/owg/ - Olympic Weightlifting General

Let's bring /owg/ back to its glory guys, pls

making great gains on a vegan diet now. Not gonna go back.

t. 78kg BW 112 sn/135 cj

>>41693528
Don't. I'm on a plant based diet too, and making the same gains as before. On the plus side i feel like i have more energy due to more carbs.

What is /owg/'s opinion on brush vs bang style? My coach is a bit nazi about the brush style (bar almost sliding along thighs and not making a contact sound at all or it's just a delicate sound). Really something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLiyvZOfA-s&t=154s

I feel like i have more control of the bar this way, but i also feel like it robs some power away because you use hips to a less extent

Then again with more bang i feel like the bar swings away easier, but i'm more snappy and get the bar higher, something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muoqJ6FzpUk&t=35s

thoughts?

>>41693646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7KoIzCxHQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nKyDcppV0

technique is the reason why vardank is so stronk

try pulling the bar in as soon as it leaves the floor and just focus on pushing with the legs and staying over the bar should result in a strong but smooth finish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtovZkmTjQk

>>41693720
Dunno not the best cue for me atleast. That way it's eays to pull the bar too much in to the hips, causing it to loop away when extending

>>41693777
do no contact muscle snatch, you're still over exaggerating the hip movement if pulling the bar in causes it to go out lmao

beginner often forget that you still act on the bar even when it leaves the hips


matter of fact if your problem is looping try to minimize contact at the moment then slowly reintroduce it once you get good at muscle snatch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Kp0w5f2Nc

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRCnfRLFcHJ/?taken-by=norikvardanian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV-0lNMUduA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSea6iyreM

on the last clip watch at around :50 how he's not emphasizing the hips coming through and focusing more on extending the legs and elbows up to finish

>>41693958
But i'm not a beginner tho, i'd call myself something like early intermediate

Sn 92
C&J 110
Fs 127.5
Bw 81

I have no problem keeping the bar close if i extend and drive with quads mostly, but i really miss the power that comes with a little more hip "smash"

Great links and great discussion tho

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Aryamnov back
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCopwiEzGid193hLUB0nAsDg/videos

>>41694010
U R BEGINNER THO

U R VERY BEGINNER THO

U DONT WANT TO CHANGE TEKNIK DONT ASK 4 IT OK?

the extra "power" you get from hip smash is making you inefficient in the long run

BUT CLARNACE CAN SMATCH AS 18I45 KG HEHE ME 2

>>41694027
he's not back he's trying to cash in like the rest of retired soviet lifters that's trying get into youtube like klokov

>>41693958

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSea6iyreM
But It looks like Lasha is swinging the bar away just a bit, it's nothing big but it gives him a bit more fast turnover

>>41694057
he has only 350 followers and no english subtitles
also
>he's trying to cash in like the rest of retired soviet lifters that's trying get into youtube like klokov
nothing bad or wrong

>>41694068
watch as they progress through the weights, the bar swings less and less

he also wears a belt and has a big belly of course the bar wont come as straight as vardanian's

>>41694075
so did torokhtiy and lapikov and berestov even klokoff when they first started. more money means they can start to afford to hire a guy for subs and editing

>>41694068
>it's nothing big but it gives him a bit more fast turnover

having the bar swing does not give you a faster turnover lmao

>>41694041
I want to discuss teknik, not change it overnight

>>41694117
watch as they progress through the weight
Well it tends to be like that when it gets heavier. But these guys are fucking tanks, they could just reverse curl the bar up if they really wanted. But they just make it look easy snatching for keks

>>41694206
But it does. Like Greg Everett said:
>Banging the hips into the bar in any fashion will increase your speed under the bar by allowing you to change directions faster

The snappiest lifters tend to do this, use lot of hips. Try yourself.

>>41694293
>Greg Everett

is a retarded, look how many athletes are dropping from his team right now, he hasn't developed a proper lifter

i've been lifting for a long time and i can tell you banging the bar with your hips does not improve speed under the bar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodQHuO8uQU

were all friends.

So what you guys did / are going to do at the gym today?

I did

Drop snatch with jerk grip 50-60% of snatch
Power snatch from blocks (under knee) 3x3x70%
fence jumps
Back squat 6RM

>>41695571
how's jon doing nowadays?

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>>41694329
I NEED TO FIND A DISCIPLINE THAT UNITES OLY LIFTING AND GYMNASTICS, ATLEAST POWERLIFTING AND CALISTHENICS. IT'S BEEN YEARS! I WANT TO DO BOTH! AND NO, CROSSFIT IS SHIT.

end of rant

>>41695745
Oly lifting and gymnastics go nicely together.

>>41695784
>Oly lifting and gymnastics go nicely together.

I know, but I can't find a respectable routine

>>41695819
>routine
You need programming, not a routine

>>41695886
Still, it doesn't exist

>>41695906
Why not get a coach

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>>41695940
A coach in Olympic Gymnaslifting?

>>41695952
Oly coach
+
Gymnastics coach

Or just be a little crybaby and keep dreaming

>>41695975

Its too hard i tired it, your grip work will go to shit, and you'll feel taxed to shit. Right now im doing 90% bw training and one day weightlifting; clean+jerk, pause squat, and Romanian deadlifts. I do bench press, and cable rows 2x a week because they are a nice compliment to bw training.

>>41696424
Your programming sucks. You program too heavy to your needs.

>>41695571
jon's an obnoxious fucking noob

>>41695609
In one of his videos about a month ago he said his heart checkup wasn't good news. He didn't really elaborate on specifics but he talked about how he doesn't know how much longer he'll be around. Sad to see him have to deal with that shit.

I'm a noob still learning the movements but when I clean it feels like I'm landing on my toes and my balance is shitty. Any tips?

>>41698308
Slow pulls concentrate on keeping the balance on your whole foot

>>41695975
Mr. Moneybags over here.

>>41697502
>Implying old Donny/Jon/Spencer calstrength videos aren't maximum comfy

75 kg bw
150 FS
120 clean
100 jerk
Just

>>41698543
Nofap pls go. Jerk more.

>>41698543
80 bw

140 fs
110 clean
126 jerk from the front, 135 from the back

benis

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>105kg max clean and jerk
>106kg max 3RM power clean from knee

explain this

>>41696424
Go for training blocks you stupid fuck. Do gymnastic shit for a month, and take a month off and focus on Oly lifting, rinse and repeat.

>>41699318
ur shit

>>41699318
tell us your fs max

let me guess:
>120kg
time to do your squats brah

Man, I feel week. How are your guys numbers so high?
>45kg snatch
>70kg clean
>55kg jerk

All while having a 140kg backsquat.
I need a coach 2bh

>>41699644
I'm also shit. 80 kg clean, 80 kg jerk. 125 kg back squat, 100 kg front squat. 75 kg BW. I also don't snatch.

>>41699396

nahhh fuck that noise, it would take too long to git good at either.


>>41696462

screw it, im done worrying about both. If i ever want to do oly again i got that one day to help me keep the groove intact.

>>41699560
155 FS, 185 BS u fucin turd

Ex-PLer here

>>41693720
oh man that snatch is buttery smooth

>>41698230
What happened to him?

>>41699816
>Ex-PLer here

So you spent years training how to move like a fat slug and now you wonder why you suck at explosive movements?

>>41699671
your ratios aren't so bad. gain some weight and double your back squat.

>>41700081
Genetic heart defect. Something's weird with the electrical firing of his heart, which can cause the upper and lower chambers to beat out of rhythm, combined with his heart being structurally abnormal. This caused him to suffer cardiac arrest last year. He was apparently technically dead for like 20 minutes. Now he has a defibrillator implanted in his side.

>>41700236

Dangers of steroids.

>>41700298
his dad had the same thing

he probably would have it even if he didnt roid

>>41700323

sheeeet, what a bummer.

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>>41700105
it's not my fault noone introduced me to it

>>41700124
How to git gud at squats. 3x5 only got me to 105 before I plateaued hard. I did a AMRAP program with back off sets that took me to 125 before another plateau. Now I've deloaded back to 100 and I'm planning on doing 5x5 -> 3x5 and seeing how far that gets me.

Looking to improve my front rack position, shit sucks and my wrist hurts during it.

What sort of warm ups and exercises do you do for mobility prior to your workout?

>>41700767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9O6Wj44JZ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtECcmJdiI

aramnau shows the same thing around 7:16

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>>41700773
>haha look how much of a whore I am! haha my butt is hanging out of my whore singlet at a fucking WL comp!

I hate women

Having trouble being able to bring up my arms enough for the front rack position. My coach says it's due to thoracic tightness, do you guys do any stretches for that specifically? What works for you?

>>41700794
Thanks anon.
Would wrist wraps help keep my wrist from hurting too?

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>>41700827
doesn't your coach not have any

if not why is he your coach?

>>41700840

He taught me one, I was just curious what all you guys do.

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>>41700825

>>41700851
watch the videos about front rack i just posted

you can also practice your cleans with straps to warm up. just go v light if u r weak shits

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>>41700853
can women for like

5 seconds

at anything

not be decrepit whores

where did it all go wrong

>>41700868
it's how they're wired

>>41700767
Stretching and shoulder mobility. Your wrist pain is most likely not even wrist pain. If your shoulders lack the mobility for the front rack position, your forearms stretch to make it work, which causes pain in your forearm tendons that you feel near the wrist. It's not the wrist at all.

Also rolling your forearms and just above the elbow with a lacrosse ball can help.

>>41700912
so about that Sharia Law...

>>41700773
>>41700853
women were a mistake

>>41700961
lmao. Good thing I dislike muslims too

>>41700868
Maybe if you curbed your autism a little you could have a oly qt of your own

>>41700992
maybe, but what's the point if they're all bland and uninteresting? all you have to do is look at Mattie Roger's social media feeds. she's a generic cunt

>>41701006
Don't you dare lump in my pretty Latvian princess Rebeka Koha with that Stacey, Mattie

>>41701048
i hate to break it to you lad, but she's most likely the same. here she is with problem glass and pink hair

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUhW8lzBEMi/?taken-by=rebeka_koha&hl=en

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>>41701081
STOP TALKING POORLY ABOUT REBEKA

>>41701096
sorry senpai, but you have to remain a glass half full person

>>41701096
rebeka is succing ritvar's tiny teenage stronk penis

>>41701160
there is no way, that nigga looks like ass

>>41701175
so they're perfect for each other

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>>41701210
don't respond to this trip ever again

secondly, check under your bed tonight at exactly 3:42 AM

I'll be waiting

>>41701220
r u threatening me, cause i will sue

>>41700619
But it is :^)

>>41699644
You started less than a year ago and came from powerlifting, right?

Practice the lifts and get better at moving. Hang cleans, hang snatches, drop snatches, drop jerks

>>41700700
More sets. You've tried 5x5. Now try 8x5. Only takes like ten minutes more and doesn't gimp the rest of your programming too hard.

>>41701371
I started two years ago. But spent my time really inefficently.
>brosplit for 6 months
>powerlifting for a year
>didn't do the routine correctly and only got half as strong
>and really fat
>olympic weightlifting mixed in with powerlifting for 6 months while cutting
More or less like this. I also had always shown an interest for olympic weightlifting during my powerlifting phase. But only recently decided to train it

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join the discord lads
https://discord.gg/qDDnc6B

So whenever I try to clean heavy, it just feels so slow coming off the floor that I panic and fuck the whole thing up. How do I get over this?

>>41694329
pretty fun video

>>41701476
you certainly dont get over it by failing over and over trying to be all bulgarian max out everyday but u r american with no proper base

stick to low-medium percentages then max out/compete every once in a while to check progress

maxing out and trying to go heavier the day before is how i fucked up my wrists and lots of other injuries that could have been avoided if i had a decent coach who actually cares instead of just FOLLOW MY PROGRAM I KNOW ALL ABOUT IT BECAUSE I USE TO TRAIN UNDER FOREIGN COACHES EVEN THO I DIDNT UNDERSTAND MOST OF WHERE THEY COME FROM

he was a shit lifter himself


yeah just lift lighter and focus on technique and slowly gain confidence, this sport actually takes years and years to get good at. no point in rushing trust me man

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn7yk-vdAD8
>you will never marry a weightlifting qt3.14 while surrounded by your world champion and olympic gold medalist best friends
feels

>>41701517
>tfw no Bulgarian mentality

>>41701517
this is good advice

I used to try and max every day and I would get injured or burnt out frequently. I have realized now that training smarter produces better results than training harder.

Think of yourself running a race. While you're sprinting with maximum effort towards the finish line, your hamstring tears, and you end up hobbling, unable to continue. Alternatively you could have just jogged the whole way and ended up actually finishing.

This is an imperfect metaphor, but the general point is apropos. Weightlifting is like that race. You're not competing against anyone else but yourself - unless you choose to enter competitions, and even then you're still competing with yourself at the end of the day. You can try and finish as fast as possible, or you can take your time. The result will be the same, the only difference is when.

What you want to accomplish in the sport will probably change over time as well. When I first started lifting, I wanted to be able to dunk a basketball. I achieved that, and then got more into Weightlifting itself, so I wanted to able to snatch bw. Well, once I did, I wanted a 300kg total. Eventually my goal was to out-lift every woman in the world. I still haven't beaten Tatiana, and I still believe that I might someday, but now I am more focused on remaining injury free than anything else.

It is better to be consistent over a long period of time than to be overly intense for a short period of time. I would even extend that advice to many areas of life.

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>>41700971
>>41700868
>>41700825
>how dare they be sexually attractive! how dare they dress in a way that highlights their beauty!
you guys are fucking losers.

>>41700853

>>41700773
hngggg...that ass jiggle on the jerk...omfgggg

>>41700298
>genetic heart defect
>dangers of steroids
keke

>>41698361
I pay 80$ a year for training in oly gym, having a coach and free programming

>>41694293
>increase your speed under the bar
yes, it's great to have horizontal speed when trying to get under the bar.
Are you for real?

What tape do you use for your thumbs?

Any suggestions or drills to improve my jerk? No good video of it, so obviously hard to help, mainly looking for general pointers and drills, or is jerks + jerks off blocks pretty much it?

I seem to have trouble getting that real "pop" off the chest. I'm quite bad at utilizing my strength and explosiveness, should be able to jerk a lot more and it's only 10kg ahead of my snatch.

It's a bit hit and miss, when I get it right the bar almost flies up and I have to catch it in a recoil, but when I fail I probably use my arms/shoulders too much/too early. On heavier weights when I don't get it as high my arms lock out a bit bent.

I used to pop it up a bit forward and dive down under it, but it feels a bit better when I really focus on keeping shoulders up the whole dip, down and up.

>>41703127
you basically answered your own question. you have trouble with timing and with the technique of the lift.

it's an athletic lift, and your body has to feel the weight and move with it properly. when you do it right, the bar should just fly up.

watch a slow-mo of the clean and jerk and on the jerk the athlete will be fully extended under the bar with no arm or shoulder movement until after the bar has fully left the body. the jerk is a leg lift primarily, you use your arms to push yourself under the bar.

Rahimov's 214 is a good example of this:
>http://www.allthingsgym.com/nijat-rahimov-214kg-clean-jerk-world-record-2016-olympic-games/

some general pointers I would give:
dip straight, but not too far down
dip smoothly (i.e. keeping the bar in contact with your body, and such that you don't get driven down by the weight, when you go too fast you can lose this contact and you will get driven down by the bar on heavy weights)
drive up explosively, almost as if you were jumping
drive straight
use your arms to push yourself under the bar, not to drive the bar up

>>41702818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muoqJ6FzpUk&t=35s

Clarence is a great example. Due to your body angle it's easier to turnover. You just get more power to the bar and it's faster to get under when the bar is moving fast

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Claim your olyfu lads

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>>41704974
>Buy her candy
>Tell her how beautiful and strong she is
>Like all her pics on fb and comment on every pic in instagram
>Take her out to a date
>Night ends at her place
>Start to make out
>Immediately turn her around and go savage on her butt
>Push her down with all your weight so she can't resist
>Whisper to her ear:
>"I wish you were Lu"

>>41702818
It's not about vertical or horizontal speed. It's about accelerating the bar during the second pull and activating the reverse stretch shortening cycle to snap your body back under.

The snatch is a silly movement.

>>41705957
Stick to your curls then

>>41700298
Steroids didn't cause it but they definitely didn't help

>>41705699
You don't snap under the bar. The way you describe it makes the movement sound passive once it leaves the hips which is why you think banging helps cause your an idiot

There is not one moment where you are passive once the bar is moving

>>41707493
No, you just think that because you don't understand stretch shortening. The hip flexor reverse stretch reflex shortening cycle is the impetus for driving yourself under the bar during the third pull. It is not passive. Learning to feel and use the stretch reflex during the third pull is the best way to develop speed under the bar. Also the banging vs brushing debate has been doing on for decades now with no conclusion, it's pointless.

>>41707640
You're not wanted here, mister.

>>41707640
t. american "weightlifter"

>>41697502
How can you call someone who's snatched 175 in training and made multiple pan am teams a noob?

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>>41708083
>pan am teams
there you go, easy.

>>41708147
Lets see your 175 snatch big guy

>>41708147
Better than your under BW snatching ass will ever achieve

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>>41708352
>>41708804
next thing you'll say Hitler was a great strategist because I never commanded three army groups to attack Russia.
Sad!

>>41709440
can you spell

N O N S E Q U I T U R

with me?

>>41709625
No sorry everytime I try typing it I end up with "analogy" whatever that is.

>>41707640
did you just read catalyst book or watched a couple of calstrength vids lmao

you snatch 91 ffs

So I think I am at that weird "needs to move more weight" stage. I keep catching the bar fairly high in both my clean and snatch. I have had a few people tell me one I start getting heavier weights it will help me learn to get faster under the bar.

Are their any tips that I can use to help expedite the process or is it just practice with heavy weight? One guy told me to "pause" during my 2nd and third pull so my body stretches out more fully then snap under.

I can't really afford a coach but I have been told my form is OK for self taught off the information provided in these threads.


You guys have been incredibly helpful thus far and any advice is appreciated.

P.S. Julia is best German weightlifting fu

>>41710390
Tall snatches and tall cleans will help you to receive the weight in the bottom instead of relying on a high catch. Also drop snatches.

>>41710508
Thank you

I'll look those up once I get home from my wage cuck job.


I honestly just need to get stronger at this point.

>>41710390
Do what >>41710508 said to practice speed under the bar. Remember though you don't want to bomb under as fast as you can and have the weight crash down on you. Part of the skill is learning how to meet the bar at the appropriate height. Another thing that may help is riding cleans down to a full squat even if you catch them high.

>>41710582
Yeah I already ride them down no matter what. People tell me I'm doing ok it's just a practice and getting out of baby weights. I did try to race the bar a few times and it was not pretty.


Thanks for all the help so far

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she is getting v good, i used to hate her cause she kept switching coaches like a ho but she's better now

>>41700837
myself, they helped for a while. however, all they were really doing was making it so that I could train through the pain, they weren't actually preventing anything. So I wound up taking like, three months off to heal my wrists up, and just restarted without wraps. Odds are there's not anything seriously wrong with your wrists, and your front rack position is shit, or your wrist mobility is shit

>tfw slow

>>41712842
>tfw weak
My squats were shit when powerlifting, they're still weak on weightlifting.

>>41712851
Do more squats

>>41712858
Well, yes. How should I go about it when I can only lift MTTF?

>>41712851
do core exercising 4 very stronk

>>41712842
>>41712851
>tfw weak and slow

>>41712874
Paused front squats will hit your legs and destroy your core

>>41712914
it is not enough, having dedicated core exercising will make u so very strong because u realise wow i have other core muscles i didnt no before wow

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BANG THE BAR BRO WAT R U DOING IS NOT GO VERY FAST QUICK TURNOVER?

How do I get the bar to make that satisfying sound when it hits my legs?

>>41713025
use eleiko or equivalent dhs/hercules etc.

comp bars spin freely and rattles even with the softest contact

banging it with your hips just for the sake of hearing the sound is not good man

>>41700700
Bulgarian. Also eat more

>>41700767
>>41700916
I agree that wrist mobility is probably not the limiting factor. Also try dead hangs (like from a pull up bar) with your hands touching and head behind them to test/improve lat flexibility.

>>41700868
>girl participating in the sport she enjoys
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHOOOOOORE
what dude

fucking control your autism

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>>41713245
>xd look at me dress provocatively for no reason other than to flaunt the fact that I am nothing but a walking vagina who seeks constant attention

kys beta orbiter

>>41702361
what shithole 3rd world country do you live in?

>>41705125
pretty good post

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>>41710582
>>41710649
>tfw when your personal best was a complete fluke because you raced the bar and everything connected perfectly

ow mine knees :c

>>41713498
Not shithole at all, it's just that there are lots of coaches here who do it mostly for the sport. It's pretty much charity. It's not like any of them have athletes who made it to the olympics, but i don't really need a coach like that lol

>>41713001
wow dude he gets away with that because weak fgt is using only 70kg lol

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>>41713269
>dress provocatively
>flaunt

dude you have issues. soviet comp suits are also as little fabric as possible, because people who actually lift like the freeing feeling

OWL looks so fun, but my physio/coach advises against it since I'm 6'4" / 194cm (prolly because Type II muscle fibres).

What do?

>>41716065
do what you can

>>41716065
>lifting weights is bad because of how tall you are
what

>>41716065
>but my physio/coach advises against it since I'm 6'4" / 194cm (prolly because Type II muscle fibres).

get a new coach

what the fuck man, you're not looking to set a world record so why would you care that much about body proportions?

>>41716069
So just say "fu coach" and lift weights?

>>41716071
Long and lean muscles tend to do better in endurance sports, but just as >>41716077 says, I'm not setting world records so w/e I guess.

I'll buy some adipowers then.

>>41716093
so?
unless there is a very serious reason for why you shouldn't do something you shouldn't let small things get in the way of you doing what you want; this applies to everything in life

How long should a beginner take learning the lifts before attempting to max out?

What's a good starting point for somebody floating between 90 - 100kg in terms of snatch/C&J weight?

>>41716552
>Well i had been lifting for a month when my coach made me max out. It helps coach to write a program with reasonable % on every lift

>What's a good starting point for somebody floating between 90 - 100kg in terms of snatch/C&J weight?
Doesn't and should not matter. Just focus on tech and explosiveness.

>>41716552

>How long should a beginner take learning the lifts before attempting to max out?
the only problem about maxing is that it blows a hole in your programming. If you feel like maxing and don't mind that hole, go ahead and max on day one.

>What's a good starting point for somebody floating between 90 - 100kg in terms of snatch/C&J weight?
A good starting point would be somewhere between 0 and the world record. You should probably start where you are right now.

>>41701428
Jugglife podcast did a show about training for supertotal (PL+WL) where they talked about how much more practice you need for WL and how much it carries over. Give it a listen when you have a chance.

I just don't understand how to jerk. Whenever I go above 60kg I feel like I'm pushing like hell with my arms and I don't understand how it's supposed to be a mainly lower body lift.

When I do a clean and I do it half way decently, I at least sometimes get that feeling like everything coordinates and the bar is pulled up way faster than I thought, so I know I'm doing it somewhat correctly, but with the jerk I just feel like a slug.]

I can comfortably OHP 62kg for sets of 5, but I can barely jerk 80 kg. What do?

So i was doing cleans from the blocks recently at around 90%+ and the the bar speed felt horrendously slow.
I feel like the best way to fix this is more heavy pulls? right?

>>41712872
Front squat max M
Paused back squat max T
Paused front squat squat max Th
Back squat max F

Add 5 lbs every week

You'll be strong in no time

>>41719105
Btn snatch balance. It helps me feel the movement more with legs then you just try and replicate the same feeling of pushing yourself down instead of the bar up when you jerk. Work on your split position too and make that consistent, inconsistent depth in the split leads to press outs make sure your back knee is bent and both legs are equally loaded and in a strong position to support weight

>>41719247
Thanks, I'll try that

>>41719125
why are you doing 90%+ block cleans? what's your program like

maybe you're just fatigued

getting stronger for sure will make it feel lighter obviously but how you go about getting stronger depends on your weakness might be technique might be just plain strength idk do you have coach

>post a bunch of informative and helpful stuff
>no ones says thanks
>half the autists arguing about their waifus
>other half are arguing about technique when they don't even snatch 100kg

>>41719499
i was just pissing about between training blocks since I'll be away for a couple of weeks and wanted to try something different to see how it felt.
was just shocked by how slow it looked/felt

>>41695571
dat gyno

https://discord.gg/HAD5G
join if you lift

>>41720690
shut the fuck up attentionwhore

>>41719200
What's max even supposed to mean. Max what? 1rm?

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BUMP THE BAR BRO U R SLOW LOL

>>41723635
it means you take max aita and squat him everyday idiot

>>41723778
C-can it be Max Lang? no homo

This is the deadest thread in all of history

>tfw put all my skill points into clean and none into jerk

First time I've discovered Mart Seim. What a fucking beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ICpp6nXNS8

What's the purpose of doing reverse curls here? Is it to get a bit more arm power during the second pull of the clean?

>>41724562
no he explains it if you actually watched the video

he injured his wrists and doing those helps him feel good

>>41724562
>Strict pressing 130 kg like it's nothing

fuark

>>41724591

Is that the only reason he does it or is it something that can improve the clean somehow?

>>41724622

Yeah, dude's a beast. Squats 400kg too.

>>41724301
>snatch is higher than my jerk
my gym doesn't have those things to practice jerks
And they don't allow for dropping weights. So I skip doing jerks entirely until I move to a new city

>>41724629
just do panda pulls, doing reverse curls like he's doing doesn't teach you timing which is the most important part at that stage of the clean. it's not about strength at that point since most of it is already done by the legs at that point

>>41724643
your "gym" you mean

>>41724669
Alright cool. Thanks for the reply anon

>>41724671
its more of a powerlifting gym. Only reason I'm there is $220 for a year is really good in the city

How do I get over the feeling of picking up a heavy clean and thinking "this is so slow this is going to murder me"

>>41716093
>Long and lean muscles tend to do better in endurance sports

Broscience. How much do you weigh? Your height on its own says nothing about your muscle type, just look at strongmen

>Visiting another town for interviews
>One guy I'm trying to get an interview from wants me to go hiking with him tomorrow morning
>Only have boots and my oly shoes

Fuck what do I do

>>41724938
he's a faggot trying to fuck u in the ass while your out in the woods
beware

>>41724958
But bro I need a job

>>41724965
give im a brojob bro

>>41716552
Since the other posters seem to have given shit responses, I'll offer my thoughts.

>How long should a beginner take learning the lifts before attempting to max out?
You should only max out in the sense that you increase the weight until technique begins to deteriorate. As a beginner, this may not be much more than your working weight and that's fine.

>What's a good starting point for somebody floating between 90 - 100kg in terms of snatch/C&J weight?
I don't think I understand the question. I think everyone started with an empty bar.

>>41719105
Try power jerking. It's a simpler movement that let's you focus on leg drive and not worry about footwork.

>>41724991
T B H would recommend power jerk to anyone just doing oly lifts for fun without a coach

>>41724591
Does this guy just have shit teknik? He squats like 100kg more than his competitors

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>tfw finally learning to use my legs to lift the bar and not flail my arms about like a spastic
>tfw getting into the front rack position is getting easier
>tfw I can see my traps now

It's all coming together friends

to chingchong dear deliuge

why do you insist on having your affletes train full time? can't you make a program that follows what you learned in china but make it more accessible for western schedule

realistically what are you gonna do with all the knowledge you have if there's very few people able to accommodate the full time training schedule?

>>41725180
is that her house, how are her parents able to send her to uni and have a room by herself when they live in a shack?

>>41724803
This

>>41723748
lol what a shitter, that's only 150kg

>>41724803
>>41725777
you don't.

even now, after years of lifting, when I am going for a true max I get a little scared.

Klokov in an interview said he had to successfully snatch balance 205 in order to be allowed to attempt 200 snatch the next week, and that he was scared going into both lifts, but he did them because it would be 6 months before he could attempt such weights again.

>>41725019
he has better technique than you will ever have.

>>41725223
his programs are based on what he did in china with the team, of course they're gonna be full time retard

>hurr durr but I wanna train 30mins twice a week

enjoy your nogains

>>41724983
>other posters seem to have given shit responses

>>How long should I take before maxing
>doesn't answer the question

>>What's a good starting point
>doesn't even understand the question

Yeah bro thanks for your contribution

>>41725003
>power jerk
>fun
pick one, and make sure it's not the one on top.

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>>41720690
go to reddit if you want to farm upvotes.

>>41723748
Stop posting steroid users anon. Makes us look bad

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>>41727811
sauvage

>>41727541
Shut the fuck up u r weak like deluge I didn't ask u

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>>41728116
I like this shitpost, mind if I save it?

No wonder this general fucking died. It's full of newfags and dyels omg le mart seim!!! Omg le meme chinese!!!

Are there any trips here or anyone who is decent at the lifts it's kinda hard to trust all anons.

If I can not get a coach right now, who is the best source of information for learning the lifts? JTS? People say Everett is a meme.

Due to low ceiling whilst living back at home and no nearby gyms where I can practice, I may only be able to do cleans and perhaps snatches but cleans are a safer option and wouldn't fuck up my technique.

How would you program for improving my clean and getting a big squat? (Weak squat too 85kg 5rm at 73kg bw) something like dan Johns thing?

>>41728326
>Weak squat too 85kg 5rm at 73kg bw
if your coach drought is temporary just get stronger for now.

>>41728357
I can't get a coach for a few months because I'm poor right now but I was thinking of just recording myself every time and using plebbit or here just for cleans.

I wonder if cleans and just 3x5 squats every session with some pressing will work like Dan Johns thing?

>>41728390
>I wonder if cleans and just 3x5 squats every session with some pressing will work
yeah if it's just for a few months that should be fine. Just accept that you won't develop good technique in that time, and aim for avoiding blunders.
The time I trained in a gym where dropping weights wasn't allowed (mostly ruling out snatch and jerk) I just did a lot of cleans and push presses for reps and consistency, coupled with a ton of strength work, which saved a lot of time later on.
You'll have to do those things eventually so might as well do them now.

Compare it to powerlifters that run dedicated squat cycles and stop benching for two months: It doesn't destroy their bench, and squat goes up.
So don't worry about what you can't do right now, and focus on doing what you are doing well.

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>there are >"([Oly lifters])" in this thread that cant even front squat 3pl8s

Why even make this thread lol

>>41728525

>pounds pls go

unless you mean 170kg

>>41728562
I meant 140kg, lowering the standards for you fags.

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Who has the stretching and flexibility torrents around here?

>>41728525
Who cares what you front squat. You could snatch 110kg or 60kg with a 140FS, so 140FS means nothing alone

Daily reminder that if you can't get power to your jerks, then you don't really know how to clean or snatch either. The drive is the same in every of these lifts.

>>41728963
holy

tips on eliminating dizzyness in the racked posistion?

>>41729074
Don't press the bar against your arteries. It should rest comfortably on the rack position.

>>41718731
who dis?

Does anyone have a weightlifting strength program without much of the classical lifts?

>>41729173
What's the point

>>41729173
LSUS

>>41729161
Mary peck

She's dating her coach who looks like a caveman and has retarded programming

>>41730125
lol didn't realize they were dating.

>inb4 they break up and she never does a low bar squat again

Why is Eleiko shit so damn expensive?

>>41729230
i just want a break from the classic movements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=202R_kvv9ts
>/owg/ just got blown the fuck out by a fat powerlifter

>>41730549
Because it's got "Eleiko" printed on.

>>41731220
Tsihihi.. Just look how far the bar loops on the second/third pull.

>>41731220
wut

>>41729266
>>41729173

I'm running LSUS right now

your technique will actually probably degrade some from lack of classical lifts

its also dreadful but thats a side point

What are my chances of breaking a record if I have had shoulder surgery and probably cannot snatch and have only lifted for a year

>>41731892
>tripping in /owg/ when u can't snatch 100kg
>mfw

>>41731984
your chances of breaking PRs are really high, best of luck bud

>>41732007
No I meant world records

>>41732128
I guarantee that if you work hard you will have a good chance at breaking PRs. Best of luck.

>>41732128
just do SS for 6 months and browse /fit/ and you'll have world records in PR threads

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>>41732232
>>41732255
What are my chances with these?

Is 2022 Olympic games mine?

>>41732277
Yeah bro u lifting in the snow Olympics breh they don't have wl records so you can break them with your shoulder r tatded

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>>41711531
>tfw no nordic qt3.14 wl gf ;((

>>41725223
Actually
I offer 5 day and 4 day programs to my paying clients based off the periozation schemes I learned in China. I've learned to become more flexible with my programming over time but when I first started I was only writing full time programs. The people I coach for free follow full time programs because I expect them to medal and be successful athletes, not hobbyists.

>>41732699
pls gib decent cookiecutter routine for beginner

>>41695819

Do you need a routine for everything in your life? Are you literally autistic?

Just do some oly lifting and some gymnastics. You'll never be ELITE at either anyway since you obviously can't decide.

>>41732822
There are better ones online desu
My programs are all individualized