Why aren't you a vegan?

I don't want to have green skin

>>41981782
>My erections are harder and I've received more attention from the opposite sex
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5PRAYmzgg0U
VeganGays pls

>>41981795
he has a green skin because his parents are black and white, not because he's a vegan dumbfuck

>>41981803
HAHAHHAHAHAHa

IM SO FAT AND OUT OF SHAPE AND MY GIRL IS SO MUCH HOTTER

>>41981815
I didn't know you were a vegan dumbfuck, VeganGays. Your words not mine

he seems to have underdeveloped muscles of the face, particularly the temporalis and masseter muscles which are primarily used in chewing. I guess you need to eat meat and not just tofu and bean fluff to achieve face gainz

> implying I'm not already vegan

Feels good man

>>41981782
VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

So-called 'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies from malnutrition. That's why vegancucks don't make sense, their brains don't work correctly anymore. People I've known who were vegan then gave it up and went back to eating animal products regularly showed positive changes in their personalities and started being able to think more clearly again.

Face it, vegancucks: humans are OMNIVORES, even many vegans admit it, and your meme 'lifestyle' is anti-health, anti-HUMAN, and exists as a political statement more than anything else, erroneously placing dumb lower animals above humans, which is pants-on-head stupid.

You should be banned from posting threads like this. Veganism has no place in a 'health and fitness' forum, it would be more appropriate in >>>/pol/

Veganism is retarded. I tried it for a month. It gave me constant fatigue and migraines even though I would eat 2000 calorie bowls of quinoa, white rice, and tofu for dinner and a simple fruit smoothie with bananas and whatever frozen mixed fruit for breakfast.

>>41981782
stop with the vegan propaganda already, I work as a cashier and almost every single vegan I see seems does not look so healthy as I think they should , its one of those things that sound ok on paper but honestly for me it wouldn't work

>>41981782
I don't want to.

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>>41981829
Stop cooking your vegetables

>>41981782
i am, and life is great. Gainz have never been better.

>>41981878
I used to have lots of people around me who were vegan. They all seemed to have strange chronic health problems, were all either fat or skinnyfat, and weak, and like that guy above would say, their brains didn't seem to work right, they often said things that didn't make any sense.

As a /fit/ guy I looked at the whole 'vegetarian' thing a couple times. It's almost impossible to get all your aminos in the quantities you need every day without eating the same combination of foods over and over again every day forever, no one would ever be able to stick with it, and then you get so much fiber every day that you'd make yourself sick. Soy is not an option, it's really not very good for humans to eat, many people have allergies to soy, and soy is treated so much with pesticides that it's no wonder it makes people sick.

Also veganism is not about people being healthy, it's about putting animals higher on the food chain than the dominant species (man). Really the vegan movement would be just as happy if humans died out and left the planet to go back to it's pre-human state with nothing but dumb animals; veganism is anti-human, a kind of death-cult, really. That's what they don't tell you.

Did you know that if you tried to raise a baby as vegan, it wouldn't develop properly and might in fact die of malnutrition? Ask any pediatrician. If you can't raise a child as vegan without damaging their development and health (or killing them) then how is it good for anyone?

>>41981782
>wears a shirt that says "badass"
>has zero jaw structure or facial gainz, likely due to flimsy vegan diet not propagating bone growth or helping him chew touch meats
>zero shoulders
>shirt loose af around chest

He looks alright but he'd look objectively better were his diet not shit.
Right now he looks like a 14 year old curlbro and that's how he'll stay

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>>41981782
I'm vegan myself and I'm actually tired to see any diet related topics on this board because people will come up with the most retarted excuses to why their diet is good. furthermore most people around here have their knowledge from youtube videos where steroid users are telling them to eat 3x whey and 3x chicken everyday because protons and stuff.

Every single time a vegan topic comes up on this board, people go completly nuts and they lose logic and start crying out with emotion to how addicted they are to meat and eggs.

I am, and so is most of /fit/. Eventually everyone will "come out of the closet" when it's cool in a few years.

Nobody wants fucking cancer and to smell like shit. Eating dairy and factory farmed flesh is the biggest bill of goods the jews ever sold us.

>>41981782
Ex Fatty on a cut here, can confirm my atrophied biceps bear a striking resemblance to his. I'm eating at a 1700 calorie deficit, what's his excuse?

>>41981782
Why is thiss guy's face so damn punchable? He looks like he's 10 fucking years old.

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maybe I don't want to end up looking like pic related and B-vitamin deficient.

>>41981926

>As a /fit/ guy I looked at the whole 'vegetarian' thing a couple times. It's almost impossible to get all your aminos in the quantities you need every day without eating the same combination of foods over and over again every day forever, no one would ever be able to stick with it, and then you get so much fiber every day that you'd make yourself sick. Soy is not an option, it's really not very good for humans to eat, many people have allergies to soy, and soy is treated so much with pesticides that it's no wonder it makes people sick.

go to cronometer and look it up yourself, its easy as fuck to get every BCAA you need and you don't even need to eat the same combination of food because every single food on this planet contains every needed amino acid and by simply eating enough food through the day you will get them. btw most people that train are eating the same shit every single day, so I have no idea what this has to do with veganism. Never saw chicken, rice and broccoli pics on this board?

People are not getting enough fiber and you think that they get to much of it and it makes them sick? Look this up before you say something like this. Soy is incredible for humans, ah god this shit makes no sense. Most humans on this planet cant digest dairy and you are talking about soy. Soy for humans is not treated "so much" with pesticides, this soy goes to livestock and you eat that shit later on your plate.

>Also veganism is not about people being healthy, it's about putting animals higher on the food chain than the dominant species (man). Really the vegan movement would be just as happy if humans died out and left the planet to go back to it's pre-human state with nothing but dumb animals; veganism is anti-human, a kind of death-cult, really. That's what they don't tell you.

No, god pls inform yourself before you post.

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>>41981782
>being vegan

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>>41981782
why the fuck would i be

>>41981782
I'm straight, and I've found great success following a ketogenic diet which seems like it would be much harder to maintain without eating meat. But hey. To each their own.

Faggot

>>41982032
>chicken, rice and broccoli
HAHAHA holy shit you don't know that it's a meme?

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>>41982013

>>41982074
yes, protein, carbs and minerals are a meme. idiot.

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Barn door back Dorian Yates baby!

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>>41982094
ayy lmao

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>>41982013
Disgusting

>>41982094

xenomorph of peace

He looks so fucking weird. It's like he's supposed to be black but something ain't right. He's trying his hardest to promote vegan diets but anybody with a bit of sense would take one look at him and shove a chicken up their arse.

>>41981782
My area isn't suitable for a no meat diet.
To become vegan is to move away, and I cant afford that.

>>41981782
Does anyone here NOT watch his videos?

>>41981844
Cool. Post pics of your body.

get this shit to >>>/ck/ you subhuman attention whore

>>41982161
Many people herr look like him

Ever since I became a carnivore I've noticed a bunch of superpowers that have improved my well being. I have more power in the gym and my gains have increased exponentially, I added 220 lbs on my bench in a little over a month. Furthermore I'm feeling much more healthier overall. I feel less stessed since I'm literally eating animal corpses, makes me feel alpha as fuck. I'm more alert and I feel a sense of calm in my mind, knowing I could beat you up irl and I'm not needlessly being a whiny cunt who cares about sentient beings, which helps me concentrate on cucking your green ass. My erections are still as hard as before because I'm not some low T beta and chicks now literally fall on my cock. Women can see that I look like Superman and many women want a Chad who only cares about himself.

So what's your excuse OP? Why are you still a faggot?

>>41982094
>wearing beats at the gym

>>41981931
you forgot the kicker

> ten years to bench 185
> ten years to squat 225
> twelve years to deadlift 405
> still lectures people about how a vegan diet is superior for training

>>41981803
She literally looks like she just got out of bed and threw on the clothes you'd wear on a slow weekend of eating doritos and watching old TV re-runs.

But she's getting married.

>>41981866
this

>>41981966

this

>>41982477
Things don't matter to these people unless they can brag about it on the internet.

>>41981866
Fossil fuels come overwhelmingly from dead plants, not dead animals.

And yet, even if they came from dead animals, it would be a mute point, because veganism aims to eliminate the unnecessary killing of animals for human ends, but fossil fuels are from organisms that are long dead, and use them or not, nothing we do will change that.

>'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies

Can you cite a source for this? It is true that vegans must take a B12 supplement but that doesn't have anything to do with 'amino acids'.

>>41981866
no shit, people think that depriving themselves of meat and dairy does any good, even as they bite into an apple that was flown in from abroad and trucked to the supermarket, where an enormous display is running electric lights 24/7

you can't eat a political ideology, but you can at least get healthy and mostly eat plants+grains

My girlfriend is hardcore vegan and I think it's fucking dumb. Low energy, poor mood, wants to get on anti-depressants because she thinks she's depressed, typical woman easy-way-out shit. The obvious change to make is diet, but how can I convince her to just eat some fucking eggs once in a while?

>>41982578
Feed her your cum, it contains protein and many essential nutrients.

>>41981782
Post body.

>>41982567
>get healthy
>mostly eat grains

So, which one did you mean?

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>>41981878
>stop with the vegan propaganda already, I work as a cashier

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

>>41982601
>tfw cleaning out my mothers fridge
>after organizing, the top two shelves are entirely grain and spices

>>41982664
Doesn't "cleaning out" involve throwing away all the rubbish?

>>41982578
Iodine, B12, Iron is the triumvirate of vegan energy problems.

She's almost certainly severely deficient in one of those. These need to be researched before starting a vegan diet.

Chew her out over it, ask her how she could ever expect anyone else to go vegan after seeing her feeble ass prop up the stereotype of vegans being weak.

>>41982067
>straight
>doing retarded fad diets

sure thing faggot

>>41982684
>fad

Uhh, low carb has been around a hell of a lot longer than veganism.

>>41982676

She's 6 years deep. Works as a solicitor so not brain damaged yet, gets B12 injections and has her iron tested regularly. I recently bought an iodine supplement to try after reading another anons conspiracy about fluoride and the thyroid, maybe I'll try get her on it.

We're on holiday at the moment and she came to the hotel gym with me today to watch me work out. I convinced her to do 3x10 10kg goblet squats and she's been bitching all day about how sore her legs are.

>>41982673
>spices are rubbish

Americans pls go

>>41982776
If you'd read my first post, you'd have realised I was referring to the grains.

>>41982686
Veganism has been around since ancient times, while low carb is some mom science bullshit

>>41982773
Perhaps she's depressed because her boyfriend thinks she's fucking dumb and bitchy

>>41982776
>Americans
Bongs don't use spices, Americans tend to use more, and fat Americans pretend to use spices while they sprinkle sugar over everything.

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>>41982477
>>41981803

>>41982601
both, silly manlet

>>41982807
Burgers think that pre-packaged sauces are seasoning.

>>41982874
This is false.

>>41981782
>I'm getting so many gains
>I don't post a pic

DYEL Vegans

DYEL Vegans everywhere

>>41982173
I dont

>>41982446
Got higher results in 2 years of lifting, starting from skelly. He really is retarded.

>>41982446
Don't forget.
>Claims 20" arms
>Says he's weak because of bad genetics
Don't think those 2 statements are compatible.

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>>41981815
>His skin is green because his parent are black and white

>>41983134
top jej

>>41981803

man what a trashy life

please stop posting this green nigger

>>41981823
>im fat and out of shape

>proud to announce that to the world

What's the matter brah?
>2017
Why haven't you made it yet brah?

>>41981782
look at his head. he looks like someone who could easily be named "brainulo" or something.

>>41982094
The fuck is wrong with his spine? I always thought he was a weird cunt, but this just proves he's from another planet.

Veganism just makes it hard to find good food to eat, so i will eat like a normal person

>>41981803
Honestly, there's usually a reason a couple will elope.

Probably because his family hates him and doesn't want to marry this green card seeking bitch.

I give her 3 years TOPS before she starts sucking Chad's dick and eating new york strips

>>41981782
>Why aren't you a vegan
>So what's your excuse /fit/? Why haven't you taken the vegan pill?
Because it's bullshit made up by quacks, religious zealots/psychos and pseudoscientists
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-best.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html
>http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/opinion/veggie.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291

>>41981782
Because I don't want to get my protein exclusively from seamen

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>>41982094
the fucking spine bursting out holy shit

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>>41983775
>it's bullshit made up by quacks, religious zealots/psychos and pseudoscientists
>proceeds to post blog posts written by quacks, zealots and pseudoscientists

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>>41983829
>spine bursting
ayy lmao

>>41983775
>blog posts made by literal drug addicts and convicts

Woah, I hate veganism now.

>>41981782
Your vegan king, Clarence, said there is absolutely no difference between being vegan and eating meat.

>>41981815
black and white makes grey not green

>>41982092
protein and carbs ARE memes

if you focus on getting the most dietary fiber and the least fat, everything else falls into place

adjustments will need to be made for the morbidly obese (BMI > 25)

inb4 "lol u need fat and protein OMG u fukcing vegan" - working out made me crave lots of peanut butter, so just eat as much unsat fat and protein as it takes to feel satisfied aka not hungry

>>41983865
>proceeds to not read
>>41984053
Whoa, you didn't read

>>41981782
>"I'm healthier than you"
>"My diet is more ethical"
>"My diet is more environmentally friendly"
>"Cruelty free"

Whoop-de-do, now post a comic in reply to my comment you fucking hippy!

he's fucking mental bros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EIPGyWacVE

>>41984078
VG and Scooby says otherwise. Scooby said VG has done more for the plant based movement than anyone else in the last decade. Take your head out of the sand before you get nails hammered into your ass for being a faggot.

>>41986254

You sound as mental as that genetic mess in OPs post. Vegans really are crazy/delusional/mentally ill. Best of luck to you.

>>41984120
>focus on eating the least fat

enjoy dying my dude

>>41981782
Because I'm not a cuck and I don't want diet advice from a nigger that took a decade and gear to bench 215 lmao

to everyone saying veganism affects you mentally, take a look at Akala, who is a vegan and advocates it, raps flawlessly and has a mind sharper than any of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh03JO6EFjo

>>41981782
Post body and lifts

>>41987500

Sounds schizophrenic to me

>>41982547
The amino acids for protein in plants are complete or as readily digestible or easily absorbed as from meat. Even the nutrients found in plants arent as easily digestible as found in meat which is why you need to compensate with more plant food.

Any evidence that vegan diet is better than simply reducing meat consumption? Currently I only eat meat every other day. Would going full vegan actually make me any healthier in the long term?

>>41982094
Hes testing the bar on his spine when he's squatting and has done it for a long time

>>41987822
No. That's another retarded dietary meme

>>41987822
None. But you'd have to go pretty low to near zero on red meat. The main argument of veganism is ethics and the secondary is environment, with health being more of an added bonus. If you notice, vegans never say that lentils are better than chicken+rice, they say that you don't need chicken if you have lentils.

>>41981782
Can you stop posting this thread faggot

>>41988276
Catalog > filters > add > vegan* > hide > save

>>41987822
This advises to make meat/dairy no more than 5 percent of your diet. https://bluezones.com/recipes/food-guidelines/

https://discord.gg/cVhQaZa

Vegan discord server, pretty new, but it's great

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>>41981782
i-i dont think khorne would l-like it very much...

>>41984184
>if you disagree with the articles i linked that means you didn't read it

>>41981782
>phytoestrogenes in soy
>almost anything vegan is comprised of roughly 80% soy
Naw bra, I like being a man.

>>41990072
>but it's great
Every time 4chan links me a discord it's overrun by women talking about their husbands. 4chan is dead.

>>41982013
>B-vitamin deficient

>>41981926
>Did you know that if you tried to raise a baby as vegan, it wouldn't develop properly and might in fact die of malnutrition? Ask any pediatrician. If you can't raise a child as vegan without damaging their development and health (or killing them) then how is it good for anyone?

>It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.

>>41991743
If VG was an animal eater he'd still be b12 deficient. According to him he's one of those people who's guts don't have the bacteria to absorb b12. He has to shoot that shit in his ass. I wonder if consuming probiotics would've helped?

I'm already vegan

>>41991607

>>almost anything vegan is comprised of roughly 80% soy

No. Just eat natty

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>>41982094
Look at those gains

>>41991764

Sounds like when fat people say they would still be fat even if they exercised and ate a healthy calorie deficient diet.

>>41982446
this. all evidence points to veganism being for hippie dyels and self righteous faggots. you need meat for gains

>>41993589
All evidence points towards you being a false flagger

>>41990084
If you're shitposting like and idiot you obviously either didn't or just didn't care to in favor of whatever memes you'd rather down like an idiot. You can literally find veganisms roots in pseudoscience and religious zealotry using Google and John Harvey Kellogg`s particular brand of wacko is in Wikipedia. This bullshit was founded by idiots and is believed by even bigger idiots
>A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed.
>further
>a method of treatment [to prevent masturbation] ... and we have employed it with entire satisfaction. It consists in the application of one or more silver sutures in such a way as to prevent erection. The prepuce, or foreskin, is drawn forward over the glans, and the needle to which the wire is attached is passed through from one side to the other. After drawing the wire through, the ends are twisted together, and cut off close. It is now impossible for an erection to occur, and the slight irritation thus produced acts as a most powerful means of overcoming the disposition to resort to the practice
>and
>In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid (phenol) to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.

>Cool sitz baths; the cool enema; a spare diet; the application of blisters and other irritants to the sensitive parts of the sexual organs, the removal of the clitoris and nymphae...
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

>>41994014
All evidence points toward you being an idiot

>>41994029
>John Harvey Kellogg
Isn't that kike why my dick is missing 2/3rds of its feeling?

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because I'm an animal and love to eat other animals from other species to estabilish dominance and steal their power, I even go to the gym holding my Anabolic Monster Beef protein powder 2lbs jug and make sure to pass near the vegans with a shit eating grin...ahah, fuck, I once shook it while one of these hippie transfags whatever was benching, it was funny as fuck

>"say goodbye to the little lamb I'm chugging...mmm, tastes so good...lamb's ashes...ahahahah, faggot keep benching while I eat animals and their blood"
>"fuck off!"
>"AHAHAHAHAH FAGGOT *middle finger and walk away*"

the gym owner is my best friend and we don't like that kind of fags

>>41981782
Because I can't stop abusing my body. Also why does nufit get so easily triggered by a guy joking about killing faggots who put false copyright claims on his channel? That's his income, retards. If you weren't 12 you'd want to kill faggots who acted like kikes too.

Can we just take a moment and stop shiling

>>41994094
Yes.

>>41981782
Are you a vegan or a moral busybody?
I.e. are you vegan because your body can't process animal products or do do it because of 'muh morality'. If you chose 1. you are a cripple, if you chose 2. you are literally mentally impaired, because no healthy organism would eschew the best food for itself. The third option would be 'muh environment', but veganism won't fix that, just stop breeding, there is no need for 8 billion people.
Also if you were raised as an omnivore you simply cannot make the claim that veganism is not harmful to humans, because you received the necessary building blocks your body needed during childhood.
Fact is that babies die when they are vegan
Fact is that children grow up unhealthy (inhibited bone and brain development) when they are vegan
Fact is that even adult vegans seem to lose their sanity due to veganism

>>41994277
Then why is it faux pas to hate jews?

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>>41983865
I got you covered mate

https://pastebin.com/hVsFXfs0

>>41994387
reeeeeeeeeeeee stop posting facts!

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>went vegan two weeks ago
>already down 4kg of fat without lowering calories
>broke my plateaus in bench and squat, back to linear increase every workout
>erections not only stronger but dick seemingly half an inch longer due to blood flow
>noticeable reversal of receding hairline
>got a gf
>able to see through thin walls
>can cool and warm objects at will by +/- 5 degrees using my eyes

>>41994736
>able to see through thin walls
I'm jelly. Would love to see my sister naked. Don't act like you aren't curious.

>>41981782
>he threatened to shoot and stab Ranting Monkey
AHHHH HE'S SO MEAN IT TRIGGERS ME

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>>41981990
+1ing as a vegan lurker

it's not so uncommon but people are scared.

>>41982578
>typical woman easy-way-out shit.
>she's been bitching all day about how sore her legs are.

clearly you don't like her, relegate her to fuckbuddy status instead of wasting her time with a relationship in which YOU dont even care. also you should probably accept it and go out with men or transgirls instead, you're more likely to appreciate them honestly. nothing good can come of you despising her core gender which she cannot change.

>>41994902
t. only child

>>41995045
Are you calling yourself an only child or me? I sure hope you aren't so retarded that you can't fathom wanting to see your big sister's pussy.

>>41994387
so dont eat soy?

PS milk and cheese have way more estrogens than any vegetable.

>>41995072
you heard me

anyone got some vegetarian/vegan recipes? I'm pretty good at cooking meat but I'm getting tired of eating steamed mixed vegetables with pasta sauce

>>41995097
bake chicpeas at 450 for 45 minutes. Season with ramen packet seasoning. Let sit for an hour to cool down before consuming.

You can have them as a side dish or as a main meal. to make them a main meal ill put them in a bowl add some chicken brother and eat it like a soup

>>41995074
Yea I am on the fence about milk and cheese product because of that, this pastebin against vegan science is more or less high tier and well researched, some time given, many of the research journals I went through myself. So it ranks high in my confidence status.

But then there are things like BPA and estrogen, milk and estrogen, even a story about how we no longer use bacteria that would process more for us, in many of our foods I am somewhat aware off. But soy being evil I am somewhat confident over, not 100% but more like 70%. And milk and cheese I am 40% confident over over them being evil.

If you truly wanted to you could ask here, but I bet you wont get the same kind of zeal on these topics as you would on vegetarnisim. They obnoxiousness and spamming infuriates quite many of us.

>gmo's
>bpa's
>milk and cheese
>hormones and weird things in farm animals being fucked with

will probably remain fringe ish topics because of that. But what I do know is that whey protein, the isolate doesnt have any of that and even promotes lean tissue. So go with that instead of milk if you are worried.

>>41982547
>mute
moot

>>41995121
thanks mate

>>41995074
The milk where i live have less hormones than vegetables. People forget that milk in countries were its heavily regulated have strict laws about how much there can be in the milk.

And in many countries the traces of hormones in milk is absolutely miniscule.

>>41981866

In addition to fossil fuels, plant production kills plenty of animals while maintaining the land, and also abuses millions of bees that live in trucks and are shipped around the country to pollinate everything.

>>41981803
GREENED

>>41985586

This explains a lot desu

fucking kek, those homicidal thoughts getting worryingly specific as he keeps talking
>I don't act upon any of these violent thoughts that I have
>I'm not going to kill any children
>I'm not going to crush any kid's heads in

>>41981782
The benefits that come from veganism come from eating plants. Your body can't be optimal in the long run on just plants though, unless you are special.
A plant base diet with meat included is optimal for most people.
Good on you for doing what you want to do though. It's not easy to be a healthy vegan for years, and if you can achieve that, then great.
I suggest you get regular blood work done, and find a way to get your omega threes. ALA is okay, but not the best option as the conversion your body makes varies from person to person.
Choline, iron and b12 are some more things to pay attention to.
I agree with you on not eating sick animals, but I don't think there is a hierarchy to life. Eating plants is no different than eating animals. You just have no empathy for the plants because they don't have eyes, ears, and a mouth like you do. They don't move around and make noise like you do. And what about all of the micro organisms you're consuming?
It just seems that the whole vegan thing breaks down when you remove this false idea of a hierarchy of life.
I will say that I felt better than ever eating mostly plants, and my green smoothie seems to boost me up a bit. Plants are great. Good luck, and stay healthy.

>>41981782
Lol, fuck off retard.

>>41991762
So nestle paid them off to sell baby formula? The ADA is sponsored by every toxic food megaconglomerate on earth.

Vegan Stains made me vegan. I subscribed for his psychotic BTFOing of industry shills and eventually the facts won me over.

>>41994014
enjoy your nogains, nogains

O shit, he just went live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jNa55-RGJ4

>>41995820
>debating morals AGAIN
Am I insane if I find it impossible to sympathize/empathize with animals (and people) that are out of sight?

>>41995860

I'm pretty sure you'd go insane if you DID symp/empathise with people/animals that are out of sight, every day would be fucking unbearable.

>>41995860
no absolutely not

>>41995820
Wow.
He just said that if stuck on a desert island with a cow, and a retarded person with the intellect of a cow, he'd eat the person.

>>41995860
morals are for faggots, only science matters. Emotions and feel goods are not a philosophy for life. They have pretty much never solved anything, nor produced anything of value for the world. They are the tools of lesser intellectuals and women.

Hard, concrete science, mathematics and other of these sciences produce nukes.

Morals produce emotions, or are in a origin point coming from emotions, the only thing that they produce is crybabies.

>>41993589
>>41994045
>>41995724
What's missing from a vegan diet?

>>41995913
>Nukes are a highlight of humanity's achievements
I don't even have words to describe how retarded this is

>>41995945
Care to explain? How is creating the most instantly destructive thing NOT a pinnacle achievement?

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>>41995945
>can literally force anyone on this planet to do as you want to because you can just anihilate them

pretty much. Just look at all the nations who do not have them, lots of "civil uprisings". Hard science which has brought us great weapons is truly the only thing that matters. The rest only manages to exist because someone else has these weapons too. But morals are still not really part of the equation. The people with morals just get tricked like the suckers that they are by people like pic related into doing "moral" (profit) driven stuff.

Its really the least of worth of many elements on this planet. Ideals however are something more noble. Aryan ones, but for that you would need to have some more unity.

BEEF

[spoiler]WHAT A RELIEF [/spoiler]

>>41995979
Nuclear energy is a huge achievement. Unlocking the power of the atom is certainly a good thing. But weaponizing it is the dumb part. Using it to destroy innocent lives and entire cities is idiotic. It's like humanity shooting itself in the foot.

>>41996033
Nuclear weapons are bad, yes. I shat my undies when people a few months ago were acting like the nukes were gonna fly. The weaponry is still a big achievement.

>>41996006
How is it any different from other weapons in that scenario? Yeah, you get to shit on the little guys when you have more firepower. Nothing in your argument is unique to nukes.

Let's skip your racebaiting for now though.

>>41996033
does morality matter if the other party is dead? On a micro scale, imagine me shooting you and your family dead, suddenly there is no more troublesome "morality" (a spook)here on this board

Violence and hard science are closer to one another than "morality" and science...or whatever it is that you have here with the vegan debates.

While violence may not be always applicable. Hard science will still fucking rape you and your family to death by an accumulation of targeted lifestyles, focuses on diets and many other variables.

Morality loses both in the arena of violence and the arena of truth. A person who does not kill you, but uses science to better himself will most likely still outperform you at a job, or at the pursuit of women. So who cares about your dumb morality. Its not useful. Well it was useful when we were actually stable and whole families, but that morality was tied closer to the truth.

>>41996090
>morality isn't useful
Are you like 16 or something? Is /fit/ /leftypol/?

>>41996134
morality is merely a genetic tool to make sure that the chances of similar genetic makeup also have a good chance to survive, increasing the overall chance of the gene.

When it applies to other species it no longer has that need or value, unless it drastically affects the availability of that resource. Which it also doesnt since we control the whole planet. Niggers are also not humans so we dont have to care about them.

So I see no problem and I do see that you guys are a problem, since you try to draw out morality from its natural state, to things that do not deserve it. Just like the furry freaks, or the autistic people who care more about trains than people.

giving morality too far means that you are a genetic defect.

>>41996090
I mean shit dude, morality is the reason you're fucking alive. You'd get gunned down on the street just for funsies if people didn't have morals.

>>41995930
Meat

>>41996173
>Morality doesn't apply to other species
>and I define other species to be people I don't like
I'm done arguing with you, my retard

>>41996177
How does killing a stranger benefit me now his amoral family is after me.

How the fuck are morals fit related?

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>>41981782
>Ever since I became a vegan I've noticed a bunch of perks that have improved my well being. I have more power in the gym and my gains have increased exponentially. Furthermore I'm feeling much more healthier overall. I feel less stressful since I'm not building my body with the meat of stressed animals. I'm more alert and I feel a sense of calm in my mind, knowing I'm true to my morals and I'm not needlessly killing sentient beings, which helps me concentrate on other tasks. My erections are harder and I've received more attention from the opposite sex. Women can see that I look healthier and many women care about the suffering of animals and admires my veganism.

>>41996177
again, similar genetics. If I am of similar genetics and I am not a hostile thing to other peoples genetics then there is no reason for me to be gunned down.

>>41996198
One could even make a case that chinese and a few other people are within our sphere of morality. But niggers are not, so are not most arabs. Very detrimental to our over survival chances. Very bad things. These things should be removed from the planet.

But meat is good and animals are delicious, and they are definitely not human, so who cares what they feel. Slaughter them humanely so that our women dont cry like the bitches that they are with scary pictures on the teevee. But thats it.

if we find ayylmaos we will fucking rape them. Why? Because fuck you.

>>41996217
>people act logically
Since fucking when

>>41996260
You can't even explain what makes something logical.

>>41996237
>there is no reason for me to be gunned down
>>41996260

>>41981782
>Why aren't you a vegan?
because i don't like sucking cock :/

>>41996266
That's where you want to take this argument? Some sort of post-modern subjectivist bulshit? I'm out.

>>41996283
What argument? I'm not whoever you're debating.

>>41981866

>legitimately thinks there's an industry that's killing dinosaurs to produce fossil fuels for humans

>>41996272
Why not? You never saw the goodness in giving your best friend pleasure?

>>41996268
No genetic reason there isnt. Who cares about the dead ends and the weirdo's who wont procreate, these are a non issue since they are eliminated naturally. All else points towards this truth that morality is nothing but a tool of maximized genetic potential chance increasing.

it is nothing more, it is nothing mystical. And its origin was made out of that. You can just start to wildy throw around retarded concepts. There are literally billions of them, all weird ways in which "morality" connects and interacts. Basically every little dumb fart in the human brain, every fucking stupid feeling and emotion ever connects and people think that its good or something.

Well its not, its stupid as shit and we managed to drag ourselves out of this endless insanity of monkeys typing on typewriters with science.

Anyone who drags the morality back into this arena is stupid as shit and should be mauled by 20 black bears. The only thing that matters is "is eating meat health and good for us", and the answer to that question is "yes". What you little crybabies and halfwomen cry about afterwards has no consequence to anything.

>>41995257

>this pastebin against vegan science is more or less high tier and well researched
>many of the research journals I went through myself

You kidding? Nearly every paper being cited is either misinterpreted or tangentially related to the claim posted with it. Incoming saved response of one of the more recent segments to that pastebin, starting with "Most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency ". If you're confident in the research, you should be able to respond to the criticism:

>>41996311
don't know, i'm just not into it like you guys :^(

>>41995257

>B12

Legitimate concern but not a legitimate criticism. Eat a fortified food or supplement B12.

>On paper, calcium intake is similar in vegetarians and omnivores (probably because both eat dairy products), but is much lower in vegans, who are often deficient.

Neither of your links talk about calcium deficiency. Without dairy, it's less likely that you'll hit the US goal of (I think) 1200mg/d, but the RDI set by the US is not necessarily the amount of calcium you need. Calcium RDIs vary around the world. The WHO recommends that in countries with high fracture rates, 400-500mg should be the minimum intake, while in countries with low fracture rates more than that isn't supported. They say there's a paradox because the countries with the highest fracture rates drink the most milk and get the most calcium, and that animal protein may work against calcium for bone health

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/trs916/en/gsfao_osteo.pdf (section 5.7.5)

>Vegetarians and omnivores have similar levels of serum iron, but levels of ferritin?the long-term storage form of iron?are lower in vegetarians than in omnivores.
>This is significant, because ferritin depletion is the first stage of iron deficiency

Iron is a two edged sword. Lack of iron causes anemia of course, while too much iron can promote disease. Reducing iron stores lowers cancer and overall mortality risk

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18612130

Heme iron, the highly absorbable form found especially in red meats, is implicated as a major reason why red meat is associated with colorectal cancer, diabetes, and heart disease. Iron is a highly reactive metal that causes oxidative stress in higher amounts, and unlike plant iron for which we have mechanisms to limit absorption of, the absorption of heme is uncontrollable.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25592152
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3261306/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941820/

>>41996358
>don't know
You're an embarrassment.

>>41995257
>>41994387
>>41996365

>many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption.
>Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50% more zinc than omnivores for this reason.

Quoting your first link here, right from the abstract

>>The health consequences of lower iron and zinc bioavailability are not clear, especially in industrialized countries with abundant, varied food supplies, where nutrition and health research has generally supported recommendations to reduce meat and increase legume and whole-grain consumption. Although it is clear that vegetarians have lower iron stores, adverse health effects from lower iron and zinc absorption have not been demonstrated with varied vegetarian diets in developed countries, and moderately lower iron stores have even been hypothesized to reduce the risk of chronic diseases.

So there's your last two points. Phytate content can be reduced by certain methods of preparing and cooking food as well, but it should also be pointed out that phytates themselves have health benefits, and have been associated with stronger bones (adding to the earlier comments about calcium)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17044765
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16080543
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22905230

Post a good vegan body that isn't on roids.

You can't.

>>41996380

>near total lack of two fat-soluble vitamins: A and D.

Vitamin D is a hormone your body normally synthesizes in response to sunlight. Food is not a practical way to get vitamin D, you either get enough sunlight, take a vitain D supplement (very common), or you don't get enough vitamin D.
As for vitamin A

>The idea that plant foods contain vitamin A is a common misconception. Plants contain beta-carotene, the precursor to active vitamin A (retinol). While beta-carotene is converted into vitamin A in humans, the conversion is inefficient.

It's a bit misleading to say the conversion is inefficient. It can be inefficient, because your body converts beta-carotene to meet its needs, converting less when the diet contains more vitamin A and converting more when no dietary retinol is taken. Retinol of course is toxic in higher amounts, while beta-carotene is benign and actually helpful in preventing disease by its antioxidant nature

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep26983

Like with heme iron, we have little way of dealing with an overload of vitamin A. Kind of bringing up calcium again, the vitamin A content of milk is something Harvard cites as a reason for why they don't recommend drinking milk to get calcium anymore

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/calcium-and-milk/

So, like with heme iron, it's something where on the surface it looks like "this nutrient absorbs better" or "this nutrient is already pre-formed for my body to use" but in reality it comes with risks, whereas obtaining it from plants is much safer and has added benefits.

I was a vegetarian for a year, not even full vegan and it was the worst decision of my life. Destroyed my hormones and made me gain weight. I was such an irritable little bitch the whole time too. It seriously was the worst year of my life and I will never make that decision ever again.

>>41996355
>>41996365
Really, guys you love to obfuscate facts and misrepresent journals. Saying things like "well this doesnt apply to veganism!"

>the author assume that the lack of creatine is the cause

and a bunch of other dumb stuff. None of these things were truly well debunked. Its mostly just shit slinging of low IQ tards.

You discard the additional science cardio, or use your cherry picked journals where your sample sizes are above average sporters

and then you discard generic advice on how to lower LDL cholesterol with cardio and sports and why it does that.

Your side of the camp is full of shit. Mostly not worthy of talking to.

>>41996394
Dairy and eggs are worse than meat. Vegetarianism is pointless.

>>41982578
If you got doubts about vegans being weak little bitches just look at how emotional and defensive they get
While you had real health concerns they just think you are a big jerk
>>41982797
>>41995007

>>41995121
Ramen packet seasoning isn't vegan you retarded faggot

>>41996380
Isnt that research piece from a generic study of a whole population. Look what I had in my picture. A link to a proper diet with proper fats, an "elite omnivore" diet is what I proposed. Searching for an upper limit of dietary cholesterol. Fug, so much stuff, if you actually had enough room in your brain you could actually run these different truths together to form a wholer picture. But you guys just dont, care do you. You got somekind of mental block (probably insanity) that prevents you from storing and processing this data.

>>41996411

Not sure what you're replying to but it isn't anything posted in those posts

> you discard generic advice on how to lower LDL cholesterol with cardio and sports and why it does that.

Never heard anyone deny that exercise is good to help lower LDL. Why you're ignoring the effect of diet as well, I don't get.

>>41995602
>The ADA is sponsored by every toxic food megaconglomerate on earth.
and yet they say all those foods are garbage, and a vegan diet is superior. makes you think

>>41996431

>Look what I had in my picture

The random scraps of out of context things you're trying to patch together to support your worldview?

>Searching for an upper limit of dietary cholesterol

There's another misinterpreted paper from your pastebin

>"Why you need cholesterol"
>https://www.nap.edu/read/11537/chapter/13

Link explicitly says that you don't need to eat cholesterol, and that dietary cholesterol has no upper limit because any incremental increase in what you eat raises heart disease risk. It says the opposite of what you're implying it says, but apparently some people just see a science link and take your word that it says something else.

And now rather than defend your bullshit, you pretend that I'm the one with the mental block and you just can't be bothered to refute my comments.

>>41996435
Its basically the advise of most governments and institutions. Legally binding too, doctors could go to jail for it if they didnt say that. Probably something to do with faster, larger bloodflow, metabolism things.

>>41996557
its hard to figure out where you are lying or skewing the general perception of a research article, your people do it quite frequently, hoping that nobody reads the article to correct you. Not sure I wanna waste my time with that.

its also quite funny that you guys still come here even though you were blasted apart time and time again in other threads

even things like the shrinking digestion track and our exploding unused end (we dont even have 4 stomachs like cows), nor the many other sciences that say how our paleo ancestors have lived and what they did. Neither the fact that whites have DNA better suited to digest fats (also not widely separated in research). I am not sure why the mods dont just ban you already.

>>41996692

>Its basically the advise of most governments and institutions

Again, nobody's arguing that exercise isn't healthy. You seem to be arguing that we can ignore the effects of diet because exercise is good for us, as if cancelling out some of the benefits of exercise by eating unhealthy things is a smart healthy strategy.

>its hard to figure out where you are lying or skewing the general perception of a research article... hoping that nobody reads the article to correct you

I think it can be pretty damn easy. When you're arguing that we need dietary cholesterol, and the link you provide says in the first paragraph that we don't need dietary cholesterol and that eating dietary cholesterol puts you at higher risk of heart disease, there's very little I can do to skew the article. You're blatantly lying to people in a way where it's impossible that you did it unintentionally.

>its also quite funny that you guys still come here even though you were blasted apart time and time again in other threads

Been posting that rebuttal of those links in every thread since they first appeared, nobody has even touched them except for one guy trying to contest the retinol thing, which he lost. >>41922364

Despite that, you willingly repost information you know is bullshit because you're not trying to be right, you're trying to "win" and being dishonest is the only way you can "beat the vegans"

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>>41996792
>Again, nobody's arguing that exercise isn't healthy. You seem to be arguing that we can ignore the effects of diet because exercise is good for us, as if cancelling out some of the benefits of exercise by eating unhealthy things is a smart healthy strategy.

That is not what the point is, the point is that before in order to get meat one had to exercise, therefore it probably accommodated well with our genetics.

It is something what every human should do in the first place. And one of the additional benefits for you is that you can eat more meat. Just because most humans of today lead sedentary lives doesnt mean that meat is bad. There are just some requirements for eating it to remain optimal.

also, you mean pic related? Yea that may be true, but it is still important for testosterone. There is even talk of genetic factors which are probably these

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/europeans-genes-fat-neanderthals_n_5083408.html

You do not get the larger picture, but yea, the "need" may not be correct, but certainly with some people like Europeans, they could metabolzie it better, not have the same rate of LDL response to it, and gain more nutrients from it than from plants as one can see in >>41994387

Also better protein than plants. Again, I believe that your brain is too small to house the whole picture of bio evolutionary science and the many facets of meat. If you actually had enough IQ points this path of elite omnivorism would be natural.

>>41996906

>the point is that before in order to get meat one had to exercise, therefore it probably accommodated well with our genetics.

Appeal to paleo and assumptions about "what our genetics probably want us to" are not an argument.

> you mean pic related? Yea that may be true, but it is still important for testosterone

That's also bullshit, and even in the pic you see that it states "all tissues are capable of synthesizing enough cholesterol to meet their metabolic and structural needs." That includes leydig cells. Dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with testosterone production. It's not a benefit.

You tell me I need to get "the larger picture" but your "larger picture" is a hypothesis you made up with no data, that you think just sounds good because "I'm sure my genes will fix everything. genes are magic"

If you have any research that you really feel is strong, link it and I'll take a look at it tonight. In the meantime, at least take those other links out of your pastebin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jNa55-RGJ4

get the fuck in here, vegan stains debating a monkey

>>41996906
also to add: I reworded the link in the pastebin to be more accurate, did not spot that one before.

But yea, even if dietary cholesterol has no need to be taken in, the nutrients in meats still are too good to pass up. The article also mentions that one cannot adequately eliminate it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3292202/

Also details it AND ITS LINEAR PROGRESSION OF INCREASED LDL.

That is why I advocated for limited cholesterol in my picture. Again, one does not understand the larger picture? Pretty much all of my pastebin is nearly legally binding at this point as it is the recommendations of most nations on diets.

>>41996985
appeal to paleo which is a guess on how our genetics interact with us, is a good thing, in the absence of more solid data from either sides since research is limited.

and exercise does lower LDL

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2297284

as I have posted in my pastebin.

So that suggests that the paleo lore of hunter gathers eating meat, hunting for it is correct, since they had to "exercise" for it. Any the hypothesis is just "evolution theory" on which the western civilization rests now since we killed god. The american heart association agrees with me

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/PhysicalActivity/Physical-Activity_UCM_001080_SubHomePage.jsp

I could probably sue you in court for money and win even.

>>41992784
>natty
>vegan
Choose one.

>>41997099
Ranting Numale is gonna flee any second now

post pic

>>41997145
I've counted over 100 vegan threads in the last few weeks. Not once has a vegan posted their body. You know why? Because they don't lift. They aren't fit.

>>41997077
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

also lol

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227

more test on meat

>>41997176
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/04/25/saturated-fat-finally-vindicated.aspx

seriously, there is no wonder that I call my pastebin the vegan slaughterhouse.

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>>41981782
>buying meat is ok
>jacking off to girls getting fucked by dogs isn't ok

>>41997026
oh god hes talking about ayylmao's now and them killing us or not, and the numale went to that retard area of morality? Jesus.

>what if a giant bear came and raped your mother

levels of quality here, make believe morality horsecrap.

>>41985586

What a nutcase. How is he not in looney bin.

>>41997609
Why are you replying to yourself, Richard?

>>41981782
I am almost vegan, but I still eat eggs because they're really convenient and an integral part of the breakfast I like to make myself. I'm not at a good point in my life to change that right now, but in the future I hope to either stop eating eggs or research more heavily the brands around me to see if there's an ethical source, since I do believe that, unlike dairy, eggs can be produced fairly ethically without totally crippling your business.

>>41995860
Yeah, probably.

>>41997696
What does any of that have to do with fitness?

>>41997732
The OP asked why I'm not vegan yet. I was just saying why.

>>41997752
you idiot he was asking me not you

op and i were having a conversation until you butted in fag

>>41997752
What the fuck do ethics have to do with fitness?

I'm not a vegan because I value my liking of meat more than the lives of stupid animals
Try to argue with that, vegcucks
>protip: anthropomorphising animals is not a legit argument

I'm not retarded

>>41997803
Can you explain what any of that has to do with fitness?

>>41997757
I'm so sorry; I promise it won't happen again.
>>41997782
Nothing? I mean maybe something in the sense that depending on your ethics you might not do certain things to get fit, but that wasn't what I was getting at. I just took the OP's post at face value and tried to answer his question, but unfortunately it seems like I've butted in on a conversation and once again I AM SO SORRY

>>41997819

I really hope you are being sarcastic right now

>>41997819
Does this kid have autism?

>>41997817
Did you read the OP?
I just answered the question

>>41997831
Please my apology is genuine IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN

>>41997861
It has nothing to do with fitness you fucking retard.

>>41997857
Yes it makes it hard for me to interpret social situations like who is talking to whom which has led to my current predicament.

>>41997874
How is that fitness related?

>>41997881
Many autistic people have trouble going to the gym because they are afraid of groups of people.

Pescetarian master race checking in

You plebs may continue now

>>41997891
How is that fitness related? Answer the question.

>>41997899
How is that related to fitness?

>>41997909
Are you asking me how gyms are fitness related?

>>41997870
Neither does the OP, it's just a guy listing his placebo experiences
I just responded to the needless killing part

>>41997916
I am asking you how vegetarianism, veganism, pescetarianism, and autism are in any way related to fitness. Are you going to keep failing to answer?

>>41997923
>Neither does the OP
No shit, Sherlock. What the fuck does your answer have to do with fitness?

>>41997937
Are you just simply autistic? Because you asked the same thing and got the same answer like 10 times now

>>41997937
Vegetarianism, veganism, and pescetarianism are related to fitness in the sense that they are diets and diets define your nutrition (sort of to an extent, since the body will naturally produce certain things if you don't get enough of them via diet). I guess they're further related to fitness because, right or wrong, a lot of people feel that you need meat to get gains, and so if someone felt otherwise it would be relevant to fitness for them to produce an argument for being able to get big without eating meat. That is, the discussion around whether or not you can be fit on a certain diet is inherently related to fitness.
Autism isn't related to fitness, I was just fucking around but it's getting boring.

>>41997962
I'll stop asking when you answer the question. What do any of your posts in this thread have to do with fitness?

>>41997977
And what do ethics have to do with fitness?

>>41997993
I don't they they necessarily have anything to do with fitness, though if someone thought a certain fitness product was unethical then that would be a situation in which ethics related to fitness. For instance, if it was found out that, say, some protein powder producer was killing people to use in their powder, I think people would definitely discuss that on here. So that's one way in which ethics can have something to do with fitness.
A neat argument might be that it's ethical to be fit because it allows you to, say, be more useful in emergency situations. So there's another way that ethics might be related to fitness. I think you could probably think of a lot of examples.

>>41998048
Yeah but nobody will kill people to get protein. We've got animals for that.

>>41998062
What does that statement have to do with your question about how ethics relate to fitness and my answer?
I was giving a hypothetical situation in which ethics would relate to fitness. I didn't think it needed to be one that literally exists and is happening right now. I could give one of those if you'd like (well, another one since my other example was valid).

>>41998048
Yes supplement companies are related to fitness. How the fuck are animal ethics related to fitness.

>>41998101
Animal ethics? The guy just asked for ethics in general, so I went with that.
However, I guess if you believed that animals had moral value, then a supplement company, which you admit relates to fitness, using animal products would relate animal ethics to fitness.

>>41997134
>numale != vegan
>laughingwhores.jpg

>>41998091
I think I'll have another serving. since last time I checked there weren't any milk animals around to be harvested for protein powder creation

>>41998116
You are correct in your statement that Ranting Numale is not a vegan.

>>41998133
Milk is an animal product.

>>41998145
then I'm to dim to get the comparison of humans dying to create protein powder. As far as I know cows don't die from milking?

>>41998145
Explain how milk being an animal product in any way relates to fitness.

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>>41981815
>he has a green skin because his parents are black and white
>doesn't know the color wheel

KEK

>>41998173
ever wrote with a black felt tip on white paper? It will turn green

>>41995516
>What is gear for $600 Alex?

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Veganism is antithetic to everything we strive for on this board.

>>41998163
I wasn't creating a comparison between the two, I was giving the person I was responding to a situation in which ethics would relate to fitness.
Although, just to answer your question-statement thing, the logistics of dairy production essentially necessitate the death of the cows. If you support the dairy industry you essentially support the meat industry.
>>41998172
see
>>41998115

>>41998207
next thing you tell me is that work is bad since the logistics of our society necessitate the death of people
But to be nice, since you are sad about those cows dying. They would not exist if we didn't breed them to produce milk no?

>>41998231
Why are you replying to yourself?

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>>41998237
pardon me I'm trying to hold a conversation here in the fitness section of a socialist cooking board

>>41998231
No, I mean like the two industries are directly connected. What do you think they do with male cows on dairy farms? Cows have to give birth to lactate, which gives you an excess of foals. What do you think they do with those? This isn't one of those "well some number of people will die because we have cars" connection, this is a direct connection between the industries. Because of how dairy production works, it's almost impossible to do it without killing a lot of cows and still make money.
I'm not even making an argument for it being a bad thing, I was just saying how it might be an ethical issue for some people because people were asking me how animal ethics might relate to fitness.
But since you brought it up, I'll note that I don't think "well it wouldn't be alive if we didn't make it to kill it" is moral reasoning that would be consistent with the rest of what you think in general. For instance, by that logic it would be moral for me to create a human child and then kill it at a later point, because the fact that he got to experience human existence at all outweighs his death.

>>41998264
What does any of that have to do with fitness you fucking mongrel?

>>41998283
see
>>41998115

>>41998290
You're not saying how animal ethics relate to fitness.

>>41998294
I did in the post I advised you to see.

>>41998301
You are saying whey protein relates to fitness. You keep failing to answer how ethics relate to fitness.

>>41998320
Right, and whey protein has animal products in it.
Some people find animal products to be unethical, and so that's one way in which animal ethics can relate to fitness. To really spell it out for you, here's the path I'm taking here

animal ethics -> animal products -> whey protein -> fitness

>>41998264
Feel free to tell us how any of this has anything to do with fitness.

>>41998334
see
>>41998115
Though I mean I was mostly just responding to the guy's post, since he asked a question. I didn't come here to argue for/against animal ethics, but people started asking me how animal ethics might relate to fitness, so I provided some examples. I wouldn't really place my response to the guy as specifically relating to fitness, but rather just answering a question he had.

>>41997343
>When you can't understand hypothetical situations are like a retard

>>41998301
I think that what he (correctly) is implying is that you are too far away from fitness related topics.

The whole world is interconnected, and if you would use every single connection, you could basically cover the entire spectrum of what is know.

Veganism more or less is way too many connections away from fitness. From relevance. Your home would be more at cooking than at this board. Or at reddit veganism...you could probably argue a stronger case for cars. Saying how lifting improves your body, and how in turn you could get a better job, more money (3 links now) and thus should shop for an aesthetic car (4 links?)

try doing this kind of thing anecdotally on wikipedia, try clicking 3 of the links and see how far you can go, if its still related to the topic.

>>41998355
I agree with that, but the question was initially how ethics can be related to fitness, so I gave some examples, then it was animal ethics, so I gave some examples there. It became less related to fitness when the guy tried starting to actually argue animal ethics in an abstract sense, like I noted above.

That said, I am mostly just fucking around because while I am in my bailey of animal ethics relating in certain ways to fitness, I can easily jump back in my motte of "not every post on every board will be specifically related to the subject of the board it's on, and that this isn't a bad thing".

>>41998419
Its too far off to be related to fitness. Thats the point, I think that veganism and vegetarianism should be banned.

Things like the elite omnivore diet are closer to fitness because there are no ethics in between. Its fitness>testosterone>proper diet for testosterone

very few links

but you guys...oh god

there is no testosterone, you start off with "animal ethics" right off the bat. That has nothing to do with it. Its not a great segment of eating or food. Its a fringe cult that is closer to feelings on animals than science.

>>41998446
so I kinda have to sleep but to add to my post:

>big muuscles > ethics
>/fit/ is liking big mooscles
>testosterone is big moosles
>ethics in animals =/ big mooscles, primary component is feel good, not mooscles
>feel good about social things =/ fitness
>sticky /= feelgood things on ethics not related to fitness
>history of board =/ feelgood things not related to fitness

>>41998446
I think you're misunderstanding me. I am talking individual posts. You have to accept that a lot of posts on every board aren't specifically related to the topic of the board, and that it would be really weird and restricting to enforce a rule like that.
I think that you think that I'm arguing that this thread shouldn't be bannable, which I don't agree with. I think it's a joke thread that the OP only related to fitness a little. That said, an actual thread about fitness with respect to certain diets is very relevant to this board and should be allowed. I don't think a thread about animal ethics specifically is very relevant to this board; a /fit/ vegan/vegetarian thread should be pretty much on the nutrition side of things, I'm just arguing that individual posts shouldn't be held to the same standards.
>>41998473
night m8

>>41998480
vegetarianism has little to do with fitness, thats the point. You are closer to the cooking board than to this board, therefore it makes you invalid to be on this board. I hereby motion to by default ban all vegetarianism and generic plant eaters.

also goodnight.

>>41998517
No matter how hard you scream no matter how hard you whine no matter how hard you moan you can't stop them from posting here. You little bitch.

>>41998517
Right, but I'm saying that if someone wanted to make a thread for how to stay fit while being vegetarian, then that would relate to this board. That seems really obvious to me, honestly. In the same way that you could make a thread about any diet and being fit while on it. Sweet dreams.

>>41981782
>less stressful since I'm not building my body with the meat of stressed animals

Nigga what?

vegans were a mistake

>>41981782
Vegans are weak.

>>41981990
>Nobody wants fucking cancer
Good, because you won't get it. Animal products being blamed for cancer is bad science and bullshit dietary memes
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/1zjlm/scienceanimal_protein_rich_diets_could_be_harmful/cfupxyt/?st=j403pmhn&sh=b3278c44
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=eggs
>(cont.)

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>>42000325
>(cont.)
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of <68pg/ml the subjects in the Maruyama study would have elevated E1 levels to begin with, if the measurement was correct.
>difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.

>>41997077

>appeal to paleo which is a guess on how our genetics interact with us, is a good thing, in the absence of more solid data

It's not a good thing, because you're using it in place of any data. Science says what you're eating may be harmful? "Well I bet my genes will fix everything because cavemen durr"

>and exercise does lower LDL

For the third time, nobody said otherwise. But why would you only use exercise to lower cholesterol while knowingly eating a diet that raises cholesterol? It's counter-productive.

>>41997176

As always, you don't even bother to read what you post. You think it's good enough that it looks sciency

>During exercise after 6 wk on the diets total T was also significantly lower on the V than on the M diet (P < 0.05).

You cherry pick that and go "gotcha" even though the very next sentence is

>Serum free testosterone, however, did not differ significantly during the 6 wk dietary intervention periods and neither did serum concentrations of sex hormone binding globulin, dihydrotestosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, 4-androstenedione, estrone, estradiol, estrone sulphate, or gonadotropins.

The other studies don't even measure free T and some aren't even related to what you're claiming

>also lol
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11103227
>more test on meat

Already went through this one in another thread >>41992003

If you won't bother reading your own evidence, don't post it as an argument.

>>41981782
>My erections are harder and I've received more attention from the opposite sex.

I get this from nofap without having to stop hurting animals.

>>41998140
>not knowing how >implying implications work

>>41981782
>Women can see that I look healthier and many women care about the suffering of animals and admires my veganism

Chad eats pizza and fucks your oneitis whilst you post "pls b vegan" threads on /fit/

>>42003036
You don't get to sage without me noticing

>>42003129
Fight me!

>>42003136
lol no
sage

>>42003210
(you)