stop eating meat

>>41668999
k

just had the best roast lamb+pototate dinner tb h lads.

>stop eating meat
As soon as newborns stop dying when their mom is vegan.

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>>41668999
>it's the daily vegan cuck thread

>stop eating that which you adapted to feed on for billions of years
yeah
no

if anything, you should stop eating carbs if that's a thing you're worried about
we never adapted to the amount of carbs we eat in modern society, even bread is too new for us

>>41669048
xD
Plants are carbs which accounted for like 95% of human intake for most of evolution. Meat is the thing that has become so cheap and available.

>>41669015
>Just had a baby corpse for dinner
>>41669017
>Buzzfeed: one baby died because it's mom fed it only lettuce
>Anon: vegan newborns die all the time
>>41669030
Catalog > filters > vegan > hide > save

>>41668999
Pretty awesome how Usain Bolt can be such an awesome sprinter when he is a 6'5 lanklet. Sprinting is one of the few olympic sports where being an averagelet is an advantage. Look at most sprinters they're around 5'9 to 6'0.

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Meat causes heart disease

>>41669048
>>stop eating that which you adapted to feed on for billions of years
Name ONE physiological adaptation humans made to eat meat.

>>41669061
hes an outlier

besides that people dont realise that the differences between usain bolt and the guy with the last place is like 2 seconds lmao

>>41669063
Bigger brains

BTFO

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>>41669063
Incisors

>>41669085
nice ad hominem faggot

>>41669099
its true though

>>41669085
Apparently you didn't evolve enough. I said adaptation TO eat meat. Not FROM eating meat. Also bigger brains are mostly attributed to cooked food (so less energy wasted on digestion) and high calorie consumption. Meat did help with consuming lots of calories back then when food was scarce, but we don't need it now.

It's as if you're implying that there is a nutrient in meat that helps us be, that doesn't exist in plants.
Name one physiological adaptation humans made to eat meat.
Name one nutrient found in meat that isn't found in plants.

>>41669059
Here have a reply, you enormous retarded cocksucking faggot.

>>41669063
canines

>>41669094
You can't tear through flesh with your weak human jaw. If you think you can, go bite a live cow's ass

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>>41669120
>>41669121

>>41669111
what is it that makes liberals/vegans think that:
>what I say about this controversial topic is a fact and there is no other point of view available so if you dont agree youre a fucking mongoloid

Why are you so against eating meat. I agree factory farming is bad so I advocate hunting

>>41669061
It's not usain bolt, it's lopez lomong. 180 cm x 69kg / 5'11" 150 lb.
He's from sudan.

Personal best(s)

800 m: 1:45.58
1,500 m: 3:32.20
1,500 m (in.): 3:36.52
One Mile: 3:51.45
One Mile (in.): 3:51.21
3,000 m: 7:50.36
3,000 m (in.): 7:44.16
5,000 m (in): 13:06.99
5,000 m: 13:11.63

>>41669120

Human ancestors had that for millions of years before meat eating was a normal thing. Most animals have canines, be they carnivore or herbivore. They're useful teeth for a lot of things.

>>41669130
What a retarded argument.

>>41669137

The guy is having a discussion and giving his opinion. Why are you taking it so personally?

>>41669130
They're some flat canines on that guy

If we weren't meant to eat meat why don't we get sick from it?
Cucks - 0
Meaty men - 1

>>41669161
Because I keep seeing that mentality everywhere and I just makes me wonder

>>41669148
Chimps do have much bigger canines than men, i guess it get those female monkeys wet.

>>41669164
Meat is associated with heart attack and obesity though Mr. man.

>>41669172
so are vegetable oils, grains etc

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>>41669164

I call this sick

>>41668999
>give animal fat to herbivorous animals and it fucks with them

wooooooooow

>>41669186
Explain how not a single inuit died of earth attacks before the contact with the white men while they mostly eat seal blubber.

>>41669184
That's processed foods though, vegetables and whole grains are not inherently harmful. Of course processed carbs, fats and meats are worse.

>>41669137
>Why are you so against eating meat.
Name one physiological adaptation humans made to eat meat.
Name one nutrient found in meat that isn't found in plants.
>>41669149
I didn't start it though
>>41669164
Post canines
>>41669184
The only cause of heart disease is blood cholesterol

>>41669186
>>41669172
If we weren't meant to eat meat why does steak taste so good?
Cucks - 2
Meaty men - 2

>>41669206
That's a myth, the inuit and Ekimo tells are bullshit. They're found corpses with atherosclerosis.

>>41669212
If we weren't supposed to eat meat we wouldn't be able to digest it.

Tell me, if we're supposed to be vegan why is the human body most effecient in absorbing amino acids from meat, eggs, and milk?

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>>41669206

"That's not true"

Man, that was the easiest explanation I've ever had to give

>>41669212
If there is no physiological adaptation in humans to eat meat and every nutrient can be found in plants then why does a herbivore like a Deer eat a bird when he can find one?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q91dUtDYkU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOQdBLHrLk

The simple answer is meat is packed with nutrient. Why eat 50 variants of plants to get the same amount? This is also the reason why most vegans are deficient in certain nutrients

>>41669223

Good point. I'll be sure to use that next time someone tells me ice cream is bad for me.

>If I wasn't supposed to eat it, I wouldn't be able to digest it. Tell me, why would I be so efficient at absorbing the sugar in this ice cream if t'weren't meant for me to eat?

>>41669223
I like the vegan angle too but that "we're not meant to eat meat" point is just utterly retarded. Of course we can eat and digest meat and it provides a lot of nutrition that's not even the point. If someone says humans are meant to be hebivores you can immediately trash his opinion.

>>41669223
>If we weren't supposed to eat meat we wouldn't be able to digest it.
We can digest it because the acid in our stomach can break down protein. Cows are fed intestines and bone flour from other cows all the time and digest it just fine.
>Tell me, if we're supposed to be vegan why is the human body most effecient in absorbing amino acids from meat, eggs, and milk?
Because fiber inhibits absorption. So? Just overshoot your protein goal by a few grams and you're set

>>41669235
Sugar isn't bad for you, there's sugar in fruits, too. We need sugar to live. It's TOO MUCH sugar that's bad.

So, basically fuck off, retard.

>>41669233
> This is also the reason why most vegans are deficient in certain nutrients
The typical person eating the western diet has more deficiencies than the typical vegan (it was B12, iodine and calcium, 3 nutrients you can easily take care of).

>>41669236

If someone says we're meant to be anything, you can trash their opinion. If we're talking about what we're best suited to, there's a strong case for an herbivorous or mostly herbivorous diet.

>>41669243
The point is that we can't break down plant amino acids like, say, gorillas can. You can't get a complete amino acid profile without eating eggs, meat, or dairy unless you mix and match different types of veggies.

This works now, but it was impossible in caveman times.

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>>41669015
Let's discuss the best cuts, brahs. What's the most economic, but delicious part for steak? Entrecote?

>>41669254
There really isn't. Why vegans struggle to accept that humans are omnivores is beyond me.

>>41669254
Agreed. I'd say we're meant to be normal weight at most though (or maybe slightly overweight after a really good crop), obesity is extremely unnatural. Unrelated to the thread though.

>>41669048

>billions of years

Every thread, the number gets bigger. Next you'll be saying humans existed and began eating meat trillions of years ago.

Here's another kind of "evolution" argument for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx0pOGVMntM

>>41669257
>This works now, but it was impossible in caveman times.

Most population in the world right now is due to agricultural expansion mostly from the big rivers in asia/africa.
Neanderthal cavecucks went extinct.

>>41669246
>we need sugar to live
umm no, carbs are literally the only macro humans can function without, yes our body converts the food into glucose, which is a sugar, so we can use it as fuel, but saying we NEED to ingest sugar to live is just a flat out lie

>>41669130
those probably aren't even natural. You could be a more convincing retard. Try harder.

>blowing cigarette smoke in its face for an entire lifetim

What a jerk

>>41669048
Where are your claws?

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>>41669263

>Why vegans struggle to accept that humans are omnivores is beyond me.

I totally accept that most humans are omnivores. It's just that the word omnivore doesn't really mean anything useful. It's just a classification we use based on an animal's eating behavior. It doesn't indicate what the optimal diet is and says nothing about how well suited we are to each type of food we put in our mouths.

>>41669268
Yet, historically the biggest and strongest humans were nomads who ate mostly meat and dairy. Also, noblemen were larger than the peasants because they had access to meat. Also, neanderthals were physically more powerful than cro magnons, smarter, too. They were simply outbred.

>>41669270
So, yeah, way to miss the point again. Your body needs some amount of sugar, it doesn't matter if you eat it or your body converts it from something. The icecream example was stupid.

>>41669287
The "optimal" diet depends on lifestyle. In the case of /fit/ veganism is not even close to optimal.

>>41669299
I doubt the nomads thing and nobles had way better hygiene and access to food of course they were healthier. Physical power is not what evolution is about anon, it's survivial of the fittest not the strongest.

>>41669257
>we can't break down plant amino acids like, say, gorillas can
Factually incorrect. Amino acids are chemical compounds. "Plant" isoleucine is identical to "animal" isoleucine.
>You can't get a complete amino acid profile without eating eggs, meat, or dairy
Factually incorrect. The only incomplete protein in the world is gelatin which is animal sourced. Even bananas have a complete amino acid profile
>unless you mix and match different types of veggies.
Fallacious. You should "mix and match" a variety of foods in any diet.
>This works now, but it was impossible in caveman times.
Exactly! You are not a caveman! Please go vegan.
>>41669263
Name one physiological adaptation humans made to eat meat.
Name one nutrient found in meat that isn't found in plants.

>>41669261
Good lord that webm

>>41669233
>why eat 50 variety of plant for the same nutrient

Because it's less harmful for the environment and nobody is dying in the process.

>>41669303

It depends on goals really. If you're goal is health and longevity, your diet should be mostly plants.

>>41669273
Post your own canines since they are so good at eating cooked meat that has been cut into tiny bites with a a knife

Come on, post canines

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If we are not meant to eat meat? Why have we evolved to be the prime ultimate killing machine? Long endurance runners, brains capable of calculating and thinking in advance. Arm and leg strength to fuck shit up. Strong teeth to rip through flesh

My ancestors hunted on this land before me for thousands of years. And I will do so to, but instead of hunting, give me those JUICY GMO hormone injected beef slices

-

Anyone got any basic inforgraphs on how to become vegan without losing my TEST and upping estrogine? Cheers

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>>41669233

>If the deer eats the bird, you must acquit!

>>41669299
>be meatcuck
>go extinct
>b-b-but muh ...

Shut up.

>>41669326
Go wrestle a grizzly bear.

>>41668999
>8 pack
How do I get a torso like this?

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>>41669121
>You can't tear through flesh with your weak human jaw.

That's a relief.

>>41669334
Step 1 is being a sudanese.

>>41669261
>And here we see the apex predator in its natural habitat who hunts down prey and tears it with jaw and claw and eats it raw, without spicing it with vegetables

>>41669326
How will vegans ever recover?

>>41669171
chimps eat meat

>>41669326
Mostly to defend grain elevators from competing tribes.

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>>41669111
Testosterone and creatine famarino

>>41669059
Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

"There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

"Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

These next five are case studies:

Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

Severe megaloblastic anemia in child breast fed by a vegetarian mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

Consequences of exclusive breast-feeding in vegan mother newborn - case report:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

Nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan-diet mother:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

"We report the case of a 7 month-old girl that presented with acute anemia, generalized muscular hypotonia and failure to thrive. Laboratory evaluation revealed cobalamin deficiency, due to a vegan diet of the mother."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

>>41669343
I'm from the west indies, that's close enough.

>>41669366
And there's the retarded list anon who just tries to overwhelm and never replies afterwards. Gonna post your next 2 lists too?

>>41669261
Haha, #GotEm how will those idiots ever recover

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>>41669366
>b12 meme
yeah nice try

>>41669246
>processed sugar is the same as sugar found in fruits

WEW LAD

>>41669333
Go kill a grizzly bear with a weapon that our evolutionary evolved brain made us capable of creating, humans have always hunted with weapons.

>>41668999
cholesterol is the chemical precursor to testosterone

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>>41669326

We're good at things. Not sure why you're trying to tie that to eating meat. Some of the biggest, strongest animals in the world are herbivores. A rhino can fuck up a lion but it still eats grass. Hippos have the biggest canine teeth of any land animal and are one of the most dangerous creatures in Africa. They don't use it to eat meat, it just helps them not get eaten by other things. Humans are actually pretty shit physically in comparison.

>>41669380
>>41669388
Not an argument, stay anti science cucks

>>41669398

And estrogen

>when your meme backfires on you

>>41669402
thats an awful shoop

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I have viking blood in my veins. My ancestors have been eating goats and fucking goats for centuries. And you're telling me that it's unhealthy?

Can I actually have some links of sources to a vegan diet that doesn't fuck up with your testosterone levels?

Already on /nofap /coldshower /meditation /nordicgirlfriend might as well go /vegan to ASCEND

Also pic related, I cant grow facial hair, shall i start injecting TREN to reach true potential?

@41669415
>muh viking blood
Nice attentionwhoring chimpfaced faggot

>>41669415
Nice mustache.

>>41669415

>My ancestors have been eating goats and fucking goats for centuries. And you're telling me that it's unhealthy?

I don't know why people think anything their great great great grandpa did was absolutely perfect in every way. Apparently before science was a thing, everyone already knew everything.

>muh sentimentality

>>41669415
>viking blood
>that beard

im sorry lad

>>41669309
The Bulgars were horse-riding nomads and were 5'9 on average in a time where the average human was 5'5.

>>41669312
Pure lies. Only quinoa and soy provide a full amino acid set, while virtually every type of meat provides the complete chain.

>>41669320
Meh, a theoretical extra 5 years isn't worth it imo.

>>41669332
>modern humans don't eat meat
WEW LAD

>>41669415
>viking blood
>manlet

LOL YEA OK

>>41669420
Nice one newfag

>Attentionwhoring
You're on /fit/ you pleb, we all here are trying to reach our true potential. Post a pic

>>41669426
>>41669436
That is one week of not shaving, disgusting right, maybe low test

>>41669440
I'm 6'1 king of manlets

>>41668999

man these kind of threads never succeed on this retarted board. People on here are way to stupid and how do you espect them to change from a bad diet to a superior while they consume fucking protein powder on a daily basis.

>>41669439

>Pure lies. Only quinoa and soy provide a full amino acid set

Go on nutritiondata.self.com, look up any plant food, and try to find one that doesn't provide all essential amino acids. The incomplete protein thing is a myth that got way out of hand (probably because people were using it as an excuse to keep eating meat)

>>41669061

That's Lopez Lomong, a distance runner, not a sprinter. I raced him a few times in HS actually, really nice guy. He carried the US flag in the 2008 Olympics.

>>41669452
>retartet
>on here
>to
>espect

>>41669446
Check yourself for the Klinefelter syndrome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome#Signs_and_symptoms

>>41669464
Does he have a big cock?
No homo.

>>41669479
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome#Signs_and_symptoms

>Affected males are often infertile, or may have reduced fertility.

Got my girlfriend pregnant three times in 4 months, so I guess that rules that one off. As well as the fact I do have body hair. Already checked with my GP "Test levels are normal" I WANT MORE TEST

>>41669491
>Got my girlfriend pregnant three times in 4 months,
Are you retarded?

>>41668999
If you have no idea how cholesterol actually works, please don't try and make arguments about it.

Read up on LDL, HDL and how the body physiologically uses it, and the transport.

There's a lot of information and a lot of reasons why some things are worse than others. Broad, sweeping statements are utterly meaningless. Don't parrot shit from people with an agenda. Do your own research.

>>41669365
>Testosterone
False, all animals in the grocery store are either female or castrated male
>creatine
Unnecessary, your body makes it. If you want to supplement, 1 kg of meat has the same amount as one scoop of vegan creatine powder
>>41669366
>B12
1 cup soy milk 125% DV B12
>Iron
Lentils and beans, leafy greens
>>41669398
Your body makes enough, also >>41669406
>>41669439
>Only quinoa and soy provide a full amino acid set, while virtually every type of meat provides the complete chain.
Post source of ONE SINGLE plant food with a missing amino acid. Again, the only food with an incomplete amino acid profile is gelatin, which lacks tryptophan

>>41669491

> pregnant three times in 4 months

wut

>>41669495
You didn't even say anything with that post.

If I place a child in cage with an apple and a bunny, why would this kid eat the apple rather than tearing the bunbun apart with it's hands and teeth

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>>41669493
>>41669499

When I go to pull out, she stabs my asscheeks with her nails and pulls me in. Keeps telling me she wants to start a family young, I brush it off, she's probably messing around, she's only 18, there is no way anyone wants a baby that young

>>41669508
Yeah sure.

>>41669513
Nah you're right, i just can't pull out properly lol rubbers really do not get me off at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_LIY8cjf4

>>41669415
Muh ancestors

>>41669463
>>41669498
>vegans have now resorted to flat-out lies

kek

>>41669537

> flat-out lies

I take it you tried to find a plant food with missing amino acids and couldn't find any

>>41669206
the average life expectancy of the inuit is mid 50s and the leading cause of death is heart disease

LOL

>>41669548
the food with the most amino acids is lean meat, and this is a fact

>>41669556

Moving the goalposts

>>41669498
>females don't produce testosterone and males don't produce estrogen
I quit.

>>41669556
Wrong, the most amino acids per weight are in seitan which is vegan and lean.
>>41669567
>I eat bacon cheeseburger to increase my testosterone

>>41669556
>>41669587
sunflower seeds fuck both seitan and beef in the ass

>>41669587
No I eat one because they're fucking delicious. I just proved you wrong and you're either deflecting or this is b8 m8

>>41669619
Except meat eaters do not have higher testosterone, all you did was wave your dick on the keyboard

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>>41668999
>posts /fit/ person with absolutely no context, could be vegan could not be
>even if he was vegan would mean nothing cuz african genetics and individual examples can be found with anything
>quotes something from somewhere without giving the author
>quote gives conclusions while devoid of anything to back it up other than "smart people did it, trust us"
>quote itself makes very little towards argument other than a loose connection to cholesterol and high fat diets, which I guess you are implying has something to so with meat...
>but muh keys study

you're argument is shit you fucking moron

>>41669139
Lmao are you implying I can tell blacks apart?

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>>41668999
the whole hypoglycemic index, good/bad cholesterol that the vegans/vegetarians spout about is not entirely untrue.

But obviously they dont tell you the whole truth. The truth is that yes you can easily eat meat, and even moderate portions of high cholesterol things like eggs, and it WILL yield benefits to your testosterone...BUT..butt you need to lead a non sedentary life for that.

You see, you need to do cardio besides it, run a lot, be an athlete to consume those 4 eggs a day and to eat meat.

But if you do, there will be few downsides to eating meat. And many, plenty of upsides. The higher test being obviously one of the best things for it.

I had a run into this theory myself. I am a runner and weight lifter for 3 years, but had a running injury and been eating plenty of meat and cholesterol. But after 3 weeks or so when I couldnt run thanks to my injury, in the morning I could feel my finger tips be under pressure, a bit swollen, marks of high blood pressure. I go to a physio, get rid of the injury, start running again, and BAM, gone are these hypertension mornings.

If you wanted to you could also just not eat meat, that would also reduce the bad effects. But that would mean you would have to be a vegetarian faggot, and do you want to be a faggot? I would rather spend the extra time and run around, consult fisio people from time to time if I have to, and still eat meat and be healthy and be somekind of lazy sedentary vegan faggot nu male lol.

fun fact: in the western nations the sedentary rate is somewhere slightly above 50%

>>41669741
il bump myself as a samefag for my own intricate post since I think its pretty gud info, once.

>>41669063
Canines you complete fucking faggot

>>41669777
Read the thread responses

https://examine.com/nutrition/will-eating-eggs-increase-my-cholesterol

this link more or less is a complete and up to date truth to it all. I believe that in some people, somekind of chains or whatever can break up and can cause them to be hyperglycemic, or hypersensitive. Shit something like that. And the chance of that happening increases with age, but if it does not happen, then one can consume these things easily.

Also cardio increases the max rate of the total threshold of some of these things.

>>41668999

"https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/06-chapter-1/d1-2.asp

Cholesterol. Previously, the Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommended that cholesterol intake be limited to no more than 300 mg/day. The 2015 DGAC will not bring forward this recommendation because available evidence shows no appreciable relationship between consumption of dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol, consistent with the conclusions of the AHA/ACC report.2 35 Cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern for overconsumption."

Since 2015, the American Dietary Guidelines have accepted through proof and evidence of countless studies that Cholesterol as consumed through food products does jack-shit to blood cholesterol levels. Saturated and Trans fats cause an increase, it just so happens that cholesterol is high in foods with those types of fat. Eggs are perfectly safe.

>>41669826
the mythical hyperresponder

https://examine.com/topics/hyperresponder

Vegans please keep your no-gains cult to yourselves, and especially away from pets and children. Thanks.

>>41668999
>eating shitload of disgusting hamburger meat + other shitty diet choices and sedentary lifestyle (99% of western people) causes diseases
Wow !

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>>41669844
>be anon in this thread who posted most links and tl;dr
>have a good non sedentary lifestyle, run a lot, have resting heart rate below 50 even
>eat 4 eggs a day, eat meat
>also eat veggies, nearly everything perfect, pretty much zero cheat days, clean food all the way
>been doing this for over 2 years now
>hair on arms is black and long
>chest hair more and more popping up
>probably a bunch of other anti fag bodily things happening
>while the nu males and the alt lite nu males complain whether or not they should eat meat and burgers while they sit on their ass, or should be damage controlling and only eating faggot grass while they sit on their ass

whew

feels good being the master race

>>41669346
>also goes to space quite frequently
humans are the exception. why be mad at this fact.

Just a bit of anectodal evidence, my GF is sedentary (lifts a bit with me sometimes but rarely and not much really), eats eggs often, meat and diary sometimes, had her blood checked recently, her glycemic and cholesterol levels are perfect, the doctor was kind of amazed.

So IMO, you should monitor yourself so as to be sure your diet is actually working for you, not just in theory.

>>41669941
I am jelly of such good genetics in a gf, you should maed lots of babies with her. Though most likely its not a miracle, its just that from the other end, she also does not go into extreme veganism retardation, and/or junkfood. Sugar especially is also a leading cause for many of these problems. So technically speaking, if she were to eat mostly complex carbs, while also avoiding sugars and also artificial sweeteners, then even with sedentary lifestyle one could eat meat relatively easily.

Shit, did you know that most sugar replacements are chlorite garbage that kill your good gut bacteria and then since they are linked in weird and faggot ways with your body it also is one of the causes for the problems we experience today?

http://pastebin.com/f54AG18Q

but yea, the cholesterol processing chain or process of the body can randomly break down, or perhaps triggered by something in the environment. But if it doesnt break down one can enjoy the feasting of the meat easily with no negatives at all.

>>41669965
oh and to add, running, or not leading a sedentary lifestyle does increase the upper limit of feasting upon cholesterol things. Because I believe that even at some point if you eat those things, there will still be insulin issues that may arise, fug I kinda forgot.

>>41669321
Fuck off, pervert.

>>41669965
Oh yeah, we definitely eat clean food.
But I had to teach her that, her foster parents are basically waiting to die from diabetes, lung cancer or a heart attack.

My dad comes from a dirt poor background (he was amongst the poorest in a third world country and actually slept on dirt), so all his life has eaten "poor man's food" meaning plenty of vegetables, grains, legumes, fruits and some meat and fish here and there (consistently but not nearly as much as most people in the first world), everything cooked by ourselves, nothing processed.
My whole family has eaten like this forever and incidentally we all have basically perfect blood tests anytime we do one. I'm glad my GF has finally gotten on our level, even more so given the fact that she comes from a shit background.
So for us what as really worked so far is a plant based diet nicely complemented by animal products, and spices, all dem spices.

As for the babies, she doesn't want any, her messed up background makes her unwilling to give the "gift" of life.

Anyway, I wish you all the best, we're all going to make it.

>>41670069
Isnt it kinda funny though? By default the poor ones actually become the healthy ones. Though the poor in the US with their EBT are the opposite of that.

Still though, most good things in life are cheap and sometimes even free if you can protect them and the vile jew.

Also you should maed babies, chances are the genetics of most of the ones living are now so messed up that they are past the point of being saved. 60% obesity/overweightness is a huge thing, especially when you consider that only 5% of those who even attempt to lose weight will lose it. The west has eaten its genetics into a slow death. They messed up a very delicate balance of the internal hormones and how they respond to the world, probably irreparable. It took me just 3 years for my own hormones to get to a normal level again and I stopped before the sugar replacements meme, gut is still mostly whole. But these people, jesus. A normal person who look at the world would say that everything is fine, but anyone even with a slight sense of all of this science and lore will probably want to get shitfaced drunk to get this fatopocalypse out of his mind.

>>41670094
>ven free if you can protect them and the vile jew.
shit messed that up
>if you can protect them from the vile jew
fixed, sage

>>41669015
This is like someone bragging they just chain smoked 5 cigs, after someone posted about lung cancer and smoking. You are not cool and edgy, your actions have consequences, and every bite you are one step closer to a premature death. I doubt you will be laughing when all of the sudden you feel tightness in your chest, arms, back and your vision fades away into nothing.

>>41668999

Trips don't lie.

I like how most meat eaters are ignorant 'muricans, LEL. Most of them are stupid and think climate change is a hoax, so of course they choose selfish food choices over the entirety of the environment, all of its inhabitants, including ourselves and the future ability of all species to survive, because > muh meat is so much more important than all of those selfless decisions to give up meat and dairy.

>>41668999
>In 1913 Russian Pathologist
into the trash it goes

I was considering adopting a vegan lifestyle but you people are assholes that I'd hate to be associated with. Hell, I'd be vegetarian at best because I don't actually give a shit about animals, just want some low calorie alternatives to meat.

>>41670578
When you start eating only meat your hormone will be so well regulated that you won't need to reach satiety through stomach busting low calories useless food .

>>41671010
And your gut will revert back to it's original and optimal low size anyway .
I'm LMAOING at people ingesting more than 1 total kg of food a day

>>41668999
thanks OP I will eat eggs and cheese instead of meat from now on

>>41670578

Who gives a shit about you, retard

The OP is just posting facts. Most of this thread is just facts regarding animal products and vegetarianism. The fact that this somehow hurts your fee fees speaks more to the fact that you're a mongoloid

Eat all the fucking meat you want, it doesn't change the fact that meat eaters have higher mortality rates than non meat eaters

>>41668999

Daily reminder high carb, low fat, medium protein is preferable for body composition, health and performance.


>b-but muh keto

Bullfucking shit, even on SEDENTARY OVERWEIGHT people keto is INFERIOR for body recomposition and health.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence


>b-but carbs make you fat

No, fat intake is literally stored directly and used SECOND.
Carbs are used for energy first and then stored if taken in excess SECOND.

Guess which is worse for ANYTHING except maybe extreme long distance running.

A lot of marathon runners eat a lot of fat and lower carb than regular athletes, and they all have shit muscle and have quite a bit of fat stored.
Sprinters overwhelmingly eat lots of carbs and low fat to maximize muscle mass and performance and diminuish fat weight.

>>41669495

Cholestrol regardless of LDL or HDL are bad and unecessary in consumption since your body produces it already.

>>41669415

Your ancestors were farmers and made the adaptation to eating mainly carbs you fucking imbecile.

>>41671244
How do I get marbled meat in my legs?

>>41669828

What about the fact that cholestrol in humans increases when their cholestrol intake goes up, and it's not proportional to base intake, meaning that if you already eat some cholestrol, and you double your intake, your blood cholestrol will not increase nearly as much, but it will still go up.

Also, that statement you quoted is based on the findings of averages, each individual having a different cholestrol baseline, thus making the whole study useless.

Truth is, eating cholestrol, even one single fucking egg a day increases your cholestrol dramatically.
Look at the healthiest populations in the world, okinawa, sardinia.

>>41671244

>This bold theory, however, is at odds with much meta-bolic data collected over the preceding decades, and is not sup-ported by specic new data. For instance, isocaloric overfeed-ing results in weight gain whether fat or CHO is consumed[9]. Despite much discussion and theoretical debate, followed by screening for outstanding credentialed experimentalists, a series of rigorous experiments was commissioned by proponents, in-cluding Taubes, the cofounder of Nutritional Science Initiative (NuSI), and cosponsored by the National Institutes of Health. In a highly-controlled metabolic ward study, Hall and
2coworkers[10] randomly assigned 19 obese female and male sub-jects to either a diet with a 30% calorie restriction in CHO or a diet with 30% calorie restriction in fat. Participants were ex-posed to these two diets separated by a wash-out period in a cross-over fashion; RQ, body composition, rates of metabolism, fat oxidation and fat loss were measured along with insulin and other hormones. Despite a decrease in insulin levels associat-ed with the low-CHO diet, there was no corresponding rise in weight loss. Specically, during the low-CHO diet period, there was an average loss of ~245 g body fat, compared to a higher average loss of body fat, ~463 g, during the low-fat diet period.


Will low carb fags ever recover from this?

>>41669063
>canines
>digestive enzymes for high levels of protein
>lack of cellulase that would allow us to digest large amounts of fiber
>a midlength digestive tract/single stomach indicating omnivore
Literally take a bio class you meme lord

>>41669048

Lmao, we also adapted to eating starch, doesn't mean we actually need it.
And yeah we adapted to eating meat, but we didn't adapt to eating raw meat.

We are literally frugivores, not omnivores, because we can develop cardiovascular diseases from animal fat intake, unlike actual omnivores and carnivores.
We also cannot synthesize vitamin C, just like frugivores and herbivores, since we - our ancestors- used to eat so many vitamin C rich foods.

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>>41671396

>dem canines tho

>>41671409
>posting someone who's had dental work
0/10

>>41671409
You realize chimps are omnivores? The fuck is a frugivore

>>41671456

goats can also eat meat and not die, doesn't make them omnivores, just like how lions can eat grass and not die.

Chimps' diet is over 96% plant based, they only insects and very rarely other apes or monkeys when starving, and it's not healthy for them.

>>41671466
1/10 I responded

>>41671456

And btw a frugivore is an animal that eats mainly nuts or fruits and that is kinda in between a herbivore and an omnivore, adapted to eat meat and not die, merely due to absolute necessity throughout seasonal availability of foods or scarce presence of them.

>>41671516
>making up new words to support your "agenda"
Sounds like omnivourousness to me pal

>>41671534

No, cause omnivores can synthesize vitamin C, we can't, just like frugivores and herbivores.
In fact we can't synthesize a lot of vitamins found in plants/fruits and bacteria, omnivores and carnivores can.

>>41671575
We also can't synthesize creatine, vitamin b12, or omega fats. Your point?

>>41671610
>We also can't synthesize creatine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine#Biosynthesis
Creatine is not an essential nutrient[8] as it is naturally produced in the human body

>>41669062
Everything kills you nowadays, might as well eat the best tasting death

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>>41671409
>cherrypicking: the chart
Chimps don't eat bread, or anything processed, either. Go ahead, go live off raw vegetables and fruit for a year, we'll see your amazing body by then, you freelee-ass looking motherfucker

>>41671610

My point being that creatine is unecessary for human health and neither does any animal synthesize vitamin b12, since it's produced by bacteria mainly found in untreated fresh water or soil.

Omega fats are found in plants man.

Cattle need to be injected with vitamin B12 in order to not die if they are being given treated water.

>>41668999
>"In 1913 Russian Pathologist Nikolai N. Anichkov
The Ruskies really had things figured out back then.

>Executive Director, Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute concluded that atherosclerosis had a single cause - cholesterol.
You can't apply for a job at Baylor unless you provide them with a statement affirming your values are compatible with their Christian faith.

> "1) Atherosclerosis is easily produced experimentally in herbivores
Humans are not herbivores.

>2) Atherosclerotic plaques contain cholesterol. 3) Societies with high average cholesterol levels have higher event rates (heart attacks, etc.) than societies with much lower average cholesterol levels.
That's serum cholesterol, not dietary cholesterol. We don't have good statistics that indicate these are linked, and the levels in your blood might have much more to do with liver function.

4) When serum cholesterol levels (especially the low-density lipoprotein cholesterol [LDL-C] level) are lowered (most readily, of course, by statin drugs),
But if you control for who is taking the statin drugs, the correlation between even serum cholesterol and cardiac events is zero, i.e. the drugs have some other effect that we don't understand.

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>>41671651

>chimps don't eat bread

neither did humans untill they adapted to eating starch since the early neolithic in the agriculural revolution.
humans are unique in this regard

>go ahead and go live off raw veg and fruits for a year, we'll see your amazing body by then

lmao, are you angry or something?

humans don't produce all of their own amino acids due to always having eaten a lot of them from since the early homo genus, so they still need a protein source, it can be plant or animal based, doesn't really matter.

pic related, me on a vegan diet, mainly eating legumes and fruit and nuts.

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>>41669261

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>>41669402
>Hippos have the biggest canine teeth
They're not teeth.

>>41671624
but would you rather have a bit less taste and live up to 90, while being to walk, ride a bike, and being able to put your feet in your neck? (my grandfather)

Or die at 70, finally because you were having daily pains, trouble walking short distances, short breath, not even being able to walk to the supermarket to check the asses of young girls.

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>>41671723
kek, you must be the envy of everyone in your gym

>>41671723
lol

>>41671767

Idk man, I am pretty strong for my weight.
I'm not even saying being vegan is better for gains, it is at the very least almost as good though.

Regardless, going high carb is better than low carb, like the OP implied.

>Stop eating what made humans evolve and allowed us to get bigger brains

>>41671794

>lions are smarter than chimps/gorillas

woaah

>>41669048
>billions of years

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>>41668999
I too am jungle baby
I too must rape

>>41669223
Pretty much every mammal is an opportunistic carnivore, idiot. Cows, pigs, and deer will eat meat if they find it.

>>41668999
Wow! A scientific report from tsarist Russia. Really makes me think.

>>41668999
>purified cholesterol

>>41668999
why wasn't this done on pigs?

>>41669287
It is commonly accepted scientific knowledge that has been published in multiple peer reviewed journals that Homo Sapiens were only able to evolve into large brained mammals because our ancestors began consuming cooked meat.

https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v531/n7595/full/nature16990.html
Another article

"You can't have a large brain and big guts at the same time," explains Leslie Aiello, an anthropologist and director of the Wenner-Gren Foundation in New York City, which funds research on evolution. Digestion, she says, was the energy-hog of our primate ancestor's body. The brain was the poor stepsister who got the leftovers.

Until, that is, we discovered meat.

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>>41671869

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

>>41669867
How is puberty treating you, anon? Have your first wet dream yet? Stay strong, 9th grade is hard.

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>friend gets cucked into veganism by his girl
>frequently posts shit like 'milk is blood!' on social media
>brings his own meals whenever the guys meet up
>meanwhile, this fucker is getting fat
>i mean hiding yourself in oversized clothing in 20c weather fat
>hufflepuffing his way everywhere we go, struggling to keep up
I think he confused veganism with cakeism or something, goddamn
>mfw he shows up with his tiny fucking tupperware with beansaladfuckery
you're not fooling anyone cookie monster

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>>41670374
I'd love to just headbutt your vegan yurotrash twink face into hamburger meat for making a shitpost of that caliber.

>>41669233
young bucks looking for sick gainz

>>41671951

How do you even get fat as a vegan, you literally have to force feed yourself vegan pizzas and potato chips for that jesus christ.

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>>41668999
Cholesterol is a necessary steroid for use with the cell membranes and other metabolic faculties. Stop eating meat? No way. Stop eating an overabundant amount? Yes, unless you want blood pressure issues or atherosclerosis

>>41672119

Your body never runs out of cholestrol though.

>>41669062
To be fair vegans may get heart disease to but until one lives past the age of forty it will difficult to get an adequate sample size to tell.

>>41669063
Adaptive reasoning
Abstract thought
Body heat regulation
Hand eye coordination
Opposable thumbs
Front facing eyes
Pattern recognition
Incisors, and bicuspids
Intestinal flora for breaking down animal proteins
Shortened intestinal tracts
Highly advanced immune systems for protecting against animal based bacteria

>>41669111
>I said adaptation TO eat meat.
plants don't run away
All predatory species have to be more intelligent than their prey and all of the smartest species on the planet are either carnivores or large enough to be at the top of the food chain anyway.
Human society started out as groups of prehistoric humans banding together to take down larger prey and developing a culture along the way.

>>41669333
Why? Grizzlies don't taste good.
>>41669402
>Some of the biggest, strongest animals in the world are herbivores.
And humans eat them

>>41668999
>>41668999
>TLDR
>crazy Russian Scientist from WWI decided to feed Rabbits a diet of egg yolks and fat...
I doubt he let them eat their natural diet at this time, and they were caged, so they weren't physically active.
>imagine if you locked a human in a cage, and fed them butter and eggs every day...
>OH MUH GOD! HE'S HAVING HEART PROBLEMS!
>*what a pioneer* *so science* *much discovery*

OP is also a faggot.

>>41669130
Those are veneers idiot, have you never someone who clearly didn't have braces and have fangs, our incisors are naturally meant to jut out.

>>41671409
>Lions omnivores
>Chimps not omnivores
Why are you lying?

>>41672477
smaller jaws
larger brains

>>41672025
>How do you even get fat as a vegan
Carbs, sugars, fats
Pretty much every food that is super calorie dense is vegan.

>>41668999
Yup, I should just eat vegetables so I can be a fucking salad vampire with unnatural life.

Evry tme I see a vegan post I up my meat intake.

Congrats on killing another animal.

Plus, if you own a cat or dog you can't be a vegan. Because either you're feeding them properly and giving them animal protein or you're not giving them animal protein and abusing them.

>>41669828

That's from the advisory committee report, not from the USDA. The USDA recommends eating as little dietary cholesterol as possible.

https://www.choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-answers-your-questions

>>41669388
>my only argument is that I have no argument
get double cucked, veganfag

>>41669626
Meat eaters don't have higher test, but they have higher TOTAL test (aka the only test that matters). Plus, the difference in testosterone between the two diets is actually fucking miniscule. The only noticeable difference between the diets is that vegans are usually ignorant assholes and meat eaters are usually stupid/closed minded. Everything else is consistent between the two.

>>41671751
You had me at young girls, where do I begin?

>>41669048
People have been sustaining from mostly grains for the past few thousands of years. It gave the most energy and produced the most amount of food for the land used. Carbs are the absolute best source of energy for the human body.

Only rich people ate meat because cattle took away from easily available food for humans to produce less food in the form of meat. It's literally the most wasteful thing you can do.

>>41669235
LA Beast ate a bunch if lightbulbs and was able to digest them.

We can digest lightbulbs. This means we were meant to eat lightbulbs.

>>41671244
SAVAGE

>>41671456
Chimps are frugivors

>>41671767
post pic faggot

>>41671887
gets posted all the time always ignored because veg cucks cant defend themselves.

>>41669506
Because we are omnivorous, as well as subject to the laws of conservation of energy. A child will go for the easiest food that he or she recognizes as food. Depending on how old the child is, and what they are exposed to in food options up to that point. The child whose parents haven't slaughtered a bunny and feed them the meat as a meal won't recognize the bunny as the source of the meat, but does recognize the apple. However, put a kid in that cage that does know how to hunt and slaughter, and you're likely to see something gruesome.

There's also the cute factor, the technical term for which, I forget. Basically, it causes us to see creatures with eyes larger in size relative to their heads and less muscular-appearing frames in similar ways to how we see children, which is why you get pets that serve no appreciable purpose in modern times. It's an effect of our developed sense of empathy.

>>41673477
>>41673477

Not even related to the post you replied to.

>It is commonly accepted scientific knowledge

It's a hypothesis. If it were true, it wouldn't be an argument for anything. More calories = more successful species, whether that was thanks to meat, or cooked starches https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26591850

Of course brain size itself doesn't determine intelligence. Peoples' brains are getting smaller now and we're more intelligent than we were thousands of years ago.

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking

>>41673647
You didnt refute anything said in the paper tried to invalidate the argument by attacking the 4chan posters sentence and then linked a discover magazine article about shrinking brains.... We are comparing chimp brains to human brains not human brains to human brains you fucking veg cuck

>they don't live exclusively on ocean shellfish and small fish that they spear themselves
Must suck being an amino acidlet

>>41673717

>You didnt refute anything said in the paper

There's nothing to refute, it's a hypothesis that the paper explores by determining that cooking meat and cutting it into smaller pieces conserves energy when chewing. I didn't attack his sentence, I made his wording more accurate because it's important to the conversation.

>>41673518

> The child whose parents haven't slaughtered a bunny and feed them the meat as a meal won't recognize the bunny as the source of the mea
> However, put a kid in that cage that does know how to hunt and slaughter, and you're likely to see something gruesome.

So you're saying people have to be taught to be kill animals, it's not instinctual

>>41668999
>and produced the same lesions that had been seen in the arteries of humans on autopsy
This is wrong. Experimentally induced rabbit atheroma has many qualitative and quantitative differences from human ones. For example, they lack early intimal hyperplasia and accumulate different types of lipoproteins.

https://academic.oup.com/cardiovascres/article-lookup/doi/10.1093/cvr/cvn099
http://www.jlr.org/content/53/1/51

Atherosclerosis can also be reduced to essentially control levels despite an insanely high serum cholesterol of 1.2g/dL by simply increasing the rabbit's magnesium intake, which is typically deficient on laboratory diets

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/10/5/732.long

>>41673812
Fucking gravity is a hypothesis you twat. There are tons of papers with the same exact hypothesis because its the only explanation as to the energy and time surplus allowing our evolution and evolutionary success.

>>41668999
>Indeed, atherosclerosis is one of the easiest diseases to produce experimentally, but the recipient must be an herbivore. It is not possible to produce atherosclerosis in carnivores (tigers, lions, dogs, etc.).
Demonstrably false. Some omnivorous animals such as pigeons and pigs are even more human-like in atherosclerosis pathophysiology but aren’t used much because they are more expensive and harder to keep in captivity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21468891
https://www.intechopen.com/books/atherogenesis/spontaneous-atherosclerosis-in-pigeons-a-good-model-of-human-disease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2013639/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1911452/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-185X.1964.tb01163.x/full
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1965.tb49433.x/full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9389784/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4634814
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4161799
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/167808
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13547383
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0021915072900214
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021997505801264
http://www.nzg.ac.za/research/forms/wdi_eagle.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(62)90180-0/fulltext

>>41668999
All vegan lifters look like shit, so no thanks.

>>41668999
>it is not possible to produce atherosclerosis simply by raising a rabbit's blood pressure or blowing cigarette smoke in its face for an entire lifetime
That’s due to rabbits not living long enough for this mild degree of endothelial damage to have a cumulative effect. On the other hand, more traumatic injury is fully capable of lowering the atherogenic threshold to normocholesterolemic levels

https://books.google.com/books?id=xnvdBwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA101&ots=qYMS7uce-h&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=0S_IAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA116&pg=PA116#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4127635
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0021915073901032
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1123916
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=5321754404694318292&hl=en&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5

In longer living species, such as primates, simple elevation of glucocorticoid and catecholamine from life-long psychosocial stress can lead to atherosclerotic lesion development

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6836311

Similarly, rabbit cholesterol is elevated to extreme levels - >800mg/dL - above even human homozygous familial hypercholesterolemia where heart attacks occur in childhood so disease can be studied before death from old age. In humans atherosclerosis and myocardial infarction are possible with lifelong low cholesterol (53mg/dL LDL-C) due to genetics provided there are other factors like obesity, hypertension, and smoking.
Meanwhile non-human wild great apes (the best animal model) have LDL-C ~118mg/dL and are free of atherosclerosis

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa054013
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17319127

>>41673892

>Fucking gravity is a hypothesis you twat

To put them on the same level for the sake of an argument is just desperation. Even if we take it as true, it means nothing in this conversation, just another red herring to backpedal from any point that gets raised.

>>41668999
>Societies with high average cholesterol levels have higher event rates (heart attacks, etc.) than societies with much lower average cholesterol levels.
Fails to explain societies and experimental animals with lower cholesterol that still experience high ASVD burden. E.g. for the ladder

http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/25898.pdf
>Despite these often overlooked limitations of extrapolating mouse studies to the human disease, research using transgenic mice has enhanced the concept that atherosclerosis is not a simple lipid disorder. New atherogenic theories must be explored to explain the occurrence of atherosclerotic heart disease in individuals displaying no dyslipidemia. Most of the more than twenty unique quantitative trait loci (QTL) identified in mice (Smith et al., 2006) do not influence plasma lipid levels or blood pressure (Allayee et al., 2003; Colinayo et al., 2003). This finding has been especially interesting because these QTL were identified in hypothesis-driven experiments exploring cholesterol metabolism in LDLR and/or apoE knockout mice. Many of these studies have demonstrated the strong genetic influence in the arterial wall on the susceptible and resistant phenotypic differences between mouse strains (Lusis et al., 2004). For example the major mouse QTL, Ath29 on chromosome 9, in the BXH ApoE(-/-) cross fed a chow diet was associated with early lesion development but not with risk factors including circulating lipids (Wang et al., 2007).

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/26/2/242.full
>There is no correlation between the degree of response of plasma lipids to the diet and the extent of atherosclerosis sensitivity in different strains of wild-type mice. In fact, some quite atherosclerosis resistant strains actually have significantly higher non-HDL cholesterol levels in response to this diet than does the C57BL/6 mouse.

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/102/1/5
http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/86/10/1013

>>41668999
>Although most humans consider themselves carnivores or at least omnivores, basically we humans have characteristics of herbivores"
Taxonomists evidently agree with most humans. We have many features of omnivores, like a vestigial cecum and lack of microbiotal taxa that synthesize the active vitamer of b12.

https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v531/n7592_supp/full/531S12a.html
>The micronutrients in meat have become an essential part of our diet over millennia. A few years ago, archaeologists in Tanzania unearthed fragments of a child’s skull dating back 1.5million years. Deformities on the bones suggested that the child had died from porotic hyperostosis, a condition thought to result from a deficiency in vitamin B12 — found exclusively in animal-derived foods. Humans started eating dairy products only in the past 5,000years, meaning that the child had almost certainly died from a lack of meat7. So, by at least 1.5million years ago, says Domínguez-Rodrigo, humans had become so adapted to eating meat that without it they would die.

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>>41673989
>>41673966
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>>41673884
this guy

>>41673989
B12 is from soil bacteria.

>>41671409
This is so wrong it's not even wrong.

https://veganbiologist.com/2016/01/04/humans-are-not-herbivores/
https://warosu.org/sci/thread/S8716192#p8718046

And let's not forget that protoprimates were purely CARNIVOROUS/INSECTIVOROUS. Just look at Tarsiers.

>>41668999

i hope this 3ads are a fucking troll because this will never help someone to transition or even take in consideration the idea of doing that.

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>>41669267
thanks for the vid, made me think

>>41674037
They can synthesize B12, however they also synthesize B12 analogues that act as competitive antagonists to B12. It's never been empirically demonstrated as a reliable source.

>>41673647
Consumption of cooked starch really doesn't align temporally with brain expansion

https://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intestine-length-ratio

And calories are a factor, yes, but what about carninutrients like LCPUFA and creatine

http://releases.jhu.edu/2010/06/09/crocodile-and-hippopotamus-served-as-brain-food-for-early-human-ancestors/
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/H07-034
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1552526007006280
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004724841000223X

>Of course brain size itself doesn't determine intelligence.
It undeniably accounts for some intraspecies variation

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289604001357

>Peoples' brains are getting smaller now and we're more intelligent than we were thousands of years ago.
That's an ecological correlation. Poorer diet quality, overweight/obesity and sedentarism are known to cause brain atrophy and can easily explain it. Gains seen on cognitive batteries don't really translate to increased intelligence either

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289613000226

>>41670578
>you people are assholes that I'd hate to be associated with
The stereotypical vegan may be retarded, but so is the stereotypical lifter. And yet here we are

>>41669059
Lamb isn't baby sheep you cocksucking retard, it's a smaller sheep.

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>>41669048
>billions of years
try getting this animal to not eat meat! SAD

>>41669316
Aside from the billions of insects and animals endemic to the small regions that you faggots want your kale and coffee grown. Yeah outside of that you're not killing anything. You should stop breathing on the chance you swallow a bug.

>>41668999
>stop eating meat
no

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>only herbivores get artherosclerosis

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20356776?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

I hate you morons who parrot something because a physician, not a real scientist, who has an agenda to push told you le ebin meat eatrz Btfo

>>41674746
how are you this retarded

>>41671751
>Live to see this world further go to shit
Lol no thanks I'd rather eat meat, die young, and leave a fit corpse.

>lets inject a supra dose of something in small animals
>this proves that the thing is bad even though every healthy thing becomes unhealthy in excess

And that's how fraudulent science works. Same process that killed thousands of women in the early 00's because they thought estrogen cured breast cancer.

>>41668999
>wasting perfectly good trips on THIS bullshit
Listen faggot, I'm 52 years old and have eaten meat more or less every day my entire life, my LDLs are low, my HDLs are high, I have no problems with my arteries or heart, I'm an endurance athlete, my bodyfat hovers around the 10% mark all year around, and I'm disgustingly healthy. Your vegetarian nonsense is just that: NONSENSE.

Go back to /b/.

>>41669393
The only difference is glycemic index and the presence of fiber. So, no fucking difference.

>>41679142
and antiglycative/antioxidative phytonutrients

>>41669094
low tier bait. Its carnassials that are the meat shearing teeth. Woops we have molars

>>41671723
Absolutely disgusting back pose. You look fucking weak with your thoracic spine so flexed and your shoulders so pronated.

Selk'nam basically ate nothing but meat, though ironically the reason they're not arouund anymore is because they began to hunt sheep, too.