VEGAN GENERAL

>>41844221
I bet my cock that a meat eater made this thread to make us look worse. The choice of words and OP pic selection are terrible

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>>41844275
I am NOT going to tolerate any further torture and murder on animals. It's us or them.

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I'm a vegan

>>41844315
>ftm
>still wears clothes for women

>>41844221
actually, I feel quite comfortable killing animals when I am hungry. We as humans even have the predator instinct in us, we are born with a sense of how to ambush, how to kill even. And the animals in the animal kingdom are wary of us for that reason, they can even sense when we are hungry.

Meaning, most likely we actually were the stereotypical omnivores, with a large emphasis of "eat anything that you can what you encounter", but you have to be honest with yourself. Do you really think that if we got a bow, or a spear, and we see a somewhat slow, but not too slow animal and a lettuce head in the ground, we wouldnt pick the tasty animal to kill? There is a reason why kids dont want to eat the broccoli. We would be healthy too if the kids actually did the trouble of exercise. Which used to be a requirement of eating meat.

but fuck off really. Eating animals is natural, we even feel empathy in hunter behavior with other hunting animals. Shit, we even domesticated a hunting pack animal because we felt so alike.

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here is another photo (oh god, I must be really bored if I post such shit on a sunday evening, it was rest day for me though...)

>>41844221
OP, if you kill yourself, I'll give up on meat

>>41844221
You know how much I give a shit about the cow's throat being slit?

None at all. It was raised from birth for that very moment, it is not sapient. Sure, don't want sadists doing it and want things to be as clean as possible? Why not, no productive loss so go ahead and take your moralfag approach to protecting the feefees of non-sapients. Other than that go fuck yourself.

Vegans are mostly just people that never really liked meat that much and now they get to feel superior about it.

>>41844383
the issue is the raising from birth component

the death of that cow is, in fact, sweet release

the sadism that you do not want is its life

>>41844392
Why lie? It's nuts the random shit you kids will throw at the wall.

I need a staple high protein vegan meal that I can eat like 2-3 times a day. Someone give me one please.

>>41845562
>implying l don't kill my own animals

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>>41844221

I love these vegan generals, so please don't stop. Just ignore the haters. Does anyone have some really good pictures of vegan food? I'm looking for inspiration. I love the minimalistbaker on Instagram but I get annoyed with all the gluten-free shit. There's literally no need to be gluten-free unless you're celiac.

>>41844330
we dont have predator instincts, we have survival instincts. also, how much in common do u have with a predator when ure cruizing down the frozen meat section of ur local supermarket?

Vegans are probably the dumbest people I've ever met, next to Muslims and crossfitters.

You people actually thing eating a single gram of fat will make you fat. You will eat like fucking 800g of carbs a day and NO protein but you'll call yourself healthy.

Enjoy your soy-induced bitch tits, faggots.

>>41844221
>>41844313
>pic
Why do vegans love to exaggerate?

>>41844221
Dont be a faggot and eat meat

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>>41845748

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>>41844221
classic example of pic related

>>41845864
Guess what bucko dogs eat meat too.

>>41844221
Fucking faggot

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Give me a rundown on veggie burgers. If they're vegetarian instead of vegan that's fine with me.

Every animal dies at some point, and if its in the wild you can bet its not of old fucking age lol. Sharp teeth tearing the jugular out, hamstringing the slow calf, a predatorg Eating its prey while it breathes its last panicked breaths.
Being morally consistent, its Must also be unethical to bear our own children into a life of suffering with a very real chance of a slow and painful death

>>41845562
>Oatmeal, handful of walnuts, chopped dates, cinnamon, protein powder

>canned tomato's, add some chopped onions and garlic, chili powder, can of black beans and some TVP

>Tofu Stir Fry

Protein is easy guy. Just chuck protein powder, tvp, tofu, seitan into meals. I like to use Vital Wheat Gluten to thicken things as well.

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>>41845915
>>41845916
>>41845947

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>>41844221
>Meat eaters NOT allowed!
Guess what's for dinner!

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>>41844221
I think I'll cut a nice juicy steak off the one on the left, what do you think, OP?

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>>41844221
Maybe I'll bacon-wrap that steak. Tasty!

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>>41844221
See this man, OP? He's happy because he has a good paying job he enjoys so he can feed his family (meat, of course). Why do you want to put him out of work? WHY DO YOU WANT TO WATCH HIS CHILDREN STARVE, OP???
>OP confirmed for hating children

>>41844221
Hey OP I feel you, here's a great youtube vid all about how great veganism is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_lAkPyvSnA

Lol. It's funny that vegans use the same arguments as prolifers, but there is probably little cross over of the two groups.

Stay DYEL while i enjoy my complete protein meals and tasty hamburgers

l'd eat human if l didn't think it would give me the shakes

Honestly, is there a SINGLE fucking vegan that looks good that isn't on roids?

I find it very hard to believe that a vegan diet can compare to a regular diet for bodybuilding.

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>>41845730
no those are definitely predator instincts. The idea of when one can stalk prey, how long a window of opportunity is. When we get gf's we even scare them based through that for fun, because we actually train it, like other predators do. We have even domesticated and changed an entire other meat eating species because we felt so much empathy with their hunting behavior as a pack.

Because that is what we did. Feelings dont lie either. And when I am hungry I want to kill animals. Maybe you are a faggot and are too scared of that. But a whole host of animals suddenly seizes to be cuddly and cute and more like "delicious looking alluring" when I am fasting. I can actually imagine eating them, killing them, my mouth can water at them. I can imagine the muscles that it uses to move, and me eating them.

And most healthy males have that. Because we are omnivores and its the most natural thing that can be. You are the ones who are strange. And this is the evolution argument, and that can easily be build up by much proof. Why do nearly all animals run away from us or are scared of us? Because we used to kill and eat them all up until recently. But the body is so slow to adapt that we can still easily just as consume them.

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To all meatheads in this thread: GO AWAY

This is the ONLY vegan thread on this entire board.

Leave us alone!

>>41848868
>ONLY vegan thread on this entire board
There are like four at the same time right now.

Take it to >>/lgbt/, you degenerate faggot

>>41844221
can meat eaters just fuck off? just hide this thread and fuck off stop trolling, u say we impose ur views on u and we r making this thread to keep to ourselves ur the ones getting triggered by us

>>41844221
post body

>>41844315
I actually thought that was a female from the thumbnail and got a semi. Fml.

>>41849877
>I actually thought that was a female from the thumbnail
It is. She just cut her tits off

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>>41844221

Bump for comfy thread, meatcucks and dairyfags pls go

how to get Torre AbGains without doing abs? I am fucking stressing out lads.

>>41844221

>>>/tumblr/

stop the samefagging
sage

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>>41850094

>33 posters
>samefagging

eat your fucking veggies and stop consuming the flesh jew

>>41845748

Actually veganism cannot be refuted and everytime someone actually tries to do it they look like toddlers.
It ineviteably leads up to "I don't care about animals, I don't care about the enviroment, I don't care about anything except my mommy's tendies".

>>41850424
>It ineviteably leads up to "I don't care about animals
Yes, because appeal to emotions aren't an argument.
> I don't care about the enviroment
Neither do you looking at your usage of unecessary technology that harms the environment - including animals.

>>41844221
Human rights don't apply to animals. Much like how an animal doesn't have the same duties a human has.

I am a vegetarian that eats population controlled meat. ie Kangaroo and camel. Come at me

Do vegans swallow? Also, how many vegan babies die a year out of sheer retardation of their parents?

>>41850726
LMAO

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I've got a serious question for vegans. Do you have pets and if you do do you feed them meat? I understand that humans don't need meat to survive whereas cats, wolves, velociraptors etc. do, but surely you shouldn't agree with farming and murdering animals just to feed your pets.

I'm not trying to troll I'm genuinely curious.

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What's a good vegan protein powder. I've been using vega. Before that I just used peanut butter powder and threw it in a blender with almond milk and oats.

>>41848799
You are still missing the point. You keep on talking about a natural response to hunger, but a large majority of meat consumed is through farming processes that are far from natural.

I'm not that guy, but I have been gravitating towards a more vegan lifestyle because after having personally raised thousands and thousands of birds from birth to my knife, I can't stomach the process.

Hunting, on the other hand, does indeed seem natural and I would never refuse to hunt or to eat hunted meat. That's different, though. It's different when the animal had a chance and you earn the meat. You are forced to respect the animal as an adversary.

There is no respect for farmed animals, and I do not condone the detachment from the source of food.

>>41850656
you've never heard the phrase "animal rights"?

>>41844221

'400 Million Fewer Animals Were Killed for Food Last Year vs. 2007 Because People Are Eating Less Meat'

http://latestvegannews.com/400-million-fewer-animals-were-killed-for-food-last-year-because-people-are-eating-less-meat/#

>>41850855

I haven't tried any yet, but I think myprotein does some vegan protein powder. What's vega like? Also, you look great man. Keep up the good work.

n-no homo.

how much protein do you guys eat per day? How much do you weigh?

>>41851518
like 50g 700g carbs & 7g fat

>>41851518
168lb
>>41851526
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>>41844313
Like all of us meat eaters buy halal meat like a fucking idiot

>>41850638

You're a human and you're emotional by default since you're not a machine, stop being such tryhard edgelord. There is simply no reason to kill animals in order for us to survive in the modern era.

>I don't care about the enviroment and neither do you

Wanting to minimize destruction of soil and pollution in our atmosphere is not caring about the enviroment?
What is your argument here exactly? That unless you kill yourself and thus causing 0 pollution in the enviroment you have no right in telling people to reduce their carbon footprint as reasonable as possible?
Seems like a logical fallacy to me my dude.
As in, there is no contradiction in my reasoning despite you implying there was and it is completely rational to want to minimize harm to the enviroment.

>>41850728

1 or 2 documented cases of babies dying due to malnutrition by vegan diets or vegan parents.
Thousands of them dying due to malnutrition by normal diets but lacking in specific nutrients.

>>41851563
>You're a human and you're emotional by default since you're not a machine, stop being such tryhard edgelord.
If your arguments can't stand on their own merit then they're worthless.
>There is simply no reason to kill animals in order for us to survive in the modern era.
Stop using your computer.

>>41844221
I like meat lol. I love killing animals, ive done it since i was a kid.

>>41851610

> I love killing

Seek psychological assistance.

>>41851595

>If your arguments can't stand on their own merit then they're worthless.

Posting an empty collection of words that have no meaning for the sake of responding is not an argument. I posted mine and you did not manage to refute anything at all.

>stop using your computer

So you admit defeat then, good to know.
This is what it always comes down to, when retards try to refute veganism they literally act acting like brats and just keep responding without saying anything meaningful.
There is no need whatsoever for supporting the killing of animals.
Veganism is friendly to the enviroment and much more sustainable.

These are my (very simple) points and you still can't refute them.

>>41845941
Amy's and Gardein are pretty good. Gardein is pretty "realistic" if you're into that. The reviews of Beyond Meat are pretty good (particularly for meat eaters) so you might have good luck with that. I wasn't a fan though. Amy's doesn't have much protein but the other two have reasonable amounts.

When I've accidentally gotten ones that are vegetarian but not vegan they've always ended up tasting like cardboard.

>>41845992

Yes that is what would happen if ducks were the dominant species, were smart enough to construct a proper long lasting community and they liked the taste of human. Fortunately for us, that is not the case and as the dominant species we get to eat what we want.

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Ghoul here, fuck you faggots
you should ALWAYS eat the weak animals to assert your domination in the food chain and eat stronger animals to incorporate their strength.
If youre deliberately lowering yourself from the level of tiger to the level of snail you deserve to get eaten

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>>41851695

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>>41851713

not worth it they are all just dumb fucks trying to justify eating dead animals needlessly

>>41851650
>I posted mine and you did not manage to refute anything at all.
Of course I'm not going to bother refuting non-arguments, anon.

>There is no need whatsoever for supporting the killing of animals.
Neither is there for personal computers, and yet you own one. Not only do you put your life above the environment, since you refuse to kill yourself, you also put your personal comfort above the environment. Which makes you a hypocrit.

>Veganism is friendly to the enviroment and much more sustainable.
So is not having a personal computer, anon. You really should stop now, it's killing the environment.

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>>41844221
As a meat eater I can respect not wanting to buy animal products as a way to not support the industry that enslaves the animals, seeing as they suffer a lot and live their whole lives in cages just to become our meal.
But whats really wrong with killing animals? It's natural for the animals on top of the food chain to eat those bellow them.
If I went hunting and ate an animal that I killed myself would vegans still hate me?

>>41851009
Do you think your endocrine system cares whether or not it was "moral"? Do you think that there is any morality for cancers, for all sorts of effects from foods and chemicals that are made upon us by this world? Do you think it was fair that the people who grew up under the neurotoxin lead think that morality mattered?

Again, all of this is irrelevant. I could also give the same argument back at you to say that we used to raise lifestock on farms, just as we raised plants on farms. Being slaughtered in a factory surely in no joy, but then again, being sprayed upon a field where you as a plant have no real chance to propagate is also the same.

Your reasoning is therefore really dumb. From two different perspectives.

Factory processed meat, as long as its not "processed" in the way of conservatives and other chemicals being added to it, while the animal had a somewhat stressfree life (through the many biological brands and smalltime farmers everywhere around), it doesnt matter if it gets killed by a really strong gust of wind through a machine. Your body chemistry wont know the difference. Now if you also added some cardio 2 times a week it would truly not know even the slightest bit of difference. Your body would be at its optimal peak then.

>>41851716
Does this mean we need to start eating cats and keep chickens as pets?

>>41844221
Do vegans have a moral issue with eating mushrooms?
I mean it's just one step removed from eating meat.

>>41845864
I love animals
I would both eat and keep as a pet any of the three animals in that picture

>>41844221
Vegans are fags, desu

>>41852047
The way I see it theres nothing wrong killing an animal if you need to. Nobody is asking those tribes in Africa to stop eating meat of course because they have no other choice. But we do. As for your hunting question, my point still stands: of course hunting is better than factory farming, but do you really need to hunt? Dont you have other options?

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>>41844221
>It's another "I'm vegan and have to tell everyone about it" episode

You know this website is anonymous so you don't get brownie points for caring about animals, right

>>41852064
You're getting the wrong idea again. I am not saying one dietary choice is objectively better than the other. What I'm saying is I have a subjective moral objection to the process of how some food is developed. Hell, a lot of the moral objection also applies to how ubiqutous it is for workers in chicken processing plants to be treated poorly (wearing diapers because they aren't allowed to take breaks).

You were the one defending your dietary choice under the pretext of it being "natural" yet it's clear that we are two people far from nature, so in that view both of our dietary choices are inevitably unnatural.

That being said, I think humans have the capability of choice, and this is the dietary choice I make. It is what I enjoy. You are allowed to enjoy what you enjoy. That's the magic of a free society. There doesn't have to be a contention here.

Hell, I don't have the intention to cut out meat or animal products entirely. Actually a lot of vegetarians also tend to not be dogmatically at an extreme. It's usually a grey area of personal choice where more often than not, they would choose the dish without animal products.

>>41852467
chemical natural brah. Everything else doesnt really matter. I could put spoons in my butt if someone argued that its moral (like there are a thousand different moralities, many conflicting, strange or otherwise)

but there is only one truth, and that truth says that the optimal nutrition for us is meat. Thus I shall get it. It could also be fish, it could be eggs, it could be a great many of things that dont impede on certain spectrums of morality.

You are a pathetic faggot and you have zero arguments. Probably because you didnt eat enough meat lol.

>>41852047
>enslaves the animals

>enslaves

They're dumb animals.

>>41852543
>Enslave
>Cause (someone) to lose their freedom of choice or action.
He's (I'm) not wrong.

>>41845880
this is getting real meta

>>41845840
That's right, anon. Another man killed that animal for you. Don't be a faggot. Put his meat deep inside you.

>>41852560
"Someone" is a human person.

How many of you vegans only eat seasonal locally produced products out of interest?

>>41850806
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ6V9QyFQCY/?taken-by=danpolta

Additives to make sure my obligate carnivore doesn't have any nutritional deficiencies: vitamin A 27,500 IU/kg, vitamin D3 1,600 IU/kg, vitamin E 270 mg/kg, copper sulphate pentahydrate (copper)10 mg/kg, iron carbonate(iron) 186 mg/kg, calcium iodate, anhydrous (iodine) 4 mg/kg, sodium selenite (selenium) 10 mg/kg, zinc oxide (zinc)100 mg/kg, manganous oxide (manganese) 12 mg/kg,taurine 1,500 mg/kg,L-carnitine 300 mg/kg.

Dogs are not obligate carnivores. Cats are, but good, vegan cat food satisfies all of their nutritional requirements.

>>41851635
What exactly is wrong with enjoying hunting animals?

>>41844221
>vegan humor

>>41851526
7g fat is really low. You should seriously consider eating some nuts or seeds.

>>41852502
Nah. I've raised and hunted plenty of animals in my life and will continue to do it as I choose. I don't need to make others suffer unnecessarily for a small fraction of optimization.

>>41845864
People that love animals already have mental issues. Do you love plants or rocks?

>>41852898
Aren't plants living things? How is it ok to chop a plant off at the roots but not ok to slit a cow's throat?

Shouldn't vegans be eating dirt? But wait, doesn't dirt contain microbes and other living things?

>>41845992
Wtf, I hate geese now

>>41852756
you even know how many morality actions one can do around animals?

You think that eating or letting them live is all?

here are a few morality things that you could be doing around animals

>artificially breeding them to create different animals (like dogs)
>enhancing them with cybernetics
>sending them into space
>using them for human jobs like bomb sniffing or truffel finding
>using them as therapy animals
>using their organs for all sorts of things
>making them battle other animals

and the list goes on and on, each and every thing, which may be "good" or "bad" and everything in between is justified one way or another by other loose morality things that pretty much have no effect on the well being of your own self most of the time.

So who cares about you and your feelings? They are bullshit and you are not a special snowflake. People come to /fit/ for advise most of the time on how to improve themselves. And that is exactly what I give to them. We dont care what you feel. We only care about advise that works, and that is verified somewhat that can help the average, generic man to improve himself here.

And that means killing and eating animals. If you want to go to talk about feelings, to go /an/ or some dumb shit like that you fucker. There is no scientific reason to go on plants only, unless you got a special snowflake disease. In that case, fuck off to your medical practitioner.

>>41853218
u seem mad

Not the guy you're replying to, but there are plenty of other sources of protein that I could use that aren't the dead flesh of an animal, no? Why would I want to knowingly contribute to factory farming in particular?

>>41853218
>So who cares about you and your feelings?
>We dont care what you feel.
Kinda like how I don't care how some stupid fucking cow feels.

>>41852064
it doesnt matter if it gets killed by a really strong gust of wind through a machine

what is your stance on the murdering of a human?

>>41853408
why does it matter if its the "dead flesh of animals?" its not an argument. That flesh nourishes you according to your evolutionary needs, to that of some minerals, but also dietary cholesterol. In general it increases your test and makes you more healthy.

Everything else is just garbage that you may or may not attach to it.

Besides, with this approach you may also cover the unknowns which we simply have no cognition off.

http://pastebin.com/f54AG18Q

science funding is limited and its scope as such is too. But the idea that one could be healthier by doing something that we did for millions of years is not a bad one. Evolution is also slow.

>>41853218
Damn dude chill the fuck out. Some people like different things. It's not a contest. I understand some vegans can be too preachy, but you don't have to get all insecure and defensive.

The moral issue of meat eating doesn't apply to me personally, I go out of my way to eat only the most intelligent and empathetic animals I can find.

>>41853481
I'm just thinking of limiting the amount of overall suffering that happens and that I'm currently conscious of.

But if I had to choose between eating protein from a sentient being and plant-based protein, I'd go with the plant-based stuff based on this utilitarian-like mindset. I don't think nutrition science has been truly optimized yet and fully understood, really.

>>41853509
>t. Cannibal

>>41853482
why would you frame it as such? it seems to me that you guys are the only ones who are emotional and whiney? You guys have basically zero proof that it is good. But there is plenty of proof in our roots, and even behavior that we are just simply omnivores. Your emotional "arguments" can be simply dismissed by putting a starving human in the same room as a tasty animal. We have similar behaviors as predators and opportunistic hunters.

Its simply the truth that you guys lead an unhealthy lifestyle. You guys are fetishists, not /fit/tards.

>>41853596
Well, you could make a hypothetical example out of anything. If I was alone and starving with an animal and no other sources of food, but knew I could survive long enough to be rescued, I'd probably eat it. But when would that happen in this day in age in the western world when there are plenty of other options available? Why would I knowingly cause suffering of innocent beings when I could simply do otherwise?

If aliens more intelligent than humans came around, and needed to hunt humans for food, you'd probably object to being eaten by an alien, yeah?

What exactly about a vegan diet is unhealthy?

>>41853574
I wouldn't have a problem about eating human if they were breed for

I think vegans mistakenly believe that they can guilt me into wanting to be vegetarian by reminding me that animals die before I eat them.

I literally don't care at all. The minor suffering of a pig in a far away farm is literally meaningless to me. Cattle are cattle for a reason: they have virtually no cognitive function and their life holds very little value.

>>41853655
>If aliens more intelligent than humans came around, and needed to hunt humans for food, you'd probably object to being eaten by an alien, yeah?
Sure, and it'd mean as much as animals objecting to being eaten by us.

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>>41853574
See this? Vegans actually think of themselves as animals. It's a purely atavistic ideal. Are you also an otherkin?

>>41853655
a vegan diet to any animal that is not a herbivore is unhealthy. Whats so hard to grasp about that? We are not herbivores, we are omnivores.

>>41853685
We could get as nihilistic as you want. But I don't see any use in that.

So if a being is defenseless and unable to fight for themselves, we should just devour them.

>>41853682
This. Morals are subjective. And if they want to tone down animal cruelty, go bother the Jews who bless the cow before slitting it's throat. Papa Jim's All American Dairy Farm should not be fucked with however.

>>41853712
But what is unhealthy about eating herbivorous specifically? I'm not entirely convinced I need meat to survive and produce viable genetic offspring.

>>41853718
>So if a being is defenseless and unable to fight for themselves, we should just devour them.
If it nourishes us, there'd be a use in doing so, yes.

>>41852560
Animals don't have the same illusion of freedom and choice that we do.

>>41853723
>moral relativism

lel

>>41844221
Deer killcount: 39
Rabbit Killcount: 120
Turkey killcount: 23
Cancer from eating red meat: 0
Checkmate veggie niggers.

>>41853740
Well go read a biology book what makes omnivores different from herbivores and carnivores.

>>41853751
>he thinks there's objective morality

lel

>>41853742
So if at some point in the future, we're able to dismember a human body and break it down into it's basic chemical constituents, then create Soylent Green for people to ingest and nourish the masses, you wouldn't be opposed?

>>41853751
>How's your first year of poli sci going?
>I've only taken three classes but I already know how the entire world works.

>>41853800
>So if at some point in the future, we're able to dismember a human body and break it down into it's basic chemical constituents, then create Soylent Green for people to ingest and nourish the masses, you wouldn't be opposed?
Sounds like a pretty neat use for otherwise useless corpses, what's there to oppose?

I'm a trans-vegan. I was born a carnivore but I identify as a vegan. I eat mostly meat and dairy products as a part of my trans-vegan diet. Damn cis-vegan scum making these threads as if meat eaters can't be vegan. Very bigoted of you, OP, not taking into account the feelings of the trans-vegan community

>>41853800
Meh, cut out the middle man. I like this >>41853681 anon's idea much better.

>>41853816
But what about babies? They're pretty defenseless and can't fight for themselves.

Why not a baby over a corpse?

>>41845676

pasta primavera w nuts look fucking colorful and good.

>>41853814
>I can splash acid in anyone's face it doesn't matter

>>41853837
Adult meat has better macros, duh.

>>41851526

it doesn't add up, what the fuck you eat all day?

>>41853847
More like, if you got acid in your face and didn't get revenge then I guess you deserved a melted face.

>>41853855
But in context of tearing them down. Each human has basically the same ratio of Carbon, Hydrogren, Oxygen and Nitrogen.

Howe about we imprison the weaker females of the human species, force impregnate them, take the babies they spit out, and mush up all the elemental constituents and make something nutritionally viable. Yeah, we could also use corpses too. Let's optimize our nutrition, guys.

This certainly makes sense and totally not a horrible idea at all. /s

>hurr durrr u et met? that mens ur a mass murderer :))))))))))))

tell that to the countless animals that kill other animals. There is nothing wrong with doing the same to thrive. We cant just ditch, or even have a reason to ditch eating animals because we are supreme now. Its our biology

srsly, veganism has little to do with /fit/

>>41853894
That's just gross though, you're crossing a line of potability (which I'd concede that modern meat processing facilities also cross,) I wouldn't eat this hypothetical product because of the process, not the ingredients.

>>41853879
So you can splash acid in a baby's face and since they can't seek revenge it's okay? Guess they deserved it, amirite?????

>>41848799
/pol pls go

>>41853917
>lions eat meat and smell each others asses and shit outside, why can't I? Let's all just shit outside because every other animal does it

>>41853940
Can't feed itself either, now you're just advocating bad parenting. I bet if your kid even got into a fight you'd go "talk it out" with the other kid's parents. Guess what? they're moral relativists too.

>>41853894
cannibalism is not a human trait though, maybe for niggers but not for us. We barely even want to eat other predators like us. Something of a hardwired evolutionary morality. But there is no such thing for other animals. We can even get disseases from cannibalism, from eating the brain for example I think. Not a good thing.

Now was that so hard?

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>>41851716
Made me chuckle, I want a chicken now

>>41853963
It would be better for the environment actually, which oddly is part of the vegan talking points. Perhaps we're not so different, you and I.

>>41852931
Plants have no capacity for pain, no nervous system, and since moral vegans conduct themselves on the basis of minimizing pain and suffering which is abundant in industrial farming, this non-argument should be burried.

>>41853980
How about an abandoned baby who's just laying on the sidewalk?

I'm not advocating anything, this is just a hypothetical baby. I'm just saying, you can't just go and splash acid in anyone's face. You could be masked or some shit. Everyone would agree that splashing acid in a baby's face is not a good thing to do, and doing so is objectively bad.

>>41853963
>you do a thing for millions of years
>your biology adapts to it
>you try to do something different in a very, very short time span
>it actually doesnt work because our biology takes millions of years to change back again

whew

>>41844315
>>41844339

wtf i thought you were joking
https://www.instagram.com/johnnysjoys/?hl=en

>>41853995
I'm just taking the extreme view. If in the future, you could break down anything into it's constituent parts and make food out of it, why would we choose something over something else? This is a moral choice.

>>41854021
Yeah, instead I like to focus on the fact that applying pest control to farm vegan products creates MORE death and suffering in humans and animals that factory farming. "Veganic" is not an alternative as it only works on the small scale ie gardens.

>>41853712
Not that you'll change your mind but no, our physiology is geared to a herbivore and not omnivorous diet
https://fr.scribd.com/doc/94656/The-Comparative-Anatomy-of-Eating

>>41853837
>But what about babies? They're pretty defenseless and can't fight for themselves.
They usually have parents that would mind me eating their child. Also there's the risk of getting prions that I'm not willing to take.

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>>41854070

>>41851716
nothing would stop us from growing lab meat. By then actual literal factory meat. Who cares then indeed.

but we dont kill our own, it goes against our genetic moral code.

>>41854027
What about a tiny amount of acid used to burn off a wart? There is ALWAYS room for relativism if you aren't closed minded.

>you can't just go and splash acid in anyone's face
Yes I can, but there will be consequences. And we arrive back at the original point, were one might rely on law I say get your own recompense.

>>41854070
Well, a good chunk of our agriculture, pesticides or not, is used to feed livestock so Ill buy what your selling if you can prove that farming vegan products induces more death and suffering than commercial agriculture that requires to use so many resources to raise livestock.
Not a scientific article but meh: http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/facts-on-animal-farming-and-the-environment/

>>41854097
>animalvisuals.org
>.org
>The mission of Animal Visuals is to provide compelling visuals and interactive media to empower animal advocates, educate the public, and expose the injustices of animal exploitation.

Gotta love it when left wing non-profit fags link THEMSELVES as citation...

>>41854111
>rape, murder, and abuse aren't bad if I don't get caught

>>41854188
Heh, if I took it THAT far I'd be bashing in vegan/antifa skulls on a nightly basis. Come to think of it idk why I'm not.

>>41854077
the only thing you guys got of science that is correct is the glycemic index. But that also hates sugars and other plant based foods.

There is plenty of evidence that dietary cholesterol doesnt cause harm. That it even yields benefits. It is tied to exercise which raises the maximum threshold for the amount of dietary cholesterol you could take.

Plant based foodstuffs also have a host of malignant issues if you arent careful of what you eat. Simple carbs especially.

The ideal diet is that of mostly complex carbs, some veggies, some fruits, but also fish and meat in about 200 grams a day. If you run twice a week, what you should be doing anyhow, you could even eat more and get even more test. Also, some races probably fair better with meat than other races. Evolution may be slow but racial variation was nearly on that timescale to be significant enough. Though generally speaking for most humans, eating meat is going to be healthy. Unless your weird system breaks down and you become a hyper responder to cholesterol, then you may start thinking about veganism.

>>41853963
>he doesn't sniff asses and shit outside

You're not invited to my next camping trip. Shame, too - we pack vegan meals.

>>41854218
Why is vegan linked with antifa?

>>41854188
There's a risk of getting caught that usually compels people not to do certain acts. The ones that aren't compelled by that risk end up as rapists, murderers and abusers. That's on them.

>>41854250
sounds psychopathic

>>41853596
Again, this doesn't apply to me. I am an omnivore who is tending towards being a herbivore. It's not that black and white. It's a choice granted by advances in human ability.

>>41854219
Pls cite the evidence you have that dietary and blood cholesterol are not correlated. I also found a few so that shouldnt be an issue but pls find me studies that demonstrate that dietary cholesterol yeilds benefits and what those benefits (ie, decreased blood pressure, better blood flow, higher cognitive performance, etc etc) are.
You may call him a shill but Dr. Gregor does find a correlation between dietary and blood cholesterol and higher blood cholesterol is linked with artery clogging. https://nutritionfacts.org/2016/03/22/the-effects-of-dietary-cholesterol-on-blood-cholesterol/

>>41854278
That's just how it is.

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>>41854291
You cant just "tend" towards something, you are defined as to what you are at birth. There is no way around it. To remain healthy one should include meat in your diet. And science is not advanced enough yet to truly tell us or make us be perfect with nutrition. We barely even know anything about the bacteria that are used in the digestion in our gut.

http://pastebin.com/f54AG18Q

>>41854309
>nutritionfacts

oh god, its a shill site dude.

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>>41854324
Alright, please direct me to a legit site backed by current medical and nutritional science. Thanks in advance.

>>41854170

lmao, this doesn't change anything desu, do you expect that eating pork and poultry doesn't cause harm? do you realize that you're eating poultry and pork, right?

>>41854027
I mean, this really depends on the culture. Spartans threw deformed babies off of cliffs, and routinely murdered the children of their slaves. I'm sure there's a hypothetical culture that appreciates splashing acid in the faces of abandoned babies lying on sidewalks.

>>41844221
post more of these

>>41854218
postmodern leftists are moral relativists

>>41854368
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3292202/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/435773-cholesterol-testosterone/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/281637-the-effects-of-running-on-fat-cholesterol/
http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/exercise-to-lower-cholesterol
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1998648
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/

and still this is also very good

https://examine.com/nutrition/will-eating-eggs-increase-my-cholesterol/

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>>41844330
>I am comfortable killing animals
>proceeds to write out paragraphs to justify your guilt

Sure buddy.

>>41854319
Why can't you read? I do eat meat, and if I go a couple days/weeks without eating it, I don't notice much change in the performance of my body. The difference is I don't go so far as to include it in every meal. I've experimented a lot, and considering I am capable of growing my own veggies/animals, I'll eat whatever I can provide to myself.

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>>41854416

Out of these, 2 are published research papers, and only one has to do with dietary cholesterol

Here's the one

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3292202/
>This study was supported by grants... from the American Egg Board

This one did find increases in cholesterol with increasing dietary cholesterol

> Plasma total cholesterol increased 1.47 mg/dL for each additional 100 mg/d of dietary cholesterol (P < .001). LDL cholesterol increased 1.38 mg/dL for each additional 100 mg/d of dietary cholesterol (P < .001)
>In summary, we have demonstrated that increases in dietary cholesterol intake are associated with modest, linear increases in total and LDL cholesterol levels in young, healthy men consuming a low-fat diet.

>>41854490
there are links spread out through all of these articles to studies you fool.

>The current concensus is that only a minority of “hyperresponders” experience a spike in blood cholesterol, LDL, and HDL when consuming eggs.[9]

Its still the main consensus of the scientific world.

>>41854517

Pick some out to talk about then.

>>The current concensus is that only a minority of “hyperresponders” experience a spike in blood cholesterol, LDL, and HDL when consuming eggs.[9]
>Its still the main consensus of the scientific world.

The reference is to this paper

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16340654

Which is an opinion article written by an associate of the American Egg Board.

At least half the studies that Examine article cite are industry funded, and there's a lot of good data they don't reference at all, like this paper

http://www.ibcmt.com/2009-03-16-EffectsOfDietaryCholesterolOnSerumCholesterol-PaulHopkins.pdf

>>41854517
Not him but non-hyperresponders do respond too just to a lesser degree. Some also seem to not respond at all but the normal person will have a dose dependant serum cholesterol response up to a certain point.

>>41854577

The assignment of "hypo" and "hyper" responders is also pretty shady. It's a classification given by researchers hired by the egg industry, and if you look at the studies, people labeled "hyperresponders" are usually the ones who started out with the lowest cholesterol scores, while "hyporesponders" started out with already high cholesterol

>>41854623
Yeah but it does seem like there is a pretty big genetic factor. In the end it doesn't really matter though the vast majority has a clear response to dietary cholesterol. The "debate" about these terms is likely just to distract from that simple fact.

>>41854690
the question is though if it is statistically significant enough, along with exercise that helps to lower it, to warrant not to eat it. With the benefits that it provides.

also, the "egg industry" is not an argument. On certain topics nobody does any research and at times it may be a war of different industries, nutritionfacts (most likely filthy kikes)on one side, and the "egg industry" on the other.

>>41854818
"Egg industry" is a valid point though, it's just a fact that many studies on the cholesterol topic are funded by it and "coincidentally" "prove" that there is no or just an insignificant connection (they usually never even admit to a causation). Dr. Gregor has some rather shady videos/articles but I think he's right about many things including the cholesterol "debate".

Older meta analysis but it's well conducted and unlike most newer ones it looks at basically every study done before.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1534437/

>>41854971
so what, there is also a push of an even larger industry from the left, into some feel good horsecrap of feeding even more niggers. Then its also tied to global warming. This topic is a frontline and there are constantly battles being fought. Money on both sides. It is not an argument to dismiss or to choose a study. But through this whole chaos one can see a line of truth, subtly weaving though. And that line of truth tells us to kill animals, and then to eat them. You barely have even touched my sources and therefore I shall not touch yours.

>>41854971
"Soy industry" is a valid point though, it's just a fact that many studies on the breast cancer topic are funded by it and "coincidentally" "prove" that there is no or just an insignificant connection

>>41854971
Except the known physiology of the human body already agrees with that data. It is known that the liver and hepatic cells use almost all dietary cholesterol as energy and it would take an incredulous amount of dietary blood cholesterol prehepatic processing in order to actually outdue to the hepatic needs of energy. It's just not realistic.

>>41854971
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1534437/

whats the sci hub number, site cant seem to find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur2pl_T_uuc

Anyone made any dahl recipes lately? This looks tasty as fuck, and it's high in protein because of the lentils.

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>>41854818

>the "egg industry" is not an argument. On certain topics nobody does any research and at times it may be a war of different industries, nutritionfacts (most likely filthy kikes)on one side, and the "egg industry" on the other.

Nutritionfacts doesn't fund or perform studies, it only presents them. The egg industry does. The egg industry doesn't pay for research because they're honestly curious about the effect of dietary cholesterol. Like all industries, they pay for research they can use to market their product.

Most initial research on dietary cholesterol performed by impartial researchers indicated an LDL raising and atherogenic property of egg yolk and dietary cholesterol. Research funded by the egg industry is a response to that, with studies designed to make it less likely that a statistically significant relationship will be found.

>>41855042

Unless dietary cholesterol stimulates the liver to produce more cholesterol and shuts down LDL receptors like saturated fats do.

>>41855099

Full text is provided in this post >>41854575

>>41854107

If meat was grown in a lab/cloned, then there would never be the issue of killing animals again and technically everyone would be vegetarian?

Dairy is the devil though. I'm fine with [truly] free-range eggs.

>>41854818

>the benefits that it provides.

???

>>41845992
>implying ducks won't gorge themselves anyways given the chance

We're just helping em.

>>41848480
There isn't

>>41848480

If they look good
>they're CLEARLY roiding and don't count
If they don't look good
>SEE? Vegan diet sucks for gains!

>>41844221
I remember a time where vegan shitposting was rare and gym bros dominated the front page. If you want to save animals cut your dicks off you stupid faggots. Don't reproduce ever.

>>41855017

>You barely have even touched my sources and therefore I shall not touch yours.

If you mean these sources >>41854416 then this post >>41854490 showed you how the one pertinent study you posted said the opposite of what you thought it did and this post >>41854575 exposed the citations of the Examine article you were confident enough in to bring up twice.

>>41850726
OP btfo

>>41856719
This is an interesting point and artificial meat has already been made in a lab, thus being cruelty free.
Still, some vegans will claim that the satty fat, cholesterol and animal protein in general cannot be healthy to consume on a daily basis because of the proinflammatory qualities of these compounds. http://www.businessinsider.com/memphis-meats-lab-grown-meatballs-2016-11

Vegetarian on a cut here. Eating delicious home-cooked wholewheat spaghetti Napoletana. Would anyone like my recipe?

>>41844221
I thought Sceak was dead?

>>41844315
fukken burn that shit with fire

>>41858857
No, spaghetti is the grossest form of pasta.

>>41845880
That's the whole fucking point of a comic. If it wasn't over the top and ridiculous it wouldn't be entertaining, it would just be worthless.

>>41844326
hey some cis men have crossdressing fetishes
I remember some ftms (not mtfs) on /lgbt/ talking about having legit forced feminization sissy fetishes

>>41853682
t. hella twisted dark psychopath badass

>>41858857
Sure. Though that's the first time I've heard of that.

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>>41844221
Any Aussies struggling with the lack of decent meat and cheese alternatives in our supermarkets?

These vegan threads are cancer. Unless they pertain to FITNESS and EXERCISE somehow, they belong on >>>/ck/

You know what to do, mods.

>>41844330
Do you chase your own food?

>>41861429
Vegan bodybuilding is fitness related, what are you complaining about?

>>41862370
He's baiting and you fell for it.

>>41848799
>r/K bullshit
The whole of that theory is just a big self rationalization made by beta males to explain why beta males are not getting laid anymore. It depicts monogamy as the superior system because it's the only one in which beta males can thrive. It all pretty much boils down to "I cannot get laid because I am too good for sex, only inferior degenerates can procreate nowadays". It's just a pathetic intellectualization of the typical beta whining.

It also conveniently leaves out the little detail that wolves are serial monogamous, not lifetime monogamous. Serial monogamy is more akin to polygamy than to lifetime monogamy. In fact, there is only a tiny percent of the species on this planet that are lifetime monogamous, and humans are not among them.

>>41863252
>The whole of that theory is just a big self rationalization made by beta males to explain why beta males are not getting laid anymore. It depicts monogamy as the superior system because it's the only one in which beta males can thrive. It all pretty much boils down to "I cannot get laid because I am too good for sex, only inferior degenerates can procreate nowadays". It's just a pathetic intellectualization of the typical beta whining.

you are 100% right.
biggest problem i see with the situation is that civilisation is dependent on the support and the labor of betas - vast majority of males are betas after all. monogamy kind of lured them in with pussy as bait, then trapped them in marriage which pretty much forced them into a lifetime of wageslave labor.

with that out of the picture, how do we keep society running? how do we prevent the gorillions of betas from dropping out as NEET garbage instead of paying the bills?

>>41844221
i became vegan 10minutes ago
already getting these disgusting vegan farts. is this normal?

>>41851831


Lmao, a day later and you still have no arguments.
Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
It's hilarious how you try so hard to come at me with your hypocrisy rhetoric.
You get so triggered and feel so judged that you have to unironically appeal to futility.

Here, let me blow your little mind my dude.
We don't need to kill animals and eat their flesh or consume their secretions in order to thrive, not to mention survive in the modern day.
We do need electronics in order to thrive.

Electronics aren't unhealthy.
Eating animals loaded with anti biotics, PCB's and hormomes is unhealthy.

>>41863480
>We don't need to
but we want to

>>41863508
>but we want to
You want to

>>41851595
>Why do we have laws?

Literally all ethics comes from appeals to emotion you fucking dumbshit.

>>41861404
i feel you senpai, it will get better.

>>41848799
this jpeg doesn't even get rabbit behaviour right hahaha