What is your city/state doing to deter bad food choices? Anything?

>>41824380
Nothing, because the government has no business in forcing themselves into the voluntary choices and transactions its citizens make, you authoritarian fuck.

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>taxes

>>41824380
Nothing

The state I live in still treats its citizens with some libèrty

>>41824438
>>41824498
With regard to soda, isn't it clear that the population can't handle the freedumbs?

>According to the most recent data, adult obesity rates now exceed 35 percent in four states, 30 percent in 25 states and are above 20 percent in all states.

Every state is now above 20% obese. Not chubby, but OBESE.

>>41824514
>can't handle the freedumbs

You're not entitled to tell people what they can or cannot handle you commie fuck

>>41824521
This fuck off nigger

>>41824514
Instead of taxing shit they should just cut all welfare and health insurance aid to obese """people"""

>>41824521
Nonsense. We need to make money off these fatties like we did with smokers.

>>41824514
Its their choice
>>41824535
This is a good option, everytime you go to a doctor you should get a bf% and prices adjust accordingly

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>>41824550
>We

>>41824556
And now it is their choice to pay the tax.

>>41824550
Only smokers smoke, cocksmoker

Your logic is flawed anon

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>soda tax
I need to see fatties' reactions to this now

>>41824380
Illinois soda tax is pretty bad, I'm going to start a political movement called the Sugar Party, and we're going to pour hundreds of coke and Pepsi bottles in Lake Michigan to show that we hate the tax. I need muh sugah

>>41824562
And only people who make bad beverage decisions drink soda.

>>41824577
The tax goes into effect two weeks from now. Right now fatties rage quietly in their homes, but in 2 weeks you should see a rotund shitshow.

>>41824584
WRONG
Just because you have shitty genetics and can't handle the calories doesn't mean everyone else can't too

>>41824584
>Aim tax at fatties
>skinny cunts enjoy the occasional soda or float... why do they have to pay the fat tax too?

You statists are all the same.
We should have weekly weigh ins for those on any government welfare, if they put on weight - their "benefits" get reduced. If they're obese they get food they can cook, not an EBT card

no because they are not decrepit communists that want to purposefully ruin a well functioning industry because they are too stupid to make fat niggers pay more for healthcare

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>>41824637
>you statists are all the same
>proceededs to list off highly statist big government thing he wants done

libertarians really make you think huh

Ban food period and make the nation water fast for 2 weeks

>>41824660
Why should libertarians not at least get value for their mandated tax dollars?

We disagree with most all of the welfare bullshit. But if we have to pay we can still have an opinion

>>41824634
Just because you have shitty genetics and can't handle smoking doesn't mean everyone else can't too

>>41824380
>fat people are a financial burden on society
>make them pay society back for being a financial burden
i see no problem here

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>>41824699
I agree

My country just banned all unlimited rice promos from fast food restaurants.

>>41824438
t. fat fuck

>>41824514
>Every state is now above 20% obese.
its 30% average for the country.

Its a travesty that anything outside of staples is allowed to be purchased with food stamps. People are entitled to make poor decisions, just with their own money.

I'm surprised how many pro-soda fatties there are on /fit/.

>>41824853
>Its a travesty that anything outside of Staples is allowed to be purchased with food stamps

Agreed, food stamps should be for shitty snacks and shitty printers.

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>>41824634
>he thinks genetics will save him from his shitty diet of simple carbs because muh calories in calories out

>>41824884
Sorry I'm not dysgenic

and more importantly this is about Liberty everything else is irrelevant

>>41824926
>this is about Liberty everything else is irrelevant

In two weeks, the good people of Illinois will still be of liberty to get as chubby as they like off soda. They just have to pay for it.

>>41824599
>The tax goes into effect two weeks from now.
that explains why my brother and father have been talking about which brand of soda they're going buy 10 gallons of

>>41824438
Sure they don't. They're just going to tax the shit out of you no matter how you feel for healthcare. You can have obese people be taxed for Sosa or you can be taxed when it costs millions to combat the health issues caused by obesity.

>>41824380
letting people die because they cant afford their hospital bills.

>>41824926
Supply and demand nigga if people want soda they'll buy soda.

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Not a fatty and I don't even eat that shit, but government get out of my fucking pantry REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>41824438
fuck off, the obesity crisis costs the government a shit ton of money and generates a lot of problem.

>muh freedom faggot

In Norway everyrhing unhealthy is HEAVILY taxed. A 0,5L cola will cost you 2,4 dollar, a pack of cigs is 14 dollar, a cheap liter of vodka is 54 dollar

Philly cuck here, our soda tax is also on zero calorie drinks as well. Makes no fucking sensem the money is supposed to go to dem programs for urban youth which makes me sick already but in reality it's just more money to pay city workers more.

Soda is unhealthy as fuck, but taxing things always creates loopholes and workarounds. Basically, efforts like these just fight the symptoms and not the root cause. In this case the root causes are laziness, lack of time to exercise, market saturation of unhealthy food, lack of nutrition in popular foods, and low cost of junk food. Higher taxes on one aspect of one root cause will at best have a marginal impact on obesity and health costs. I'm not saying solutions are easy, but this isn't one of them.

Every crime should have a victim, getting fat doesn't involve one and if you think there is then fuck off. Getting fit doesn't have victims either.

>People need to be taxed so the government can just throw away more money

Sure is college kid in here

>>41825466
>but this isn't one of them
Taxing, combined with a shaming company, worked great for smoking in yurop. Of course dealing with obesity is more difficult, since even if you start eating well for once, you're still a 300+ lbs lardass. They should either go full commie (i.e. tax unhealthy food to oblivion and generally pressurise fatties to lose weight) or go full lolbertarian (no gibsmedats and let medical companies set insurance costs based on bf%). Right now it's all care, no responsibility, and that's the worst thing one can do.

>>41824698
Every single person has their version of "not with muh tax dollers"

>>41824380
The funny thing is that these taxes disproportionately effect the poor.

In the US, over 1/3 of people with household income under $30k smoke. While only 12% of earners with over $60k do. The poor spend on average 14% of their income on smokes vs 2% for the wealthy.

Almost none of the tax collected is earmarked for smoking cessation programs targeting the poor.


And the claims that the elasticity response to tax increases is .4 is laughable. Maybe when taxes were only a small portion of the product cost was the elasticity response was .4, but now that the price is so high already, that response is now purported to be as low as .07

Being poor is directly correlated to making bad choices in regards to health decisions. And I would argue that this correlation between income and smoking prevelance is more granularly related to education vs income.

The proposed Illinois soda tax has no earmarks written in to bolster health initiatives or instantiate programs. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of this taxation attempt to see what kind of elasticity response it actually results in.

>get a large population of people fat with cheap food and drink products
>now tax those products now that they're addicted to them
Scummy as fuck.

>>41826549
>effect
You think these taxes are the cause of poverty?

>>41824438
>41824556
if you dont agree with this youre a cuck boot licker.

>>41824506
Look, Americans are too stupid to have complete liberty in these kind of things. They need somebody to hold their fat little hands

>>41824438
Oh right that secret extra bit in the Consitution that teabaggers believe, 'government is never allowed to improve anything and if they do it's oppression.'

Disappointed_george_washington.jpg

>>41824634
Soda is garbage for dumb consumers you dumb faggot

Your daily reminder that George Washington PUT DOWN A REBELLION so the fledgling USA could impose a whiskey tax. Libertarians hate America and fitness.

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>>41824438

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>>41824380
>Soda tax
YES

DORITO TAX WHEN

>>41824380

americans should stop stupid taxing reforms like this and start educating their people better.

>>41827426
Absolutely not. But the poor are disproportionately effected by it. That is to say, the effect it has on the poor is significantly greater than the wealthy.

This might be justifiable if the elasticity response is or remains as strong as they purport, but the latest evidence based arguments do not lead to the conclusion of high elasticity any more.

This lower elasticity means the impact of tax increases yeilds less impact on the frwquency of smoking occurances for an even higher financial impact. Again, this may be justifiable if these funds were earmarked to aid in directly impacting smoking cessation in the poor, but this rarely occurs. Instead the increased financial burdeon, whose primary purpose is purported to be the reduction of the incidence rate of smoking, is often earmarked for other unrelated programs whose goal has nothing to do with smoking cessation.

Furthermore some studies have demonstrated that the incidence rate of smoking has been steadily shrinking irrespective of any taxes and that the largest drops in tobacco sales are strongly tied to the instantiation of public programs and education efforts.

My prediction of these so-called obesity taxes that are being put in place will have virtually no long lasting elasticity response and will have no direct or appreciable effect on the intended purpose of reducing obesity rates or diabetes because there is no earmarks for easily accesable public programs and education efforts. Time and time again we are shown across the board that education is generally the easiest and cheapest method to reduce long lasting systemic social problems, and time and time again we ignore this.

Japan has made serious ground on fighting obesity by instantiating mandatory education and consultation programs for the overweight and it is much more effective impact on the problem.

>>41824535
Have fun with that.

Left will scream poor people are too stupid to not be obese.

Right will scream death panels.

>>41828743
As a centrist, I also think it's kind of silly. We shouldn't be encouraging obesity, no, but we can't just let people become homeless due to being fat.

>>41824521
Which is why we give everybody access to atomic bombs, right? Way to go not making a nuanced argument.

>>41824438

They're gonna tax you anyway, you are delusional if you don't think this is inevitable in a normal western society.
Taxing proven unhealthy foods or drinks is the least harmful way of taxation.

>>41825322
>he thinks 3 bucks for a half liter of cola and 14 for cigs is expensive

I'll give ya Norway does tax the shit out ya

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>>41824599

>>41824438
I'd agree with you if the fat fucks that kill themselves with this shit had to pay for their own medical bills

>>41824438
>into the voluntary choices
I voluntary choose to support taxing soda so my taxes dont go into healthcare for type 2 who never ate well.

>>41824380
Texas seems to lowkey got some shit going with HEB to make veggies healthier and easier access to healthier food in general. At least in the past years I've noticed that shit getting cheaper and being pushed more and sodas going up in cost at the same time.

Idk if it's legit business or not but sometimes I notice little "liberal" shit getting around lowkey from the government. Like while everyone is anti-birth control on the record there's been legislative pushes for free birth control to lower income women so long as they don't have children already. Plus we're the greenest state and no one gives us enough credit for that shit.

My city there's been a ton more parks and sidewalks built in the past year and I see more people out now as a result. Especially with those free exercise in the park classes.

i dont understand why they do this in america because their healthcare is private. the consumer is footing the healthcare bill.

i could understand why it might happen in the uk with social healthcare.

i seriously hope they at least dont increase tax on sugar free sodas

>>41824521
>You're not entitled to tell people what they can or cannot handle you commie
This

I should be allowed to drive on the side walk

>>41828995
Obesity is more complicated than that. Someone who is obese puts more strain on society than just their medical cost.

http://stateofobesity.org/healthcare-costs-obesity/

>>41828296
I was being pedantic because it's Affect not Effect in that case.

In the case of reeducation, it's certainly important but educative strategies need to be looked at. One of the best strategies seems to be having a competitive element (who can lose the most weight) with a substantial cost to failing (so proportionate to wealth and income). UK's Channel 4 even did a TV series based around it, very interesting.

I'm somewhat wary of these sorts of interventions tho, as I in the past have been on the receiving end of medical incompetence and could easily see blind adherence to BMI (so a swole tax as well as a fat tax) and people that have gained weight suddenly and temporarily due to a medical condition getting screwed over (I had something similar to cushing's at one point and that wrecked my lean mass and fat mass for about 3 years after getting it sorted).

>>41828995
Because healthcare isn't 100% private in America.

No matter how shit our system is, we will never leave you on the streets to die. Instead we'll pay thousands to keep you alive at the bare minimum when a $30 doctor visit might have saved you and the tax payer from reaching that point. This is why our hospitals are constantly going into the red. Or more closer to home why you see posts on /fit/ about some anon who can't afford to see the doctor and is asking about X problem.

>>41824438
/thread

>>41824380
Tax unhealthy shit like soda, use that revenue to subsidize healthy shit like carrots, oats, etc.

Theoretically, if you eat healthy, you should still be saving money in the long run even if you indulge in the odd soda.

>>41824438
They're not stopping you buying it, they're just altering the price.

What are the fatties going to do? Protest March.

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Since obesity and diabetes are a result of dietary fat and animal products, and sugar consumption has been declining for 20 years with zero positive impact on anything, a soda tax does not actually do anything to help anybody.

>>41829190
That's not his argument. In fact, you bringing up them "altering the price" is his argument.

Protest waddle

>>41824380
Nothing, because it has no right to control such thing. Everyone should take it upon themselves to control what they eat and make sure they're not obese and unhealthy. What the world needs more of these days is personal responsibility and accountability.

>>41824438
This.

>>41824438
I hate Americans.

>>41825322
Norwegian prices are a special thing indeed.

They should tax chain fast food, chips, cookies and fried stuff far before taxing soda. Those are the real killers in America.

>>41827385
Mafia is going to do mafia stuff what's new?

>>41829516

Holy fuck someone with a working brain.

>>41824862
It's not that they're pro-soda, they're just brainwashed into thinking any government involvement=bad

>>41829516
>>41829637
KYS vegans.
Post sugar consumption/obesity rates since 1900 and not 1999.

>>41829560
Hate us all you want. We will still exist long after you've been swallowed up by the Caliphate.

>>41828798
Why not? They made that choice themselves so why not should they not face the consequences?

>>41824438
>you authoritarian fuck
I fucking wish we had an authoritarian government. No one would be fucking fat and I could at least walk around burger land while not being disgusted.
Also
If you don't believe that anything that's statistically unhealthy for you should be heavily taxed then you alone can pay for their bills.

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>>41829716
>we will still exist long
Hahaha
No.

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>>41829716
>>41829818
Here's a more updated no.

>>41829693

I honestly have never heard of a time when any form of US government was fiscally responsible

>Mfw obamacare

>>41824380
This tax is not about promoting health. The state is about to declare bankruptcy. It is merely another way for them to tax their residents to death.

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>>41824514
That's their choice to make. We shouldn't start taxing food, we should just cut the costs associated with obesity, like stop giving the fatasses free healthcare and disability

>>41828798
>but we can't just let people become homeless due to being fat
are you sure

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>>41824514
>>41824550
>>41824726
>>41825322
>>41827738
>>41827762
>>41827760
>>41827792
>>41829598
How will you ensure that this tax actually goes towards healthcare and not just more handouts for single mothers, refugees, and urban youths?

>>41824438
>>41824498
>>41824506
fpbp

Only cucked freedomlets will disagree. I have abs so fuck off with your "fat murican" comments

>>41824797
Go away worst korea

>>41829868
It could possibly tax them away from death?

>>41829914
This is so on the nose it's gotta be from the onion, just with the cartoonist shopped out, right?

>>41830049
Yes, it's a parody. I've posted it before and have had liberals get mad at me without realizing it's satire.

>>41828967
This. I'm a libertarian but I'm also realistic. If we have to pay for fat fucks medical bills at least raise taxes on soda and candy instead of actual food.

>>41830130
A libertarian would be concerned with getting rid of as many taxes and government regulations as possible, not adding more to cope with the current situation.

You're not a libertarian, you're a tax-and-spend liberal.

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Get me a fucking fat tax, like literally tax on being fat.

>>41827894
>americans should stop stupid taxing reforms like this and start educating their people better.

Everyone knows soda is bad. There isn't even a question about it. You'll notice this entire thread isn't about the merits of soda. Education doesn't work, people do it anyway. The same with smoking. There was no question it was bad and taxes were the best way to deter people from buying it.

>>41825405
I like how the revenue projections for the tax assumed nobody would stop buying sugary shit. Fuck these people are retarded

>>41824380
It is not right for the state to levy taxes on products such as soda because some people cannot consume it in moderation.

>>41830641
Same for cigarettes and alcohol? Or does soda get some magical exemption?

>>41830374
Fatties aren't going to stop buying it because it's twelve cents more.

>>41830315
People may have heard that soda is 'bad', but it doesn't mean they can conceptualize its impacts without actually understanding why it is bad (nutritional composition, ingredients, etc).

I doubt most people are even aware of simple calorie counts found in soda drinks, and when they start putting on weight they attribute this to other parts of their diet that could be wrongly perceived to be the lead cause. I mean, how can soda make you fat if water doesn't, liquids cannot make you fat, must have eaten too many veggies last night since they made me overly full, time to cut that shit out.

Even if the person cannot stop drinking soda for whatever reason, choosing lower caloric soda drinks could lead to some improvements.

In general, at least in the EU, I found nutritional education to be lacking in schools, especially when it is introduced as brief part of science classes that mean nothing to kids and may not understand its implications towards everyday life. There may be some students that do indeed extrapolate valuable lesson from such teachings, however most kids will simply gloss it over as part of mundane curriculum and forget about it the next day. Combine it with low engagement on part of working parents that may not have the time/money (thank you taxation) to structure nutritional meals for their kids, and you are left with masses of kids that instead of eating a fulfilling meal will have to keep buying readily available snacks in much larger quantities to keep them full compared to traditional meals/food. Since there is little to no guidance on the alternatives, kids just buy whatever they like and can afford with their pocket money to get sense of fullness.

Add the government under funding sport education in schools on top of this and urbanization of large cities which keeps reducing social places for kids to play at, thus reducing their activity and you can see how we have obesity epidemic on our hands.

>>41825405
>>41830374
Whoa its almost like the government is just trying to make themselves more money and power without benefitting the citizens in any way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/politics/articles/2017-06-15/trump-orders-government-to-stop-work-on-y2k-bug-17-years-later
>more government is a good thing and is just as effective as private business!!!!

>>41827738
This is some top-notch cringe.

>>41830094
This is satire?

>>41824577
>black market soars
>people drive a state over and buy in bulk, not just soda but everything
>state with soda tax suddenly has a huge sales tax deficit

>>41824380
These type of taxes are fucking bullshit. The government doesn't give a fuck about you, they just want more money.

>>41830315
Like the other anon said, internalizing something and just hearing "this is bad" is completely different.
"A few sodas a day won't hurt" or "my dad smoked and he never got cancer" are common excuses for people like this. People don't believe in the major scientific paradigms (climate change for example) because even if they are presented with hundreds of lifetimes of data they will refuse to believe it because they conceptually cannot fathom what's happen.

>btw not inviting a /pol/ argument with that last part

>>41828995
>>41829106
I know doctors/nurses who have been ordered to let people die because it would be too expensive to save them.
I know the same people also have let people near the brink of death purposefully because the hospital would only allow them to get the life saving surgery if they were in CRITICAL condition.
Shit's fucked m8.

>>41829560
And you are? Because these days only countries that seem to be able to wipe their own ass without us is Russia, China, and slowly Japan.

>>41831280
I can believe it. That is the down and dirty downside of capitalism.

>>41829834
Sweet, we broke 35%. Louisiana's finally hanging out at the big kids' table

>>41824562
Only fatties are fatties

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>>41824438
bait

>>41824660
Libertarians are really just thinly disguised statists.

ITT: Cucks for the government

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>>41833276
gubbment = bad MKAY???

kys mongrel

>>41824380
How about a refined oil tax?
1 gram of fat = 9 calories
1 gram of sugar = 4 calories

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>>41824380
My first thoughts are how much the Juggalos are going to be pissed. Not even from Illinois but this girl was explaining to me one time how much of that soda faygo or something the Insane Clown Possee fans buy at their festival.

>>41833318
>tripfag
>is an actual child
checks out

>>41824438
>Roads

>>41829921
Fat murican detected

does this apply to just carbonated beverages or all sugared up shitdrinks masquerading as healthy 'cuz lol vitamin c'

also, if Illinois was smart they'd just tax the companies selling it so they're forced to jack up the price. That's the Canadian way.

>>41833579
In burgerland corporations have way more rights as individuals than normal individuals, that's not including their dominance which is built in by capitalism. There's no way Illinois could tax them specifically.

>>41824438
Based libertarian posting

Seriously why are people ok with the govt cucking us on food

>>41827734
Yeah just like Britain? No fucking thanks

>>41824535
Please god

>>41824438
fpbp

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>>41833605
>corporations having operating freedom is bad

Brainlet detected

>>41833605
have fun paying for that healthcare without taxing unhealthy activities then, burgers.

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>>41824380
>>41824438
As solid of an idea the tax is, it still violates the idea of freedom of choice. It is not the governments job to tell you how to live your life be it for good or for ill.

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>>41824438

You and I would get along

>>41824438
This

>implying a sin tax has ever stopped anyone from doing anything

>>41833727
it's less to curb their choices and more to pay for their damage to society when they go into cardiac arrest at 30 and need a crane to be removed from their apartment

>>41830810
>there are people who have no issue with this

So the same fucking government that forcibly takes money from it's citizens to make sugar artificial cheap is now taking even more money to raise the price of sugar? All while citizens still are paying for it to be cheap and expensive?!!!!? What the actual fuck.

>>41833770
>its for a good cause go.. I mean guys
Just cut their welfare instead of creating more taxes for

>>41833770
Except everyone is paying for their damage to society.

>>41831052
haha, thinking fatties will not just pay the extra few pennies than *SHOCK HORROR* put in extra effort

>>41824797
Why is that a thing

>>41831280
yeah, social health care is pretty much standard for a developed country that isn't total shit

>>41833814
>>41833832
you burgers are literal retards. you tax things that cause issues like soda, fast food, cigarettes and alcohol because they eventually become a burden on society. people who have half a brain will either not indulge in these things often or have some sense with them

if you don't eat fast food or drink soda, this isn't a tax increase for you. since you're browsing this board, this shouldn't be an issue at all. and yeah, everyone is paying for their damage to society because of how brutally fucked your taxation system is, nobody wins and everyone pays.

>>41833896
If the money actually went to healthcare it would be good.

Instead it will probably go to single mothers and refugees.

Honestly a fat tax makes more sense. Plenty of skellies drink soda and eat junk food, just not in retarded quantities.

>>41833909
Again, that's something that should have been dealt with when revamping your healthcare system. Unfortunately 60 years of precedent wasn't enough and niggerjesus decided to wing it and try something new.

>>41833896
>people who have half a brain will either not indulge in these things often or have some sense with them

Clearly, 30% of America don't have half a brain and the states have to step in and help them not be so damn retarded.

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I'm torn. On one hand, I hate fat people and want to see them suffer. On the other hand, REEEEEEEEEEEEE GOVERNMENT GET OUT

>>41833690
I didn't choose this life :(

>>41833896
>all this dancing around the problem
There is no reason to start another welfare fund through taxation when these fatties are already recieving welfare. Cut what they get already becore you give the government another pile of money that will be almost certainly be spent in the least efficient way possible.

>>41831052
Like fatties have that kind of determination.

>>41824438
extremely good post, far too many statists on a board dedicated to self-improvement

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>>41833530
Fuck you got me, I'm crying into my fat folds and downing my fries

Based Illinois

>>41824438
First of all, Obesity damages society by increasing healthcare costs, forcing people to make expensive things that allow fat fucks to live semi-normal lives, and by increasing tax burden in societies where there is some sort of disability welfare or taxpayer-funded healthcare system. Thus, obesity incurs a cost on wider society that the obese person does not fully feel or pay for. This is a negative externality

Taxes like this serve to internalise the negative externalities, making the individual contribute more to paying off the negative effects of their actions.

Second, these taxes prevent such negative events from arising in the first place. A tax on shit that easily makes people fat stops them from consuming it and causes them to shift to other things. Thus, fewer people get fat in the first place, and less has to be spent bailing the fat fucks out

>>41827385

Soda and other sugar-sweetened beverages have relatively elastic demand, so a 10% increase in price by a tax would cause a reduction in consumption of more than 10%. These taxes decrease consumption more than they increase cost.

This is the aim of the tax, to generate as little revenue as possible. If revenue is decreasing, the tax is working

>>41833718
taxes dont violate freedom of choice in the slightest. the soda companies can easily lower their cost to offset said tax

>>41835294
>Soda and other sugar-sweetened beverages have relatively elastic demand

That's a pretty strong assumption there buddy, soda doesn't really have any true substitutions leading to a fairly inelastic demand. If there were applicable substitutions we would see those items in restaurants right by the sodas. Currently only juice and alcohol really compete, but how much orange juice is ordered at a restaurant compared to coke?

>>41835498
It's not an assumption, it's taken from these two papers. Couldn't be asked to go looking for loads of data or any meta-analyses for the sake of a 4chan post lol

Was going to put links to the relevant papers here, but the spam filter doesn't like it. Google Price Elasticity of Demand for sugar sweetened beverages or something like that and you should get some good results. The ones I found put the elasticity coefficient at about -1.15 to -1.35 on average, with it becoming more elastic for poorer areas.

I'm guessing this is because most soda is bought on-the-go in small bottles, where an increase in price may cause people to get water or something else instead. Can't find any proper data though.

>>41833530
I'm not fat.

t. The actual guy you replied to. Ignore the white guy

>Taxing the citizens rather than taxing the corporations while adding heavily regulation on their manufacturing and quality of products

>>41836066
>Macroeconomists HATE him click here to learn how one man ruined a nations economy and made companies relocate overseas

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>>41836010
>ignore the white guy >>41834879
>implying people can't share opinions
>implying you're the only American itt
I was on your side but now I see you're just a govcuck as well
Get out of my country

>>41834879
You just embarrassed yourself on an anonymous underwater brap breathing board.

Horrible photo skill
No abs
ego so bruised you felt the need to post a pic of yourself.

>>41824438
>He still drinks fluoridated water

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>>41836145
>A-all Americans are o-obese guyz
>h-haha get rekt
Shouldn't Eurofags be asleep by now? Unless you're one of those French-butchering leafs :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyZ5hzEWj4w

>>41824438
This

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Guys, this isn't about health.

Illinois is bankrupt!
This is desperation.

>>41834202
Smokers sure do.

>>41834879
What abs? This body is a joke.

>>41824438

Unironically this.

>>41836967
It's a penny per ounce. Even driving a city over wouldn't be worth it, let alone a state away.

>>41824380
nothing because it's ran by fat fucks

>>41828967
/thread

>mfw i own a sodastream

nice try uncle sam but i'm gonna drink whatever I want and you can't do a damn thing about it

>>41825405

It was supposed to go towards schools but they pulled that last minute. Now my sips are taxed :(

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>>41824438
Based

>>41834585
wtf are you saying faggot

>>41837387

based lord buckethead almost ousted Maybot

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>>41837446
He was the hero the britbongs needed

>>41834585
This time is when the yuropoors are awake.

All yurocucks are statist communists.

>>41824380
I want the govt to stay out of my diet. I don't want to have to fork out $15 for a bottle of mountain dew the one time of the year I have cravings for it because some fat fuck cant make the right life choices

>>41824380
>could

Illinois is the perfect example of exactly how to not do things. They are teetering on bankruptcy. This tax is really just moralizing as a desperate attempt at a cash grab.

>>41824535
I think that we just need to "round" up all the obese people and put them into camps where they can "concentrate" on losing weight.

>>41826549
God dammit, you are making a convincing argument for me to want to keep the tax.

You are making me choose between my hatred for poor people who buy soda and my hatred for liberal taxes.

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>>41824380
How about we just stop fucking subsidizing corn, get rid of food stamps (or at least make it so they can't buy soda), and stop subsidizing fat people with regulations on what insurance companies can charge.

>>41826549
A lot of people are poor because they make bad decisions with their money. These taxes help guide them toward the right decisions.

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>>41824380

>2017
>deciding what to eat or drink yourself
>shiggyboo

Get on fin lvl

>>41833808
Kek.

Two cuckings in one.

>>41838071
>finland above the UK and Sweden
I don't believe it.

>>41831221
I long for the day when global ecological collapse will finally be on us.

All the normie tears will be worth it.

>>41833808
>>41838130
There is a difference between the federal government (and its taxes) and state governments (and their taxes).

>>41830705
In short = dumb people incapable of taking responsibility and doing some research of their own get fat

They all fucking deserve it. Only thing makes me mad is I have to pay for their healthcare through the tax.

>>41824380
Based Russia - we banned american food imports alltogether back in the 90ths since found it its all essentially chemical poison.

>>41838147
It's all the same pile just dividend up into separate piles. Source for the money is the same.

>>41825322

Pretty much the same thing in Finland except the income level is much lower.

>>41824380
not doing fast food ads, not allowing absolute garbage tier food to be sold. guess what state i live in (hint its not in america but somewhere white)