was Socrates natty?

>>41771125
I hate that we're supposed to take everything these philosophers and great thinkers said so seriously. Like fuck, what if Socrates said "A man shouldn't die before experiencing the beauty that is shitting in a diaper."

People'd be like well shit Socrates said it, time to buy some pampers

>>41771142
You're a fucking idiot.

>>41771152
Kek
>getting brainwashed this easily

>>41771125

That statue is Hercules.

>>41771158

for strongest man alive that peroid his legs were fucking small kek

>>41771142
He would've been ridiculed for saying it, and people wouldn't bother talking about him centuries after his death.

>>41771169
He was a demigod, his Herculean strength didn't come from muscles.

>>41771182
Right and you know this how? Are you an Ancient Greek? They were weird motherfuckers maybe diapers were a common thing

>>41771142
people still read their stuff two and a half millennia after it was written for a reason, my good pal

>>41771209

are you really this dense?

>>41771169
HERCULES does BROSPLIT and fucks hot GREEK BITCHES while YOU do SS and MASTURBATE to PHILOSOPHY
>SS victims BTFO and on suicide watch

>>41771125
Is hemlock natty?

>>41771209
>being this bored on such a nice day

just kys already lil homie

>>41771157
>brainwashed
You must be descended from a lesser people. Hellenic ideals are literally the best of any culture.

>>41771209
This has to be a joke. No one can actually be this ass backwards retarded.

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>>41771142
>>41771209

>lol people think the most influential thinkers in history are so smart just because of hype

Does your wrangler know you're on the chans, retard-san?

>>41771333
THe fucks a blockchain?

>>41771346
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain

the tldr is "it's what makes bitcoins work"

>>41771373
How does it have to do with blades etc?

>>41771408
It doesn't. He's namedropping it to sound like an edgy hacker-type to normies.

>>41771125

The farmers walk was done by everyone and their mothers before the industrial revolution.

People had to carry shit everywhere. Youd get this body by accident

When farmers walking should I shrug permanently?
Or is it really just hold the weight and walk?

>>41771515
your shoulders should be pinned back

If you try to permashrug, you're in for some serious tension headaches

>>41771142
>>41771209
Jesus christ, never post again

>>41771152
>>41771182
>>41771216
>>41771217
>>41771246
>>41771261
>>41771333
>>41771666
Ah of course here come the masses to suckle at the tit of a long expired "thinker". If these "thinkers" didn't think of these ideas someone else would have.

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>>41771700
>thinkers don't matter because somebody could have just had their idea

nigga what

I don't even know what you're trying to say at this point. Do you think people just like to worship beardy dead guys for no reason? The interesting bit is the idea. Anyone could have had them, but as history would have it particular people did and then expressed and spread them. That's literally what makes it interesting. That the ideas transcend the people who had them.

>>41771142
You know, these quotes work because deep down you fucking know they're right. And that's why they are remembered for.
Now if you'd tell someone that shitting yourself is glorious, they'd probably tell you you're fucking retarded. Tell the same person that it's a joy to see your body rise to peak performance ? That's much more relatable.

>>41771142
You're not supposed to just accept everything they said literally. Plato, Socrates and Aristotle got a lot of shit wrong and also disagreed vehemently. The point is that the sheer volume and depth of their ideas have shaped western thought ever since. You can't begin to understand philosophy, theology or history without knowing at least the basics of the ancients. It's like the Bible, even if you're an atheist you can't deny the influence and importance of it as a document.

>>41771799
>you're not supposed to take them literally
So a bunch of gay old Greek dudes became historically famous for open ended "thoughts" that I'm sure every person has thought at some point in their life? That's dumb as shit

>>41771830
So this is what being stupid looks like.

>>41771852
>hurr durr you don't buy into my fad of pretending to understand the wisdom imparted by these people

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>>41771830
It's okay Anon, we won't make you read them. If you can't entertain the idea that somebody might introduce you to an idea you hadn't come up with yourself, or push you further with it than you would have gone, then there is no point to it.

Enjoy never challenging yourself Anon.

>>41771125
But Socrates himself was known to be somewhat malformed and a hunchback, and people would laugh at his pig face. I always read this quote, which seems to be highly praised on this board, like the expression of some resignation and selfpity as Socrates knew well how he wouldn't be able of achieving ideal beauty on his own body.
This interpretation, at the same time, sheds some new insights on his dialogues with Phaedrus and the jerarquization of the lover higher than the loved one as a way to overcome his resentment through idealism (as beauty, on the more mundane plane, wouldn't be achievable for Socrates; that is, in his own body).

Though, at the same time, Socrates' resentment fits perfectly with this board.

>>41771931
You said it, "challenging yourself"
Or in other words, not relying on the words of some primitive ancient relic of a human to derive meaning and purpose in one's life. Got it.

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>>41771700
>If these "thinkers" didn't think of these ideas someone else would have.

>>41771956
>relying on

If that's what you think philosophy is, then it wouldn't help you anyway. What you're thinking of is dogma.

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Is fucking cute boys the secret to the ancient Greek physique?

>>41771956
>primitive ancient relic of a human
>thinking that one is primitive just because he lived over two thousand years ago
People might have new toys now but are otherwise the same as they were then.

>>41771142
Damn Boi that's some quality bait.

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>Plato
>Socrates
>Aristotle


All hacks. Diogenes is the most /fit/ of all the ancient philosophers. Can any of you even into cynicism?

>>41773119

>implying /fit/izens are intelligent enough to be aware of their own ignorance.

I remember my first day on /fit/...

>>41771216
Because people dont think for themselves? The shit philosophers spout should be common knowledge to those with half a brain

>>41771209
>thinking nobody knows anything about ancient greece

They did have faggots back then, you'd fit in.

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>>41771169
LOL, never change /fit/

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>>41771209
>>41771142

Real Greeks shit wherever the fuck they want

>>41771936
His face was ugly, that sure but I don't know how his body was looking.

Plato on the other hand was definitely /fit/

for my more well read anons.

I am interested in the writi gs of classical philosophers. Specifically those dealong on cynicism, nihilism, and ethics.

Any suggestions? About to order some Nietzche online.. anything else

>>41771142

Anon, how dumb are you Jesus fucking Christ

>>41771157
>not understanding that philosophy is the direct opposite of getting brainwashed
Where you born this stupid? Or did the roids cause it chad?

>>41771700
By that logic nobody has ever done anything of worth because somebody else would have just done it anyway.

>>41771479
i think he just meant nunchucks

>>41774133
It's not exactly what you're looking for, but it sounds like you might enjoy the stoics. "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius is a pretty light read.

>>41774378
If that's the case, then there's an extra layer of cringe I didn't even notice. I really hope he didn't.

>>41771142
god tier bait

>>41773305
>my boy Diogenes
>wanks where he wants
>shits where he wants
>lives in a barrel
>dogs like him
>sassy as fuck

Literally full-time trolled all of society for years including Alexander the Great and Plato. 10/10

>>41775863
>katana
>nunchucks
>inner strength
or
>katana
>bitcoins
>inner strength
seems pretty obvious tbqh

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>>41776027
You're probably right. I've never heard nunchucks called blockchains, so it didn't occur to me.

Here, have another badass on the house.

>>41771125
Couldn't Socrates spell?

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>>41771142

>>41771936

You really couldn't have just said hierarchy? You had to be a neckbeard?

>>41771125
he was likely a fatty who basically did desk work all day

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>>41771125
Probably, but he also had some gyno.

>>41771142

this is a g00d p0st friend0

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>>41771936
i can't believe i had to scroll this far down

socrates was famously ugly, weird, and married to a bit of a mule. he spent a lot of time walking around so he probably wasn't fat, but he preferred the academy over the gymnasium so he certainly wasn't athletic or muscular

it's you cowards don't even into college

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>>41771169
OP's pic is early in his life when he didn't unlock his final form.

Pic related is him later in life.

>>41771125
I dunno, but if that statue is anything like him he hella thicc

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>>41771142
>>41771936
>>41776140
Reminder that Socrates fought as a hoplite in the Peloponnesian fuckin War

CAN YOU STOP FUCKING SPREADING THIS QUOTE, SOCRATES NEVER SAID IT

THAT'S NOT EVEN A STATUE OF SOCRATES, FUCK YOU

>>41771142
Kek

>>41773119
Diogenes was a good devil's advocate. Socrates is the GOAT, tho.

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>>41771142
bait to good to be wasted on /fit/

>>41772006
I do it all the time, it's great for gains

>>41777688
>SOCRATES NEVER SAID IT
I know that Xenophon isn't as reliable a source as Plato, but he's still a source.

Romans>Greeks

>>41775999
based trips of philosophy cultivate truth

>>41771125
>399 BC
>not drinking hemlock with whey before doing SS (starting symposium)
shiggy diggy

>>41777672
the what

>>41771956
>some primitive ancient relic of a human
Ist very sad that you can not understand how those men lived. They were free, they were no consumers, they were no concern with getting Money to buy something to eat, or buy stuff so other like them, they were no brainwashed, they had time themself and this is why they were capable of doing what they've done.
They very possible where the Peak of human mental capability.

But yeah, you sure are better from them on every Level possible... anon

>>41771830
>a bunch of gay old Greek dudes
>look better than you
>are stronger than you
>are smarter than you
>are being loved more then you
>are fucking more than you
>are being praised

you sound a bit salty anon of a Taiwanese loli Anime loving bord.

>>41779616
but muh technology is happiness lel

>>41777672
really? i didn't knew that and i lived and went to School couple of years in Greece.
Have you salsa on that?

>>41771142
False equivalency, that quote gives a rational. Socrates advocates to exercise until you can no longer become more aesthetic, because otherwise you miss out on the opportunity. This quote doesn't apply solely to physical fitness, it can extend to anything to which you can see how successful you can be. He's pretty much saying shoot for the stars while you still can. The only thing the quote doesn't directly providw is why missing out on your true potential is a shame.

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>>41779727
He fought at Delium, Amphipolis and Potidea.

The general he served under allegedly had his life saved by him at Potidea. They were also very close personally so, grain of salt, but it gets mentioned by others that Socrates fought well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates#Military_service

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>>41771125

SLAYER GLUTES

>>41780052
I swam countless times in the beautiful Waters of Potidea.
Thank you Anon

>>41778569

Socrates was a hemlock guzzling chump.

>>41771169
What a mongoloid, Jesus Christ.

>>41780181
You're welcome.

I messed up my timeline though - the guy Socrates saved was not in command at Potidea, but would later go on to become a general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcibiades#Early_years

>>41771142
I am 100% sure this guy is from the US

>>41771204
Being a demigod doesn't work like that in those stories. Herakles had to earn his immortality by a variety of initiatic ordeals. He was very strong, but that's not all there is to it.

Reccomendations for philosophers/writings/stories/books ect. that dabbled in training and/or becoming all you can be? Not looking for self-help shit

>>41780579
just wanted to add:
"why the fuck were the Athenians fighting in Potidea. I'm half greek Macedonian and i find it bad that the Macedonians did not help the Potideans...
The Athenians won that fight, but lost the War against the Peloponnesian League, Yes!

Where are you from mate?

>>41771125
How to get an ass like this? Squats and deads are not enough

>>41781043
and imagine now the Spartans that dedicated their life to battle, or the Macedonias that were referred to as Barbarians from the Athenians, and conquer the known world at the time.

We must find a way to revive the hellenic Spirit all over the world!

>>41781064
>I'm half greek Macedonian

from where in macedonia?

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>>41781064
It's complicated. Basically the Peloponnesian War was a huge clusterfuck. There were two big blocks of alliances, one led by Athens (the Delian League) and one led by Sparta (the Peloponnesian League). Basically some smaller conflicts spun out of control and brought everybody into the fight. The specifics are super messy, but I'll give you the tldr.

At the time the big city states had a bunch of colonies and tributaries all over the place. Potidea was a colony established by Corinth (allied with Sparta), but the colony itself was a tributary to Athens.
Another colony of Corinth named Corcyra rebelled and the Corinthians lost a naval battle to them. Corinth began to expand their fleet to take down Corcyra. To avoid being taken Corcyra decided to get a defensive alliance with Athens, famous for their huge and powerful fleet. At a later time, the Athenian fleet intervened in a battle and prevented the Corinthians from exploiting a victory over the Corcyran fleet (which they were only allowed to do by the terms of the peace treaty if the Corinthians meant to push on into Corcyra, but the situation was murky).

Afterwards Athens asked Potidea to tear down its walls and send hostages to Athens to keep them from rebelling. The Corinthians promised to support Potidea if they did choose to rebel, and were secretly smuggling men and weapons to help defend the colony from an Athenian attack (which they were not allowed to do as per the peace treaty). This led to a battle at Potidea, as well as a very expensive and long naval blockade and siege by Athens.

I'm from Denmark. I'm not a historian but I'm interested in ancient history. "Lords of the Sea" by John R. Hale is a great book about the athenian navy and has a very thorough description of the Peloponnesian War.

Are you Macedonian?

>>41781064
>>41781320

Derp, of course you're macedonian. You said so - my bad! Reading too fast.

>>41777688

It's sourced by Xenophon but it's taken out of context. He's having a discussion about how men should do military service.

>>41781292
Born in Thessaloniki the most beautiful City in the world. Full of female students.
You?

>>41771373
fit/g/biz detected.

>>41781388
>Born in Thessaloniki the most beautiful City in the world. Full of female students.

have origins in the peloponnesus from my father line, my mother line were greek from asia minor, have family in macedonia since a lot of them settled there,

was born in germany btw, did your ancestors lived in thessaloniki or they settled after?

>>41771936
>>41777672
>>41779696
>>41780052
>>41776189

I think I read somewhere that the statues are jacked because they were considered of such powerful minds that while they were old men they deserved to be depicted as physically fit too despite obviously being frail and probably saggy and fat

maybe other anons can confirm

>>41781320
Thank you!
that was very interesting, i love history, done the peloponnisian wars in School, but i dont remember anymore very much.
Beautiful to see that someone from Denmark knows so much.

Socrates was an ugly nigger
>>41771142
philosophy and politics are just copes for the fact that handsome men can do no wrong, only low test brainlets actually care about it.

>>41781388
maybe we're from the same villages in macedonia!

>>41781458
Well i was Born in Thessaloniki, but im half Greek, the other half i'm an Inka.
My mother is from Peru.
So you were Born in Germany, gues what!
I live in Germany now.
My Grandfather is from Bolos, but my father and i were Born in Thessaloniki. So i see mxself as a Thessaloniker.
Where do you live now?

>>41781525
Where are you from fellow Greek?

>>41781538
munich, lol that's funny, and you?

>>41781553
and maternal grandparents were from Kilkis and Naousa

>>41781557
Not far too away, im living in Stuttgart.
So wir können auch Deutsch reden, h Ellinika!

>>41781580
A true Macedonian! Where are you living now?

>>41781621
macedonian, i wish, but none of my ancestors originate from macedonia, greek yes!

>>41771142
Found the retarded American

>>41781646
he's not american, he's peruvian

>>41781652
Is the guy that wrote >>41771142 Peruvian?
What a shame...

>>41781646
He's right though, philosophy is for ugly faggots.

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>>41781509
No problem, dude! Always a pleasure to geek out.