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had Jordan Petershit ever recovered from being eternally BTFO by powerful Sam Harris?

>>41796762
Im currently, finally, fixing my room.

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>>41796782
pfft sam harris is a meme now. let's be intellectually honest here and parse out why people are so confused but in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes. wehhhhh

Not gonna lie, former Peterson watcher here. This is fucking hilarious watching Peterson descend into chaos and get stuck in a whale's belly. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear Archetypes.

His Christianity will be his unraveling.

>>41796888
>/pol/ humour

>>41796929
What's this you're talking about? I've watched a bit of Peterson but not sure

>>41796782
>Sam Harris
His ass is still sore from Noam Chomsky's whoopin desu.Sam Harris is the definition of a meme, he can't win shit lmao

>>41796929
Kys leaf

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obsessed about this one girl at work, shes working summertime

shes undeniably smart, studies econometrics, attractive but not over the top.

I had mixed signals from her so i tried my luck and asked her out, got literally no response, she just walked away without saying anything.

But thats not the point. While later u started lifting and here i am 7 months later, she came to work again and i cant stop thinking about her and looking at her through window at workplace.

Worst part sometimes she catches me when i lool and eyes meet and i know she thinks im turbo creep.

I think i could only be saved if i found another object of interest but alas i barely go out, only lift and work.
Going out is hard because i dont have friends since im foreigner here, besides i hate groups of people.

My deadlift is approaching 200kg for single after 8months of lifting. Should i momentarily try to do just 4pl8 for reps or still try maxing out? i alternate sumo and conventional but sumo feels much safer on my back and stronger in general

>>41797059
It's a pasta that Correct the Record used before they realized people knew they were shills.

Similar to redditors trash talking Peterson on /pol/ because of how powerful his message was.

Here's the original pasta
>Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.


>>41797093
You think you've disguised yourself, but you're a complete Newfag

>>41796783
My nigga, I refurbished mine, trying to keep it clean and just cleaned my shoes. Small victories.

Trying to be more of a responsible person at work (teacher) and reading more.

On another note just had my first sale from my side business ($200) but dealing with some logistics problems.

>>41796909

lel

>>41797102
It's a numbers game man. Don't take it personally but what it is, just a number that didn't conform to your world view. You should be proud of yourself that you actually faced the dragon

Reading "Collective Unconscious and the Archetypes" and Peterson is pretty much just regurgitating it with very little added. Granted, he's also backing it up psychometrically, which is impressive and novel.

>>41797385
he's a good speaker and adds emotions compared to just reading a book but yeah most of his ideas are a collection of other great ideas by dead people

he's the ultimate meme master so to speak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjpuxiV-_Es

Any book recommendations for self improvement?

>>41797416
His actual research is good, though. I do think it is a bit calculated to diffuse political arguments, as the assumptions of moral foundation theory (which is one of his areas of focus) force compromise because it shows that total "conversion" of any population is impossible.
I do think he's a little stealthy about his Evola references though. I'm half expecting Peterson to drop a "Kali Yuga." Sounded like he was on the verge in the Pepe/Frog prince video, which is actually a child's version of a Gnostic hymn where a prince must find the Jewel of Rightness.

>>41797453
The Enchiridion of Epictetus followed by the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius
The Hermetic Tradition followed by the Doctrine of Awakening followed by the Yoga of Power, all by Julius Evola.
Anything by Dostoevsky

>>41796782
His popularity has skyrocketed, so I don't think people particularly care. And to be honest, those podcasts were fairly insignificant to anything.

>>41796762
how to rescue my pops? He was always distant and I never had good contact with him, so I don't even know where to begin. It's sad seeing depression eating him away.

>>41797416
>most of his ideas are a collection of other great ideas by dead people
Essentially goes for anything and anyone, and I don't really see the problem with that.

>>41797102
You shouldn't max out every workout. I would say even 4pl8s sets for your current max is too much. You max out to test yourself. Maxing out every workout works only for beginners.

I have no idea why this whole board is not on the Peterson wagon. He makes sense to /fit/izens who want to better themselves, makes sense to those who came here to bring discipline into their lives and the /pol/ invaders should be sucking his cock 24/7 for his fight against post-modernism.

>>41797416
why reinvent the wheel? That's for stupid people.

Do you guys have any experience with his work? Any results or progress stories?

>>41797630
slayed a bunch of virgins and fucked a dragon after reading his book maps on meanin

10/20 would do again

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>>41797656
Why are you in this thread?

>>41797674
i read the joron petpeoson son

>>41797682
And that's your response? Come on now, why are you really here, what do you want to say and why?

>>41797709
helm me man my addy touched me when i was 52 yrs old :(

>>41797725
Man, people come here looking for help. If you want help talk like a normal person. If you're just here to shit on people... Why?

>>41797767
u think u can help people just because you watch jordan peterson?

u better sort yourself first

>>41797788
No, I don't! I came here looking for help, advice and to see if anyone has any experience with this and if it's worth the time. And for some reason you are shitting on me.

>>41797812
here's an idea bud, why dont you try and find out yourself? what are you gonna lose oh your so precious time spent browsing fit and asking autists for help. dont wanna lose all that

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>>41796929
>we can't let this guy get the nuclear Archetypes

>>41796762
my nigga peterson.

who sorting their rooms here buckos?

>>41797855
Never thought about that. I really wanted to have a conversation man.

>>41797608
Beats me. Possibly just pushback from suddenly hearing about him all the time. I bet it comes across as fanboyism sometimes.

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>>41797870
I grew up as a single child in a pretty dysfunctional family (both parents are alcoholics, domestic violence, mum turned into a hoarder after dad left, I literally lived in filth until I was about 18 yo) and I still struggle to keep my apartment clean to this day. I can really relate to all the shit he says, just doing a simple task like cleaning your apartment or doing your daily chores does wonders for you when you're depressed or your life is in disarray.

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>>41797855
>>41797788
>>41797725
>>41797682
>>41797656

>mocking people for wanting to improve their lives
>has nothing of substance to say when pressed

Your contribution to the debate is noted Anon.

>>41798017
what fucking debate retard

he was asking for a review when he could easily do it himself, he's being lazy

has anyone done the self authoring program?

https://pastebin.com/BiFE2fUX

today's my birthday and I figured that would be a good time to start, also going to stop chewing tobacco. wish me luck lads

this charlatan always rambles on and on about meaningless nonsense, so that fatherless incels can nod in approval without understanding anything, but at the same time feel like intellectuals and get a false sense of direction and clarity, and in turn give him more publicity and money. he can basically say whatever as long as he talks fast and with confidence, uses fancy words and waves his hands you faggots will suck it up like he's the dad you never had

>>41798054
>meaningless nonsense

just cause they dont make sense to you dont mean they are meaningless

stop projecting u r an idiot

>>41798022
We can't, anon. Only you can do that. We can only shitpost and maybe try to help.

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>>41797630
Reporting in.

Academiafag here. Not a psychologist, but enjoying his lectures a lot. His practical advice is very solid. Have personal experience with using ordering behaviors (clean your room etc) to fight depression and anxiety. It's surprisingly efficient.

The wider stuff regarding meaning and interacting with the world in an honest manner is where he really shines though. How much have you heard/read?

>>41798090
Not the anon you replied to but I've read/watched very little I only discovered him through his appearance on JRE, where would you recommend I "start" with his work?

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>>41797608
In case you havent noticed, the leftist cucks of /lit/ and /his/ have been trying to subvert not only /pol/ but also our beloved board.
Why do you think you see commie, cuck, interracial, tranny shit here? Its not because an overwhelming majority is into this. There are a handful mentally unhinged loners that spam boards with their insane shit, most notably /pol/ but they have been coming here too.

/lit/ are idealistic, vain children hiding in ivory towers jerking it to Derrida and pomo babble. They look like this, but 100kg more and they dont leave their room

>>41798090
Well I found out about him like yesterday so just some youtube lectures and interviews. I downloaded his podcast about reality and the sacred.

>>41798022
>Use parents for financial security (flat/house, food, etc.)
>apply for jobs or college/university
>be grateful they support your ass
>start living on your own once you finished your education or found a job and your finances suffice

You're only 21, you don't have to rush it. Set yourself a deadline, like once you're 24 you wanna be done with whatever it is you're doing and move out and work towards that. I moved out too early and built up a huge amount of debt (student loans, etc.), so just chill.

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>>41798022
I know that feel, only I'm 22. Graduated college a month ago and I'm still looking for a job. My parents don't want me to move out. They want me to be their little baby boy forever.

>>41798022
start by cleaning your room

>>41796762
I have sorted myself out, this guy has changed my life and I hope my years of joy continue.

I'm ready for the next challenge and I've beat my depression

I am free

>>41798140
Do not allow yourself to become dependent on them once you don't need to be.

>>41798126
>le boogymen is after me and my secret club
if you can't see past this obvious trolling you are legit autistic, friendo

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>5 years ago
>get job
>live at home
>work and save and nothing else
>keep saying things will change when I move out
>finally move out a month ago
>go to work
>make food, clean, chores
>waste what little time I have left until I have to go to work again
>same as before except completely alone

So this is the *sneeze* right wing version of shitposting with *sneeze* Zizek. *sneeze* *rubs nose*

Every once in a while there's that psychologist slash sociologist slash journalist slash opiniologist that becomes famous out of nowhere and is the next fad for a few years as hordes of gullible and or easily impressionable people repeat every single one of his platitudes and cheap memes over and over again. He is just one of these.

>>41798037
Im starting with the past authoring. I cried a couple of times whilst writing down some memories.
Also happy birthday my birthday is tomorrow.

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>>41798102
>>41798127


He has some lectures as podcasts and a whole bunch on his youtube channel depending on whether you prefer videos or audio. The podcasts are just lecture audio that's been lifted and edited a bit by a student, so you won't be missing out either way, with the exception of the occasional visual aids -
those are supplied in links in the podcast description if you want them.

If you're completely unfamiliar with psychological theory you might want to just grab one of his lecture series from the beginning. It'll give you some basic theory and you'll be able to keep up better.

If you want to get right into the personal stuff, you can skip to the lecture Slaying The Dragon Within Us and the Maps Of Meaning lectures.

If you're mostly interested in his work with archetypes, dominance hierarchies and religion/myth you could start with Introduction To The Idea Of God. You'll get more out of this if you've got a basic understanding of Jung, so you might want to listen to those lectures first.

>>41798227
What a coincidence, today's my birthday too and a few hours ago out of nowhere I felt the urge to write about things of my past, without knowing nothing about that program from this guy. Gonna check him now.

It's all such a surprising SINCRONICITY that I couldn't keep myself from commenting it. I guess I'll have to write more because it helped understand myself a little more.

>>41798242
I should add that I've only gone through maybe a third of his lectures on youtube. There are several years of them. Maybe somebody else can chime in with recommendations I haven't gotten to yet.

>>41798199
>Zizek changed my life
>thanks to Hegel I have a gf now

>>41798227
Thanks anon, you too.
I've been putting it off for the exact reason you mentioned, I get emotional thinking about doing it. Figured if I start it on my birthday it will force me to battle through it.

>>41798037
happy birthday anon and godspeed
Please also check out Resurrection by Tolstoy, its a heart warming and soul touching book

>>41798242
Thanks, man. I'll do my best to keep up and sort myself out. To everyone else in the thread - good luck.

>>41798446
No worries, Anon. Enjoy!

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>>41798022
>just graduated college
>dumped in worst way by fat sociopathic emotial vampire gf of 3 years
>22 in a month
>live with parents and 3 younger brothers, I am in the attic
>my brakes just went and will cost me $1100 because I took too long to get them looked at
>can no longer afford my gym membership after this month while I save
I know the pain anon, but it will make us stronger. Just don't let it wash over you and don't fall into bad habits, try your hardest at the least.

>>41798153
If you are not in uni or another secondary education then I would suggest you at least apply to a community college to get your standard classes out of the way and then move on once you have a better idea of what you want to do.
If you have graduated, apply for jobs everywhere. Even if it's not in your field having a job and having any work experience looks better than doing nothing.

>>41798490
>>41798592
>when you realize that at your age your boomer grandparents were already homeowners and you have absolutely nothing and still living with parents
>"kids these days just don't wanna work!"
I want to McFucking kill myself.

>>41798153
>21
>Over 20k
>Complaining

Fuck off. Some people have real problems.

>>41798666
I honestly have no goals or dreams. I've made literally zero progress from age 12, when I first started playing videogames.

>>41798690
>Fuck off. Some people have real problems.

Sorry I forgot this was a competition. Allow me to clarify:
I have:
>No friends
>No skills
>Kissless virgin
>Terrible relationship with my family
>No drivers license
>Barely graduated highschool

$20k really isn't much and doesn't make my situation any better. Or are we in a competition to see who has more "privilege" in a perpetual race to the bottom?

Sorry man didn't realize we were competing to see who has a worse life, I thought this was the thread where we help eachother by trying to put ourselves in others shoes.

>>41798718

Damn you're a little faggot. I could fix all those problems with in a day with $500.
Please kys yourself

>>41798691
Try the future authoring program. Listen to some of Peterson's lectures it might help you pick a goal and go after it.

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>>41798691
Sounds to me like you know what you need to do, Anon.

If you're enjoying gaming, that's fine, but it sounds to me like you're using it to drown out your problems. Which works in the short term, but not in the long term. Your problems are still there when you leave the screen.

If I were you I would kick it cold turkey and find some new interest - anything, so long as it challenges you and develops some skill. Even if it's fucking knitting. I think what you need is momentum and tangible payoff in the form of pride in your work/yourself.

>>41798746
Thanks for the advice man. Why are you even here seriously? Shouldn't you be making chad threads or something?

>>41798718
Do not kill yourself. Just try to work on those things every day, clean up your room and constantly resist fear and bad habits. Remember small steps are still progress.

>>41798691
Well, having goals and dreams would just make it worse, as you'd be frustrated. Or is frustration better than apathy? I know that when frustrated I can get myself to do things, but eventually the frustration maxes out and I default back to apathy, where I do nothing under the pretext that doing something has achieved nothing for me before.

I know that doing stuff would eventually break the cycle but it's just too easy to burn out if you haven't really had any successes in life before that you can use of a reminder that doing stuff eventually works. If you have no prior successes and nobody that believes in you then you can't push yourself as far as you otherwise would.

>>41798782
>If you have no prior successes and nobody that believes in you then you can't push yourself as far as you otherwise would.

This is why you need to start small. When I was depressed my shrink advised me to come up with a task each day. The biggest task that I knew I absolutely, positively would be able to do regardless of how destroyed I felt that day.

Turns out the size of that 'bare minimum' will grow over time as you get the ball rolling on your life. Eventually you're pushing yourself at regular levels. Slow and steady.

>>41798782
Just watch some of the videos on sorting yourself out as a start. Carrying your cross and embracing responsibility will get you through those things. And it will all be because of you. Not the people who did not support you. Youare doing this for yourself.

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I'm going in for septum surgery tomorrow and I'm kinda freaking out. I know people don't usually due from anesthesia or whatever but I feel like my luck would dictate that it's the way that I go. I don't wanna be an emo bitch about it but I'm a pretty paranoid person and I don't wanna end up fucking dying having accomplished nothing in my life.

Aside from that, I still live with my parents in a shit hole town with no real places to go out and be social and meet people my age. So like I said, if I end up dying having accomplished nothing, I'm gonna be a fucking disgrace.

>>41798824
Dude, chill medicine is not in the dark ages now. You'll be fine. And after the surgery you'll start working on yourself and make yourself proud and happy.

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>>41798224
have you listened to a series of lectures by him?

I'm gonna apply to a few jobs thanks to this thread, thanks anons.
Will update later

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>>41798842
I hope you're right anon. I just hear of so many horror stories of people going under and never waking up, so I get paranoid.

>tfw you still haven't finished your shitty webcomic because you've been putting it off and now you're afraid you'll never finish it

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>>41798824
yeah i had it done - it is nothing. it just seems more serious because its on your face. its basically like a getting a tooth pulled only you're under. getting the nose packing pulled out isn't much fun but otherwise its totally fine - not even painful.

on the other hand you might die.

>>41798888
Not the guy you're replying to, but look dude

If you're freaking out, then do this - sit down and write down your goal. What you need to do (finish shitty webcomic) and why you need to do it (need to see it through, express myself, finish what I start or whatever). Also write down how you see this affecting your life if you do it.

Then you go get your surgery done. You'll be scared, but you'll do it anyway.

When you come to, you'll have faced something that frightened you. Go find your paper from tonight. Read it. Remind yourself of how you might not have had the chance to see this goal through at all. Then you get to work on it.

>>41798954
I'm about to get off work, but I'm gonna do this when I get home anon. I don't know why I'm scared shitless, because I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be fine. But god dammit when I survive this, it might be what helps me get off my ass and start doing what I need to do.

Thank you.

>>41797102
I'm in a similar situation to you man, been obsessing over this girl, getting mixed signals but i think she is losing interest. I know if i spoke to more girls i wouldn't get attached so easily. But i just have horrible insecurities holding me back.

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>>41798998
It's normal to be scared, even if you know something going wrong is super rare. It's an unfamiliar situation that you have no control over.
If you can recall this feeling and use it to light a fire under your ass afterwards, then it'll have made you a lot stronger Anon.

You're going to be fine. Brace for waking up high as balls to pic related and ready for living, though.

>>41798126
It happened after /pol/ got Trump elected. The marxist ruling class realized that 4chan is the biggest political propaganda threat to them. Now every board seems to have 2-3 posters that do nothing but espouse marxist ideologies all day.

I'm finishing my exams on Tuesday, I think they've gone well so far apart from 1 or 2.

I'm getting back into going to the gym everyday rather than every 2 or 3 and I'm working legs properly again.

I've got a few parties and social things lined up for my break.

I'm meeting a load of fuckable qts at the park with my Dog.

This is gonna beat last Summer where I sat in and got sad about my ex leaving at least.

>>41796929
2024
Peterson for president
Clean Up Your America

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>>41798126

>>41798870 here
Turns out I'm retarded. On the plus side, now I know why I got rejected for my last application. I'll have to get this crap done tomorrow

>>41799362
lol

At least you tried and learned some shit anon.

I finished university a week ago, I have this shitty job that pays 1.5 the minimum wage in a shitty third world country (europe), I finished in a programming field (even got the max grade) yet i'm still mediocre as fuck at it, and instead of feeling unburdened by the freedom and having the possibility of travel and trying out new shit I don't feel great at all. Any tips on unfucking my brain?

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In the process of sorting myself out currently.

Story:
>last year, failed A Levels and took a year out
>working in a cornershop, not saving any money
>fairly happy, get suicidal in the Winter because of SAD but whatever
>get with a girl, she eventually tells me I'm doing nothing with my life (she's in college studying 'animal management' but again, whatever)
>okay fair point
>enroll in college under Engineering to get the grades to go to university, hoping to go the route of Maritime Engineering/Architecture

Roll forward to the last two weeks

>still with the gf
>have passed all my Eng. exams and got into University, straight A apart from one Math exam
>gf now has a job at a cornershop, recently she's been talking to some lad all the time
>suddenly splits up with me last week
>last friday she sends me a picture of her making out with the lad with laughing emojis (I swear I did nothing to provoke her)
>hits me hard, off the rails over the weekend but friends pick me up
>today, get a letter saying student finance has been accepted and have my final grade as an A in calculus
>clean my bloody room for the first time since we split up

Ironically, the ex-gf has left college and is now working in a corner shop (which she said was worthless when i did it) and I'm going to university partly because of her spitefulness about the subject. Strange times indeed

>>41799446
Find a girl you love and have kids with her. Human beings are an organism whose goal is to reproduce. If you aren't completing your only goal of existence your brain is always going to be fucked.

>>41799463

I still have some things to sort out over the holiday before Uni though.

>work through Basic Mathematics - Lang
>move house (already in the process)
>hit the gym 4 times a week (already in the process)
>complete the future authoring program

>>41799463
Cut her off completely. I'm so sorry she did that to you.

>>41799488

Yeah I have, thanks bud. We were together for a year and a half, and we fought probably less than most couples. It really came out of nowhere, and we were both very civil when it ended.

Then out of nowhere, a snapchat in the morning of them kissing. Couldn't believe it, luckily my family were visiting so I had some support although anytime they were nice it'd make me real upset again.

Friends forced me to come out with them and were great, too. Oh well, onwards and upwards I suppose

>>41798140
Nigga, I'm about to turn 26 and I'm just now capable of escaping this situation. Sort yourself out.

>>41797102
>Worst part sometimes she catches me when i lool

i'd think you're a creep too if i saw you looling at me you fucking weirdo

>>41798490
I did the brakes thing too.
Going to sleep before midnight helped me to move past that kind of stuff. It was really really hard to do though.

>>41798691
Must be a very hard game

>>41798691
I agree with this guy,>>41798760

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>>41798126
Yup.

>>41799463
I think it's good stuff like this happens to people. It's like an intro to suffering course. You're so much further ahead than anyone in your age bracket because you already know how to overcome obstacles and depression. It's like progressive overload training for your soul, and everyone you know has never even been to the gym.

>>41799463

I watch Peterson a lot so here's my paraphrasing of his advice to you.

In regards to your ex, you may emotionally feel that you're in chaos (the underworld). To combat this, you need to go out and speak truth into the world (the story of Marduk is an example of this).

You've already started building truth and order in your life by getting into university and cleaning your room, so great job! Keep going man.

Is there a discord for /SORT/?

I find it hard to make friends at school and we can all converse about our sorting possibly.

video did not tell me how to transform into a wolf which is all I ever wanted

>>41796782
I haven't seen or heard anything from their argument but I'll guess it's something akin to:
>I believe in God
>God's not real
>Well I think he is
>you're a big poopoo dumbo

In the real world, losing one argument doesn't mean every idea you have ever had is permanently discredited for the rest of forever. I know you think that's how it is, since you were probably raised by YouTube comments though.

>>41799980
what kind of jewish fuckery is this

>>41800126
No it's hours of them autistically trying to define the word truth.

Apparently their second debate is much better but I haven't watched it because the first one is just a trainwreck

>>41799463
Your ex is a total cunt, but her sending that snapchat will help you move on (like ripping a bandaid off)- it makes it very clear she is not worth your time.

itll hurt for a while though.

I can't imagine paying money to sit in his lectures. Why would you want to pay tuition to have someone spout eloquent common sense mixed with convoluted nonsense, when you could learn things?

>>41796929
must be a leaf-post

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>>41798718
>no friends
it might take a while, but keep putting yourself out there, even small talk about the weather n shit, it all helps. Finding a hobby might help?

>no skills
in terms of what? operating a crane? shooting? cooking? pretty vague anon. I wont believe that you have NO skills. Dig a little deeper, im sure there is something there

>kissless virgin
developing skills and friends will help with this. But for now, focus on bettering yourself, ie diet, fitness, grooming habits

>terrible relationship with family
is this due to you or them?

>no drivers license
not really a big deal, dont know where you are from, but in Canada its not very hard to get

>barely graduated HS
was this your fault? if so, try to correct the behaviors that caused this. its never too late to start learning again

I dont know if you'll read all of this, but try to break things down and pick away at one issue at a time, it'll make things more manageable. NEVER listen to the people that tell you to kys. Ive been down that road of depression and thinking, it WILL get better.

Just remember, we're all gonna make it

>>41799463
It's not at all strange. The people that spite others sometimes do so to distract from their own inadequacies. And people like you, take that spite, look inward and move forward.

There are those who complain and those who go out and gain. Good on you for being one of the latter.

>>41800399
he took so much charge of his life he tried to outrun a train

v motivational so inspiring story

>>41800300
Hello Ribbit. You're assimilating well, but the meme itself isn't even that old. Refer to
>>41797130

>>41800905
>Plitt was hit and killed by the southbound Metrolink Antelope Valley Line train 268 in Burbank, California, on January 17, 2015, while running between the rails. His death was recorded by the camera mounted in the cab of the engine.[6][7] After examining the video, police reportedly told TMZ Plitt may have been trying to outrace the train when it approached for a video he was shooting. He was shortly after knocked off the tracks and out of frame.[8] He may have believed the train was coming up behind him on a parallel track, not the one he was on. The video was for a self-produced energy drink commercial.

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahhahaahahah

I haven't had friends since I was 13. No friends has caused every problem in my life.

Not having friends meant I never met girls

Not getting girls or having friends meant I became isolated

Becoming isolated meant I became lonely, miserable, bitter through high school

Being miserable and isolated in high school meant I didn't learn how to interact socially with peers

Not learning how to interact with peers carried over into college so i basically had the same existence there

All the isolation, misery, loneliness, etc, meant I had nothing to work towards, so no motivation

No motivation meant I stayed a manlet and holocaust mode and didn't do great in college because studying is difficult when you have no motivation and nothing to strive for

Graduate college, move back home, work shit job because I don't see the point in trying grad school, terrible relationship with parents (they are assholes, I'm an asshole, so we all barely even talk to each other, also an only child)

Now a 25 year old kissless friendless shut-in (besides work) who has never even attempted to get a girl and now I'm scared to not only try to get a girl, but even friends, because everyone has always hated me so I don't want to burden others with my presence. I've basically been a shut in since I started high school at 14. No life experiences at all.

And not only that, but I know if I try to have "real" conversations with anyone and don't just crack jokes, or try to actually hang out with people, it will become clear very quickly that I have no friends, no girl, no life, the people I talk to will repel from me because of this, and I'll be worse off than when I started.

I can't even comprehend what my life is going to be like for the next however many years I have until I surely kill myself. No real hobbies, no dreams, nothing to strive for at all. I basically just exist and go through the motions of life at only 25 years old, the "prime" of my life.

>>41797102
>so i tried my luck and asked her out, got literally no response, she just walked away without saying anything.
Let me ask you anon, why would you want someone like this? I've been in a similar situation, but after we were already talking. She was cool with the idea of being my girlfriend, and 3 days later I get ghosted on and off for the next month and a half. You may think she's good for you, but you do not want this person. Look at it from the outside, forget all of the little moments you may have had or what you think you know about her, on a base level this person is rude and inconsiderate of your feelings. She clearly doesn't care about you, I mean, she fucking walked away mid conversation like you were non-existent. Do you really want a person like that in your life? Like the other anon said, be proud that you actually went up to her and said something, that's a big step in the right direction.

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So after working a bunch of shitty minimum wage jobs, I finally somehow landed a simple desk job at a hospital. I'm pretty happy about it, but also scared out of my mind.

Since I've only worked at shitty jobs with high school kids, I'm scared that I won't fit in at work while working with normal adults. I'm also scared that I will fuck up at my new job because everything will be all new and different.

How do I get rid of this fear? I really want to keep this job.

>>41801678
>with high school kids, I'm scared that I won't fit in at work while working with normal adults

Just be responsible. Honestly though, if you think that they'll be more "mature" because they're older I've got some news for you. Prepare for the same gossiping, laziness, and general shitshow you're familiar with.

>>41800126
>I believe in god.

He believes in the metaphysical reality of an underlying sub-structure which is an actuarial truth embodied through personification, and literary narrative.

I think sam is a little too stupid to understand that.

>>41796929
Well memed

>>41801678
Ask questions to people if you're not sure about things, which you won't be. Even if you start out bad, it will show you're learning.

Keep upbeat and accept criticism. If you're screwing up, don't get mad if someone tells you (even disrespectfully).

Stay out of office politics. Not worth it.

>t.office worker

>>41801837
What do you do?

Accountant?

>>41801966
lol yes.

>>41798126
this × 9000

>>41801307
fuck man I wish I knew what to suggest but I just don't, what a shitty slippery slope to be heading down
Are you lifting?

>>41801307
i am basically you but year younger. I got into reading so i become good liaer and good manipulator. I become more confident so i moved out to new city, i no longer scared of normies and i about to fuck a high test tinder girl. I dont that tham im KV and i lack life exerience. I will still enjoy life anymay. reading fact literature will help your tought process and you will make it.

>>41802747
Curious, what books did you read to become a good manipulator?

I lack the worth ethic to back to uni and succeed, managed to pass first year and bit of second handing shit in 2 weeks late and doing it night before etc. Been working a minimum wage job instead this trimester. Ive been trying to develop this anything you lot recommend? Anyone been able to move on from a situation like this i feel rather hopeless

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Getting my shit together m8's

Working out is helping me get off my soiled buttcheeks and execute movement in the face adversity. Wish all my bros nothing but the best as well.

Shout to JBP

>>41801307
You're not alone in many of those characteristics m8.

I'd suggest becoming comfortable in the isolation first though. Become okay with it, don't resent it. If you resent it, everything that reminds you of the isolation will trigger that resentful response. So become okay with the isolation and the mistakes. Because once you become okay with it, you can walk outside and anytime something comes that would normally trigger resentment, you have a counter maneuver to quell the resentment. Now without resentment inside you, you are lighter, more approachable, and that closer to becoming a good dude who can also approach others without having to judge yourself first...which again, is a trigger to resentment.

So just let go of the bullshit bro, get some lifts in if you want, you're working and have a job WHICH IS A HUGE STEP in the right direction. Imagine being all this without a job. That shit is worse. But yeah, let go of the bullshit, lighten up, forgive yourself, forgive others, and when you step outside you won't have that bitterness within anymore and you'll be able to move forward without judgement.

>>41802747
>I got into reading so i become good liaer and good manipulator

What the fuck dude?

This is a first class ticket to becoming even worse. Last thing anyone should strive to become is loathed by others. It all catches up to you and honestly, being fueled by by misplaced jealousy because you're angry at your own mistakes, all to get back at "normies" is a sure way of becoming that asshole that eventually comes crashing down. This is a recipe for an even worse disaster man.

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>>41803010
As a habitual liar and manipulator, listen to this anon.

It always comes around. Even when it seems that you're going to get away with it... you never do.

I wish I could press a button and remove that part of my mind completely. Life would be so much easier. But you can't, so the first step is recognizing it and beginning to chip away at it.

>>41802867
books about organized crime, specal agents, ex policemans when they honestly talk about their live and their life experiences and how they see things. Also robert greene kind of motivational modern philosophy books. I dont recmend art of war nietze or any edgy books because it will make you more depresed and autistic.

>>41803010
You need to read books that will lift you up and motivate you like i mentioned in >>41803030
also i highly recomend for everybody The 50th Law by RObert Grenne, it really changed my view on life and im less of a coward after reading it.

>>41803054
If you''re only able to be less of a coward by becoming hyper aggressive, which is what lying and manipulation of others is, than you're fueled by insecurity and not actually dealing with the insecurity.

This is literally "how to become a psychopath" ...

>>41803082
No its not about becoming hyperagressive, i dont fight with people because i know how to act confidently and they stop fucking with me.

High on morphine, drinking, eating chicken nuggets. Life's good brehs

>>41803029
I was honestly like this as a child, I stole from my best friends. I would lure them out of their bedrooms and steal their rookie sports cards because I read in a beckett that they were worth more. I'd cheat them in video games when we would bet things. I lied all the time in elementary school and middle school...wasn't until high school when I realized a lot of shit I did was being exposed and people started to look at me like I was fucking mentally handicapped. I subtly became the local scumbag. It wasn't super serious, but it became evident people, even friends started to slowly avoid me. It sucks because it was just who I was, I had no self awareness at all =/

I've since changed but it took a shit load of pain to change and see myself for who I was. That was hard to deal with. But over time I was able to correct myself.

I eventually got into sales and saw a lot of people like this are in that profession. Not all salesman are like this though, but a fair amount are.

My advice is to avoid this shit tbqh.

>>41803108
Lying and manipulation of others is hyper aggression. Aggression doesn't mean physical by default.

>>41803136
manipulation doesent mean abusing others for your benefits but dealing with difficult situations and udnerstanding how other people works.

>>41803158
What are you trying to do anon? Infiltrate the fucking Kremlin? C'mon man. You can get a read on a person without manipulation, all you need is a brief 3 minute conversation.

Only way this would be worth exercising is if you're purposely looking for peoples secrets. That aside, a brief interaction will tell you a lot about people.

You don't need to be so afraid of people that you need to be willing to lie and manipulate in order to be confident enough to communicate with others. But whatever, I'd only say be careful man...objectively it looks like over kill.

>>41803196
>just be yourself bro
>just be konfident
>stop being depressed

THE ETERNAL NORMIE STRIKES AGAIN

>>41803219
Anon, pls. I'm saying get control of your anxiety, I know that shits not easy man. I know that shit man.

But when you realize, just in general, how little people care, you'll also realize there's nothing to be afraid of...let alone a reason to "lie and manipulate".

>>41797102
welcome to the club, I've been in love with the same girl for 6 years after she broke up with me

don't be an idiot like me though, you need to realize early that what you're in love with is not the girl as she is, but an image of her that you subconsciously project onto her
keep working on yourself, the time will come when you'll be able to look back and call yourself an idiot for caring for so long, go out with other people see what that does for you