Free weights vs machines

>>41948526
Same situation with me, machines are way easier I believe but you don't hit all muscle groups only isolated muscle, which also makes you look big but you won't have too much usefull strength

>>41948526
People refuse to pay the extortionate gym fees of they go in one and there are only free weights. You need machines to trick people into paying for them. Then they give you those shitty inductions to show you how to not break them.

It's all a con. The ancient Greeks did not have treadmills or whatever other gym machine shit.

>>41948578
They didn't have dumbbells and barbells either you fucking mong.

>>41948608
yeah but they still had heavy shit that they would pick up and move around to cultivate muscle

barbells are more balanced forms of that heavy shit

>>41948526
Used to be like you. Only using machines. Started using barbells and dumbells and felt the difference. Definitely the way to go!

All that matters is that you're hitting all your muscles to near failure 2-3x per week in a set rep scheme using as much volume as you can handle. Machines can achieve this.

>>41948608
The Greeks did have those actually

>>41948526
Bad news: you wasted your time. In a year of freeze weights a beginner can put on 10-20lbs of pure muscle mass as well as reach intermediate levels of strength this acquiring about or over 60% of all the muscle gains you will ever make in your lifetime drug free. On machines you can expect next to no gains.

>>41948716
No. Incomplete. Wrong. Not all that matters. Progressive overload matters. Muscle recruitment matters. Diet matters. Actual scientific evidence matters. The sticky matters.

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>>41948567
>>41948578
>>41948696
>>41948716
>>41948834
Alright fuck me then. Oh well at least just going to the gym helped my confidence a bit. Will start free-weighting, thanks for the help

>>41948857
All of which can be accomplished on machines.
>nametrip faggot
just hang yourself already you dumb twat

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>>41948834
>putting your weights in the freezer

>>41948834
>not lifting freeze weights
>not exercising using giant bags of frozen vegetables and chicken breast to make muscle gains
Ive been doing it wrong all along

Machines are bullshit. You can max out machines like the overhead press and stuff and only be able to really press a 1/3 that. They are not a COMPLETE waste of time though.

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>>41948608

LOL! 15 year old detected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halteres_(ancient_Greece)

>>41949399
The goal for 99% of people is not to "press a lot", the goal is strength (or aesthetics). If The Press™ helps you get there then great. If you max out on a machine then obviously you would switch.

Waste of dubs