Why do people say starting strength is just a meme?

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>>41845368

>>41845368
its good, It just lacks some upper body exercises and maybe a bit of vlume. Which is easy to add, just do an extra set of 8 on upper body lifts and add chest isolation and curls.

>>41845376
this isn't just anyone this is someone rippetoe personally trained so THIS is peak performance.

You may not like it, but that's what peak SS looks like.

Its an amazing beginner programme like you said, the beef people (new to lifting) it will not make you aesthetic at all.

>>41845385
isn't that just strong lifts then?

>>41845376
It's a beginner program to build strength before moving onto more specified programs, don't know why people are expecting something else out of it.

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41845368
read the book its worth it whether you want to run the program or not. Though after reading you will realize 95% of /fit/ is unable to read a book due to horrid attention spans and thats where all the SS memes come from.
Im 3 months in my lifts for 5RM are
125 OHP
190 bench
280 squat
350 deadlift

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41845368
SS is a perfectly legitimate beginner's program. Once you hit .5/1/1.5/2, you should change to a different program.

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>>41845482
R u retarded. Those r beginner numbers. Ss takes you to intermediate u fucking bullshitting retard

>>41845482
>lmao5pl8 OHP
Never gonna make it.

It depends on your lift goals. If youre lifting to look good Id go with something different. Ss is just str.

>>41845482
That's like 3-4 weeks of training. You should change to a different program when SS doesn't work anymore, despite adequate nutrition, rest, form, and adherence to the program. Not random arbitrary (and embarrassingly weak) numbers.

>>41845368
Because people squat for 6 months and expect to look like Zyzz.

>>41845436
Strong lift is a cpy of the earliest version of SS. With rows instead of power clean and 5x5 instead of 3x5.
SS have chins too, and adding a fourth set of 8 simply adds more volume. The isolation is needed because chest is barely worked, and biceps arent worked enough. Stronglift does not cover this as well.

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>>41845368
Because kids fuck around on it for FAR too long - it's called Starting Strength for a reason.

If you're consistent and adding weight each workout, you should out grow it in 4-6 months tops.

But people don't, because they just fuck around, don't eat properly, skip workouts, still carry on with their lazy and unhealthy lifestyles, then get all pissy when nothing happens.

Same goes far all the "starting" routines.

>>41845385
I do a modified version of SS where added dips on workout A and replaced pendlay rows with pull-ups on workout B. Also bar bicep curls once a week but cut them off by now because it started to cause forearm pain. Will switch it to dumbell curl soon

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>>41845368

this guy did starting strength

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK MARK.

>>41845368
>Because people are lazy and take it too far instead of doing research and finding another good program to transition after the first 4-6 months of training. A good strenght base will help you in a hypertrophy program.

>Because Mark tries to force the "Mass comes with strenght" meme a few times in the book. Coincidentally, he has written another book on strength training for intermediate bodybuilders.

>Because everyone has unrealistic expectations and as a beginner's program, most people who hit the gym for three months and don't look like Zyzz blame the book for it.

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>>41845385
Picture related, dipshit.

>>41846525
FUCKING THIS

>>41845507
Would strong lifts be a better program if I want both strength and aesthetics?

>>41845457
Because everytime someone who wants to start lifting and looking better asks what a good beginner program is, dumbass DYELs recommend SS.

You can't just tell someone who wants to workout for aesthetics that they should do SS, and then when they become fatasses you say "Well it was never an aesthetic program :)!"

>>41846627
>starting S-T-R-E-N-G-T-H
I thought not reading the book was dumb, but some retards manage to not know what the acronym means

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Pic related is becoming a meme at this point but it's a shining example of why reading the fucking sticky works.

SS in the sticky includes weighted dips and chin-ups as well as a few other accessories for later down the line. Even the meme guy >>41845376 looks strong and proportionate, his bodyfat% is just too high.

If you're already ~20% bodyfat then your body already has an anabolic environment necessary for muscle growth, so a very small calorie surplus is all that's required. Rippetoe himself has said this.

The only time SS doesn't work is when the person doing it is retarded.

I can't do powercleans, the trainers at my gym don't know how to teach me it.

What do?

>>41845368
I prefer stronglifts 5x5 but either is a great beginner workout

>>41846882
i think you've gotta have some killer genes to get abs like that from squats & deads anon

or maybe i just wasn't eating enough idk

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>>41845368
THANK YOU FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41847068
squat 315 for 3x5 while at 12% bf and show me "no abs"

>>41847587
to be fair I'm pretty sure everyone would have abs at 12% bodyfat

>>41846627
What is a beginners aesthetics retuine?

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>>41847637
thats the point, people worrying about not having abs because of not doing isolation exercises are uneducated in fitness and need to get under the bar and squat

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>>41847651
spend 3-4 months hitting 1/2/3/4 on SS then switch to an intermediate bodybuilding routine
The point of SS is to build base strength. If you do the bodybuilding routine off the bat its worthless. Benching 135 is not gonna build anyone a big chest

>>41845521
Strictly untrue.

Most stronglifts accessories are based on the chest - pause bench, push ups, dips, etc.

>>41846627
How the fuck would SS make you a fatass? The only way it would make you a fatass is if you didn't push your workouts hard and you went GOMAD. But it's pretty explicit that GOMAD isn't for EVERYONE only the tiny hard gainer types.

>>41846964
Pendlay Rows m8

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41845385

>Lacks volume

It's a beginner program, it isn't meant to have terribly high volume, because a beginner can't handle that as well.

>>41845507

>If youre lifting to look good Id go with something different.

Name a program that will put more muscle on a rank novice

PROTIP: You can't.

And since muscle is what looks good, SS is the perfect program for novice aestheticfags

>>41846584

That is a version of the routine in The Book, I believe specifically for someone who refuses to eat and sleep enough. Hence never deadlifting twice a week.

The Program, in its purest form, is
A: Squat 3x5 Bench (or OHP) 3x5 Deadlift 1x5
B: Squat 3x5 OHP (or Bench, just alternating with the other press on A) 3x5, Chin Ups 3x8
AxBxAxx
BxAxBxx

For a couple weeks, when you start adding power cleans 5x3 before the chin ups on B.

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

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>>41846882
>If you're already ~20% bodyfat then your body already has an anabolic environment necessary for muscle growth, so a very small calorie surplus is all that's required.
Explain this, please, more fat - more resources for the muscle growth? If so I'm going to call this "mass effect".

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>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK!

>>41849638
The lower body has almost twice the volume as the upper body. So it lacks some upper body volume.

>>41845482
I've been going to the gym for 3 weeks and other than bench I've already hit all of those.

Thanks for the milk, Mark

>>41847651
juggernaut beginners, you can ignore the videos.
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2016/03/07/considerations-for-beginners/

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i can't power clean, low bar squat, high bar squat, front squat, ohp, bench press or row

all these lifts fuck my shoulders, knees and back up. i'm not a beginner either i've already tried every form technique known to man.

what routine should i do? keep in mind i already have one i just want to see you defend your autism beginner routine.

>>41849744
Its probably technique, and/or lack of flexibility. You could also be uncoordinated. Which is difficult to spot if you train by yourself. Without an expert. Its nearly impossible to spot the mistakes in your technique by yourself.

>>41849761
lol you're dumb

>>41845368
Thanks from the milk, Mark.

>>41849744
>i've already tried every form technique known to man.
didn't try the right one obviously

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK!

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>>41845368
Because people unironically think that this is what you are supposed to do for 4+ years on SS

>>41849803
i do alternatives to them. i have my own gym and equipment and all the time and dedication in the world to practice lifts. those lifts always caused me agony. no point in doing them when i have a football bar, dip belt, safety squat bar, cambered bar, trap bar and dumbbells available to me. honestly i'd love to be able to do such a minimalistic routine like you guys. i envy you. but you're smoking crack if you think i'm uncoordinated or haven't already given it my all. i'm like captain autism or everything i do. i try literally EVERYTHING. i practice everything. watch everything. read everything. and i have nothing better to do than practice every day for years and years.

>>41849744
Lift with your mind. Take a stick like it's a barbell and do every exercise while straining every muscle engaged in it. Protip: you'd probably fail first, for many reps.

>>41849898
Wait a sec, when are are agonizing, on the next day? It's called DOMS, lel, and means you're doing well.

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>>41849649
Read the sticky. Its explained there. Long story short is the body burns fat instead of muscle to keep going so you get gainz
Also Kek'd

>>41845368

THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41850013
Gotta read it again, yeah. Also that's the case when cardio is not killing gains, right?

>>41845368
SS worked for me. After 4 months i added dips, pull ups, OHP and pendlay rows.

>>41850051
>SS worked for me
>after 4 months added OHP

I don't think you did SS man

>>41849649
>machines cant kill everyone if reapers kill them first

>>41849649
>can't force a conversation if i should go

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>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41847669

Let me guess, you think deadlifts develops arms too.

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>>41845376

Meanwhile, 6-8 months of training without any lifting.

>>41845368

TFTMM

>>41851007
So it took you 8 months to drop ~10-15lbs and gain exactly zero muscle? Not really that impressive anon

Workout A

Squat 3/5×4-6
Bench 3/5×4-6
Pendlay Row 3/5×4-6
Overhead Barbell Extension 3×6-10
Barbell/Dumbbell Preacher Curl 3×6-10
Stiff-Legged Deadlift/Good Morning 2-3×6-10
Weighted Plank 3×30-60s

Workout B

Squat 3/5×4-6
Paused Overhead Press 3/5×4-6
Deadlift 1x5
Close-Grip Bench Press 3×6-8
Weighted Chin-up 3×3-5
Weighted Plank 3×30-60s

What do you guys think of manlet destiny routine with the variations just subbed for the normal lifts?

>>41849638
And another Ripp's cock rider.

>It's a beginner program, it isn't meant to have terribly high volume, because a beginner can't handle that as well.
If he can't handle that volume, the volume should be lower.
But beginners can handle more volume.

>Name a program that will put more muscle on a rank novice
http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2016/03/07/considerations-for-beginners/
There is actually tons of good programs that can be good for beginners.

>>41847693
If your bodyweight is 60-70 kg, you will never hit 1/2/3/4 in 3 months

>>41852131
Why would you do 20 different lifts over 4 days a week when you could get similar results from 5 lifts + accessories over 3 days a week?

Trying to learn 3 different squats as a beginner seems like a way to fuck your shit up fast

>>41845368
My standard addition I recommend anyone to do on SS, is adding 2 sets of 10 for bench and OHP with 70% of the weight of your working sets. Chinups are already in the program but people tend to forget them. Add some biceps isolation and shoulder exercise and you should be fine.

Something like this:

A
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
70% Bench 2x10
Deadlift 1x5
Curls 3x10
Face Pulls 3x10-20

B
Squat 3x5
OHP 3x5
70% OHP 2x10
Power Cleans 5x3 or Rows 3x5
Chinups 3xF (until 3x10, then you do 3x5 weighted)
Lateral Raises 3x10-20

>>41849813
How is it even possible to do squat and deadlift on the same day,

>>41852211
1) Because this is well known fact in strength training, that variety (to some degree) is good for beginners.
2) Because CHAD SMITH - the REAL successful COACH - says so.

THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK

>>41852074
He looks better than most of the cunts on here.

THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK!

>>41852211
What are good accessories to do with starting strength?

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>>41851007
>55 pushups in a row
>Only 55

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>>41852686
Some combination of these I guess. They are the ones included in the book.

>>41852329
>this is well known fact in strength training
[citation needed]

>>41851007

You saw it here folks, if you don't lift, you'll end up wearing fingerless gloves to jumprope

>>41846627
Fucking this.
>>41847651
Something like Candito's Strength and Hypertrophy or the reddit ppl
>>41847843
Because if you're not eating massively above maintenance you will not make the gains Rippetoe says you should expect to make.
>>41847693
>the strength base meme

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>>41846882
>squats
>circles the faint etching of a 4 pack in overhead lighting in his bathtub

>>41850000
you mean the next day when the miniscis in my knee is preventing me from walking or my shoulders are in agonizing pain from the bar smashing my acromion or when my lower back feels like it's going to give out every time i hinge? i know the what muscle pain feels like retard. i fucking hate beginner strength routines. because of people like you who automatically assume everyone who doesn't do it your way is a newbie or retarded. i can pull 600 lbs off the floor. so you want to try again or just keep being retarded and forcing your autism routine as gospel onto everyone?

>>41845368
THANKS FOR THE MILK, MARK