day. Dairy cows have it quite easy. Beef cattle mostly have it pretty easy until they get shipped to the feed lot hell hole.

Chicken farming on the other hand is straight fucked up.

>>42000729
Fish killed per year alone is well into the trillions, by the industries own statistics. Look it up

Does he still use the same studies from the same doctor that are old as shit and probably been refuted by now?

>>42000751
dude you care about the welfare of fish what the fuck is wrong with you

you want like 2 billion people to starve to death over fish

>>42000742
Oh, they barely get tortured at all, that's fine then. I'll only lightly molest your children once or twice a day, other than that I'll keep that safely locked in their cages. They might live up to age 16, before they get their heads chopped off! Truly heaven on earth

>>42000756
plants can feed way more people than animals. nobody would starve.

>>41998362
He actually looks retarded

>>42000754
well designed studies done on hundreds of thousands of people don't get "refuted". that could only happen if human biology changed drastically. not realistic in a couple of decades.

>>42000386
How is this fitness related?

>>42000790
ok so i guess we'll just drastically alter how the global food supply works and see what happens and also release billions and billions of head of livestock back into the wild so animals don't die, nothing that could possibly go wrong there

>>42000800
How is your whining fitness related?

>>42000806
>gets BTFO in off topic thread
>y... you're not talking about deadlifts!

vegancucks are such sad little creatures at least 5 animals died to make the pizza i'm eating rn

>>42000800
7billion people won't go vegan overnight, you don't have to worry about millions of fucking chickens roaming to streets on chicago.

we already produce enough plants to feed everyone. feed it to people instead of animals.

>>42000818
>he thinks animal feed is safe for human consumption

7 billion people won't go vegan ever because the premise that it's wrong to use products derived from animals is flawed

>>42000814
You're lowering the tone of /fit/. I will ask again. How is your ranting your whining your bloviating about feeding people fitness related?

>>42000818
How is that fitness related?

>>42000834
get the fuck off of my board newfag redditor we're discussing diet which is fitness related.

/fit/ is a fitness and lifestyle board

>>42000833
is corn unsafe for human consumption now? even if some gmo soy of whatever is unsafe, just plant some fucking wheat or potatoes, it literally takes less than a year to change all feed crops

>>42000845
You're bloviating politics. Can you answer how it's related to fitness?

>>41999325

Seriously though, what the fuck is wrong with his body? He literally looks like a movie monster.

>>42000857
too little cow tit juice make spine go oopsie

>>41999325
abomination from the incredible hulk

>>41999325
He looks sickly.

>>42000798
it is not

>>42000797
So im going to assume that he still uses the same studies then.
Thing is he often missuses said studies... like he reads the abstract at max and hopes his audience is as dumb as he is

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>>42000984
How the fuck is this fitness related?

>>42000979
I don't know which "same studies" you're referring to, so I can't really comment on this any further.

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>>42000564
haahahahahaaha

this is the mind of a vegan, zero fucking sense

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>>42000654
>bioavailability is a meme

hahaahahahaahaha vegans are always good for a laugh

>>42001136
how can vegans have minds, if there are no vegans? what are you trying to prove?

>>42001145
your reply seems to be missing a counter-argument

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>>42000654

>>42001191
>says the guy disputing established science actual athletes take into account when it comes to diet

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>>42001185
>countering an argument of no substance

>>42001185
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_Digestibility_Corrected_Amino_Acid_Score

>>42001205
meant for
>>42001185

>>41999325
rikuo is that you? (darkstalkers saga)

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>>41999325
>>42001225
shit, forgot pic

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Would Zyzz be alive if he was a vegan?

>>42001207
>>42001185

>>42001212
i know what "bioavailability" is, thanks though. my claim is that if you eat a sane whole foods vegan diet of adequate calories, you'll easily meet all your amino-acid needs, even though the proteins are not digested as well.

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>>42001191

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>>42001290
oh okay so i just have to eat more of the shit food known as vegan food because the proteins are not digested as well AKA not bioavailable AKA gas

th-thanks man! G-GO VEGAN!

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>>42000797
>>42000979

>>42001309
>oh okay so i just have to eat more of the shit food known as vegan food because the proteins are not digested as well
wow you actually got it! congrats my drooling friend.
yes, being vegan involves eating food that is vegan, instead of non-vegan food! shocking stuff, i know

>>42001338
Post your body

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>>42001338
>ignores the fact that one must consume more for the same amount of serum protein

stay salty vegans

>>42001290
Chickpeas is one of the highest protein / calorie vegetables.

For 2000 cals, you get 108g protein, ignoring PDCAAS.

You are wrong.

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>>42001356
>you get 108g protein
No not really

>>42001354
i'm not ignoring it, it's true! you need to eat slightly more volume & calories.

>>42001361
>ignoring PDCAAS
Do you not know how to read or are you fucking retarded on purpose?

>>42001371
You're the retard telling us to ignore that plant protein isn't absorbed well.

>>42001356
eat more than 2000 calories if you want more than 108 grams of protein? it's not very complicated.

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>>42001367
see >>42001361

>>42001374
>what is an argument. Go to bed.

>>42001384
> if you eat a sane whole foods vegan diet of adequate calories, you'll easily meet all your amino-acid needs,
that claim is false. Needing to eat 4k calories to get 1g/lb is not "adequate".

>>42001342
What's the upside to this?

>>42001401
that claim is false. Needing to eat 4k calories to get 1g/lb is not "adequate".
You don't need to eat 4k to get 1g/lb. You also don't need 1g/lb in the first place.

>>42001403
You don''t look like a DYEL and we may take your statements seriously.

>>42001410
Wrong.

International Society of Sports Nutrition says 1g/lb is about right for people engaged in strength training. Higher if cutting.

What vegan source do you have that refutes this?

>>42001403
Spoken like a true DYEL

>>42001413
Do you normally decide whether or not to accept the scientific consensus on a given topic based on the looks of a random person on the internet?

>the speed of light is fixed
>dude, this guy i saw at taco bell yesterday didn't even have red hair, the speed of light clearly isn't a constant you weak wage-slave of a teacher

didn't realize one of my favorite youtubers btfo this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgFWPV4S_v8

>>42001440
>Do you normally decide whether or not to accept the scientific consensus
There is a scientific consensus on veganism being good for gains?

I'll just assume you are a major DYEL faggot for now. Thus your opinion on diet to be anything other than a DYEL faggot is void.

>>42001428
yes, they say this, but what do they base this on. look up the "studies" if you want to a have a good giggle.

>>42001338
it involves eating an incomplete that is lacking in protein, vitamins and minerals necessary for life so you can jerk yourself off over less of some species of dying while killing a whole new set of smaller, less cute animals in a less direct way

>>42001463
>What vegan source do you have that refutes this?
I guess you have none. Sorry if I take their word over yours, or that gregor fag.

>>42001458
>go to any cbt, ctrl f "vegan" nothing
Really makes me think

>>42001458
>There is a scientific consensus on veganism being good for gains?
There's a consensus on it not hurting athletic performance and your prescious gains. I'm not claiming it increases gains

>>42001447

VG fucked him up pretty bad in a 2 hour livestream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSfg4seTQIc

All Doc did back was make funny edits instead of respond to anything.

>>42001486
>There's a consensus on it not hurting athletic performance and your prescious gains.
Yeah if we live in a fantasy world where you don't have to eat 200 grams of plant proteins to get 100 grams of protein.

>>42001478
they are making a claim that is not warranted based on the evidence they have. fwiw i'm not aware of any studies that are specifically a refutation to their claims.

>>42001447
>expecting me to watch this retarded numale with a Steve Shives tier intro
"My favorite youtuber" Pathetic.

>>42001509
>not warranted based on the evidence they have.
Yet you feel qualified to say they are wrong and admit to not having any evidence to the contrary..

Interdesting.

>>42001484
this

it's possible to survive on thin watery gruel and rats and snakes you capture and eat raw, as evidenced by north korean prison camps, it's not possible to look good or be strong while doing so.

where are all the ripped vegans who aren't massive roiders?

POST YOUR BODY. SHUT US ALL DOWN BY SHOWING US HOW JACKED YOU GOT EATING A VEGAN DIET.

>>42001530
I'm saying the claim that 1g/lb is magically optimal is not based on anything even remotely scientific. Anyone can make a baseless claim

>>42001498
all of his arguments rely on misrepresenting and misinterpreting the opposing viewpoint, this is hardly "fucking him up" and how you make a 2 hour video from a 24 minute video is beyond me.

>>42001547
>Anyone can make a baseless claim
>baseless
Interesting way to say, peer reviewed journal.

>>42001554

How so?

>>42000499
If you called me a murderer to my face I'd knock the wind out of you. Post your twig arms.

>>42001662
>you accuse me of causing unnecessary suffering, therefore i need to cause more unnecessary suffering to show how wrong you are
makes perfect sense

>>42001594
for example his argument that buying meat is indirectly killing animals and his analogy for this is fundamentally wrong, he compares it to paying a hitman to assassinate someone for you, however you're not paying somebody to kill a cow for you, you're paying for a product that already existed whether or not you had gone to buy it in the first place, are you personally creating a market for this product, no, it was created in an ecosystem that existed long before you, and that's where a proper discussion could be had, but that wasn't the argument.

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>>42000343
When he points at the camera
>BEEEeeeegAnnnn

>>42001692
Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash, you DYEL fuck.

>>42001699
are you saying if 10% of the population stopped buying meat, the meat industry would still invest billions of dollars to produce that extra 10% of meat product? you can't into economics, can you?
yes, if you buy a meat product, you indirectly pay for animals to be murdered for you.

>>42001727
>you pointed how i couldn't come up with a logical argument, only threats, i must make more threats now!
surely you're kidding

>>42001699

That's a pretty stupid thing to call him on. The meat industry exists because people buy meat. You're paying for cows to be bred and slaughtered. If people didn't buy meat, there wouldn't be an industry producing it.

>>42001731
How is that fitness related?

>>42001738
Come on down here to Texas and call us murderers for eating steak. See what happens. :)

>>42001699

>they're doing the thing, I'm just supporting them financially
>I am not to blame

>>42001781
>more threats, third time's the charm
>surely i'm not making a fool of myself

>>42001783
>I gave this guy 50 bucks to suck me off
>He's doing to sucking, I'm not gay
Prime example of meat-eater logic

>>42001789
If you accuse me of murder to my face you're going to get your ass kicked. That's a promise not a threat.

>>42001819
I'm aware that there are many sub-humans like you out there, what's the point you're trying to make?

>>42000343
Sheeit I didnt know Scot was such a manlet.

>>42001731
>>42001741
>>42001783
again, you're not paying them to kill the animals, you're paying them for a corpse
>muh meat industry
those cows wouldn't even exist without it you realize this right, so if you had the coin flipped either way a % of cows would be removed from existence.

>>42001859
Oh I get it, so if i pay someone to get your corpse delivered to my doorstep, that's completely fine morally and legally? I'm not paying them to kill you! I'm paying for your corpse.

>>42001835
>MURDERER
>SUBHUMAN
Where I live those are legally fighting words. Who do you think the police will side with? Me or a mentally ill vegan pussy?

>>42001950
>i started making threats out of nowhere, for no reason
>my threats seem to have failed
>next step - use the police as a threat
>in the meantime, must ignore all arguments
>must not challenge any of my dearly held beliefs
>power and authority is everything
did mommy and daddy abuse you when you were little? did uncle frank cuddle your little weenie with his mouth? were you dropped on your head as a baby? what makes a person turn out like this? i'm legit curious

>>42001859

And where do corpses come from, Jimmy?

>>42000552
Yo one of my friends has this condition too. She gets incredibly sick for something like beef stew.

Is it like, certain meats? What about cheese, eggs, fish?

>>42001877
that all depends on the law of the land, and you.
>>42002002
from the meat industry that created the cows in the first place, do you think I deny this?

>>42002002
>I hear they grow on trees, like broccoli!
>Almost right, Jimmy, almost right. C+

>>42002026

>do you think I deny this?

It sounds like you're trying to get out of responsibility by saying "I'm only paying for a corpse" as if you aren't aware that a corpse is a dead animal, which you basically contracted the death of.

>I didn't pay them to kill the cow, I payed them for meat
>how do you get meat
>By killing the cow! But it's not my fault!

It's like saying "I hired that hitman to permanently get rid of my political rival, not KILL somebody!" You know what is involved when you buy the good.

>>42002026
>murder is morally justified, if the murderer thinks so
man, i'm learning some next level shit today

>>42002057
>It sounds like you're trying to get out of responsibility by saying "I'm only paying for a corpse" as if you aren't aware that a corpse is a dead animal, which you basically contracted the death of.
I didn't contract the death of it you moron, it was an industry long before i was born and it will be an industry long after i am dead, the point is that it will always exist and even if it didn't exist in the first place all there would be is less cows in existence.

>It's like saying "I hired that hitman to permanently get rid of my political rival, not KILL somebody!" You know what is involved when you buy the good.
already addressed this idiotic analogy >>42001699

>>42002063
morality is subjective and different people, cultures and religions have different morals, if you're just learning this now, you're beyond saving.

>>42002092
i'm talking about your morals. according to your morals, murder is justified, if the murderer thinks so?

>stops eating meat to save animals
>"Look gaiZ Im helping XD"
>sits on ass and does nothing else


Vegans are honestly the dumbest fucking people on this planet. For every package of bacon you walk past, someone else just picked it up. Trust me, you guys have literally no effect on the world at all except inconveniencing yourself and others by having to be special snowflakes that drink a glass of milk.

Honestly, I wouldn't even spit in your direction, you're such scum.

>>42002079
>it was an industry long before i was born and it will be an industry long after i am dead
people were hiring hitmans long before i was born and they will hire hitmans long after i am dead, therefore i'm not contributing to murder whatsoever by hiring a hitman to kill a couple of people every single day.

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>>42001458
We should make these dyel soy eating faggots dress like girls. I bet there's one kind of meat they'd still eat.

>>42002115
>For every package of bacon you walk past, someone else just picked it up.
If I don't buy/eat a pack of bacon, someone else will sense a disturbance in the force and buy/eat twice as much bacon as he would otherwise.

Sounds and well thought out reasoning there sir

>>42002109
I never once mentioned my own morals, only the morals of the hypothetical person to order a human corpse.

I honestly begin to question why I'm having a discussion with a 12 year old who doesn't understand the concept of morality.
>>42002133
I wouldn't be hiring a hitman, I'd be picking up a body from a morgue :^)

>>42002152
you're right, he made a dumb analogy here's a better one
>for every package of bacon you walk past 50 have been thrown into a dumpster to rot

>>42002161
>for every person you decide not to murder needlessly, others will murder another 50 anyway, so you might as well not care about the person you're murdering, i mean it's not like it's barely even murder anymore, when others around you are also murderers! let's all be pieces of shit and murder everyone.
i can't say you improved the argument too much

>>42002155
>I never once mentioned my own morals, only the morals of the hypothetical person to order a human corpse.
alright. what do your morals tell you? is it ok for me to murder someone if i feel like it?

>>42002194
completely irrelevant, well done retard, you've taken the argument nowhere.

>>42002188
i wouldn't shit on anyone else's analogy after making that trainwreck right there.

>>42002195
humor me

>>42002207
your response is missing an argument

>>42002214
a pig makes several packs of bacon

>>42002208
obviously not, are you trying to spin this into a moral versus moral thing, because yes, you may find the slaughter of animals to be "murder" but i do not, because cows are not sentient beings.

>>42002234

>products that can potentially be made from cattle byproducts because we need to do something with the leftover bits of the hundreds of millions of cows we slaughter each year, but that mostly have obvious alternatives

>>42002244

Maybe you mean sapient beings. They're clearly sentient.

sen·tient
ˈsen(t)SH(ē)ənt/
adjective
adjective: sentient

able to perceive or feel things.

>>42002225
it doesn't matter how many packs it is.

if you contribute to the demand, by purchasing dead animals, there will be people who are willing to supply you with dead animals. making dead animals for human consumption is a costly enterprise. with a decreasing demand, the production of dead animals must be adjusted (decreased) to optimize profits. i can't believe i actually have to explain this

>taller than 99% of /fit/
>better body than 99% of /fit/
>successful youtube channel
>fucks his harry potter looking gf while you jerk off
really makes you think

>>42002244
>cows are not sentient beings
haha oh wow

>>42002266
you didn't have to explain it, i understand it full well, i was just saying your analogy was awful, also what's the difference between a million pigs being slaughtered or half a million, what difference does it make?

>>42002234

Gelatin's made from skin? I thought it was hooves.

>>42002253
>but that mostly have obvious alternatives
Source? Preferably in similar infographic form because I'm curious but not THAT curious?

>>42002272
>uses the wrong word
>still understood what he meant
>HAHA OH WOW LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT I NEVER DO THIS

fuck off

>>42002281
to me, the difference seems to be half a million less pigs murdered? are you saying as long as some number of pigs are killed, killing more is fine?
i hear there was this one guy who got shot wearing a white t-shirt once.. are all people wearing white t-shirts fair game now?

>>42002300
Okay, but why do we need less pigs "murdered" what will that change?

Why do vegans always fall back on the fallacy that an animal life is equal to a human life?

>>42002308
>Okay, but why do we need less pigs "murdered" what will that change?
"We" don't need less pigs to be murdered, it's not about us. It's pigs who need us not to murder them. The change is that they are not murdered.

>Why do vegans always fall back on the fallacy that an animal life is equal to a human life?
I wouldn't say they are equal. I know many vegans and none of them hold this position. It's a common strawman against vegans.

>>42002296

Some are pretty obvious. Oils contain cow fat? Oil by definition is plant fat. A bottle of corn oil doesn't have cow fat in it, it has corn oil. And when was the last time you bought a candle that was made from beef tallow? Was this infographic made in the 1850s?
Does your pasta brand use cow's blood? Mine doesn't. When did you last buy a cow hair brush? Some refined sugar brands use cow bones in the refining process. This isn't necessary to refine sugar, you can get brands that don't do this, but you also have unrefined/raw sugar as an alternative. I own a guitar and its strings are not made from a cow's internal organs.

The image takes a bunch of things that could possibly, or at some point in history may have been made from animal by-products and acts like there's no way around it, or that whatever byproduct is the only way those things could be made, when the whole reason many industries use these things is simply because we have so much of it that it becomes cheap to use.

>>42002331
>"We" don't need less pigs to be murdered, it's not about us. It's pigs who need us not to murder them. The change is that they are not murdered.
Have the pigs said this, do the pigs know what their fate is going to be, have you talked to them?
>I wouldn't say they are equal. I know many vegans and none of them hold this position. It's a common strawman against vegans.
it's clearly not a strawman considering you yourself posted this?
>i hear there was this one guy who got shot wearing a white t-shirt once.. are all people wearing white t-shirts fair game now?

>>42002141
desu I think that'd encourage them to act even more cunty. Not worth the headache.

>>42002359
>>42002331
building further on this, most every analogy that has been used as a counter argument has always been comparing human lives to animal lives, if you and yours don't think the two are equal, why do you keep using this fallacy?

>>42000420
but after a decade of lifting?

>>42002359
>Have the pigs said this, do the pigs know what their fate is going to be, have you talked to them?
I haven't, but I also don't have to ask the opinion of human babies, who are yet unable to speak, whether or not I should torture, kill and eat them. If it can't talk, it's ok to kill it?

>>42002380
idk, that's where he's at. he's just one dude, there are many vegans who can do more. there's obviously a great spread in strength, just like with meat-eaters.

>>42002373

Probably to teach you how empathy works beyond just the human species.

>10 years training
>250 lbs bench
>10 fuck years to reach something a person can hit for reps in 18 months with proper programing or can hit in a year if ate like Rippletits was feeding him.
Really makes you think

>>42002383
this will be my last post as it's tiring when you resort to the same logical fallacy of treating human and animal lives as equal
>If it can't talk, it's ok to kill it?
obviously if it's a human it will eventually be able to talk, I can't say the same for a pig though, what a simply barbaric thought process you posses.

>>42002401
He's not treating animals equal to humans he's just not condoning being an evil piece of shit

>>42001367
what are you gonna do on a cut when it comes to meeting your protein goals?

>>41998362
>basing your diet on morality and not nutrition
numales make me sick

>>42002373
you misunderstand.

human lives are not being compared to animal lives. i'm bringing over the logic you use to justifiy animal murder, to the human realm, to show that you would never accept the same logic for human murder, unless you're a complete psychopath, which i'm sure you're not, based on our interaction so far.

if you insist on treating the murder of humans and animals completely differently, please explain what's your basis for this.. is it intelligence? power? what is it? what happens if we take await this trait/traits from a human being? are they ok to kill for no reason? what if we add this trait/traits to an animal? are they now not ok to kill?

>>42002439
Intelligence, selfawarness, yes.
>what if we add this trait/traits to an animal? are they now not ok to kill?
correct
> what happens if we take await this trait/traits from a human being? are they ok to kill for no reason?
Not in my opinion, but there have been people known for wanting to euthanize tards.

>>42000776
Who the fuck cares, they're just cows

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>>42002364
No deep down every vegan sissy wants to be a good girl.

>>42000003
Cunt actually looks medically ill. His skin is piss colour.

>>41998362
How to get chloroplasts??

>>42002474
Imagine a slightly more intelligent and slightly more self aware alien species comes to Earth and they start to murder us by the million. Not because they need to - it's for fun, convenience. Perhaps they like to wear our toenails as earrings, who knows. Would u have no moral objection to this? Humans murdering humans is wrong, but this alien race murdering humans is fine?

I distinctly remember VGs wife posting a picture where he's wearing a Batman mask and has her foot in his mouth. VG loves feet.

>>42002512
It's fine we'll just send Will Smith after them

>>42002512
>Humans murdering humans is wrong, but this alien race murdering humans is fine?
I'm sure you'd be happy with this as long as they weren't touching your poor pigs and cows kek.

>>42002515
You haven't seen this kino? https://youtu.be/7kW8GSz9yac

>>42002533
But if murdering humans is wrong because of our superior intelligence and self awareness, murdering these aliens would be an even more reprehensible act! Will Smith, you hypothetical piece of shit

>>42002541
I thunk you're getting confused. It is you who supports unnecessary murder of sentient beings, not me.

>>42002562
You're missing the point of an objective, logically consistent moral system. These moralities are only meant to create and maintain a stable civilization. Cows, pigs, etc will never be part of that civilization. They don't have rights

>>42002562
it wouldn't be murder, it would be self defense.

>>42002622
So you DO think that mass killing another species on the "justification" of it being inferior is bullshit, good to know

>>42002811
What's that have to do with fitness you soy gargling sissy?

>>42002873
>I got blown the fuck out
>I know, I'll shift the goal posts! That will show him!
>Adding some ad hominem too is sure to cement my victory!
Insults have nothing to do with fitness, yet you use them
The OP doesn't have anything to do with fitness, yet you don't complain
Chinlet, dicklet, manlet, tfwnogf, mike patton and other threads have nothing to do with fitness, yet you don't complain

And to answer your question, dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol. The closer you are to the baseline serum cholesterol of 70 ng/dL the more it affects you. High blood cholesterol promotes ischemic heart disease. Ischemic heart disease is counter-productive to fitness.
Also, saturated fats (which animal flesh is high in) promote insulin resistance, which leads to the beetus.

Now fuck off.

>>42002901
You cocksucking vegan skidmarks need to realize that none of us could care any less about animals dying. If you want to shill your fad diet then stop crying like a baby. Talk about how the diet affects the human body and start lifting. You're a faggot who doesn't get enough protein to build muscle. You're damaging your cause by being a DYEL sissy.

>>42002962
You are the reason the I AM SILLY comic bad guy stereotype exists, your entire post can be tldr'ed to I AM SILLY

>>41999919
Terry is a qt and you should feel bad for not running templeos

>>42003073
He's right though fit people care about results and vegans fail to do so.

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Millenials replacing vegetarian with vegan.