Vegan General

Are vegans not allowed eggs?

>>41761249
no meat, no milk, no eggs

>>41761233
>drinking milk also means drinking pus
>eating meat means eating poop!

Holy shit, I'm tired of vegans and their stupid "ewww, grosss!!!" meme. I'd eat horse seamen if it tasted as good as steak. May as well stop drinking water because fish swam in it.

>>41761325
Steak tastes average and always requires seasoning or condiments. Regardless, it's unhealthy for you and you had to kill something to get it for absolutely no reason.

>>41761275

Ah fuck that then.
Eggs are gangster.

>>41761275

What if I keep a pet chicken and treat it nicely but keep the eggs for my own?

>>41761356
>what if I keep a black slave and treat "it" nicely but keep the products of his slavery for my own?

>>41761362

Don't chickens lay eggs constantly in nature tho?

Vegans are practically religious fanatics when it comes to this bullshit.
Why not in a vegan thread you spread some cool recipes rather than crying about how not everyone thinks like you?

>>41761382
>don't humans work constantly in nature tho?

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>>41761385

>>41761233
>Somatic cells (commonly known as "pus")

Somatic cells are any cells other than reproductive ones, I'm not sure where you got this from

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>>41761412
>defending drinking milk

>>41761342
Eggs are literal trash tier food for plebs who want to get diabetes and die of a heart attack

>>41761336

So, the fact that countless animals die as a result of agriculture does not matter to you? No matter what you eat, you are responsible for some animal's death. Or, is it human life = cow/chicken life =/= bugs?

>>41761390

>implying a passive bodily function is the same as working for gain.

Do you place a high value on your own feces?

>>41761454

Prove it.

>>41761464
>he's playing the agriculture argument
So I can farm a tract of land, killing animals, feed the harvest to a cow and then kill and eat it or I can take the path where I harm less animals and eat the food myself.

Hmmmmm.........

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>>41761479
f

>>41761233
Watch Food Inc. and Food Choices documentaries. You can't eat a political ideology, ya dingus.

>>41761362
Chickens != human's
You analogy is shit.

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>>41761401
>protein needs, age 14-18
>52g

>>41761477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNby8ongJsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8ASQZ0dZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGf2FuzKo4

Watch this. All studies are referenced. Guy is a doctor specialising in clinical nutrition.

>>41761362
Why did you have to say "black" slave? Fucking cuck, a slave can be any color you libstain. Thanks for telling me everything i need to know avout vegans shitlord

>>41761531
>he bought into marketing lies like the dumb cunt he is and thinks you need at least 200g of protein every hour or you'll go catabolic, lose all your gains and look like you just left auschwitz

>>41761518
name the trait present in chickens that, if present in humans, would justify killing us. there is no trait. you're a faggot pushing a double standard

>>41761518
Chicken is a living, feeling creature. Just like a human being.

>>41761518
blacks != humans
The analogy was fine.

>>41761532

He's a serious cherry-picker though.

>>41761531
>he fell for the protein Jew

>>41761427
>being such a weak-minded faggot that you get turned off by a bit of pus and shit

>>41761233

That image has some truth in it, but is awful for a variety of reasons.

>Implies that every farm animal is as resource-intensive as beef

Raising chickens is only slightly less efficient than raising insects for food, the latter of which you often hear about from vegans who conveniently neglect to mention how resource-efficient chicken is.

You could easily raise hundreds of chickens using the same grain and water resources as it takes to produce one cow.

>Muh "meat is gross"

Good thing we pasteurize our milk and cook the meat, eh?

>"Muh water use!"

A fair point, but again this only applies to large animals like cows (and pigs, to a lesser extent).


You can eat meat and still be environmentally conscious. That's why most of the animal protein I consume is from poultry and small fish species from stocks which are healthily populated.

>>41761531

For people who don't bodybuild, that's actually true. We don't need much protein to maintain nitrogen balance.

>>41761233
>the truth about eating animals its mass mechanized murder
>eating animals its mass mechanized murder
>mass mechanized murder
>murder

Stopped reading there. Apparently animals killing other animals is murder.

>>41761566
Can you prove that or is that just your emotional position because it means your diet is shit?

>>41761578
>cook the meat
>Good thing we create heterocyclic amines which cause cancer, eh?
Retard

>>41761566
>hasn't even watched the source
>still arguing about it

This is why you can't argue with meat eaters. They cannot into logic. Eating meat is literally killing our planet and their greatest "argument" is "meat tastes good".

>>41761593
Imagine being this much of a spineless waste of human that you won't eat meat because of "the planet."

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>>41761537
like, ugh, I know right, the cucking libtarded stain, fuck that cunting shitlord bro. valhala shall welcome the strong

>>41761623
really bad bait desu

>>41761494
>my delicate sensibilities do not allow me to kill animals to grow stronger

Yous a little bitch.

>>41761668
>my delicate sensibilities do not allow me to kill animals to grow stronger
What part of the animal helps you grow stronger that you can't get elsewhere?

>Yous a little bitch.
I hope you're only ironically talking like a nigger

>>41761552
That's not how it works, shit for brains. It's "name the trait present in humans that, if found in chickens, would justify not killing them". That is the human soul.

>>41761494

So, it is the marginal killing that matters to you?

By this logic, eating animals you hunt (or that are raised free range) is as ethical as eating farmed produce, since in each case you are only responsible for one step of life taking.

26 chickens a year?
try at least 2 chickenbreasts a day aka 730 chickens a year plus about 150kg beef

>>41761707

>the human soul

Doesn't exist

>>41761707
It works both ways. Souls aren't real

>>41761710
>free range
Not ethical
>life taking
Not ethical when there are alternatives that feed more people

>>41761727
cuck off fedora fag

>>41761578

We can leave out the ethical standpoint for your sake if you're going to fall back on chickens being sustainable, as that doesn't seem to be of your concern anyway, however, the grains that feed the chickens still need to be transported, which also accounts for a large carbon footprint of the industry, especially seeing that the grains are nearly always cheaply imported from developing countries in Africa or Asia for example. Now let's assume that in a theoretical future all demands for meat were met with poultry; you'd still have extremely inefficient use of space. Were you to use the space to grow crops you'd eliminate the stress on the environment stemming from global crop transport for livestock feed as well as nitrogen pollution of local soil/water bodies in the vicinity of the chicken farms, which is another major issue with the meat industry. Instead of this you could just efficiently grow crops locally.

>>41761479
fkr

>>41761777
>especially seeing that the grains are nearly always cheaply imported from developing countries in Africa or Asia for example

Let's all just stop eating meat to destroy the only industry these shitholes have ever created! They can just come as refugees to our liberal, vegan, feminis countries. Everyone will be happy :)

>>41761587
This. Not sure why humans need to take the moral high ground on not killing animals for food although killing for sport and mutilation of animals can be a flag for some serial killer shit down the line

>>41761356
Pretty respectable imo

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>>41761777

Chicken farming is also a major cause of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, and chicken shit spreads a lot of arsenic into soil and water

>>41761587
>>41761810
If you want to argue semantics due to anthropocentric definitions we can say genocide or holocaust. Up to you.

>>41761777

Really, the largest problem is that people in developed countries (the U.S., especially) eat an excess of meat.

There's no reason for a fat lard ass to eat 250 grams of protein a day when they don't exercise. A large amount of what is now used for livestock should be replaced with space used to grow grains and legumes.

Meat below a certain amount should be available for everyone to purchase, but to go amount the quota you should have to prove that you do strength training and need above a certain amount of lean protein.

This would have the added benefit of upsetting fat people.

>>41761806

I want /pol/ to leave.

>>41761531

That's correct, just not what people shoot for if they're into strength training. Read any nutrition label with some amount of protein in it, do the math, and figure out that the recommended daily value of protein for a normal person is about 50g. Or you can just google it.

>>41761869


I meant to say "above the quota."

>>41761857
This is also a legit problem and again should help push for a more local option, I raise your own and or hunt

>>41761869
I'm all for upsetting fatties but there should be a different way. Meat should not be available for everyone. Constipation alone costs the US billions a year when dumb cunts could just eat some vegetables instead. And that isn't even to talk about serious diseases like CHD (the number one killer of Americans linked directly to cholesterol and saturated fat intake), CVD, diabetes and cancer.

>>41761233
Veganism is right up there with conservatism as the most hypocritical lifestyle a person can choose.

>>41761336
>always requires seasoning or condiments
try a good steak, not one from golden corral

>>41761869
I seriously can't stand lefties anymore.

>forbid this
>tax that
>gender this

And whenever someone disagrees that the government should not choose what food others eat
>I want /pol/ to leave

>>41761690
>What part of the animal helps you grow stronger that you can't get elsewhere?
Hunting it down by tracking it, running it down, wrestling it to the ground, slitting its throat, digging my fist into its chest, pulling out its heart and eating it, the adrenaline of it all stimulating my muscle growth as I devour its protein rich flesh to feed my muscles to be faster, stronger, more powerful for tomorrow's hunt. Nothing you'd understand being a sally sitting around singing kumbaya watching your flowers grow.

>talking like a nigger
And you're a racist to boot. You really are the type of genetic dead end who values the lives of other organisms more than that of your own species, bitch nigga.

>>41761915

Let's hear your reasoning.

>>41761806
What you need to understand is that there is a very real demand for crops for these communities locally, back at home, it's just that currently it is more profitable for farmers to export their crops to the meat industry in more developed countries.

>>41761356

I'd say it's fine ethically, just not healthy.

>>41761587

>Apparently animals killing other animals is murder.

It seems like you say that as if to imply that when an animal kills another animal, it is always out of necessity. That's simply untrue and not the case with humans at all. A shark kills a seal out of necessity. It requires meat to survive. Humans functions perfectly fine without having to eat any animals or their produce.

>>41761911
Hunting and raising your own is still unethical and unhealthy. Please stop trying to justify using modern outfits, modern lures, modern equipment, modern weapons, etc to hunt an animal for no reason.

>>41761915
>I'm an idiot and I'm just going to say words and pretend I'm right

>>41761919
Nah I'm good

>>41761935
>stupid power fantasies that don't answer my question
So you have no answer

>And you're a racist to boot. You really are the type of genetic dead end who values the lives of other organisms more than that of your own species
Niggers aren't my species tho

>>41761857
Yeah there's countless factors. The anon was just talking about the environment and so I tried to stick to that to make it digestible.

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Great thread, I'm going to dump my don't drink milk infographics

>>41761913

(Numbering different parts of my post so replying to each section isn't difficult)

1) In an ideal world run by vegans, would anyone eat meat at all? Asking both you and any vegan browsing this.

2) I know that vegan diets are rich in every essential nutrient except for B12, but what about lean protein? Protein is easy enough to get while vegan, but with it comes a lot of calories, unlike when eating meat or fish.

3) I'd be interested if someone were to crunch the data about vegan lean protein (such as vegan protein powders) in terms of cost and resource efficiency compared to whey powder.

>>41761946
>la la la, I don't like your answer so it doesn't count, la la la

Yeah, yous a bitch nigga.

>>41761974
>In an ideal world run by vegans, would anyone eat meat at all?
No, if people are properly educated about the downsides of meat for the human body and the environment and there are high punishments for harming animals, combined with an illegal meat industry, nobody would be eating meat at all.

>>41761249
No animal products you fucking spastic.

>>41761974
>what about lean protein?
99,9% of the population don't need to high amounts of lean protein, so the question is pointless

>>41761690
>>41761935
holy shit, this is the funniest exchange I ever saw on 4chin. a vegan cuck clashes with regular cuck.
ok faggots, keep going now, I want to see more

>>41761996
Would we also be taxed for breathing air and castrated for drinking fresh water in this eden of yours, miss pixie pants?

>>41761974
>1) In an ideal world run by vegans, would anyone eat meat at all?
In an ideal world people wouldn't consume animal products

>2) I know that vegan diets are rich in every essential nutrient except for B12
Meat diets lack B12 too. It's supplemented into the animal feed and minimally from grass/water if free range. It's produced by bacteria.

>Protein is easy enough to get while vegan, but with it comes a lot of calories, unlike when eating meat or fish
I think our disagreement here will ultimately come from how much protein we think is needed. I'm a pretty basic vegan and can meet my protein needs within my calories so I haven't given this much thought.

>3) I'd be interested if someone were to crunch the data about vegan lean protein (such as vegan protein powders) in terms of cost and resource efficiency compared to whey powder.
I don't know anything about resource efficiency but it's probably easier to use a plant source than growing plants to feed animals to then derive protein. I have a rice/pea protein powder that cost the same as every other powder. The down side is it tastes like shit. But that could just be the flavour. I've never liked ANY chocolate protein powder

>>41762042
>argumentum ad absurdum
I want /pol/ to leave.

>>41761982
>this is a potato
>it grows tubers to store energy so that i can bloom and reproduce
>you are not a potato sprout
>it is unnatural to eat potato tubers

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>>41762080

>>41761974

for 1); Ideally no. There's no inherent need/reason to do so living in a developed country, however the definition of veganism states that it tries to "eliminate cruelty and suffering as much as --practically-- possible", meaning that, if for whatever reason you are shipwrecked in the open sea, for example, your only source of nourishment being a fish you just harpooned, you are still vegan if you eat that to survive. I know this sounds mind boggling, but this is a logical conclusion from my aforementioned definition of veganism.

To be honest I'm very new to lifting as a whole and haven't looked into the matter of lean protein. All I can say is that while vegan sources of protein may come with the luggage of more calories, it does not the include the luggage of saturated fats and an increased risk factor of coronary heart disease amongst many other things. I'll let the more seasoned lifting vegans answer that one.

>>41762066
>let me disregard your argument because I don't like it

Something tells me you're also a feminist, an sjw and identify as a gender fluid tree bark.

>>41762106
>for example, your only source of nourishment being a fish you just harpooned, you are still vegan
No, you're not. Whatever the reason, you are NOT allowed to harm animals and call yourself a vegan at the same time.

>>41762119
This is wrong and I suspect it's a non-vegan saying it. Not even the guy you're replying to.

>>41762111
What argument? No, vegans won't tax breathing as they won't tax eating/producing meat. We will just forbid these things.

>>41762129
Of course it is right. Eskimos are killing seals to survive. Are they allowed to call themselves vegans?

>>41762119
... but you kill millions of insects and animals to ensure the growth and harvesting of crops.

>>41762145
Eskimos aren't killing seals to survive though. This argument is shit. Why do non-vegans pretend to have an understanding of veganism?

>>41762119
Read the definition again. The risk of dying of starvation is an impracticality, thus necessitating eating whatever is at hand to prevent death. Again, by the aforementioned definition of veganism you are still technically vegan in that situation. I'm currently living in a developed country, therefore it's perfectly practical for me not to consume any animal products.

>>41762189
This argument is alright. The statement was "if you eat animals to survive, you are still a vegan" which is bullshit.

>>41762184
lmao citation please.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000632079390060E?via%3Dihub

This asserts otherwise

>>41762207
Again, they aren't killing seals to survive. If you choose to be somewhere it's not a necessity to kill something. Brainlets shouldn't be allowed to give their opinions on things they don't understand.

>>41762189

>>Why do non-vegans pretend to have an understanding of veganism?

Conversations over guys, time to go to another thread.

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>>41762184
read
>millions of incest

chuckld

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>>41762228
>Brainlets shouldn't be allowed to give their opinions on things they don't understand.

You mean like vegans on a lifting board?

>>41761936
>>41761946
If you care about the environment there are a million more effective ways to make a difference. Being a vegan is meaningless, no different really than hash tagging a cause you believe in. You get to be proud of yourself without any actual accomplishment.

From a health perspective I know you all discuss how easy it is to achieve a healthy diet but most vegans are sickly as fuck. It can be healthy the same way any respectable diet can be healthy but takes considerably more effort because we evolved to be great at processing the nutrients in animals.

I'll eat two chicken breasts instead of one because of this shitty thread.

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>>41761998
Hey guys did you know I"m a Vegan, we'll I just wanted to make a thread to let you know!

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Are all you vegan faggots refugees from /ck/ or something? Veganism is the ultimate gains goblin and it should only be discussed here in the same way smoking and drinking are. ie don't fucking do it.

>>41762259
This is a fitness board. Even when trying to be smart you look like a dumb cunt.

>>41762266
It's the number one way to help the environment considering the animal husbandry industry is the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions.

>most vegans are sickly as fuck
Prove it

>we evolved to be great at processing the nutrients in animals.
>be gatherers without tools for hundreds of thousands of years
>BUT WE PROCESS DA ANIMALS GUD AND YEAH NO PROOF BUT YEAH I THINK ITS RIGHT THANKS

>>41762289
Clarence Kennedy is vegan and could outlift the entire board. You don't even have a reason why it "STEELS MUH GAINZ" except for marketing you've been fed and ate up unquestioningly

>>41762309
Should at least children be allowed to eat meat or will you crusify them as well because of your sect?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/11/italian-baby-fed-vegan-diet-hospitalized-for-malnutrition/?utm_term=.bb6b148ff31f

>>41762284
>not eating a plate of dak bal

Spite vegans on my level, pleb. At least fourteen chickens died for my lunch today.

>>41762289

Doesn't look like you presented an argument with your statement... Oh well here's your (You).

>>41762335
I raise your shitty news article from the Washington Post which is pure speculation with a statement given by the American Dietetics Association
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

>>41762335
>Mary Hui is a summer intern at the Post covering transportation and social issues.
toppest kek

>>41762309
Its the number 0 way since the world runs on supply and demand and removing yourself as a consumer of meat and dairy has no meaningful impact on the demand. Thats like saying that the best sex education is abstenance. Completely ineffectual.

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>>41762309
>animal husbandry industry is the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions.
that is a lie.

Total agriculture is 24%, electricity is 25%. Even if you say all of agriculture's emissions are animals, you are still wrong.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data

>Clarence Kennedy
Pic related when someone thinks some vegan autist is strong.

>>41762355
>>41762338

Okay, you might not have understand this but this is a vegan thread for vegans. We won't fall for your propaganda made by the meat industry because we tried the vegan diet ourselves and live perfectly fine and healthy.

>>41762284
You're a childish evil brainlet

>>41762417
Yeah, keep riding the high horse and insulting people with different opinion. This will certainly make society more acceptable of vegans.

I can't believe you retarded faggots are still arguing about "vegan is good because the meat industry is bad." All industrial agriculture is inherently evil, and no matter how much you work out, eating too much meat will make you fat.

Try a natural diet: whole grains, produce, legumes, probiotics. You can't eat politics or morality, and soy turns you into a woman.

t. Milk is best used as a carrier of beneficial microorganisms, i.e., yoghurt, cheese, skyr, kefir, filmjolk. Meat is delicious but harmful in excess of 1 lb per week; skyr is loaded with more than enough protein.

>>41762388
>global emissions
>including China which doesn't abide by environmental sustainability protocols
kek
>Electricity only beats agriculture by 1%
top kek

So what is your argument here again? That I can't reduce greenhouse gas emissions by being vegan?

>>41762388
And I bet beef production makes up less than half of that. It's always the first straw they clutch to when using environmental arguments

>>41762355
This statement is about vegetarian diet not vegan diet.

>>41762388

Those 24% do not factor in transport emissions correlated with animal agriculture.

>>41762456
that you lie.

Which was proved.

>>41762471
Sorry >>41762355
overread the first part where it mentions vegans as well.

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>>41761401
I'm on a keto diet, where I eat mostly animals, and my cholesterol is 151, lower than your vegetarian example.

Animals are delicious.

>>41762471
>being retarded
Vegetarian is the term used in nutrition to refer to veganism. Lacto-ovo-vegetarian is used to refer to what YOU would call a vegetarian.

>>41762478
You haven't proven anything. You're conflating statistics dishonestly. You're not counting cross-over between industries. And this is all apparently backing your claim that being vegan can't reduce greenhouse emissions AT ALL. You're not arguing your position well here.

>>41762474
Do they factor in transport emissions correlated with vegetable production you dumb fuck?
All those estrogens are fucking with your head.

>>41762474
>nor does it include: This estimate does not include the CO2 that ecosystems remove from the atmosphere by sequestering carbon in biomass, dead organic matter, and soils, which offset approximately 20% of emissions from this sector.

what is your point? The statement that animal husbandry is the largest producer of greenhouse gasses is a lie.

>>41762449

Fermented foods. Kimchi, sauerkraut, kombutcha, tempeh, miso. There are also unfermented foods which are rich in probiotic compounds such as raw cacao.

>>41762510
>You're not counting cross-over between industries
I like your source that says anything like what you are saying is even remotely true.

>>41762510
>being vegan can't reduce greenhouse emissions AT ALL
As long as you buy produce flown in from Mexico because you need fruits and vegetables in the winter, you're no "greener" than you would be at the deli counter. The way to reduce individual carbon consumption is to grow your own food, but that does nothing to stop Ag, Inc.

>>41762523

Vegetables that can be grown locally instead of importing crops from around the globe, thus eliminating the carbon footprint to near zero values?

>>41762538
You're including China to deliberately mislead. And even in doing so it still doesn't argue against veganism reducing environmental damage. Try harder.

>>41762581
>Assumes people are buying produce from Mexico
Christ

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>>41762603
Okay, here is the US.

Tell me how much crossover there is. Total Ag is 9%

>>41762397
>we tried the vegan diet ourselves and live perfectly fine and healthy

I'm perfectly healthy and fine, AND I get to enjoy spare ribs. I got the better deal.

>>41762449
>All industrial agriculture is inherently evil

Yep. Vegans should ask themselves if they're willing to give up orchard nuts, because their leaders take miles when given inches and almonds are the next big "unsustainable" product after meat.

Question to all vegans in this thread:

Do you also don't buy products/meds/clothing that were tested on/produced off animals?

For example, I know vegans who won't go to the cinema if there are trained animals in the movie.

>>41762603
>argue against veganism reducing environmental damage
Show one source that says this is true in the western world.

>>41762355
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
>appropriately planned vegetarian diets
>Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate
>In some cases, supplements or fortified foods can provide useful amounts of important nutrients.

So you need to plan your food intake every single day so your child won't die of malnutrition? You sure convinced me to become a vegan.

>>41762620
>posts pie chart
>thinks this proves anything
Animal Husbandry Industry includes electricity, agriculture, industry, transport, etc. You're asking for data your source doesn't provide. Stop being retarded and pretending like this supports your statement that being vegan CAN'T help with environmental issues.

>>41762621
>I'm perfectly healthy and fine
>If I'm not dead I must be healthy!

>All industrial agriculture is inherently evil
Strawman

>>41762649
Veganism is about avoiding doing harm to animals as much as is practicable.

>>41762668
Cowspiracy.

>>41762690
>Thinking about what I eat is too hard
I wonder what you're deficient in. 40% of Americans are B12 deficient and they eat meat. You'll almost definitely be deficient in fibre intake.

About the enviromental argument:

Isn't it better to reduce the number of human beings? Aren't the ten billion people at the end of the century more of a concern for our planet than eating some chicken?

>>41762718
>Eat less meat?
>Fuck that lets just kill some people instead
You going to eat them too, faggot?

>>41762259
He looks like he has some disease.

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>>41762708
>includes electricity, agriculture, industry, transport, etc. You're asking for data your source doesn't provide.
Actually it does.

And you are still lying.

>>41762690

Any diet that isn't appropriately planned is inappropriate. I don't know why people think only if you're vegan do you have to think about what you're eating. Badly planned omni diets are why we have an epidemic of obese, diabetic children.

>>41762745
>ten billion people are no problem for our planet

Better try to forbid honey, right?

>>41762718

>This is a problem, therefore that problem doesn't exist

>>41762777
>Electricty number one contributer to greenhouse gasses
>be vegan
>spend all day shitposting about your shitty diet while pretending to help the environment
Just stop being lying hypocrites, it may help your argument.

>>41762766
>Actually it does.
>Ignores the electricity, industry, transport, etc part of the post
Give it up. What you said doesn't support your assertion. Veganism helps the environment

>>41762776
>If I strawman his argument I win
kek

>>41762777
>>41762814
>Give it up. What you said doesn't support your assertion. Veganism helps the environment
He proved you wrong, you fucking faggot. Go cry over your soy milk, bitch.

>>41762443
it's not the insult, it's the brainlet-ism
and nobody can argue that most of the people in the society are retarded with strong herd mentality

>>41762814
>What you said doesn't support your assertion.
My assertion the animal husbandry isn't the largest producer of greenhouse gasses. Yes it does. It completely disproves that retarded statement.
>Veganism helps the environment
>Based on a vegan propaganda film
kek

>>41762708
>Veganism is about avoiding doing harm to animals as much as is practicable

It's not practical for me to stop eating meat. I'm going to call myself a vegan and there isn't shit you can do about it.

>>41762523
you mean the mammal estrogen from the cow boobies excretion you chugged?

>>41762708
>Veganism is about avoiding doing harm to animals as much as is practicable.
But how do you live this way? Where do you buy your clothes? For what company do you work that doesn't harm animals? Are you refusing meds if it was tested on animals before?

>>41762824
no, he didn't. he presented data in a dishonest fashion. i dont know why youre deluding yourself i guess meat just tastes that good to you..

>>41762766
You realize a large part of those crops being cultivated are fed to the animals you then eat right? A majority of the grains cultivated in the US are fed to animals.

>>41762874

>as much as practically possible
>as much as practically possible
>as much as practically possible

>>41762880
>no, he didn't. he presented data in a dishonest fashion.
>Give links from EPA.gov that says you are full of shit.
>get asked for source
>Say cowspiracy
Fucking kek, and you have the balls to call someone else dishonest.

You are a moron.

>>41762888
this, i was gonna point it out. cant tell if these guys are being dishonest or ignorant of that fact

>>41762891
So you won't answer these questions?

>>41762888
that wasn't the argument. I showed that meat is not the #1 producer of greenhouse gasses as some vegan claimed. they then said that those numbers didn't include transportation. I again showed them to be lying.

That crops are fed to animals is irrelevant to the point being proved.

>>41762891
Copout.
I hope you all are Jainists.

The vegans in this thread use the same rhetoric as the SJWs talking about feminism and white privilege.

>>41761233
>uses shitty Peta2 disinfographic

As a former vegan of 15 years, even I'm embarrassed by your choice of propaganda.

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>>41762935
What? Vegans lie to push their agenda? As if something like this would be possible for these honest, intelligent and open-minded people.

>>41762920
quote anyone saying "meat is the #1 producer of greenhouse gases", not meaning the net emissions of animal agriculture as a whole when factoring in grain feed, transportation and electricity.

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>>41762954
Some anons calculated how much water cress you need to get 180g of protein.

>>41762931
how is that a copout, its the literal definition

>>41762309
>It's the number one way to help the environment considering the animal husbandry industry is the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions.
>>41762962

>>41762984
Don't try to reason with vegans. Look how much time and energy you spend to argue with this idiot. Think about what productive things you could have achieved in this time.

>>41762984
where does it imply that he's not talking about the net emissions?

>>41762962
>not meaning the net emissions of animal agriculture as a whole when factoring in grain feed, transportation and electricity.
But that is still not true.

EPA.gov includes that, and even does not include that crops are co2 sinks, and agriculture as a whole is still not the largest producer of greenhouse gasses. Include thinks like forestry and "other land uses".

Am I allowed to keep a pet as a vegan?

>>41762984
>>41762998
>turns out the emissions are marginally smaller than some anon on the internet stated!

let's assume this is true for your benefit of doubt. are you gonna disregard ethics and health?

>>41762998
ya it is getting absurd.

I couldn't imagine being so invested in an ideology that I would completely ignore that I had been smashed like a six dollar whore.

>>41763014
I'd encourage adopting a pet at a shelter but condemn getting it from a breeder personally.

>>41762998
This. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. Arguing with them only further entrenches them in their beliefs even when disproven.

>>41763024
I'm not even going to start to argue with you because you won't start eating meat and I won't become a vegan no matter what arguments we throw at each other. Have a nice day. Bye.

>>41763024
>are you gonna disregard ethics
yes, your ethics are from an empathy response. And I am not an emotional little bitch.

>health
kek. Only if you think gregor is an honest and reliable source would you say that.

NONDAIRY YOGURT ALTERNATIVE?!?!?!?!!??!!?!?

>>41762891
Honestly there is no moral argument to be made.
If a vegan does believe in human exceptionalism then other animals should not get treated differently than how every other animal treats others. Why the distinction of plants too?

If a vegan does happen to believe in human exceptionalism then animals are no more deserving of intrinsic rights than flora currently get. The only moral argument should be against individual animal torture for the sake of pleasure cause that can lead to sociopathy or is a sign of it.

even if the emissions aren't the biggest contributor of all, they are still a major contributor. and one thing you guys aren't considering is that unlike virtually all other sectors it is completely unnecessary

>>41763126
>unlike virtually all other sectors it is completely unnecessary
>while wasting electricity using a computer to shitpost of 4chan

my sides

>>41763109
no known plant possesses sentience, thus suffering is not a factor. that is the difference. and yet veganism reduces plant "suffering" too by eliminating the need for livestock feed.

>>41763089
Try unsweetened coconut alternatives with added probiotic cultures, I've found those to be the best.

>>41761936
you ever think that people make a lifestyle choice for personal reasons?

>>41763171
>suffering is not a factor
prove that suffering is not just empathy.

I'll wait for you to know the unknowable.

This thread is fucking awful, and this is coming from a vegetarian, and it is also (mainly) not the fault of the meat defenders ITT. What the fuck would I need infographics on why veganism/vegetarianism is superior in a thread for vegans? 90% of this thread is not advice on how to stay healthy which it should be, but an attempt to shit on meat eaters and start a flame war.

>>41763217
>suffering is not just empathy

if something is sentient enough to possess a will to live, then it will suffer if you try to take its life and should therefore not be killed without necessity

>>41763249
>vegetarian

Seriously, I don't give a shit about your opinion. You won't eat animals but are fine with them being raped for your precious milk? Fuck off from this thread.

>>41761806
Quite frankly they'll have to adapt, and I say the same thing to coal miners in developing countries.

>>41763249
the thread is what people make of it. i don't see where a vegan incited discussion. i'd rather talk about health aspects too.

anyway just out of curiosity, what are the animal products you consume vegbro (and why if you dont mind)?

hey, not strict vegan here but adopting more vegs into my diet. US, too.
where can i buy legit olive oil? i live in the deep south so poor, + small selection of food to begin with (dont get me started on gmo'd shit being the only thing around) and i'm pretty sure i'm not buying real olive oil.

you guys know what brands are legit? what about flax seed oil too? im trying to go mediterranean

>>41763385
wish i could help, live in eu. importing is not an option i assume? maybe theres some mid.eastern shops around? surely those would have some imported stuff

>>41763466
if anyone knows a brand thats legit on amazon or anything?
that would help a ton
i'm pretty sure i can't get anything good here locally (i don't even think i can get farmers market food/shit that's not crappy bottom barrel foodstore junk atm) so i've accepted i'll probably need to buy it online.
i just don't know what brands are real and was wondering fi anyone who was already experienced knew?

>>41763171
Brazil is laughing behind every vegans back, considering what they are doing to plant more soy.
But hell, as long as it's vegan it's all good.

>>41763584
soy grown in south america is generally used for livestock feed m8

>>41761479
n

>>41762550
Yup, just started a batch of fermented garlic today and finishing skyr made yesterday. Gotta do kombucha too :)

>>41762603
like, totally ugh, can you like even BELIEVE that this meat-eating fucktard literally doesn't know, like when you become a veganati, like your own grocery store is a VIP section in whole foods. oh my god

>>41762621
vegans should also ask themselves why they struggle to place themselves in a natural conception of the world, i.e., homo sapiens is an omnivorous great ape

>>41763767
Nope. It's grown for oil, and the byproduct from that is used as feed instead of being wastefully thrown away to rot.

>>41762309
Clarence is on gear, you fucking mongoloid.

>>41761427
>artificial insemination=rape
>.

>>41761531

>what are minimum recommendations

>>41762335

There was also a kid who was on paleo and ended up dying.
Stop cherrypicking.

>>41762934

Actually it's the opposite, the ones still arguing AGAINST veganism have no arguments, just feefees and "OMG I CAN'T EVEN, VEGANS ARE SO ANNOYING"

why are vegans so fucking annoying?

Like why are they so bothered that we eat animals.

>>41761454
diabetes is not related only to what you eat u uneducated non medfaggot. It depends on how much you weigh, for how long, and what you eat.

eggs are not a factor for diabetes. what the fuck. maga

>>41764577

because they're angry and bitchy all the time. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE UNDERNOURISHED.

>>41761863

>implying the holocaust wasn't a hoax to get germany to submit to american and soviet occupation

>>41761869

>let's ration the country's food supply like a concentration camp or a north korean gulag to solve the obesity problem

>>41764577
>why are people so fucking annoying?
>Like why are they so bothered that we cannibals eat humans?

Show me the difference between these two statements without being edgy.

>>41766268
Eating human meat is no where no the same as eating beef/chicken, etc.

http://scienceline.org/2008/01/ask-stern-cannibal/

>>41766344
I meant it in the sense of morality, not about health.

>>41766268
mad cow disease came about because we fed cows to cows.

same thing applies to humans. dont eat your bro, bro.

>>41766359
is it morally wrong if a chimpanzee eats another animal? Humans evolved to our current state eating meat. I think that it is just as morally wrong for us to eat animals as it is for other animals to eat other animals.

I will admit we are more evolved to the point where we don't have to eat meat, but it doesn't make it morally wrong to do so. I personally value the life of a single human over the value of every animals life combined.

>>41766404
Moral agency my dude. The chimp (or any other animal) doesn't know any better and is just following his instincts. Way different than you just going to the store and buying the pre packaged meat/ milk/ whatever and making a conscious decision to do so.

I also value human life more than an animal's life, but not enough where I would put a single human over every single animal. I hope you're exaggerating.

>>41764469
What else would you call it? If a human female was forcible artificially inseminated against her will, we'd call that rape.

>>41761233
How do you manage a no carb diet as a vegan?

>>41767629
We'd call it rape if it happened to a human male, too. We don't call it rape when it happens to animals because they're animals.

>>41767678
That's still not a reason, friendo. You essentially just said "because I say so" as a response.

In any case, you're arguing semantics and ignoring the main point that they're forcibly inseminated against their will.

>>41761479
Fuck

Most of you guys aren't vegans -_-

Please stop pretending to be vegans; heck even I'm not a vegan.

>>41768292
Did you just assume my eating habits, shitlord?

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>>41761935
>Hunting it down by tracking it, running it down, wrestling it to the ground, slitting its throat, digging my fist into its chest, pulling out its heart and eating it, the adrenaline of it all stimulating my muscle growth as I devour its protein rich flesh to feed my muscles to be faster, stronger, more powerful for tomorrow's hunt. Nothing you'd understand being a sally sitting around singing kumbaya watching your flowers grow.

>>41761479
FUCK YOU

>>41768360
kek

this is exactly the kind of person to say this

>>41763255
Idk if you ever raised cows, but the reason they are "raped" is that the bull hurts the cow when they try and mate. Like the cow could die.

>>41761935
Is this bait or are you just a giant faggot

>>41761479
motherfucker