Vegan General

But you're forcing us to see your thread.

>>41813925
How about ignoring it if you don´t want to see it?

>>41813932
This, I don't care about your milk and chicken threads, so you don't care about 1 (one!) vegan thread on this entire board.

>>41813910
I'm not a vegan and I have no strong feelings for or against this lifestyle, but that comic made me kek

But isn't your thread the reverse of the comic? The guy in the chair pulling his head out to the guy outside?

>>41813953
Basicly meat eaters visiting this thread and complaining about this is what this comic is about.

>>41813964
But that doesn't make sense. You're the one coming in here with your thread about veganism. It's the total opposite of the comic.

>>41813910
Yo Vegans, I'm looking more ways to prepare my foliage. Chopping it up, oiling it, and baking it was pretty palatable, but counter productive with all that oil and salt. Stir fry uses less, but I'd like some tasty plant meat that isn't ruined by additives.

Are vegetarians welcome?

Also OP pic is truth
>why aren't you eating meat anon?
>oh, I'm vegetarian
>GEE ANON I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.
AREN'T YOU PROTIEN DEFICIENCT?
MY GREAT GRANPA WAS A FARMER AND HIS COWS TOLD ME THEY WERE HAPPY.
DID YOU KNOW LETTUCE CONTRIBUTES MORE TO CLIMATE CHANGE THAN PORK? I SAW IT IN A TED TALK LAST YEAR.
>STOP TRYING TO PUSH YOUR LIFESTYLE ONTO ME

The protien one makes me kek when I'm usually way bigger than the nerd yelling at me.

>>41813988
You are coming to the only vegan thread on the whole board to complain about it.
This board is about fitness and some vegans happen to care about that as well.
Where if not here should this thread be?

I started living vegan a few years ago and it really improved my life! I feel a lot healthier (no deficiency of any kind), am more active, am no longer overweight and don't damage the environment so badly anymore.

I believe that many humans are meant to be vegan, at least I am. The smell or sight of milk and meat make me almost vomit now.

So to all of you skeptics, please try being vegan for a single month and see if like/can handle it before jugding others.

>>41813999
>Vegetarians allowed as long as they don't push their diets.
What did OP mean with this?

>>41814004
can you lift tho?

>>41814020
Obviously I can't read. Thanks anon.
Do vegans ITT eat honey?

>>41814003
>Where if not here should this thread be?

/ck/ You know. The FOOD board.

>>41814023
I go to the gym but mostly do cardio but there are many strongbuild vegans (don't think this green guy is anywhere near the best we can offer)

Yes, I know you won't get your "needed" 180g of protein without vegan protein powder but in times where two thirds of Americans are overweight or obese and /fat/ being one of the busiest boards on /fit/, shouldn't eating less calorie dense food and more vegetables be more important for the general society?

>>41814043
If it is mainly about recipies or taste I agree, if it is about nutrition and protein it belongs here as well as other diet threads.

totes just had a chicken mcnugget. You realize that the most successful animals on the planet for populations and comfy lives are the ones we farm for food?

>>41814068
b-but the chickn feelings ;_;

>>41814052
I am only a vegetarian and only bike a lot.
I passed e-bikes on the uphill after i was driving 50km already and make good progress at the moment.
I am pushing about 3,5-4W/kg FTP at this point already.
And no, since I don´t train lifting I obviously can´t do it well.

>>41813992
I also plan to try grilling them soon, but that's still only like 3-4 prep methods.
As a contribution: I learned that when using stir fry sauce or similar, soak your onions in them. Brings out the best of both flavors.

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How do you deal with the massive drop in testosterone + low mood by only eating vegetables?

>>41813953
this isn't forcing their views onto anyone. it's just a discussion thread. if this was forcing, so are all the non-vegan food threads.

>>41814361
>drop in testosterone + low mood
Didn´t happen to me, since I stopped eating meat my libido and amount of sperm per ejacuation have increased whle my mood did get better.

>>41814361
>massive drop in testosterone + low mood by only eating vegetables

doesn't exist


Do people on /fit/ seriously believe a ftm who happens to be vegan is a good representant of the vegan community?

>>41814031
I don't eat honey. I don't know too much about the ethics of it, as it apparently varies quite a bit depending on the honey's source. I just don't like being inconsistent.

>>41813910
>Meat eaters not allowed
what do you have against homosexuals, my man?

>>41814361
I felt pretty shitty for around a week after I switched to veganism. After that I felt better than before.

>>41814031
>Do vegans ITT eat honey?
I don't because it's just another form of sugar.

>>41814052
>shouldn't eating less calorie dense food and more vegetables be more important for the general society?
One does not necessitate the other.
Calorie density does not matter anyway, it's total calories and avoiding simple carbohydrates (including vegan simple carbohydrates) that is important.

The variety of food required for a balanced vegan diet is not sustainable on a global scale. It is a privilege afforded to those in developed countries who wish to believe they are minimizing their impact on animals and/or the environment by modifying a trivial aspect of their lives because it has easily quantifiable effects while ignoring the larger impact the entire rest of their lifestyle has.

How do you cope with the dangers of veganism? I keep hearing these horror stories and decided the negatives vastly outweigh the positives.

>>41814554
Such as what? The only thing I can think of is possible B12 deficiency which is very easily avoidable

>>41814554
How do you cope with the dangers of eating meat? I keep seeing these horror stories (my 600 lbs life, my big fat fabulous life, the average American fatass, obese children, high diabetes rates, the billions spending on health care for overweight people, etc., etc.) and decided the negatives vastly outweigh the positives.

Can vegans ITT post what they eat for breakfast and lunch? I'm vegetarian but I'd like to eat less eggs/dairy.

I'm pretty creative dinner wise but for breakfast and lunch I'm too ingrained in the idea of eggs/cheese/yoghurt with bread or cereal.
>>41814514
>The variety of food required for a balanced vegan diet is not sustainable on a global scale.
>implying eating 280g of meat per person per day is sustainable
>implying livestock + byproducts doesn't account for 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions and 80-90% of US water consumption
>implying that these percentages are 'trivial'
>implying eating meat is not a privilege afforded to those in developed countries who choose to forget they are exploiting the rest of the world
Kill yourself my man.

>>41814514
>sustainable on a global scale
Apart from veganism, almost nothing of the Western life style is sustainable on a global scale. Earth only has enough resources for 1-2 billion people living on Western standards, while we are expecting over 10 billion people at the end of the century.

>>41814387
it does exist dude, it happened to me like 3 weeks into veganism. started eating eggs and everything went back to normal, i guess it's different for different people

>>41814582
>control group is general population

>>41814609
Two third overweight or obese IS the general population. How many of these obese fat shits are vegan?

>>41814598
I generally eat cocks for breakfast

>>41814598
tofu scramble bro. i honestly prefer it to scrambled eggs, the tofu absorbs spices so well

>>41814598
Define meat. I ask this because people sometimes use "meat" to mean specifically beef because they are retarded.
>implying livestock + byproducts doesn't account for 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions and 80-90% of US water consumption
"No."
Livestock does not account for more greenhouse gas emissions than all other human industry and combined. You have been lied to by people pushing an agenda.
>implying eating meat is not a privilege afforded to those in developed countries who choose to forget they are exploiting the rest of the world
It isn't. Fish, fowl and, yes, even red meat are consumed worldwide. The first two especially are staples. Insects and other arthropods too, but some idiots consider some arthropods fish.

Also
>I care about the animals
>I eat eggs and dairy
>Letting cattle graze in fields and be cows until the day they are slaughtered is less humane than keeping chickens and cows in chickenhell and cowhell, respectively
Why don't you just keep your own chickens for egg production and ensure their welfare yourself? It's not difficult or expensive to do.

>>41814613
Do you understand what a control group is?

>Two third overweight or obese IS the general population. How many of these obese fat shits are professional curlers?
>Lauren Epsom Dolores Sit Amen, professional curling is the only way to stop obesity

>>41814682
chickens that aren't bred to lay eggs lay like 10 eggs a year or something

>>41814698
Yes, and?
There are dozens of varieties of chickens bred to lay eggs that are not the same can't-stand-or-move-all-white chickens you find in commercial farms. They will happily roam over as large a space as you make available to them, doing chicken things, and still provide you with an ample source of eggs.

>>41814682
>Why don't you just keep your own chickens for egg production and ensure their welfare yourself?
>why don't you just keep your own slaves for labor and ensure their welfare yourself

Using animals is SLAVERY, nothing else.

>>41814718
bro why do you keep phrasing your questions so condescendingly? If you get chickens that are bred to lay many eggs, you're supporting an industry that kills male chickens

>>41814724
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>41814740
One day all animals will stand up, united to defeat the biggest enemy this planet ever had.

On this day, you'll regret raping, torturing and killing all these animals.

>>41814738
>If you get chickens that are bred to lay many eggs, you're supporting an industry that kills male chickens
The varieties I'm suggesting you buy are not industrialized. Have you even seen a live chicken in person?

>>41814752
>raping
You're laying it on too thick my man. You were believable up until this point.

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>>41814778
>cows are not raped to produce milk

>>41814769
If someone breeds a chicken for the sole purpose of egg laying, what do they do with the males? They are useless for their business, so they kill them.

>>41814782
i love that comic

>>41814782
>fuck off it's not like I kill them
I've never heard anyone say anything like this.

I don't think vegans understand humans. Are they autistic?

I have personally killed at least 400 animals. Quality of life up until death is what matters.

Everything dies.

Anyway the anon I was replying to is the one that keeps cows in rape cowhell. I don't consume dairy.

>>41814682
>Define meat. I ask this because people sometimes use "meat" to mean specifically beef because they are retarded.
Beef, lamb, pork, venison, you name it.
>"No."
>Livestock does not account for more greenhouse gas emissions than all other human industry and combined. You have been lied to by people pushing an agenda.
Cool. I'll show you my sources if you show me yours.
http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/study-claims-meat-creates-half-of-all-greenhouse-gases-1812909.html
https://gelr.org/2015/10/23/a-leading-cause-of-everything-one-industry-that-is-destroying-our-planet-and-our-ability-to-thrive-on-it-georgetown-environmental-law-review/
>It isn't. Fish, fowl and, yes, even red meat are consumed worldwide. The first two especially are staples. Insects and other arthropods too, but some idiots consider some arthropods fish.
Have you ever actually been to a poor country? I have. I stayed with a poor family, although they were well off by Gambian standards. They had a goat and two chickens. They ate meat like twice a year because it's fucking unaffordable. You actually have to slaughter the animal to eat it, you know. That means you have to get a new one. Fish maybe once a month because there isn't that much fish in the river. Meat hasn't been a 'worldwide staple' since our hunter-gatherer days. Try imagining a self-sustaining household, owning animals and all, producing 280g of meat per day. Impossible.
>Why don't you just keep your own chickens for egg production and ensure their welfare yourself? It's not difficult or expensive to do.
I don't give a shit about animal welfare. I care about greenhouse gas emissions and water usage.

>>41814833
I hear that all the time

>>41814833
Vegans lack the nutrition to adequately participate in reason and logic, aka what separates us from beasts. Their shriveled, useless brains cannot possibly comprehend social interaction and group mechanics. They are too easily angered, governed by instinct over thought, and as a result, have more empathy for animals, especially unintelligent creatures like cows, chickens, and fish, because they have more in common with them than that of humans.

>tl;dr
Vegcucks are more animal than human

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Look at all these happy sheep :)

>>41814839
>Beef, lamb, pork, venison, you name it.
So fish and arthropods aren't included. I see you are retarded.

>my sources
Your three sources are the same; the worldwatch report written by two world bank advisers that alleges that the UN finding is wildly underestimating the impact of livestock. The second is a summary of that same report and the third is an essay which has many sources, but only a few contended sources, and the source which is the pillar of their argument is that same worldwatch report.

I do not trust the worldwatch report over the UN report because worldwatch is a group of ideologues that don't like, among other things, nuclear energy; they sincerely believe that cutting our energy production to meet their pet energy source output and moving industry to other nations, thereby resulting in no net reduction in greenhouse gas emission, is a good plan.

Your claim--that UN estimations of greenhouse gas emissions are off by a factor of more than 2, and that livestock produce more greenhouse gas than all other human activity and industry combined, requires some measure of proof. Your single dubious source is not it.

But don't take my word for it--the worldwatch report is also not accepted by anyone outside of the subculture you are a part of it.

You are the climate change denier in this instance. :^)

>Have you ever actually been to a poor country?
I've been all over south america and southeast asia.

>They had a goat and two chickens. They ate meat like twice a year because it's fucking unaffordable. You actually have to slaughter the animal to eat it, you know.
Why did they keep the goat and two chickens--surely as pets for companionship? Are we just ignoring all animal products that serve as parts of diets except meat now?

>Try imagining a self-sustaining household, owning animals and all, producing 280g of meat per day. Impossible.
Why the requirement that they own all the animals? Why arbitrarily exclude fish and arthropods?

>>41814867
you can tell this guy eats fish, because he's casting out some serious bait

>>41813910
what we eating today boiz. just cooked up some spicy quinoa bean and corn dish

>>41814839
>>41814984
>I don't give a shit about animal welfare.
Then why argue for it?

>I care about greenhouse gas emissions and water usage.
I don't think you understand how water works. I believe your concern regarding livestock-produced greenhouse gas emissions is misplaced.

I have to go, because it is late where I am. Feel free to take that as admitting defeat if you wish. I may see replies you make in ~18 hours, if the thread is still up.

>>41814984
How about you post your sources as the guy asked you to do?

>>41814889
Looks pretty tastey

Wee cheeky cottage pie doon ma neck.

>>41814724
this

>>41815012
sure
LIVESTOCK'S LONG SHADOW
http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM
>18%
:^)

>>41813910
shoo shoo gains goblin

Why do these threads always turn into annoying arguments instead of vegan discussion?

gay bois

>>41815043
Because people are getting easily triggered by different opinions now.

>ramadan threads turn into crusade worshipper threads
>vegan threads have the same arguments healthy vs. unhealthy, environmental problems vs. no environmental problems, gains vs. no gains, etc.
>threads with one post about a shitty woman turn into r9k women hate threads
>threads with one post of the #SwoleLeft turn into /pol/ promoting racism

and so on

>>41815066
the truth of national socialism is self-evident in nature. racism promotes itself

>>41815083
>>41815043
see?

>>41815093
because veganism is right on the border of politics and when you make a thread about politics all of a sudden everyone has something to say.

shit goes off on different tangents because one guy makes fun of /pol/ so someone from /pol/ gets mad so now some faggot from antifa is triggered and now normal conservatives who don't like antifa are mad and so on and so on.

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>>41815066
also ramadan threads deserve to be shit on islam is cancer

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look another lisa simpson thread

point at them and laugh

>>41814984
>So fish and arthropods aren't included. I see you are retarded.
The impact of fish and arthropods on co2/water usage are not at all comparable. Also if you look up meat in a dictionary this is roughly what it says. Why do I need to use a different definition for meat than the rest of the world? That doesn't seem beneficial to the conversation.
>I do not trust the worldwatch report over the UN report because (...)
It's all a giant conspiracy? Of course it is, but feel free to point out where exactly they are wrong. Even if they were off by a factor 2 and the UN report is correct, your claim that the impact of meat is 'trivial' is fucking retarded.
>Why did they keep the goat and two chickens--surely as pets for companionship? Are we just ignoring all animal products that serve as parts of diets except meat now?
They kept them for milk and eggs.
>>Try imagining a self-sustaining household, owning animals and all, producing 280g of meat per day. Impossible.
>Why the requirement that they own all the animals? Why arbitrarily exclude fish and arthropods?
It's a thought experiment to hopefully make you see how many animals a single person actually needs for average daily consumption.
>>41815009
>Then why argue for it
I'm not arguing for animal welfare. Can you read?
>I don't think you understand how water works
Literally what? Are you saying fresh water is not a limited resource?
>heh... Nothing personal kid
Kill yourself

>>41815024
So lmao18% is what you call trivial?

>>41815043
meatniggers can never shut the fuck up and stop preaching their shit

whatever you believe about consuming animals,

vegans must admit their food tastes like shit

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>>41815261
>fruits and vegetables taste like shit

>>41813910

After I turned vegan, I also started sucking dicks for protein. Veganism - not even once

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Has anyone made this joke yet?

been vegan about a year now happy & healthy eating all the food i like

>>41815268
fruits and vegetables aren't vegan food, they're fruits and vegetables, i mean shit prepared exclusively for vegans that looks and tastes like barf like pomegranate nuggets or zuchinni burgers

but you'll probably reply with another picture that misconstrues what i say, the typical deprived vegan brain at work

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>>41815331

>>41814387
Pretty sure it was bait, every fucking time one of these threads gets made this shit happens. the whole thread turns into meme argument vs meme argument. And then vegantrap comes along and shits up the thread even more

>>41815331
that's a bad representative of what vegans eat. most vegans barely touch it

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>>41815331
food for vegans

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>>41815331
vegan

>>41815305
This whole thread is that joke.

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>>41815331
vegan foods

>>41815331
ben and jerry's vegan icecream is lit fammie

>>41815359
>>41815365
>>41815379

weird, im not a vegan but i could eat those

guess its not vegan food

>>41815392
can assure that food is all vegan

>>41815392
fuck off dude, stop shitting up the board

i have more energy than ever putting in over 15hours solid training last week

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>>41815419
be grateful, we're the only ones bumping your shitty thread

>>41815392
so its not vegan because a meat eater eats it uh logic...

>>41814598
>>implying livestock + byproducts doesn't account for 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions
Vegan here. Actually, it doesn't. The number is about 18%. The 51% number Cowspiracy claims is from a 70s study that erroneously factored in the CO2 from cow exhalation. I don't remember the exact explanation because I am retarded, but it has to do with the fact that that CO2 is part of a carbon cycle. The analog would be claiming that CO2 fumes from cars that burn bioethanol count as emissions, when they really don't count because the bioethanol plants drew that CO2 from the atmosphere to grow up. That said, >>41814682 to imply that meat isn't a luxury we can do less of with is retarded

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>>41813925
>>41813953
>>41813988
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>>41814043
>Implying there aren't daily threads on /fit/ about tuna or chicken recipes, GOMAD, which whey to buy etc

>>41814382
>>41814387
>>41814409
Vegans are liars as usual.

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

>>41814582
>100% of people who eat meat become morbidly obese
Vegans are stupid and try to bend reality to fit there own personal beliefs as usual.

>>41813910
>Hey guys please get out of my own vegan safe space here in furchan I created it so you must not share opinions I don't like
>Tttt-tthanks

>>41815422
You have high omega 6 and because of this your cellular energy is being fucked up and compensating for this

https://blog.bulletproof.com/carl-lewis-vegan/

>>41816327
>Those pesky vegans, always spamming the board and pushing their "agenda" and views on me!

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>>41813932

>>41816531
but but i do like it

>>41816531
False analogy, you can filter it and never see it again, unlike fatties irl. Please read >>41816207

>>41816363

>Implying the biggest factor of omega 6 in the average man's diet isn't the animal fat they eat .

Unless you eat exclusively grass feed meat or very lean meat you're getting most of your omega 6 through meat & egg rather than through any vegan food .

>>41816606
And don't use the fucking vegetable oil argument.

Nobody who dig even 1cm deep into nutrition would keep consuming any kind of vegetable oil beside coconut & maybe olive / macadamia .

>>41816620
so.. they would then?>

>>41816287
Do you know what "total testosterone" is and how it differs from bioavailable, free and serum testosterone? Do you know the protective effects on cancers of a minor decrease in the first one that doesn't affect the last one? Did you actually read the 30+ yo papers you link with a minimum reading comprehensions of the terms used? Did you even read the last two studies 30+ yo studies you proposed, actually used to argue the contrary (e.g. the first one is reviewed 10+ years later in BMJ. 1992 Sep 12; 305) or something completely different? Did you even ever read a study made in the last 20 years?
Fuck off.

>>41816531
>tfw someone obeys the sign as an excuse to run her over

>>41816640
Anon just hide his post. Look in the archives for the links he posted. He has been spamming them for months, anon's (including non vegans) have refuted them one by one and he just keeps posting them and calling everyone a memer and a shill.
Hide his post and don't reply.

>>41816606
>taking shitposts so seriously
You realise if you hadn't tried to set rules for the thread like a fucking Neopian, no one would have batted an eye, right? There are vegan/veggo threads on /fit/ all the time, and shitposts in literally every single thread on 4chan.

>>41815305

Kek

This

Dat denial

>>41816671
I'm not the op , I'm not even vegan or vegetarian .

But the main reason vegan people ten to be healthy is because they heavily reduce their omega 6 intake;

The one who looks like skeletons with unholy Aura are the one who eat soy & cook with vegetable oils for years .

>>41816287
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181

>8 participants

How's that power level lad, whew

>>41813910

Serious question, what are cheap ways to get more protein into my diet? I'm poor.

>>41816735
Chickpeas, lentils, and beans

>>41816735
Lentils , beans
Avoid soy like the pest .

And don't be afraid of carbs for fuck sake , if you get your carbs from shit like lentils & beans it will never cause any problem .

>>41816735
you don't need high protein but nuts, oats, rice esc

>>41816760
reppin that 80/10/10

>>41816760
There is literally nothing wrong with soy. Inb4 phytoestrogens

>>41816760

Avoiding soy is a meme. It's fine in moderation.
Also, lentils, per 100g (according to Google) gives me only 9g protein. Pinto beans are 21g per 100g. Nuts are high in fats, brown rice isn't that high, and oats are minimal.

I'm getting like 75g at most, and 39g at least. It's not good famalam.

>>41813932
How about you ignore posts about meat itt?

Ok new vegan here.

How do you guys manage to get all your amino acids on a cut? I am always short on methionine. Its also generally hard to get enough protein without conpletely fucking up your calories and going over.

>>41816789
>lentils, per 100g gives only 9g protein.
Anon, that is cooked lentils. Raw lentils are about 26g protein for 350 kcal (100 g). Assuming a modest to low 2400 kcal TDEE and 3 meals a day, eating 800 kcal lentils is easily 60 g protein. And that is just 1 meal.

>>41815231
It's reactionary. Many vegans have learned the benefits of being less preachy but meat eaters are sick of when they were and will hound vegans until the end of time about it.

>>41816789
9/100 is for the cooked one , 100g of uncooked lentil will yield around 250g of cooked .

Here in France I can buy 1kg on lentil for 1.77€ ( 2$)

That's 260g of proton for 2$

7.7$/ Kg protein , that's cheaper than the cheapest shitty my protein whey in promo .

>>41813910
chicken is fucking awesome get rekt scrubs im going to eat an extra chicken for every post in this thread.

>>41816833
Enjoy your omega 6 fatty acid my dude .

>>41816811
just move more

>>41816833
>Being this triggered when your worldview is challenged
>>>/tumblr/

>>41816833
ok honey bun

>>41816811
>methionine
Can't be fucked to Google it, but I remember reading that grains are high in methionine but low in lysine, and legumes are the opposite. So your best bet is 100 g seitan per day for 75 g protein and lots of methionine

>>41816841
This

The reason carbs are demonized by your average lardball is because they are sedentary piece of shit who spend 95% of their time near 100% glycogen sore .

More carbs = you can do more exercise .

Less meat & more veggie = Less inflamation = Better,faster recovery = you can do more exercise , more often .

The kings of the kangz is bicycling , since the impact is low you can spend hours & hours cycling everyday , my current TDEE is near 4000 and I weight 65 kg .

>>41814361
I'm not a vegan (you can't eat a political ideology) but I found the opposite was true.

When I started eating 90% whole grains, produce, and legumes, my body felt so much cleaner, shit darker and firmer, high energy, high test.

Eating lots of red meat, lots of dairy, and fried things makes me feel kind of lethargic, like how I imagine the average fat person feels all the time.

You don't have to be a soy-eating faggot to eat right, but you do have to resist the evil of veganism while basically maintaining a "vegan" diet.

>>41816875
running is where its at tho ;)

80-100 miles per week strava?

>>41816889
running is good but is it something that you could sustain for a long period of time even with the best running technique & shoes ?

>>41816897
ive done 6 hours im sure i could do 10

>>41816897
https://www.strava.com/athletes/15752364

>>41816917
Nice, make me want to go running again .
Currently i'm only cycling , do you know if it has any carryover to running ?
( I'm shit at both btw , my 5k time is 24 min at best ... )

>>41816941
yh it does! but not the otherway around

>>41816963
Cool
Nice doggo btw .
Are good shoes really necessary If I have a good posture & a forefoot strike ?

>>41816977
you know im just working towards barefoot! but yes in general for rocks glass exc... i only barefoot run on grass and very smooth concrete at the moment give myself 6 months to get in to it.. also grip on very muddy surfaces

>>41816977
i would go for last generation asics or somthing standard if you are getting back in to it there is so many options to try

>>41813992
What kind of foliage you got? Stir-fries and curries are my go-to in general though.

>>41814598
Often I only have two meals a day but when I do eat breakfast I usually have a bagel or fresh fruit. Really though you could easily swap out yoghurt for vegan yoghurt and things like that if you wanted.

>>41816811
Bragg's liquid aminos has methionine. Don't know how much though.

>>41813910
I mostly eat beans with potatoes sometimes rice instead. I also take vitamin D3 and B12 pills. Am I missing anything important in my diet?

>>41817057
flavonoids, vitamin c, water, minerals exc just eat some f&v

>>41816814
>>41816823

These posts are contradictory? Cooked or uncooked is better? Any good recipes to make them delicious and healthy?

>>41816671
>>41816700

Woah, what the fuck? I quoted entirely the wrong post, meant to quote >>41816573
Mah bayd.

>>41817086
Potatoes have plenty vitamin c fyi.

>>41817144
yh if you eat them raw

>>41813910
A reminder that you'll never make it as a vegan. You can deny it but you know thats why you look like shit, and I know it. The only reply I'll take seriously is a bodypic of you making it as vegan.

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>>41817258

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>>41817285

>This dude that pretty obviously juices made it
>The roids don't make that big of a difference if he did it then I can

>>41817285
Thats not you you fucking mong. Post a picture of yourself. Of course you can google it and find someone who roids.

>>41817343
what do you mean by making it pic related is not my ideal body comp

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/supermeat-real-meat-without-harming-animals-food-technology#/

Is this our solution guys?

>>41817452
but don't you realise veganism is the solution

>>41817159
Damn it should've figured

>>41817452
I'm only vegan because of my health. Lab grown meat is only the solution for when I want to cheat on myself.

>>41817496
how long have you been vegan?

>>41814361
Hey that is just not a fact
I'm a master level 18 vegan and my test levels are the same of a Silverback gorilla I've never made a blood test but I'm 100% sure that my level of test is 10 times higher than a filthy meat eater It's just how it is my fellow meat eater my feelings tell me so and that is enough scientific proof for anyone
don't hate me because of my superior diet remember you can become vegan anytime you want and enjoy gorilla level test
>Inb4 you respond with some retarded article attacking veganism
You meat eaters are the worst

>>41817532
5 weeks. My typical daily diet is eat 3 cups pinto beans, 2 cups fruit, kimchi for the probiotic meme. Sometimes when I just want to leave the house as soon as I wake up, I'll be a dipshit and down a whole a can of nuts. Nuts never make me feel full. Gives my insides a greasy feeling. My macros probably sound shitty but I only care about losing weight right now. Earlier on this lifestyle change I ate more calories. So far gone from 211 to 201. Not gonna stop being vegan when I get lean.

>>41817685
cool i've been vegan a year i started the same way but now im totally in it for the animals you will change when you learn about the industry's

>>41817685
i eat around 5000 calories a day i am 165lb & run 80 mile a week 80/10/10

>>41817685
my bmi is now 24 was 33 i was 17st10 now 12st i now eat more than i every did

Lol leaf cucks

>>41817132
You can't eat them uncooked , I usually stove cook a lot of onion , mushroom , tomatoes in coconut oil + a tons of different spice and mix all of it with the drained lentils once they're done cooking .
>>41817774
Are you the runningbro with his cool doggo ?
If yes , thanks my dude , just went for a 6 km run with my doggo after 1 month + of no running .

How do I stop drinking milk & eating offals

>>41817906
yes im the doggo running dude, switch it for soy or oatly i dont know what offel is ? like dog food?

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>>41817906
Soy milk tastes the same to me

>>41817906
i also find this video helps with milk
https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI

>>41817132
The two posts say the same thing, which is that 100g cooked lentils being too little food. I didn't say you should eat them raw, I said that raw lentils and not cooked should be used as the metric for comparison to other food items. You can't cry that "100 g cooked lentils have only 9 g protein" because you wouldn't eat only 100 g cooked lentils, because that is only 116 kcal which is half an Auschwitz tier portion

>>41817985
Nice, I think this sold me the /NOMILK/

But is soy milk really good or should I just drop milk ( soy or cow ) altogether ? I'm really afraid of Omega 6 since I read the full wiki page on the fatty acid metabolism and it seems like Soymilk contain 1+ g per cup .

>>41817981
Enjoy your low test

>>41817981
When I first became vegan I thought the same, but after I had been vegan for a while I found that regular milk had a really gross sticky taste to it.

>>41817906
Look at various types of vegan milks and find one you like. Personally, I'm a fan of almond and cashew, but I know some vegans prefer soy.

>>41818034
i would drop the cow milk and use the soy as you please its practically water flavored with soy anyway + its normally fortified with b12 which you cant source from a vegan diet easily
running dude

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>>41814985

Toasty bantz my man

can I call myself a vegan if I only eat chicken products

>>41818067
But around half of the fat in soy is omega 6 PUFA
If this image>>41817981 is true that would mean the cup of soy milk would contain 2 g of omega 6 , offcourse if you drop meat you also drop like 80% of your old Omega 6 intake but wouldn't it be better to just dodge soy ?

>>41818199
You can call yourself straight and yet fuck traps anon, that doesn't make you straight

>>41818213
There is literally nothing wrong with soy

>>41818243
But aren't the omega 6 fatty acids the number 1 reason meat eater & heavy fast /trash food eater tend to be unhealthy ?

>>41814598

I just eat fruit for breakfast. Works for me because I need to be at my desk at 8 and I don't really like eating early in the morning. Two bananas and an apple and I'm generally fine, maybe eat a handful of almonds as well.

Is there a name for vegan + fish ?
Is there anything unhealthy in fish ?

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Why are people STILL whining about phytoestrogen instead of mammalian estrogen found in chicken, pork, dairy, etc?

>>41818325
Because they need an excuse , and it's an even better "argument" on fitness forum because it's all about muh test , and if you make retarded dyel believe they'll lose test you can be sure that they'll dodge it .

>>41818314
They call them pescatarians. It's hypocritical.

>>41813910
what i don't understand is vegan food that is made to look and taste like meat.
Its like a guy in denial that he is gay although he likes to stuff cucumbers up his ass and mouth but says he would never actually do it with a dick, so he isnt gay.

>>41818377
But if my main concern is health , is there any reason I should dodge fish ?

>>41818383
It's like lesbians buying big, floppy dicks to use on each other.

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>>41818383
Literally me for 4 years before my first time with a man .

>>41818383
Most vegans aren't vegan because they dislike meat, they're vegan because animals/health/the environment/they live in Portland/etc.

Besides, it helps when nonvegans come and say "Oh, I could never be vegan, I like meat too much" or whatever to not be drinking a kale smoothie and eating a kale and quinoa salad with pickled beets.

>>41818383

https://youtu.be/Yy9z85iypk0?t=2m28s

>>41816287
Lol you didn't even read your own sources.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

"However, in contrast to the effects in rodents, a recently published meta-analysis of the clinical research found that there were no effects of soyfoods or isoflavone supplements on total or free testosterone levels or levels of dihydrotestosterone—the biologically active metabolite of testosterone [225]. Similarly, the clinical evidence shows that soy does not raise estrogen levels (see reference for review) [226]."

and

"Clinical studies have shown that isoflavone intakes as high as 150 mg/day-which is still 4 times higher than typical Japanese intake—are without effect on estrogen levels [226]."

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465

"Liquefaction time, pH and sperm count was found significantly different in non-vegetarians and vegetarians, perhaps due to difference in their dietary proteins."

Note the fucking vagueness, different how? for whom?

>http://m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

"There were no significant correlations observed between any nutritional variables and preexercise C or the absolute increase in T and C after exercise. These data confirm that high-intensity resistance exercise results in elevated postexercise T concentrations. A more impressive finding was that dietary nutrients may be capable of modulating resting concentrations of T."

This has absolutely nothing to do with veganism, it was a measure of sex hormones before and after a training regimen. You have amazing intellectual cuckiness.

CONT.

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>>41813910
Stop forcing your views on me

>>41818526
Is this funny in the UK?

>>41816287
>>41818534
CONT.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772

" A lower nocturnal release of prolactin and testosterone occurred in men fed a vegetarian diet"
AND
"These results show that diet modification can induce hormonal changes, If similar changes occur in patients with breast and/or prostatic cancer, diet modification may be of benefit in these patients with tumors known to be hormonally dependent."

Prolactin is a hormone that induces breast milk production you cuck, and the vegetarian men released less of it. The testosterone the non-vegetarians produces was likely to counteract this female hormone in their bloodsteam.

>http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract

"These subjects hormonal milieu was related to specific dietary constituents, possibly leading to a decreased plasma concentration of androgen and estrogen in vegetarians."

Tiny fucking old study with 30 people.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181

"Serum free testosterone, however, did not differ significantly during the 6 wk dietary intervention periods and neither did serum concentrations of sex hormone binding globulin, dihydrotestosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, 4-androstenedione, estrone, estradiol, estrone sulphate, or gonadotropins"


Now fuck off and suck some meat.

>>41818526
wtf is this shit?

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>>41818383

>>41813910
Is honey vegan?

>>41818665
No, but honestly if that's what is stopping you, go vegan but continue eating honey, it's still a benefit

>>41818665
No, because it's completely unessesary. However, as a vegan, I'd say it's the least immoral food we avoid. I don't eat it though, maple sirup is my shit.

>>41813910
>Go to board about fitness
>Promote an unfit, muscle-annihilating degenerate lifestyle
>When people point out I don't belong whine about it

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>>41813910
Who wants delicious shrimp? No worse than eating an insect.

>>41814387
Ftms take testosterone, they should look more fit than average, not less. Unless they're abusing their body through soy poisoning and meat deficiency.

>>41813910
>that pic
Vegans are generally much pushier than meat eaters and they know it

>>41818839
>Go to the only vegan thread on /fit/
>Make bullshit statements
>Expects to be taken seriously without any citations.

>>41818876
How does it feel to be so indoctrinated that you don't even notice the constant push to consume animals throughout society?

>>41814984
Good post bro I've been arguing with my vegan mates a lot about the wildly exaggerated numbers they perpetuate, based off shitty documentaries or dodgy websites. I myself am vegetarian, because I do disagree with animal agriculture as a whole. If you think about the energy going into the system to provide your calories in meat form, it's super fucking ineffient compared to vegetable based diet. I fucking hate misinformation being spread, but at the same time you can't just pretend like the meat industry doesn't have a huge negative impact on the environment. And obviously diet is just part of the change we need to make to live more sustainably.

Also I feel like humans as a whole definitely can consume meat sustainably but not in the current form. The fact that we are so seperated from our food means people never take in what goes to making meat. I personally will go back to eating meat, when I get my hunting licence or down the tract when I can grow my own livestock. One way we could implement this as a society might be to ban selling animal products so it kills the industry and you just grow and kill your own if you really need

>>41818852
Shrimp has twice the cholesterol of beef...

>>41818943
is cholesterol really the bad guy though ?

>>41816085
>That said, >>41814682 # to imply that meat isn't a luxury we can do less of with is retarded
I never said that. I believe we can and should do with less meat and animal products. Not none, less.
But the idea that all livestock and animal products need to be done away with (what vegans want) ignores the difference between land that can grow crops and land that can support grazing and that the two are not interchangeable; it also ignores the importance of animal products as sources of protein in the diets of those in developing countries even if those animal products do not comprise the majority of calories in their diets. Some animals (like hogs) even serve to convert waste back into edible product.
I also wish there were further agricultural reforms, specifically in the US; there is no need to be growing things in places where intensive irrigation is required when other crops with similar yields but different market values and subsidy rates will grow without any irrigation. Vegans are by far not the only driver of such nonsense (Big Ag and lobbyists are) but their lifestyle demands it and if they had their wish of everyone becoming vegan it would only be worse.

>>41818906
How does it feel to restrict your diet for the sake of feeling morally superior and being specialer than the specialist snowflakes?

>>41818998
Dietary cholesterol is A bad guy.

>>41819048
I don't feel restricted at all, and I don't care about feeling morally superior. I would prefer everyone to be vegan. But you do see that what you said was BS and you can admit that what vegans "push" is nothing compared to what is served on every street corner, on Tv, in series, in commercials etc. right?

>>41815168
>Even if they were off by a factor 2 and the UN report is correct, your claim that the impact of meat is 'trivial' is fucking retarded.
It is trivial compared to the entirety of the rest of their lifestyle, which most vegans do not change.
Shit, a lot could be accomplished by growing your own produce in your backyard and canning things so you don't have to ship out of season fruits and vegetables from half the world away to your plate. This is is something that I, a meat eater, do but most vegans do not. Do you grow your own produce?
>heh... Nothing personal kid
>Kill yourself
Next time I'll make sure to clear my schedule so that we can argue this very important topic at 3am Mr Vegan :^)

>>41819115
But You can freeze fruits as well .
You could buy 40 kg of banana when they're in seasons , peel and chop them and store them in individual bags in your freezer just like you would meat .

>>41819113
>people sell food, I'm being oppressed!

Get over yourself. Gays don't cry about hetero representation in movies and magazines. Even if they did, that would be utter nonsense.

>>41819144
This would be an improvement but not for bananas unless you live near where bananas are grown.
Growing your own is still superior and canning is superior to freezing as it doesn't require constant energy to stay preserved.
A plot as small as a quarter acre will provide more shit than you know what to do with.

>>41819066
Absolute bollocks https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/02/why-you-should-no-longer-worry-about-cholesterol-in-food/

>>41818906
What constant push? Are you referring to advertising?

>>41819113
What even is this tinfoil hat garbage?

What are your favorite Oats recipes fellow health conscious bro ?

Me:

Oats
One huge spoon of cocoa powder
One spoon of cinnamon
One chopped banana
Water ( I think soy milk could work too)

Micro nuke it

Once it's done 3 spoon of flaxseeds

>>41819185
People sell dead abused animals.

>>41819288
Partly, yes.

>>41819325
Is it true or not? you mean to say that selling animals and their by-products is not a multi billion dollar industry that has an interest in people continuing the consumption of their products?

>>41816641

Underrated

>>41817971
Keeping a doggo is slavery you fucking fascist

>>41819326
Bowl of oats
One dropper drop concentrated oregano oil
2 Tbsp thyme
1 Tbsp cumin
1/4 cup coconut sugar
2 Hass avocados, diced
1/2 cup roasted no salt cashews
1 teaspoon Himalayan Pink Salt
1 bosc pear diced
Black pepper to taste

>>41819115
You cannot possibly think that an 18% reduction is trivial. I refuse to believe that
>Mr Vegan :^)
I'm not vegan. I clearly stated that I'm vegetarian.

Hey runningbro , are you still here ?
What would be the best food you recommend for efficient recovery ?

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Used to be a vegetarian, but then I quit because I stopped caring. I didn't feel any better or worse afterwards, and I had strangely few moral qualms or physical reactions about it despite not having eaten meat for 7 years.

>>41819115
Some of it, yes. A lot of the rest I get from local farmers' markets and CSAs as well. You'd be surprised, there are a lot of vegans who do.

>>41819500
>an 18% reduction
And you must be retarded if you think that livestock accounting for 18% of emissions translates into an 18% reduction in emissions for those that do without animal products. The emission per calorie of animal product (most meat eaters consume far more than maintenance) must be compared to the emissions per calorie of vegan produce, including the effect of shipping, preservation (which were taken into account for that 18% for meat) and the difference between them would be the reduction in emissions.
Also
>I reply to you a day later
>you respond in half an hour
LMAO @ ur life senpai :^)

>>41819649
You never stopped eating dairy and eggs, of course you don't feel much different.

>falling for the nutritional Jew
Never gonna make it

>>41819224

>A top nutrition advisory committee says people no longer have to be concerned about eating foods that are high in cholesterol. The committee’s report, which was released today, will help shape the next version of the U.S. Dietary Guidelines, set to be released later this year.

Outdated info. The guidelines came out, you're now told to eat less dietary cholesterol than before

https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-answers-your-questions

The advisory committe that this is reporting on were the subject of a lawsuit sent to the USDA because many of its members had financial ties to the egg industry

http://www.businessinsider.com/usda-sued-over-new-dietary-guidelines-2016-1

>Research is beginning to show that your genetic makeup – not diet – is the driving force behind cholesterol levels, says cardiologist Steven Nissen, MD.
>The greater danger for everyone is in foods that are high in trans fats, Dr. Nissen says.
>“Those often appear on food labels as hydrogenated oils or partially hydrogenated vegetable oil,” Dr. Nissen says. “Those types of fats do tend to raise cholesterol and do tend to increase the risk of heart disease.”

The guy contradicts himself. Serum cholesterol is genetic... but trans fats effect it. Well so does dietary cholesterol.

http://www.ibcmt.com/2009-03-16-EffectsOfDietaryCholesterolOnSerumCholesterol-PaulHopkins.pdf

So no, it's not bollocks

>>41819376
That's not unique to the non vegan food industry and isn't even the kind of pushiness I meant anyway.

What I meant was that vegans are more aggressive and cuntish about their dietary opinions than meat eaters are. Whenever an argument over veganism happens it is usually a dirty hippie leftist who threw the first punch. I'm not saying all vegans are like this but it's a big problem that you guys have to start acknowledging because as it stands that kind of vegan is damaging your cause quite seriously, just like ISIS fucking up Islam for everyone else

>>41820140
Also if you read the latest guide, think it's the 2015 one, it actually says that cholesterol consumption should be kept as low as possible. People prefer reading articles and blogs about other information, instead of just reading the information themselves.

fuck every single one of you!!!

My sister is vegan for a few years now, as well as her husband. She lost a lot of weight and does look like a skelly, not an actual woman. She is one of these hippie-pls-save-the-planet-girls and doesn´t believe in the science behind nutrition. Why? Because she did read all these books from some vegan gurus that talk shit like "muh Gorillas don´t eat meat (and they forget to mention that Gorillas eat their own shit for proteins)".
Long story short. She eats no protein, probably not enough minerals as well AND DOESN`T GET PREGNANT!!!
She is the only woman in the family to not get prgnant.
mother has 5 childs
other sister has already her first
each grandmas had three kids.
everybody gets pregnant but her!!!

I WONDER FUCKING WHY

>>41820202

>What I meant was that vegans are more aggressive and cuntish about their dietary opinions than meat eaters are

You think that way because their beliefs are different from yours. They think the same about meat eaters.

> you guys have to start acknowledging because as it stands that kind of vegan is damaging your cause quite seriously

Okay, what can vegans say/do that would make you stop eating meat, dairy, and eggs?

>>41820202
Thanks for comparing our movement of compassion to terrorism. That's a myth from the internet anyway - most vegans are so concerned about the pushy vegan stereotype that they're really cautious about bringing it up.

Vegan of 3 years here. What's your guys bulking diet like?
I eat oats for breakfast with chia seeds, flax seeds and loads of almond butter.
Tofu for lunch and then a protein shake before or after.
Dinner is normally lentils or something like that.
I've gained some mass, but I wondered if anyone had any tips?

>>41820202
I don't care which "kind of pushiness" you meant. It's fucking pushy. Well all groups have retards, nothing we can do about it. Either the philosophy of veganism is correct or not, it doesn't really matter how some of it's followers act. Islam is violent in it's core, it's foundation is jihad, so ISIS is just taking the religion to it's logical conclusion. Veganism is about doing what you can to reduce the suffering you cause, so I don't see the parallel. Yes I know you ment the relation of a sub group to the whole, but it's a stupid example.

>>41820202
>that kind of vegan is damaging your cause quite seriously,
Not at all. VG is so popular because of his aggressive shtick. As a meat eater I stay subscribed because it was fun watching him tear apart youtubers and shills. Since practically all those videos are informative I eventually gave in to logic.

But I get it, you want to pretend that vegans are a unique kind of mean ;_;

>>41820239
She proabably eats too little fat, should up her nut/seed intake and maaaaybe add some oils temporarily to her diet.

>>41819343
>People sell dead abused animals.

Yes, it is called food. It has been called food for 100,000 years.

>>41820239
Maybe be supportive and give her information about some vegan food she should incorporate into her diet so she can make up for deficiencies in minerals and/or protein.
>>41820289
Fellow bulking vegan here, spaghetti, rice+beans, and smoothies are my favorite for clean eating. Slightly less clean favorites are pb&j's, and dark chocolate. If you like lentils, try rice+lentils+frozen veggie mix, and top it off with some olive oil.

>>41819900
If something is advertised on every corner and you've been brainwashed since birth into eating it and only a small minority doesn't eat it I'm pretty sure the majority is the party getting jewed

>>41820392
And humans have been called porperty. It's not just "food", it was once a sentient being that was put through a hell on earth so you could eat it's corpse that you don't even need.

>>41820392
Because it used to be the only way we could get our daily calories , but now we have access to a lot of other foods that are easier to produce , healthier and more ethic .

>>41820419
>>41820436
If it all comes down to the feelings of the animals, then your argument is a losing one. Their feelings do not matter and the vast majority of people wouldn't think twice about it.

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>>41820436
>ethic
>eTHICC

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>>41820355
>>41820393
>She probably eats too little fat, should up her nut/seed intake and maaaaybe add some oils temporarily to her diet.
Help her move, see lots of nuts and oils
"hey sister, looks like you keep count on what you have to eat to stay healthy"
"lol no, you don´t need to believe what all these people tell you. It is also important to keep your spiritual energy in check"

it probably comes down to it, that she will become desperate to get a child. I mean three miscarriages are already on her count, maybe the fourth will make her think

>>41820462
Do human feelings matter ethically according to you? Suffering, well being, pain, pleasure etc.

>>41820436
would you eat meat, if we would live in a society that lives in harmony with nature, so the only food we eat is from hunting and therefor a part of the circle of life?

>>41820493
> It is also important to keep your spiritual energy in check
So she's a nut, has nothing to do with veganism.

>>41820507
No, "harmony" and "circle of life" are meaningless buzzwords.

"Sorry bud, I live in harmony with my carnal sexuality, I rape you, you rape another, It's the circle of life"

>>41818383

> thinking anal sex is gay

I think you forgot the definition of homosexuality.

>>41820239
You can fuck up every possible diet, if she would care about correct nutrition she could be as healty as other vergans.
Nobody claimed that living just of broccoli would be fine.
She needs to get protein and fat as well, soy and olive oil for example are great sources.

>>41817985
lol who gives a fuck, it is just a cow

>>41817343

I never said it was me.
Lrn2rd filenames, newfag.
LURK MOAR.
Jon Venus is vegan.
He's got YT vids.

>>41820408
That's only true if you use conspiracy theorist logic. Feminism is pushed by kikes and it's not the mainstream.
Give me your lifts and your stats. I guarantee they'll be low because veganism objectively does not work for athletes (or people interested in retaining mental health) that's a simple fact that even a child could extrapolate; that doesn't make it some big conspiracy theory. Like I said using your logic flat earthers are correct and everyone else is a mindless sheep.

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>>41820652

>Give me your lifts and your stats. I guarantee they'll be low because veganism objectively does not work for athletes

u wot

>>41820559
whatever floats you boat
>>41820528
>>41820597
wouldn´t be the case, if veganism wouldn´t be promoted all the time by some fucking retards that interprete facts in their way, so it fits their vegan-agenda.
I have read some of these books and i remember them interpreting science their way
>example: oh my god anon, the meat you eat is litreally ROTTENING in your stomach. Proof that we aren´t made to eat meat, because the food is not really digested.
In fact, "rottening" is the scientifical description of digesting meat. When we digest meat, our enzyms (sry, english is not my mothertong) start to cut the protein into the aminoacids, which is also the way bacterias digest meat in nature (a dead animal is rottening, because the bacterias are digesting it). Our stomach has the necessary enzyms to digest meast, we are omnivours capable of doing that.

your faggot shit wouldn´t mind me, because i also hate the mass slaughtering of animals. the fact that veganism is better for nature is also an advantage.
>inb4 why don´t you go ahead and slaughter your meat yourselve, if you still buy slaughteed meat
will probably do so in future. planning on getting some land and having my own farm animals.

sorry for going on a rant, i am just pissed at my sister and idiots that don´t know how to do veganism the right way

>>41820652
Vegetarian here: 3,5-4W/kg FTP and still gaining
I bet you can´t beat that...
>>41820724
meat you eat is litreally ROTTENING in your stomach. Proof that we aren´t made to eat meat, because the food is not really digested.
I never said that.
>will probably do so in future. planning on getting some land and having my own farm animals.
Do whatever you want, I don´t give a fuck.

>>41820759
>I never said that.
i said that some vegan gurus say that shit. your community fucks up the live of naive idiots

>>41820688
>anecdote
>juice

try again

>>41820688
Is that filthy Frank?

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>>41820821

>literally asked for an anecdote
>lol wow an anecdote? and he doesn't count anyway!

>>41820759

>3,5-4W/kg FTP

What am I reading?

>>41820905
You're reading a stats related to fitness and health .

>>41820986
Tell us your height/weight and 1rm's cuck

>>41820759
>rottening
Sounds like veganism is rotting your brain

>>41814598
Mostly have oats and mixed fruit for breakfast during the week.

On weekends I do tofu scramble + potatoes + tempeh. Shit is good.

>>41820688
I asked for your lifts, not fraud #57. The average vegan is a garbage athlete without gear.

>When you realize ALA has a bad conversion rate to DHA & EPA only because the omega 6 & omega 3 use the same desaturase enzyme and the average meat eater consume like 10+ g of omega 6 per day thus mobilizing all of his to desaturate his omega 6 instead of his ALA

>>41821524
The "average vegan" isn't trying to be an athlete.

>>41814068
yeah and they're just pussy animals. the coolest animals are the ones in the wild doing cool shit like climbing trees, railing trains and hunting stuff.

>>41821633
Thanks for your admission of DYEL status, now enjoy that chlorophyll filled brain and bowels overpacked with fiber

>>41821674
Not talking about myself, talking about the "average vegan". People who try to be athletes have more success.

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>>41815066
Like how sip threads always attract butthurt nonsippers

>>41816300
Not even vegan, but your reading comprehension is utter shit.

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>>41815043
>Why do these threads always turn into annoying arguments instead of vegan discussion?
because veganism is an eating disorder
t. rippetoe

ok, memes aside: veganism is political, and like every other political topic on the internet, it will instantly devolve into a shit-flinging contest between supporters and opponents. like the rest of the shit this guy mentions: >>41815066
they're all political topics, and as such they carry with them the inherent polarisation and antagonism of current year politics.

>>41822647
>veganism is political
What

>>41822847
Apparently diets are beyond reproach to carnists. Meanwhile those crybabies will giggle at fat people.

>>41822990
I just can't wrap my head around how indoctrinated can one be to think that there is some Jew conspiracy around every corner trying to harm his gains/well-being/identity, and that veganism is something so out of the realm of possibility for normal people that only weird green hippies practice it.

>>41814598

Oats with a banana for breakfast. Sometimes smoothie bowls at summer.

Snacks are fruit and high-protein vegan yogurts.

Lunches are often hummus and falafel wraps with salad.

Dinners vary, usually veggie protein of some sort for those protein gains.

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>>41813910
Turned vegan 4 months ago solely for health reasons. Read T. Colin Campbell, McDougall, Michael Greger..etc.

Feeling considerably better, food shopping is cheaper, eating larger quantities, strict guidelines keep me in check. I'm whole food plant based more than vegan.

Breakfast: oats, peanut butter, banana + apples
Lunch: brown rice, beans, paprika, flaxseed, spinach
Protein shake: sun force flower power shit - can't remember name, this expensive garbage is only bad thing about this diet, could just eat more beans to be honest, but this is easier.
Dinner: brown rice/wild rice/potato/sweet potato + more beans (any kind canned) + spices + random veggie assortment.

Hitting my nutrients about 98% on Cronometer, getting in about 3000 calories daily with about 160g protein. Meals are fucking massive, satisfying and delicious.
Look into health benefits. I couldn't give a single solitary fuck about animal welfare, but meat industry is gross and animal protein FUCKS (FUCKS FUCKS FUCKS) people's health up. That relative with Alzheimer's/Diabetes? It's meat bruh. No conspiracy, shit is real sad. Treat meat for what it is, a special treat.

>>41820436
I like meat and eat it daily. Fuck off, I'll eat whatever the fuck I want.

>>41816531
>hit her with my Buick doing 110

Dont like it? Don't stand in the road

>>41820905
3,5-4W of functional threshold power per kg of body weight, wich is the power output you can sustain for 1 hour relative to your weight.
FTP is a verry important figure in cycling, especialy realtive to your body mass since that is what you have to carry uphill.
3,5-4W/kg means 175-200W for a 50kg rider or 350-400W for a 100kg rider.
Of course your peak power is much higher and might even go in 4-digit area, but that is only for a few seconds.

That is what it looks like to produce 700W for only 1 minute: https://youtu.be/S4O5voOCqAQ

>>41820436
>healthier
Implying meats not one of the healthiest if not the healthiest foods humans can eat
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>https://breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/
>>41816786
>There is literally nothing wrong with soy. Inb4 phytoestrogens
>>41817981
>Soy Milk
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/soy-is-devil-and-not-in-fun-way-22-12.html

>>41824638
>There is literally nothing wrong with soy. Inb4 phytoestrogens
Soy causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

they're not really vegans, they just use it to get attention, in fact every vegan is a huge traumatized attention whore with parents issues

>>41824638
nice .com "studies" you've linked there friendo

>Vegan cucks itt
A B S O L U T E L Y
B E T A
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-S6ELeKjPco

>>41824638
lmao are you really linking a blogspot as evidence

>>41817985
SEXUALLY EXPLOITED COWS
fucking lmao
As a farmer this is fucking hilarious you're all fucking pussies

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>>41813910

>>41817981
as much as i hate vegans, i enjoy soy milk
goats milk isnt bad either tho

>>41824932
This is more like it t bh

>>41826214
What's the strangest animal you had milk from

>>41826214
It's filled with estrogen>>41826214
>>41826214

>>41819712
Yeah that would pretty much be 18%. Vegan lifestyle is negligible in comparison.
Also
>he doesn't have the clover thread watcher enabled in background

>>41824638
You post on /v/ and /tv/. The images you typically post gives you away.

>>41826840
Animal estrogen is what gives you bitch tits. It's creepy how delusional you are.