IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET 2/3/4/5 WITHOUT ROIDS??

>>41940199
if you severely neglect lower body lifts so they only progress as fast as your overhead press, a compound actively using about 10% of your bodies musculature

>>41940199

2plate OHP is a very hard goal to reach without getting fat as fuck.
I don't think its possible to get there while lean and natty for 9/10 people.

The rest are all achievable without roids for sure though.

>>41940199
Yes but you'll need a squat suit, bench shirt, deadlift suit, and OHP blazer.

>>41940269
>not wearing the OHP bracelets
m8...

>>41940269
>he hasn't collected the 4 rings of power

>>41940199
Depends on your bodyweight and frame.

>>41940199
you can go atleast 2/3/5/6 easily natty

>>41940199
Sure, all you need is poor form

sry fro being scrub but havent lurked in a while 2/3/4/5= ohp/bench/squat/dead?

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>>41941087

Yes.

>>41941097
Thx, anyways at 90-95 kg u should be able to 2/3,5/5/6 at least if u actually lift to get strong and not only to look like a beach ready twat.

>>41941114
>OHP 3 plates
>Bench 5 plates

Wew lad.

>>41941806
it was clearly 3.5 plates

I have never seen a white natty who isn't fat as fuck OHP 2pl8.

I just hit 4/3/2/1 natty. I'm at 200 lbs. Is the only way to achieve 5/4/3/2 to get fat and perma bulk?

>>41941870

Depends on genetics really.

5pl8 dl is easily achievable (I have a 6plate deadlift natty lean)
4pl8 squat is the same, I'm close and have no doubt I'll get it soon.
3pl8 bench is getting into the realms of leverages and genetics playing a large part in whether you can get it natty and lean.
2pl8 OHP is only for the 1% of genetically superior outliers.

>>41940199
I started the gym at 14 and made it to 2/3/4/5 at 16 natty

You can do it if you dont have shit genetics

>>41941989

No you didn't.
Please stop telling fibs.

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>>41942004
I'm not lying, I was going to the gym for 4 hours a day and eating a shit ton of protein.

>>41942031

Please stop fibbing.

>>41940199
i'd say two years of training would get you everything but the OHP. OHP is one of the toughest to progress and can take a while. If you follow a powerlifting style routine that compounds the issue by a lack of frequency. So don't neglect accessory movements even if you feel like shit.

>>41942052

Have you achieved those stats, aside from the OHP?

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>>41940227
>I don't think its possible to get there while lean and natty for 9/10 people.

Oh yeah? See you in a decade faggot

>>41942064
currently sitting slightly above those with 195/335/480/585 after probably 10 years on and off training

I've had better lifts before in college, after about 3 years I was 205/3.25/5/6, but I've had multiple surgeries since then and am turning 32. Might be time to hop on TRT if i want to beat my old PRs, but I've just been maintaining and doing other things like circuit training and not pushing the lifts so hard.

>>41940199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3r2lytys8

damn matt ogus is natty as fuck

>>41941013
Kek, yeah sure if you're a woman
>not getting at least 6/10/16/20 after 3 months of ss and GOMAD
never gonna make it

>>41940433
>>41940562
Tell me more about these bracelets and rings of power.

it's entirely possible

but man, that one extra plate takes SUCH a long time compared to 1/2/3/4

The point of 1/2/3/4 is the ratio between the lifts..
2/3/4/5 makes no sence.. it should be 2/4/6/8 if anything but thats hardly possible for anybody

>>41941870
>1/2/3/4 at 200lbs

Congratulations on achieving intermediate on symmetric strength.

>>41940199

Yeah I can confirm 2.5/4/5/6 is def possible natty. I weigh between 195 and 215 pounds lifting for 8 years.

Takes a really serious regiment with a lot of food water and rest to progress. I was stuck at 3plate bench for 2 years cause i didnt want to eat a lot.

After you hit your strength goals like once a week for a month you can cut down on food, drop a ton of weight, and you maintain the strength.

>>41942204
I'm not memeing. dyel?

>>41940199
sit down shoulder press machines are bullshit they impinged my shoulder.

>>41945842
Isn't OP a lat pull-down machine?

>>41945562
2/4/6/8 is not the same ratio as 1/2/3/4, you're forgetting the bar.

>>41945573
If you can do it for reps you're advanced

>2pl8 ohp

Do you guys have adamantium shoulder joints and elbows? Because I swear I can feel my bones grinding at 90

>>41945715

Not him.

You can, but it is FAR from easy and for most natural lifters pretty much the upper limit.

>>41945918
For a healthy male, 220kg squat isn't the maximal attainable strength.

2pl8 OHP by far the hardest, should be more like 2/3.5/5/6 imo

>>41946037

Could be accurate.
My max OHP is 92.5kg and my max DL is 6pl8.
Squat is nowhere near 5 tho.

>>41945881
But anon, that's not what he said. For reps is retarded and arbitrary anyway. A 225 3rm will give about the same score as a 225 1rm on symmetric strength, but a 10rm is wildly different. Nobody knows what you dyels mean when you say "for reps".

>>41945858
this might explain my problem