At what level of fitness do normies start to respect you?

>>41690837
1/2/3/4 pl8

i'm a skeletor and i've been told i look like i'm in great shape

>gyno
>emotional fag lyrics
Drake has high levels of estrogen

>>41690837
A small amount of muscle and visible abs.

>>41690863
This desu. Hit 1/2/3/4 then be lean and you're a God amongst men

>>41692408

Makes me laugh how no one here has any idea what gyno is

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>SHOWS OFF RIPPED OFF BODY

>>41690863
so basically lift seriously for at least 6 months?

>>41692408
The fuck your talking about. Dude has good chest development. No signs of gyno

I hit 1/2/3/4 and im still a fatass, but my coworkers all talk about how swole i am. Once my cut is done I'll be revered as a god

He's got some nice chest, we may have our ideal bodies but in fact he does look good.
It actually reminds me of arnie's genetics, insertions

I'm just starting lifting, what is 1/2/3/4? Is it plates for each main lift?
Also are you guys pretty much saying if you hit this you're guaranteed to be pretty big, at least noticeable for normies?

>>41690837
If your physique appears even slightly trained people will think you look big. The bigger you get the smaller everyone you looked up to looks. Become the person other people look up to and you'll get respect.

>>41692864
You might, but do not have to be big when you hit it.
Also it won't take you half of a year so just focus on lifting, not reading this bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yllt9fvAB-A

>>41692864
1 plate OHP
2 plate bench
3 plate squat
4 plate necromancy
You'll be big by normie standards usually, by then you'll probably want to lift more. 2/3/4/5 is a more admirable standard IMO

>>41692897
2/3/4/5 isn't a "standard". That's peak of natural potential or even completely unachievable for most people without roids. That's not a standard at all.

>>41692911
>5 plate deadlift
>peak of natural potential
>DYEL faggots actually believe this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>41692408
Do you know what the fuck 'gyno' means boy?

>>41692911
>completely unachievable for most people without roids
For u

>>41692927
>>41692941
>225 ohp and 315 bench press
>not peak of natural potential

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>>41690837
>normies
>respect
Are you bullied a lot in school these days kiddo?

>>41692734
The problem with the traditional 1/2/3/4 is that all fatasses can achieve it quite easily.

Replace bench press for weighted pull up, if you can do weighted pull up with 2 plates, you wont be fat.

>>41692911
>3pl8 bench
Literally got that fucking around jumping from program to program every 3 months after 2 years.

>>41692959
Fucking anyone can achieve 1/2/3/4 that's fucking advanced beginner and most people achieve it within 1-2 years of lifting or less.

>>41692962
A 3plate bench is more than an advanced lift if you're not a fatass(<185lbs).

I highly, highly doubt you got it within 2 years let alone jumping from program to program.

Forgot this is /fit/ though where world records get broken monthly.

>>41692949
You might be the weakest fag to ever live my dude. I was friends with guys way back in highschool who were benching 3 pl8 easily making fun of my weak ass for only benching 275. Lift and eat more, you'll see that I'm right.

>>41692982
>1-2 years
Only if you half-ass it and do some retarded 5-day brosplit.

>>41692984
>He weighs less than 200 pounds
Manlets man, they just don't learn.

>>41692984
Kek I'm 6'4 why would I be <185 lbs lmao. Doubt it all you want, just go to a powerlifting gym and tell people that 2/3/4/5 is the peak of genetic potential and they will laugh at you.

>>41692996
At what weight?

https://symmetricstrength.com/standards#/

According to this a 315lb bench press at 185lbs and 22 y/o is nearly exceptional.

>>41693007
That's why I said 1-2 years. If you're a moron who doesn't take nutrition + training very seriously you will still get 1/2/3/4 without trying very hard as long as you're consistent.

>>41693014
I will because 225 overhead press is 20lbs off of being Elite at 185 bw.

How much do you weigh?

>>41692996
Weight and height?

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>>41692897
>tfw you're at 1/2/3/4 without even realizing it was a thing until this post

>>41693033
6'1" at 210
You can make it anon, how tall are you?

>>41693057
Nice man. How lean are you?

If you're 15% bf you got an FFMI of 23.7, 25 being considered max natty potential generally.

>>41693033
220 at 6'4 bby

>>41693067
16-17% coming down off an aggressive winter bulk. Girlfriend and I broke up so I went a bit autistic cocoon mode for a few months. Got a new grill now.

>>41693067
>25 FFMI is max natty potential
You know that was disproven ages ago right?

http://gregnuckols.com/2016/12/11/ffmi/

>>41692996
>Benching 315 in highschool

Either 1inch rom or 1gram of tren.

>>41693117
>My ego can't handle that people are stronger than me so they're either cheating or on drugs
K E K

>>41693117
I went to a large highschool that's a big recruiting ground for D1 schools. We all got tested for drugs about twice a month. Recreational and anabolic. Kids are fucking huge nowadays my man.

>>41693140
An advanced lift in highschool is either the result of steroids or top 1% genetics.

Or you guys are one of those "Oh you bench 225? Pffftt I benched 465 for reps before I hurt my shoulder!"-type fags I've met too often

>>41693160
The problem is that you've tricked yourself into believing that a 3pl8 bench is an elite lift when it's merely intermediate lol. Once you're benching 400-500+ then you're fucking elite.

>>41693160
Not them. The obvious glaring difference being that 315 pounds is substantially less than 465 for reps. Great strawman though, we can smell your insecurity through the computer. Your self-confidence is almost as weak as your 1 ROMs.

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>>41693185
Ah yes

>>41693195
Keep estatting faggots.

Not going to ask any of you "6'4 220lbs 315+ for reps" athletes to post a current body pix. I'm sure your cameras are broken.

>>41693202
Nigger the chart you've just posted even says that it's not an elite lift at 220

>>41693202
gottem

>>41693224
Post your fucking body

>>41693202
Uhm why not refer to world records instead? Pretty sure those are more worthy of being called elite? https://www.powerliftingwatch.com/index.php?q=records/raw/world

>>41692897
Is 1/2/3/4 for reps?

>>41693033
Shiiit what does 200+ lbs over elite make you? Super saiyan elite? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnmrhhs0xuk

Your definition of elite is retarded.

>>41693276
Waiting for a body pic from anyone of you guys repping 315 easily.

>>41693308
aaaawww baby got tired of being proven wrong :)

Your insecurities are delicious. I'll post mine if you post yours <3

>>41693335
I'm a DYEL, not denying that but we're talking about the multiple people in here and their claims. So post your pic.

You didn't prove anything wrong I could claim to squat over 900lbs as well.

As soon as your pecs stick out more than your belly in a vertical imaginary line and/or your shoulders fill t-shirts sleeves you're already fucking huge by normie standards

>DYEL skinnyfat by /fit/ standards
>Compliments all the time irl in and out of the gym

me

>no pictures
>All the people benching 2x bodyweight in HS for reps suddenly disappear

Interesting. Camera must've broken or something. In fact why make 2/3/4/5 the standard? Why not 3plate over head press or an 800lb deadlift? It's not like anyone ever has to post proof of their claims.

>>41690837
Amerifag here
Most normies will praise you if you can just fit into a slightly small pair of jeans. People were showering me with compliments in the very beginning when all I did was change my diet a little bit. It's really not hard to impress them considering the average American can't even run half a mile without having heart palpitations.

>>41690863
>>41692864
>>41692734
>>41692897
Yeah right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yllt9fvAB-A

You need bodybuildning routine to look impressive. 1/2/3/4 is only a strength standard not aesthetic

>>41693344
I proved you wrong several times.

You claim 3pl8 bench is elite at 181. My argument is that how could that possibly be elite by any standards when the world record in that weight class is 200+ lbs more.

You claim 25 FFMI is natty potential. I posted evidence disproving that.

You claim it's impossible for high school football players to bench 315 without drugs which is laughable when they're regularly drug tested (but they're dodging the tests right bro?).

You post USPA strength standards where it clearly says that 400 lbs bench is the starting point for being considered elite at 181. Literally disproving your own premise.

>>41693438
Post your body

>>41693371
same

the only difficult one in 2/3/4/5 is OHP.
the bench, squat and deadlift (1RM) are achievable in about 3-4 years of proper training and nutrition. in fact the squat and deadlift are achievable in about 2-2.5 years.

>>41693476
Only if you do a retarded bodybuilding.com split or some shit.

A 4plate squat is fucking sad, honestly.

>>41693467
Why is a picture of me relevant to any of those things. Stop deflecting and admit you're wrong.

>>41693506
Because there's multiple in this thread who claimed to be huge and strong but wont post their body.

Just stop fucking estatting faggots. You've never bench pressed 315lbs. Your friends in highschool haven't benches 315 either.

You fags ALWAYS claim ridiculous stats then when asked for a pic, disappear. Every. Time.

>>41692420

im 6'2 and 1/2/3/4 looks pretty dyel still desu

>>41693499
well if you're lifting for aesthetics going over 4pl8 squat is kinda overkill anyways. pants started fitting like shit on me once i got to 4pl8. i haven't squatted for 1.5 years now and buying pants is way easier.

>>41693529
Deflecting and moving the goalposts too haha. I'm not posting my physique. Deal with it bby.

>>41693564
Because you don't bench 315 for reps. No one in this thread does.

>>41690837
>Drake
>Ripped Body
>Ace rapper
lmfao

>>41692911
you're an idiot

>>41693583
Explain to me how 2/3/4/5 is not at or near most people's genetic potential.

>>41693576
If that makes you feel like you won the argument go ahead. I think I've sufficiently proven why 315 is not an elite bench. You proved it yourself by posting the USPA standards.

>>41693645
I just wanted proof of you guys being 210 at 6'1.

I mean surely he must be bigger than Zyzz natty, right? Strange he wouldn't have a working camera or a single picture of his body.

>>41690837
>barely-not-skinnyfat body
>ripped

Fucking normies

>>41693669
I bet you look worse than drake

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>>41693434
>not a single rep on squats and bench
>only hit 2 reps on deadlift
>ohp is nice
Yeah totally reached 1/2/3/4

>>41693434
>extreme outliers can now be used to refute points
Goddamn

>>41693598
4pl8 squat and 5pl8 deadlift are not that hard to get to. By the end of LP my squat was already 365. Will most people have to do an intermediate routine? yes, but they really aren't insane numbers.

>>41693913
And 2pl8 overhead press? How close were you to it by the end of your lp?

>>41693265
no

>>41693438
Your evidence doesnt control for PEDs. And dont bring up testing, everyone DOPES.

>>41692911
if you dont hit 1/2/3/4 in 6 months you are training like a pussy or have serious diet problems.
2/3/4/5 is a very reasonable goal to hit within a year... two if you are manlet

>>41692911
You're in the right anon, ignore the whiny cunts that say otherwise http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/DeadliftStandards.html

>>41690863
strength milestones will do nothing for your body, aesthetically speaking.

>>41694360
Yes.

And 3/4/5/6 within 3 years easily unless you got low test.

>>41694360
i fucking hate you guys

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>>41694360
This was me back when I started lifting. Does this look like a body that could hit 1/2/3/4 in six months?

>>41692911
The only one of these I think I'll couldn't achieve in the next 6 months is the 2pl8 overhead press. I've done 4 and 5 for squat and deadlift. I've benched 275 x 3 recently. Id imagine the OHP kills people.

>>41690837
Normies dont respect gym goers.

They see us as addictive, repressed idiots who are trying to compensate.

They don't understand. And then They dont understand why they have diabetes either.

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>>41690863
not true
i'm 1/2/3/4 and i look like shit

>>41694471
>>41694449
If we are talking 1RMs 1/2/3/4 is a much easier goal to hit than it sounds
Just follow a beginner strength routine such as SS and EAT. The biggest thing holding most people back from reaching their training goals is not their training but their eating. Count calories (it doesnt have to be exact just estimates to get a feel for how much you are eating) and aim for 1g protein per lb. of weight.
Dont be afraid to put on a little weight its a lot easier to cut weight than to gain muscle. Once you get your beginner's strength you can switch to a bodybuilding routine and go for aesthetics.

>>41694631
1/2/3/4

What 1 hot pocket/ 2 cokes/ 3 cookies/ and 4 fap sessions?

Sumos dont count kid.

Ottermode

>>41690837
any amount of delt and trap definition

>>41694631
Start cutting you fat slob

Normies started to mention I was big when I was only doing a few sets of curls a day like 4 years ago. Even with just having slightly above average arms (and not being a fatass) normies who aren't into fitness will respect you

>>41694360
2/3/4/5 is a fucking joke after a year. if you didnt win a national powerlifting meet within a year you are a lowtest beta faggot and dont know how to train.

>>41693007
>>41693030
actrually if you are not a fat fuck it could very well take you 2years to rep out 1/2/3/4 while staying reasonably lean.

most of the guys that achieve 1/2/3/4 very fast are just getting fat and spend the next 6-12 months dieting so whats the point ? might as well stay lean and take a bit longer instead of blowing up like a fatty and stretching out your skin.

>>41694507
because a 2pl8 OHP for reps is fucking crazy for a natty. nobody really cares about squats and DL anyway, you dont need to squat more than 3pl8 for reps to have big legs and a 4pl8 DL for a few reps is plenty as well.

better to focus on building those arms and shoulders once the rest of your body is decent. I see no point in increasing my squat any more than 3pl8 for reps when it comes to aesthetics.

>>41694631
If you were a celebrity like drake, the press would say you have a ripped bod.

>>41692553
Who are you fucking people that think you can achieve 1 plate ohp in 6 months

>>41694890
Exactly, more like 6 weeks.

Wait a sec, is 1/2/3/4 for reps or maximum?

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>>41694890
anon here that currently OHP's 90kg for reps, when i first started I couldn't OHP 60kg, but i at the time thought that was bitch weight and was so embarrassed that i pushed myself incredibly hard (nearly fainting during reps) and achieved 60kh OHP in my first week, granted I've had a history of manual labour and may thai, but it can be done.

people with no physical history =/= people who have had experience lifting things.

>>41695035
>How to deadlift
You don't

>>41693542
Make it 1.5/2.5/3/4
1 and 2 is almost nothing

>>41693928
2 pl8 OhP at like 90-100 kg isn't outrageously dude.
I OHP 85 for 1 at 92, have been doing that lift for a year now

>>41694792
2/3/4/5 is doable after 2 years certainly

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Im thinking of stopping training for strength after 2/3/4/5 what do you guys think?

>>41694471
Not that guy but yes. Eat. You skinny fucks have no idea how much you really need to eat to get strong quickly.

Also, avoid dumbass programs like SS/SL and do something with way more volume (like 3-5x10-15) and actually push to failure. Add weight every session just like any other novice program. As you increase the weights the reps will eventually start to drop.

The higher volume in the beginning will put mass on you much more quickly, and ingrain proper form. That mass can easily be peaked into strength with a few weeks of periodization.

By the time the intensity gets high enough to push you down to 2-3x4-6 your projected 1rm will be in the 1/2/3/4 without a doubt because you just did a 6 month periodized training block.

>>41694890
Typically people ignore learning proper form with OHP, which is a huge part of progressing it. If you neglect the internal rotation you can't use your lats as a base/spring, and takes the triceps out of the movement at the bottom. If you neglect full body bracing you don't have a base to press from. It's just a big of a deal as the big three, or any lift for that matter but it's the lift most people don't give a shit about form on for some reason.

Also, low rep OHP work is fucking garbage, at least for me. My OHP progressed like fucking mad when I started doing crazy shit like 5x10, as many sets as possible of 5 or 8 reps, 5-6xF and really just anything with retarded amounts of volume. Also blew up my traps which was cool.

>>41694944
I was wondering the same thing

>>41690863
1/2/doesn't matter/doesn't matter
Just wear jeans

>>41694631
train lats, shoulders, triceps and biceps.
all of them bodybuilding style, you will look in 2 months 10x better.

>>41695188
you should stop now before you snap your shit up.

>>41695312
>My OHP progressed like fucking mad when I started doing crazy shit like 5x10, as many sets as possible of 5 or 8 reps, 5-6xF and really just anything with retarded amounts of volume

On one day or throughout the week?

>>41690837
He's a celebrity so if he shows off his body people will comment on it on social media. Since he was skinnyfat before, people are impressed with the progress he's made. I tell if you if anyone else looked like this, they wouldn't say he's "RIPPED OFF".

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>>41692911
>all these people making fun of this guy, because they all have a 2pl8 ohp
I have never in my life seen someone press 2pl8s without jumping.

>>41694890
If you re fatass not so hard. OHPing your bodyweight, now that's what differs man from a little baby.

>>41695751
It's 4chan tho. Everyone here is a billionaire NEET, Olympic champion weightlifting god and record holder of every weight class in powerlifting

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>>41695751
>>41696153
Welcome to /fit/, where people walk into the gym for the first time in their lives & lift their own bodyweight in plates as a warmup.

I miss the early days.

>>41693202
Notice your chart doesn't list 3/4/5 as "elite" for anybody except the turbo manlet classes that nobody competes in or cares about.

3/4/5 is not elite for normal size men (5'10, 180 lbs). I'm 5' 11" and hit a 455 squat and 585 dead at 193 lbs. That's a decent deadlift and a mediocre squat. My bench is 275 and is considered pathetic. There are drug tested 181s putting up >400 lbs on bench.

Fix your fucking standards.

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>>41696222
>I'm 5' 11"
Of course it's a fucking manlet spinning these tall tales.

>>41696257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-pAoY5-Y30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp_uEHZDz1Q

>>41696222
>Fix your fucking standards

Fix yours faggot.

This is why so many people think lifting is fucking autistic. Because you make up these ridiculous standards that very few can realistically achieve then give them unbelievable timelines like "you need to bench 315 lbs within 1 year or else you might as well hang yourself right now, or you have low testosterone or some shit"

Or shit like saying a 5plate deadlift is "just okay in a commercial gym" like the other thread up right now

>>41693117
Sorry I went to a hick town high school and there were 6 people in my grade alone that could bench 315 like.

>>41696222
>drug tested

All that means is that they have to put more work into their cycle. Drug tests ain't shit.

>>41696320
I'm just faggot with 6.3 inch wrists and bad genetics that learned how to lift on the internet, and surpassed these """"elite"""" standards within a few years of lifting while putting it on the back burner during medical school. If I'm already past an """""elite""""" squat by 50 lbs, and an """"elite"""" deadlift by 90 lbs after sub-optimal training for a few years, then these """"elite"""" numbers you've selected are clearly retarded.


Nobody is unironically saying you should hit a 315 bench in a year. But sure as fuck is not "elite" or a "natty limit" for any normal adult male. And neither is a 405 squat or 495 dead.

>>41694631
Idk what's with all the hate, you have a slightly above average body.

>>41695751
Yah I call bullshit on it too. I know 1 guy that could do that and he was a giant fat fuck.

>>41696416
"2/3/4/5 is respectable"

Brb let me just ohp 225 for reps

>>41692897
That's always been a stupid standard, that press is massively out of proportion

1.5/3/4/5 is much more balanced and realistic

>>41696481
But then the numbers aren't as cool

>>41696467
>"3/4/5 is not elite"
>*retarded comment about 225 OHP for reps*

>>41696416
Lmao Jesus. I'm 5'7 and have 7.25 inch wrists.

>>41696496
Brb let me just snatch 315lbs. it's merely an intermediate lift right?

>>41692911
THIS is who I share /fit/ with? You're so casual it's disgusting!

>>41696505
Yup, it's pretty bad.

>>41696521
Say whatever dumb shit you want, 3/4/5 is not elite. They're intermediate/advanced lifts, but not fucking elite.

>>41696562
Brb let me clean and jerk 500lbs, it's merely a beginner lift

>>41694890
>be 6'3 140 lankfuck
>pitched in middle school baseball
>didn't work out all of highschool
>smoked a pack a day and a liter a night for 2 years straight
>senior year decided to start lifting
>OHP 1pl8 on first day
>perfect form
>6 months later
>OHP 2pl8
>perfect form

You're a faggot if you can't press bodyweight.

>>41696592
Continued:
>1 year later
>OHP 3pl8
>Perfect form
>Get tired of lifting, start eating junkfood
>1 year later
>OHP 4pl8 after winning the lottery

After 12 years in gyms, I can say for a fact /fit/ is full of shit.

3 plate bench is rare. He'll, even seeing three plate squat done correctly is rare.

Isn't 1/2/3/4 for 5. The average person can squat 315, for real reps for 5 in six months. GTFO.

Hardly saw 4 plate dls at a college gym in grad school where fucking everyone was into deads like it was a new craze.

Only place it was common was the powerlifting gym I went to, but those guys were big. The 170lb guys saying they're blasting 500lb deads for reps after one year are lying.

>>41696645
Nice projection, but to be real I got tired of lifting and going to a gym, just moved onto cycling, calisthenics, and got certified as a yoga teacher. Shit is fucking dope dude. Come at me when you can do handstand pushups.

>>41696701
>retarded neets lie on 4chan

Mind = blown

>>41696645
Continued:
>1 year later
>OHP 5pl8
>perfect form
>get tired of eating junkfood, start browsing 4chan
>1 week later
>OHP 26pl8 after believing in power of friendship, magic and mark rippetoe
>tfw no gf
>has /fit/ lied to me?

>>41696701
Congrats, you've wasted 12 years.

>5 plate deadlift is elite
>I deadlift 6 plate, therefor I'm super duper elite
>the 181s and 198s pulling 7 and 8 plate are TURBO ULTRA XXL elite

2 plate OHP is pretty damn good. 3/4/5 is decent, but not "elite" in any way, unless you're the size of a child.

>>41694890
>Not reaching olympic levels by your second month in the gym
Faggot.

>>41696701
1/2/3/4 after your first year is perfectly reasonable. Your average gym goer barely ever does a deadlift never mind following a strict program like SL/SS.

If you follow one of these or any beginner's program then after a year you should be able to do 1/2/3/4. If not then you've been slacking off hard somewhere along the line.

>>41696756
>>41696732
Sure is good being over 6' and weighing more than a 16 year old, isn't it?

>>41696776
>not setting new records that cannot be beaten until new steroids are synthesized 200 years into the future

Hello dyel.

>>41696756

> Saying something takes more than 6 months is the same as saying it's elite

>>41696756
Post your body you larping faggot

>>41695496
>bodybuilding style
What would this mean? High rep lower weight isolations?

>>41694890
Just be fat and not short, dude.

>>41692984
I think 2 years is too long tbqh, I think one year is about right if you are serious, maybe 1.5

>>41696847
1 year is far too long. A 315lb is easily achievable with 8 months, personally I got it within 6. Although id say the average is about 4 months but I've seen as few as 1 of 2 months.

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>>41696720
>implying
It's the fucking redditors and fitness forum retards who forgot they're on anonymous anime imageboard and don't have to try and save face by spinning their wild tales about deadlifting 500 kilos the second they came out of the birth canal, slapping the midwife's ass, climbing mount everest, traveling back in time to beat Hitler to death with their limp dick and being rewarded by ascending into demi-godhood.

>>41696756
Start posting some pics fucking faggot. Or did your dog eat your homework?

>>41696818
That's not what is being debated, retard. Nobody said you should hit 3/4/5 in less than 6 months. The claim was that those numbers are "peak natty". Try reading the thread next time, dipshit. See here:
>>41692911

>>41696827
I already posted it here:
>>41696299

>>41696701
>3 plate bench is rare
you mean dyels are common? Hardly anybody stays committed to the gym long enough and trains and eats properly enough to reach a 3pl8 bench. That doesn't mean it's some extremely difficult goal.

>>41696299
>The last of barret's privateers
Oh shit was just listening to this yesterday

>>41695539
One day. You still have to have a high intensity (effort wise). 5x10 and etc shouldn't be some easy bullshit 5/3/1 BBB style rep work. Shit should be hard, and you should have to rest a while between sets.

This was while doing an upper lower, so I had another day with pressing on it too, it just wasn't OHP.

>>41692927

I think the problem is you two are comparing apples to oranges. A genetically gifted person for strength sports will definitely go way past 5pl8 for deadlift and someone with shit genetics might never get 5pl8 no matter how much they eat and train. Then you have to add in the fact that one of them might be some 500 lb fat fuck like jeff lewis and the other a 145 lb skeleton.

>>41696915

The average person can't bench 315 for 5 and stay at 8-10% bf without drugs, even with training, so why bother?

>>41695539
>>41696931

I realized I didn't really clarify much. Only ONE of those was done on my OHP day. So I'd do 5x10 every week upping the weight until that stopped progressing. Then as many sets of 8 until it stopped progressing. Etc. I didn't cycle them in any specific order, I just changed the method I was getting the higher volume when one stopped working.

>>41692897
how much kg's is a plate in this case?

>>41696995
Try visiting a gym once in your life before worrying about milestones like 1/2/3/4

>>41696995
1 plate = 60
2 plate = 100
3 plate = 140
4 plate = 180

etc

>>41693529

They're baiting you dude. A high schooler benching 315 is impressive as fuck, but it happens. There are real genetic freaks out there. The FFMI > 25 thing is a useful metric, but there ARE freaks out there that can hit 27+ natty.

Strength standards are made using the average of a huge population, so obviously guys who are gifted and possibly roid are gonna blow those away, but they're useful for the average person.

>>41696909

Yeah, my point is that, if it only took 6-12 months of consistent lifting to squat 315 for 5, then it'd be a lot more common. Lots of people do a year or so of consistent lifting. It's doing the several years of work to hit big numbers that is rare.

>>41696592

>1pl8 day 1
>2pl8 6 months later

So you've never set foot in a gym before? You need to make your lies seem less obvious, like 1 pl8 within a few months, 2pl8 a few years later

>>41697049
It if only took eating fewer calories to not be fat, then nobody would be fat. If it only took 10-20 minutes of practice and review each day to learn another language, then everybody would know multiple languages. If it only took 30 minutes of practice per day to become a good pianist, then everybody would play piano.

It doesn't just take "6-12" months. It takes 6-12 months of actually TRYING. Most people aren't interesting in trying. When you actually TRY, amazing things happen, like squatting 3 plate. Rippetoe had Zach squatting like 325 for 5x5 within 4-6 months.

Lots of people show up to the gym for a year. Nearly none of them are doing real training with good programming while actually attempting to get stronger and doing the shit necessary to achieve their goals.

>>41697136
>It doesn't just take "6-12" months. It takes 6-12 months of actually TRYING.

second

>>41694890
I started with it

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>>41697092
>not doing 6millionpl8 while in the womb
Might as well kill yourself and your family, erasing your shit-tier genetic line out of existence. I'd post pics, but i'm on a top secret mission for the US government and fucking both Ivanka & Melania, simultaneously, while Trump rims my asshole :^)

>>41690837
I hate all of you.
You insufferable cunts.

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>>41697385
Don't go yet, i haven't told you about the time i single handedly lifted the moon and threw it at an invading fleet of aliens, saving all of humanity. Sure, this might sound a bit unbelievable to you mouthbreathers, but guess it's just my genetics ;^)

>>41696964
so stay at 15% bf dweeb

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>>41690837

Charles Atlas (fat dyel in pic) could hammer 9 inch nails through railway sleepers with his bare hands. He performed this feat many, many times for journalists.

How can your 1/2/3/4 compete with that level of strength?

>>41696429
i feel like it's a bad photo, I agree with you

you do look like shit but to normies you probably look fine

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>>41690837
1 month of starting strength in my experience.

Apparently I'm some kind of Michelangelo's David to my coworkers just by being in the normal BMI range and having all my teeth.

Seriously it's rough out there.

>>41696222
>elite is the only acceptable standard

Fuck off retard, even a single class 1 lifter at a high school would be an anomaly. The stats for juniors are way lower. Not to mention you compare your shitty form ego lifts to the paused competition lifts of professional raw lifters. You deadlift with a curved back and your hips don't go below your knees on your shitty forward leaning squat. Even ignoring the fact that you finish the lift with your thighs your deadlift would snap you up if you trained seriously for competition with form like that.

Your standards are unrealistic because all you care about is the weight on the bar. You lower your rom, round your back, deadlift with your thighs and you call it progress. 3/4/5 plates with clean competition form is out of reach for 99% of natties barring either 5+ years of serious powerlifting training or a fuckton of weight gain just to say "look at me I can bench 315lbs at 220lbs" which is no longer even remotely close to elite.

>>41697657
This is why I'm training for a strongman meet.

>>41690837
He has literal dadbod. That's how fit my dad was in his 50s.

>>41693371
>Don't lift at all, cardio and calisthenics only
>Compliments all the time
Have yet to feel the need to move beyond this.

>>41694648
The sticky says 1.5 - 2 g of protein per kilogram of protein. I have never gone over for fear of the protein becoming fat. Am I an idiot for thinking this? What happens to the protein ur body doesn't use?

>>41692927
>>41692941
>>41692962
>>41692996

I'll make sure to watch out for you monsters at my next PL meet, blowing everyone out of the water with 3/4/5/6 lifts.

Oh wait, you're all weak RPing fags.

It's like that grandma who told Dennis Wolf "my grandson is way bigger than you" to which he laughed and replied "I'll watch out for him at the next olympia"

Thanks Dennis Wolf, for teaching me to respond to delusional bitches

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>>41692911
>>41692897

>>41700526
BTFO

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>>41690837
I would say 0.75-1 / 1.5 / 2 / 2.5xBW, because 1/2/3/4 is impressive for a guy that weighs 60kg/132lbs but not for someone at 120kg/265lbs.

Add to that an reasonable BF% around 10-15 and you'll look better than the average man.

>>41694631
>no one has mentioned the dick yet

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The second half of this thread is starting to turn around for the positive. So many bullshitters in the first half

>muh 2/3/4/5 is beginner lifts I hit in 6 months

fukin dorks

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>>41693434
>that girl next to him while he's squatting having her friend filming her doing lmao0.25pl8 split squats on the smith machine

women are a meme

when will heterosexuality be outlawed

>>41690863
Is that just 1RM? I say if you can do 1/2/3/4 5x5 then you look like you lift for sure

>>41702824
except diddly that should be 1x5 4-plate

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>>41690837
Literally any amount of visibly defined muscles.

Normies are all chubby or skinnyfat.

>>41690837
I've always received respect because i'm slightly over 6'2, have a deep voice, and have piercing gray blue eyes.

I can tell you that i don't respect anyone under ~5'10 - 5'11 ever, regardless of muscle mass. Sorry.

>mfw work in consulting and turbomanlet managers try to dominate me
I take no part in their peacocking and power struggles

>>41690837
You people are retarded, I can barely bench 1pl8 and my guy friends have started praising my gains.

You are delusional if you think that the average normie cares about stupid 1/2/3/4 milestones.

>>41702430
stop looking at my penis, anon

>>41703418
You know you want people to look at it you slut

>>41703341
Come back and let us know when somebody that you haven't told about lifting praises your gains

>>41695751
this. A 2pl8 ohp is equivalent to a 3.5 or 4pl8 bench

>>41703723
According to Jim Wendler and some other strength coaches your OHP should be about 2/3 of your bench 1RM.

>>41694360
>if you dont hit 1/2/3/4 in 6 months you are training like a pussy or have serious diet problems
well, it is easy as long as you don't care about being a literal fat fuck

i was on my way to get 2pl8 for reps bench but i had to stop because i was too fat.

>>41694631
yes very funny you retard

we all know u look okay in the eyes of fags

>>41690837
Abs

Thats literally it. You can be a spaghetti skeleton of nothing but skin and bones but as long as you show abs you're 'made it'

>>41692911
This poster is completely correct and is breaking /fit/s ego.

if there is one thing i have learned after lifting and browsing /fit/ for three years, it is that stats posted here mean jack shit. .
how can you compare the stats of individual A who is using bad form, bouncing weights and quarter/half-repping to the stats of individual B who is using strict form? then add e-statting to that.

also: 1/2/3/4 needs to factor in body weight to make any kind of sense.

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>>41705777
just lift harder broski

>>41706272
>I gained almost 50lbs of muscle in 7 months

Totes legit

is there a different standard for women?
1/2/3/4 is still my personal goal but is the point at which I can say "I lift" lower than that?

>>41690837
depends on your facial aesthetics.
if you're handsome, then you have a lower bar than ugly freaks before people respect your gains.

>>41695751
>>41696153
>>41696205
>>41696445
>>41703723

the really sad thing about that is although I know it's e-statting I have been on /fit/ too long to the point where I have accepted this as the norm. Normies tell me I look big and am strong as fuck but I just dont see it because when I compare myself to /fit/ standards I will never be satisfied.

I mean I bench 315 and just last week there was a thread where apparently more than half the people on here still bench more than me.

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>>41692408
I'm not this faggot but

>>41692453
>>41692569
>>41692929
i have gyno, worked in a plastic surgery office as a RN and seen over 1000 cases of gyno probably at this point in my life time. He has a mild form of gyno. It's subjective though to the doctor. I've seen these two guys who run the gyno part of the clinic disagree on whether the patient should continue to cut BF or have the surgery. They're both bro doctors so it's friendly disagreeing, but he has mild gyno. It's not like a yes, no criteria question. Ya'll faggots need to calm the fuck down and learn something that's not from the internet.

>>41706416
My max is [your max] + 30-50lbs.

>>41693857
>Not a single rep on bench and squat
Heehee xd nice meme

>>41706489
That's pretty good, I do that weight for reps though.

>>41703235
consulting what?

Just posting this as a reminder of what is OHP with 2pl8 FOR REPS looks like.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_wM-nE5hWI

Pic related is evan "the ox" centopani next to branch warren.
Just keep in mind that evan is a bit taller than denis "the big bad" wolf.
But yeah sure, anybody here makes ohp with 2lmfaopl8 for reps.

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>>41708988
shit, here have the picture

>>41690863
You only need like 4 months to get to that level unless you're a skeleton. It's not that respectable.

>>41694449
Why, because we're telling you the truth?

>>41693086
After entering this through the official 4chan e-peen translator, you are 5'8" and 240lbs

>>41709002
Me on the left.

>>41696964
>not activating /thicc/ mode

>>41709054
that questions was what do normies find respectable. Not fatso powerlifters as like yourself.
Besides, sure it can be reached in 4 months, but you'll most likely look like shit.

>>41709267
You will look like shit because 1/2/3/4 looks like shit. Your muscles are just barely starting to show themselves when you're that "strong."

It is not respectable, period.

>>41710485
Learn to read faggot.
1/2/3/4 is impressive to normies, and if you say otherwise you're an autist.

>>41710501
I did read what you said, and you're wrong. Any normie who has ever worked out in their lives knows how easy it is to do 135 OHP, 225 bench, 315 squat and 405 deadlift. Those are the definition of noob gains, the first plateau they strive for because they're still focused on "durr look at how many pl8s are on tha bar, gettin #swole keke"

>>41710579
I know your assburgers is showing and all and that you want to normalize and project your neet powerlifting fantasies into the "normie" realm.
But you cant back up the shit youre saying.
Just by "normie" standards, normies wont stick 6 months in a gym, normies who will, will become into curlbros, pumpin gainz fgts who will never ever ever ever ever try to do anything else than broscience pumpin gains.

2pl8 ohp is certainly impressive. Wouldn't say 3pl8 bench, 4pl8 squat, 5pl8 DL is very impressive, more like strong intermediate.

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>>41706360
>different standard for women
Of course there is, women as a whole are generally weaker than men, 1/2/3/4 is a very tough goal to achieve especially for the upper body portion.
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/PressStandards.html
Scroll down to women, a 1 plate(135 pounds) is considered an elite lift for a 165 pound women.
For upper body lifts, take a ratio of half, and for lower body do a ratio of 2/3.
Good luck femanon

>>41690837
I look like absolute shit and I'm still the "ripped guy" at my work. Most normies seem to have really low standards for fitness.

9 months 125/165/260/295

will i ever make it

>>41693202
Is the Yellow X axis supposed to be body weight?

>>41690837
im literally dyel, not by /fit/ standards, but by regular standards, but am semi cut and my friend and his gf asked me when i got so cut

>>41702430
I didn't notice the penis till you mention it. Must go back to /gif/ to un-straighten myself

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>>41693857
>Knee and Hip line paralel to ground
>Bar hits chest and back is not overly arched
>Agree, the deadlifts should have been at least 3
What are you talking about

Dyel here 170 lbs 6'2 here

Can only bench 115 lb 5 reps squat 135 lbs 5 reps am I gonna make it

What do eat more protein?

>>41693371
>be DYEL skinnyfat
>lifting for less than a year
>think I look the exact same
>people keep telling me how much better I look
>hear I have big arms for the first time ever
>measurements say I'm down from 26 to 20 percent bodyfat

huh, neat

>>41693529
I went to a big highschool, there was a guy there that benched 335, in his junior year. Maybe expand your worldview a little bit

>>41696429
>narrow shoulders and wide hips
Also no lats. Gotta disagree with you

>>41705406
yup. 2pl8 ohp is fucking insane

>>41695188
>not realizing rippetoe made this up in order to have an excuse to feel up mens asses while they squat

>>41710838
Call people autists all you want, 1/2/3/4 is still easy as fuck dude. I don't think you understand the meaning of the word normie, it certainly isn't just a stand-in for retard. Plenty of normies reach 1/2/3/4 from doing simple brosplits for a year, that doesn't take any effort.

>>41706360
for a woman to automatically look above average to hot all you have to do is not be fat, wear dresses/skirts and have long, straight hair

boom you're automatically a 7 (in America) just by refraining from binge eating and not getting a stupid haircut

>>41709054
h-how long does it take a skeleton to get there

>>41695126
This. Old men at my gym and college athletes can easily hit that level. I'm at little bit above that level myself and I don't think normies give any respect.

Serious question.

Is instagram like 4chan for normies?

>>41714221
no

>>41713992
>normies
>deadlifting 4plates and squatting 3plates

No.

fsqfqsfsqfqsfqsf

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>>41694890
>have lifted pretty seriously since February
>not even at 2.5 pl8 deadlift
It's probably because my program only wants me to deadlift one set per week.

>>41713892
A guy, A guy in a sample of how many males?
We are not talking about the golden sample you dumb fuck, we are talking a bout the standard, the normal distribution, the average of males.
>>41713992
normie as in, paragraph above.

You sound dumb as fuck so let me point you the path but youll have to think this out.

Whats the average for males in certain country (even area) that have a gym membership?
Out of them, who will stick for at least 6 months?
Out of them, who will at least partially, follow a strength program?
Out of them, who will STICK to such program and not jump into gainzville with the maddddest pumps ever?

Who ever is not doing that is considered average, normal, the standard. You know "normie"

>>41690837
It's less to do with normie standards and more because he's a celeb. A celebrity could give a dollar to a homeless guy and there would be normies creaming themselves over how altruistic he is.

>>41695312
Does seated OHP affect proper development?

I have to do it seated currently because my gym's ceiling is so short i can't do it standing.

>>41690837
I feel like i look like shit because of high bf% and barely intermediate numbers, but black qt from work asked me for fitness advice and complimented me on my muscles

Plus everyone but a couple people hate me more now at work. I work at a super liberal place of mostly women so my muscles must be passively oppressing them

>>41692408
And yet he can have every bitch you can't have. No wonder you're upset

>>41717187
personal improvement of others only makes them feel like they are stagnating which they are. Just make the cute impressionable ones laugh and cause a rift in their bubble.

>>41717014
The problem with the average male is that in this day and age he's weak af. That's the whole problem with this thread.

You have one group of people comparing themselves to normies and the other group comparing themselves to people who have been training for more than 2-3 years.

Personally, my belief is that trying to impress normies is a waste of time, they're all weak af and trying to impress them is like trying to impress a layman with calculus. Technically impressive, but nobody who actually knows math finds that impressive.

>when you respect yourself

>>41716100
Well I mean. Yeah. Wanna progress faster do more deadlifts bruh. Maybe not at 100% if you're worried about "muh cns" but still.

>>41690837

I would still be in dyel mode according to /fit/, but outside of /fit/, men and women have told me that I have a masculine and toned figure.

I don't really see it and I know that serious lifters don't see it either. But sometimes it feels good fooling 93% of the population even though 7% can see that it's bullshit.

>>41718593
Finally this dense motherfucker acknowledges the average is weak therefore easily impress by /fit standards is dyel range.

>makes the same comparison using calculus

Well mr. mage cast some aoe to keep normies away you fat fuck.

>>41718716
I have no idea what you're trying to say but you seem mad.

>>41696205
Made me kek 3x5
Underrated

>>41693160
You underestimate football fags, anon. All they do is GOMAD and bench. 315 is achievable in 1-2 years at max if you eat as much as you can and train bench 2-3 times a week

>thread starts talking about "normie" standards
>suddenly turns into comparing lifts to world records.
never change fit
tl;dr, 1/2/3/4 is respectable from a NORMIE point of view. dont let anybody tell you otherwise.

>>41692927
Peak of AVERAGE natural potential.

Some freaks will go farther. Outliers.
Some freaks will go nowhere near it. Outliers.

The majority would work for years to get it and be unable to go much farther beyond. And be fat shits just to get there.

D1 programs are packed with kids that can do this, and that's about it. They represent a miniscule microfraction of the population. They're the outliers, all brought together. That's why football players look like twice the man of your average undergrad. They literally are twice the person in every physical way. Plus a bunch roid.

5 pl dl is not fucking normal in any world. It's peak performance, though you may not like it.

Unless you can bench 5pl8 don't even act like you lift.

>>41717154
You don't work your back and core as much and could cause some underdevelopment but I dont think thats significant enough to matter. As long as you are lifting it with correct form you should be fine

Literally never, only /fit/ gives a fuck

>>41693117
The linemen in my school could bench 3 plates and squat 3.5 to 4